1-10 How big of a star was Bret? [Archive]

Rollermacka

09-29-2011, 11:22 AM

Gertner brought this up, on a scale of 1-10 how big of a star would you have considered Bret? Was he on the same level as Hogan, Macho, Flair, Sting durring the early 90s. What about Rock, Austin, HBK, in the late 90s, and how does he compare to someone like Punk or Cena today?

Gertner

09-29-2011, 11:26 AM

Internationally 10, in the U.S 7.

Bret's not as big a star as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Sting, Savage.

He's a second tier level star. Bret thinks he's up there with Hogan and Austin, but he's not. Reason: mediocre at best on the mic.

I'd put him on the level with Nash in terms of drawing power. Obviously he's a better in ring worker, but what big gate has Bret ever drawn in the U.S? The WWF was losing badly to WCW when he was main eventing, and the switch from Gee golly shucks Bret to the Attitude era after Bret left for WCW boosted WWF and sunk WCW when Bret was there. Half of Bret's problem was Bret being booked poorly in WCW. but the other half was Bret just not being that big of draw in the U.S, which hurt Bret because WCW for the most part stayed in the U.S as opposed to WWF where Bret draw big numbers in Canada and England.

Rammsteinmad

09-29-2011, 11:32 AM

I'd say 8. Bret was known worldwide, but unfortunately he was the #1 guy of a company during it's lowest run.

If Bret had been in WWE during the Attitude Era things could have been very different. But none-the-less, WWF at it's lowest point in the 90's was still pretty big worldwide.

Maybe Hart isn't on that 'Elite' list of wrestlers that can be counted on one hand (Hogan, Austin, Flair, etc), but I do think he was a big star back in the day.

RP

09-29-2011, 11:32 AM

1

Sucked balls

Triple Naitch

09-29-2011, 11:33 AM

8. Probably the greatest technician of all time but never had the mainstream appeal of Rock, Hogan, or Austin.

Gertner

09-29-2011, 11:34 AM

I'd say 8. Bret was known worldwide, but unfortunately he was the #1 guy of a company during it's lowest run.

If Bret had been in WWE during the Attitude Era things could have been very different. But none-the-less, WWF at it's lowest point in the 90's was still pretty big worldwide.

Maybe Hart isn't on that 'Elite' list of wrestlers that can be counted on one hand (Hogan, Austin, Flair, etc), but I do think he was a big star back in the day.

Bret wouldn't have went along with the Attitude Era way of doing things. He would have held the company back.

RP

09-29-2011, 11:34 AM

I think he wore those glasses so guys could see the way there balls rest in his mouth

RP

09-29-2011, 11:38 AM

I think Brett wore pink because he thought the cum wouldn't show during a black light test.

Rammsteinmad

09-29-2011, 11:38 AM

Bret wouldn't have went along with the Attitude Era way of doing things. He would have held the company back.

I dunno... a lot of his later WWF stuff was very Attitude-esque.

RP

09-29-2011, 11:47 AM

The Sharpshooter wasn't always the name of Brett s submission finisher. Originally it was called Stu's Clues.

JimmyMess

09-29-2011, 11:50 AM

He's a 10 because everyone knows who he is (within wrestling and the general public) and that he is a famous wrestler. That is just one reason.

Rammsteinmad

09-29-2011, 11:51 AM

To be fair, he did appear on The Simpsons. That's gotta have some kinda pop-culture significance.

Nicky Fives

09-29-2011, 11:52 AM

6 in America
10 in Canada
9 Worldwide

I don't think his popularity in the US was anywhere near Austin/Rock levels, but when Bret was on top, wrestling was at a far lower point than The Attitude Era. It was just escaping the "cartoon/over the top characters" and heading towards HBK's New Generation," but no matter the era, Bret will always be looked at as one of the most technical superstars of all-time, along with Angle, Benoit, Jericho, et al.

JimmyMess

09-29-2011, 11:52 AM

To be fair, he did appear on The Simpsons. That's gotta have some kinda pop-culture significance.

That.

The MAC

09-29-2011, 12:10 PM

bret is a solid 10.

if you think any less you don't know what you are talking about.

jskinnyg

09-29-2011, 12:22 PM

I give Bret a 12 in Canada and an 8.5 here in the US... He was a 10 in the US until Rock, Austin, etc. came along...

Shisen Kopf

09-29-2011, 12:22 PM

He is the biggest Canadian rassler of all time. So with that said, he's a 5 because canada only counts as half a USA!

jskinnyg

09-29-2011, 12:22 PM

That being said, I hate him...

Xero

09-29-2011, 12:23 PM

6 in America
10 in Canada
9 Worldwide

I'd agree with this. Maybe a 7 in the US. He was a solid main eventer, but I never saw him among the Austins, Rocks and Hogans. Worldwide he was more popular, though, and in Canada he is a God, pretty much. But that's only because Canada has a lot of pride in their guys. If Bret wasn't Canadian he'd probably be equal with the US.

Jari

09-29-2011, 02:24 PM

Bret is a solid 7.

If you think he's a 10, then you're probably one of those uber defensive Bret Hart marks.

James Steele

09-29-2011, 02:33 PM

Bret is a solid 7.

If you think he's a 10, then you're probably one of those uber defensive Bret Hart marks.

:y:

Lock Jaw

09-29-2011, 02:36 PM

7 in America.

7000 in Canada.

CSL

09-29-2011, 02:43 PM

9. He's not Hogan, Austin, Rock but he's still one of the "most famous"/biggest ever.

evilution78

09-29-2011, 02:46 PM

He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ...
Give him a 3

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 03:05 PM

Bret is a 10 forever, and I love him. I am also a Bret Hart mark, so fuck you guys.

How many times has Hulk Hogan appeared on Lonesome Dove? That's right. Fucking ZERO.

Xero

09-29-2011, 03:07 PM

How many theater-released movies has Bret Hart starred in?

CSL

09-29-2011, 03:23 PM

how many theatre-released movie star wrestlers were in every single episode of a world famous multi-multi-season Emmy, Peabody and Grammy award winning TV show?

Xero

09-29-2011, 03:38 PM

3.

Jari

09-29-2011, 03:50 PM

He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ...
Give him a 3
 I have read some amount of shit on this forum but this may just take the prize of "Post That Indicates the Highest Amount of Retardation Suffering in One Poster"

Xero

09-29-2011, 03:52 PM

He is EVILUTION78, you are like the buzzing of flies to him!

dhellova guy

09-29-2011, 04:00 PM

Solid 8. 8 is respectable.

Lara Emily

09-29-2011, 04:04 PM

I would like the point out that if Bret was Main Eventing during the low days of the WWF then so was HBK, just for the record.

Anyway:

US: 8
Canada; 7 million
Worldwide: 10

Jari

09-29-2011, 04:33 PM

I would like the point out that if Bret was Main Eventing during the low days of the WWF then so was HBK, just for the record.
Most of us are capable of recognising this but we can also spot HBK's far greater contribution to what became the Attitude Era as well as the levels of performance that Shawn Michaels achieved post back injury.

Rollermacka

09-29-2011, 04:43 PM

He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ...
Give him a 3

According to Wikipedia (which is always right of course) Brett is 6ft 1 234lbs, so we can safely say alittle over 6 ft around 230lbs. I'd say thats maybe "average" for a wrestler but no where near small.

Side note, I think the only time I saw all the Hart bros wrestling was at Survivor Series. I wanna say Brett was the biggest one

DaveBrawl

09-29-2011, 05:11 PM

Bret is a 10 forever, and I love him. I am also a Bret Hart mark, so fuck you guys.

How many times has Hulk Hogan appeared on Lonesome Dove? That's right. Fucking ZERO.

This.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 05:16 PM

Lonesome Dove, bitches.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 05:18 PM

Look how un-gay he looks.

http://retro4.tripod.com/bretdove2.jpg

Xero

09-29-2011, 05:19 PM

I don't know, tassels are pretty gay.

CSL

09-29-2011, 05:20 PM

say what motherfucker

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/u/ultimatewarrior/01.jpg

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 05:21 PM

Well this is totally not gay at all:

http://www.brethart.com/files/images/bretaladdin1_1.jpg

Xero

09-29-2011, 05:22 PM

say what motherfucker

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/u/ultimatewarrior/01.jpg

Tassels in pastel colors is uber gay. Even more gay when you get matching belts.

Next Big Thing

09-29-2011, 05:31 PM

http://twinpix.nu/uploads/full/93787.jpg

Black bandana? Check. Eye patch? Check. Sleeveless jean shirt (tucked into jeans)? Check. Clashing belt? Check.

Bret had to play a character. Hulk Hogan was Hulk Hogan no matter what the script, scene or weather called for. And for that reason, Bret will always be a tier below whatever tier Hogan is on.

BollywoodSingh

09-29-2011, 05:43 PM

Internationally 10, in the U.S 7.

Bret's not as big a star as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Sting, Savage.

He's a second tier level star. Bret thinks he's up there with Hogan and Austin, but he's not. Reason: mediocre at best on the mic.

I'd put him on the level with Nash in terms of drawing power. Obviously he's a better in ring worker, but what big gate has Bret ever drawn in the U.S? The WWF was losing badly to WCW when he was main eventing, and the switch from Gee golly shucks Bret to the Attitude era after Bret left for WCW boosted WWF and sunk WCW when Bret was there. Half of Bret's problem was Bret being booked poorly in WCW. but the other half was Bret just not being that big of draw in the U.S, which hurt Bret because WCW for the most part stayed in the U.S as opposed to WWF where Bret draw big numbers in Canada and England.

Kevin Nash was one of the worst drawing champions in WWE history, domestically or internationally.

Bret Hart was a big draw internationally but within the US, he wasn't much of a draw. But he was still WWE's biggest draw for a few years.

Hogan, Austin, The Rock, Flair, Savage are all on a level Bret Hart.

I'd put Bret Hart in the same league as HBK, but he was always a bigger draw than HBK, but I don't know if it's a big enough difference for him to be considered in a tier above him.

Emperor Smeat

09-29-2011, 05:47 PM

7-8 range for today and around 8-9 in terms of actual in-ring skills compared to most main event quality wrestlers. The whole US vs Canada feud during the mid to late 1990s ended up hurting his marketability in the US but same could be said of HBK in Canada during the time.

10 during his era in the WWF regardless how low or bad the WWF was because he fit perfectly against the more show-boating style of HBK.

He still is worthy of 2nd tier star status after all the really big names but HBK moved into 1st tier due to a longer career and after his return back to wrestling.

Eklipse

09-29-2011, 06:03 PM

I have never met an american non-wrestling fan who knows who Bret is. The question is "how big of a star was he?" not "how good of a wrestler/performer do you think he was?"

That being said...in the U.S. he's a 6.
Canada he's a 9.5.

Wishbone

09-29-2011, 06:09 PM

Bret was great in the ring and able to get over pretty well so I'd say 7 maybe an 8 at certain points in his career, but by no means was he EVER at the level of Hogan or any of the others listed.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:09 PM

Yeah, I'm sure you have talked to soooooooo many non-wrestling fans about Bret Hart.

:eyesrollingoutofmymotherfuckingface:

Eklipse

09-29-2011, 06:10 PM

well, if you didn't watch wrestling would you know who he is?

Rammsteinmad

09-29-2011, 06:19 PM

For Christ's sake! I said this on the first page, but he was in the Simpsons!!! He wouldn't have appeared in The Simpsons if they didn't think people wouldn't know who he was. That should tell you all you need to know about how big of a draw he was back in the 90's.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:20 PM

well, if you didn't watch wrestling would you know who he is?

How the fuck would I know? I've watched wrestling my whole life.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:20 PM

Do I have to find some more Lonesome Dove pictures, because I swear I will.

Rammsteinmad

09-29-2011, 06:29 PM

ABT CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!

Eklipse

09-29-2011, 06:31 PM

For Christ's sake! I said this on the first page, but he was in the Simpsons!!! He wouldn't have appeared in The Simpsons if they didn't think people wouldn't know who he was. That should tell you all you need to know about how big of a draw he was back in the 90's.

Bret wasn't a huge draw then. Pro wrestling as a whole was a draw.
Bret just happened to be one of the top guys at the time.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:32 PM

ABT CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!

Bret Hart is serious business. He's the greasy Canadian father I never wanted.

Rammsteinmad

09-29-2011, 06:33 PM

Which goes back to what I originally said. Bret was the top guy at the lowest time. But even at it's lowest time, WWF was still a world-wide company, therefore people knew who Bret Hart was.

Otherwise Hogan would have been in the Simpsons, probably jobbing everyone out.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:33 PM

Bret wasn't a huge draw then. Pro wrestling as a whole was a draw.
Bret just happened to be one of the top guys at the time.

But why was wrestling so big? Because Bret Hart was the shit, that's why.

Gertner

09-29-2011, 06:33 PM

Kevin Nash was one of the worst drawing champions in WWE history, domestically or internationally.

Bret Hart was a big draw internationally but within the US, he wasn't much of a draw. But he was still WWE's biggest draw for a few years.

Hogan, Austin, The Rock, Flair, Savage are all on a level Bret Hart.

I'd put Bret Hart in the same league as HBK, but he was always a bigger draw than HBK, but I don't know if it's a big enough difference for him to be considered in a tier above him.

lol Bret wasn't a bigger draw than HBK

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:34 PM

Didn't HBK wrestle Mantaur once? Get outta here.

BigDaddyCool

09-29-2011, 06:35 PM

Bret sucks. Only dumb canucks like him.

Next Big Thing

09-29-2011, 06:39 PM

I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:39 PM

Bret...

Yes, that is indeed his name. Good point, BDC.

BigDaddyCool

09-29-2011, 06:40 PM

I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.

Yeah, he still dress like it is the 90's, but I here that is the style in Canada.

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:41 PM

I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.

LITTLE KNOWN FACT: Those were the actual shorts being worn by 50 Cent when he was shot nine times.

BigDaddyCool

09-29-2011, 06:41 PM

Yes, that is indeed his name. Good point, BDC.

fuck you buddy.

Triple Naitch

09-29-2011, 06:53 PM

Hey guys, remember when Shawn Michaels guest starred on Pacific Blue?

Xero

09-29-2011, 06:54 PM

Remember when Austin guest starred on Nash Bridges multiple times?

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:54 PM

Like anybody watched Pacific Blue. :roll:

Juan

09-29-2011, 06:55 PM

10

Anybody Thrilla

09-29-2011, 06:56 PM

Or Nash Bridges. :roll:

Lonesome Dove is the highest grossing television series of our lifetime, and Bret's appearance were the all-time highest rated with a whopping 56.1 rating. Hard to believe, I know.

Triple Naitch

09-29-2011, 06:58 PM

Tempted to make a thread titled: Wrestlers who appeared on below average tv shows.

BollywoodSingh

09-29-2011, 07:19 PM

lol Bret wasn't a bigger draw than HBK

I don't know about post-2002, but in the mid 90s, Bret was definitely a bigger draw than HBK. There is no denying that. When HBK was champion in 1996 and Bret was off TV, that's when many people started watching WCW. Of course, a lot of this can also be attributed to the NWO starting up around then, but HBK's girly gimmick turned off many male viewers, which is WWE's target audience.

CSL

09-29-2011, 07:33 PM

Kevin Nash was one of the worst drawing champions in WWE history, domestically or internationally.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/von_muff/nashg2.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/von_muff/nashg1.jpg

bet you're feeling pretty bastard stupid right now

Jari

09-29-2011, 07:34 PM

Or Nash Bridges. :roll:

Lonesome Dove is the highest grossing television series of our lifetime, and Bret's appearance were the all-time highest rated with a whopping 56.1 rating. Hard to believe, I know.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/von_muff/nashg2.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/von_muff/nashg1.jpg

bet you're feeling pretty bastard stupid right now
Imagine if he had been on Spike!

Lara Emily

09-29-2011, 07:43 PM

Most of us are capable of recognising this but we can also spot HBK's far greater contribution to what became the Attitude Era as well as the levels of performance that Shawn Michaels achieved post back injury.

Bret helped make Austin into the Austin everyone knows, Bret played a big role in the initial HBK/DX thing.

Anyway post 2002 sure fine, but Bret's head was jello by then. But before then Bret and HBK were both on top during the exact same era.

And here's the big thing Bret Hart is probably one of the biggest international draws of all time.

Jari

09-29-2011, 07:48 PM

Bret helped make Austin into the Austin everyone knows, Bret played a big role in the initial HBK/DX thing.
DX would have happened regardless of who was there or whoever HBK was feuding with.

You're perfectly right in saying that Bret played his part in the development of Austin but I would rank the 96 KOTR promo and the first Stunner on Vince as being of far greater importance in shaping the man who became Stone Cold Steve Austin.

bigslimjj

09-29-2011, 07:53 PM

Fuck bret,and fuck Canada.lol. Na j/k he's a solid 7

Lara Emily

09-29-2011, 08:00 PM

DX would have happened regardless of who was there or whoever HBK was feuding with.

You're perfectly right in saying that Bret played his part in the development of Austin but I would rank the 96 KOTR promo and the first Stunner on Vince as being of far greater importance in shaping the man who became Stone Cold Steve Austin.

The DX thing was somewhat of a direct response to what Bret was doing at the time. Would it have come out anyway, maybe but Bret played a role.

To be fair I think the only real thing either HBK or Bret played in setting the tone for the Attitude Era was Montreal. Bret was out of the picture by the end of 97 amd HBK was gone only a few months later. Then it was Austin/Rock/HHH's DX (The DX most people are going to remember more IMO)/McMahon from there on in.

DaveBrawl

09-29-2011, 08:31 PM

Anybody Thrilla is absolutely right about everything in this thread.

Rock Bottom

09-30-2011, 12:13 AM

Curious about where all this knowledge about drawing power is coming from.

I give him 8. And it's all from his wrestling. I can't give him a 10. He is the only wrestler I would rate this high on wrestling skills alone. I would give him a 9 if he weren't the victim of some unfortunate circumstances. When wrestling evolves beyond you, it does you no favors to go to a company who drops the ball with you, have your family start dropping dead and have career-ending strokes. Had Hart more time, he might have surprised people and been able to evolve himself. But nobody knows now.

I save the tens for those who are the performers, the ones who can ignite the crowd and use the ability to create drama. Although a lot of these tens are great wrestlers, some of them aren't; moreover, none of them were as good as Bret in the ring. In his league, yes, plenty were. But none as good.

XCaliber

09-30-2011, 12:44 AM

He's an easy 9.5 for when he was in his prime.

Aguakate

09-30-2011, 01:01 AM

Bret was a 10 in his prime, definitely.

In 1997 he was about a 12...he was at his all-time best that year.

St. Jimmy

09-30-2011, 01:35 AM

Bret was a 10 in his prime, definitely.

In 1997 he was about a 12...he was at his all-time best that year.

In 1997 when he was over-shadowed by Shawn Michaels. Right.

Aguakate

09-30-2011, 01:41 AM

In 1997 when he was over-shadowed by Shawn Michaels. Right.

That was towards the end of his tenure there. I'm talking about his feud with Austin, the match they had at WM13, his Anti-American/Canadian Hero gimmick, him being leader of the Hart Foundation, etc. He was money.

Juan

09-30-2011, 02:07 AM

LOL I'll never understand people's need to downplay Bret Hart's achievements and success.

I'm very glad my two favorite wrestlers are HBK and Bret, so I don't have to talk shit about one just to make a point about the other one.

AKin3D

09-30-2011, 02:12 AM

Canada 10: Duh

USA 6: I always think he had a solid fan base and liking, but really I never heard people overly rave about him like any other names. He kind of was a side note. It wasn't until he faced off with Austin and Shawn he kind of became more of "star." After he went to WCW his name faded and besides the Screw Job, most "everyday/casual" fans would just kind of go "oh yeah, him too...He was cool" if he was brought up.

Internationally I'm going with a 3: Just like Eklipse I have a very hard time finding non American/Canada fans that know who he is. The ones who do know him are hardcore wrestling fans and still most of them think he's shit and care little about him. The other thing is most of them are from Europe. I have never heard Bret's name every brought up when talking to Asian fans. I've been asked who I'm talking about many times. I think his popularity is a bit over rated.

Aguakate

09-30-2011, 02:15 AM

LOL at Bret being a "3" Internationally.

And a "6" in the US, yet he had the best Main Event matches from like, 1992 to 1997, was a huge fan favorite, and won Vince's confidence to the point he was a 5-Time WWF Champion, along with the IC and Tag Team Titles.

Incredible.

Lara Emily

09-30-2011, 03:50 AM

LOL I'll never understand people's need to downplay Bret Hart's achievements and success.

I'm very glad my two favorite wrestlers are HBK and Bret, so I don't have to talk shit about one just to make a point about the other one.

I don't get it either. They both are legends, they both are on the same level.

ZosoMetalManiac

09-30-2011, 05:05 AM

I'd give him a solid 9 all around. Obviously not the huge pop culture icon like Hogan or Austin, but just a right below that, IMO. He did that on his wrestling skills alone too, which speaks volumes about how great he really was.

BollywoodSingh

09-30-2011, 10:20 AM

DX would have happened regardless of who was there or whoever HBK was feuding with.

You're perfectly right in saying that Bret played his part in the development of Austin but I would rank the 96 KOTR promo and the first Stunner on Vince as being of far greater importance in shaping the man who became Stone Cold Steve Austin.

No way was the KOTR promo more important to Austin's development than the WM13 match with Bret Hart. Austin was still a midcarder for about 6 months after that KOTR promo. But after the WM match, he was instantly one of WWE's top babyfaces.

MVP

09-30-2011, 02:01 PM

If WWE didn't believe that Austin was going to emerge as a legit main eventer, they wouldn't have let him feud with Bret Hart leading up to his return at Survivor Series 96. His KOTR 96 promo started all of that. I think his WM13 match with Bret indicated that not only is Austin a main eventer, but the whole company can be built around him.

BollywoodSingh

09-30-2011, 03:22 PM

I'm not denying that the KOTR promo helped Austin. It definitely did. But it didn't immediately put him over the way the WM13 with Bret Hart did. Right after winning the KOTR in June, WWE didn't really do much with Austin until September or so when the seeds for the Bret Hart feud were planted. Unless my memory is incorrect.

I'm just saying that the increase in Austin's overness from the start of WM13 to end of WM13 was a lot higher than the start of KOTR to the end of KOTR.

Nightwing

10-01-2011, 03:05 PM

Judging by this Bret was an ok draw, not the best, but come on..

http://www.gerweck.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/263063144.jpg

Skippord

10-01-2011, 04:07 PM

starting to feel like a huge asshole for not knowing about the show Lonesome Dove

Rollermacka

10-01-2011, 04:40 PM

well, if you didn't watch wrestling would you know who he is?

Well, if you were a fan of Mad Tv then yes you knew who Bret Hart is. Anybody remember his feud with Will Sasso?

McLegend

10-01-2011, 04:52 PM

Yes finally Bret Hart marks vs HBK marks fights have returned to TPWW!!!

It's been too long.

CSL

10-01-2011, 06:48 PM

No way was the KOTR promo more important to Austin's development than the WM13 match with Bret Hart. Austin was still a midcarder for about 6 months after that KOTR promo. But after the WM match, he was instantly one of WWE's top babyfaces.

...that's because he turned babyface at the end of the match at the culmination of a slow burning feud. Before the match he was one of the WWE's top heels (winning the Royal Rumble 3 months earlier ring any bells?) He was calling Bret out/laying the groundwork as far back as September 1996, if not before that. The spark that gave him the platform/spot on the card to do that/thing that made "the office" think "hold on, we've got something here"? The KOTR win and promo.

Jari

10-01-2011, 08:37 PM

No way was the KOTR promo more important to Austin's development than the WM13 match with Bret Hart. Austin was still a midcarder for about 6 months after that KOTR promo. But after the WM match, he was instantly one of WWE's top babyfaces.
The KOTR promo is what launched Austin 3:16. The only reason that he remained the midcard was because of the WWE trying to go against what the fans wanted and making him a bad guy.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Bret's remarkable contribution to wrestling but others have had a more telling part in the story of pro wrestling and that is why I ranked him at a 7.

Ruien

10-01-2011, 09:43 PM

LOL at Bret being a "3" Internationally.

And a "6" in the US, yet he had the best Main Event matches from like, 1992 to 1997, was a huge fan favorite, and won Vince's confidence to the point he was a 5-Time WWF Champion, along with the IC and Tag Team Titles.

Incredible.

Can't believe I actually agree with you on something.