Man of Steel (June 14, 2013)

[Kalyx triaD]

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[VSG]

http://io9.com/the-most-important-scenes-from-man-of-steel-as-i-remem-516405346

[Nowhere Man]

Because I couldn't just let it go, I had to go and write a follow-up rant in regards to the fallout from MoS:

http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2013/07/upon-further-review-man-of-steel-and.html

[Frank Drebin]

Movie was meh.

-The entire city is shown in ruins with whole skyscrapers coming down in battle. There should have been tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths but everyone is like "SUPERMAN SAVED THE DAY! WHATEVS!!!"

-Loopy is spot on with the Tornado scene.

-Why were there no natural births on Krypton anymore? Why was Kal-El the only one?

-That open/empty pod in the ship? Yah, we can revisit it in a sequel but not even a hint or other reference to it?

-In one scene Lois Lane chugs a glass of whisky/bourbon and in the next her line is "What if I have to tinkle?" Is that a reference to something from the comics? It was jarring to hear "tinkle" as odd as that sounds.

-The family of four that Zod is trying to kill at the end....are they ok n stuff?

[Kalyx triaD]

Earth is not New Krypton, so I'd reason Superman did save the day.

Other details makes me think you simply weren't interested enough to care about them.

[Frank Drebin]

Right, so just keep those details to yourself then because I must be some meathead who didn't read every bloody bit of literature going into the movie and wasn't genuinely interested in getting answers to my questions in order to better understand what I just saw. No way could I have possibly overlooked a detail that prevented me from understanding one of the concepts I pointed out. I simply didn't care and wasn't interested to begin with. Yeah.

[Kalyx triaD]

We're in accord then.

[Frank Drebin]

All you have to do is answer my questions and I would have been like "oh ok" but instead you decide to act all superior because this is "your thing." What a douche.

[Kalyx triaD]

lol Let it go. Best not to be a drama queen about it.

[Frank Drebin]

Yawn.

Still can't answer any of my questions. Probably were legit gripes that can't be explained away. Movie was Meh.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm not convinced having them answered would do anything to improve the movie for you, so ask somebody else who would be. Later.

[Frank Drebin]

Thats the whole reason I asked them in the first place. Its not your place to determine the ramifications if your answers will shine a light on this movie for me or not. They might though.

You should be trying to show a foreigner the way and not blowing him off when he asks for directions.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm more receptive when the tourist doesn't kick off his inquiry with, "This town is kinda shit, where's the beaches at?"

[Frank Drebin]

I'm guessing you loved the movie. I can be convinced but found my original post gripes to overwhelm the positives of the film at times.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Kalyx triaD]

I'm guessing you loved the movie.

Your guess is correct, I dug the movie. Any gripes I have are pretty different from the other stuff on the net.

I can be convinced but found my original post gripes to overwhelm the positives of the film at times.

That's cool, doesn't seem to be an issue.

[Frank Drebin]

:roll:

[Tb1]

Kind of think these guys are too cynical most times, but I agree with most of their review I think.

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[Kalyx triaD]

NICE

[JimmyMess]

That was fantastic!

[Raven Reaper]

http://batman-news.com/2013/07/09/new-batman-easter-egg-from-man-of-steel-revealed/

[poopfromweiner dude]

I liked it a lot. Especial the big fight scene

[dronepool]

Very good movie. I liked it.

[dronepool]

Dare I say it but I think I enjoyed Man of Steel more than Dark Knight Rises.

[Damian Rey]

I'll answer your questions, Frank
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Movie was meh.

-The entire city is shown in ruins with whole skyscrapers coming down in battle. There should have been tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths but everyone is like "SUPERMAN SAVED THE DAY! WHATEVS!!!"

I think this is the result of both Snyder and Goyer not having an exact idea of what they wanted to do with the story, so, instead of seeing Superman save people and build a reputation before taking on Zod, we jump into destruction. I agree with you on this.

-Loopy is spot on with the Tornado scene.

Disagree. Felt this was one of the better, more emotional scenes in the movie. But I can see people finding it cheesy. Hated that Clark essentially disowned his parents prior to the death happening. So stupid.

-Why were there no natural births on Krypton anymore? Why was Kal-El the only one?

Don't remember if it was explained, but I'd reckon the leaders of Krypton felt genetically creating soldiers and scientist predisposed was best in continually developing their society. Also, this was supposed to make Clark an outcast on both Krypton and Earth, but neither was really expanded on, outside of some flashback scenes. It was a good idea that was never delved into.

-That open/empty pod in the ship? Yah, we can revisit it in a sequel but not even a hint or other reference to it?

I don't even know if they will expand on it in a sequel. Feel like it was just Snyder being cheeky with fans with zero intent on actually doing naything about it in the next film.

-In one scene Lois Lane chugs a glass of whisky/bourbon and in the next her line is "What if I have to tinkle?" Is that a reference to something from the comics? It was jarring to hear "tinkle" as odd as that sounds.

Just ineffective writing?

-The family of four that Zod is trying to kill at the end....are they ok n stuff?

Who cares, Frank? The point of the scene was clearly to show how conflicted Clark was in killing Zod, a man he barely knew, who was the second to last man from his home planet, a planet he had zero emotional attachment to, and spent all of five minutes learning about in the Spark Notes program on the vessel by digital dad, Jor-El. Get your head out your ass, Frank, and be a fanboy, accepting this as what it is!!!

But yeah, I agree you with a lot of what you said. Meh.

[Frank Drebin]

(This is how you respond, Kylax. Take notes from Damian Rey)

You are right in that its a comic book movie, and that I just need to suspend disbelief maybe a little more than I normally would. Thing is, I let lots of stuff go in the Batman Trilogy, but felt better about ignoring some of it. (Joker has thousands of pounds of explosives hidden and strategically set up in the hospital?)


Things just felt very uneven in this one. I also hate loose ends not being tied up or at the very least referenced after taking center stage for a time which is why the outcome of the family bothered me. We were supposed to care if they live or die, then they just dropped it like someone accidentally cut a shot or piece of dialogue.


Thanks for explaining things and providing a different spin on things for me.

[Damian Rey]

That last line about accepting it was supposed to be taken as a joke. Nolan's films spent a lot of time developing characters, making them and their actions believable, even with something like Joker's bombing of the hospital, and developed everything within the story to somehow work and become a cohesive aspect of the film without being too over the top.

Man of Steel didn't do any of that at all. A member on Flixter wrote a review I liked that stated they felt like they were watching the best scenes out of three seperate films thrown into one. That's a pretty solid sum of what we got with Man of Steel.

Tons of small gems, spread across 2.5 hours of convoluted inconsistency.

[Kalyx triaD]

No need to take notes, I'm quite happy with how I replied to you.

[Damian Rey]

Frank had/has legitimate issues with the movie, and wanted some constructive discussion about it. You're acting like a pre teen girl defending Twilight movies. You're better than that, Kalyx. Far better.

[Kalyx triaD]

I didn't feel that I needed to explain away what he didn't like. Especially if I didn't consider issues. My own issues were discussed with the people I rather discuss it with. Let this go.

[Frank Drebin]

Frank had/has legitimate issues with the movie, and wanted some constructive discussion about it. You're acting like a pre teen girl defending Twilight movies. You're better than that, Kalyx. Far better.

:y:x1000

[Frank Drebin]

I didn't feel that I needed to explain away what he didn't like. Especially if I didn't consider issues. My own issues were discussed with the people I rather discuss it with. Let this go.

The people you would rather discuss with....

Kalyx is no different than the jocks with no necks he despises. One set likes sports, the other movies.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's quite a few people who would laugh at that. Don't be a bitch about this one interaction where you're feeling 'snubbed'. Get over it.

And what jocks am I despising? Where did that come from? What's wrong with you?

[Frank Drebin]

The people you would rather discuss with......the people who would laugh at that....

You should stop using cross dressers as your "go to" crowd. At least upgrade to furries. Shame Pintint is gone. He would have given you a few pointers.

[Kalyx triaD]

What? Is this one of things where you have some deep rooted grievances against a certain type of people and you think you found one and now you're 'letting it all out'?

Because it totally is. Get over it, dude, seriously. You're looking bitch-made right now, no offense.

[Frank Drebin]

Is being "bitch-made" the process that they used to conceive children on Krypton?

[Kalyx triaD]

It's a term for overly dramatic, petty, and generally whiny men.

[Frank Drebin]

Why didn't Batman try to save Krypton, Kalyx? Seems like a dick move.

[ron the dial]

kalyx you've wasted more time and words arguing the fact that you didn't want to answer the questions than if you would have just answered the questions.

[Kalyx triaD]

It was never a question of time wasted.

[ron the dial]

I wasn't answering a question, either.

[Kalyx triaD]

Cool.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Damian Rey]

I take full responsibility and enjoyment in reigniting this feud.

Kalyx, I think Frank is merely trying to say you would rather discuss the movie with people who agree with your take, rather than defend and discuss your take with those who saw the film differently and less positively.

[Skippord]

Isn't that kind of always true though? Arguing about a movie seems nightmarish and pointless.

[Damian Rey]

There's a difference between arguing and discussing and debating. Arguing, yeah, that can turn really ugly. But there's nothing wrong with debating and discussing something with someone who doesn't share your opinion. Talking with people who constantly agree is boring.

[Frank Drebin]

Skip - Everyone has their own opinion on movies so its fun to talk about them. I like hearing what everyone thinks and how they arrived at their conclusions. I might learn a few new things. When it pertains to movies, maybe I missed something. It could have been in a movie I loved or hated. Maybe it puts a different spin on things.

I wanted to get some answers to plot holes I saw about this movie. That was it. Kalyx's response was so douchy I could smell the stank puss through my monitor.

(snorts) "He probably dosen't even know who Squirrel Girl is."

[Damian Rey]

I mean, does anyone really ever agree with Raven Reaper's reviews? Most times, I'd say probably not. But he's entertaining as shit to read, regardless and would probably provide a very fun discussion.

[Frank Drebin]

Word. D Rey, dropping knowledge in this thread.

[Kalyx triaD]

I pick and choose what discussions are worth having. Based on your initial remarks I figured there isn't much we would actually gather from each other. Serious Business, right? I've had this rodeo a million times - it's kinda my thing. I know which discussion is worth having. You may not agree with me not entertaining this one, but none of us are really out to change and minds anyway.

I read your thoughts on the movie, I get them, moving on. I'm more than willing to riff on about other topics since you seem hard up on engaging me in something. Just don't feel offended that I'm not taking a seat at this table. Believe it or not this isn't the only place I have debates on. Sometimes, just sometimes, I take a rain check and move on.

So for the last time; let this go. Tell you what, next time you have some thoughts on some superhero movie I'll be the first to riff with ya on it. Happy?

[Frank Drebin]

Ya but you responded, regardless. If you were practicing what you're preaching, you would haven't said anything. The post would have sat there until the end of time or until someone else wanted to add something.

but instead you decide to act all superior because this is "your thing."

I pick and choose what discussions are worth having. I've had this rodeo a million times - it's kinda my thing.


Would you like to buy a limited edition Squirrel Girl lunch box?

[Kalyx triaD]

Not a fan of her. She's 'cute' design, I guess.

Is this you dropping it or you just want a final word or whatever.

[Frank Drebin]

I think my job here is done. Tomorrow is Tuesdsay. You need to get up early.

[Kalyx triaD]

I do actually, thanks.

[Frank Drebin]

boop

[Skippord]

There's a difference between arguing and discussing and debating. Arguing, yeah, that can turn really ugly. But there's nothing wrong with debating and discussing something with someone who doesn't share your opinion. Talking with people who constantly agree is boring.
I agree with that on most things, but it seems weird to debate a movie, seems like something where nothing will change the other person's opinion and it'll turn into an argument

[Reavant]

Bruce wayne was dead at the end of the dark knight rises.... nolan did a dream sequence... *puts my hands up in a fighting stance to defend from angry punches*

[DaveBrawl]

Can nerd rage overcome actual training and ability? I guess we will soon find out.

[Damian Rey]

I agree with that on most things, but it seems weird to debate a movie, seems like something where nothing will change the other person's opinion and it'll turn into an argument

I guess "debate" is too strong a word. Discuss is closer to what I'm getting at. There's nothing wrong with discussing something you reacted positively to with someone who had the opposite reaction.

[Kalyx triaD]

Unless you just don't feel like it?

[Damian Rey]

Obviously. Your situation was a little different. A take was written, you responded, person didn't like said response, then you were prompted, then things went to shit. Not exactly how I would imagine a decent discussion jumping off.

[Lock Jaw]

All of this arguing is just making me like the movie less, despite having nothing to do with the movie.

[Frank Drebin]

Pfffttt. Probably because you were never interested enough to begin with.

[Kalyx triaD]

ikr

[Frank Drebin]

yeah, he probably hasn't even heard of Captain Koala. Pfffttt.

[Disturbed316]

Saw this last night and rather enjoyed it, not sure if it's the best Superman film, but certainly one of the better ones.