Before or After: Triple H [Archive]

TheChamp

10-08-2011, 09:37 PM

This week, we will discuss The Cerebral Assassin, Triple H. Might not be the greatest "boss" around, but definitely one of the greatest wrestlers. There were probably better points in time I could've picked, but I decided on this one. So, without further ado, was The Game better before or after May 21, 2001 (the day he tore his quad the first time)?

Juan

10-08-2011, 09:47 PM

Before

Triple Naitch

10-08-2011, 09:48 PM

Took a break from wrestling in late 2000, so never saw much of his Evolution stuff. Gonna say before, with the McMahon-Helmsley Era.

Shisen Kopf

10-08-2011, 09:48 PM

Before

Triple Naitch

10-08-2011, 09:50 PM

Just read that HHH let Jericho put him in the Walls during the match where he tore his quad. Trips doesn't get enough credit for putting on a great show at any cost.

Tazz Dan

10-08-2011, 09:50 PM

Before

Xero

10-08-2011, 09:54 PM

Pre-quad he was definitely in the superior feuds. Rock, Foley, Austin, Taker, was apart of DX.

I'll go pre-quad. Post-quad was a bigger body of work but I don't feel it was anywhere near the quality of pre-quad. He had great matches, but something was off.

DLVH84

10-08-2011, 10:18 PM

Before would have to be his best decade. In the early years, especially when he was in WCW and his early WWF stuff, he could do a spinning heel kick.

Lock Jaw

10-08-2011, 10:25 PM

Pre. His initial "The Game" stuff was top-notch.

Pintint

10-08-2011, 10:48 PM

Before.

ZosoMetalManiac

10-09-2011, 05:15 AM

Before is my personal preference, but he always did great work.

Londoner

10-09-2011, 05:17 AM

Easily before, took me a while to get into him again after his injury.

Mantas

10-09-2011, 05:21 AM

Before easily. He was one of the best things in the company in 2000 and his evolution reign went on far too long.

Juan

10-09-2011, 06:02 AM

Before

if only for this moment

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Londoner

10-09-2011, 07:50 AM

if only for this moment

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Thanks for that, one of my favourite endings to raw ever.(pretty sure it was the end)

Aguakate

10-09-2011, 11:47 AM

Before.

RiX1024

10-09-2011, 12:13 PM

Before.

Londoner

10-09-2011, 12:14 PM

Its like an echo in this thread.

Aguakate

10-09-2011, 12:15 PM

ok TL

VSG

10-09-2011, 12:57 PM

Before would have to be his best decade. In the early years, especially when he was in WCW and his early WWF stuff, he could do a spinning heel kick.

lol

Stickman

10-09-2011, 01:15 PM

Before

stultiloquy

10-09-2011, 01:20 PM

Easily before.

Emperor Smeat

10-09-2011, 03:22 PM

Before.

While the early years of the Brand Split had RAW revolves around him and he had some great feuds and moments, he had a lot more memorable moments and feuds before his quad was torn.

The injury alone cost him from participating in the Invasion storyline and also ended up costing him the chance of being the 1st ever Undisputed Champion because Jericho benefited the most once Triple H was out.

Xero

10-09-2011, 04:56 PM

Before would have to be his best decade. In the early years, especially when he was in WCW and his early WWF stuff, he could do a spinning heel kick.

Yeah, that's why everyone loves him before. Because of his WCW run and his run as Hunter Hearst Helmsley. After that it was all down hill.

DLVH84

10-09-2011, 05:27 PM

At least he could fly a little bit.

CSL

10-09-2011, 05:30 PM

absolutely what matters

DLVH84

10-09-2011, 05:50 PM

It's just that the torn quad really limited his ability. Before that, he could do anything in the ring.

10-09-2011, 06:09 PM

lol. Come on.

You think he couldn't do a spinning heel kick on Raw tomorrow night?

His style changed/he started to carry more body mass but that has zero bearing on most peoples' perception of him. Except you, of course.

"Before the quad tear" also inculdes his run in DX and as "The Game" in the Main Event. That's the stuff people liked about "before".

Theo Dious

10-10-2011, 01:01 AM

Everything has already been said. Definitely before. He has done greatness since he came back, but nothing so impressive as what he did as he rose to and claimed greatness for his own.

Theo Dious

10-10-2011, 01:03 AM

Also, I'm sure HHH could bust out a spinning heel kick any time he wanted to. But ask the person who would be taking the brunt of it if he SHOULD bust it out.

James Steele

10-10-2011, 02:26 AM

I am quite torn on this question mentally, physically, and spiritually. I have sat here for 39 minutes racking my brain to compare and contrast the moments of these 2 eras of Triple H's career, and yet I find myself still unsure of which is truly better in my eyes. Therefore, it is with tears in my eyes that I must say they are both equally awe-inspiring and fucking better than whoever your favorite wrestler is.

Mr. JL

10-10-2011, 12:29 PM

I prefer his work BEFORE his quad injury but I think he is going to be primarily remembered for his stuff AFTER his quad injury, which ranges from lackluster to spectacular.

Seth82

10-10-2011, 02:13 PM

definitely before

his stuff from 1998-2000 was pure greatness

although I just love when people laugh and point at DLVH84 because he's a knowledgable fan

because being a knowledgable fan on this board somehow is a bad thing I guess

we get it you don't care about stuff that happened before the attitude era and anyone who watches wrestling from Japan or CWA Germany must be an idiot

that's why I don't post a whole helluva lot on this portion of the board

Lock Jaw

10-10-2011, 02:17 PM

I think it was more the emphasis on being able to do a spinning heel kick.

Londoner

10-10-2011, 02:18 PM

although I just love when people laugh and point at DLVH84 because he's a knowledgable fan

because being a knowledgable fan on this board somehow is a bad thing I guess

we get it you don't care about stuff that happened before the attitude era and anyone who watches wrestling from Japan or CWA Germany must be an idiot

that's why I don't post a whole helluva lot on this portion of the board

Think you've missed the point

CSL

10-10-2011, 02:24 PM

like really missed the point

Seth82

10-10-2011, 02:27 PM

that's not the only reason I posted it

I posted that because it seems people don't like DLVH84 and doesn't like people who are knowledgable

Seth82

10-10-2011, 02:28 PM

Londoner

10-10-2011, 02:36 PM

like really missed the point

CSL said it best.

Seth82

10-10-2011, 02:50 PM

sure MOST here like and probably know him best from his DX and The Game era but perhaps some did like WCW run

he was really interesting I have to say as the snobby french Jean Paul Levesque and his initial WWF run

Xero

10-10-2011, 03:31 PM

We wouldn't be having this conversation if he retired before he went to WWF, though. He was just another decent worker who would have just been lost in the shuffle of time. He would have been mentioned in "Workers with potential who never went anywhere" threads and that's about it.

I'm not saying his WCW run was bad (personally can't say because I've seen maybe one of his WCW matches, if that), nor that he wasn't enjoyable, just that his best work is clearly post-WCW, and I don't think anyone can argue against that.

Triple Naitch

10-10-2011, 08:57 PM

Seems to be some Terra Ryzin in this thread.

10-11-2011, 07:57 AM

it seems like alot of you only grew up watching Attitude Era matches

and paid no attention to the history of wrestling

and people are crucified here if they like an obscure match that it somehow is a bad thing
And there's the problem.

The presumption that virtually everybpdy here knows little to nothing pre-AE simply isn't true.

We all appreciate a knowledgable fan, we don't appreciate a guy that "talks down to us" or goes out of their way to "rub their knowledge in our faces".

The guy you're defending can't just talk about that Hogan v Andre match, he has to go out of his way to say Hogan v Andre from WrestleMania 3 held at the Pontiac Silverdome in Michigan on March 29th 1987 infront of some 93, 173 fans.

We all know that stuff. We all realise that it's superfluous to the point he is trying to make and therefore comes across simply as a way to "show off" this knowledge.

In all honesty I think people find him amusing more than anything.

VSG

10-11-2011, 08:43 AM

Are you saying DLVH is an annoying DAMN iNATOR?

Londoner

10-11-2011, 09:50 AM

And there's the problem.

The presumption that virtually everybpdy here knows little to nothing pre-AE simply isn't true.

We all appreciate a knowledgable fan, we don't appreciate a guy that "talks down to us" or goes out of their way to "rub their knowledge in our faces".

The guy you're defending can't just talk about that Hogan v Andre match, he has to go out of his way to say Hogan v Andre from WrestleMania 3 held at the Pontiac Silverdome in Michigan on March 29th 1987 infront of some 93, 173 fans.

We all know that stuff. We all realise that it's superfluous to the point he is trying to make and therefore comes across simply as a way to "show off" this knowledge.

In all honesty I think people find him amusing more than anything.

XL gets it

jskinnyg

10-11-2011, 07:37 PM

10-11-2011, 08:14 PM

Before. I highly dislike him right now.

James Steele

10-11-2011, 08:20 PM

Before. I highly dislike him right now.

I dislike you right now you lamb-fucking piece of shit.

Juan

10-11-2011, 08:24 PM

Never gets old

Disco Apocalypse

10-12-2011, 07:11 AM

BEFORE.

Chain Mail > Crown

Autobahn

10-12-2011, 08:02 AM

Before, but I have to say I love him in his current role. He needed a change to freshen up his character.

Fox

10-12-2011, 09:34 AM

Definitely before. His best matches all happened before the injury. His matches against The Rock (Ladder match and Iron Man stand out), against Undertaker at Mania, against Foley/Cactus Jack, against Jericho, Owen Hart, Benoit...

Only real matches that stand out to me post-injury are his 3 Stages of Hell against Austin and the Triple Threat against HBK and Benoit at Mania XX.

Really, the HHH reign of terror on RAW from like 2002-2005 make this an easy choice.

James Steele

10-12-2011, 10:42 AM

3 Stages of Hell against Stone Cold was pre-injury (it was the No Way Out ppv in Feb 2001).

Blakeamus

10-13-2011, 12:48 AM