MLB 2011-2012 Offseason Thread [Archive] - Page 2

Emperor Smeat

11-21-2011, 04:45 PM

Good choice considering how dominate Verlander was and the last time a pitcher was a legit choice for the MVP would be Clemens in 1986 (I think that is also the year he broke the Ks record with 20 in a game).

Ellsbury and Granderson did what people expected and had their votes split. Bautista did well but at the same time his numbers were a bit down than last year and this year had a stronger field of candidates.

Gertner

11-21-2011, 06:14 PM

Aguakate

11-21-2011, 06:24 PM

This is Evan P Grant of the Dallas News MVP ballot

1. Michael Young, Rangers
2. Justin Verlander, Detroit
3. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit
4. Curtis Granderson, New York
5. Jacoby Ellsbury, Boston
6. Adrian Gonzalez, Boston
7. Jose Bautista, Toronto
8. Robinson Cano, New York
9. James Shields, Tampa Bay
10. Adrian Beltre, Rangers

People like this need to lose their right to vote. Jose Bautista wasn't in the top 5 on 4 ballots. Fucking ridiculous.

That's why I said, I'd have it just be the players who vote.

Writers many times have an agenda, or will vote down whoever didn't give them an interview at some point, or will be like "He may be taking PED's so I won't vote for him", etc.

Also, he voted for James Shields?

...'the fuck?

Gertner

11-21-2011, 06:28 PM

Robertson on the Yankees got an MVP vote from somebody. Wow.

Aguakate

11-21-2011, 06:31 PM

For what it's worth, it's a shame that Verlander won the AL MVP award this year, yet Pedro didn't win it in '99.

Triple Naitch

11-21-2011, 07:01 PM

That's why I said, I'd have it just be the players who vote.

Writers many times have an agenda, or will vote down whoever didn't give them an interview at some point, or will be like "He may be taking PED's so I won't vote for him", etc.

Also, he voted for James Shields?

...'the fuck?

Verlander was completely dominant this year and carried that otherwise horrendous rotation.

And players don't have an agenda? Players get bonuses based on their finishes in award voting. Don't you think some of the guys would help out their buddies?

James Shields deserves top 10 consideration for how he carried that rotation throughout the year.

Evil Vito

11-21-2011, 07:06 PM

If players voted, there would almost certainly have to be a rule put in place preventing players from voting for their teammates.

Evan Grant's twitter is getting blown the fuck up...and rightly so. Some have even accused him of voting for Young 1st as a publicity stunt because he knows full well that the ballots are public domain and will eventually get out.

Vox Populi

11-21-2011, 07:08 PM

For what it's worth, it's a shame that Verlander won the AL MVP award this year, yet Pedro didn't win it in '99.

One has absolutely, positively nothing to do with the other. Voters decided to make a completely indefensible stand in '99. 12 years later, they did not (or in actuality, fewer of them did).

Evan Grant is the same guy who left Pedroia off his ballot completely in '08. He says he'll be explaining his actions on the Dallas Morning News website later today. I'm not holding my breath, as he said the same thing three years ago, and we're still waiting.

OssMan

11-21-2011, 07:14 PM

Mariners outfielder Greg Halman was stabbed to death in The Netherlands and his brother has been arrested as a suspect.
ben ik von duitsen bloed

Evil Vito

11-21-2011, 08:23 PM

Rangers sign Joe Nathan to a 2 year deal with a club option for a 3rd year. Wow. And Nathan said he only wanted to sign somewhere where he'd have a closing opportunity.

Guess money talks as per usual. Doesn't sound like anyone else wanted to guarantee more than one year.

Triple Naitch

11-21-2011, 08:26 PM

Neftali will prob be a starter next season now.

SammyG

11-21-2011, 08:41 PM

Fuck anyone that doesnt think Verlander didn't deserve the MVP award. The only person who has an argument was Jacoby
Yeah, Kemp didn't huh? Or wait, there's 2 awards huh? AL MVP and NL MVP?

ClockShot

11-21-2011, 10:00 PM

Neftali will prob be a starter next season now.

That's exactly what's going to happen.

Evening round-up.

Pirates sign Clint Barmes to a 2-year, $10.5 mil. deal.

O's sign Chong Tae-Hyon out of Korea to a deal.

Current estimates put the Yoenis Cespedes asking price between $35-50 mil.

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 10:16 AM

The Washington Nationals apparently have big money to spend. They talked to Mark Buehrle, and it's rumored they'll talk to Prince.

11-22-2011, 10:29 AM

Can't wait to wear my Castro jersey to a game again. Whens the season start? Seriously considering going to opening day.

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 10:45 AM

Can't wait to see Prince batting clean-up for the Cubs.

MVP

11-22-2011, 11:11 AM

Yeah, Kemp didn't huh? Or wait, there's 2 awards huh? AL MVP and NL MVP?

What are you talking about?

11-22-2011, 01:37 PM

Props on this Labor Deal MLB. Showing Nba how its done.

11-22-2011, 01:39 PM

Yeah, Kemp didn't huh? Or wait, there's 2 awards huh? AL MVP and NL MVP?

Hows the " fairwheather" in your world?

Triple Naitch

11-22-2011, 02:03 PM

Ryan Braun wins NL MVP.

Dragon

11-22-2011, 02:10 PM

Evil Vito

11-22-2011, 02:23 PM

Dragon

11-22-2011, 02:35 PM

Congrats to Ryan Braun for having better teammates.

Skippord

11-22-2011, 02:40 PM

been trying to argue against Kemp winning MVP for a long time since I hate the Dodgers, but I could not do it.

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 03:18 PM

Braun winning is just...wow. Not a knock on him as he had an MVP-caliber year. But Kemp clearly put up the better numbers. I'll never understand why so many writers feel the need to use whether or not you made the playoffs against you.

Because if you hit 100 Home Runs...drive in 200 Runs...hit .400...but your team doesn't make the playoffs...how "valuable" were you, really, to your team?

Dragon

11-22-2011, 03:25 PM

Because if you hit 100 Home Runs...drive in 200 Runs...hit .400...but your team doesn't make the playoffs...how "valuable" were you, really, to your team?

As valuable as you could be. A player shouldn't lose the MVP award because the team around him sucks.

SammyG

11-22-2011, 03:35 PM

I haven't been this angry over a voting since Nash got MVP over Kobe back in 05 or whatever

Hanso Amore

11-22-2011, 03:51 PM

I don't really get the advantages of draft slotting and international signing caps in this new CBA.

It seems like it'll just push two sports guys in the draft into other sports if they have to deal with a slot system in baseball. Also gonna change a lot of stuff when it comes to high school signings. I imagine a lot more HS kids will be choosing other sports or going to college if they aren't getting big signing money. And also keeps international guys in their own country until they're over 23 (when they can apparently become free agents) if they want bigger money.

I dunno, all in all it just seems like its gonna thin the possible talent pool in the game.

This point is retarded. Every other sport has "slotting" for paying of draft picks. The difference? The MLB is the only one not requiring kids hit college first. This will prevent teams from having to draft lower quality talent due to a lack of signability.

SEE PORCELLO, RICK.

It happens every year. Guys with top talent drop because lower tier teams will have no chance to afford them.

They are going to do the same thing they were before.

RoXer

11-22-2011, 03:58 PM

I haven't been this angry over a voting since Nash got MVP over Kobe back in 05 or whatever

fag

Hanso Amore

11-22-2011, 04:00 PM

Because if you hit 100 Home Runs...drive in 200 Runs...hit .400...but your team doesn't make the playoffs...how "valuable" were you, really, to your team?

Retarded.

So if I hit 275 with 15 home runs and 75 RBI and that led my team, and somehow because of the breaks in the game I win a weak division, I am more valuable than the guy you mentioned?

:wtf:

Hanso Amore

11-22-2011, 04:02 PM

Like Imagine where LA would have been without Kemp? EVEN WORSE. He counted for more wins for his shitty team than Braun did for his winning team, and he even had another superstar hitter on his team.

VALUE doesnt equal winning. If you are the best player on a team, and make them better, that makes you valuable. Not putting up stats on a good team.

Emperor Smeat

11-22-2011, 04:05 PM

Braun winning is just...wow. Not a knock on him as he had an MVP-caliber year. But Kemp clearly put up the better numbers. I'll never understand why so many writers feel the need to use whether or not you made the playoffs against you.

Kemp should have won but Braun winning isn't that bad although I could see if the writers felt Braun had more value to the Brewers than Kemp to the Dodgers and maybe the idea of Kemp being similar to when A-Rod won in 2003 (I think).

The Brewers themselves shifted their entire focus onto Braun for the year while Kemp might have gotten the stigma of his stats not really benefiting the Dodgers even though they were horrible except him for most of the season.

Then again the writers always have some weird thinking that a lot of the times barely makes any sense considering their past votes or thinking (ex. a DH can never be an MVP while a guy who pads his stats on a horrible team is MVP-worthy).

Supreme Olajuwon

11-22-2011, 04:33 PM

Supreme Olajuwon

11-22-2011, 04:34 PM

How bout the fact that Matt Kemp never had to hit in a meaningful situation this year while Ryan Braun had the pressures of a division race on his shoulders every single night? That doesn't matter to any of you?

Gertner

11-22-2011, 05:30 PM

I haven't been this angry over a voting since Nash got MVP over Kobe back in 05 or whatever

Nash never raped a woman.

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 05:30 PM

Retarded.

So if I hit 275 with 15 home runs and 75 RBI and that led my team, and somehow because of the breaks in the game I win a weak division, I am more valuable than the guy you mentioned?

:wtf:

YES.

Because the award is Most VALUABLE Player, not "Player of the Year" or "Most Outstanding Player".

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 05:31 PM

Nash never raped a woman.

Kobe did...

...IN THE ASS.

Gertner

11-22-2011, 05:32 PM

That's a given. That sexual predator should be kicked out of the league. Probably tearign assholes as we speak.

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 05:43 PM

That's a given. That sexual predator should be kicked out of the league. Probably tearign assholes as we speak.

LOL this is from a Wikipedia page about Kobe's Sexual Assault Case:

It was revealed that Bryant leaned the woman over a chair to have sex with her, which allegedly caused the bleeding. This was the sex act in question, as the accuser claims she told Bryant to stop but he would not, and Bryant claims he stopped after asking if he could ejaculate on her face.

Kobe: "Excuse me, ma'am...I'm raping you and stuff, but would it make you mad if I ejaculate on your face?"

Aguakate

11-22-2011, 06:48 PM

weather vane

11-22-2011, 06:53 PM

haha that's deadly

Skippord

11-22-2011, 07:38 PM

this clubhouse confidential show on MLB Network is pretty interesting about the Kemp/Braun thing.

Droford

11-22-2011, 10:05 PM

Ha!

Matt Kemp said this after not winning the MVP award:

"I'm going to go 50-50 next year," he said. "I'm telling you, y'all created a monster. I'm about to get back in the weight room super tough so I can be as strong as I was last year. … Forty-forty is tough, so 50-50 will be even tougher, but anything can happen. I have to set my limits high so I can try to get to them as much as I can. I'm going to try for 50-50, which has never been done.

"I'm serious. If I don't [get there], it means I let y'all down and lied to you, and I don't like being a liar. I know y'all are over there thinking I'm crazy, but hey, I'm trying to take it to another level."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7270316/los-angeles-dodgers-matt-kemp-makes-bold-prediction-2012-50-50

He'll end up breaking/tearing something in his super tough training and miss the entire season..then he can do 40-40 again and win Comeback player and MVP in 2013

Kemp should have won the MVP..without him the Dodgers would have been 100x worse than they were.

--

Orioles are supposedly interested in Huston Street to be their new closer, which I guess is an improvement over Kevin Gregg, but I can only imagine the new nickname... Huston "serves one up to Eutaw" Street.

screech

11-22-2011, 11:10 PM

YES.

Because the award is Most VALUABLE Player, not "Player of the Year" or "Most Outstanding Player".

You're a fucking moron.

screech

11-22-2011, 11:10 PM

this clubhouse confidential show on MLB Network is pretty interesting about the Kemp/Braun thing.

MLB Network is the best channel.

11-23-2011, 02:21 AM

Matt Kemp got robbed

Hanso Amore

11-23-2011, 10:23 AM

YES.

Because the award is Most VALUABLE Player, not "Player of the Year" or "Most Outstanding Player".

You are a fucking moron.

Hanso Amore

11-23-2011, 10:26 AM

The only way a guy on a team that misses the playoffs should win MVP is if his numbers are ridiculously better than everybody else's. Braun's numbers are a lot closer to Kemp's than some of you seem to think.

Im fine with Braun, his numbers were legit. I just dont agree that the Term MOST VALUABLE has to coincide with making the playoffs. Everyone wants to tout the NOT BEST PLAYER BUT MOST VALUABLE argument but VALUE is completely arbitrary.

If you want to play it that way, it goes to the player that is the biggest part of his team. And Kemp accounted for a much higher percentage of his teams offense and defense than did Braun.

Hanso Amore

11-23-2011, 10:27 AM

Kemp's Value was MUCH more to the Dodgers than Brauns to the Brewers. So basically, long story short, Aquakate can suck on mah balls.

Aguakate

11-23-2011, 11:05 AM

Kemp's Value was MUCH more to the Dodgers than Brauns to the Brewers. So basically, long story short, Aquakate can suck on mah balls.

I guess you didn't see how Braun's clutch hits and Homers basically carried the Brewers all the way to the playoffs down the stretch.

Maybe if you weren't so focused on "Bringing Trannies Back", you would've noticed.

ClockShot

11-23-2011, 09:08 PM

Evening round-up.

Grady Sizemore goes back to the Indians. 1-year, $5 mil. with $4 mil. in incentives to be earned.

Bruce Chen stays with the Royals. 2-years, $9 mil. with an extra $2 mil. split between the roster bonus and incentives.

The Yokohama Bay Stars out of Japan are going to post reilver Hiroki Sanada. This will be the first time the team has used the posting system.

And finally, there's a little under 3 hours until teams gotta offer their players arbitration.

Evil Vito

11-24-2011, 11:07 AM

Mets sign outfielder/former pitcher Adam Loewen to a minor league deal, presumably with a ST invite.

Oddly intrigued by that move. His September call up with the Blue Jays pretty much sucked, but he had a damn good year in AAA considering it was only his third as a position player. Ankiel took way longer to be big league ready.

Decent depth move, but he definitely is a candidate for a backup outfielder spot on the Opening Day roster. I've heard that he's got a cannon for an arm much like Ankiel. Could be good for late inning defense.

ClockShot

11-24-2011, 11:25 AM

Yankees sign Jayson Nix to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training.

They're also close to bringing Steady Freddy Garcia back for another year.

Emperor Smeat

11-24-2011, 01:01 PM

Red Sox offered arbitration to David Ortiz and Dan Wheeler but declined on r Jason Varitek, Erik Bedard, Trever Miller, Tim Wakefield, J.D. Drew, and Conor Jackson.

Phillies declined arbitration to Roy Oswalt but offered it to Jimmy Rollins, Raul Ibanez, and Ryan Madson.

Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle, CJ Wilson, and Francisco Rodriguez all were offered arbitration.

According to MLB, the Padres get to offer arbitration to Heath Bell and are guaranteed 2 draft picks but his potential new team won't lose any as part of the compromise regarding the new CBA for this year.

Cubs offered arbitration to Carlos Pena and Aramis Ramirez.

Gertner

11-24-2011, 10:21 PM

Gertner

11-24-2011, 10:24 PM

Jays offered to Kelly Johnson, Jon Rauch(ugh), Jose Molina and Frank Francisco and declined Shawn Camp.

Hoping to see Francisco and Johnson back. The rest can fuck off with Camp.

Supreme Olajuwon

11-25-2011, 01:41 AM

Can't get to the World Series without a Molina. Smart move, Toronto.

ClockShot

11-26-2011, 04:48 PM

Unless something out of the blue happens, Bobby Valentine or Tigers 3rd base coach Gene Lamont will be Boston's new manager.

Aguakate

11-26-2011, 08:32 PM

It'll be Bobby.

Also, they're showing the 2003 Marlins vs Cubs NLCS "Steve Bartman" game, and all I've gotta say, after 8 years, is:

MOISES ALOU WOULD'VE CAUGHT THAT BALL.

Droford

11-26-2011, 08:43 PM

I kinda want to see the Os try and get Bedard back even though hes a washed up shell of what he was when the Os traded him.

Hanso Amore

11-27-2011, 05:05 PM

I guess you didn't see how Braun's clutch hits and Homers basically carried the Brewers all the way to the playoffs down the stretch.

Maybe if you weren't so focused on "Bringing Trannies Back", you would've noticed.

You are literally the worst poster going right now.

Aguakate

11-28-2011, 12:53 AM

You are literally the worst poster going right now.

How? By telling you your argument is invalid when you look at the greater scope?

If it was up to you, the guy who had the most Homers and RBIs would win the MVP, even if he played on the Royals or something.

In 1998, Mark McGwire hit 70 Home Runs, and the Cardinals missed the playoffs.

Sammy Sosa hit 66 and the Cubs won the Wild Card.

Guess who won MVP?

Hanso: "McGwire! Because he hit 70 Home Runs!"

Aguakate: "No. Sosa. Because he was more valuable to his team, by contribuiting to their playoff birth".

Dragon

11-28-2011, 01:05 AM

All that you've proven is that the MVP award was flawed in 98.

McGwire was the better player and should have won it that year too.

Aguakate

11-28-2011, 01:08 AM

Nah.

Sosa was the man. He took a Cubs team that had Mickey Morandini as its 2nd baseman to the playoffs.

11-28-2011, 05:49 AM

Ofcourse, Braun had the luxury of being protected by Prince Fielder in the lineup. Kemp had no one.

Aguakate

11-28-2011, 10:01 AM

Who did Sosa have?

HENRY FUCKING RODRIGUEZ?!

Still, just the clutch hits and timely hitting down the stretch gave Braun the MVP.

Hanso Amore

11-28-2011, 01:39 PM

Go back through my posts fuck wit. I dont say a thing about better stats. I know reading comprehension is not your strength, but at least try to stay up to date on the conversation.

You keep pushing the "ITS NOT ABOUT STATS ITS ABOUT BEING VALUABLE" bullshit.

I have not once mentioned stats you fucking mongoloid, the point is that if you play that card, Kemp was FAR more valuable as the ONLY offensive weapon on that team, where Braun had good numbers, on a good team, and made the playoffs. That doesnt make him more valuable. You take Braun off that team and make him a middling Left Fielder they still win 80 games. You take Kemp off that team and they struggle to come CLOSE to the shitty record they have.

If you want to play the value card, imagine a team without that player. The Brewers would still have been better than Average, but without Kemp the Dodgers could have been the worst team of all time.

I think we need a Tape Measure check. Wrap a Tape Measure around your head at the Forehead, and if the circumference is larger than a basketball due to a massive sloped forehead, then you cannot post.

Hanso Amore

11-28-2011, 01:41 PM

Fucking A, you could even make an Argument that Fielder was the More Important player on that team.

Emperor Smeat

11-28-2011, 01:45 PM

Rays sign Jose Molina to a 1-year deal. The Rays previously traded their catcher John Jaso to Seattle in return for pitcher Josh Lueke and either cash or a player to be announced later.

CJ Wilson currently having meetings with the Marlins after earlier having talks with the Angels. Those 2 teams along with the Rangers are the frontrunners to get him right now.

Red Sox temporarily stopped their manager search after it was reported neither Bobby Valentine nor Gene Lamont got any official offers from the team.

ClockShot

11-28-2011, 03:11 PM

Jim Crane began house cleaning today in Houston. GM Ed Wade and Pres. of Baseball Ops. Tal Smith have been canned. Asst. GM Dave Gottfried will keep the chair warm until someone new is hired. He ain't a candidate for the job.

Aguakate

11-28-2011, 04:18 PM

Red Sox temporarily stopped their manager search after it was reported neither Bobby Valentine nor Gene Lamont got any official offers from the team.

I sense a power struggle going on. Seems to me like the owners want Bobby Valentine, but the GM feels otherwise.

Emperor Smeat

11-28-2011, 04:32 PM

I sense a power struggle going on. Seems to me like the owners want Bobby Valentine, but the GM feels otherwise.

I think its the other way around but it is possible another "power struggle" or something involving Larry Lucchino (VP of the team and minority owner I think) is causing the delays again.

Aguakate

11-28-2011, 04:32 PM

...Either way...there's a power struggle.

screech

11-29-2011, 11:48 AM

He took a Cubs team that had Mickey Morandini as its 2nd baseman to the playoffs.

Mickey Morandini is awesome, you putz.

MVP

11-29-2011, 12:06 PM

I think its the other way around but it is possible another "power struggle" or something involving Larry Lucchino (VP of the team and minority owner I think) is causing the delays again.

Either way it's embarrassing that the Red Sox have gone 2 months without hiring a manager, and the Cubs and Cardinals were both able to hire theirs in about 2 weeks time. I don't know what's going on, but they need to get their shit together because free agents aren't going to want to come to Boston without a manager. We should be talking about the Red Sox talking to guys like Mark Buehrle, but instead they're in the same place they were in at the end of last month.

Triple Naitch

11-29-2011, 12:08 PM

Broxton to the Royals. I really like the team KC is putting together.

ClockShot

11-29-2011, 12:29 PM

Either way it's embarrassing that the Red Sox have gone 2 months without hiring a manager, and the Cubs and Cardinals were both able to hire theirs in about 2 weeks time. I don't know what's going on, but they need to get their shit together because free agents aren't going to want to come to Boston without a manager. We should be talking about the Red Sox talking to guys like Mark Buehrle, but instead they're in the same place they were in at the end of last month.

Have they ever gotten their compensation from the Cubs for Theo yet?

screech

11-29-2011, 12:43 PM

Broxton to the Royals. I really like the team KC is putting together.

I do too. Would've been nice to see them keep Melky, but Lorenzo Cain is solid from what I hear.

MVP

11-29-2011, 01:18 PM

Have they ever gotten their compensation from the Cubs for Theo yet?

Nope, supposedly that's going to happen after the winter meetings. I think they lost all of their leverage when they let Theo go to Chicago before deciding on who they will receive.

ClockShot

11-29-2011, 01:54 PM

The Giants extend manager Bruce Bochy and GM Brian Sabean to 2013 with team options for 2014.

ClockShot

11-29-2011, 07:19 PM

Evening Round-Up:

A couple reports buzzing around the net right now about the Red Sox manager search. Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe says Gene Lamont has not been told he's out of the running for the spot yet. Karl Ravech over at ESPN says Lamont is out, but the position has not been offered to Bobby V as of right now.

The Dodgers and Adam Kennedy are close to a deal.

The Mets, Reds, Cardinals, and Tigers are major players in the Octavio Dotel sweepstakes.

Aguakate

11-29-2011, 07:28 PM

Bobby Valentine has agreed to be the new Boston Red Sox manager.

Things are about to get interesting in Boston, as well as the AL East.

Triple Naitch

11-29-2011, 08:20 PM

Still don't know how I feel about it.

weather vane

11-29-2011, 08:48 PM

That's a fake moustache...

Evil Vito

11-29-2011, 08:49 PM

Rays trade catcher John Jaso to the Mariners for rapist Josh Lueke.

Skippord

11-29-2011, 10:50 PM

and non consensual sodomite

11-30-2011, 01:42 AM

Apparently the Cubbies want Pujos and Feilder. If that happens, I'll ejac in my own face.

Aguakate

11-30-2011, 01:59 AM

I see no way Pujols leaves the Cardinals, and joins the CUBS, of all teams, which would make him public enemy #1 in St. Louis.

I do believe Prince will sign with the Cubs.

MVP

11-30-2011, 08:44 AM

At this point, I'm just glad to see the Red Sox with a new manager finally.

Innovator

11-30-2011, 09:47 AM

I see no way Pujols leaves the Cardinals, and joins the CUBS, of all teams, which would make him public enemy #1 in St. Louis.

I do believe Prince will sign with the Cubs.

I see NO WAY Johnny Damon, the poster boy of the "idiots" in Boston, joining the RIVAL New York Yankees.

ClockShot

11-30-2011, 09:51 AM

ZING!

Supreme Olajuwon

11-30-2011, 10:00 AM

Hmm, so Pujols won't sign with the Cubs because he cares too much about the fans in St. Louis, but apparently Prince Fielder has no problem telling the city of Milwaukee to go fuck itself.

Evil Vito

11-30-2011, 10:55 AM

Still cannot for the life of me understand why Red Sox fans are pissed off about the Valentine hire. He's been characterized by them as an idiot and a terrible manager, which makes no sense. He wasn't a very good analyst, but he's a damn good manager with a track record of success. He's shown that he can cut down on some of the clubhouse bullshit while still being well-liked by his players. Smart move by the Sox.

screech

11-30-2011, 12:28 PM

He's shown that he can cut down on some of the clubhouse bullshit while still being well-liked by his players. Smart move by the Sox.

Totally agree. He can be laid back enough to be liked, yet stern enough to not take shit.

screech

11-30-2011, 12:29 PM

I know I echoed what you said, but it seemed dumb to just post "totally agree."

Triple Naitch

11-30-2011, 12:38 PM

If Pujols didn't want Cardinals fans to hate him then he would have re-signed with them already.

Emperor Smeat

11-30-2011, 01:10 PM

La Russa retiring probably made Pujols reconsider a bit but at the same time everyone knew he was going to ask for an A-Rod like mega-contract.

I can see how Red Sox fans are upset over the Valentine hire because of it taking 2 months and him not even being an option until Theo left and started to go after all the potential managers the Red Sox wanted. At the same time Valentine does have a better track record with success than Francona had before he became the manager.

Detroit fans were begging the Red Sox ownership to take Lamont from them because of how bad he was for the team and hurt a potential playoff spot rival for the next season. Loosing Sveum was because management was too slow in negotiations which is why the Cubs swooped in to get him while they suddenly dropped interest for one of the coaches from the Rangers staff.

Aguakate

11-30-2011, 03:49 PM

I see NO WAY Johnny Damon, the poster boy of the "idiots" in Boston, joining the RIVAL New York Yankees.

That is not even remotely similar to the situation with Albert and the Cardinals.

Albert has only played for the Cardinals his entire career. Damon had already played for the Royals and A's.

screech

11-30-2011, 03:53 PM

That is not even remotely similar to the situation with Albert and the Cardinals.

Albert has only played for the Cardinals his entire career. Damon had already played for the Royals and A's.

So just because he didn't play in Boston his whole career, it wasn't a slap in the face to their fans when he joined the biggest rival?

You are seriously retarded.

Pujols would become an enemy in St. Louis just like Damon became an enemy in Boston.

I'd say that's pretty similar.

MVP

11-30-2011, 04:48 PM

That is not even remotely similar to the situation with Albert and the Cardinals.

Albert has only played for the Cardinals his entire career. Damon had already played for the Royals and A's.

Except Damon provided this gem of a quote on May 1, 2005.

"There’s no way I can go play for the Yankees, but I know they are going to come after me hard"

Hanso Amore

11-30-2011, 04:50 PM

Hardkore Kidd J

11-30-2011, 04:50 PM

I see no way Pujols leaves the Cardinals, and joins the CUBS, of all teams, which would make him public enemy #1 in St. Louis.

I do believe Prince will sign with the Cubs.

Money TALKS. If the Cubs offer him a ten year deal and give him a multimillion dollar contract he would go to the Cubs. Baseball players want to go to the team that can make them the most money and the best chance to win a World Series ring. I wouldn't say that there's no chance . Pujols might just go to Miami though. I can see Pujols or Fielder in a Marlins uniform come the 2012 season.

Hanso Amore

11-30-2011, 04:55 PM

Hes won 2 rings, so this is his money contract.

Hardkore Kidd J

11-30-2011, 06:17 PM

Hes won 2 rings, so this is his money contract.

Well not saying you're wrong. But, if I were him I would want as many rings as I could have before he retires in the next 10 or something years. Not saying that the Cards can't go back to the World Series and win. All I am trying to say is when you're a baseball player I don't think it's all about the money it's about the rings too. And if I were Pujold and I was turning 31 years old. I'd be asking myself where I could get the most money and what team would be most likely to get me that third ring.

ClockShot

11-30-2011, 08:14 PM

Evening Round-up:

Rockies sign Ramon Hernandez to a 2-year, $6.5 mil. deal. The Rockies also traded Chris Iannetta to the Angels for Tyler Chatwood.

The Rangers continute to load up their bullpen. They're targeting A's closer Andrew Bailey. But so are the Red Sox and a few other teams.

Cubs sign David DeJesus to a 2-year, $10 mil. deal.

Tigers sign Ramon Santiago to a 2-year, $4 mil. deal.

Aguakate

11-30-2011, 09:32 PM

Cubs sign David De Jesus...

...I guess that can work :-\

DaveWadding

11-30-2011, 09:40 PM

David DeJesus > Kosuke Fukudome

Aguakate

11-30-2011, 09:44 PM

Well, that one's too easy.

Triple Naitch

11-30-2011, 09:53 PM

Love David DeJesus.

DaveWadding

11-30-2011, 09:54 PM

also, praise Jesus that Jonathan Broxton is now in the American League.

Hanso Amore

12-01-2011, 09:47 AM

Broxton is going to look great in the AL East when he is traded at the deadline this year.

Innovator

12-01-2011, 10:26 AM

Jorge asked the Mets if they wanted him, Mets said "nah we're good."

Evil Vito

12-01-2011, 11:00 AM

lol Jorge on the Mets would have made less than zero sense. They need a backup catcher who is competent against lefties and in that respect Jorge had 6 more hits than I did last season.

They've shown interest in Varitek, who I don't see as a fit. Not even sure if he'd hold up for the 60 or so games they'd want him to catch as a backup. Personally I'd like to bring back Ramon Castro.

Emperor Smeat

12-01-2011, 01:47 PM

Triple Naitch

12-01-2011, 06:31 PM

Bobby V signs a 2-year deal and John Farrell has 2 years left on his contract. Hmmm....

Droford

12-01-2011, 06:46 PM

The os traded an A Ball pitcher for Rangers backup catcher Taylor Teagarden..awesome..ly..pointless trade

12-02-2011, 01:45 AM

YOU DONT FUCK WITH DEJESUS!

ClockShot

12-02-2011, 05:25 AM

Marlins sign Heath Bell. 3-years, $27 mil. with a 4th year option with $9 mil.

MVP

12-02-2011, 09:59 AM

That's more than I'd be willing to pay Heath Bell. I could see that turning into a bad contract for the Marlins, but I've seen worse.

Evil Vito

12-02-2011, 10:21 AM

Varitek would be a good move if the Mets intend to use him to help develop their younger pitchers but even then he'd only be really useable for just a single pitcher or two as a max.

He helped a lot in making Lester and Buchholz good as pitchers for the Red Sox.

Come to think, if the Mets want to go the veteran catcher route - I'd go with Pudge. He's still respectable against lefties and even at his age there is no better guy to have mentor a young catcher and help a pitching staff. He'd probably get just as much playing time as he'd get elsewhere at this point, which is probably important to him if he wants to have any shot at reaching 3,000 hits.

Hanso Amore

12-02-2011, 10:53 AM

Marlins really needed someone to close out all those games they are losing by 5

Triple Naitch

12-02-2011, 11:58 AM

Didn't realize Heath Bell is already 34. I remember him being a generic player in the Mets minor league team in MVP 2005.

Emperor Smeat

12-02-2011, 01:07 PM

Would anyone be surprised if the Marlins somehow won the title again and then just had another huge fire sale of the team?

I understand the terms of the new stadium means the owner can't be a cheap-ass for the next year or two but at the same time I don't think it has any terms of him dropping salary once he wins or spends enough to get people to stop calling him a cheap-ass owner.

Evil Vito

12-02-2011, 01:30 PM

Chris Capuano to the Dodgers. 2 years, $10 million.

Triple Naitch

12-02-2011, 05:00 PM

Apparently, a group headed by Magic Johnson and Stan Kasten are now trying to buy the Dodgers.

ClockShot

12-02-2011, 06:46 PM

Mark Cuban said he was gonna put a bid in too.

Gertner

12-03-2011, 02:43 PM

Jays deal piece of shit Brad Mills to the Angels for catcher Jeff Mathis. Gotta replace the prowess of Jose Molina somehow.

weather vane

12-03-2011, 04:37 PM

One day Ortiz posts a picture with him and Bobby Valentine...

The next with him and Robinson Cano...

Innovator

12-03-2011, 08:37 PM

...there is NO WAY that David Ortiz, Big Papi himself, would ever consider joining the Yankees.

Triple Naitch

12-03-2011, 08:43 PM

Also posted pics with Adam Jones and Joey Bats.

Emperor Smeat

12-03-2011, 08:49 PM

...there is NO WAY that David Ortiz, Big Papi himself, would ever consider joining the Yankees.

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He's worn the forbidden hat before :shifty:

Droford

12-03-2011, 09:03 PM

Also posted pics with Adam Jones and Joey Bats.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mov5Woif3v8/TtrFqjEUQ3I/AAAAAAAAJxI/suf1v53i46s/s400/ortizgolfclassic2011AdamJonesBaltCFFelipPayanoSportsMinDec2listindiario.jpeg

If the Red Sox fail to retain David Ortiz, Adam Jones is sure the Baltimore Orioles would welcome the big DH on their roster.
“I see him 18 times a year on the other side. I’d love to have him with us for 162,” the center fielder said. “It would be good. He adds that punch to your lineup.”
Jones, 26, said Ortiz is one of the players he admires.
“He has that personality and that good temperament. When he invited me here for his event, I said yes in a second,” Jones said. “People have no idea the things he does.”
Two years ago, Jones said, Ortiz sent him a bottle of Ace of Spades champagne for his birthday and signed the label.
“It was a $1,000 bottle of champagne. I still have it,” Jones said. “The next time I have something to celebrate, I’m going to pop it open.”
Jones has run across a few Red Sox fans since the Orioles knocked the Sox out of the playoffs in the final game of last season.
“The were giving me a hard time. But the game is the game and people understand how it works,” he said.
Jones, in his second year of arbitration, is hopeful of signing a long-term extension with the Orioles.
“That part is not up to me,” he said. “That’s one thing I’ve learned. You can’t control everything. The ball is in their court.”
Jones has yet to speak to new Orioles general manager Dan Duquette.I had heard that Duquette had spoken with Ortiz's agent though, so..hmm..don't really want him as the DH, though I guess he'd be somewhat of an improvent over Guerrerro's year last year at the plate so whatever..

Evil Vito

12-04-2011, 03:46 PM

Manny Ramirez is going to file for reinstatement this week. Sounds like if he gets it, his 100 game suspension could be reduced because he missed way more than 100 by retiring last year. 50 games sounds probable.

I do wonder if anybody will sign him...or if he'll be blackballed ala Bonds.

ClockShot

12-04-2011, 04:18 PM

Little under 7 hours to go before the Winter Meetings get underway in Indy.

Buckle up for a few days of insanity.

Innovator

12-04-2011, 04:21 PM

I'm ready for some MLB Hot Fucking Stove

Triple Naitch

12-04-2011, 05:55 PM

Skippord

12-04-2011, 06:04 PM

can't wait to read about the Rockies getting really close to making trades and then something falling apart at the last minute

ClockShot

12-04-2011, 07:31 PM

Evening round-up:

Teams who want nothing to do with Manny Ramirez if he returns are as follows: Red Sox, Yankees, Royals, Tigers, White Sox, Indians, Twins, Rangers, Angels, A's, and Mariners. So that's about half of the AL right there. Good luck getting a gig, ManRam.

Marlins have offered Jose Reyes a 6-year, $111 mil. deal with a $22 mil. 7th year option.

3 teams have offered Mark Buehrle the years and money he wants. But none have included the no-trade clause he's asking for. The Rangers, Nats, and Marlins are the frontrunners for his services.

The Phillies sign Laynce Nix to a 2-year deal pending a physical.

And finally, a special news bulletin for Big Vito. The Mets have contaced Francisco Rodriguez about a reunion in New York.

Evil Vito

12-04-2011, 09:15 PM

No way do they actually bring back K-Rod. Makes no real sense. I expect them to end up with somebody in the Cordero/Francisco/Rauch group, maybe even 2 of 3.

But yeah, Reyes is a goner. Doesn't sound like the Mets are even going to make an offer now. So depressed.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-04-2011, 09:47 PM

THIS IS A BIG VITO 22 SUICIDE WATCH ALERT

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

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Evil Vito

12-04-2011, 09:56 PM

Done deal. Reyes is a Marlin.

Dragon

12-04-2011, 10:28 PM

Sucks for the Mets. They only get a third round pick and sandwich pick since the Marlins signed Bell.

Gonna drop another round if the Marlins get any more big guys.

weather vane

12-04-2011, 10:43 PM

Hopefully Prince Fielder goes to the Blue Jays.

Evil Vito

12-04-2011, 11:28 PM

The more I listen to Alderson, the more I think he's just a Wilpon yes-man who is only in his current job because Selig pretty much told him to. Just watching his explanation it became abundantly clear that the Mets never truly intended on bringing back Reyes. What a colossal fuckup to not trade him in June/July.

I feel sick to my stomach hearing Alderson say over and over again that the Madoff situation would have no impact on his ability to run the team. Its already been disproven. If they thought losing $70 million this year was bad, wait til next year when the stands are empty.

Evil Vito

12-04-2011, 11:43 PM

Not that I wanted the Mets to give Reyes 6 years, mind you.....but the fact that they never even put an offer in disgusts me. Apparently Reyes' camp never came to the Mets with the offer either despite saying they would.

Sigh.

Evil Vito

12-04-2011, 11:53 PM

And now the writers are all saying that the Marlins are going to be making an aggressive push to land Pujols during the Meetings.

God help us all...

Hardkore Kidd J

12-05-2011, 02:01 AM

And now the writers are all saying that the Marlins are going to be making an aggressive push to land Pujols during the Meetings.

God help us all...

If the Marlins get Pujols they are most likely going to be the team that's most likely going to the WS. But, I do think maybe the Marlins need to work on starters. And bringing Pujols , Reyes, and a big starter may be too hard to do.

Evil Vito

12-05-2011, 08:51 AM

New Marlins acquisitions:

1B: Fielder
SS: Reyes
3B: Pujols
CF: Cespedes
Pitchers: Bell, K-Rod, Madson, Buehrle, Wilson

LORIA GOT 'EM ALL!!!!! People wanted 3...but HE GOT 'EM ALL!!!

Hardkore Kidd J

12-05-2011, 09:11 AM

New Marlins acquisitions:

1B: Fielder
SS: Reyes
3B: Pujols
CF: Cespedes
Pitchers: Bell, K-Rod, Madson, Buehrle, Wilson

LORIA GOT 'EM ALL!!!!! People wanted 3...but HE GOT 'EM ALL!!!

Appearantly he didn't he forgot to pick up Darvish.;)

Innovator

12-05-2011, 10:29 AM

If the Marlins get Pujols they are most likely going to be the team that's most likely going to the WS. But, I do think maybe the Marlins need to work on starters. And bringing Pujols , Reyes, and a big starter may be too hard to do.

DREAM TEAM

Triple Naitch

12-05-2011, 11:28 AM

Ron Santo :love:

Emperor Smeat

12-05-2011, 12:44 PM

ESPN had some interesting stats abut the Marlins spending in how they already have spent more on 5 players ($65 million) than their team salary last season ($60 million) and if they get Pujols, they reach about $100-$110 million in overall salary.

Starting offer for Pujols is around $198 million based on what the Cards offered in Spring Training.

Mets could potentially trade away David Wright but the GM right now says it is not an option.

Red Sox management denies Bobby Valentine's request of getting Bill Buckner as part of the coaching staff.

Gertner

12-05-2011, 02:12 PM

Hopefully Prince Fielder goes to the Blue Jays.

One can only dream.

Dragon

12-05-2011, 08:16 PM

Dodgers continue to sign every utility infielder they can find to a multi-year deal. Just signed Jerry Hairston Jr. to a 2 year deal.

Triple Naitch

12-05-2011, 10:07 PM

So Valentine replaces Francona, and rumor has it that Francona may replace Valentine on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball.

screech

12-05-2011, 11:19 PM

That would be pretty sweet.

ClockShot

12-06-2011, 08:01 AM

It's confirmed on ESPN.

Innovator

12-06-2011, 11:19 AM

Marlins put in a 10 year offer to Albert Pujols.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-06-2011, 12:00 PM

poor Gaby Sanchez :(

Hanso Amore

12-06-2011, 12:11 PM

Where is all the Hate on the Marlins? If this was the Yankees or BoSox Free Spending there would be all sorts of Hate.

screech

12-06-2011, 12:31 PM

ESPN had some interesting stats abut the Marlins spending in how they already have spent more on 5 players ($65 million) than their team salary last season ($60 million) and if they get Pujols, they reach about $100-$110 million in overall salary.

That is ridiculous. Don't they get a bump in payroll with the new stadium though?

Even so, still unreal.

Boomer

12-06-2011, 12:38 PM

History would say that Reyes and Pujols would both miss decent amounts of time, and the Marlins still don't have the greatest pitching staff, but the NL East is looking to become quite scary in the next few years.

Gertner

12-06-2011, 12:56 PM

Jays deal prospect Nestor Molina to the White Sox for Sergio Santos.

Splaya

12-06-2011, 12:56 PM

White Sox trade Sergio Santos to the Blue Jays for Nestor Molina. Molina's numbers while be it in Class A are interesting 148 K's 14 walks in 130 innings pitched. Short term Blue Jays are winner. Long term could be interesting. Either way Gertner must be thrilled

Gertner

12-06-2011, 12:58 PM

Molina was a beast in AA/High A last year, but we have sooo much depth at pitching that I can live with this,.

Splaya

12-06-2011, 01:00 PM

Shores up your closers position for sure

Gertner

12-06-2011, 01:02 PM

Our bullpen is pretty sad so anything is better than nothing.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-06-2011, 01:39 PM

Where is all the Hate on the Marlins? If this was the Yankees or BoSox Free Spending there would be all sorts of Hate.

This is not even close to the same thing.

People hate on the Yankees and Red Sox because they're always the teams that spend money to get the big names year after year after year. They destroy the competitive balance of the sport. The Marlins are just trying to become one of the haves instead of being one of the have nots.

That being said, if the Marlins become consistent spenders, people will start to hate them. It happened to Philadelphia pretty quickly. It'll happen to Miami too.

Evil Vito

12-06-2011, 02:50 PM

If the Marlins sign Pujols, the Mets' draft pick compensation drops to a 4th rounder. Thank god they're getting rid of Elias rankings cause I still don't see how Heath Bell had a better rating than Reyes.

Hanso Amore

12-06-2011, 03:53 PM

Explain this...why does the Mets Comp Pick drop in that case? Like why does the Marlins spending EVEN MORE and taking away from others then cause the Mets compensation to drop?

Dragon

12-06-2011, 04:06 PM

Explain this...why does the Mets Comp Pick drop in that case? Like why does the Marlins spending EVEN MORE and taking away from others then cause the Mets compensation to drop?

Because Bell and Pujols if they get him are higher on the whole Elias rankings list. Pretty positive the Marlins first round pick is protected next year because of where they ended the season record wise. If they got Pujols their next available pick (2nd rounder) goes to the Cardinals, 3rd rounder goes to the Padres for Bell and 4th would go to the Mets. Its all based on how the players rank in the Elias thing which is kind of stupid.

Skippord

12-06-2011, 06:06 PM

woooo Kevin Slowey up in this motherfucker

Evil Vito

12-06-2011, 06:57 PM

The Mets are now no longer looking for a veteran right hand hitting catcher to tutor Thole and help the pitching staff, despite there being many affordable options on the market. Instead, they will go with Mike Nickeas who has subpar defense and has hit .190 in his 2 stints with the Mets.

LOL jesus christ. Can't even afford a backup catcher. :| The best thing that can happen to this franchise is that they have the worst record in baseball in 2012. May as well just go all out on the rebuild and get the #1 pick in 2013.

ClockShot

12-06-2011, 09:27 PM

Evening round-up (This is gonna be a long one):

A third team is in the mix for Albert Pujols' services. The Cardinals and Marlins put 10-year, $200+ mil. offers to him. No word yet on which team it is, but there's a longshot this could go down tonight.

Mark Buehrle's suitors are down to a teams. 1 unknown, the others are the Marlins, Rangers, Nats, and Twins.

Mets were combing the reliver market and settled in Jon Rauch. 1-year deal pending physical.

Roy Oswalt wants a 3-year deal. But he already told his agent to wait for Wilson and Buehrle to make their deals first.

Cardinals are open to trading Jake Westbrook and Kyle Lohse.

Finally, an MLB team won the bidding for Hiroyuki Nakajima. As of now, it ain't the red sox.

Emperor Smeat

12-06-2011, 09:55 PM

Evil Vito

12-06-2011, 09:59 PM

Not excited about the Rauch deal, but whatever. He should be able to bounce back in spacious Citi Field. BUT...

Giants get: OF Angel Pagan
Mets get: RP Ramon Ramirez, OF Andres Torres

Now that is a trade I can sink my teeth into. Ramirez was awesome last year, Pagan needed a change of scenery, and this frees up room for Captain Kirk to be in center field at some point in 2012.

Triple Naitch

12-06-2011, 10:10 PM

Now add Frank Francisco to the mix.

12-06-2011, 10:11 PM

Wouldn't make sense for the Red Sox to go after Nakajima considering they are stacked at the SS spot with young players and its guaranteed to be Jose Iglesias spot once he's ready.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs are the third team in the Pujols sweepstakes.

Already been reported that the Cubs made an offer. No details on offer. I think Pujos his staying in St. Louis.

Gertner

12-06-2011, 10:57 PM

Rauch is garbage. Francisco had a nice second half for my Jays.

Skippord

12-06-2011, 11:12 PM

Angels are after Pujols now, kind of hoping they get him

Supreme Olajuwon

12-06-2011, 11:16 PM

Hanley Ramirez says he's not moving to 3rd base. Probably should've asked him before they signed Reyes.

FearedSanctity

12-06-2011, 11:17 PM

screech

12-06-2011, 11:43 PM

Hanley Ramirez says he's not moving to 3rd base. Probably should've asked him before they signed Reyes.

Just let them play right next to each other.

Skippord

12-07-2011, 12:01 AM

Alright Skip, I follow the Rockies every year all year during the regular season, but never pay attention to baseball's offseason. Are they consistently this jewy? I mean, obv they shelled out cash to Tulo and Gonzales, but I don't think I've ever heard of them paying for a FA I've ever heard of. EDUCATE ME BRO
They generally don't like to spend too much on Free Agency, they're mostly more interested in keeping their own guys locked up and making more small moves in Free Agency. I think it's mostly because of the Mike Hampton signing and not wanting to overestimate free agents.

Should be making a few trades in the next couple days at least though.

screech

12-07-2011, 12:42 AM

So Pujols wants no-trade protection for the first five years of his deal.

Marlins president, David Samson: “We don’t do no-trade clauses.”

I think the best hitter in the game would warrant an exception.

Read that here: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/albert-pujols-pursued-by-los-angeles-angels-after-miami-marlins-10-year-contract-offer-120611

Hardkore Kidd J

12-07-2011, 04:05 AM

Hanley Ramirez says he's not moving to 3rd base. Probably should've asked him before they signed Reyes.

Before I thought Hanley had said he had no problem moving to third for Reyes. I wonder what changed his mind.

ClockShot

12-07-2011, 07:24 AM

MLB is the first pro-sport in North America to issue dress guidelines for all media.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7325383/mlb-bans-visible-undergarments-muscle-shirts-more-dress-code-media-members

Evil Vito

12-07-2011, 07:36 AM

9th: Francisco
7th and 8th: Ramirez/Rauch

Potentially bumping Bobby Parnell to a middle reliever, where I think he might thrive more since he just doesn't have the proper closer mentality. Parnell in the 6th is a good problem to have.

I seem to be the only Mets fan excited about Ramirez. He's been a quality reliever for 4 straight seasons now. I think the fanbase in general is just conditioned to good relievers coming to NY and just flaking out...but he's still better than what we have now so I like it.

ClockShot

12-07-2011, 11:54 AM

Padres aquire Huston Street from the Rockies for a PTBNL.

ClockShot

12-07-2011, 12:58 PM

Yankees end up winning the bidding for japanese SS Hiroyuki Nakajima. Only bid $2 mil. As usual, the team has 30 days to negotiate a deal.

Chatter going around is A. Nakajima wanted to land with a west coast team. And B. will he play second fiddle to Derek Jeter?

RoXer

12-07-2011, 01:27 PM

Can't even afford a backup catcher. :| 

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Gertner

12-07-2011, 02:01 PM

Maybe Jon Rauch can catch since he can't pitch.

Gertner

12-07-2011, 02:02 PM

Kinda excited about the Jays season, although if they aren't gonna bother to try and contend at the very latest 2013 they might as well deal Jose Bautista

Triple Naitch

12-07-2011, 04:13 PM

Happy to see Big Papi accept arbitration and return to Boston. Can't envision him or Pujols playing in any other uniform.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-07-2011, 04:16 PM

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Triple Naitch

12-07-2011, 04:18 PM

That's David Arias-Ortiz. Not Big Papi.

Hanso Amore

12-07-2011, 04:58 PM

Wow. Jeter to DH or Outfield like Cashman has wanted?

Gertner

12-07-2011, 05:13 PM

Marlins sign Mark Buehrle 4 years 58 million

Evil Vito

12-07-2011, 05:18 PM

lol jesus christ Marlins

Gertner

12-07-2011, 05:24 PM

lol definitely aren't messing around

Innovator

12-07-2011, 05:38 PM

Marlins, calm the fuck down.

Innovator

12-07-2011, 05:38 PM

Guys I'm worried about Vito. I don't think he can handle the Phillies and this potential new Marlins team in the same division as the Mets.

ClockShot

12-07-2011, 06:00 PM

Marlins, calm the fuck down.

Hey bro. Remember MLB offseason '08. Yankees went bananas.

I guess Loria decided to read a few pages of "How to build a baseball team"

Evil Vito

12-07-2011, 06:27 PM

Guys I'm worried about Vito. I don't think he can handle the Phillies and this potential new Marlins team in the same division as the Mets.

Meh. I've accepted that the Mets are shittily run a long time ago, the Reyes saga just takes the cake. Hard to imagine that back in 07-08 just about everybody expected Reyes to finish off his career with the Mets, shatter every club record, and eventually get his number retired. Now all of that is off the table and the Mets didn't even make an offer. Reyes did an interview with WFAN and you could just tell that he didn't feel wanted. I imagine this is what Mets fans felt like when they let Strawberry walk.

Despite the fact that I really like the moves made yesterday, 2012 still figures to be a long year especially with these two juggernauts in the division. They're obviously going to need some of the 2011 Arizona Diamondbacks mojo if they want to be relevant. I'll always watch the games on TV of course, but I do think 2012 may be the first time since like '97 that I don't go to a Mets home game. Going to a game is hardly inexpensive, and I just don't feel comfortable giving the Wilpons a dime of my money. Many others feel the same, and I think Citi Field will be a ghost town for much of next season unless something shocking develops.

Evil Vito

12-07-2011, 06:31 PM

In other news, the Marlins are still keeping the Pujols offer on the table on the offchance he accepts, and if not - they will go to Fielder. Along with that, they have offered CJ Wilson 6 years, $90 million...I have my doubts that anybody will top that.

This offseason could wind up blowing every other offseason out of the water from a money standpoint. This could also blow up in their face if the fans still don't care about baseball.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-07-2011, 07:56 PM

If I'm Fielder I'm not giving anybody the time of day if they're waiting for Pujols to sign before making me an offer. Fuck that.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-07-2011, 07:56 PM

I think I'd feel more comfortable giving Fielder a long term deal anyway.

Emperor Smeat

12-07-2011, 08:22 PM

I doubt Fielder is going to sign before Pujols because Pujols value could rise the longer the Pujols sweepstakes lasts which could benefit Fielder in asking for a higher contract.

If he signs too early and Pujols ends up managing to get an extra $20-$50 million tacked onto his contract, that would be extra money lost Fielder could have tried to squeeze out once Pujols sets the max amount.

Droford

12-07-2011, 08:30 PM

Can't believe people are even insinuating that the Orioles are the 2nd mystery team in for Pujols behind the Cardinals and Angels.

A) Angelos isn't gonna spend $200 million/10 years on anyone.
B) Pujols wouldn't come to Baltimore for $1 billion a year.
C) Even though it clears up a hole, it means they probably won't get around to fixing the pitching staff, like..ever.
D) Id rather if they were going to spend $200 million, it would be on Fielder anyway

Supreme Olajuwon

12-07-2011, 08:34 PM

yeah nobody talks about Baltimore except you

screech

12-07-2011, 08:43 PM

Who the hell would think Baltimore is a mystery team for Pujols?

Supreme Olajuwon

12-07-2011, 08:44 PM

can't believe all these rumors that the Royals are the mystery team to sign Pujols

Droford

12-07-2011, 09:36 PM

Who the hell would think Baltimore is a mystery team for Pujols?

The unidentified teams in the bidding must have both the wherewithal to pay Pujols, a need to upgrade at first base and, perhaps, the ability to spin off players to create payroll room for him. Some clubs who could fit the profile:

Mariners. Trading Justin Smoak could bring back another part. General manager Jack Zduriencik has been coy about the club's plans, only acknowledging that they are in on fellow first baseman Prince Fielder and trying to stay under the radar.
Rangers. Texas would likely need to clear some payroll room to accommodate Pujols, but they also have veterans with decent trade value, such as Michael Young.
Nationals. They have money to spend, a long-term need at first and young players in Ryan Zimmerman and Bryce Harper who could use an anchor like Pujols.
Orioles. This would be a true shocker, given that they're years from contending, but it would jolt a franchise in need of one.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/index

Ive heard rumors that the Os were looking to <s>rape the Mariners again in a trade</s> talk to the Mariners about Smoak though.

DaveWadding

12-07-2011, 10:02 PM

Read a rumor that the Cubs could land Prince for Ryan Howard type money (5 years/ $125 mil). Sounds like a bargain for Prince. But I'd rather have Pujols.

Triple Naitch

12-07-2011, 10:15 PM

No way Prince signs for Howard money. Pujols is only gonna wind up making ~$22mm a year and teams won't sign Prince for more than they would have paid for Pujols. It's a shame that Pujols won't be the highest paid first baseman, but he got more long-term security at a younger age than Howard, Teixiera, A-Gon.

I think a couple of years ago, Prince offered the Brewers the chance to sign him to a 9 year $178mm extension but they refused. That would have been a bargain now.

Dragon

12-07-2011, 10:49 PM

Fielder could definitely get $25M/year if he takes a shorter deal like suggested.

The reason Pujols isn't making 25M or more a year is because he wants 9 or 10 years.

Hardkore Kidd J

12-08-2011, 04:46 AM

Read a rumor that the Cubs could land Prince for Ryan Howard type money (5 years/ $125 mil). Sounds like a bargain for Prince. But I'd rather have Pujols.

You forget who Prince Fielders agent is? Scott Boras! Boras is gonna make sure Prince gets as much money as he can out of this . I think it's gonna be a 9 year contract.

MVP

12-08-2011, 08:36 AM

If Fielder gets a long-term deal I think he's more likely to go to the AL.

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 10:08 AM

Pujols to the Angels. 10 years, $260 million. Full no trade clause. Holy fuck.

Innovator

12-08-2011, 10:13 AM

Shit.

Gertner

12-08-2011, 10:14 AM

Jays re-up with Kelly Johnson for a year. Very happy to see him back at 2nd.

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 10:20 AM

Absolute bedlam on the Cardinals message board. Jersey burnings. People calling for Pujols to not get a statue or his number retired. Insanity.

Gertner

12-08-2011, 10:25 AM

post some links Vito, i wanna read these

MVP

12-08-2011, 10:25 AM

At least he's not taking his talents to South Beach.

Innovator

12-08-2011, 10:35 AM

"He waited just long enough for the Cardinals to miss opportunities with all the guys they wanted as back up plans. Hes no true Cardinal as of today. Also cause he's going to LA when he retires he'll go in the Hall as an Angel.
I understand Pujols being upset at the Cardinals, but when do the players ever consider the fans. The organization messes up, and the fans never do him wrong and support him more then anyone, and we filled the stands to get him the first 100+ million he got, and he didn't flinch once the Angels gave him 250 over the Cards 220. What a true fake. And now he's not a Cardinal, what a true PED greed jaw jacked MANG.

PLEASE PLEASE NO STATUE WHEN HE RETIRES. THAT FROM ONE TRUE CARDINALS FAN."

Hardkore Kidd J

12-08-2011, 10:46 AM

Pujols to the Angels. 10 years, $260 million. Full no trade clause. Holy fuck.

Okay here's the big question: Who is gonna get traded now? I have a feeling either Trumbo or Morales are gone. Who do you think it is? I'd have to say Trumbo package for.........maybe a pitcher probably.

MVP

12-08-2011, 10:47 AM

If I'm the Rangers or the Mariners I'm going hard after Fielder now.

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 10:48 AM

Yeah, just type in "Cardinals Message Board" on google and you'll see the hate. I'd post links but I have to browse TPWW on my phone at work and there's no easy way to post links on here. :( Stupid work filters.

Pujols in another jersey is gonna look fucking weird.

screech

12-08-2011, 10:53 AM

lol now he's on PED because he left the team.

OssMan

12-08-2011, 10:54 AM

What an asshole. Will be hard to root for him now.

Innovator

12-08-2011, 11:03 AM

Aguakate I see you lurking.

Hardkore Kidd J

12-08-2011, 11:04 AM

I did want Albert to leave. It's not that I hate the Cards. I like them just fine. It just makes for a much more interesting 2012 season with free agents on a different team. But, the Angels? I am kinda worried about them because they cream the Yankees every time. This might have been the straw that's gonna make either Texas or Seattle spend the money on Fielder. I wonder though if the Cardinals will put Berkman at first now. He had a extremely good 2011.

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 11:05 AM

And CJ Wilson has signed with the Angels too.

Hardkore Kidd J

12-08-2011, 11:07 AM

And CJ Wilson has signed with the Angels too.

Where did you read this? I just checked MLB.com no more then 10 seconds ago and I didn't read anything about that. Does anyone have a link to that?

Innovator

12-08-2011, 11:08 AM

Shit, CJ on the Angels has a #2 behind Weaver is a strong 1-2. That's why I was hoping Cashman would go after him.

MVP

12-08-2011, 11:09 AM

Joel Sherman broke the C.J. Wilson news.

http://twitter.com/#!/Joelsherman1/statuses/144807265420066816

Innovator

12-08-2011, 11:10 AM

I wonder how Angel fans feel now about signing a 45 year old for a 10 year contract.

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 11:11 AM

MSN Sports and MLB Trade Rumors. Wilson took one less year to play for his home town.

That being said, Angels better win a World Series soon before these contracts come back to bite them in the ass.

Hardkore Kidd J

12-08-2011, 11:13 AM

I wonder how Angel fans feel now about signing a 45 year old for a 10 year contract.

Where did you get 45 from? He's like 31 which means he will be like 42 or 43 when his contract is up.

Innovator

12-08-2011, 11:14 AM

Where did you get 45 from? He's like 31 which means he will be like 42 or 43 when his contract is up.

You missed the whole part of people questioning his age.

screech

12-08-2011, 11:15 AM

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 11:19 AM

I think the only reason people question Pujols' age is because he was just freakishly good at such a young age.

FearedSanctity

12-08-2011, 11:21 AM

Joel Sherman broke the C.J. Wilson news.

http://twitter.com/#!/Joelsherman1/statuses/144807265420066816

For whatever reason there's a reporter on Twitter who constantly breaks news hours/days/weeks before anyone else and never gets any credit. Broke the Reyes signing in November and said they were just holding off on announcing it. And as far as the Wilson news...

@incarceratedbob Incarcerated Bob
**UPDATED MLB NEWS**Source: CJ Wilson has agreed in "PRINCIPLE" with Angels - Deal should be finalized in next 48Hours (Marlins made push)
20 hours ago via web

No point linking to it as he's made his tweets private recently. If you have Twitter he's def worth a follow. Dude is on his shit and covers NFL, MLB and NHL

Innovator

12-08-2011, 11:32 AM

C.J. Wilson gets 5 years, 77.5 million.

Dragon

12-08-2011, 11:48 AM

I really thought that Hank Steinbrenner was the only person stupid enough to give a 32 year old a 10 year contract.

Triple Naitch

12-08-2011, 12:34 PM

Cardinals fans can be disappointed but they shouldn't be angry like that forum guy. This is nowhere near as bad as LeBron. The guy won you two World Series and gave ten of the best years ever in baseball. I'll never fault a guy for taking the most money.

12-08-2011, 01:17 PM

I bet the Cubs fleece the Rangers for there top prospects for Garza now.

Splaya

12-08-2011, 01:51 PM

The period that was the calm at the beginning of the GM meetings is now being replaced by the storm. Really wonder what shoe is going to drop next...where do you guys think Fielder is going to end up....putting my money on the Cubs or Rangers

Emperor Smeat

12-08-2011, 01:53 PM

ESPN probably now will push Angels-Marlins as their "dream" World Series match for next year.

The bigger news for the Angels is with Pujols, they can now take over the LA market from the Dodgers which is something they've wanted ever since moving near LA.

:lol: at that Card fan message post just trashing Pujols even though he helped a lot in giving that team 2 titles and 3 WS appearances in the time he was with the club. I could see if he left for a rival for people to be angry but he left out of the NL which ends up being good for the Cardinals.

:lol: at the Astros, they leave the NL Central for the AL West and now have to deal with Pujols again.

Evil Vito

12-08-2011, 01:58 PM

K-Rod is the biggest loser this offseason. He gladly took away his massive 2012 vesting option so that he could cash in as a free agent and go back to being a closer. Instead, he had to accept arbitration and will be back with the Brewers as a set up man.

Sucks for the Brewers too because now they have to pay him around $13 million.