Official RAW Thread for 12/05/11: Boo This Man!

[el bobbo]

Really?

[Skippord]

I may not like Kevin Nash, but if he keeps Jackknifing Santino I will become his biggest fan

[Skippord]

Brodus Clay will never debut

[Blakeamus]

Brodus Clay trending? Did they even mention him on RAW?

[Innovator]

I may not like Kevin Nash, but if he keeps Jackknifing Santino I will become his biggest fan
If only Hornswoggle was the landing pad for Santino.

[Skippord]

I would like to know WWE InterAction's opinion on this

[Supreme Olajuwon]

god damn Nash is vascular

women love a vascular man

[Innovator]

Evan Bourne sighting!

AND PPPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK

[Immortal Moose]

lol evan and punk

[ClockShot]

Hey, pot head's back. Guess he needs a welcome back match.

[Cool King]

Bourne asking Punk for advice on how to not take drugs.

[Providence Peep]

Did we just see CM Punk giving Evan Bourne advice on how to be straight edge?

[Skippord]

If Nash Jackknifed Santino and Hornswoggle through Michael Cole and Twitter I would go into a marking out coma

[Rollermacka]

Hey, pot head's back. Guess he needs a welcome back match.

Brodus Clay?

[Theo Dious]

Nash bleeds pure HGH.

Where do you think HGH comes from? THE SKY???

[RawRocks]

Tribute To The Troops is one of the best things.. look forward to it every year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Dolllllllllllllllllllllllllph

Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph Dolph

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I like Dolph

[ClockShot]

Ziggy/Sheamus now.

They could POSSIBLY squeeze in Brodus right before this contract thingy.

[Providence Peep]

Ziggy/Sheamus now.

They could POSSIBLY squeeze in Brodus right before this contract thingy.

Brodus can't be SQUEEZED IN anywhere!

[BizarroKing]

I think Clay's getting released next week.

[Blakeamus]

The streak has been broken!

[ClockShot]

Yeah okay.

[Theo Dious]

Since when do they play theme music for every run-in?

[Immortal Moose]

WWE_Creative WWE Creative
The word you're looking for is "overexposed". #RAWTonight
43 seconds ago

[ClockShot]

WWE_Creative WWE Creative
The word you're looking for is "overexposed". #RAWTonight
43 seconds ago

Yo, somebody fire a tweet to creative and ask them when they're gonna let Brodus Clay out of the cage.

[BizarroKing]

Contract signing next. We wish Brodus "Lardo" Clay well in his future endeavors.

[Cool King]

Brodus Clay's Raw debut being delayed for the 5th straight week.

Has he died or something and the WWE just isn't telling anyone?

[Corndad]

Brodus got cut again hahahaha

[Skippord]

hey it's time for two really bland guys and three charismatic guys

[Blakeamus]

wait what about Brodus Clay?

[Rollermacka]

What did he hell did say?

Raspy, raspy, raspy, Brodus Clay?

[Immortal Moose]

at least he was mentioned

[Rollermacka]

Punk said a bad word. Punk said the H word, thats a no no

[Emperor Smeat]

:rofl:

[Corndad]

Morrison dig lol

[ClockShot]

:rofl:

ZING!

[Immortal Moose]

damn

[Corporate CockSnogger]

hahahahaha

[el bobbo]

You HOMO. You have a VAGINA.

[Skippord]

after this Johnny Ace is going to go kick John Morrison in the nuts

[Corndad]

Punks gonna start drinking HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Corndad]

Photo Op. Really? lol

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Lol Laurinitis is becoming a great character.

[Flash Funk]

Ricardo is simply the best..just the little things like covering Del Rio's ears when the fans started to chant for Punk. And why did the announcers not mention the 1-2-12 promo? They would had to have seen it.

[Wake Up Call]

Excluding the Diva's match, I think this is the first Raw in a long time, that I didn't fast forward most of it.

Hustle Loyalty Respect, oh and cheat if it means helping a friend. Cena is a hypocrite!!

No but seriously, good show tonight

[Theo Dious]

And why did the announcers not mention the 1-2-12 promo? They would had to have seen it.

Have they ever mentioned that promo when it airs? It wouldn't necessarily be fed into their monitors and their headsets. But if they've mentioned it before and didn't this time, yeah, that's gaysex.

[Lock Jaw]

I really enjoyed tonight's show. Felt like a really tight show. No wasted space. Aside from the Divas match, of course.

I wonder what Cena does at TLC now. There are no more top/top-of-mid level heels for him to face.

[Juan]

After Monday's RAW from Tampa went off the air, there was a 41-man battle royal with the winner getting a WWE Championship match against CM Punk immediately.

Dolph Ziggler appeared to be eliminated early in the match and it came down to Zack Ryder, Cody Rhodes and Jack Swagger. After Ryder eliminated Rhodes and Swagger, Ziggler snuck in an eliminated Ryder to win the match and get the shot at Punk.

Out came CM Punk to defend the title against Ziggler with Vickie Guererro in his corner. There were "Vicky sucks" and "we want ice cream" chants during the match. Punk hit Ziggler with a knee in the corner and followed up with the Anaconda vice to get the win.

[Corndad]

Ryder earned his money tonight lol 2 matches and was the next to last in the battle royal after.

[St. Jimmy]

Good matches, lackluster show. This entire Cena thing urked me.

[ClockShot]

Solid Raw last night. But I'll give Brodus Clay 1 more week before I declare him a lost cause.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I hope Laurinaitis gets a title match soon.

[XCaliber]

I could see down the road that Ryder tries returning the favor only to end up screwing Cena of the WWE Championship by accident and then he snaps thus leading into the heel turn.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hopefully he snaps and becomes a badass submission machine.

#HesInTheZone

[Hanso Amore]

Why is every other post about "insert name here" SNAPPING and going heel? Why do they all have to SNAP. Why cant they just naturally turn? Why is it always SNAP HEEL TURN WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MONSTER HEEL PUSH BROS

[Hanso Amore]

What is more than likely is that this will be forgotten by next monday with no mention.

[Hanso Amore]

Isnt Ryder a bit too close in age to Cena to be referred to as kid?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Undertaker and Stone Cold used to refer to people as "son" when they were clearly not those people's fathers.

[Hanso Amore]

Touche.

I just think 34 to 26 isnt much of a jump to beat the THIS KID WORKS HIS ASS OFF AND NEEDS A BREAK.

Its like, hes 26 and been in the WWE for like 4 years...hardly a KID IMHO.

Also, Cena is only 34. He has the Face of the Company for 7 years. We have at least 7 more.

[DaveBrawl]

Wait, Ryder's younger than Cena? He's only 26?

I thought he was in his mid 30's.

[Hanso Amore]

NO WAY BRO

[DaveBrawl]

I am awful at judging peoples ages apparently.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The last words of a pedophile.

[DaveBrawl]

It's true, I'm Superslim.

[ace3025]

Good raw, bad ratings.... Please don't knee-jerk react to this wwe

[Blakeamus]

Needed more CM Punk.

[Anybody Thrilla]

And less Zack Ryder, really.

[Gertner]

Raw drew a 2.98 rating. That's what happens when you have Daniel Bryan on your show.

[Innovator]

And less Zack Ryder, really.
And less Johnny Ace. Please.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That too.

Don't get me wrong, I like Zack Ryder...but even I started to get sick of seeing him. He was in like four fucking segments and TWO matches. Dial it back, guys. Punk was only on for the last segment.

[Triple Naitch]

Can't tell if WWE is trying to associate Cena with Ryder to get more cheers for Cena or if they are purposely trying to overexpose Ryder and associate him with Cena to get less cheers.

[Gertner]

That too.

Don't get me wrong, I like Zack Ryder...but even I started to get sick of seeing him. He was in like four fucking segments and TWO matches. Dial it back, guys. Punk was only on for the last segment.

I agree. LOVE Ryder, but come on. I love pizza, but if I eat it all the time I'd get sick of it.

[XCaliber]

If Ziggler can get two PPV matches in one night I don't have any issues with Ryder having two just on freaking tv as long as he's not pulling a Super-Cena in both of em it's fine by me.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You seriously don't think that was too much Ryder? The two matches were pushing it, but what really put it over the top was when he ran down AGAIN for Ziggler's match after it already seemed like he had his moment for the night. It was just excessive. I feel like some people may still be riding the high of Ryder's story (and it's a great story), but if you seriously saw that much of Ryder every week, I doubt you'd be as into him.

In a case like Ryder's, I think the term "less is more" applies. Think about Survivor Series when the crowd was just clamoring to see him, then the pop he got when he finally DID show up out of nowhere. It's impossible to sustain that energy when you show the same guy in two matches and two additional segments. If it were up to me, I'd keep the Ryder appearances VERY limited and more surprising. I would let the crowd beg for him all night and FINALLY spring him out there for a moment. At least for now. We can't forget that the guy was just a huge jobber not too long ago. Even in kayfabe, he doesn't deserve that much air time. Ziggler may have two matches on a PPV, but that's because he's a CHAMPION, and he warrants that kind of attention.

Also, let's not forget that Dolph Ziggler is about forty one thousand times better than Zack Ryder.

[Anybody Thrilla]

There's just no reason to have a guy who JUST stopped jobbing on the show that often and have your WWE champion on for one closing segment and hardly mentioned otherwise. The water will run dry at an astounding rate if this continues.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

And less Johnny Ace. Please.

Never!

[DaveBrawl]

Also, let's not forget that Dolph Ziggler is about forty one thousand times better than Zack Ryder.

Is that a scientifically derived figure?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well I definitely didn't just pull it out of my ass, that's for sure.

[#1-norm-fan]

The thing with Cena giving up his title shot for Ryder should have been a great endearing moment for Cena and awesome for his character. But people are douchebags.

[Jordan]

You guys are so fickle. It was one show that gave fans exactly what they have wanted, Ryder in the spotlight gaining his title shot. Ontop of that when the hell has any secondary title had a story this powerful in the last several years. I can't stand how fickle the IWC can be, why jump the gun on saying Ryder is over exposed because of one major angle on Raw that has been building for months?

WWE is making new stars and Ryder is leading the pack, and on a side note he may be a strong reason as to why Colt Cabana didn't get a spot on Raw.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Ryder was on the show too fucking much. That's all there is to it.

[Lock Jaw]

Chill out. It was just for one week. One show.

And it made good storytelling. It is making the US Championship important.

First match was fine.

Second match was as much about Cena as it was about Ryder, so that's fine.

His run in was just advancing the story between him and Ziggles some more. I see no problem with it at all.


If they have Ryder on the show as much weeks in a row, I agree, it would get tiring.

But for one week? And in the context of good storytelling? Making the US Title important? Giving it some focus and spotlight, which is what people are always clamoring for? Meanwhile, doing something semi-interesting with John Cena?

Good stuff.

[Anybody Thrilla]

It wasn't enough to ruin the show for me, but let's not pretend that he wasn't featured too much on that particular show. Because he was.

[#1-norm-fan]

I bet this wouldn't be as much of an issue if the crowd didn't suck ass and Ryder was getting his typical reaction.

[Gertner]

I felt the exact same way as AT.

[XCaliber]

For all we know this could be the high point of his carreer so I'm not going to complain but if it starts happening on a weekly basis with him rather than other talents well then I would have an issue.

[ddpBANG]

Definitely too much Ryder, and I'm a fan of the kid.

[Aguakate]

Ryder was on the show too fucking much. That's all there is to it.

Shoot, 3/4 of the show was written around Ryder.