rise and fall of WCW

[KIRA]

So I was watching the DVD and I noticed that a few wrestlers (particularly Goldberg) place a good chunk of blame on Hogans huge ego Keeping himself in the spotlight and so on,but every time Hogan pops up his ego is a non issue.So my question is has Hogan ever admited his part in WCW's downfall if any?

[whiteyford]

He played the system perfectly, read the death of WCW, but I think its more a case of him being the scapegoat, not like he was the only one with an ego there just that he had the stroke. Don't think he's ever came out and held his hands up for it, if anything its been the generic ' we did things wrong' schtick.

[AKin3D]

^That.

When I think about Hogan really is the only one who hasn't point the figner at himself. It's always "we did this wrong" "Maybe they shouldn't have done that" stuff like that, which would have been enough, but the others being so foward with everything makes him look like the trying to act like he did nothing wrong.

[WinterDecay]

Starcade 1993 main event: Ric Flair vs Vader (with Harley Race).

Hogan joins WCW - June 1994

Starcade 1994 main event: Hulk Hogan vs The Butcher

That right there is a prime example of what happened to WCW.


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[Savio]

Hogan was huge in 94 though it'd be stupid not to put him in the mainevent...They had a damn parade when he joined.

Hall and Nashes contracts also helped killed WCW too.

[Emperor Smeat]

He played the system perfectly, read the death of WCW, but I think its more a case of him being the scapegoat, not like he was the only one with an ego there just that he had the stroke. Don't think he's ever came out and held his hands up for it, if anything its been the generic ' we did things wrong' schtick.

Yeah one of his best things was him timing his yearly breaks to occur during the Jordan era of the NBA Playoffs.

He fooled WCW so well that WCW really thought their annual ratings decline in May/June was due to Hogan being out instead of Jordan being a massive mainstream draw at the time for the NBA.

[DLVH84]

Hogan was huge in 94 though it'd be stupid not to put him in the mainevent...They had a damn parade when he joined.

Hall and Nashes contracts also helped killed WCW too.

That and the clause in Hall and Nash's contracts that said if anyone got signed to a bigger contract than them, they have to match that person's deal automatically.

[Fignuts]

lol at crediting "The Death of WCW" as a reliable source.

It was two dudes gathering all the wcw backstage rumors off the torch from the past 5 years, and making a book out of it.

[whiteyford]

You'll be telling me the Da Vinci Code isn't true next.

[Shisen Kopf]

WCW died bc David Arquette wasn't champion for longer. If given time to shine, he woulda carried WCW to the promised land.

[Hanso Amore]

Hogan didnt book the company into the ground. Hell, he Made Goldberg their biggest start.

they were a financial mess. I dont care if you didnt like Hogan putting himself at the top and politicking for it, he put asses in the seats. he didnt make them sign something like 150 wrestlers to guaranteed deals. He didnt waste the money on celebrities and shit like that.

The Company was in financial ruin, and would have lived for another 5 years probably with new management somehow. WCW died because they were pulled from TNT.

[Hanso Amore]

For all the talk about their Downfall, WCW was still doing 2.1 ratings every week. Byt today's standards, that is pretty damn good considering they were head to head with Raw.

Today, that same rating on a Thursday night like impact would be a 3+

[whiteyford]

The standard and practices stuff didn't help, some god awful 'hardcore' stuff during that time. Creative control as well. There were soooooo many things wrong with WCW at times but like Hanso said a 2.1 rating every week regardless.

[Hanso Amore]

I would venture to say that even though Hogan pulled his shit, he was the LEAST of the problems.

Flair as world champ past age 50 wasnt any better than anything Hogan was pulling.

All Boils back to management.

[JKWJRMON]

I'm sorry, when Jeff Jarrett and Vince Russo are runnng the show - you have big fucking problems.

[JKWJRMON]

Jericho said it best in the DVD. When Russo had no filter (Vince Mcmahon) he literally ruined WCW.

[DLVH84]

Jericho said it best in the DVD. When Russo had no filter (Vince Mcmahon) he literally ruined WCW.

Yeah, even Goldberg called it shit.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Jeff Jarrett was a brilliant champion.

[whiteyford]

Jeff Jarrett was a brilliant champion, Slapnuts.

[James Steele]

lol at crediting "The Death of WCW" as a reliable source.

It was two dudes gathering all the wcw backstage rumors off the torch from the past 5 years, and making a book out of it.

The book was fucking hilarious though.

[Gertner]

The book was great, but yeah take it with a grain of salt.

If it weren't for Hogan WCW would have gone out of business well before 2001

[KIRA]

Jeff Jarrett was a brilliant champion.

I dunno even back in middle school my friends and I made endless jokes about JJ trying his hardest to be the poor mans HHH and failing with every guitar swing I found it hilarious that people in the company felt the same way.

As for my question I didnt mean to spotlight hogan as a major cause I just wondered if he felt bad for anything he had done.

Ive always felt that one of the big downfalls of the company (besides going through money like water)was that WCW was a one trick pony after the nWo success they xeroxed and reformed the group on a monthly basis.

[Perry Saturn]

Well, I just watched it. And yes like so many people said they're were just so many huge ego's and people wanting so much money. As well as keeping the "spotlight" on the same superstars making damn near impossible for anyone else to have a shot. And if they had any kind of go they were pretty quickly fired.

[Rhaps]

It's hardly like Hogan's going to come out and say "yeah OK, I fucked it all up," is he?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I dunno even back in middle school my friends and I made endless jokes about JJ trying his hardest to be the poor mans HHH and failing with every guitar swing I found it hilarious that people in the company felt the same way.

As for my question I didnt mean to spotlight hogan as a major cause I just wondered if he felt bad for anything he had done.

Ive always felt that one of the big downfalls of the company (besides going through money like water)was that WCW was a one trick pony after the nWo success they xeroxed and reformed the group on a monthly basis.

I guess you and your friends are just generally not very fun people.

[KIRA]

I guess you and your friends are just generally not very fun people. I'm curious what did you see in Double J? Dont get me wrong he was great at being a heel specifically when he was a chauvinist dick but as a heel world champion not so much it felt like he tried too hard IMO.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

#slapnuts

[Autobahn]

Jarrett was good as WCW champ. He was a fresh face - hell, they were possibly planning on putting the belt on Tank Abbott.

[Purgatory]

I downloaded 6 years of WCW Nitro (1995 - 2001, 146 full episodes). Hogan was in every episode, but didn't really start hogging the spotlight till the nWo were created. From then on, he was pretty much featured every episode.

[KIRA]

Jarrett was good as WCW champ. He was a fresh face - hell, they were possibly planning on putting the belt on Tank Abbott.


I like jarrett in fact hes never failed to entertain me its just that Triple H was also champ in that period and while I couldnt stand him dominating like he did he was the bad guy champ(Scott Hall not withstanding)

I'll just say this while Jeff Jarrett was a heel Triple H was a bastard.

[Hanso Amore]

I downloaded 6 years of WCW Nitro (1995 - 2001, 146 full episodes). Hogan was in every episode, but didn't really start hogging the spotlight till the nWo were created. From then on, he was pretty much featured every episode.

What are you talking about? He would miss weeks at a time....

[Wehttam]

hanso and i prolly made eye contact at a wcw nitro in 1999

[Hanso Amore]

If you ever used to go to the ECW events at the Flickinger center we most certainly sat next to each other at some point.

[Wehttam]

only one but i was only about 10 or so

[Hanso Amore]

Ahhh, Youth. I think I was 16 or 17 at my last ECW show. Still remember one of the first ones I went to in 96 I think, was when it was ALL garbage hardcore. Hack Myers ended up in a "pirahna" tank.

[Wehttam]

yea i went somewhere near the summer 97 i'm guessing. so 11.

[Purgatory]

What are you talking about? He would miss weeks at a time....

Not in the last 2 years of episodes that I've been watching. In the last 12 shows I've watched, the majority of airtime have involved Sting, Hogan, Savage, and Lex Luger. I think I'm glad I missed most of this the first time around. I probably wouldn't have bothered watching at all.

[Gertner]

Yeah Hogan took time off regularaly to film movies and stuff

[MoFo]

They had some of the most mental gimmick matches

Like I remember this one where there was 3 hell in a cells stacked on top of each other and you had to get a straight jacket and put it on your opponent :lol: It had Steiner and 3 others IIRC, and if that wasnt clusterfucked enough Goldberg came out and speared Vince Russo thru the cage :rofl:

[whiteyford]

Really wish they'd bring back the triple cage, even just for a game.

[Shisen Kopf]

Yeah Hogan took time off regularaly to film movies and stuff

Some of the best movies ever made.

[whiteyford]

I don't anyone would dispute that No Holds Barred is a cinematic masterpiece...

[Zeeboe]

Hulk Hogan was one of the biggest weapons WCW had, and the reason why so many guys from the WWF jumped ship, so he shouldn't be to blame for WCW's death. He should be credited for WCW's success.

[ron the dial]

really, he had a hand in both the success and death. not sole responsibility for either, obviously, but definitely a factor in both.

[mrslackalack]

One thing that always annoyed me about WCW is their unopposed first hour on 3 Hr Nitros theyd run recaps & video packages. Sure it was to get viewers in case they missed it or whats going on but it was overkill, and then like the Push of the month squash and like a Van Hammer vs Prince Iaukea match!

[whiteyford]

Downloading the 1st two years of Nitro and Thunder, it will be 1997 again soon enough.

[Theo Dious]

One thing that always annoyed me about WCW is their unopposed first hour on 3 Hr Nitros theyd run recaps & video packages. Sure it was to get viewers in case they missed it or whats going on but it was overkill, and then like the Push of the month squash and like a Van Hammer vs Prince Iaukea match!

Yeah the first hour was pretty much "what the nWo did to close the show last week," then they'd have a cruiserweight match where the commentators spent half the match talking about what the nWo did last week, then more recaps and some backstage shit, then a jobber match, then previews of what was coming up in the next two hours. Never bothered with the first hour.

[Theo Dious]

Also, the only reason anyone knows who Prince Iaukea is is that he was the guy who broke up Jericho's "1004 Holds" promo.

[James Steele]

I liked Prince Iaukea.

[James Steele]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/785/748/PrinceIaukea_display_image.jpg?1326243104
http://v013o.popscreen.com/eDZicm5qMTI=_o_prince-iaukea-vs-pat-tanaka-wcw-world-television-title.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Prince%20Iaukea%20num1.jpg

[James Steele]

Think you're a TOUGH GUY?!?!?

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Jim%20Duggan%20num5.jpg

[James Steele]

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Prince%20Iaukea%20num2.jpg

[James Steele]

http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/sportsandhobbies/wcwnwopromos000?z=9&l=0&c=5&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=251

[James Steele]

What the fuck was this?

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Wild%20Cat%20Willie.jpg

[James Steele]

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Teddy%20Long%20num1.jpg

[James Steele]

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Scotty%20Flamingo.jpg

[James Steele]

I wonder if Rey actually looks older now or not:

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Rey%20Mysterio%20num2.jpg

[James Steele]

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Booty%20Man%20and%20Booty%20Girl.jpg

Going through all these promo pics, it is amazing WCW survived as long as it did. Realistically, WCW was only on top for 3 years. It was shit before and shit after. Without Ted Turner's money it would have died before the nWo angle would have even started.

[#1-norm-fan]

I liked Prince Iaukea.

I did too. It was a simple small Hawaiian wrestler character but there's room for a little simplicity. Nothing bad about him.

[#1-norm-fan]

I really miss Clash of the Champions. And not in the same way I miss early-mid 90's wrestling in general.

[James Steele]

I really miss Clash of the Champions. And not in the same way I miss early-mid 90's wrestling in general.

I think it is a great concept to use again since wrestling isn't as hot as it was when they stopped doing them and the PPV market is over-saturated. Making a free TV supercard would be awesome. Build it up on free TV and then use it as a launch program on WWE Network (if it ever happens).

[Gertner]

I did too. It was a simple small Hawaiian wrestler character but there's room for a little simplicity. Nothing bad about him.

Northern Lights Suplex FTW

[Hanso Amore]

I think THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AND PRINCE IAUKEA was a brilliant gimmick swap and more clever than most of the shit today.

[DLVH84]

What the fuck was this?

http://photos.imageevent.com/pizon/wcwnwopromos/Wild%20Cat%20Willie.jpg

That was WCW's mascot during the 1990s. He's usally seen on WCW Saturday Night.

[Shisen Kopf]

Did wildcat willie ever rassle Bobby Jaggers? Also, RIP Vicky Venom

[Razzamajazz]

i remember being disappointed when prince nakamaki wasn't in the n64 games. i wanted to use him to beat my brother

[DLVH84]

Did wildcat willie ever rassle Bobby Jaggers? Also, RIP Vicky Venom

The mascot debuted in 1996, Jaggers retired in 1991, so no.

[#1-norm-fan]

That's the only reason that match never happened.

[itsmeJD]

The mascot debuted in 1996, Jaggers retired in 1991, so no.

Another dream match we've been deprived of. :-\

[Heyman]

A lack of Hogan vs. Hart feud when Hart was in his prime probably played a significant role.

[DLVH84]

A lack of Hogan vs. Hart feud when Hart was in his prime probably played a significant role.

I agree. That should've happened when Bret first came to WCW and used the fact that Hulk didn't want to drop the WWF title to Bret at SummerSlam, and instead dropped it back to Yokozuna at King Of The Ring before he left.

[Gertner]

Bret Hart was probably the 8-9th biggest name on the roster when he arrived. He's the most over-rated draw in wrestling history.

[Shisen Kopf]

Bret Hart ruled. He was one of my favorite rasslers as a kid. Love his heel turn in 97.

[Purgatory]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTs8ghT-HRy5J4NtQS4MsR0mbHE80aO22ph8E3_0txIdxFLJC2YlVKUbJOEYQ

:( RIP Chris Kanyon

[Nicky Fives]

thread needs more Booty Girl.....