Bret Hart: HBK Stole The Ladder Match From Me

[MisterLee]

By Ryan Clark on Monday, June 11th, 2012 at 11:23 PM EST

Here’s Bret Hart speaking with Arda Ocal about his WrestleMania 8 match and more. Check out some highlights:
On his WrestleMania 8 match with Roddy Piper: “When I realized I was going to wrestle Roddy Piper, my gut instinct told me that Piper was going to keep the title for a while, and I would sort of be back up to him. It didn’t work out like that, and I’m glad it didn’t because I kind of had my heart set on a good healthy long run as the Intercontinental champion. I thought at the time I got the title that I earned it and I wanted to have my chance. When i lost it to “The Mountie” I thought ‘They never gave me my chance.’”
On Piper ‘passing the torch’ to him and other wrestlers not doing the same: “For him to pass the torch down to me, kind of thing, was a pretty big step for me. At that time a lot of wrestlers didn’t want to make that kind of effort for me, and I’m not sure why or what their arguments might have been. So many guys when I look back on my career, like even when I won the World Title I was supposed to go over on ‘Warrior’, i would have gone over on ‘Warrior’ at the ‘Rumble’, never happened. I was supposed to wrestle Jake Roberts first at ‘Survivor Series’, never happened,” … “its too bad in the case of Jake Roberts, he’s a guy that, I had this great career and never wrestled Jake Roberts one time.”
On creating the ladder match and Shawn Michaels stealing the idea: “[Vince] told me to pick anybody I wanted, I said ‘I’ll pick Shawn’ because I was good friends with Shawn back then. I went to Shawn and said ‘We’re going to do a ladder match’ and he didn’t know what it was either. I tried to explain it to him. I knew it was a million dollar idea. Once I showed him how to do it I knew it would be a great idea” … “And then Shawn stole then idea from me. It was the idea that was the the million dollar idea. A lot of guys could have had a great ladder match, a lot of guys have. But it was the idea that I brought forth that they stole from me.”

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This guy seems so bitter.

[Seth82]

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[St. Jimmy]

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[Fignuts]

It's starting to get really sad.

I couldn't watch the Bret vs Shawn dvd all the way through, because it was just so embarrassing how shawn was being all humble, and bret was taking credit for this and that, talking shit about shawn.

Get over yourself.

[JimmyMess]

Bret is really gone now.

[MisterLee]

Yeah I seen the Bret hart HBK rivalry documentary on Netflix and Bret Hart was just irritating..dude was overly contradictory.

[Nicky Fives]

Shawn was a mega-asshole during the time..... give the guy a break.....

[Swish]

Woo Woo Woo, that's all Bret ever does is moan...

I can understand now why Vince made the choice to screw
Bret from the title at SurvivorSeries. He's a cry baby..

He wouldn't loose to HBK when it was the right thing to do
HBK was becoming a bigger star than Bret.. Vince said it right

Bret Screwed Bret...

[Keith]

Geez, Bret really needs to let go. He's made his peace with Vince and Shawn, he was inducted into the HOF, he was able to come back to live television for a couple months and even wrestle, what else does he want?

I like Bret and I think he's one of the best ever, but he really has to stop this. The past is in the past, move the fuck on. Shawn, Vince (and everyone else Bret has had a problem with) are doing just fine, living their life. Why can't he do the same?

[Jordan]

He's just that classic bitter old rassler.

[James Steele]

Geez...I guess the opening line from Shawn's book was right: Bret Hart was a mark for himself/believed his own gimmick.

[Big Vic]

Geez, Bret really needs to let go. He's made his peace with Vince and Shawn, he was inducted into the HOF, he was able to come back to live television for a couple months and even wrestle, what else does he want?

I like Bret and I think he's one of the best ever, but he really has to stop this. The past is in the past, move the fuck on. Shawn, Vince (and everyone else Bret has had a problem with) are doing just fine, living their life. Why can't he do the same?
They even gave him the US title.

[Keith]

It's sad that the guy who calls himself "The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be" can only keep himself relevant by whining about things that happened 20 years ago.

[CSL]

dunno what the big deal is here, I mean yeah Bret likes to hold onto some things but having watched the video, I'm not sure what some of you are complaining about. He's says "Shawn stole it from me" once or twice (which is pretty much true) and that's it. Can't blame the guy for being "well that's a bit shit" after what HBK and Razor achieved and how that was received when Bret bought up the idea in the first place and he was supposed to be part of it. Pro wrestling is all about ego. Anybody in Bret's shoes regarding this stuff would probably feel the same. It's not like he goes on some long rant or gets angry or is insulting HBK etc.

[Keith]

The problem is that it's not the first time he complains about "HBK stealing his idea". He's gone on and on about it for years now, everytime the topic of ladder matches comes up.

[CSL]

and it's his fault that people keep asking him about it? if he was all "I don't want to talk about it", people would probably say the same kind of stuff. At times he hasn't done himself many favours but he can't win sometimes when it comes to the internet.

[Keith]

Well he should be the bigger man and say "I did bring it up at one point, and actually did wrestle Shawn once in a Ladder Match, but it didn't make it to ppv. However, Shawn and Scott did it at WrestleMania and did a great job".

And that'd be it. Not go on the "they stole my idea, it should've been me" rant.

No one would ask again. But again, the only way he seems to stay relevant is by talking about stuff that happened 15 to 20 years ago, so.

I mean, look at him. All the things he accomplished, the great career he had, the multiple Championships he won, and he says that he feels he never got "a chance" at a long run as Intercontinental Champion because he lost it to The Mountie.

I mean, damn.

[CSL]

lol how many guys are "the bigger man" in pro wrestling? you're living in a fantasy world if you think anybody that was at one time a "name" in the history of professional wrestling is going to be all humble and backslapping as opposed to letting the world know how great they were and that goes for everybody including all of your favourite wrestlers. I'm fairly sure he's stated in the past about the good job done by HBK/Razor. And that's equally as truthful as the fact that yeah, it probably should have been a part of Bret's legacy.

And really? rant? he stated what happened in a pretty calm and collected manner if you ask me. And let's not be naive and pretend that nobody would have bought it up again.

[Jura]

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[Jura]

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[Keith]

lol how many guys are "the bigger man" in pro wrestling? you're living in a fantasy world if you think anybody that was at one time a "name" in the history of professional wrestling is going to be all humble and backslapping as opposed to letting the world know how great they were and that goes for everybody including all of your favourite wrestlers. I'm fairly sure he's stated in the past about the good job done by HBK/Razor. And that's equally as truthful as the fact that yeah, it probably should have been a part of Bret's legacy.

And really? rant? he stated what happened in a pretty calm and collected manner if you ask me. And let's not be naive and pretend that nobody would have bought it up again.


All I'm saying is that a guy as accomplished as he is should not harp on the negative. He had a great career and should focus on the positives. That is all.

[DrCrawford]

yeah this isnt really new to hear, as he talks about it in his book

[Jura]

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[James Steele]

lol how many guys are "the bigger man" in pro wrestling? you're living in a fantasy world if you think anybody that was at one time a "name" in the history of professional wrestling is going to be all humble and backslapping as opposed to letting the world know how great they were and that goes for everybody including all of your favourite wrestlers. I'm fairly sure he's stated in the past about the good job done by HBK/Razor. And that's equally as truthful as the fact that yeah, it probably should have been a part of Bret's legacy.

And really? rant? he stated what happened in a pretty calm and collected manner if you ask me. And let's not be naive and pretend that nobody would have bought it up again.

Most guys in pro wrestling don't act like they are moral beacons of light.

[CSL]

oh for sure that is where Bret takes the piss a bit, the "holy man of Canada" stuff. But that's not what the complaints in this thread were about.

[Big Vic]

I am guessing Bret Hart would probably be a lackluster poster here at TPWW.

[Zeeboe]

When I was a kid, I would have loved to have seen Bret wrestle Jake Roberts, then the Warrior, instead of seeing Bret wrestle Razor Ramon twice.....was it Razor at Survivor Series 92'? I can't remember. I know he wrestled Razor at the 93' Rumble, and I'm pretty sure he faced Razor beforehand at the Survivor Series. Can't recall though.

In any case, I would have whether had seen Bret take on Razor Ramon on Prime Time Wrestling and/or Monday Night Raw, and have Bret take on Jake and the Warrior at the PPV's. Nothing against Razor Ramon, but he wasn't really that over at the time. Jake and Warrior however were icons and from the previous generation, so to have men like them put over Bret would have really helped Bret's career. The matches would have been classics and the promos would have been good.

It's a shame Jake and Warrior's choices to do drugs screwed over the fans. Bret vs Hogan would have been good too. If Jake, Warrior, and Hogan could have put over Bret, and tapped out to the sharpshooter, it would have made him twice the icon he became in my view, and really helped put over the sharpshooter as a very painful hold.

It would have even increased the Bret Hart/Bob Backlund feud later too and the "debate" about what the more deadly move was - The crossface chicken wing or the sharpshooter. WWF did a 1-900 number poll asking the fans who they thought had the better move. I remember the crossface chicken wing won by a landslide, and that right there goes to show that the sharpshooter just was not put over enough. I remember WWF put over the chicken wing like it was the most painful move ever, and the sharpshooter should have been given the same treatment in my view.


On another note, I do love hearing so much insider stuff all these years later though. I was a big WWF fan from 1990-2003, so I love hearing backstage stuff about that time in wrestling.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I saw the Bret/Shawn rivalry dvd, and he didn't come across as bitter at all. It's just Bret being Bret. The same here.

[James Steele]

I saw the Bret/Shawn rivalry dvd, and he didn't come across as bitter at all. It's just Bret being Bret. The same here.

So he is just a grump old coot? Understandably so, but still...

[Ruien]

The dude was screwed time and time again during his career. Is he suppose to be like "HBK is the best man ever" when he is asked about him? Sure HBK seems more humble because guess what? He did the screwing and got ahead because of it.

[James Steele]

The dude was screwed time and time again during his career. Is he suppose to be like "HBK is the best man ever" when he is asked about him? Sure HBK seems more humble because guess what? He did the screwing and got ahead because of it.

Bret only got screwed twice in his career and he deserved one of them. He got screwed in Montreal because he couldn't be the bigger man despite claiming to be the paragon of virtue and refused to do business. Vince McMahon had no other choice but to do what he did. Bret got screwed in WCW just because WCW had no clue how to function and Goldberg's stupidity ended Bret's career.

[Vastardikai]

Also, you do know who was in the first Ladder Match in WWF history? Shawn Micheals. And the name of his opponent?

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So he is just a grump old coot? Understandably so, but still...

Yeah he's just a grumpy guy.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bret only got screwed twice in his career and he deserved one of them. He got screwed in Montreal because he couldn't be the bigger man despite claiming to be the paragon of virtue and refused to do business. Vince McMahon had no other choice but to do what he did. Bret got screwed in WCW just because WCW had no clue how to function and Goldberg's stupidity ended Bret's career.

The screwjob was ugly business for all involved. Bret and Shawn's beef was simply over consistent breakdowns in communication between the two. Vince did what he thought he had to do as did Shawn, but it doesn't make it right. Bret has said time and time again he'd have dropped the title another way. Doesn't make him right either. I think there were just a lot of egos involved and something was bound to erupt. Just the way things went down. I think they've all moved past it.

WCW was fucking stupid however, for not doing the same damned thing Vince did in capitalizing. Bret was white hot following the screwjob and they had him become an nWo lacky after a feud with Flair and then with Hennig?

Bret is a frustrated guy as well as a straight shooter. He no longer hates Vince or Shawn, but he says what he feels. It's not like he's Ric Flair and spouting from the mouth. WWF fucked him over a lot in his career. Hogan, Warrior and Roberts all should have jobbed to him since he was supposed to be "the guy" and they never did. He's bitter for the same reason Shawn Michaels was a fucking prick throughout the 90's. Because it's a cutthroat business that treats those involved like shit.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bret also turned down contracts from WCW to STAY with Vince.

[James Steele]

That's the point. Bret shouldn't have had to drop the belt another way. He should have dropped the fucking belt the way he was told to.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That's the point. Bret shouldn't have had to drop the belt another way. He should have dropped the fucking belt the way he was told to.

I didn't disagree with you. However, putting yourself in bret's shoes, with the lack of respect shown to him by Shawn, would you have wanted to drop the belt to him?

There were ways to work around all of it. But egos are egos, and all three involved had massive ones.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Look at it like this. Bret chose not to take the high road, which makes him as wrong as the other two. But the other two were just as wrong as Bret.

[James Steele]

I didn't disagree with you. However, putting yourself in bret's shoes, with the lack of respect shown to him by Shawn, would you have wanted to drop the belt to him?

There were ways to work around all of it. But egos are egos, and all three involved had massive ones.

I understand why Bret was being a cunt about it, but when you claim to be the ultimate company guy, the ultimate good guy, the ultimate businessman then you don't throw a bitch fit because some drugged out asshole (who is talented as fuck) is supposed to win the title from you when you are leaving the company.

[Jura]

Rock should have worked with HBK. Stone Cold should have had a match with Hogan. HBK shouldn't have been a dick. Hunter shouldn't have banged Chyna. Eve should be with me. Nobody does everything they should, would or could for some reason or another.

[James Steele]

Only Bret has ever claimed to be the model of the perfect human being.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Only Bret has ever claimed to be the model of the perfect human being.

lol nobody's perfect James.

[BigCrippyZ]

I've got to admit, even though I could see how everyone involved let things get way out of hand and they all could have handled the Montreal situation better, I really felt bad for Bret over the years. It was great to see him come back though and apparently heal his relationship with Vince, Shawn and everyone and get some closure, etc.

After seeing the Bret/Shawn Greatest Rivalries DVD and seeing and hearing some of his comments since his return and closure, he really does still seem bitter and angry though, at least towards Shawn, and I've lost a lot of the sympathy and respect I had for him. I mean if he's really "put it all behind" him as he claims, he sure doesn't come across that way with comments like these, regardless of whether or not he's simply responding to a repeated question or what.

Sure, maybe they can work together and socialize some at this point, but he still comes across as the guy who is bitter and pissed off, at least at Shawn, for having such a great career. It's like he believes that Shawn just got lucky and was Vince's favorite, and if it wasn't for Shawn, Bret would've been the one having the great matches and career, instead of acknowledging the great talent, work and career that Shawn had. Instead of claiming Shawn "stole" the ladder match from him (like Bret invented it, when in fact he just "stole" the idea from his time in Canada), he could've simply said that Shawn and others have had some great ladder matches over the years, and that he's proud that he got to help bring something as iconic as the ladder match into the mainstream and the WWE with Shawn before the HBK/Hall WM ladder match.

[The MAC]

Wow, some of you are just looking for a reason to hate.

Bret said that he wanted brought the idea to Vince, he taught Shawn the concept of the ladder match. The first Ladder match was at a house show between bret and shawn - it was a trial run to show vince how it works.

Bret brought the concept from Stampede Wrestling into the WWF. He introduced Shawn to it. Shawn didn't ask Bret if he could use the concept - although in black and white Shawn didn't need to ask bret as bret doesn't own a trademark or a copyright on the ladder match - he should have as it is a sign of respect and brotherhood...

That was before shawn turned into a title forfeiting cunt.

[Swish]

Bret used to be one of my biggest favs back in the 90s but when the attitude era started to go full metal, I cheered for Austin/Taker,

The thing is Bret said he'd never step foot in wwe again,
yet my guess he was short on cash, and when Vince Called
they setteled a deal. Bret got screwed 3 times.

As you said James 1st was against HBK
2nd in wcw
But 3rd was by Vince MCmAHON AGAIN, this time over the rights to the wwf library.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Don't know how he was a dick in the bret and shawn rivalry dvd.

[The MAC]

brets story has never changed over the years. Shawn sat there and had every opportunity to defend himself - sat in there in a quiet guilt stupor.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I thought they both just told their sides of the story. Noone looked worse off for it. Both guys misunderstood one another. And Bret didn't think Shawn was a team player.

[Keith]

The thing that turns me off about Bret Hart is that he always makes it seem as if everyone, everyone, was out to get him. He's been playing the role of victim for well over a decade now.

[The MAC]

no thats not true... He has said on the dvd that a lot of the things were both his and shawns fault. He even said everyone had a hand in Montreal.

[MisterLee]

HBK > Bret Hart
http://rebelref.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/hbk-and-brett.jpg

[Keith]

no thats not true... He has said on the dvd that a lot of the things were both his and shawns fault. He even said everyone had a hand in Montreal.

You don't think Bret Hart makes it seem everyone was out to get him?

You should hear him talk about his relationship with Hulk Hogan, both in the WWF in 1993 and in WCW when Bret went there.

[CSL]

Hulk Hogan = everybody

[Vastardikai]

Hulk Hogan = everybody

What's hilarious to me is that if anyone not named Bret Hart was bitching about how Hogan fucked them over, they'd at least get a sympathetic ear.

But Bret? OMGZ HEZ SEW BITTERZ!!!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVEN!!!

[loopydate]

That's probably because "anyone not named Bret Hart" hasn't spent the last fifteen years complaining about how the wrestling world screwed him over to anyone who'll listen.

[CSL]

Vince & Shawn = the wrestling world

[loopydate]

And Hogan.

And, apparently, the Mountie.

[CSL]

agree with him or not, he has legitimate points when it comes to Vince, Hogan and Shawn and I don't recall The Mountie being mentioned in anything close to the same context

so yeah, definitely the whole wrestling world

[loopydate]

They really need to finish work on that sarcasm font.

[Keith]

And, apparently, the Mountie.


Haha I know, right? Even The Mountie screwed Bret out of having a long, healthy Intercontinental Championship run.

All this Canadian on Canadian crime has to stop.

[CSL]

They really need to finish work on that sarcasm font.

I think it's more a case of you learning when sarcasm is applicable http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[loopydate]

I'm just always sarcastic. I figure now and then I'll get one right.

[CSL]

going to just pretend that your response was "FUCK YOU, don't tell me when I can and can't use sarcasm"

[CSL]

I will uppercut your face off chief

[Tom Guycott]

The argument that ensues from Bret v. Shawn (personally, not a match) always seems to come down to "the prison effect".

That is to say, Shawn is treated like someone who went to prison for a few years, then comes out all Jesus saved and goes from being loved because he's the bad boy to loved for being the reformed bad boy. He gets showered with adoration in spite of making a career from being a self-serving asshole.

Bret, on the other hand, is the kid that kept his nose clean, got a B average in school, and everyone rags on him that he "should have got straight As then!" He's seen as "old and bitter" because in spite of his hard work, he'd not quite gotten the recognition he felt he rightfully deserved.

A better(?) measuring stick for what I'm going for would be to compare them to the Hardy Boyz. Not counting the batshit insanity that came later, mind you, think of their prime: you have Matt, who was a decent working "company guy" who got the Chavo treatment, and you had his "charismatic" fuck-up brother who got pushed to the moon because he jumped off shit whist smearing himself in blacklight bodypaint. In a world where we're always hearing about how hard work is supposed to pay off, Matt got the rep for being a whiny bitch (like Bret) and Jeff is just automatically forgiven because he's high profile and moves merch/puts asses in seats (like Shawn). It might be the way the business works, but it's not exactly fair.

The argument about the ladder match thing is basically it went from Shawn not having a clue WTF Bret was talking about to it becoming synonymous with Shawn (until the Hardyz- this time bringing them up was unintentional.)

Bret's had an awesome career to be sure. However, he feels he could have been treated better during it. It's not as simple as water under the bridge for everyone. Being treated like shit kinda does make you a grumpy fucker, and it isn't so much about how us fans feel about him for that career. This is more about how he was treated in relation to how he feels he should have been treated.

I dont' feel like he's ever really said that he should be getting his ass kissed and sloppy blowjobs at all times, but more like if he was so good and such a valuable asset to the company, he shouldn't have gotten treated like such a bastard stepchild so much.

[Keith]

(Oh, look, Bret feels Ric Flair was also sabotaging him. What a surprise).

From the front page:

http://www.tpww.net/2012/06/video-bret-hart-talks-working-w-ric-flair-more/


On Ric Flair and his matches with Ric in 1992 when Bret first became WWE champion: “Flair was a tricky guy to work with, when I worked with Ric. When he was champion we had much better matches and the moment the title got switched we seemed to screw up my match every night… I always felt it was sabotage. I actually went to Vince, cause (Flair) was leaving the company, I thought he was purposely screwing up to ruin my run. We finally got the agents and Flair in a room to try give a little better effort in the matches and at least follow the story line… He confessed his mind wasn’t into the matches and he was having some problems at home. We would go out after the big talk and have the same screwed up match as we had the night before. I think over a period of time over the next few weeks I can remember Vince coming up to me saying he didn’t think Ric Flair was doing it on purpose – that he just didn’t know hat he was doing. I kind of agreed after a while. Ric Flair, as great was and a hard worker as he was, he just tends to get lost in the ring.”

Bret Hart’s opinion on why his first WWE championship win came at a live event in Saskatoon and not on TV or PPV: “I think it must have been some kind of condition agreed to by Vince and Flair. I can’t imagine Flair saying that he didn’t want to lose on T.V or something like that- maybe it was something like that. I know Flair, upon dropping the title, gave Vince news that he was leaving and going back to WCW, at the time. So, I think it was all amicable. Vince was like probably happy to get rid of him- I think.”

[CSL]

brb going to go and start a thread about every wrestler ever and then post everything negative they've ever said about another professional wrestler. see you in about 700 years

[Kapoutman]

I'm with CSL. Imagine I quoted something he said in agreement to his post.

[Droford]

i cant believe jake roberts and bret never had a match..crazy

[Big Vic]

Bret is a paranoid guy, I think Bret it secretly sabotaging all the members of the Hart Foundation out of paranoia.

[Tom Guycott]

(Oh, look, Bret feels Ric Flair was also sabotaging him. What a surprise).



... Instead of quoting all that, I'll just get to my reply point.

There was a plotted point thread about the career of Hulk Hogan and how he would put himself in positions that made him look awesome and weasel out of situations that would make him look weak. Granted, people bashing Hogan is kind of the thing to do, like hating Cena and fellating the hot new thing to be on the cusp of the main event scene until they actually get to the main event scene, then they're "too mainstream/boring", but say it were Bret that put that together instead of a random TPWW poster, it somehow makes him just paranoid and bitter instead of wanting to think less of who he's mentioning.

You kind of forget, it has been talked about by others that Flair has been known to be a mark for himself. Maybe it *is* a possibility he sandbagged some matches with Bret. Ric isn't even the only person who has been said to do such things.

Again, it seems just because it's Bret Hart giving his opinion on how he percieved things happening around him during his career that he's "just making everyone out to be a villain". If this were anyone else, I'm sure you'd be more inclined to go "Wow, Flair was kind of being a dick." Just because it's Bret saying it shouldn't automatically make it catty attention seeking behavior.

[Crimson]

i cant believe jake roberts and bret never had a match..crazy

Yea..I woulda loved to have seen a heel Roberts against him. Heel Jake was short but sweet.

[RP]

I would imagine its hard to let go when the same person stepped on your dick,.your entire career. I also imagine is salt in the wound, now that.the same guy has changed his life and is contrite about it. Yah, he should move on, but it still hurts. Especially considering his career was ended premature.

Come to think about it. If any wrestler deserves to be bitter, its Brett Hart for sure. The guy has been through a lot.

Btw, I was at Wrestlemania 8. It still ranks as one of the top 10 nights of my life. That Piper\Hart match and Flair vs Savage were a huge deal for me. And I'm pretty sure I cried when Hogan was getting beat up.

[whiteyford]

(Oh, look, Bret feels Ric Flair was also sabotaging him. What a surprise).


Hardly shocking considering the amount of guys who accused him of the same stuff when he booked WCW.

[The MAC]

you should see ric flair on those Wrestling Roundtables -he is an outragous mark for himself.

Bret Hart is always asked about things and he answers. He isn't just going out there an bitching and moaning. Always remember he approached WWE to come back and bury the hatchet.

I guess some of you have that mob mentality - "bret Hart is whiner", "cena is horrible" etc..why? cause its the "in-thing" in the IWC.

[Rock Bottom]

Hart's bitter. I get that.

Still had the best-looking stuff. I forgive the bitterness because of the fact that he was enormously screwed over. Not necessarily by Vince, but fate. After the screwjob happened, Bret's life went to complete shit for a number of other reasons.

He's also extremely unhappy about what happened during his run in WCW. This is actually his biggest gripe. The screwjob is the point in his life that everything started. Then he has concussions, family deaths, strokes, you name it.

Imagine being at the top of the world. Your ultimate goal is to be the best wrestler around. You're a champion, on top, but the guy you can't stand is going to take your spot. You get "screwed," and then all that shit happens.

You're gonna have a chip on your shoulder. I think if he didn't, he wouldn't even be a person.

[Gertner]

Been saying Hart's an over-rated whiner for ages now. He's never been a draw in the U.S, and was only on top in the WWF because they were going through a down period. HBK is 100000x times better.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Apart from he was a draw and HBK wasn't (the first time round anyway)

[Advocado]

brets story has never changed over the years. Shawn sat there and had every opportunity to defend himself - sat in there in a quiet guilt stupor.

Exactly. Try reading their books side-by-side. The first is well-written, specific about the time period, a wealth of information, a tome compared to other wrestling biographies. The second is a revisionist, semi-ghostwritten pamphlet.

[Vastardikai]

Apart from he was a draw and HBK wasn't (the first time round anyway)

And any WWF show that wasn't in the US.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I really enjoyed the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels DVD. I thought Bret was more forthcoming than Shawn in it.

[Keith]

^^^^
I think that's a result of Bret Hart still caring too much about his "rivalry" with HBK, and Shawn not caring at all anymore.

Bret goes all in-depth about everything, and Shawn's like "Man, I just want to go hunting and watch some Nascar".

[Crimson]

Michaels is pretty funny on his twitter.