Ermaximus Presents: Raw Thread for 07/09/12. Yes Men, Mystery GM's, and Heath Slater eats a Chicken Wing!

[#1-norm-fan]

Prime Time Players being #1 contenders actually has some build. Them getting a tag title match would almost constitute a storyline. That would be taboo for the undercard of the PPV. Random tag title match on the pre-show fits much better. Saves room for an impromptu Jack Swagger vs Zack Ryder match on the PPV.

[#1-norm-fan]

I believe they wouldn't be giving her such a big spot in a feud such as this, if they didn't have anything set in stone from the start.

Are we thinking of the same company? lol

[Blakeamus]

I got to make sure to catch Zack!Down this week.

[parkmania]

I believe they wouldn't be giving her such a big spot in a feud such as this, if they didn't have anything set in stone from the start. I'm sure in the beginning, it was a hit or miss but it ended up creating a big buzz and I'm certain this will have a nice payoff that will satisfy the viewers.

And they say Paul Heyman was a master Kool-Aid pusher...

[parkmania]

Prime Time Players being #1 contenders actually has some build. Them getting a tag title match would almost constitute a storyline. That would be taboo for the undercard of the PPV. Random tag title match on the pre-show fits much better. Saves room for an impromptu Jack Swagger vs Zack Ryder match on the PPV.

Right. Also, PTP can now be pissed that the wetback connection got the title shot they had earned and feud with them about it while R-Kingston sit back and relax.

[Blakeamus]

Are we thinking of the same company? lol

Just how I see it playa. I can agree that things get thrown togather and it usually goes the clusterfuck route or becomes a money draw. I'm just the type of viewer that just waits to see what unfold instead of scratching my head and question if they know what the fuck they are doing?

[Damndirty]

TNA has been showing more direction lately than WWE has by a million miles. WWE may need to watch it careless wandering, or it will be bitten on the ass like Santino was.

[#1-norm-fan]

Right. Also, PTP can now be pissed that the wetback connection got the title shot they had earned and feud with them about it while R-Kingston sit back and relax.

So PTP's hatred of Mexicans continues to distract them from cashing in their title shot. I like it.

[Damndirty]

WWE doesn't like black people

[Damndirty]

Ask Bobby Lashley and Booker

[Blakeamus]

TNA has been showing more direction lately than WWE has by a million miles. WWE may need to watch it careless wandering, or it will be bitten on the ass like Santino was.

I can agree that TNA has been on a roll the past several weeks. But as far as direction, I couldn't give them credit of being a million miles away ahead of WWE all because they pushed Austin Aries to the TNA championship.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just how I see it playa. I can agree that things get thrown togather and it usually goes the clusterfuck route or becomes a money draw. I'm just the type of viewer that just waits to see what unfold instead of scratching my head and question if they know what the fuck they are doing?

I'd love to see it unfold into a big climax. But it's become almost a sure thing recently that they write stuff week by week with no resolution in mind and it all comes to a subtle change into something else with no climax whatsoever.

[Damndirty]

Oh and Mark Henry, remember how long his reign was? Sure, it was injury, but he was still competing right after he lost it.

[Blakeamus]

I'd love to see it unfold into a big climax. But it's become almost a sure thing recently that they write stuff week by week with no resolution in mind and it all comes to a subtle change into something else with no climax whatsoever.

Well let's just hope that it doesn't fall flat.

[Damndirty]

I can agree that TNA has been on a roll the past several weeks. But as far as direction, I couldn't give them credit of being a million miles away ahead of WWE all because they pushed Austin Aries to the TNA championship.

Not because of Aries, but because of Roode.

[#1-norm-fan]

TNA has been showing more direction lately than WWE has by a million miles. WWE may need to watch it careless wandering, or it will be bitten on the ass like Santino was.

TNA isn't even on WWE's radar so I don't think that matters. Plus TNA can have more direction than WWE for a while but in the end, we'll have one well built up story with Rock-Cena or HHH-Taker or Cena-Lesnar or Lesnar-HHH that will just make TNA seem even further off the radar than it already is.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh and Mark Henry, remember how long his reign was? Sure, it was injury, but he was still competing right after he lost it.

Yeah, that was just... strange. Henry was one of the best built heel champions I can remember. I don't wanna fault them too much for what happened to him because it definitely seemed like a sudden decision was made that he couldn't go or something.

[Damndirty]

I quit expecting marvelous things from WWE when it went PG. That's like candy without sugar.

[Lock Jaw]

Now no one outside of TPWW will suspect anything. :cool:

[#1-norm-fan]

Just dawned on me that this is the second time Hornswoggle has been the big mystery person following a huge build.

At least they didn't play a live game of human Guess Who this time...

[Damndirty]

TNA isn't even on WWE's radar so I don't think that matters. Plus TNA can have more direction than WWE for a while but in the end, we'll have one well built up story with Rock-Cena or HHH-Taker or Cena-Lesnar or Lesnar-HHH that will just make TNA seem even further off the radar than it already is.

That's true, they are still a long way from toppling WWE, but they are on a rise. If anything, TNA needs to pay attention to WWE to not steal ideas, but to know what not to do.

[#1-norm-fan]

LOL. I like this guy.

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[#1-norm-fan]

HAH!

I'm liking this Raw more and more just for the reactions.

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[Damndirty]

I think I've got bitten by a shark tonight.

[Damndirty]

It would have been more forgiving for AJ, Eve, or fucking Slater to be the reveal than Swog.

[Skippord]

I likes the look of AJ on her knees

[#1-norm-fan]

It would have been more forgiving for AJ, Eve, or fucking Slater to be the reveal than Swog.

Bob Backlund would have been a fine choice at this point.

[Skippord]

lol Jericho even made Santino's search for the Anonymous GM kind of entertaining for 4 seconds

[Skippord]

Stephanie McMahon really sounded like Brother Love when she said "I love you" in this video package.

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember watching Triple H throughout that entire ceremony just standing there smiling while everyone knew that he was about to just explode at some point. And then he said the line about "Now I'm seeing you tonight for exactly who you are..." and the crowd just gave a collective "Aww shit, here it comes!" kind of reaction. Brilliant.

[#1-norm-fan]

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YOU HAVE LOST A FAN, WWE!!! :mad:

[Raven Reaper]

Hornswoggle as Raw's GM = WWE is down the drain. I agree with the fan video above me... Sigh, I never cared for the little leprechaun retard.

This week's Raw was total shit cos of that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Is it too soon to suggest Hornswoggle as the anonymous Raw GM for "Are You Serious?" or is there a certain period of time before WWE will admit to an idea being shitty enough to ridicule?

[Damndirty]

Bob Backlund would have been a fine choice at this point.

I think he would have been more suitable than anybody else, and I don't think there'd be that many disappointed people.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Just realized when Santino first asked Khali if he was the anonymous Raw GM, he said "Yes" for some reason.

Probably should have just ended the storyline right there and called it a day.

[Damndirty]

I guess Zackdown may be a redemption for this miserable CRawk of shit! I hope Vince is screaming backstage throwing shit around and beating on deli meats.

[loopydate]

I think Greg "The Hammer" Valentine should be the legend to come out this week.... I never really understood why he was known as "the hammer"

The hammer is his penis.

[Sepholio]

The Anonymous GM should have been Shane. I would have peed my pants.

[#1-norm-fan]

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Slater has to tell Backlund to try to shake his hand. lol

[Innovator]

One year ago in WWE time:

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[Keith]

Whatever happened to that CM Punk?

[Ruien]

Psh, a McMahon was the gm! How else could you possible choose someone else?

[Keith]

Anytime they need to blow-off an angle, they use Hornswoggle.

Same thing happened when they were searching for "McMahon's Illegitimate Son". They were like "Meh, let's get this over with. Let's say it's Hornswoggle".

[Autobahn]

I'm happy with how far CM Punk has come since last year. Nothing like he was then but he is still good. But the product itself is still pretty stagnant - nothing like the hype from last year.

Should have been New Jack as the Raw GM. Balls Mahoney as Co-GM.

[Big Vic]

Anytime they need to blow-off an angle, they use Hornswoggle.

Same thing happened when they were searching for "McMahon's Illegitimate Son". They were like "Meh, let's get this over with. Let's say it's Hornswoggle".
He also blew up McMahon's limo and told booker T he still remembers.

[Tom Guycott]

I wonder if Swog also collapsed the stage during McMahon's Million Dollar Mania.

[Tom Guycott]

Now no one outside of TPWW will suspect anything. :cool:

I told you all so.

Hornswoggle never actually said "yes". He's a plant in place as Lock Jaw's exit strategy.

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[Tom Guycott]

Wouldn't be surprised if she was originally meant to be with Kane before the sudden drop of him from the Bryan-Punk feud.


I'm thinking that's what Punk was allegedly upset about. The akward love triangle... square... triforce... thing they were doing added more intrigue, not to mention the added depth of "conflicted" Kane. And the fact that Kane was already dragged into the angle not by AJ, but by the actions of Bryan and Punk using him to soften each other up. There was more dynamic just having that third man there. Now, it's back to being simply face vs heel.

There's quite a bit of bite missing from this angle now just from dropping one person. Imagine how that table thing could have played out if Kane was waiting for her at the top of the stage. Or even if he were down there and went through the wood too.

Oh and Mark Henry, remember how long his reign was? Sure, it was injury, but he was still competing right after he lost it.

Yeah, that was just... strange. Henry was one of the best built heel champions I can remember. I don't wanna fault them too much for what happened to him because it definitely seemed like a sudden decision was made that he couldn't go or something.

Henry's going to be the guy who steps in to stop Big Show from "doing whatever he wants to do", much like Sheamus was the guy to halt Henry's steamrolling. He's the only guy believable enough to straight up stop Show, and since he's injured, he is going to come back as a face like he always does. I can see Show winning MITB, and Henry costing him, making him not only a 15 second champion, but the first cash-in loser, adding to his embarassing moments.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this, since I'm a dreamer.

[Big Vic]

I wonder if Swog also collapsed the stage during McMahon's Million Dollar Mania.
Swog will end up with AJ now too.

[Poit]

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this, since I'm a dreamer.

Tommy the dreamer.

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm interested by what Eve said to CM Punk. Hopefully this will be the start of something to elevate the seven-month WWE Champion to the top of the card, where he should be.

[Innovator]

I'm interested by what Eve said to CM Punk. Hopefully this will be the start of something to elevate the seven-month WWE Champion to the top of the card, where he should be.

I can see that leading to something with Rock and Punk on the 1000th episode.

[Lock Jaw]

Swog will end up with AJ now too.

They did have a relationship before on NXT.

[Flash Funk]

Total longshot, but how would you feel if this scenario came true on Sunday.

WWE Title MITB starts the show and Jericho wins.

AJ screws Punk, but then hits Daniel with a low blow or something. Jericho comes out and cashes in on Daniel, leaves with AJ. Turns out she was the girl in the video all along.

[Lock Jaw]

Would be referencing something more than three months old. Never happen.

[Ermaximus]

Much like Jericho beating HHH on Raw for the title didn't happen.

[Keith]

To WWE's credit, maybe they've been "taking it easy" with RAW these last couple weeks (especially last night) given that we just had WrestleMania a couple of months back, a couple PPV's after that (including one coming up), and the writing staff probably is a bit tired. And taking into account that RAW is going to be a 3 hour show permanently now, Vince is probably giving the writing staff some "active rest" because what's coming up, isn't easy.

But still, there's no excuse to them bringing back the Anonymous RAW GM angle for no reason whatsoever and out of the blue, just so they could write it off by revealing to us it was Hornswoggle.

[Ermaximus]

How to make 3 hour Raws better:

1) More matches, less promos. 1 or 2 promos is fine and dandy, but when you have a 3 hour show and half of that is promos, then what's the point?

2) Showcase your tag and women's division more prominently now. You have the time to do so now without the need to rush it, so let them have their time and put on a show.

3) Have more specialty matches during the show. How long has it been since Raw had an Iron Man match, or a Last Man Standing Match? Do something to keep the fans entertained.

[taker707]

ya not the greatest Raw. Still great to be there live though.

[Hanso Amore]

How to make 3 hour Raws better:

1) More matches, less promos. 1 or 2 promos is fine and dandy, but when you have a 3 hour show and half of that is promos, then what's the point?

2) Showcase your tag and women's division more prominently now. You have the time to do so now without the need to rush it, so let them have their time and put on a show.

3) Have more specialty matches during the show. How long has it been since Raw had an Iron Man match, or a Last Man Standing Match? Do something to keep the fans entertained.

To be quite honest, if they start putting Iron Man Matches on Raw, or specialty matches, then whats the point of buying PPVs? Its hard to pull off those matches on Raw and then still have gimmicks worth seeing pushed at a PPV during a possibly weak card.

[Cool King]

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[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, AJ is not exactly "promo ready". lol

I have a feeling Vince was freaking out backstage during those long pauses.

[James Steele]

I don't get the complaints about CM Punk's character. There is only so long a guy can run around burying everybody before "OMG! DID HE REALLY JUST SAY THAT HOLY SHITTTTTTTTT!!!!!" reaction dies down. RAW wasn't great by any means, but the main events were built up and making me wonder who will win those matches and possibly buying the PPV to find out. It feels like WWE is building more toward RAW1000 than MITB, but it makes sense since 1000 episodes is pretty historic. I just hope it is a good show and not just 3 hours of cramming as many people onto the show from the past 20 years as possible.

Destination X was a great PPV though. Good for TNA, hope they can actually keep building off of it.

[Tom Guycott]

Yeah, AJ is not exactly "promo ready". lol

I have a feeling Vince was freaking out backstage during those long pauses.

I don't think so. I think the pauses were intentional to be akward.

Also, I agree about that spinning backfist/knee spot. Prob'ly put that in just to see if anyone would notice/amuse themselves.

[Tom Guycott]

How to make 3 hour Raws better:

1) More matches, less promos. 1 or 2 promos is fine and dandy, but when you have a 3 hour show and half of that is promos, then what's the point?

2) Showcase your tag and women's division more prominently now. You have the time to do so now without the need to rush it, so let them have their time and put on a show.

3) Have more specialty matches during the show. How long has it been since Raw had an Iron Man match, or a Last Man Standing Match? Do something to keep the fans entertained.

And this will happen. At first. Just like when RAW went 2 hours fulltime, or Smackdown first went 2 hours permanantly.

It'll start out with going all-out in star power (The Rock, Brock, all the hottest Smackdown talent... etc.,) Next, they WILL have more matches and put more guys on TV... more of the Gabriels and the Kidds and the Tatsus.

Eventually, however, they'll squeeze in more skits and promos, and in about 18 months, we'll be back to where we are now with the same "lack of depth" problem, and only a 4 hour RAW will be able to fix that... or the mythical WWE Network.

[erickman]

booker had the quote of the night after hornswagle was revealed

[Poit]

Would be referencing something more than three months old. Never happen.

A couple weeks ago, they referenced Regal kissing Vince's ass.

[DaVe]

Can't wait for RAW 1000. Unfortunate that this past Raw wasn't so great, does seem like filler episodes until that episode.

[owenbrown]

We did have a relationship before on NXT.

Fixed. :shifty:

[erickman]

A couple weeks ago, they referenced Regal kissing Vince's ass.

regal will get that for the rest of his life, he was the one who came up with the kiss vinces ass club.

[Dukelorange]

booker had the quote of the night after hornswagle was revealed

What did he say?