Super Smash Bros. 4 (WiiU/3DS)

[Kalyx triaD]

http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2012/07/03_smashwhite01.jpg

[Funky Fly]

Yeah, smash bros. whoo

[Kalyx triaD]

Where's Mega Man?

[Savio]

Shouldn't we start this thread once it has new information?

[Kalyx triaD]

- Smaller roster.

[RoXer]

Shouldn't we start this thread once it has new information?

Look at this motherfucker over here. Has no problem (http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3718101&postcount=935) bumping his own 7 year old thread, with the last post being 2 years before his reply over news of the 3DS version along with some other tidbits. Then bumping it again 6 months later (http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3902719&postcount=945) announcing the news of a different studio is helping to develop the game.

But then someone goes and does the right thing by starting a new thread and suddenly he cries foul because, apparently, there has been no new information.

Get the fuck out of here my dude, you fool no one.

[Extreme Angle]

Look at this motherfucker over here. Has no problem (http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3718101&postcount=935) bumping his own 7 year old thread, with the last post being 2 years before his reply over news of the 3DS version along with some other tidbits. Then bumping it again 6 months later (http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3902719&postcount=945) announcing the news of a different studio is helping to develop the game.

But then someone goes and does the right thing by starting a new thread and suddenly he cries foul because, apparently, there has been no new information.

Get the fuck out of here my dude, you fool no one.

Especially with that dreamy avatar of his!

[Savio]

He listen her motherfucker as I stated before A new topic should be created when we get some actual news muthafucka. Its on now mo faka!

[Kalyx triaD]

I'd say the Namco thing qualifies as concrete news.

[Kapoutman]

Smaller roster, really? I WANT MORE CHARACTERS.

[Verbose Minch]

Smaller roster, really? I WANT MORE CHARACTERS.

If I remember correctly, Sakurai said the same thing about Brawl, so take it with a grain of salt.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

He listen her motherfucker as I stated before A new topic should be created when we get some actual news muthafucka. Its on now mo faka!

I hope you put it on a job application, unless you're still in school. You do quite often post like someone who has been held back several years.

[Savio]

That post was a joke man.

[Fignuts]

YOU'RE the joke, busta.


ooooooo shit son

[Savio]

Ohh it's on now bruh.

[Curtis Anderson]

It looks like Sakurai has confirmed on Twitter that Geno from Mario RPG and Issac from Golden Sun will be included. Don't quote me on this, but I've also heard baby Mario could be a character as well.

[Kalyx triaD]

Quote where you heard it from.

[Emperor Smeat]

Was already confirmed to have been a fake tweet by someone else weeks ago.

He did however leave the possibility of both being included in the future but nobody has been confirmed so far besides the obvious ones.

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=139067

[Kalyx triaD]

...But I've also heard baby Mario could be a character as well.

We're kinda nazis about where info for upcoming games comes from. 'I've heard/read' simply no longer flies on the internet. We like sources and links, especially in regard to characters/features in upcoming games.

Some of us could merely post news without sources, but it takes a degree of credibility to do that and not be called on it (I've been posting news for years, I think I earned skipping a link or two). On the other hand, some sources themselves are dubious!

But yeah, try not to pass info from the grapevine. We're quite thorough. Good day, Curt.

[Curtis Anderson]

I politely asked not to be quoted.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh, I'm sorry.

*punches you*

Welcome to the Roughnecks, son.

[Savio]

Hey be nice, he did ask.

[Poit]

It looks like Sakurai has confirmed on Twitter that Geno from Mario RPG... will be included.

:D :D :D

Was already confirmed to have been a fake tweet by someone else weeks ago.

... :'(

[Emperor Smeat]

A couple of small details from Harada where he states Smash Bros has been given "top priority" status at Namco, the Tekken team will join development after Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is done, and probably the biggest news of nobody from Tekken is scheduled to be included in the game.

http://www.destructoid.com/smash-bros-is-a-big-priority-for-namco-231053.phtml

[FourFifty]

I'd rather not see Mega Man in the game. There's enough "heroes" so why not throw in Guts Man, or Cut Man instead? Besides, Mega Man is either going to be too much like Samus or too much like Kirby.

[Kalyx triaD]

I love when people generalize similarities between two different characters.

"X23/She-Hulk will be a Wolverine/Hulk clone!"

Mega-Man would not play like Samus.

[Savio]

Plus you can't have a Megaman villain without MegaMan

[Fignuts]

I would play a fighting game that is all megaman characters.

No, the power fighters does not count.

[Kapoutman]

I also want Mega Man in Smash Bros.

I also agree with Fignuts.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mega Man would have been in Brawl if it wasn't for Nintendo being upset over Capcom breaking their exclusive "Capcom 5" agreement for the Gamecube. I think that is how it opened the door for Snake to be in Brawl since Kojima begged both Konami and Nintendo once he saw the opportunity while Brawl was never meant to have more than 2 third party characters.

No reason for Mega Man to not be in the next one unless this time Capcom flat out refuses. The robot masters would act as assist trophies/characters.

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't think Nintendo holds 'grudges' like that. Also should avoid assumptions like how many third party characters were supposed to be in Brawl. I've heard a lot of stories about Brawl's development and the conspiracy theories related to lack of Mega-Man/Pac Man and how Sonic and Snake got included.

Never any hard source for these stories. And Sakurai is fairly open about his tenure on the franchise.

I have my own little theory: Sonic and Snake got in because their parent companies simply asked. Sakurai and Nintendo overall seem chill enough to be open to all sorts of guest characters, Capcom characters included, license and tone permitting. I believe Capcom didn't care to ask at the time.

I'd buy that over the Big N holding roster spots ransom.

[Curtis Anderson]

Nintendo holds grudges for a long time. They held a grudge against Square Soft for a very long time when they abandoned them to make Final Fantasy VII a Sony exclusive. I don't recall any Square game appearing on the N64 or the Gamecube.

[Kapoutman]

I just want more characters. Any characters, really. Give me the nameless guy from Mach Rider. I don't care. The doctor from Gyromite, even. What about one of the cars from Stunt Race FX? I would play as 4WD.

[Kalyx triaD]

That was a two-way street, Square didn't believe in cartridges as a medium so the protest was mutual.

Pretty they had stuff on GCN and a bunch on the handhelds since.

[Emperor Smeat]

I don't think Nintendo holds 'grudges' like that. Also should avoid assumptions like how many third party characters were supposed to be in Brawl. I've heard a lot of stories about Brawl's development and the conspiracy theories related to lack of Mega-Man/Pac Man and how Sonic and Snake got included.

Never any hard source for these stories. And Sakurai is fairly open about his tenure on the franchise.

I have my own little theory: Sonic and Snake got in because their parent companies simply asked. Sakurai and Nintendo overall seem chill enough to be open to all sorts of guest characters, Capcom characters included, license and tone permitting. I believe Capcom didn't care to ask at the time.

I'd buy that over the Big N holding roster spots ransom.

If I remember correctly, it wasn't a grudge like they had against Squaresoft that only ended once Iwata took over but more of feeling betrayed by Capcom who promised the "Capcom 5" only to end up on their own porting the games to the PS2 or outright cancelling them.

It was only rumored Nintendo rejected Mega Man but plausible since they really resented loosing Resident Evil 4's exclusiveness and even Mikami himself who promised to cut his own head off was ashamed at Capcom.

Sakurai was quoted to have said after Sonic was revealed that at least "one or two" more extra third party characters were to be revealed for Brawl. It only ended up being Snake but it did lead to more rumors of Mega Man was meant to have been the other.

Kojima admitted he had to beg to get Snake included since he wasn't originally planned for Brawl.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/19/thank-kojimas-son-for-getting-snake-into-smash-bros-brawl/

[Kalyx triaD]

It was only rumored Nintendo rejected Mega Man but plausible since they really resented loosing Resident Evil 4's exclusiveness and even Mikami himself who promised to cut his own head off was ashamed at Capcom.

This is what I'm talking about; where are you getting this?

Sakurai was quoted to have said after Sonic was revealed that at least "one or two" more extra third party characters were to be revealed for Brawl. It only ended up being Snake but it did lead to more rumors of Mega Man was meant to have been the other.

How and why? There's many third party characters that would fit just fine with Smash. Why MM? I would understand some mysterious convo between Nintendo and Capcom during the time but we haven't even that.

If it's just a thought, that's whatever. But I've heard this in more places than here and it seems like people just really wanted Mega Man in Brawl.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mostly from Wikipedia that has the whole "Capcom 5" saga and some from memory either from IGN or EGM/Gamepro at the time. Do remember Mikami's promise of cutting his head off from IGN at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capcom_Five

I think the reason for Mega Man and third party character themselves was certain requirements that either the character had to be a mascot-type which fits Mega Man as Capcom's big mascot or has to have a lot of history with Nintendo consoles which really fits Mega Man more than Snake.

In Japan there was a fan voting poll about which third party characters to include which did have Mega Man as the #2 character and then nobody else close to those two. Sonic was #1 overall and I think the poll itself was meant to be used to determine who gets placed in the very limited spots.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2011/05/27/looking-back-on-smash-bros-brawl

[Kalyx triaD]

More specifically, I'm asking how you thought it was was plausible Nintendo rejected MM for the reasons stated. And the poll means very little in regard to was supposed to be in the game.

I'm just saying, there may be a very simple non-special reason for MM not getting in.

[Emperor Smeat]

Its only speculation but a lot of the rumors usually point to either the Capcom 5 or Resident Evil 4 as being the "trigger" for the constant rejections when Brawl was early in development.

Brawl supposedly started development around mid-2005 which would place it months after RE 4 was released and Capcom announcing shortly before RE4 was released that there would be a PS2 version.

Tried to find some actual sources that would have said anything definitive about it but one was a reference to podcast that is no longer available and another is supposedly an Xplay story but can't be found due to how badly G4 mismanaged archiving stuff when they've redone their site a few times. Closest is a quote from MegaMan's creator that says he was never personally contacted around the time of the game's Japanese release although he didn't mention anything about Capcom.

[Big Vic]

I know he might not be to popular but I'd love to see "Crash" in the new one.

Crash Bandicot, not Crash Holly.

[Big Vic]

and Billy/Jimmy from Double Dragon.

[Emperor Smeat]

Unofficial fan voting for potential roster spots in the upcoming Smash Bros game recently started with the winner and the final round of the poll itself to be presented to Sakurai during this year's Tokyo Game Show event.

The idea is for Nintendo to see what other regions besides Japan favor for characters although rumors of 4chan messing up the poll results probably means whoever wins or even the top vote getters won't be considered at all (ex. random obscure Pokemon character was winning at one point).

Sakurai in the past has supported these fan voting while an official fan vote in Japan during the development of Brawl influenced Sonic being included as the first 3rd party character.

Current results so far: http://www.screwattack.com/news/you-can-choose-who-you-want-next-smash-bros-game

http://www.destructoid.com/vote-on-the-new-super-smash-bros-roster-in-epic-fan-poll-231304.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

Can't wait for Mega Man to get in and be trash.

/Droford Style

[Savio]

when are the finals?

[Emperor Smeat]

New rumor states the big difference between the Wii U and 3DS version is for character focus.

The Wii U version would focus mostly on modern characters while the 3DS would focus more on retro characters.

We have just gotten some information from an anonymous source that claims they saw some of Sora Ltd.‘s work thus far on the next Super Smash Bros. The one they specifically looked at was the 3DS version, which-if this is to be believed- will be called Super Smash Bros. Memories. The alleged core difference between the games is that this one will focus on old properties, while the Wii U game will emphasize modern characters. If you have both games, all characters and stages can be used in either one.

The characters for Memories mentioned include Donkey Kong Jr., Ridley, Pac-Man, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Dig-Dug, and Stanley the Bug Man. The source claims that Super Smash Bros. Memories will be released holiday of next year, but gives no word on the Wii U game.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-next-smash-to-be-a-retro-throwback


I'd assume the rumored connectivity plans would involve these "exclusive" type characters being moveable so that you'd be able to get the retro characters on the Wii U and modern on the 3DS as a bonus for owning both versions.

[LuigiD]

That is kinda cool. I like the retro only idea.

[Kalyx triaD]

Nice.

[Fignuts]

What modern properties?

I don't want to play pikimin vs Cooking Mama.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yes you do.

[Emperor Smeat]

All the fighters are getting new moves which ends up being the official reason why the roster won't expand beyond Brawl's size. The idea is to spend more time balancing and making new moves which would also prevent the moves from being shared by too many characters and lessen the need for clone characters.

In terms of Nintendo's side, there will be several new characters with at least 4 teased in an earlier interview.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/08/super-smash-bros-wii-u-characters-2/


It also appears the reason Namco was given the right to help develop Super Smash Bros was due to their commitment on bringing Tekken to the Wii U and support for the 3DS which lead Nintendo to reward them with a contract to help Sora studio. Also because Namco is a lot closer in trust and communication with Sakurai than Capcom or other big studios with experience in fighters.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/namcos-good-relationship-with-nintendo-critical-for-super-smash-bros-wii-u/

[Big Vic]

In August 2012, Sakurai stated that while the addition of third-party characters appealed to fans and broadened the Smash Bros. audience, he recognized the need to narrow down their inclusion since introducing non-Nintendo characters "willy-nilly" would lose focus of the game. He also noted that the game system had been completed. Feeling that the series had found its target audience and introducing gimmicks would hinder rather than help the brand, Sakurai explained that he was thinking of ways to introduce a new, different experience, while retaining the frantic gameplay from previous installments.

[Savio]

WOO Screen Shots coming :)

In January 2013, Nintendo confirmed that the first screenshots of the game will be shown at E3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Entertainment_Expo) 2013 on June 11 to June 13.<sup id="cite_ref-January_15-0" class="reference">[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upcoming_Super_Smash_Bros._video_game#cite_note-January-15)</sup>http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/23/smash-bros-mario-mario-kart-confirmed-for-e3-2013?abthid=50fff28302d45ac22f000067

[Kalyx triaD]

Screenshots? Fucking trailer, fuckers.

[Drakul]

If that's taken from the Januray Nintendo Direct, I think there was a mix up and he meant screens in addition to a trailer or something. He basically didn't say exactly what he meant to.

[Drakul]

I know TPWW isn't a "wishlist" kind of place but does anyone have any characters/stages/modes/music they really hope is in?

Everyone online keeps saying they want the same 5 characters in. Geno, Isaac, Megaman, Bomberman and Waluigi. Nintendo probably has something insane like 1000 possible characters from their games and everyone asks for the same guys. As much as I'd like to see Waluigi, I have a couple of possibley more interesting characters I'd want in. One of which is Doshin the Giant. He needs to be in.

Doshin the Giant. (Pic for those that don't know who he is because he was only released in Japan and Europe.)
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/1/14097/548968-02.jpg
Before anyone says he's too big, he can change size. I think he'd be cool. If Final Smashes return, his could be turning into this guy and throw fire etc:
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/14091/548970-04_large.jpg

His non-FS moves could involve raising and lowering land, planting palm trees, throwing building, calling villagers out to help him and causing tidal waves. A giant Tsunami could also be a possible FS if the transformation FS wasn't good enough.

At the very least I'd like him to be a stage. Not his world, the actual character himself. He could hold his giant palms out as platforms that he moves around regularly into new arrangements. Side by side apart, togethor as one giant platform, one above another. If he has his palms out by his stomach, his naval could maybe have some kind of spring/bumper property to it and he can bring his palms up to his face, just so we can fight with his giant smiling stare in the background. he could get bigger or smaller throughout the fight too as well as turning red (evil) and trying to tip you over by putting his palms at an angle.
We'd need his theme tune in the game for the stage:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PAxt1UfPL2Q?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

First 40 mins of the game, for anyone interested. After the intro, you can skip to 19:40 to see what gameplay looked like what it got going.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HlDZg-vYAyg?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Kalyx triaD]

Classic Mega-Man and Bomberman might be cool guests, but I'm thinking we'll see Namco-Bandai guests considering their role.

I trust Nintendo with the roster, I don't really have a 'want' character.

[Drakul]

So, Pacman.

[Drakul]

On top of Doshin the Giant, I really want Chibi-Robo.

[Kalyx triaD]

That would be cool.

[Drakul]

I have a lot of character ideas but they're no main stream characters from "system seller" series so they're really unlikely. Even though I always thought of SB as a place that would give us the more unusual characters. I get the feeling it'll be a predictable roster with little to no surprise.

Doshin the Giant
Chibi Robo
Captain Rainbow
Maybe Non-Specific Action Figure as a massive gag character or Assist trophy.

[Extreme Angle]

Guy from Ghosts n Goblins

[Kalyx triaD]

Capcom's call on Arthur.

[Drakul]

Wasn't there mumbling that they were looking for a new take on the series and everyone was thinking that could mean 3D style like Tekken instead of the 2D style?

Would be cool if there was a 3D Story Mode. Running around the Mushroom Kingdom in 3D as Link or something.

[Kalyx triaD]

There was mumbling but like hell they'd change the game for no reason at all.

[Drakul]

They put tripping in for no reason.

[Kalyx triaD]

There was reason for that, Sakurai spoke at length about it.

And even that isn't on par with changing the fundamental design. Not even close.

[Drakul]

I've no problem with tripping. The Dojo post about it didn't really justify it, if I remember rightly.

I think a lot of the "It's gonna be 3D" talk was because Namco are involved.

[Kalyx triaD]

Which is ridiculous.

[Drakul]

I've had a sudden thought. With the rumour that the Wii U version will feature modern characters and the 3DS version will feature retro characters, what if they made the story about traveling through Nintendos history?

You go through the timeline for Donkey Kong in the arcade to the present day.

[Kalyx triaD]

Doesn't matter to me, I just play the multiplayer.

[Drakul]

I play every mode. Multiplayer, challenges, online, stage creation, arcade, survival, story. I like to squeeze as much out as I can.

If you didn't play story mode, you missed this fantastic scene:
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XKHQXuXE8qc?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
My single issue with story mode was that Sakurais characters were the heros in every situation. Kirby destroys that ship and did a bunch of other important things, Metaknights ship was the main method of transport and Dedede played his important role too.
If it was Mario characters being the heros, I'd understand. The same way I'd understand Sonic or Mickey Mouse characters being the heros in their company wide crossovers. Kirby saving the day again and again just because his creator was in charge of the game? I wasn't a fan. Maybe they should have doled it out fairly. Kirby does his share, Mario does his share and Link does his share too.

[Kalyx triaD]

I seen all the cutscenes. YouTube is great for that.

[Drakul]

That cutscene did give me a pretty big grin when I saw it for the first time.

[Kalyx triaD]

A lot of it was fucking awesome.

[Drakul]

Captain Falcon commits genocide as soon as he shows up.

[Kalyx triaD]

Speaking of; we need a new F-Zero.

[Emperor Smeat]

Need to ask Sega for that to happen. Nintendo is still waiting for them to come up with something for a new game.

[Drakul]

Pretty sure they're testing the water for a new F-Zero. They include F-Zero in Nintendoland and people ask for F-Zero U. They then sell F-Zero as part of the Famicom celebrations and even more people ask for F-Zero U.

[Drakul]

Need to ask Sega for that to happen. Nintendo is still waiting for them to come up with something for a new game.

How about this. F-Zero in the style of Burnout Paradise. You drive around Mute City, Port Town and the wilderness, similarly to the way you drove around Paradise City and you take part in street racing, wildreness racing and can enter GPs which take you to specialized tracks in the traditional style.

You win prize money to improve your ship and to improve your standing in the game. For example, winning the Jester Cup will make you popular enough to be invited to more GPs while winning street races will get you invited to more street races.

They could add a minor RPG style element of using your money to hold press events to build hype for your races which would make the pay off better. You could improve your PR with posters, billboards etc.

If I gave it real thought I could make it sound better. Right now, I'm typing as I think.

[Kalyx triaD]

F-Zero in the style of F-fucking-Zero. High speed on gravity bending tracks with bitchin music. That's all.

[Drakul]

Well, if they're looking for "something new" before the make another game then we aren't going to get the standard F-Zero. Which is why I suggested my idea.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm thinking expanded multiplayer akin to some of the recent Need For Speed games. You can do that without the tacked on open world thing.

In any case I trust Nintendo to keep things gully. They don't do drastic silliness like Capcom and others.

[Drakul]

It all depends what they mean by "something new". I don't think more players is what they have in mind.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm a believer that when says they wanna do something special; they have gamers in mind.

If this was EA or Activision I'd lower my expectations considerably.

[Drakul]

I just can't think of what could be "new" to an F-Zero game without changing the formula. They already did create a ship and create a track.

[Kalyx triaD]

I could.

[Drakul]

Such as?

[Kalyx triaD]

You really want me to riff an F-Zero sequel? Might be a long read.

[Drakul]

Bullet points?

[Kalyx triaD]

Even so, man.

[Drakul]

Ok, top five?

[Kalyx triaD]

- Hard tracks.
- Online features; private/public Grand Prix, weekly challenges, progressive leaderboards, Rival lists.
- WiiU gamepad highlights the track and everyone on it, pole positions, and other things to clear up the game screen (though we want stuff like vehicle health and track map on the TV).
- Cockpit view.
- Create a track and vehicle isn't make or break but I'd want it in.
- Bitchin music.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just quick riffs, I don't know if I'd wanna do a full blast armchair producer thing here.

[Savio]

Everyone online keeps saying they want the same 5 characters in. Geno, Isaac, Megaman, Bomberman and Waluigi. They need to have Megaman, Bomber Man, Little Mac, Double Dragon Guy, maybe a battle toad too.

I'd like to see the Contra guy as an assist trophy.

[Emperor Smeat]

Team Meat is willing to make a deal with Nintendo where they would loan Meat Boy as a special third party character for the upcoming Smash game and in return they would develop a few games for the Wii U and 3DS.

Although they might have hinted they were being sarcastic and wouldn't hold up their end since none would be exclusive nor any guarantees they'd even show up on Nintendo systems.
http://www.screwattack.com/news/team-meat-wants-meat-boy-super-smash-bros-4

[Kalyx triaD]

Meat from the bloody platformer with the fetus for a bad guy? Nah.

Meat Boy is cool but those guys aren't quite there yet. Nintendo told EA to fuck off just a few weeks ago.

Kinda sorta pretentious, imo, but sure it seems they were kidding anyway.

[Savio]

Nintendo told EA to fuck off just a few weeks ago.

Who did EA want in there?

[road doggy dogg]

Is this game supposed to be any good? Smash Bros is the last vestige of Nintendo fanboyism I have left. I'm not touching any next-gen Nintendo console if Smash Bros isn't going to kick ass. This thread has been incredibly dull and boring, which does not give me hope for the game itself.

[Savio]

Is this game supposed to be any good? Smash Bros is the last vestige of Nintendo fanboyism I have left. I'm not touching any next-gen Nintendo console if Smash Bros isn't going to kick ass. This thread has been incredibly dull and boring, which does not give me hope for the game itself.
Well no real information about the game has come out so that would make sense. But I totally agree with everything else you say.

[Kalyx triaD]

Who did EA want in there?

Origin service/software, with Crysis 3 on the line. Nintendo refused, EA made good on their threat. We'll see what this means for other EA games since EA wants Origin everywhere next gen.

[Fignuts]

Good for Nintendo. Fuck those guys.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sakurai, both his studio and Namco are putting a bigger effort and focus for the game's online modes as both a lesson they learned from Brawl and as a way to expand some of the ideas from Brawl to make the game better.

Also wants it to be more "customizable" to cater to all the different groups that play the Smash series.

In a recent Famitsu column, Sakurai responded to a reader who was annoyed that the remaining online Brawl players all avoid items and never instigate attacks. Sakurai answered, "The idea of Brawl's 'carefree brawling' motto was to get rid of as many restraints as possible and allow people to choose whatever play approach they liked. I'd like people to take some freer approaches with their gameplay, but the sort of battle style you describe in your letter is not interesting or fun. That's why I'll probably be thinking of a way to deal with that in the next game. We've learned a lot about net play since Brawl was released, after all, so a lot more is possible."

Sakurai accepts responsibility for the poorly conceived online previously, and he promises something a lot more cohesive in the future that will allow for different playstyles.
http://www.destructoid.com/sakurai-more-thought-out-online-for-smash-4-248563.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

This sounds more like Smash will be more regulated to avoid tacky experiences like that. I haven't played Brawl online, doesn't it have Ranked and Private rooms? That should do it right there.

[Emperor Smeat]

Haven't played that in a while so a quick check on Wikipedia stated it was just two modes of play with anyone and play with friends.

Online multiplayer games can be played either with registered friends or with randomly selected participants.

Additionally, players can converse with up to four phrases that are preset by the player, which appear as speech bubbles when activated. These names and phrases are not displayed in random-player matches.

The Spectator mode allows players to watch matches being played between other players, and bet on the outcome using coins earned within the game. The winner of the match earns a jackpot of coins.

Think the CPU taking over people who left games also only occurred in the Random/Anyone mode and not in Friends mode.

[Savio]

Did not like playing Brawl online, no idea if you were fighting a person or PC, no ranking or stats of any kind.

[Drakul]

Yeah, online was awful in Brawl. Final Destination, no items, laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.

I spent longer in the waiting room than I did in the actual fight.

[road doggy dogg]

What's wrong with Final Destination and no items? Not for every game or anything, just once in a while. You know, like having a mad technical wrestling match, no gimmicks or stipulations, testing each other's skill ETC ETC. Like Guerrero/Benoit at Vengeance '03. Beauty.

But ya Brawl's online was lolbad
crossrine

[Kalyx triaD]

The Final Destination/No Items thing was a cause of great rifts with the Smash community; with the debate being about playing the game how it "should" be played, or at least a more preferable way according to some.

There's nothing wrong with it at all, until every game you find stresses those settings. This somebody could be annoyed real quick. I don't know what Sak will do about it, though. The only real answer is Custom and Ranked games.

[Savio]

lol me and my friends always played that way, I would OWN at items though.

[Emperor Smeat]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/WtMVsrk4Vek" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aX2KNyaoNV4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


The Trainer from Wii Fit was also revealed to be a playable fighter.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=204716

[alvarado52]

Love the Blue Bomber intro!

[Kalyx triaD]

Cool.

[Savio]

Aww wish the title of the video didn't spoil it for me

[OssMan]

I marked out for Mega Man :o

[Savio]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vQD1yJinzeQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Poit]

http://i.imgur.com/zyKDCiJ.jpg

[Savio]

I hope its not called "Super Smash Bros for Wii U"


(Woo first complaint!)

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://i.imgur.com/zyKDCiJ.jpg

What? Pikachu is evolving!


Pikachu became Rapechu

[Poit]

I was going to make a joke about Pikachu's new moveset including Harden, Pound, and Bone Club, but I thought it might be in bad taste.

[loopydate]

I hope its not called "Super Smash Bros for Wii U"


(Woo first complaint!)

Isn't it "SSB: Universe?"

[Emperor Smeat]

Gematsu might have accidentally leaked out the next set of surprise characters since one of their sources supposedly leaked to them a list of all the new characters.

They've been careful to state the list is unconfirmed but half of the list has already been confirmed (Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Mega Man).

At least two from the other half supposedly include Namco's contribution and something teased from the debut trailer.
Last week, Gematsu was tipped off about Nintendo’s E3 character reveals for Super Smash Bros. But since we were unable to confirm the validity of our source, we refrained from posting the information. Of the six characters we were told would be revealed, three have been confirmed: Mega Man, Animal Crossing Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer. The three left remaining are Little Mac, Pac-Man, and your Mii.

http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros

Kept the link in the spoiler for those who don't want to be spoiled but also don't want to be tempted to click on the link if it was outside the tags.

[Fignuts]

Pac-Man is a given. Love Punchout, but I would have liked King Hippo or Piston Honda over Little Mac. Mac is kinda boring.

Curious to see what the Mii character entails.

I'm actually more pumped about new stages. That's what makes Smash Brothers fun. Having all the creative stages, with unique enviornmental hazards. Not to mention sweet ass old school stuff like the nes donkey kong and Mario levels.

[Poit]

Fignuts, maybe that should be in spoiler tags.

Miis fight in Find Mii using a sword and various magics, so that could be a good start for a moveset, perhaps.

Also, I want Geno!

[Big Vic]

speculation:
King hippo can still be in Although I'd rather see Bald Bull. Would kinda lol if Mike Tyson was an assist trophy and had the Tattoo on his face

[Emperor Smeat]

IGN's E3 interview with Masahiro Sakurai revealed a few interesting tidbits.

Currently no plans for DLC characters, 3DS development has been facing several serious problems, and very likely both versions are launching at different dates.

The official name for both versions is "Super Smash Bros for 3DS" and "Super Smash Bros for Wii U"

Also following Brawl with not including any touch/waggle-based controls for the game.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-no-plans-for-smash-bros-dlc-tripping-removed
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds-final-names-revealed
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=205186

[Savio]

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-smash-bros-next/c/ca/Wiiusmashbrosscrns0113-copyjpg-50e8bc_640w.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-smash-bros-next/thumb/1/15/Wiiusmashbrosscrns0115-copyjpg-30b89b_640w.jpg/468px-Wiiusmashbrosscrns0115-copyjpg-30b89b_640w.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-smash-bros-next/thumb/0/0f/Wiiusmashbrosscrns0116-copyjpg-50e8bb_640w.jpg/468px-Wiiusmashbrosscrns0116-copyjpg-50e8bb_640w.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-smash-bros-next/9/95/947048_10151413355116447_1722015708_n.png

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-smash-bros-next/thumb/1/18/3dssmashbrosscrns0120e3jpg-50e8e8_640w.jpg/468px-3dssmashbrosscrns0120e3jpg-50e8e8_640w.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-smash-bros-next/e/e8/3dssmashbrosscrns0117e3jpg-30b8e6_640w.jpg


Sakurai also confirmed to me that tripping, a significant and frustrating element from Super Smash Bros. Brawl had been removed. The series creator described the gameplay direction of Super Smash Bros. Wii U and Super Smash Bros. 3DS as being somewhere between the faster, more competitive style of Melee and the slower, more casual design of Brawl. No doubt that will be good news for those wanting a better compromise.THANK YOU!

[Kalyx triaD]

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

kappa

[Emperor Smeat]

Joystiq's interview with Sakurai revealed even more details mainly in regards to the compatibility between both versions:

- each version of the game has completely different stages
- cross-platform play wouldn't work
- each version will interact with one another
- take characters you've customized and transfer them to the Wii U version
- customizatios won't be costumes and they won't be something that players have to unlock
- different costumes would take away from what makes each character unique
- wants to avoid boring, repetitive tasks
- "stress free, easy connectivity" between the two versions
- no comment on level editor
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=205230
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/wii-u-and-3ds-smash-bros-will-not-have-cross-platform-play-wil/

[alvarado52]

When The Villager nets Mario and the camera gets a close up to his face I want the splash screen to say "you gon' get raped"

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah he's pretty creepy, and I know Nintendo's aware of this.

[alvarado52]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/559/460/2b5.jpg

[alvarado52]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/559/677/1d3.jpg

[Cool King]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4380a2bc11f78791039e2863fe11a06e/tumblr_mo8vc6Zr4O1rm03xho1_1280.png

[Big Vic]

Villager look pretty badass tbh, non-chalant about fucking shit up and just grabbing peoples shots.

[Emperor Smeat]

Masahiro Sakurai had a 3rd interview at E3 this time with Polygon with the only new details being the single player campaign will return and no longer need to have to play the mode to unlock all the character intro movies.

There will be a single player [campaign], but it won't be like the [Subspace Emissary] mode in Brawl. One thing we can do with the Smash Bros. series that's unique to us — because we have all these different disparate characters brought together — is we can create that sort of fan-movie experience as a special gift. But now those things are posted on the internet, it doesn't really become a gift for people who played the game.

What we decided this time around, we're just going to have [those movies unlocked] from the beginning. We're going to have a movie for Wii Fit Trainer, The Villager and Mega Man and they'll be viewable right at the beginning, you can watch those right away.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/14/4429220/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-nintendo-3ds-removes-tripping

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sakurai, the original plans for the Villager was to be as a playable character for Brawl but ended up being removed due to them having problems making him work well as a fighter.

Also revealed the decision behind Mega Man's NES-like appearance was due to the choice of his move set being based off of classic Mega Man bosses. Had they just wanted to use a normal moveset, he would have been given a different look.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=206205


Patches are being considered for the game in order to allow balancing updates to be done but only when actual balance issues occur and not because a lot of people online complain or hate a certain character(s).

That said, I think the patches are an important tool to maintain the balance of a game, once this last released. As you surely already know, the reputation of some characters, who are considered weak or powerful, is something to which players are very interested on the internet.

And sometimes, you have to ask if these perceptions are correct, or if people simply to join a popular opinion and to follow the movement. We really want to make our characters each have their specificities, with statistics that compensate their strengths.

We want to highlight these individual characteristics, but at the same time, players must also be asked whether they accept the reputation of a character on the internet. This is something that we will also have to take into account when creating patches.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=206184

[Savio]

I'd like to see the composite of the different look for MM

[Drakul]

http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/pikmin/main.png

[Drakul]

Sakurai said the game has no story mode and no FMV cutscenes. His reason was that people uploaded Brawls cutscenes to YouTube.

[Kalyx triaD]

I was just discussing that with my buds a while back. Makes sense.

[Drakul]

I would have liked some kind of story, especially as the logo is clearly the Smash logo hitting a planet as if it were a flaming comet, causing the planet to crack.

http://www.smashbros.com/en-uk/images/index/image/logo-sb-3ds.png

I was thinking we'd get some kind of story about the world of Nintendo shattering and some kind of back story as to what the Smash logo is or what Smash balls are or something.

I hope we get some kind of adventure mode, at least.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just a logo. I imagine there will be some single-player mode, just not a far reaching cutscene filled adventure.

[Drakul]

For a series that has always had a basic logo, it's pretty unusual and specific. It's not just a bunch of shapes that looks a little like something. It's clearly a planet being wrecked by the Smash logo. That's why I thought it might be something to do with a story mode.

Now that there is no story, it's a strange logo choice.

[Kalyx triaD]

Why strange? It's just a logo.

[Drakul]

Every other Smash game logo has just been

SUPER SMASH BROS
(subtitle)

This Smash logo is a picture, which is unusual for SB. I'm not saying it means anything now that I know it has no story.

[Extreme Angle]

Why strange? It's just a logo.

[Savio]

His reason was that people uploaded Brawls cutscenes to YouTube.
Why did that piss him off so much?

[Savio]

I still wish they put a subtitle on this one or at least a "4"

[Emperor Smeat]

Why did that piss him off so much?
Think it was something about the long amount of time spent making those videos and wanted people not to be spoiled before they got their chance to play the game. Either that or the general reaction of nobody really caring about it after the 1st viewing.

[Ultra Mantis]

He sounds like an emotional guy. I wonder what his polygon count is.

[Drakul]

I've read a few people saying they think it was probably Nintendos call and not his due to this whole YouTube thing Nintendo are going through.

[Kalyx triaD]

That makes no sense. Nintendo had issues with Let's Play vids not cutscenes which were not affected by their spazz out a few weeks ago. Sakurai hinted at this move long ago so I'm not surprised by it.

[Savio]

I will say creating a story for all these characters must be pretty hard but they did it once so it must be a bit easier now, I hope Tabuu comes back.

[Drakul]

This image was posted on the official Smash Bros site. Could be a hint to the next character or maybe just a stage.

http://www.smashbros.com/update/images/daily.jpg
It's from Pilotwings

[Kalyx triaD]

Anybody remember that layout? Seems SNES era to me. Mode 7-ish.

[Drakul]

It was mode 7. People have manged to match it to an exact level already.

This being the first screenshot to show something we didn't see in the trailers combined with the fact we have a Nintendo Direct tomorrow makes me think we'll be seeing a character reveal. Assuming it's related to a character.

[Emperor Smeat]

This image was posted on the official Smash Bros site. Could be a hint to the next character or maybe just a stage.

http://www.smashbros.com/update/images/daily.jpg
It's from Pilotwings

If I had to guess it would be just the stage and maybe an assist trophy being revealed. Maybe even a special "Mode 7" feature for the stage during fights.

Don't think the series has any real memorable or well known characters to get an actual fighter be revealed.

[Kalyx triaD]

The first Pilot Wings had some guy...

[Drakul]

The 3DS Pilotwings had a character. Mii.

[Kalyx triaD]

Where's Mega Man?

Oh. Ha.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sakurai, the black outlines around the characters for the 3DS has the option of being made thinner or turned off completely. Also confirmed again both the Wii Fit trainer and the Villager are in the 3DS version.

http://www.gonintendo.com/content/uploads/images/2013_8/turno.png
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=210438

[Drakul]

http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/peach/main.png

[Emperor Smeat]

Toon Link was recently revealed for the roster.

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/toon-link-3.jpg

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/toon-link-joins-super-smash-bros-roster/

[Kalyx triaD]

Hope he has different moves this time.

[Drakul]

Nope.

[Drakul]

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/y_z4u74cHUU?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Combos at 0:16?

[Savio]

Can't wait to beat his ass

[Savio]

What are the odds we see a double dragon, or battletoad on this?

[Kalyx triaD]

Somewhere between 'LOL' and 'Dream On'.

[Savio]

Which company has the license to them?

[Drakul]

Battletoads is Rare and Double Dragon is Taito.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's not a license thing, I'm sure no company would turn down an invitation to have a character appear in a Smash Bros game. The elephant in the room is how nobody gives a fuck about either franchise anymore. The recent DD reboot was kinda ass and went under the radar and Battletoads might as well be Gex (look him up youngins).

[Savio]

Yeah but they were big on NES and that's what got PIT in the last one.

[Kalyx triaD]

Pretty sure Pit being prepared to return in a new game (made by Sakurai) locked him for an appearance in Brawl.

[Savio]

Ok what about the ice climbers then?

[Kalyx triaD]

Obscure franchise nobody would expect in a fighting game, great swerve.

[Savio]

Well I disagree with you, I think Jimmy and Bimmy would be a great addition to SSB4

[Kalyx triaD]

I didn't state opinions, though.

[Poit]

I just want Geno.

[Drakul]

Pretty sure Pit being prepared to return in a new game (made by Sakurai) locked him for an appearance in Brawl.

I'm pretty sure the 3DS Kid Icarus game was a result of his popularity in Brawl.

[Savio]

The elephant in the room is how nobody gives a fuck about either franchise anymore.
Is an opinion. Are you trying to troll me Kaylx?

[Kalyx triaD]

No seriously, nobody gives a fuck. DD sold like shit on XBLA and Battletoads has no gaming community lobbying for its return. Let this go.

[Fignuts]

Double Dragon Neon was pretty fucking rad.

But yeah, still no where near popular enough to warrant a guest spot in smash.

[Savio]

I am not lobbying for DD to get a new Game.

Hey guess what? No one is lobbying for an "Ice Climbers" or "Game and Watch" game either

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Right, but surely you must see the difference of the Nintendo-owned properties and these third party ones that have no demand?

[Kalyx triaD]

I covered those games anyway. Ice Climber and Game & Watch:

Obscure franchise nobody would expect in a fighting game, great swerve.

Sakurai tends to do this. We now have Wii Fit Trainer.

Also what Hasney said, they're with Nintendo. Let this go.

[Savio]

If you think Bimmy or Jimmy aren't made perfect for this game then you are absolutely insane

[Kalyx triaD]

They aren't 'perfect' but nobody's saying that anyway.

[Kalyx triaD]

And it's Billy ffs.

[Fignuts]

Well, in his defense, it was Bimmy once

[Savio]

Can't wait to Super Knee "Little Mac" in his stupid fucking face.

[Emperor Smeat]

One of the newest screens for the game teases something Pokemon X related is included.

Lots of speculation of Xerneas being a possible playable character, assist trophy, or some sort of Pokemon X/Y themed stage is being planned.

http://cdn.medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/screens/screenshot_62430_thumb_wide610.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130112050249/pokemon/images/b/b6/Xerneas.png
http://www.destructoid.com/pokemon-xerneas-pops-up-in-super-smash-bros-wii-u-screen-263818.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/264618-WF.jpg

http://www.destructoid.com/male-wii-fit-trailer-revealed-for-new-smash-bros--264618.phtml

[Drakul]

http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/marth/main.png

[Kalyx triaD]

Looking good in HD. Hope the create-a-stage feature returns.

[Savio]

Hope they port this to PS3 :shifty:

[Emperor Smeat]

http://i.imgur.com/8PvJ8Ia.jpg


A new stage, Mario Galaxy!! The pull of gravity emanates from the center of the planet, so this will require using brand-new tactics. … Vertical jumps and getting hit upward will shoot you up diagonally.


http://www.gamnesia.com/news/mario-galaxy-stage-confirmed-for-smash-u#ad-image-0

[Emperor Smeat]

Skull Kid from Majora's Mask revealed to be an Assist Trophy in the game.

http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/267012-SK1.jpg
http://www.destructoid.com/majora-s-mask-s-skull-kid-to-be-an-assist-in-smash-bros--267012.phtml

[OssMan]

Toon Link was recently revealed for the roster.

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/toon-link-3.jpg

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/toon-link-joins-super-smash-bros-roster/Looks like Toon Link

[OssMan]

Balloon Kid would be a good obscure cameo ala Ice Climbers... I hope Sample M: Bath stage returns, that stage was the best

[Emperor Smeat]

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/super-smash-bros.jpg
Super Smash Bros. on Nintendo 3DS and Wii U will feature a Steel Diver sub weapon, director Masahiro Sakurai has announced.

The sub from Steel Diver is now a projectile weapon, which fires torpedoes that will get quicker the longer the weapon is out. “The sub from Steel Diver is now a cute projectile weapon–it launches torpedoes that fly slowly at first,” Sakurai wrote on Miiverse.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/nintendo-announces-steel-diver-weapon-for-super-smash-bros/

[Kalyx triaD]

Forgot Steel Driver was a thing.

[Savio]

Can't wait for them to introduce Double Dragon

[Emperor Smeat]

Masahiro Sakurai reveals Dr. Wily’s Castle is among the stages included for the game along with the Yellow Devil from Mega Man 3 as the special feature for the stage.

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/super-smash-1.jpg

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/super-smash-2.jpg
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/super-smash-bros-dr-wilys-castle-stage-shown-off/


Sakurai also stated the game won't be arriving in Spring 2014 and confirms Nintendo's official response about the Spring release being due to a misquotation.

Last week, NeoGAF users discovered an interview that Nintendo general manager for Germany Bernd Fakesch had with German news outlet Neckar Chronik in which the GM mentioned both Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. were lined up for a spring release. Once this news started making headlines, Nintendo represents stepped in to label it a “misquotation.” The Neckar Chronik article was subsequently changed to read “next year” instead of spring.

Taking to Twitter today (translated by Siliconera), Sakurai confirmed that spring 2014 was incorrect, and that Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS remains a nebulous “sometime 2014” release.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/super-smash-bros-director-confirms-2014-launch-window-not-spring-2014/

[Emperor Smeat]

Rosalina and Luma were revealed during today's Nintendo Direct as the newest playable fighters for the game.

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/12/BbxkFfbCAAAkt-0.jpg-large-610x343.jpeg

[Savio]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Y97iy2QpGSo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Emperor Smeat]

Zelda was the next one revealed today for the roster with the the knight from Spirit Tracks either being a special attack or an assist trophy.
http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12824568.jpg

http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12824566.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Zelda's hot.

[Extreme Angle]

Smokin'.

[Loose Cannon]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/559/460/2b5.jpg

lol Villager is psychotic

[Emperor Smeat]

Collectable trophies are returning although the 3DS version and Wii U version will each have different ones.

Happy New Year!
Pic of the day. There will be trophies in the 3DS and Wii U games, and each version will boast different types and models. The 3DS trophies will be mainly from handhelds and the Wii U version will feature trophies from the home-console games.

http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/nintendo2014/supersmashbros/trophies/smash0106-610.jpg
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/super_smash_bros/b/3ds/archive/2014/01/06/clear-your-trophy-cabinet-for-super-smash-bros.aspx?utm_content=buffer4d89f&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

[Emperor Smeat]

King Deedee revealed to be returning.

http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/dedede/screen-3.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/dedede/screen-10.jpg

http://www.screwattack.com/news/king-dedede-hammers-his-way-back-smash-4

[Emperor Smeat]

Ashley from the WarioWare series revealed to be an assist trophy.

http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/269013-h1.jpg
http://www.destructoid.com/warioware-s-ashley-is-the-latest-assist-in-smash-bros--269013.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

Sakurai stated "edge hogging" from past games is getting tweaked to give a fairer advantage to people who are actually trying to recover from falling compared to those who purposely fall to block the edges.

In both Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl, there's a popular mechanic commonly referred to as "edge-hogging." Since only one character can be on an edge at a time, when a character is knocked off of the stage, their opponent will often grab the edge, forcing the victim to recover by going up and over them, instead of simply grabbing the edge.

It happens all the time in competitive play, and is common practice by now. However, in Sakurai's "Pic of the day" on Miiverse, he has stated that "There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab." The details are obviously sparse, but Sakurai also mentions that "air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge" and "grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage."

There is a small window of invincibility when grabbing on to an edge, but now it looks like a player jumping off just to edge-hog will have little to no invincibility, while someone who is actually recovering will have more. Plus, word on the street is that if someone has used up their invincibility frames while on an edge and another recovering character comes to grab it, the recovering character will knock them off and grab the ledge.
http://www.destructoid.com/-edge-hogging-mechanics-of-new-smash-bros-are-different-269365.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

Lucario returning as a playable fighter.

http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12827159.jpg

http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12827153.jpg
http://www.screwattack.com/news/heroic-aura-pokemon-lucario-joins-cast-super-smash-bros-wii-u-and-3ds

[Savio]

Wish they would port this to PS3

[Kalyx triaD]

lol

[Fignuts]

Nintendo's sales keep plummeting, that might not be such a ridiculous concept.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mother Brain revealed to be an assist trophy.

http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/270162-M1.jpg

In his introduction, game director Sakurai states, "Pic of the day. Housed within the Control Capsule! Protected by Rinkas! Eyeball armed with a Laser Brain Attack!! The massive Assist Trophy Mother Brain joins the collection!!"

[Emperor Smeat]

Home Run bat returning as a weapon.

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/super-smash-bat-2.jpg
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/the-home-run-bat-returns-in-super-smash-bros/

[Kalyx triaD]

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Hype

[Emperor Smeat]

Diddy Kong revealed to be returning as a playable fighter.

http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12828763.jpg
http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12828755.jpg
http://www.screwattack.com/news/diddy-kong-kongfirmed-smash-bros-wii-u-and-3ds

[Emperor Smeat]

Walauigi revealed to be returning as an assist trophy.

http://www.destructoid.com//ul/271221-W1.jpg
http://www.destructoid.com/waaaah-it-s-waluigi-assist-time-in-smash-bros--271221.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

Aw.

[Savio]

Hate the name Waluigi

[Kalyx triaD]

It would be Wuigi otherwise.

[Emperor Smeat]

Snakes currently rumored to not be returning based on recent remarks from Hideo Kojima and supposedly Konami not getting involved this time.

"I'm not working on that game, but I don't think it's likely [that Snake will return]. If Mr. Sakurai is watching this, hopefully we see Snake."

Little Mac's assist trophy was revealed to be a fatter version of himself from another game called Captain Rainbow.
http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/gallery_photos/gallery-photo-12830536.jpg

http://www.screwattack.com/news/sunday-smash-what-about-solid-snake

[Emperor Smeat]

The outline feature for the 3DS version was revealed to be an optional feature.

Super Smash Bros. director Sakurai has once again taken to the Miiverse to show off the 3DS version of the game. In his newest post, he displays both visual filters -- without outlines (on the left), and with outlines (on the right). Sakurai also confirms 3D effects, which might be the first time they've even been confirmed or mentioned

http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/272466-DD2.jpg

http://www.destructoid.com/sakurai-shows-off-3ds-smash-bros-with-and-without-outlines-272466.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

Isabelle from the Animal Crossing series was revealed to be an assist trophy while a special simulcast Nintendo Direct episode covering the game will occur on April 8.

http://i.imgur.com/5FHRpju.png

http://www.screwattack.com/news/nintendo-hosting-global-smash-bros-direct-simulcast-next-week

[Kalyx triaD]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Emperor Smeat]

Smash Bros. will hit 3DS first this summer, followed by the Wii U release in winter.
Confirmed characters: Charizard, Greninja, Yoshi, Sheik, and Zero Suit Samus.
Online modes include For Fun (do whatever) and For Glory (Final Destination, no items).
The 3DS version has a cool mode called Smash Run in which you fight enemies in a dungeon for five minutes to boost your abilities and then brawl with other players.
A bunch of Pokemon are featured once again and now there are Master Balls.
"There will be elements in Super Smash Bros. that link both versions of the games."
You can customize your move sets when playing with friends locally or online.
Wireframe Mac is the best, confirmed.


Mega Man's Final Smash:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/13726008703_fe531d549b_o.gif

http://www.destructoid.com/let-s-watch-the-super-smash-bros-direct-together--273024.phtml



Game Informer listed all the stages revealed for both the 3DS and Wii U version along with some stuff related to the Wii U version and all the assist trophies in the game.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/04/08/super-smash-bros-comes-summer-2014-on-3ds-fall-on-wii-u.aspx

[Ermaximus]

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1384280_532439910210014_5415610536155075238_n.jpg

[FourFifty]

Still no Slippy :(

[Savio]

Still waiting on Bimmy and Jimmy.....Assist Trophy at least Nintendo.

[FourFifty]

Hoping for a Bald Bull or Doc Lewis assist trophy.

[Kalyx triaD]

I really need a pro controller. Been rocking Brawl with the boys lately, getting a hang of Sonic and Zelda (and occasionally Pikachu). Gonna pick up Zero Suit Samus with this one.

[road doggy dogg]

I finally got a 3DS, I hope this is coming out soon and Game & Watch is in it because he is the only good character

[Kalyx triaD]

Summer.

[road doggy dogg]

total babe in The OC

[road doggy dogg]

by that I mean I would totally pee in Rachel Bilson's butt

[Kalyx triaD]

You're strange.

[road doggy dogg]

You would not pee in her butt, if given the chance?

[Kalyx triaD]

No. Not my manor of expression. I'm afraid I just have sex with women.

[road doggy dogg]

It's the greatest form of endearment I know

[Kalyx triaD]

Then celebrate yourself.

[Savio]

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1384280_532439910210014_5415610536155075238_n.jpgI wonder why I can see this on my wifes PC and not mine.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dillon from Dillon’s Rolling Western revealed to be an assist trophy. Sakurai also hinted there are more assist trophies yet to be revealed.

http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/super-smash-bros-dillon-1.jpeg

“We didn’t introduce ALL of the Assist Trophies in the Smash Bros. Direct,” Sakurai wrote in a Miiverse post. “Here’s Dillon from Dillon’s Rolling Western!! He may rival Sonic in the art of rolling.

“He may be an animal, and his buckles are definitely on the adorable side, but there’s no denying he looks cool,” he later added. “His Assist Trophy can even do things like a quick charge.”

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/dillon-rolls-into-super-smash-bros-as-an-assist-trophy/

[Emperor Smeat]

Wonder Red from The Wonderful 101 was revealed to be a collectable trophy.

http://www.destructoid.com//ul/274490-Wonder%20Red.jpg

http://www.destructoid.com/wonder-red-appears-in-smash-bros-4-as-a-trophy-274490.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

VERY interesting...

[Emperor Smeat]

Similar to Wii Fit fighter having two playable characters possible, the Villager from Animal Crossing will also have multiple playable characters to choose from.

In today's update on SmashBros.com, four of the Villager skins have been shown, and the split is a perfect 50/50. Joining the black-eyed, bowl cut male Villager who has been shown in all of the previous Villager screenshots are a blue-eyed male Villager, a blue/green-eyed female Villager, and a twinkly-eyed, pink-haired female Villager.

http://www.destructoid.com//ul/274966-Villager.jpg
http://www.destructoid.com/female-villager-revealed-for-super-smash-bros--274966.phtml