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Old 06-12-2012, 10:35 AM   #1
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Bret Hart: HBK Stole The Ladder Match From Me
By Ryan Clark on Monday, June 11th, 2012 at 11:23 PM EST

Here’s Bret Hart speaking with Arda Ocal about his WrestleMania 8 match and more. Check out some highlights:
On his WrestleMania 8 match with Roddy Piper: “When I realized I was going to wrestle Roddy Piper, my gut instinct told me that Piper was going to keep the title for a while, and I would sort of be back up to him. It didn’t work out like that, and I’m glad it didn’t because I kind of had my heart set on a good healthy long run as the Intercontinental champion. I thought at the time I got the title that I earned it and I wanted to have my chance. When i lost it to “The Mountie” I thought ‘They never gave me my chance.’”
On Piper ‘passing the torch’ to him and other wrestlers not doing the same: “For him to pass the torch down to me, kind of thing, was a pretty big step for me. At that time a lot of wrestlers didn’t want to make that kind of effort for me, and I’m not sure why or what their arguments might have been. So many guys when I look back on my career, like even when I won the World Title I was supposed to go over on ‘Warrior’, i would have gone over on ‘Warrior’ at the ‘Rumble’, never happened. I was supposed to wrestle Jake Roberts first at ‘Survivor Series’, never happened,” … “its too bad in the case of Jake Roberts, he’s a guy that, I had this great career and never wrestled Jake Roberts one time.”
On creating the ladder match and Shawn Michaels stealing the idea: “[Vince] told me to pick anybody I wanted, I said ‘I’ll pick Shawn’ because I was good friends with Shawn back then. I went to Shawn and said ‘We’re going to do a ladder match’ and he didn’t know what it was either. I tried to explain it to him. I knew it was a million dollar idea. Once I showed him how to do it I knew it would be a great idea” … “And then Shawn stole then idea from me. It was the idea that was the the million dollar idea. A lot of guys could have had a great ladder match, a lot of guys have. But it was the idea that I brought forth that they stole from me.”




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Old 06-12-2012, 10:38 AM   #2
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:38 AM   #3
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #4
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It's starting to get really sad.

I couldn't watch the Bret vs Shawn dvd all the way through, because it was just so embarrassing how shawn was being all humble, and bret was taking credit for this and that, talking shit about shawn.

Get over yourself.
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Bret is really gone now.
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Yeah I seen the Bret hart HBK rivalry documentary on Netflix and Bret Hart was just irritating..dude was overly contradictory.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:43 AM   #7
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Shawn was a mega-asshole during the time..... give the guy a break.....
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Woo Woo Woo, that's all Bret ever does is moan...

I can understand now why Vince made the choice to screw
Bret from the title at SurvivorSeries. He's a cry baby..

He wouldn't loose to HBK when it was the right thing to do
HBK was becoming a bigger star than Bret.. Vince said it right

Bret Screwed Bret...
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Geez, Bret really needs to let go. He's made his peace with Vince and Shawn, he was inducted into the HOF, he was able to come back to live television for a couple months and even wrestle, what else does he want?

I like Bret and I think he's one of the best ever, but he really has to stop this. The past is in the past, move the fuck on. Shawn, Vince (and everyone else Bret has had a problem with) are doing just fine, living their life. Why can't he do the same?
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He's just that classic bitter old rassler.
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Geez...I guess the opening line from Shawn's book was right: Bret Hart was a mark for himself/believed his own gimmick.
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Geez, Bret really needs to let go. He's made his peace with Vince and Shawn, he was inducted into the HOF, he was able to come back to live television for a couple months and even wrestle, what else does he want?

I like Bret and I think he's one of the best ever, but he really has to stop this. The past is in the past, move the fuck on. Shawn, Vince (and everyone else Bret has had a problem with) are doing just fine, living their life. Why can't he do the same?
They even gave him the US title.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:13 PM   #13
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It's sad that the guy who calls himself "The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be" can only keep himself relevant by whining about things that happened 20 years ago.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:29 PM   #14
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dunno what the big deal is here, I mean yeah Bret likes to hold onto some things but having watched the video, I'm not sure what some of you are complaining about. He's says "Shawn stole it from me" once or twice (which is pretty much true) and that's it. Can't blame the guy for being "well that's a bit shit" after what HBK and Razor achieved and how that was received when Bret bought up the idea in the first place and he was supposed to be part of it. Pro wrestling is all about ego. Anybody in Bret's shoes regarding this stuff would probably feel the same. It's not like he goes on some long rant or gets angry or is insulting HBK etc.
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The problem is that it's not the first time he complains about "HBK stealing his idea". He's gone on and on about it for years now, everytime the topic of ladder matches comes up.
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and it's his fault that people keep asking him about it? if he was all "I don't want to talk about it", people would probably say the same kind of stuff. At times he hasn't done himself many favours but he can't win sometimes when it comes to the internet.
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Well he should be the bigger man and say "I did bring it up at one point, and actually did wrestle Shawn once in a Ladder Match, but it didn't make it to ppv. However, Shawn and Scott did it at WrestleMania and did a great job".

And that'd be it. Not go on the "they stole my idea, it should've been me" rant.

No one would ask again. But again, the only way he seems to stay relevant is by talking about stuff that happened 15 to 20 years ago, so.

I mean, look at him. All the things he accomplished, the great career he had, the multiple Championships he won, and he says that he feels he never got "a chance" at a long run as Intercontinental Champion because he lost it to The Mountie.

I mean, damn.
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lol how many guys are "the bigger man" in pro wrestling? you're living in a fantasy world if you think anybody that was at one time a "name" in the history of professional wrestling is going to be all humble and backslapping as opposed to letting the world know how great they were and that goes for everybody including all of your favourite wrestlers. I'm fairly sure he's stated in the past about the good job done by HBK/Razor. And that's equally as truthful as the fact that yeah, it probably should have been a part of Bret's legacy.

And really? rant? he stated what happened in a pretty calm and collected manner if you ask me. And let's not be naive and pretend that nobody would have bought it up again.
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lol how many guys are "the bigger man" in pro wrestling? you're living in a fantasy world if you think anybody that was at one time a "name" in the history of professional wrestling is going to be all humble and backslapping as opposed to letting the world know how great they were and that goes for everybody including all of your favourite wrestlers. I'm fairly sure he's stated in the past about the good job done by HBK/Razor. And that's equally as truthful as the fact that yeah, it probably should have been a part of Bret's legacy.

And really? rant? he stated what happened in a pretty calm and collected manner if you ask me. And let's not be naive and pretend that nobody would have bought it up again.

All I'm saying is that a guy as accomplished as he is should not harp on the negative. He had a great career and should focus on the positives. That is all.
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yeah this isnt really new to hear, as he talks about it in his book
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lol how many guys are "the bigger man" in pro wrestling? you're living in a fantasy world if you think anybody that was at one time a "name" in the history of professional wrestling is going to be all humble and backslapping as opposed to letting the world know how great they were and that goes for everybody including all of your favourite wrestlers. I'm fairly sure he's stated in the past about the good job done by HBK/Razor. And that's equally as truthful as the fact that yeah, it probably should have been a part of Bret's legacy.

And really? rant? he stated what happened in a pretty calm and collected manner if you ask me. And let's not be naive and pretend that nobody would have bought it up again.
Most guys in pro wrestling don't act like they are moral beacons of light.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #25
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oh for sure that is where Bret takes the piss a bit, the "holy man of Canada" stuff. But that's not what the complaints in this thread were about.
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I am guessing Bret Hart would probably be a lackluster poster here at TPWW.
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When I was a kid, I would have loved to have seen Bret wrestle Jake Roberts, then the Warrior, instead of seeing Bret wrestle Razor Ramon twice.....was it Razor at Survivor Series 92'? I can't remember. I know he wrestled Razor at the 93' Rumble, and I'm pretty sure he faced Razor beforehand at the Survivor Series. Can't recall though.

In any case, I would have whether had seen Bret take on Razor Ramon on Prime Time Wrestling and/or Monday Night Raw, and have Bret take on Jake and the Warrior at the PPV's. Nothing against Razor Ramon, but he wasn't really that over at the time. Jake and Warrior however were icons and from the previous generation, so to have men like them put over Bret would have really helped Bret's career. The matches would have been classics and the promos would have been good.

It's a shame Jake and Warrior's choices to do drugs screwed over the fans. Bret vs Hogan would have been good too. If Jake, Warrior, and Hogan could have put over Bret, and tapped out to the sharpshooter, it would have made him twice the icon he became in my view, and really helped put over the sharpshooter as a very painful hold.

It would have even increased the Bret Hart/Bob Backlund feud later too and the "debate" about what the more deadly move was - The crossface chicken wing or the sharpshooter. WWF did a 1-900 number poll asking the fans who they thought had the better move. I remember the crossface chicken wing won by a landslide, and that right there goes to show that the sharpshooter just was not put over enough. I remember WWF put over the chicken wing like it was the most painful move ever, and the sharpshooter should have been given the same treatment in my view.


On another note, I do love hearing so much insider stuff all these years later though. I was a big WWF fan from 1990-2003, so I love hearing backstage stuff about that time in wrestling.
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I saw the Bret/Shawn rivalry dvd, and he didn't come across as bitter at all. It's just Bret being Bret. The same here.
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I saw the Bret/Shawn rivalry dvd, and he didn't come across as bitter at all. It's just Bret being Bret. The same here.
So he is just a grump old coot? Understandably so, but still...
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The dude was screwed time and time again during his career. Is he suppose to be like "HBK is the best man ever" when he is asked about him? Sure HBK seems more humble because guess what? He did the screwing and got ahead because of it.
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The dude was screwed time and time again during his career. Is he suppose to be like "HBK is the best man ever" when he is asked about him? Sure HBK seems more humble because guess what? He did the screwing and got ahead because of it.
Bret only got screwed twice in his career and he deserved one of them. He got screwed in Montreal because he couldn't be the bigger man despite claiming to be the paragon of virtue and refused to do business. Vince McMahon had no other choice but to do what he did. Bret got screwed in WCW just because WCW had no clue how to function and Goldberg's stupidity ended Bret's career.
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So he is just a grump old coot? Understandably so, but still...
Yeah he's just a grumpy guy.
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Bret only got screwed twice in his career and he deserved one of them. He got screwed in Montreal because he couldn't be the bigger man despite claiming to be the paragon of virtue and refused to do business. Vince McMahon had no other choice but to do what he did. Bret got screwed in WCW just because WCW had no clue how to function and Goldberg's stupidity ended Bret's career.
The screwjob was ugly business for all involved. Bret and Shawn's beef was simply over consistent breakdowns in communication between the two. Vince did what he thought he had to do as did Shawn, but it doesn't make it right. Bret has said time and time again he'd have dropped the title another way. Doesn't make him right either. I think there were just a lot of egos involved and something was bound to erupt. Just the way things went down. I think they've all moved past it.

WCW was fucking stupid however, for not doing the same damned thing Vince did in capitalizing. Bret was white hot following the screwjob and they had him become an nWo lacky after a feud with Flair and then with Hennig?

Bret is a frustrated guy as well as a straight shooter. He no longer hates Vince or Shawn, but he says what he feels. It's not like he's Ric Flair and spouting from the mouth. WWF fucked him over a lot in his career. Hogan, Warrior and Roberts all should have jobbed to him since he was supposed to be "the guy" and they never did. He's bitter for the same reason Shawn Michaels was a fucking prick throughout the 90's. Because it's a cutthroat business that treats those involved like shit.
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Bret also turned down contracts from WCW to STAY with Vince.
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That's the point. Bret shouldn't have had to drop the belt another way. He should have dropped the fucking belt the way he was told to.
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That's the point. Bret shouldn't have had to drop the belt another way. He should have dropped the fucking belt the way he was told to.
I didn't disagree with you. However, putting yourself in bret's shoes, with the lack of respect shown to him by Shawn, would you have wanted to drop the belt to him?

There were ways to work around all of it. But egos are egos, and all three involved had massive ones.
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Look at it like this. Bret chose not to take the high road, which makes him as wrong as the other two. But the other two were just as wrong as Bret.
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I didn't disagree with you. However, putting yourself in bret's shoes, with the lack of respect shown to him by Shawn, would you have wanted to drop the belt to him?

There were ways to work around all of it. But egos are egos, and all three involved had massive ones.
I understand why Bret was being a cunt about it, but when you claim to be the ultimate company guy, the ultimate good guy, the ultimate businessman then you don't throw a bitch fit because some drugged out asshole (who is talented as fuck) is supposed to win the title from you when you are leaving the company.
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Rock should have worked with HBK. Stone Cold should have had a match with Hogan. HBK shouldn't have been a dick. Hunter shouldn't have banged Chyna. Eve should be with me. Nobody does everything they should, would or could for some reason or another.
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