NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

[Blitz]

I thought Ronic was copying and pasting from some ridiculous parody or something, but I googled it and all that came up was the exact same post as a comment on a blog from The Score by user Raging Ronic.

[RaginRonic]

I thought Ronic was copying and pasting from some ridiculous parody or something, but I googled it and all that came up was the exact same post as a comment on a blog from The Score by user Raging Ronic.

To clear up something for you, and everyone else here, Blitz...I use both Ronic AND Ragin' Ronic as nicknames on the internet. Ronic on it's own has been MY nick online since 2000. Ragin' Ronic, used like that, indicates that I have been boiled up in anger over what I perceive to be deliberate incompetence or telling all of the truth over what I see are wrongs or slights against things I support.

The origins of the 'Ronic' name come from the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. My name IRL is Ron, so, ergo, you knock the 'S' off of the word Sonic, replace it with an R, and you get Ronic. The 'on' in both my name and Sonic's name are letters that both words have in common.

I know a lot of you here are bored, but do try to keep up.

I do not hold back, I do not bullshit, and I don't support pro-U.S. spin on anything. I am a Canadian, by birth and citizenry, and I would like Canada to be the leader in economy, sport, and social trends for a few years.

And, frankly, I'd find it fun if I became the NHL Commissioner. I'd put an equal number of Canadian home teams in each division, and not heavily rely on what NBC thinks when it comes to scheduling the Cup Finals....72 hours between the last Conference Finals game and the first game of the Cup Finals would do.

And no, I don't support the thought or idea of anyone who does not have a Canadian birth certificate running the NHL...not anymore. All Gary has EVER done is force hockey down the throat of A] FOX Sports, B] ESPN-ABC, and C] NBC Sports. The U.S. TV networks are ONLY interested in NHL business when it comes to the money side of hockey, governed not by the Canadian dollar.

It stems from Gary's inability to admit that he is incompetent, and only interested in using Canadian-born players to prop up the falsified image that hockey matters in the U.S. No one really gives a shit about hockey in the U.S., and only show up on NHL TV broadcasts in the U.S. to promote their social networking initatives and their own pet projects.

And if you can't see the scam here, then you are horribly naive to the manipulative behaviour that goes on all around the National Hockey League....just politicians sucking the dick of the almighty U.S. Dollar and the dick of that wetback faggot, Gary Buttman. >8-(

[OssMan]

Everything in the world is about money you dick. I'm really not following you that closely but what do you want to happen, move every NHL team to Canada? That's a great idea, you'll lose a huge growing audience.

[Skippord]

do Canadians call Americans wetbacks because they are south of them? Is that some sort of weird geographical term?

[Skippord]

Ronic, would you suck the cock of the almighty American dollar in order to get every NHL team to move to Canada?

[RaginRonic]

Skippord, get over yourself, you stupid pro-U.S. sports mark...this is how I'd do it...

A] If I won the leadership of the NHL out of Buttman's hands by, say, playing for the Canadiens(as an example franchise) and being on THE Canadian home franchise to end The Drought, I, upon becoming Commissioner on the day NHL free agency opened, would order that the NHL Board of Governors dissolve operations immediately.

B] Replace the corrupt BOG with a committee consisting of former players, active broadcasters, and team boosters from the Canadian home franchises.

C] End ALL revenue sharing with the teams in the Southern U.S. that would be deliquent to the reformed financial interests of the league as a whole.

D] Strip ALL NHL teams of any territorial veto that they may have to force fans in some larger Canadian non-NHL cities to cheer teams between 1-1/2 and 2 hours drive away.

E] Award the cities of Hamilton, Ontario, Quebec City, Quebec, London, Ontario, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, AND Halifax, Nova Scotia expansion or relocated franchises at financial costs relative to their regions in Canada, forgiving some costs for smaller centres.

F] Hold a combined Entry AND ReDistribution Draft that would mandate all 12 Canadian home franchises selected no fewer than 7 pro and 5 rookie players from Canada, and that the 20 U.S. home franchises would select no fewer than 7 pro and 5 rookie players from the U.S., with remaining draft and redistribution picks be split between the U.S. and European countries.

G] Mandate that each Canadian franchise is permitted to have at least 1 high-level elite player on each team.

H] File a request with the federal government in Canada to have taxes that athletes pay here cut down to 6%, as to open up the Canadian market better to allow high-end pro athletic talent to ply their trade in Canada too.

I] Realign the NHL to 2 conferences with 16 teams each, with 4 4-team divisions in each, with the conferences renamed to Campbell and Wales, and the divisions named for both the original names(Adams, Patrick, Norris, and Smythe) and some contemporary NHL luminaries.

J] Eliminate all East V. West conference play during the regular season, only crossing the conferences over in the Cup Finals, and return playoff qualification to being decided by divisional records. Top 2 teams in each division make it to the Spring Stampede to the title, with all 3rd and 4th place teams going to the Draft Lottery.

K] Make a 78-game regular season where the All-Star Break would not happen until each team played it's 39th game by January 10, thereby condensing the season to a more reasonable length.

L] All playoff rounds would be 72 hours apart from the end of the previous round, with the exception of the Stanley Cup Finals, where they would start 96 hours after the end of the last Conference Finals game.

M] Increase fan attractions in all NHL buildings to have an All-Star Weekend-like atmosphere, year round.

N] Mandate cheerleaders in the NHL for all teams. End the stodginess of in-game entertainment.

And finally, O] Make sure the U.S. NHL home franchises thank Canada for the sport of hockey on TV, and make sure that the U.S. home franchises and media partners for the U.S. TV and radio networks cannot manipulate any info or intel they may hear somewhere.

All of the above would PERMANENTLY END the masturbation of the egos of the U.S. NHL home clubs. Which, to me, is repugnant.

[El Fangel]

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[RaginRonic]

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Shut the Fuck Up.

Fallen Angel, please remove the cock from your ass and go see a doctor about your highly-infected anal warts, okay? =P

[RoXer]

I like this guy

[El Fangel]

I like this guy

He has that fire. Wish he wasn't such an idiot when it comes to hockey though.

[LoDownM]

Guy needs a tinfoil hat.

[El Fangel]

I was thinking a Chara slapshot to the balls to prevent procreation as well.

[RaginRonic]

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[YOUR Hero]

Ronic,

welcome, but shhhh a little. Thre are some knowlegable guys that post in here. No need to come in and stirrrrrr the waters and make people think you're a foolish blow-hard. Just post 'normal'

[weather vane]

Pay no attention to Spilchuk, as this is just another one of his bullshit stories.

Back in 2007, Spilchuk tried to convince posters that he lost his virginity at 13 years of age when in reality, he was fucked in the ass by his father at that age. t "Half-truths." It ain't lying if you aren't telling the whole truth righ?

In all likelihood, Spilchuk is dating Lanny MacDonald's cock.

How do you remember stuff like that? Creepy.

I can assure you that I do not lie. Although now I feel fucking creeped out for bringing it up for some reason. You are scary.

[Kapoutman]

Spilchuk, PM me the name, and I'll keep it a secret. I don't want to go through Wikipedia's list of Thunder Bay NHLers until I get it right.

She's from the Staal family?

[weather vane]

I sent you one Guy.

I wouldn't care if it wasnt for fuckin Dahmer.

[Heyman]

How do you remember stuff like that? Creepy.

I can assure you that I do not lie. Although now I feel fucking creeped out for bringing it up for some reason. You are scary.

Sorry Spilchuk,

I actually was starting to like you, and still sort of do I guess, but the way you talk shit about Canuck fans and paint all Canuck fans with one brush is fucking stupid. Fans like you are bad for our sport......or any sport for that matter.

Smelly Meatball is slightly annoying, but he's atleast what I consider a respectable Boston Bruins fan.

You on the other hand, are a homosexual that also happens to be gay.

[Kapoutman]

Spilchuk says the same thing about Habs fans. I say the same thing about Bruins fans. It's friendly banter and insults.

Because fuck the Bruins, really.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Don't get an allergy from all the dust or mold in the basement. :)

[Kapoutman]

I developed an immunity by the end of the year. You get used to those things.

[Hanso Amore]

I don't have anything against American teams. Just something against teams that are being artificially maintained alive. Like Phoenix. Bettman won't admit his project failed and move on to something else. I don't even care if it's Quebec City, Kansas City or Seattle. Just move on.

Agreed. I have a hard time liking the idea of Nashville, but they are a stable franchise. So I cvan give them a pass. I hate that Carolina and Tampa have cups, but they make it work. The Traditionalist in me will never forget the Whalers, but if they can hold their own I am ok.

Phoenix needs to move TODAY. Put them in any of those cities. Or somewhere in Ontario. It will work. Phoenix is never going to work.

Florida needs to go. And the Islanders. Which sucks because they are a historic franchise.

[Kapoutman]

They did the right thing with Atlanta, but it took them until the last minute to admit that they had failed. Think they'll try a third time in the future?

[El Fangel]

Don't get an allergy from all the dust or mold in the basement. :)

I think you have us confused, the Leafs are next door.

I developed an immunity by the end of the year. You get used to those things.

We keep visiting the basement often, since we are the same division. Thankfully, we got the second floor of the three story mansion.

Keep thinking of Leafs fans everytime I watch "The People Under The Stairs"

Honestly wonder if Gertie will have Leafs players as pall bearers. You know, so they can let him down one last time.

Agreed. I have a hard time liking the idea of Nashville, but they are a stable franchise. So I cvan give them a pass. I hate that Carolina and Tampa have cups, but they make it work. The Traditionalist in me will never forget the Whalers, but if they can hold their own I am ok.

Phoenix needs to move TODAY. Put them in any of those cities. Or somewhere in Ontario. It will work. Phoenix is never going to work.

Florida needs to go. And the Islanders. Which sucks because they are a historic franchise.

Nashville, I never quite understood buy they have been a solid franchise that has made themselves a respectable team people will watch.

I don't mind Carolina so much, like quite a few of their players. Tampa though, why the fuck does Florida get two teams and Quebec and Ontario only get one each?

Phoenix was the stupidest idea the NHL ever had, the country is huge and what possessed them to have an ice hockey team in the desert is way beyond me. Islanders I think would be much better if they could get quality goaltending on a regular basis and once the Yashin deal expires (next year)

They did the right thing with Atlanta, but it took them until the last minute to admit that they had failed. Think they'll try a third time in the future?

Hopefully, I would love 8 teams in Canada.

[Emperor Smeat]

Agreed. I have a hard time liking the idea of Nashville, but they are a stable franchise. So I cvan give them a pass. I hate that Carolina and Tampa have cups, but they make it work. The Traditionalist in me will never forget the Whalers, but if they can hold their own I am ok.

Phoenix needs to move TODAY. Put them in any of those cities. Or somewhere in Ontario. It will work. Phoenix is never going to work.

Florida needs to go. And the Islanders. Which sucks because they are a historic franchise.

Would keep Florida since their attendance and fan support level is decent and its not like Tampa has a huge advantage unlike the vast difference between the Rangers and Islanders in New York.

Makes a lot more sense to drop or move the Islanders and Phoenix considering both keep swapping each other every year for worst supported team and Phoenix was dead last this year even though they made the playoffs.

[YOUR Hero]

Islanders need a new rink in a new location. They have a decent fan base and an up and coming team. They can work given the right venue.

3 years go Nashville was sold to Basille.... remember. But the NHL stepped in and put a halt to tht. Nashville is only finally starting to work. I hope they do continue to work out, but time will tell.

Ontario does have two teams

[Gertner]

Wasted an hour of my life watching Pierre McGuire and Craig Button make nonsensical draft picks in a Mock Draft.

Good to see Pierre's blatant hate of foreign players hasn't changed. Grigorenko falling to 17th?

[Nicky Fives]

WHAM! BAM ! DOUBLE DION! I love Pierre.....

[SammyG]

Wanted to see Quickie get the Vezina, but I guess he's got the Cup and the Conn Smyth, so...

[weather vane]

Jordan Staal's wedding tomorrow here. Crosby and all the boys in town, pretty funny.

[Emperor Smeat]

Somehow the Kings lost the championship puck with nobody knowing where it is and apparently it got lost around the time of the celebratory team handshake. The Devils are currently denying they have the puck although its assumed Patrik Elias actually has the puck.

Tim Thomas waves his no trade clause which could allow the Bruins to trade him for a draft pick or more since he wants to take a year off and gives the team a way to potentially avoid having Thomas's guaranteed salary eat up cap space for next season.

[LoDownM]

Damn @ Staal being traded to the Hurricanes :(

[Corndad]

Crazy moves by Pens tonight and sounds like Shero's not done. All the Cap room makes them players for Free Agency. Lord here we go.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Islanders trade for Lubomir Visnovsky...and then he immediately announces that he's mulling staying in Slovakia or going to the KHL.

This could only happen to the Isles.</font>

[El Fangel]

Literally nothing has gone right for them in this millennium besides Tavares, Moulson and Nielson.

[YOUR Hero]

So I read that The Islanders floated the idea of swapping their #4 pick and all their picks this year with Columbus for their #2 pick. Islanders said no according to the story.

[LoDownM]

Amazing Hall of Fame class this year. Sakic, Sundin, Oates, and Bure.

[Skippord]

Super Joeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

also one hell of a day for Adam Oates

[RaginRonic]

Ronic,

welcome, but shhhh a little. Thre are some knowlegable guys that post in here. No need to come in and stirrrrrr the waters and make people think you're a foolish blow-hard. Just post 'normal'

I was posting normally, Y.H. I'm not going to filter myself just to please people. If people get their heads cut off by me wherever I post on the internet, tough shit.

And you need to spell correctly here.

[Skippord]

how do you feel about those dastardly NHL bastards giving the Oilers the first pick in the draft three years in a row where it should be going to hard working AMERICAN teams like the Columbus Blue Jackets?

[YOUR Hero]

If Calgary thinks Wideman is worth a little over 5million a year, what the heck is Suter going to be offered.

[El Fangel]

7 Id go.

[weather vane]

Wideman lol

[Arashi Kage]

Crosby reported to sign a 12 year deal with the Pens. I grew up with the Pens being my favorite team, and formally - although all my hockey heros are long gone (Lemieux, Francis, Jagr, Coffey) - the Pens retain the formal title of "favorite team", but I can't help but be a little dissapointed, lol.

Would have loved to see Crosby say, "listen, I've given the Pens the start of my career, but I grew up dreaming of playing for the Habs - that's where I'm going."

[MVP]

Calgary is gonna be hating that deal they shelled out to Wideman.

[YOUR Hero]

Salary cap is increasing to 70.2 million

that's nother 6 million, that's not insignificant.

[Hanso Amore]

Fuuuuucking Sabres.

Got me worried. They have money to spend, and in a weak market are going to do something stupid. I just feel it.

They are in a weird spot. Were heavy favorites last year, shit hit the fan, and now they are stuck between blow it up rise it out.

Seems as though Grigorenko is going to be on the team this year. But where does he play? Unless they move Ennis back to wing he is going to be the 4th line center.

Roy
Ennis
Hodgson
Grigorenko

Not alot of Defense of Size up the middle...

So does he go to the wing to start like Seguin? As it stands buffalo is wing heavy. Seems like a few lines are locked up unless they can unload Roy, which I pray for everyday.

[YOUR Hero]

Buffalo is close. I can see them surprising people next year. It shoudn't be a surprise, ecause they were expected to be a top team last year but failed to deliver. If they deliver this year (early) they'll be where they were thought to be last year.

[YOUR Hero]

but LOL, I have a slight feeling you might get your first Hodgson mumblings this year

[Hanso Amore]

The team is just in a weird Transition almost. They Traded Gaustad who has worn an A for years. They are trying to trade Roy who is in the same boat.

Obviously this all goes back to July 1 2007 - The worst day in Buffalo ever. Losing Drury and Briere was the end of it all. Darcy had to panic and start handing out contracts to the "Young Core" - Then Edmonton the assholes had to go an Offer Sheet Vanek. So Vanek got 50 million, then Darcy panicked and handed out contracts to Roy, Gaustad, Pomminville, Hecht, Stafford Twice Etc.

but Hecht is UFA, and with Roy on his way out, and Goose gone, they are breaking up that core. Almost like starting over, but not. Vanek and Pommers will stay and I like that. But its like they are ready to reload with Ennis, Hodgson, Myers, Foligno (who might crack the top 6 this year) and more.

Sabres have some real upside in young talent. But if they want to push them into the NHL its almost a rebuilding mode.

This year should see Foligno spend the year in the NHL, Brayden McNabb SHOULD be o nthe roster, he is ready. Corey tropp should also make it to the NHL this year. Nice 4th liner.

Add in Grigs and this a young team. Really only older vets would be Regehr and Leopold.

[LoDownM]

All this talk on NHL Network about Parise and Ryan Suter maybe going to the Pens. Seems like a good idea, not getting my hopes up tho.

[Blitz]

There's rumours about Parise and Suter going to every single team in the NHL.

[LoDownM]

All they talked about was Parise resigning with the Devils or going to the Pens or Red Wings. Then they went on about how Suter and him played somewhere else before.

Well when they weren't talking about Canadian teams since it was TSN's coverage being shown on NHL Network.

[YOUR Hero]

Parise is rumoured to also go to The wild, since he's from that area.

The Oilers landed Shultz - a free agent Dman that's coming out of the college ranks. He's a highly coveted prspect, if he pns out, boy th Oil are going to be a team to recon with soon

[YOUR Hero]

oh wow, Stars signed Ray Whitney for 2 years - Stars have said they'll be agressive

[Nicky Fives]

Montreal landed Francis Bouillon and I couldn't be more happy...... I loved him during his first run, Prust is also a great signing for them.....

[YOUR Hero]

Alex Radulov signs 4-year KHL contract; will NHL ever see him again?

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/alex-radulov-signs-4-khl-contract-nhl-ever-140352749--nhl.html

LOL. what a guy...

[YOUR Hero]

Martin Brodeur stays with NJ Devils after leveraging 2-year deal

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/martin-brodeur-stays-nj-devils-leveraging-2-deal-130351509--nhl.html

If I would have had to see him in a BlackHawks jersey, that would have sucked.

[El Fangel]

Excited to see Prust on the Habs.

[YOUR Hero]

Flames signed Hudler to a 4 year deal. Kind thought the Red Wings would have kept him

[El Fangel]

He is a streaky one he is.

[YOUR Hero]

oh boy

[Hanso Amore]

Goodbye Derek Roy

Hello Steve Ott

Gerbe Ott Kaleta

Agitator line to the max

[Nicky Fives]

Price resigned in MTL for 6 years..... excellent.....

[YOUR Hero]

Goodbye Derek Roy

Hello Steve Ott

Gerbe Ott Kaleta

Agitator line to the max

The Canucks tried t get Ott at the deadline last year. He's gritty and can get points. He'sgood in his own end, and usually plays against the other teams tp line. This is a nice move.

[LoDownM]

Parise and Suter to the Wild for 13 years each. Knew I shouldnt of got my hopes up.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol the Wild are idiots. No player is ever worth a contract that long, let alone two of them.</font>

[BollywoodSingh]

A little late but I don't agree with Sundin getting into the Hall of Fame before Shanahan. Toronto media bias.

[Nicky Fives]

Parise and Suter to the Wild for 13 years each. Knew I shouldnt of got my hopes up.

how did you think Pitt was going to afford them both with Malkin/Fleury/Crosby contracts?

[Hanso Amore]

how did you think Pitt was going to afford them both with Malkin/Fleury/Crosby contracts?

a 70 million dollar cap, thats how

[YOUR Hero]

Parise and Suter to the Wild for 13 years each. Knew I shouldnt of got my hopes up.

I feel Parise is 'kinda' worth that money, but Suter isn't.... but look at what guys like Wideman are getting

[El Fangel]

You think Suter isn't worth the money? You dont get much attention when you have a Norris Trophy candidate as your partner. Guy is the goods and worth every cent in my opinion.

[YOUR Hero]

and you don't think him playing alongside Weber doesn't help his game?

I believe the market on Dmen is out of balance right now. like I said

Parise, captain of his team, makes to t the cup finals, Suter an anchor of a rising team that could contend for years. -They both leave promising teams to play with each other on a team that is still missing a lot of pieces. I dunno, even though they took their time to make a decision, I don't think it was very well thought out by either of them.

[LoDownM]

how did you think Pitt was going to afford them both with Malkin/Fleury/Crosby contracts?

a 70 million dollar cap, thats how

That and they actually gave themselves more cap room trading away Staal and Michalek. Don't think they would've signed them for 13 years either, maybe 5ish.

[El Fangel]

and you don't think him playing alongside Weber doesn't help his game?

I believe the market on Dmen is out of balance right now. like I said

Parise, captain of his team, makes to t the cup finals, Suter an anchor of a rising team that could contend for years. -They both leave promising teams to play with each other on a team that is still missing a lot of pieces. I dunno, even though they took their time to make a decision, I don't think it was very well thought out by either of them.

Inversely, It could have easily been Suter who made Weber look good.

[Curtis Anderson]

Weber was certainly the best of the pair. His statistics prove it. Suter is competent, but he is not worth all that money.

[Kapoutman]

I have Suter as a protected player in my fantasy hockey league. I sure hope all of you guys are wrong and he's going to score 10000 points and beat the record for most points by a defenseman.

[El Fangel]

He will hit 40 and maybe crack 50 in my opinion.

[Kapoutman]

Or 10000.

[YOUR Hero]

The silver lining in all of this might be that Weber will move from the Preds to the Canucks net year.

[El Fangel]

For what exactly?

[YOUR Hero]

money

[El Fangel]

Is he not signed in Nashville for a bit? *runs to check*

[El Fangel]

It would appear Mr. Weber is to be a RFA at the end of this contract. Well now, that could put Nashville in a dilly of a pickle capwise..wait a second. They have the least amount committed and likely will offer him an obscene amount of money for his services.

[YOUR Hero]

Money isn't what kept Parise and Suter from signing with thier original team.

[Curtis Anderson]

I really could see Weber moving to another team in the middle of the year. Maybe Nashville will try to trade him instead of losing him to another team for nothing at the end of the season.

[Emperor Smeat]

Potential for the discussions involving the new CBA to get ugly soon since the owners laid down the hammer in their first proposal.

Some of the demands include:
* 19% decrease in the player's side of revenue sharing which drops their overall amount from the current 57% to the proposed 46% for the players-owners split.
* Contracts no longer than 5 years anymore.
* Players must earn 10 years of career time before they can apply for unrestricted free agent status regardless of their age.
* No more signing bonuses
* No more scaled yearly salaries where the back-end is more wealthy than the front-end.

Union already said they will be willing to play into part of next season without a CBA while the owners made no guarantees.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8166038/nhl-first-cba-offer-nhlpa-reportedly-features-big-givebacks

[El Fangel]

Ugh, this is becoming a tradition. They need a deal hammered out that will be in place for years. Trying to get more fans in America while having a lockout three times in 16 years is not going to work well for them.

[YOUR Hero]

Crazy how the teams(owners) make all these crazy front loaded deals to the players and now are crying

[LoDownM]

Really hope their isn't another fucking lockout.

[Kapoutman]

If there is a lock-out, I'm going to New York and pooping on Gary Bettman's front porch.

[Adder]

low-ball offer to get things started. typical tactic

[El Fangel]

Flyers ink Weber to a 14 year contract.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/shea-weber-inks-14-offer-sheet-philadelphia-flyers-052925384--nhl.html

[Wake Up Call]

Flyers ink Weber to a 14 year contract.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/shea-weber-inks-14-offer-sheet-philadelphia-flyers-052925384--nhl.html


Cindy Crosby isn't going to be happy about this.... :rofl:

[El Fangel]

Shut up.

[YOUR Hero]

I would be surprised if Nashville didn't match. pretty smart of Philly, it mens that it is either Nashville or Philadelphia that gets him. Takes all other teams out of the process.

[LoDownM]

Isn't he a RFA? That means Nashville can still match the offer and keep him if they wanted to.

And even so, it's the Flyers, he'll be traded in 3 years. The Flyers, signing people to long term contracts, then trading them in 3 years since 2011.

[YOUR Hero]

yes Nashville can match. Or decine and take 4 1st round picks for him

[Kapoutman]

But since it's Philadelphia we're talking about, the draft picks would suck anyway because they always end up near the top. I think that four draft picks that end up being 20th or over could be worth it for Weber.

[LoDownM]

Either way, Nashville could get screwed imo. They'll have Weber eating up cap space for 14 years, assuming they don't trade him, if they match. Plus, if the next four years are weak draft class's, they are screwed there too.

[YOUR Hero]

This offer sheet is going to put a bigger divide between the ownership groups. The rich and the poor

[RaginRonic]

Shut up.

Wow....real original comment here, F.A. Seems to be the only one in your nearly empty bag of tricks, huh? =P

Anyhoop...how about someone here slipping me an over-under on long you guys think it'll take for Gary to take out his gun and force Fehr to blow his wrinkled 60-year old prick? =P

Only thing Gary wants to do is continually blow his seed all over the NHL like the league is his own personal whore, like Gary Fairy has always lusted for in his own fucked-up career.

Gary's not a real man at all. He's a moronic fucking pussy with no god damn courage.

:foc: :) :D

[El Fangel]

Shut up.

[YOUR Hero]

Wow....real original comment here, F.A. Seems to be the only one in your nearly empty bag of tricks, huh? =P

Anyhoop...how about someone here slipping me an over-under on long you guys think it'll take for Gary to take out his gun and force Fehr to blow his wrinkled 60-year old prick? =P

Only thing Gary wants to do is continually blow his seed all over the NHL like the league is his own personal whore, like Gary Fairy has always lusted for in his own fucked-up career.

Gary's not a real man at all. He's a moronic fucking pussy with no god damn courage.

:foc: :) :D

Gary has to balance everything hrough the prism of to ownership group philosophies. As much slack as he deserves to get, I doubt anyone would do a better job with the divide that isit between the ownership camps and the 'VS' attitude that also exist between owners and players.

He is an easy target, he's smug and comes off may too elitist, but the guy has done prttey good considering what he has to work with.

[Skippord]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Rick Nash trade to New York Rangers in process now. Details to follow.</p>&mdash; Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/227465796648042496" data-datetime="2012-07-23T18:10:46+00:00">July 23, 2012</a></blockquote>

[YOUR Hero]

Scott Howson got nothing really, Nash to NYR for Dubinsky and not much else.

[asphyXy]

http://www.snyrangersblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/nash_rangers1q2-560x315.jpg

[Adder]

Nashville matched the Flyers offer sheet for Weber

[El Fangel]

Thank fuck. I have Rinne in two leagues lol.

[Lui Kang]

The Canucks and Jason Arnott are reportedly in talks.

[Lui Kang]

Scott Howson got nothing really, Nash to NYR for Dubinsky and not much else.

On the contrary.

Although it may not appear to be much, this type of deal may greatly benefit Columbus in the future.

Nash, as great a player as he is, is not worth 7.8 million dollars per season.

[Hanso Amore]

Nash puts up the same numbers as Thomas Vanek...Would you trade what the rangers did for him?

NOPE.

Rangers GM bought into the hype. And traded a GOOD NHL Forward, a Good Young NHL Forward, a Great Defensive prospect and a first. Good value for columbus. Now the trick is landing on a few draft picks.

[SammyG]

GO KINGS GO

[YOUR Hero]

On the contrary.

Although it may not appear to be much, this type of deal may greatly benefit Columbus in the future.

Nash, as great a player as he is, is not worth 7.8 million dollars per season.

He could have made this deal a long time go, without the long process. (is more my point)

[YOUR Hero]

Bettman says NHL will lock out players if no new CBA deal in place by Sept. 15

Thirty-seven days.

That's how much time remains for the NHL and its players' association to bridge a wide gap in collective bargaining negotiations or face another lockout.

Commissioner Gary Bettman made it clear during Thursday's bargaining session in New York that the league is prepared to lock out its players when the current agreement expires Sept. 15.

[...]

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/48215-Bettman-says-NHL-will-lock-out-players-if-no-new-CBA-deal-in-place-by-Sept-15.html

[YOUR Hero]

So the players gave their counter-proposal and they've made some concessions, that has ownership surprised. This is a good sign, that the 2 sides will work together and get something done.

[Arashi Kage]

No matter how much money the players end up keeping, I really hope that the NHL will successfully include the 5 year limit on contracts.

No more of these grand 15 year deals that are front loaded in order to circumvent the cap hit. Whatever the player is earning in a given season, must be the cap hit for that given season.

I do hope that the cap is successfully lowered. It's crazy how much the cap ceiling has increased since it first came into effect.

Hopefully the NHL can avoid losing another season. If it happens again, can we expect a lockout every time the CBA ends? :(

[El Fangel]

Pretty much. I love hockey but I really am getting sick of this to the point I don't want to watch anymore.

They need the available to abolish one contract per team ala buyout but half cost or something for twice as many years as the contract or something that could rid a team of a Gomez contract.

[Stickman]

Owners just need to quit being stupid and offering these retarded contracts.

[SammyG]

NHL 13 Demo looks sweeeeeeeet

[JimmyMess]

Pretty much. I love hockey but I really am getting sick of this to the point I don't want to watch anymore.



If there is another lockout, I'm done. If I have kids they are playing baseball.

[YOUR Hero]

They ended p cancelling today's meeting. Set for tommorow, LOL

[Hanso Amore]

If this happens that will be the 3rd NHL stoppage that I can remember in my life.

Baseball only had 94.

NFL had one in the 80s then last years offseason lockout.

NBA has had two lockouts effect season play.

NHL kills itself with CBA bullshit.

The NFL made it happen and havent missed a game in 20 years plus. That is why it is the fucking king of American sports.

[Adder]

90 minutes and done yesterday. Not getting together again until sometime next week.

[YOUR Hero]

New offer by the owners. Now the players will review it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Meetings broke down again with 2 weeks left in the deadline and it doesn't look good considering both sides are still too far apart but not bad enough to potentially kill the upcoming season.

[Nicky Fives]

looks like we'll have to settle for NFL..... fuck do I hate Gary Bettman......

[YOUR Hero]

Bettman is just the talking head. Hate the owners

[Gertner]

I honestly can say I have never card less about hockey

[Arashi Kage]

Now, I've been a huge anti-Buttman NHL fan since he assumed power in the NHL, however, as much as I dislike Bettman, prior to and after to listening to his live press conference on cbc.ca this afternoon, I still (unbelievably) am on Bettman's (Ownership) side with the new CBA negotiations.

Absolutely can't stand Fehr as part of the NHLPA. Dislike his background with the MLB (and the '94 strike), and with his brother getting to simply jump in as the #2 man - just seems wrong to me.

Never imagined that I'd ever find someone involved with my beloved NHL to dislike more than Buttman, but that man is Donald Fehr. :foc:

On an LOL note, was amused when Bettman made mention of the improved parity during the about to expire (current) CBA, "...29 different teams have made the playoffs during this past CBA...".

......Poor Leafs :wave: lol

[Adder]

You side with - because of your personal feelings on the people representing , not the issue?

Odd.

[Arashi Kage]

The whole like / dislike thing is fundamentally based on the issues. I side with Buttman because I agree with his stance on the issues (hell has frozen over, lol).

[Emperor Smeat]

In about an hour from now, the NHL will officially start its lockout since the first attempt by the players to have it broken in the courts failed.

The NHLPA wanted an extension to prevent the deadline from occurring while the courts said no for now but will officially considering hearing the case at a later date.

The owners are happy it failed but at the same time are pissed since they didn't plan on the players finding an actual Canadian law that could end the lockout quickly before the owners are able to capitalize on a desperate union for more concessions.

[El Fangel]

Quebec is good for something. [/CanadianShisen]

[James Steele]

How in the hell can the NHL and NHLPA be dumb enough to let this happen? The league almost died and still hasn't recovered from the last lockout. While I'm not a hardcore fan and don't know all the details of the negotiations, I enjoy hockey and hope they figure this out.

[Emperor Smeat]

From what I understand, the owners learned nothing from the last lockout just like the NBA owners. Still giving out horrible contracts and complaining about the salary caps or tax fees even though they are making more money this time than before the last lockout.

The union itself isn't as stubborn but also not as aggressive in getting a deal done since they know they can play in other leagues in Europe if the season is cancelled.

The CBA is almost the same as the one used by the NBA although the main difference is Stern is a lot stronger than Betterman and the caps being a joke since big market teams just ignore them.

[El Fangel]

Might go kill myself in a few hours.

[Nicky Fives]

They know that they can get away with another lockout in Canada because we Canadians will always watch and the few hundred loyal fans in the States will follow as well, the general public of America that they were trying to win over will be the ones who won't give a shit.....

[YOUR Hero]

Malkin and Gonchar already signed with the KHL

[Mike the Metal Ed]

When was this other lockout people keep talking about? I know of 94/95 and 04/05, surely they can't lose another full or even half a season without working something out.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>A bunch of tiny hockey leagues benefited during the last lockout by signing a bunch of NHL guys.

Time for the Danbury Whalers to bring Jonathan Quick back to Connecticut.</font> :shifty:

[Emperor Smeat]

So which league gets to have the Stanley Cup this season if the NHL ends up loosing the season?

[El Fangel]

1) Extend current CBA to end of season
2) Work shit out during season
3) Keep fans happy
4) ???
5) Profit

[Mike the Metal Ed]

If there is a lock-out, I'm going to New York and pooping on Gary Bettman's front porch.

I'm waiting...

[El Fangel]

So pissed right now.

[El Fangel]

Someone submitted an opinion piece in our paper, stating that Sidney Crosby and Mario Lemeuix should meet at a local tavern and with fan input, write the new CBA.

My response got published :)

http://i.imgur.com/TTVYi.jpg

[LoDownM]

Preseason is basically canceled now. Looks like its going to be a long fall/winter :(.

[YOUR Hero]

cant wait for another winter of Texas Hold'em

[OssMan]

Someone submitted an opinion piece in our paper, stating that Sidney Crosby and Mario Lemeuix should meet at a local tavern and with fan input, write the new CBA.

My response got published :)

http://i.imgur.com/TTVYi.jpg
You seem like the type of person who would call into a sports radio show hot headed after a loss and start calling for every coach to be fired etc. Then they cut you off and move on to the next person.

[El Fangel]

Nah, I blame Scott Gomez.

[Nicky Fives]

Nah, I blame Scott Gomez.

:rofl:

[YOUR Hero]

I just dont care. Baseball has been my 1st passion for quite some time. Hockey is diluted and the style of play has become more cautious, there is little to excite me. THEN there are the lockouts. I personally never recovered fully from the last lockout. I became more of a casual observer than a die hard fan. I know I'm just one person, but I bet I'm not alone in my feelings

[The Fraze]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/532133_10151024766511254_785269953_n.jpg

[El Fangel]

I just dont care. Baseball has been my 1st passion for quite some time. Hockey is diluted and the style of play has become more cautious, there is little to excite me. THEN there are the lockouts. I personally never recovered fully from the last lockout. I became more of a casual observer than a die hard fan. I know I'm just one person, but I bet I'm not alone in my feelings

You aren't. I care less now then I ever have about hockey. Considering starting to watch football more now that hockey isn't available.

[SammyG]

Kings will be defending champs for 2 years.

[Fignuts]

The Fraze is the most confusing poster, ever to grace these forums, I swear to god.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, who in the fuck is a Sharks fan?

[Fignuts]

Like, we are having this big discussion about the lockout that has been going on for several pages, and he randomly posts a sharks promotional image.

I mean what is this I don't even

[El Fangel]

I suppose I can feel for him. I have been painting the Habs logo on the wall for days now.

I don't have any paint.

[Blitz]

I'm choosing to believe Brian Burke knew the lockout was coming and that's why he did fuck all for the Leafs in the off season.

[El Fangel]

He truly knows everything about hockey.

[YOUR Hero]

Burke has a disfunctional team of execs. He has to go or get that in order

[Adder]

TORONTO (AP) -- The NHL and its players' union plan to resume bargaining Friday for the first time since the league's lockout started, but the talks are to focus on non-core economic issues.
Deputy commissioner Bill Daly and NHL Players' Association special counsel Steve Fehr met Tuesday in Toronto and scheduled the session. The session will be in New York.

[weather vane]

this is so brtl

[Emperor Smeat]

First two weeks or roughly 82 overall games of the season has just been cancelled since the NHL doesn't believe any deal will be done before the start of the season.

In terms of negotiations, neither side is discussing "core" issues and even the stuff that has less priority is causing disputes between both sides.

Probably safe to assume this season will be completely dead if the lockout ends up killing off the Winter Classic this year.

[Evil Vito]

This league is a joke.

[El Fangel]

If they do return, a boycott of the Winter Classic by fans in that city would be amazing. Show how pissed they are.

[LoDownM]

Fucking hell, guess I'll start watching Basketball, go Heat/Lakers/Bulls/whoever else is good or something like that.

[Skippord]

ROOT FOR THE NUGGETS YOU FUCK

[Skippord]

the Nuggets actually are pretty good now too :'(

[YOUR Hero]

bring on the texas hold'em

[The Fraze]

Fuck basketball. And fuck the lockout.

[Adder]

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Kontinental Hockey League says some of its games will be broadcast in the United States (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/london-2012/united-states/) on ESPN3 during the NHL lockout.

The Russian-based league announced on its website Tuesday that it plans to air five games in the next week on ESPN's the online streaming service.

However, ESPN spokesman Josh Krulewitz said ''the agreement is not finalized.''
The KHL website indicated the first game shown will be between Dynamo Moscow and Ak Bars on Wednesday. Four other games were listed through Oct. 9.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/khl-plans-hockey-broadcasts-us-204507584--nhl.html

[BCWWF]

Parise and Suter.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I think until lifted this should just be renamed the NHL 2012-13 Lockout thread.

[El Fangel]

Why? Its still the offseason.

[weather vane]

This is so fun!

[Adder]

Owners put out a new deal today. asking for a 50-50 split of the revenues.
my gut is that is what they wanted all along.

[weather vane]

Things are looking up! Might even get a full season fuck...

[RP]

Think i might get the Online games package thing if they have it this year, but only if i can replay the game because i cant watch live games everynight. But if I can take my lappy to work and watch games, that would be Sketti and Butter.

[Evil Vito]

Donald Fehr has urged the players to not accept the 50/50 offer, saying it will still greatly reduce salaries in the long run.

It never ends.

[RP]

I'm done if they dont. I got better shit to do than to spend a couple grand on jerseys, nhl package and tickets/gas/food to drive to Chicago. I'm just not gunna bother really. I'm getting tired of sports period. I have a tough time getting fired up for NFL games even.

[Emperor Smeat]

Donald Fehr has urged the players to not accept the 50/50 offer, saying it will still greatly reduce salaries in the long run.

It never ends.

They'd be really stupid not to although he's right in a way since the owners lied a lot about loosing money when the league has made billions since the last lockout. Also the owners probably will lock them out the next time considering their goal has always been the players share to be between 43-47% in the end.

[SammyG]

I'm done if they dont. I got better shit to do than to spend a couple grand on jerseys, nhl package and tickets/gas/food to drive to Chicago. I'm just not gunna bother really. I'm getting tired of sports period. I have a tough time getting fired up for NFL games even.
wait, what? Really? You're not a diehard Colts fan anymore?

[owenbrown]

Why is it only MLB the only one of the big 4 to have their shit together recently with all these labor problems in the other leagues?

[SammyG]

Seriously, as fucked up as it is to say, Bud Selig is the best commish in sports now.

[Emperor Smeat]

Why is it only MLB the only one of the big 4 to have their shit together recently with all these labor problems in the other leagues?

I think it was because their recent CBA was more about stuff regarding the owners side of the league like luxury taxes and playoffs than the other leagues where the biggest reason was to mainly reduce player revenue percentages.

Only the NFL managed to come up with something nice in that whatever the players lost as a percentage, it went to pensions and health insurance costs. Players gave up money now for the guarantee of better pensions while the owners didn't just pocket it like the NBA and NHL want.

[El Fangel]

wait, what? Really? You're not a diehard Colts fan anymore?

I was hoping this would deliver.

[SammyG]

I'm still curious about this

[owenbrown]

I think it was because their recent CBA was more about stuff regarding the owners side of the league like luxury taxes and playoffs than the other leagues where the biggest reason was to mainly reduce player revenue percentages.

Only the NFL managed to come up with something nice in that whatever the players lost as a percentage, it went to pensions and health insurance costs. Players gave up money now for the guarantee of better pensions while the owners didn't just pocket it like the NBA and NHL want.

You would think all parties involved in the NHL would have learned something from the last time.

[RP]

wait, what? Really? You're not a diehard Colts fan anymore?

Die hard for life. I'm just talking about the NFL period tho. I watch the Colts ( as tough as it is ), but really have not had much interest in any other games or fantasy football or any of that stuff. I know the Falcons are undefeated, but i couldnt tell you who's leading the division or who has the most stats. I know where the Colts stand and thats about it. I just dont get into it like i used to. Not sure why. I used to get hyped for Sunday and Monday night games no matter who played.

Hockey however, was just really peaking my interest. And now this shit.

[SammyG]

Is it maybe because the Colts are not dominant like they used to be? Or sports is really just pissing you off that much with the business side of it? And yeah, this hockey lockout sucks. Games canceled up to Nov. 1st now

[RP]

Is it maybe because the Colts are not dominant like they used to be? Or sports is really just pissing you off that much with the business side of it? And yeah, this hockey lockout sucks. Games canceled up to Nov. 1st now

No i'm still a huge Colts fan. Going to the game this week. I just dont get into football Sunday much anymore. I have the sunday ticket. I like it, but i find myself getting bored watching other teams. I dont have the interest i once did. Maybe i'll get it back. I dunno. Focusing on other things anyways so... Really miss hockey tho. I miss seeing Kaner and Toews skate the ice.

[Emperor Smeat]

NHL announced the next two weeks worth of games now canned and new earliest date possible is November 1st for a season.

Also hinted the next cut will be a lot larger than 2 weeks and the cut follow that potentially kills off the Winter Classic. Next cut occurs in a week if no new deal is done.

According to the NHLPA, the owners appeared to have pulled back the 50-50 offer which is why everything stalled right now.

[SammyG]

There will not be a season.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Then this is actually the 2011-2012 Post Season thread or the Pre-Season Thread of 2013-14.

[owenbrown]

Then this is actually the 2011-2012 Post Season thread or the Pre-Season Thread of 2016-17.

[Evil Vito]

The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn.

[Splaya]

No i'm still a huge Colts fan. Going to the game this week. I just dont get into football Sunday much anymore. I have the sunday ticket. I like it, but i find myself getting bored watching other teams. I dont have the interest i once did. Maybe i'll get it back. I dunno. Focusing on other things anyways so... Really miss hockey tho. I miss seeing Kaner and Toews skate the ice.

NFL Redzone fixes that problem. Trust me

[YOUR Hero]

The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn.
was it 2015?

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeup they will move in and share the building the Nets in the NBA are going to use in Brooklyn.

Team has no plans of extended the lease at Long Island but also agreed to let it run out before the move which is why its planned for 2015. Also won't be changing the logo or team name once they move to Brooklyn.

[Emperor Smeat]

NHL already playing its hand for what the punishments will be once today's deadline passes by saying the 50-50 proposal and other offers will be pulled and won't be coming back.

Probably won't be until the weekend for earliest announcement of the next set of season games getting killed off. Winter Classic won't be canned this time but very likely its in the next set of games and by the point probably no hopes of a season at all.

[weather vane]

I could give a fuck about the Winter Classic and All Star game at this point... Just give me a season.

[YOUR Hero]

Still not missing any of it

[ClockShot]

All November games are gone.

[weather vane]

whered they go?

[ClockShot]

Europe, probably.

There's where everybody is flocking to get playing time.

[weather vane]

What the heck?

[YOUR Hero]

http://www.hockeytube.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/PGSpruceKings3D.png

[YOUR Hero]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLyWwMAYauWQJZ9lacWUk31idFunsx-7kulTj3lAGR5PeOoQAYdmmGxD9j

[YOUR Hero]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5s_r6fpFDTU/TK4uha07gVI/AAAAAAAAE78/F7gNG77jjvw/s1600/PG+Cougars+logo.jpg

[YOUR Hero]

First to are Junior A
Last is the WHL

That's where I'll focus my attention

[Emperor Smeat]

Winter Classic got cancelled.

NHL also has to pay a portion of the $3 million lease they reserved for the event at the University of Michigan.

[RP]

bye

[SammyG]

They are not playing at all.

[owenbrown]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1914/123ml.jpg

[OssMan]

Do you really "score" with your wife?

I thought that's like the same thing as "hooking up," it's just between people who aren't in a relationship with each other

[Adder]

The under bosses seemed to have sparked talk. Good. I tried to replace hockey with football. Couldn't do it.

They talked all day yesterday and are supposed to continue today.

[RP]

I really dont want to watch unless they play a full season, but i probably wont watch if they dont move on with the Winter Classic. It's one of my favorite days of the year and i fucking love the HBO special. It's really one of the best shows on television.

[YOUR Hero]

No full season

[El Fangel]

If and when the season starts, do you think anyone would care besides Toronto fans who would line the streets to fellate him like every other "godsend"?

[Adder]

supposed to be talks today. The NHL's "lets take two weeks off" has backfired in the eyes of fans and commentators. Don't know that it will amount to anything more than new talks.

not sure I care anymore

[El Fangel]

Lets take two weeks off = lets extend the lockout minimum another month.

[owenbrown]

can't wait for the full season to be locked out and when they return some abysmal team like Columbus will win the Stanley Cup. Book it.

[El Fangel]

Nathan MacKinnon is good son, but he isn't THAT good.

[Gertner]

I don't miss the NHL one bit. I don't think I'll watch as much when it comes back whenever it decides to.

[owenbrown]

you're just pissed that the Leafs will still be mediocre

[Gertner]

I've accepted the fact that they would have won the cup this year and have been celebrating accordingly.

[El Fangel]

I don't miss the NHL one bit. I don't think I'll watch as much when it comes back whenever it decides to.

This. Can't even give a fuck anymore.

I've accepted the fact that they would have won the cup this year and have been celebrating accordingly.

Need to make the playoffs first.

[El Fangel]

First time in years Toronto has been in 1st all season. Then again so are the Blue Jackets, so point is moot.

[weather vane]

Nobody is in first.

[El Fangel]

I'm not even going to explain.

Anyway, Rask for starter!

[owenbrown]

Lockout 1, Leafs 0 in a shootout

[weather vane]

Please explain Fallen Angel...

[El Fangel]

Please explain Fallen Angel...

Its a joke, how each team is tied with the other 29 at 0 points.

[weather vane]

I don't get it.

[El Fangel]

Nevermind.

[weather vane]

Bruins tied for first right now!

WOOOOOO!

[weather vane]

Evan Spilchuk tied for most goals in the league right now!!!


WOOOOOOO!

[El Fangel]

Leafs still haven't won a game.

[Emperor Smeat]

All games till December 14 now cancelled as well as he All-Star game which was supposed to occur on January 27.

In terms of money, both sides are just $200 million apart but nobody wants to bulge.

[Arashi Kage]

I'd really like to see a serious fan backlash against the NHLPA and NHL once hockey resumes. Fehr destroyed baseball in '94, he will leave his mark on our beloved NHL as well.

I haven't cared about baseball for the last 10 years, but with the Jays recent roster improvements, I'm pretty much ready to jump on the baseball band wagon and forget about hockey for a while (but I'm sure I'll tune in to HNIC to see Ron & Grapes - at least for their initial broadcast during the 60th year of HNIC).

When hockey finally resumes, if the NHL prints a large, stupid message across the neutral zone again (like "Thank you Fans"), I will cringe. Would love to see some tumble weeds blowing across arena seating. The league and players take the fans for granted, while happily taking all our hard earned cash. I hate to say it, but it's time to say "no" to professional (business) hockey... for a while, not forever :p.

[YOUR Hero]

Ask the baseball players if Fehr ruined baseball. Have you seen their salaries??

[El Fangel]

Told my wife I want no hockey stuff for Christmas this year, Fucking disgusted right now.

[owenbrown]

can't wait for the next Stanley Cup Finals to be Florida Panthers vs Phoenix Coyotes... RATINGS

[El Fangel]

Whats even more angering is WE the fans pay their salaries and we get treated like an afterthought.

[Emperor Smeat]

Season is considered to be dead if the lockout lasts by mid-January and that is including the time needed for pre-season warmups. Bettman already admitted the final sign is once it drops to less than a 48 game season.

[Nicky Fives]

Season was dead as soon as they called for a lockout.....

[El Fangel]

Still don't get why they left it until the last minute.

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm not coming back to this. I don't miss the NHL at all< especially since you're not allowed to hit anymore and fighting is basically gone. I've watched a lot of Basketball and have been reading a ton about my Blue Jays.

Good bye NHL.