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Old 09-30-2012, 01:35 AM   #1
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rise and fall of WCW
So I was watching the DVD and I noticed that a few wrestlers (particularly Goldberg) place a good chunk of blame on Hogans huge ego Keeping himself in the spotlight and so on,but every time Hogan pops up his ego is a non issue.So my question is has Hogan ever admited his part in WCW's downfall if any?
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Old 09-30-2012, 02:33 AM   #2
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He played the system perfectly, read the death of WCW, but I think its more a case of him being the scapegoat, not like he was the only one with an ego there just that he had the stroke. Don't think he's ever came out and held his hands up for it, if anything its been the generic ' we did things wrong' schtick.
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Old 09-30-2012, 03:16 AM   #3
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^That.

When I think about Hogan really is the only one who hasn't point the figner at himself. It's always "we did this wrong" "Maybe they shouldn't have done that" stuff like that, which would have been enough, but the others being so foward with everything makes him look like the trying to act like he did nothing wrong.
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:03 AM   #4
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Starcade 1993 main event: Ric Flair vs Vader (with Harley Race).

Hogan joins WCW - June 1994

Starcade 1994 main event: Hulk Hogan vs The Butcher

That right there is a prime example of what happened to WCW.


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Old 09-30-2012, 10:40 AM   #5
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Hogan was huge in 94 though it'd be stupid not to put him in the mainevent...They had a damn parade when he joined.

Hall and Nashes contracts also helped killed WCW too.
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He played the system perfectly, read the death of WCW, but I think its more a case of him being the scapegoat, not like he was the only one with an ego there just that he had the stroke. Don't think he's ever came out and held his hands up for it, if anything its been the generic ' we did things wrong' schtick.
Yeah one of his best things was him timing his yearly breaks to occur during the Jordan era of the NBA Playoffs.

He fooled WCW so well that WCW really thought their annual ratings decline in May/June was due to Hogan being out instead of Jordan being a massive mainstream draw at the time for the NBA.
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Hogan was huge in 94 though it'd be stupid not to put him in the mainevent...They had a damn parade when he joined.

Hall and Nashes contracts also helped killed WCW too.
That and the clause in Hall and Nash's contracts that said if anyone got signed to a bigger contract than them, they have to match that person's deal automatically.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:28 PM   #8
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lol at crediting "The Death of WCW" as a reliable source.

It was two dudes gathering all the wcw backstage rumors off the torch from the past 5 years, and making a book out of it.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:31 AM   #9
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:51 AM   #10
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WCW died bc David Arquette wasn't champion for longer. If given time to shine, he woulda carried WCW to the promised land.
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:28 AM   #11
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Hogan didnt book the company into the ground. Hell, he Made Goldberg their biggest start.

they were a financial mess. I dont care if you didnt like Hogan putting himself at the top and politicking for it, he put asses in the seats. he didnt make them sign something like 150 wrestlers to guaranteed deals. He didnt waste the money on celebrities and shit like that.

The Company was in financial ruin, and would have lived for another 5 years probably with new management somehow. WCW died because they were pulled from TNT.
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:30 AM   #12
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For all the talk about their Downfall, WCW was still doing 2.1 ratings every week. Byt today's standards, that is pretty damn good considering they were head to head with Raw.

Today, that same rating on a Thursday night like impact would be a 3+
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The standard and practices stuff didn't help, some god awful 'hardcore' stuff during that time. Creative control as well. There were soooooo many things wrong with WCW at times but like Hanso said a 2.1 rating every week regardless.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:59 PM   #14
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I would venture to say that even though Hogan pulled his shit, he was the LEAST of the problems.

Flair as world champ past age 50 wasnt any better than anything Hogan was pulling.

All Boils back to management.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:49 PM   #15
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I'm sorry, when Jeff Jarrett and Vince Russo are runnng the show - you have big fucking problems.
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Jericho said it best in the DVD. When Russo had no filter (Vince Mcmahon) he literally ruined WCW.
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Jericho said it best in the DVD. When Russo had no filter (Vince Mcmahon) he literally ruined WCW.
Yeah, even Goldberg called it shit.
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Jeff Jarrett was a brilliant champion.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:35 AM   #20
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lol at crediting "The Death of WCW" as a reliable source.

It was two dudes gathering all the wcw backstage rumors off the torch from the past 5 years, and making a book out of it.
The book was fucking hilarious though.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:01 PM   #21
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The book was great, but yeah take it with a grain of salt.

If it weren't for Hogan WCW would have gone out of business well before 2001
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I dunno even back in middle school my friends and I made endless jokes about JJ trying his hardest to be the poor mans HHH and failing with every guitar swing I found it hilarious that people in the company felt the same way.

As for my question I didnt mean to spotlight hogan as a major cause I just wondered if he felt bad for anything he had done.

Ive always felt that one of the big downfalls of the company (besides going through money like water)was that WCW was a one trick pony after the nWo success they xeroxed and reformed the group on a monthly basis.
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Well, I just watched it. And yes like so many people said they're were just so many huge ego's and people wanting so much money. As well as keeping the "spotlight" on the same superstars making damn near impossible for anyone else to have a shot. And if they had any kind of go they were pretty quickly fired.
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It's hardly like Hogan's going to come out and say "yeah OK, I fucked it all up," is he?
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I dunno even back in middle school my friends and I made endless jokes about JJ trying his hardest to be the poor mans HHH and failing with every guitar swing I found it hilarious that people in the company felt the same way.

As for my question I didnt mean to spotlight hogan as a major cause I just wondered if he felt bad for anything he had done.

Ive always felt that one of the big downfalls of the company (besides going through money like water)was that WCW was a one trick pony after the nWo success they xeroxed and reformed the group on a monthly basis.
I guess you and your friends are just generally not very fun people.
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I guess you and your friends are just generally not very fun people.
I'm curious what did you see in Double J? Dont get me wrong he was great at being a heel specifically when he was a chauvinist dick but as a heel world champion not so much it felt like he tried too hard IMO.
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Jarrett was good as WCW champ. He was a fresh face - hell, they were possibly planning on putting the belt on Tank Abbott.
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I downloaded 6 years of WCW Nitro (1995 - 2001, 146 full episodes). Hogan was in every episode, but didn't really start hogging the spotlight till the nWo were created. From then on, he was pretty much featured every episode.
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Jarrett was good as WCW champ. He was a fresh face - hell, they were possibly planning on putting the belt on Tank Abbott.

I like jarrett in fact hes never failed to entertain me its just that Triple H was also champ in that period and while I couldnt stand him dominating like he did he was the bad guy champ(Scott Hall not withstanding)

I'll just say this while Jeff Jarrett was a heel Triple H was a bastard.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:53 AM   #31
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I downloaded 6 years of WCW Nitro (1995 - 2001, 146 full episodes). Hogan was in every episode, but didn't really start hogging the spotlight till the nWo were created. From then on, he was pretty much featured every episode.
What are you talking about? He would miss weeks at a time....
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:15 AM   #32
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hanso and i prolly made eye contact at a wcw nitro in 1999
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:25 AM   #33
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If you ever used to go to the ECW events at the Flickinger center we most certainly sat next to each other at some point.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:56 AM   #34
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only one but i was only about 10 or so
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:40 PM   #35
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:58 PM   #36
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yea i went somewhere near the summer 97 i'm guessing. so 11.
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What are you talking about? He would miss weeks at a time....
Not in the last 2 years of episodes that I've been watching. In the last 12 shows I've watched, the majority of airtime have involved Sting, Hogan, Savage, and Lex Luger. I think I'm glad I missed most of this the first time around. I probably wouldn't have bothered watching at all.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:23 PM   #38
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Yeah Hogan took time off regularaly to film movies and stuff
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They had some of the most mental gimmick matches

Like I remember this one where there was 3 hell in a cells stacked on top of each other and you had to get a straight jacket and put it on your opponent It had Steiner and 3 others IIRC, and if that wasnt clusterfucked enough Goldberg came out and speared Vince Russo thru the cage
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Really wish they'd bring back the triple cage, even just for a game.
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