Do you think Martha Hart realizes?

[St. Jimmy]

That the only person she is "fucking over" holding on to Owen's likeness rights and such is the fans? No DVD, No Video Games, No commemoration shirt. It's fucking stupid, your husband has a legacy and all of the royalties go to you and his kids. Shut the fuck up and sign the paperwork.

[Xero]

WWE would still be making a profit on them.

[St. Jimmy]

So? Let's see: Massive corporation makes a profit on my husbands legacy but I get tons of money, more than enough to send my kids to college, and tons of fans get to enjoy all of the hard work my husband put into the business he loved.

OR

I get to look like a bitter shrew and struggle financially in my later years disappointing my kids.

[St. Jimmy]

TOUGH CHOICES on the head of Martha Hart.

[Xero]

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I can certainly see her side. Let's say a family member of yours was killed and you believed it was XYZ company's fault. Would you want that company profiting off your loved one in any way?

It should not be about the fans. It should be about her family. And if she decided to do this, I can totally understand it.

[St. Jimmy]

In the situation where my loved one absolutely adored the business they were in and it would benefit my family financially, yes. Blame is blame, fine. As long as the company admitted they were accountable for what was an ACCIDENT then what more gripe could I have? If they're a day late with my checks however, that's a paddlin'.

[Xero]

Did WWE ever admit they were accountable? I've always heard the blame heavily mitigated to the harness company. Which is more along the lines of the absolute truth, but still, I don't think WWE admitted to being "accountable".

[St. Jimmy]

Vince has said in interviews that he not only wishes Owen had never been up there, but that he admits being responsible because it happened under his watch. He never stood on a podium and said "I murdered Owen Hart" like Martha wants, no, but he did accept the amount of responsibility and accountability he should have.

[whiteyford]

I thought she got a multi-million dollar settlement from it all?

[Battlekat]

As much as I would love an Owen dvd, I can't really blame her at all. I wouldn't want WWE profiting from his image either.

[Innovator]

Last time she spoke out was when Bret had the shirt with him and Owen on it.

[Sonofanarchy]

She seemed to hate the business and wanted him out ASAP...


her poor kids come from one of the biggest wrestling family's of all time and because of their mom they're shielded from knowing how big there dad and uncles were. I'm sure they talk to cousins and know more then martha wants them to know.

But I did read her say she wanted her kids to grow up knowing who Owen Hart the man was, not the Owen "King of Harts" Hart (rocket, black-heart)

like they dont go on youtube and look him up...

[Seth82]

Owen shoulda just left with Bret for WCW

and maybe he'd still be alive today

[Hanso Amore]

To be fair, I think the fans are the last fucking thing she should or does care about.

I know its fun to play armchair booker, but maybe you shouldnt try to play Arm Chair Widow to a Husband that died in front of 20 thousand people doing something he never should have.

[Hanso Amore]

So? Let's see: Massive corporation makes a profit on my husbands legacy but I get tons of money, more than enough to send my kids to college, and tons of fans get to enjoy all of the hard work my husband put into the business he loved.

OR

I get to look like a bitter shrew and struggle financially in my later years disappointing my kids.

Yeah, Im sure she would love cashing the blood money check.

[FourFifty]

I don't think that the "fans" are the only one being "fucked" in this area.
What about her kids? Does it suck that their dad is dead? Yea. It's sad. He's loved and missed by millions of people world wide. However, Martha can make some bank on this if she'll allow it. She lets them put out Owen action figures, Owen shirts, Owen video games, Owen dvds, Owen cock rings, etc, and she gets a cut from it, puts her kids and grandkids in college. She already has enough cash so her grandkids can flunk out of law school 3 or 4 times? Fine. She can set up a chairty for something Owen loved funded by the sales of Owen Hart's image.

Listen, if the company I work for kills me that would suck, however I would rather let that compnay use my face for a good cause or to help my family. When life shits on you, use it as fertilizer to grow something wonderful.

[Hanso Amore]

I think its more selfish for the fans to expect her to have to look at T Shirts, Games, Videos, DVDs etc reminding her on a daily basis of her dead husband.

She and her kids lost more than the fans did, yet here you are acting like the fans are victims.

[St. Jimmy]

Accidents happen, apologies were said, what else does she want?

"I want my husband back".

Vince McMahon is a lot of things, but a Necromancer or a Time Lord he ain't.

[St. Jimmy]

I don't think that the "fans" are the only one being "fucked" in this area.
What about her kids? Does it suck that their dad is dead? Yea. It's sad. He's loved and missed by millions of people world wide. However, Martha can make some bank on this if she'll allow it. She lets them put out Owen action figures, Owen shirts, Owen video games, Owen dvds, Owen cock rings, etc, and she gets a cut from it, puts her kids and grandkids in college. She already has enough cash so her grandkids can flunk out of law school 3 or 4 times? Fine. She can set up a chairty for something Owen loved funded by the sales of Owen Hart's image.

Listen, if the company I work for kills me that would suck, however I would rather let that compnay use my face for a good cause or to help my family. When life shits on you, use it as fertilizer to grow something wonderful.

I... agree with you... oh god.

:|

[El Fangel]

I....agree.......with........(Jesus this is like Jim Carry in Liar Liar here trying to write the pen is "red")

St.......Jimmy.....

[Aguakate]

Owen cock rings


...That would be inappropiate, I think :shifty:

[Punker]

Good points in here but also:

I'm pretty sure Oje and Athena probably have enough money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives, even if they're not millionaires. the Owen Hart Foundation exists and does alot of good in Owen's name without profiting off his wrestling career and just off the fact that we was an amazing human being.

..with that said I must say that I would like to see Martha eventually ease up a bit and maybe at least allow a posthumous induction of Owen by Bret into the WWE Hall of Fame so at least the fans and myself (being an Owen fan growing up) could have a little closure as far as his wrestling career goes.

Over the Edge 99 was the last PPV I bought, to this day. RIP Owen.

[CSL]

To be fair, I think the fans are the last fucking thing she should or does care about.

I know its fun to play armchair booker, but maybe you shouldnt try to play Arm Chair Widow to a Husband that died in front of 20 thousand people doing something he never should have.

this a hundred times over. She has every right to be bitter until the day she dies if she so chooses. Some WWE Owen related stuff would be great but there are things in life and the lives of others more important than my DVD collection

[captaincharismark]

I think its more selfish for the fans to expect her to have to look at T Shirts, Games, Videos, DVDs etc reminding her on a daily basis of her dead husband.

She and her kids lost more than the fans did, yet here you are acting like the fans are victims.

WWE was clearly as accountable as the harness company who made that contraption. However, Martha being bitter and selfish benefits no one. I can understand her not wanting WWE to profit off his premature demise, but to never allow him to be used in any retrospective is an insult to the career he died to build. And also to all of Owen's fans worldwide who would wanna see him in the HOF, DVD's or video games.

She has every right to be bitter with WWE, but that doesn't mean she is any more right than WWE. To censor his image is to forget he ever wrestled or existed IMO...

[FourFifty]

the Owen Hart Foundation exists and does alot of good in Owen's name without profiting off his wrestling career and just off the fact that we was an amazing human being.



Ya know why the Owen Hart Foundation exists and does a lot of good? His wrestling career. If he sold propane and propane accessories during his lifetime his chairty wouldn't get off the ground. Hell, Martha used the money she got from the lawsuit to start the Owen Hart Foundation.

[BollywoodSingh]

In the situation where my loved one absolutely adored the business they were in and it would benefit my family financially, yes. Blame is blame, fine. As long as the company admitted they were accountable for what was an ACCIDENT then what more gripe could I have? If they're a day late with my checks however, that's a paddlin'.

Did Owen Hart really adore the business? I believe he wanted to be a firefighter instead of a wrestler. If I remember right, he failed some fireman's test in the early 90s and that was the reason he came back to WWE. It seems that he was only wrestling for the money and because of his family's legacy, rather than him actually having any real passion for it.

[Sonofanarchy]

Did Owen Hart really adore the business? I believe he wanted to be a firefighter instead of a wrestler. If I remember right, he failed some fireman's test in the early 90s and that was the reason he came back to WWE. It seems that he was only wrestling for the money and because of his family's legacy, rather than him actually having any real passion for it.


DEAD On, hence the mother wanting them to know the man she knew and not the public figuer we thought we knew.

but with the internet and her family theres no way she can shield the kids forever.

[Punker]

Absolutely correct. Owen was a reluctant wrestler. According to Martha's book there were a few times that he was going to leave the business very early on.

Unfortunately for Owen, he was born into the business and it came naturally to him..he was also very, very good at it. It's hard to turn down guaranteed money and go home to find another job, no matter how much you may or may not like your current job.

The OHF exists because of his untimely passing. To say it's directly responsible because of his wrestling career is ridiculous. There's no Curt Hennig foundation, no Brian Clark foundation, no British Bulldog foundation. It exists to keep his name and memory alive in the name of goodwill and charity just like with most other organizations that have sprung out of others untimely passings of others that are in no-way related to the pro-wrestling business.

..was it funded with his wrestling money or the lawsuit money? That's completely irrelevant because on the day you die, you cease to be a wrestler, a fireman or anything else. You become a memory and a name and that memory and name is more important than a 1000 wrestling matches, in my opinion. No matter where the money comes from, the good the Foundation does now in his name is more important than where it was generated from 10+ years ago.

[DLVH84]

Absolutely correct. Owen was a reluctant wrestler. According to Martha's book there were a few times that he was going to leave the business very early on.

Unfortunately for Owen, he was born into the business and it came naturally to him..he was also very, very good at it. It's hard to turn down guaranteed money and go home to find another job, no matter how much you may or may not like your current job.

The OHF exists because of his untimely passing. To say it's directly responsible because of his wrestling career is ridiculous. There's no Curt Hennig foundation, no Brian Clark foundation, no British Bulldog foundation. It exists to keep his name and memory alive in the name of goodwill and charity just like with most other organizations that have sprung out of others untimely passings of others that are in no-way related to the pro-wrestling business.

..was it funded with his wrestling money or the lawsuit money? That's completely irrelevant because on the day you die, you cease to be a wrestler, a fireman or anything else. You become a memory and a name and that memory and name is more important than a 1000 wrestling matches, in my opinion. No matter where the money comes from, the good the Foundation does now in his name is more important than where it was generated from 10+ years ago.

I believe you're talking about Brian Adams...Bryan Clark is still alive.

Anyways, no matter what, Owen always brought a smile to our faces and everything. It's true that it's hard to walk away from the guaranteed money, but I believe if he left alongside Bret, Jim, and Davey Boy, he would be much more happier, as he will be with his family.

[CSL]

Vince wouldn't let Owen out of his contract, Bret has spoke about this numerous times, he didn't stay for the money. It's almost a lock at that time with how they banded money about and what they could have done story wise with it that he'd have gotten a very nice payday from WCW.

[Hanso Amore]

WWE was clearly as accountable as the harness company who made that contraption. However, Martha being bitter and selfish benefits no one. I can understand her not wanting WWE to profit off his premature demise, but to never allow him to be used in any retrospective is an insult to the career he died to build. And also to all of Owen's fans worldwide who would wanna see him in the HOF, DVD's or video games.

She has every right to be bitter with WWE, but that doesn't mean she is any more right than WWE. To censor his image is to forget he ever wrestled or existed IMO...

Yes again! SHE IS BEING SELFISH

SHE the one who lsot the love of her life, the father of her children. SHE is the selfish one. She is the victim here, NOT YOU, You goddamn monger. OH NO, You dont have DVDs....She sleeps alone at night. Her children didnt grow up with a father. BUT SHE IS PETTY.

You and your desire for a DVD set that chronicles what you already know, and can access on the internet so you wish, are on the complete UP AND UP. Nothing but class from you.

Go Fuck yourself.

[Hanso Amore]

I love you how you all pull this "Career he died to build" card and none of you (at least very few) have ever been in the ring, let alone felt the loss this family has. You have no perspective and are nothing but IWC marks.

[Juan]

lol @ people calling HER selfish. You can't be serious

[Aguakate]

Martha Hart is SUCH A BITCH.

I mean, her husband dies VERY young in a stunt gone wrong at a WWE PPV, leaving her to raise their kids on her own, and she won't let Vince and the company make money off him...

...What the FUCK is wrong with her, right?

[Hanso Amore]

HEY MAN

THESE FUCKING FANS WANT TO SEE HIGH QUALITY DVDS of his WORK. The WORK HE DIED FOR!!! BLAH

You know, these Internet fans that most of which were too young to remember him dying, let alone his greatness

THAT CUNT NEEDS TO QUIT IT WITH THE SELFISHNESS

WE NEED MORE DVDS TO PIRATE

[Theo Dious]

I love you how you all pull this "Career he died to build" card and none of you (at least very few) have ever been in the ring, let alone felt the loss this family has. You have no perspective and are nothing but IWC marks.

How very entertaining listening to someone lecture "IWC marks" about perspective whose posts are primarily comprised of swearing at people he disagrees with.

[Punker]

@DLVH84 - yes, that is what I meant, thanks for the correction and well said.

@CSL - correct as well. he couldn't leave. he'd asked but was denied.

Everyone's got an opinion. Sadly, most people's opinion of Owen Hart is one of ignorance and not understanding the man, simply because most people are wrestling fans and not Owen Hart fans. His legacy shouldn't be simply about what he did for a living - he was a very versatile man, by all accounts.

Martha isn't selfish. She's a was and still is a loving wife and she wants the memory of her Husband untarnished and for herself - and if there's one thing she deserves in life and should be allowed to have - it's that - and for anyone to say otherwise is a sad, pathetic statement.

..at the end of the day, We should all strive to be half the man he was and as fans we should respect his Wife's wishes. She knew him better than any of us ever did or will.

[Aguakate]

I TOTALLY get why she wouldn't want WWE to be able to earn money off Owen, but why would Martha get mad at Bret for wearing a shirt that shows he and Owen?

[Punker]

I TOTALLY get why she wouldn't want WWE to be able to earn money off Owen, but why would Martha get mad at Bret for wearing a shirt that shows he and Owen?

I'm pretty sure it just has to do with "wrestling and Owen" and not "WWE and Owen." I think it makes her look a bit strange but as someone stated above, she really disliked the business in general. Most of the Hart Family has passed or generally don't speak at all - so her getting mad at Bret is nothing new either - especially when he's still working with the company that her husband died working for.

She just wants the memory of Owen as her husband, not the wrestler. There's nothing wrong with that, either - because the chronicles of all of his work are available on You Tube and the Internet for public record.

..as much as everyone would like to see her ease up a bit and let somethings happen (namely a HoF induction), if it never happens in her or my life time, I'm fully prepared to deal with that as his memory and legacy is more hers than any of ours and I respect that.

[Aguakate]

...It's Bret's brother...she shouldn't mind.

As a matter of fact, Bret SELLS that t-shirt on his website, so he's making money off it.

[Punker]

...It's Bret's brother...she shouldn't mind.

As a matter of fact, Bret SELLS that t-shirt on his website, so he's making money off it.

I don't believe she does, really. They wouldn't sell the shirt if she did.

I think the issue was it appearing on TV, more specifically, WWE TV.

[Theo Dious]

Martha Hart is an embittered cunt.

[Punker]

Martha Hart is an embittered cunt.

..and you're a poor excuse for a human being and even shittier at trolling.

[Aguakate]

..and you're a poor excuse for a human being and even shittier at trolling.

LOL dude, calm down.

[Punker]

LOL dude, calm down.

I'm laid back man. Everyone's got an opinion, just speaking my mind.

[captaincharismark]

Yes again! SHE IS BEING SELFISH

SHE the one who lsot the love of her life, the father of her children. SHE is the selfish one. She is the victim here, NOT YOU, You goddamn monger. OH NO, You dont have DVDs....She sleeps alone at night. Her children didnt grow up with a father. BUT SHE IS PETTY.

You and your desire for a DVD set that chronicles what you already know, and can access on the internet so you wish, are on the complete UP AND UP. Nothing but class from you.

Go Fuck yourself.

There's a difference between grieving over a loss and dwelling on it as Martha has. It's been 12 years now and she is still bitter over what happened. Nothing will bring Owen back, so to not be able to celebrate or acknowledge his accomplishments to me is selfish. Again, she has the right to be bitter, cause it was WWE's fault, but at this point what is the use?

I think it's interesting most here talk about voicing opinion then flame someone for not agreeing with them. Don't agree with me? Fine, but don't try to state your opinion as fact, b/c it's far from that.

And it's ironic you say I have no class, when you resort to name calling and swearing to get some phony point across. It's self righteous pricks like you who give wrestling fans a bad name. No view other than your own is tolerated. Fuck you pal, cause your opinion is no better than mine...

[St. Jimmy]

RIP Serious Thread. Trolled to Death on September 2nd, 2011. Thanks, Hanso!

[Captain of Fun]

Don't think anyone has a right to judge Martha Hart, or tell her what she should and shouldn't do. I highly doubt anyone here has been in the same situation as her. Not talking about loss in general mind you, but her specific situation of losing her husband and raising kids alone. And now, the same people who were at fault want to make money off of it?

Easy to sit here and call her bitter when you have no idea how going through something like that, and being in that position feels.

[Kane Knight]

That the only person she is "fucking over" holding on to Owen's likeness rights and such is the fans? No DVD, No Video Games, No commemoration shirt. It's fucking stupid, your husband has a legacy and all of the royalties go to you and his kids. Shut the fuck up and sign the paperwork.

Of course, discounting any pain she herself might deal with.

But fuck that, entitled fanboys are crying!

[Kane Knight]

Don't think anyone has a right to judge Martha Hart, or tell her what she should and shouldn't do.

I hear what you're saying, but not having an Owen Hart T-Shirt is emotionally damagint to me, so screw her.

[Theo Dious]

Don't think anyone has a right to judge Martha Hart, or tell her what she should and shouldn't do.

Yeah, actually any human being has the right to judge any other human being. Whether you think they have standing or grounds to do so comprises your right to judge them for their judgments. See how that works?

I highly doubt anyone here has been in the same situation as her. Not talking about loss in general mind you, but her specific situation of losing her husband and raising kids alone. And now, the same people who were at fault want to make money off of it?

"Off of it?" "It" meaning his death? Is someone trying to release a "Death of Owen Hart" video?

There's a difference between grieving over a loss and dwelling on it as Martha has. It's been 12 years now and she is still bitter over what happened.

This is the thing. She and a whole shitload of people have gone on and on about "WWE was irresponsible and this stunt should never have been done." I'm personally sick of hearing that. Plenty of people had been lowered from the ceiling before Owen was; nobody ever said that WCW was irresponsible for the numerous times they dropped Sting from the rafters (which was a far more dangerous stunt since he was dropped into a near free-fall and then decelerated.) Nobody ever cried out about Shawn Michaels' entrance at Wrestlemania 12 (watch the Shawn Michaels "Heartbreak and Triumph" video; Vince did it himself during the preparation.) I know I've seen Jerry Lawler and Paul Bearer suspended over the ring in cages. Any one of said people could have experienced the same fate as Owen Hart. Martha Hart and a lot of the Hart camp choose to believe that what happened to Owen was the result of some kind of spiteful vendetta against him. It's sad and disgusting and people need to grow the fuck up.

At least Martha, to my knowledge, has never accused WWE of murdering Owen, the way Jim Cornette did.

..and you're a poor excuse for a human being and even shittier at trolling.

I'm laid back man. Everyone's got an opinion, just speaking my mind.

So me=troll, you=laid back and speaking your mind. Got it.

[Hanso Amore]

RIP Serious Thread. Trolled to Death on September 2nd, 2011. Thanks, Hanso!

Oh yes. What an amazing and thought out thread I ruined.

[Ruien]

Martha Hart is no way, shape, or form an entertainer. Why would she care about keeping anyone entertained?

[MoFo]

Dunno, she seems pretty dumb, losing all her (Owens) money in legal bills and such just to pursue petty lawsuits against WWE over minor things.

[Theo Dious]

Martha Hart is no way, shape, or form an entertainer. Why would she care about keeping anyone entertained?

Out of numerous reasons one could name, the fact that there's a lot of money in it is a reason. You or she may not agree with it, but it is a reason.

[Kane Knight]

Oh yes. What an amazing and thought out thread I ruined.

You're hurting their feelings.

Martha Hart is no way, shape, or form an entertainer. Why would she care about keeping anyone entertained?

Wrestling fans are entitled little shits. The sooner you learn that, the more sense things will make around here.

[ThePhantom]

That the only person she is "fucking over" holding on to Owen's likeness rights and such is the fans? No DVD, No Video Games, No commemoration shirt. It's fucking stupid, your husband has a legacy and all of the royalties go to you and his kids. Shut the fuck up and sign the paperwork.


Do you think Martha Hart gives a fuck about what wrestling fans think about her decisions? She lost her husband you ignorant cunt.

[XL]

This thread is beyond comprehension.

[Kane Knight]

Out of numerous reasons one could name, the fact that there's a lot of money in it is a reason. You or she may not agree with it, but it is a reason.

OMG, she could be making money? Has anyone told her? I'm sure that would turn this around in an instant!

[St. Jimmy]

http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/files/original/trolls.jpg

[Kane Knight]

One day, Jimmy, you will learn the difference between "trolling" and "taking the piss out of" someone.

On that day, you might also realise that Martha Hart probably puts her own feelings before a bunch of spoiled brats who whine about wanting Owen in a video game. You might even accept that it's a valid belief, rather than assuming she's out to screw you over personally or something.

Not today, not tomorrow, but one day. Maybe soon. I will pray for you, Jimmy.