Man of Steel (June 14, 2013)

[Kalyx triaD]

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“In the pantheon of superheroes, Superman is the most recognized and revered character of all time. Clark Kent/Kal-El (Cavill) is a young twentysomething journalist who feels alienated by powers beyond anyone’s imagination. Transported to Earth years ago from Krypton, an advanced alien planet, Clark struggles with the ultimate question – Why am I here? Shaped by the values of his adoptive parents Martha (Lane) and Jonathan Kent (Costner), Clark soon discovers that having super abilities means making very difficult decisions. But when the world needs stability the most, it comes under attack. Will his abilities be used to maintain peace or ultimately used to divide and conquer? Clark must become the hero known as “Superman,” not only to shine as the world’s last beacon of hope but to protect the ones he loves.”

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[Nowhere Man]

If the trailer is any indication, then this is going to be fucking incredible. I've been wanting them to do a full-on epic with Superman for a long time now, and it looks like they're pulling out all the stops with this.

[Krimzon7]

The stops are pulled. I would love to see how this and the DK trilogy can ultimately lead to a Justice League Movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's funny how people say Nolan's just wouldn't fit in a shared world, and this movie would fit just fine. There was time when I fantasied Brandon Routh and Christian Bale on screen together, but this is so much more fitting. The DK trilogy and what they're doing here fits just fine - by virtue of Nolan having a hand in it.

Ignoring the Green Lantern movie, this could be a very different Cinematic Universe from Marvel, justifying it alongside the MCU. WB/DC just needs to 'go for it'.

And if I may be so bold, CW's Arrow has a sense of groundness and grit as well. Even with it's CW melodrama, I can see that Oliver Queen with the big boys. You can ignore the show's canon if need be. Amazon, the Wonder Woman project, may have those chops if done right.

I think they have something here.

[Krimzon7]

I try to ignore all of the cheesiness of the melodrama that is mandatory of the CW. When I"m able to do that, I'm completely enamored with Arrow. This 'universe' that Nolan has indirectly created is amazing.

What if he is just swerving us with the whole 'Leaving The Dark Knight' scthick and this has been the entire plan all along? I'm going full on erect cock fanboy right now, but what if Bale has left JGL to be 'Gotham's Batman' while Bale has taken the time to branch out to build the Watchtower/lay the groundwork for a Justice League?

[DaveBrawl]

I try to ignore all of the cheesiness of the melodrama that is mandatory of the CW. When I"m able to do that, I'm completely enamored with Arrow. This 'universe' that Nolan has indirectly created is amazing.

What if he is just swerving us with the whole 'Leaving The Dark Knight' scthick and this has been the entire plan all along? I'm going full on erect cock fanboy right now, but what if Bale has left JGL to be 'Gotham's Batman' while Bale has taken the time to branch out to build the Watchtower/lay the groundwork for a Justice League?

The thought of something like Brainiac/Darkseid/whoever being the reason for a JL movie and along the lines killing off "Robin" thus bringing Wayne out of retirement to avenge him makes my skin tingle.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

To say I usually find Superman rather boring, I kinda want to see it after watching the trailer.

[Krimzon7]

There are two types of people who will watch this movie.

1. Superman fans who want to see their favorite hero done properly

2. What was the question?

[Kalyx triaD]

What if he is just swerving us with the whole 'Leaving The Dark Knight' scthick and this has been the entire plan all along? I'm going full on erect cock fanboy right now, but what if Bale has left JGL to be 'Gotham's Batman' while Bale has taken the time to branch out to build the Watchtower/lay the groundwork for a Justice League?

He'd have to have a reason for that, and it's likely he'd be the first superhero of this universe (the DK trilogy taking place slightly before Clark suits up, also quelling the eventual 'why didn't Superman save Gotham' criticism).

If/When Bruce finds out about Superman, and perhaps this archer vigilante in Starling City, then a really, really, tough lady from some strange island - gears will start to turn in his head.

I just don't think Darksied should be the one who forces them to group up, too epic and too early. I'd give that to Luthor.

[Kalyx triaD]

Looking at potential teammates; they all could have legit beef with Luthor: Superman first and foremost for obvious legacy reasons. Bruce may not like Luthor for his shady activities creeping into Gotham. Oliver may actually find Luthor's name in the back of his father's hitlist book thing. Diana hates men.

[Krimzon7]

well Bruce spent years travelling the world, hes had numerous adventures. as aware as he is, im sure he will have a front row seat for the coming events. I wouldn't want Darkseid or Luthor to be the ultimate enemy...that's too easy. I want Vandal Savage, and the legion of doom to be the reason that a Justice League is formed.

[Krimzon7]

Looking at potential teammates; they all could have legit beef with Luthor: Superman first and foremost for obvious legacy reasons. Bruce may not like Luthor for his shady activities creeping into Gotham. Oliver may actually find Luthor's name in the back of his father's hitlist book thing. Diana hates men.

this is goooood....

[Kalyx triaD]

If I ever get to see a JL movie and an Avengers movie back to back in my lifetime I will completely and utterly lose my shit. Then I have Bane's permission to die.

[Kalyx triaD]

And a JLA/Avengers epic movie crossover kill yourselves your life has been fulfilled event? Jesus.

[Blitz]

"What was I supposed to do, just let him die?"
"...maybe."

Yeah, I'm down.

[slik]

Looks fantastic.

[XCaliber]

Looks promising but I still can't see him in the same universe as Nolan's Batman sure they've attempted to humanize Clark to make him more relateable but he's still pratically invincible and still alien.

[Kalyx triaD]

His attributes don't detach him from Nolan's movies; I'd argue they make Clark especially 'super'... which is a point we have all taken for granted honestly.

While the tone of this film does fit in tone, we still want Clark to be the monkey wrench in this world of plausibility. Bullets bounce off of him. He can fly. Start asking questions. Start freaking out. He's a 'Super'-man.

That's the payoff of such a shared universe, something I argued for since before Marvel did the Avengers thing.

[Lock Jaw]

I cannot wait. Still not 100% sold on the costume, but everything else looks pretty great. Some nice "human" moments, and it looks like plenty of action too.

Only thing that concerns me is Jonathan Kent. Hope he isn't just a voice of negativity. Saying Clark maybe shoulda let the kid die, and then the VO saying how his father said he wouldn't be accepted....

I want Pa Kent to be supportive. Doesn't need to supportive right away, but eventually. Certainly has to impart on Clark some of the values that make him the man he is.

[Jamesdawn]

SuperMan is my favorite Super Hero its really interested to see him again. I am waiting for the new movie.

[Nowhere Man]

I still really hate the no-trunks look, but honestly, it doesn't look that bad in motion.

[Lock Jaw]

I am more bothered by the scales than the no-trunks. (Though obviously I would have liked trunks as well)

[Krimzon7]

I'm honestly gonna wait to see the look on screen. I hated batman's velvet cape more than the fact that he had no trunks. Trunks over tights looks gay in 2012

[Damian Rey]

This looks like it's going to be pretty stellar. This is coming from someone who is not a Superman guy.

In relation to JLA, didn't Snyder say early on that this film wasn't a part of that? If out is, which its fine, they need to treat this film as a jumping off point to reintroducing characters. New Batman, new Lantern, Wonder Woman, etc.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well that seems to be the idea, but if they used Nolan's universe it wouldn't be so out of place.

[Damian Rey]

I think it would be. Nolan has said so himself. There are no super heroes in that particular world. I think a gritty, hyper realistic take could work, just not the trilogy. I also, perhaps selfishly, want the DK trilogy to stand alone as its own entity, because I view out as the defining Batman saga of my life.

But back to MOS. Love the school bus scene and what it will likely represent. I think Pa Kent will be inspiring to Clark, just not in the "use your powers for good" way. Maybe in a more "it's the man, not what he can do, that counts" way.

[Kalyx triaD]

He also said no Robin.

[Schlomey]

Just watched the trailer and this is what I thought:

1. The production team is awesome
2. Wish this wasn't yet another origins story. Everyone knows Superman, ffs.
3. Looks pretty goood.



Riveting stuff.

[JimmyMess]

As epic as this looks.... part of me just wants to hear the faint sound of the William's score.... that is my little thing to poke at.... but in the end not very important.

BRING ON THE MAN OF STEEL!

[Krimzon7]

For whatever reason, this doesn't bother me. I mean Batman lost his trunks and people dont bitch. The dude flies. He would need something more comfortable than undies outside of tights.

http://houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/man-of-steel-poster-fan.jpg

[Krimzon7]

http://manofsteel.warnerbros.com/images/photos/1.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

To be extremely nerdy, Superman and Batman never actually wore undies outside of tights, they were segmented portions of a full body suit. As an example, one could simply 'paint on' trunks on either Batman or Superman's movie attires. I also don't think it would make flying easier for a Kryptonian,

Only problem I have with the suit is the belt area. The yellow/gold should be more prominent. If the belt has to look like that, change the yellow portions in the symbol to blue to inform a hierarchy of his colors (blue, red, then some yellow). I do agree that the most important color on Supes is blue (body), followed by red (his cape), and yellow can remain a smaller detail.

[Ruien]

Looks amazing. Costume changes are fine to fit in with the modern day look.

[Lock Jaw]

I think the Smallville costume is pretty "acceptable" if you really absolutely want to unnecessarily update the costume.

http://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/welling-as-superman-by-perez.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120505212137/smallville/images/9/99/Smallville-season-11-3-faster-then-a-speeding-bullet.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah like that one.

[Krimzon7]

I concur with your sentiment LJ

[Sixx]

Why is Superman's biological father wearing a leather jacket and not spandex?

[Skippord]

For whatever reason, this doesn't bother me. I mean Batman lost his trunks and people dont bitch. The dude flies. He would need something more comfortable than undies outside of tights.

http://houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/man-of-steel-poster-fan.jpg
and check out that bulge

[Sixx]

They should give him a cameltoe.

[Kalyx triaD]

Why is Superman's biological father wearing a leather jacket and not spandex?

You mean Jor-El? Why would he wear spandex?

[Sixx]

You mean Jor-El? Why would he wear spandex?

I think I remember Brando wearing spandex as Jor-El?

I thought Jor-El's never really been to earth and would just be wearing some sort of a space costume or something.

[Kalyx triaD]

Marlon Jor-El didn't wear spandex. This Jor-El is not wearing jacket.

[Sixx]

Marlon Jor-El didn't wear spandex. This Jor-El is not wearing jacket.

Whatever it was, it was a space costume, not earth clothes.

And this definetely looks like a leather jacket.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well it isn't.

[Sixx]

What is it then?

[Damian Rey]

I personally like the new suit, sans the belt. It looks a bit out of place, but overall, new suit is cool with me. Maybe Jor-El is wearing a leather pancho. I see lots of aliens wearing those...

[Kalyx triaD]

What is it then?

Not a jacket.

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/russell-crowe-man-of-steel-set-image-3.jpg

[Sixx]

Shite, it looked like a jacket in the trailer.

I rest my case.

[Krimzon7]

wait, KT pwns you and you rest your case? Amazing.

[Miotch]

Looks like a jacket to me.

[JimmyMess]

Whatever it is, it looks like it comes off because he's got the same Superman suit underneath.

[Kalyx triaD]

I didn't notice that. Interesting.

[Sixx]

wait, KT pwns you and you rest your case? Amazing.

You call knowing more about superhero outfits "pwning"?

Alright.

[Kalyx triaD]

I think it's the part where instead of conceding the fact you seemingly challenged me on it, "If it's not a jacket then what is it," which I found strange - like you were invested in it being a jacket for some reason. And then you possibly used 'rest my case' incorrectly which may have seemed kinda pompous to others.

Just guessing here.

[JimmyMess]

And you can't have Russell Crowe in an action movie (superhero or other) without him fighting... so I see him having an early battle with Zod, with or without his heavy cloak cover.

[Kalyx triaD]

Maybe Superman's suit is some kind of under-suit for what Jor-El and Zod are seen wearing?

Multiple times DC has tried to liken the suit as some kind of Kryptonian armor, and they pretty put their foot down when the DCnU launched.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty sure they have never gone with it being Kryptonian armor except in the DCnU. Don't know where you're getting "multiple times" from.

They have made it multiple times to be an everyday garment from Krypton/Krypton style clothes. Never armor.

[Kalyx triaD]

Perhaps I'm interpreting it incorrectly then. My bad.

[Krimzon7]

I think it's the part where instead of conceding the fact you seemingly challenged me on it, "If it's not a jacket then what is it," which I found strange - like you were invested in it being a jacket for some reason. And then you possibly used 'rest my case' incorrectly which may have seemed kinda pompous to others.

Just guessing here.

This is accurate in my interpretation.

You call knowing more about superhero outfits "pwning"?

Alright.

This can be received as a strawman...but I'm not interested in flaming or starting shit here bro.

[Kalyx triaD]

"Why is modern Jor-El wearing a jacket, didn't past Jor-El wear spandex?"

"Modern Jor-El is not wearing a jacket. Past version didn't wear spandex either."

"Oh, okay."

Why can't things just be like this?

[Sixx]

Just to clarify, I apparently used "I rest my case" in a wrong way.

What I meant was something along the lines of "point taken". My mistake. It's just me not being a native English speaker I guess.

[Sixx]

I think it's the part where instead of conceding the fact you seemingly challenged me on it, "If it's not a jacket then what is it," which I found strange - like you were invested in it being a jacket for some reason. And then you possibly used 'rest my case' incorrectly which may have seemed kinda pompous to others.

Just guessing here.

Oh, yeah. This.

[JimmyMess]

Will Jor El ask the Kryptonian council "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"

[Krimzon7]

Just to clarify, I apparently used "I rest my case" in a wrong way.

What I meant was something along the lines of "point taken". My mistake. It's just me not being a native English speaker I guess.

no worries bro!

[YOUR Hero]

Will Jor El ask the Kryptonian council "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"
and throw a sword in their direction

[Kalyx triaD]

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[YOUR Hero]

thats pretty good

[Kalyx triaD]

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/01/man-of-steel-flying-mag1.jpeg

[Lock Jaw]

Boo costume

[Tommy Gunn]

Needs a belt or something, the cock pouch is too distracting.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/man-of-steel-henry-cavill-empire.jpg

Looking like a Superman here.

[Lock Jaw]

Nah. Trim those sideburns, you hippie.

[Triple Naitch]

http://wiffle.reinovate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/03334-010-0110005-02497.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Kneel Before Zod:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ea2c6v5sq97jpg/original.jpg

Faora (Who by leaked accounts, kicks Superman's ass hardcore):

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ea2c6v4ztdojpg/original.jpg

Jor-El:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ea2c6v32ie3jpg/original.jpg

[JimmyMess]

Kneel Before Zod:

Jor-El:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ea2c6v32ie3jpg/original.jpg

And Kris Kristofferson as Jor El

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/MOSnotext_02.jpg

[VSG]

#SupermanlookslikeCena

[Juan]

No red trunks on Superman? Fuck this movie

[Lock Jaw]

No red trunks on Superman? Fuck this movie

:y:

[Lock Jaw]

http://blog.newsarama.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/superman-tide.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Get over that, kids.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Wouldn't care if he was just wearing civilian clothes in this one, actually. Superman doesn't even really need a costume to be recognized as that flying around guy who can't be killed by guns or explosions.

[Kalyx triaD]

Take it you dug the Action Comics relaunch. And pre-52 Superboy.

[Lock Jaw]

Get over that, kids.

Even if the movie is amazing...... No.

[Blitz]

Get over that, kids.
It's not a superhero movie until fanboys are bitching about minor aesthetic changes.

[Juan]

For the record, I was mostly kidding.

[Kalyx triaD]

Zod is not.

[Nowhere Man]

Although I don't like the new costume, the movie itself looks quite good, so it doesn't really bother me.

[Krimzon7]

I kinda like the uniform. It looks more 'alien' than some briefs over spandex with a yellow belt.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Kalyx triaD]

I totally forgot to post that this weekend.

[VSG]

Nice!

[Skippord]

loved that

[Damian Rey]

That was awesome.

Read the Superman article in Entertainment Weekly, and thought I'd share for those who haven't seen it.

The article shed quite a bit of light on the suit. Snyder claims to have attempted to design the new suit with briefs, but said it just didn't look right, and it got scrapped. It was also stated that the suit is actually an under garment for Kryptonian warriors, with armor plates sitting over it, which makes sense considering what Zod and company are wearing, as well as Jor-El. Superman is not equipped with the armor.

Speaking of Supes, his origin is said to be kept in tact. It was said that the backstory for his Krypton escape is he was born naturally, whereas the children on Krypton are genetically engineered, and are predesignated upon creation to either be a scientist or warrior. Clark is technically the physical manifestation of an illegal act.

There was also some talk of how they stripped him down to try and humanize him to
make the audience feel for who he really is and what he's going to endure throughout the film, such as being told not to reveal his powers, but doing so in dire situations, as well as well as being incredibly conflicted when it comes time to sack up and suit up. It was said that the character only seriously considers becoming Superman when the world is under a legitimate global threat.

They ended the article with teasing of possible hints towards a bigger universe where other heroes could exist, and, despite calling Nolan's Batman trilogy a stand alone, hinted it could be extended into this new universe, though I think they're just stirring the pot.

So, I'm legitimately excited for this film. I am not a big Superman fan. But the movie looks like it could be a legitimate epic and a huge bounce back for Superman in the same way that Begins was for Batman. Hoping it blows Iron Man 3 out of the water.

[Kalyx triaD]

Somebody in this thread made a good call that Superman's suit is an undersuit of some kind when he noticed Jor-El wearing something similar.

[Lock Jaw]

So basically he is still running around in his undergarments.

[Kalyx triaD]

In a sense yeah.

[Lock Jaw]

I hope there is a scene where he actually has the choice to wear an armored costume, but then is just all "I'm Superman. What the hell do I need to wear armor for?"

[Kalyx triaD]

I imagine Kryptonian armor is even tougher than our metal to perhaps Zod and Faora are in fact better protected than he is.

[Kalyx triaD]

Amusing that not only is Clark the ultimate illegal alien on Earth, he'd be illegal on his home planet anyway. Talk about a bad hand in life.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't know if this rumour has been discussed... but I read somewhere a few weeks ago a rumor that...

Lex Luthor is in fact in the movie, and he is played by Mackenzie Grey, who played a clone of Lex Luthor on Smallville:

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[Kalyx triaD]

I dunno, first I heard of it.

[Lock Jaw]

Here is the article I read: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61713

[Kalyx triaD]

Seems way too on the nose for Nolan, Snyder, and Goyer to attempt.

[Fignuts]

Really really like the way the story is shaping up.

I'm generally not the biggest fan of supes, but I enjoy his comics when they are well written, ala All-Star Superman, and that Brainiac arc shortly before the new krypton story.

[JimmyMess]

Somebody in this thread made a good call that Superman's suit is an undersuit of some kind when he noticed Jor-El wearing something similar.

that was MOI! lol

Alien undergarments are still way more badass than human ones....

[Nowhere Man]

So after all those decades about people making fun of Superman for those trunks looking like he's wearing his underwear on the outside, it turns out that it was actually the rest of the costume that's his underwear.

Mind = blown.

[Kalyx triaD]

It always had a pajama quality to it.

[Damian Rey]

Really like all the little things I'm reading on both the suit and Clark's story. This is going to be amazing.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's a really nice spin on the Krypton thing which should make things interesting going forward as a series.

[Kalyx triaD]

Gentlemen...

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[Kane Knight]

y u no play utoob

[Kalyx triaD]

It still plays for me.

[Miotch]

Me as well.

Fucking looks great.

[Kane Knight]

It still plays for me.

A fuckton of people have been having intermittent issues with Youtube, and I'm one of them.

It's actually possible it's ISP-related, because I've noticed a fuckton of these people are on Comcast.

Still, I recognise not everyone's having the problem.

Fucked up, though, because I can still load Blip videos, or Comedy Central, or...Well, everything that's not Youtube.

[JimmyMess]

AMAZING! I came!

[Kalyx triaD]

Surely there's other sources. Man of Steel's Facebook page has the vid.

[Nowhere Man]

Holy fucking crap, that looks good.

[Krimzon7]

Jesus Christ, this looks amazing

[Lock Jaw]

Sweeeet

[Kane Knight]

Surely there's other sources. Man of Steel's Facebook page has the vid.

He unfriended me after I came out against Kryptonite control.

...but I found another source, yes, and holy sheeeeeet.

[Blitz]

The trailers for this film have been beyond reproach.

[YOUR Hero]

good stuff. I hope it delivers
http://www.tpww.net/forums/image.php?u=20&dateline=1092235732 (http://www.tpww.net/forums/member.php?u=20)

[Innovator]

Ok, I want to see the movie now please.

[VSG]

Ok now I am excited enough to go for the first day/weekend show.

[Lock Jaw]

good stuff. I hope it delivers
http://www.tpww.net/forums/image.php?u=20&dateline=1092235732 (http://www.tpww.net/forums/member.php?u=20)

Electric Superman for the sequel. :shifty:

[XCaliber]

Now I'm convinced this movie will be really super pun intented.

[Rammsteinmad]

He looks like Wolverine in all those topless/bearded shots.

[Lock Jaw]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/04/17/the-75-greatest-superman-stories-of-all-time-75-26/

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/04/18/the-75-greatest-superman-stories-of-all-time-25-1/

I don't necessarily agree with the list, but good reference for people who want to read more Superman stuff.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/manofsteel-finalposter.jpg

[DaveBrawl]

Yes please.

[Nowhere Man]

Kneel before Zod, motherfuckers.

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[Kalyx triaD]

Jesus.

[alvarado52]

Very nice.

[DaveBrawl]

I love Batman and Green Lantern, but nothing gets me as pumped up during one of these movies like when the music hits and Superman just hulks up on someone. Even in Superman Returns when he's almost dead and lifts that mountain. That made that entire movie worthwhile.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah, love seeing the boyscout beat somebody's ass. Need I remind all of JLU's The Speech?

[Lock Jaw]

Looks like Zod isn't from the Phantom Zone in this... and that he has quite the army. Possibly means that a whole slew of Kryptonians survived the planet blowing up.

[Skippord]

I'm not a Superman fan but I haven't been this excited for a movie(that doesn't have Batman) in a long time.

[Raven Reaper]

I've yet to see these 2 sidekicks of Zod make a return namely Ursa:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfsVRUjoWDUM1cT2RsJs8IEtMP05ONpi-bh-GPviweKBAE8MVUhg

And Non!!!

http://www.christopherreeve.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/superman-ii-general-zod-ursa-non/non.jpg

[Nowhere Man]

That's because they're not actually from the comics-- Ursa and Non were just made up for the Christopher Reeve movies.

Zod does have a female lieutenant, though, who's in the movie: Faora, who Ursa was loosely based on.

[Kalyx triaD]

About Krypton:

There's a good chance the planet is not destroyed yet in this new universe. This could be compelling, but it is just a rumor.

[Nowhere Man]

That....that really bothers me if it's true.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just brace yourself and be open to change. Everything we seen looks great so far.

[Krimzon7]

Kneel before Zod, motherfuckers.

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Christ almighty.

[Krimzon7]

The version of Superman that Tim Burton/Nick Cage were tied to toyed with the ideas that are coming to light in this movie...Superman being exiled because he is a love child/born naturally/fulfilling some prophecy therefore being exiled by his parents to conceal his exsistance. and the fact that Krypton isn't destroyed, but it either a military type of planet, or a planet run by criminals. in either of these scenarios, superman comes in somewhat as a savior to help return krypton to it's glory. I present this awesome video talking about zod, non and ursa, their role in Supes life and the treatments that I've spoken about.



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[VSG]

I don't mind that personally but dunno if the wide audience would be ok with it.

[JimmyMess]

Those booming first musical notes sound familiar...

[Kalyx triaD]

I noticed that too. Like, the exact same note in the exact same way.

[Lock Jaw]

About Krypton:

There's a good chance the planet is not destroyed yet in this new universe. This could be compelling, but it is just a rumor.

Watching that new trailer, that thought did pop into my head because I was like "Whoa, it looks like a LOT of Kryptonians, and their tech, survives". Not sure how well I will like that.

[Lock Jaw]

I noticed that too. Like, the exact same note in the exact same way.

What about 'em?

[JimmyMess]

What about 'em?

They sound very much like the music from the old Superman movies.... not sure which one, or if it was in all of them... but it plays when the antagonists are present.

[Kalyx triaD]

The Krypton theme, I believe. Let me check now...

Actually, and quite simply, the first note of John Williams' Superman theme (0:59 of the trailer). Then it dips into Hanz territory.

[JimmyMess]

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Just the first few notes of this scene....

[Kane Knight]

The Krypton theme, I believe. Let me check now...

Actually, and quite simply, the first note of John Williams' Superman theme (0:59 of the trailer). Then it dips into Hanz territory.

Any Superman video/movie/game that doesn't pay homage to that theme in some way is pretty much doing it wrong.

It's also way better than the trend of associating all things bad with that single blasted bass note that's almost always (I think) a G. That's just fucking lazy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Suppose we should have known Hanz would throw in a bone. I listened to the sampler on Sound Cloud and while the over sound seems 'dark' as per his style, it's far more hopeful than his Batman stuff.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ya know... while the movie gets some flak... I am a closet fan of Nuclear Man. He seemed to badass to me. Like Skelator he was a villain I was interested in as a kid.

[Lock Jaw]

He seemed cool. As I said a few posts ago, I would like a Superman IV Director's Cut.

[JimmyMess]

He seemed cool. As I said a few posts ago, I would like a Superman IV Director's Cut.

one where they hopefully remove the strings you can see holding the guys up

[Lock Jaw]

I think they already did that much. I watched a rip of the Blu-Ray version and I did not notice the strings. I did notice it was pretty badly done, though. Flying looked much better in the previous films.

[Blitz]

Got tickets for the first Thursday Imax show, excited.

[Innovator]

13 minutes of behind the scene goodness:

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[Kalyx triaD]

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Jesus.

[Nowhere Man]

I've gotta slow down on watching all these trailers and tv spots. I'm pretty sure I'm spoiling the movie for me. Which is going to be even worse if it turns out the movie is a disappointment.

Still....HOLY SHIT THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME.

[Lock Jaw]

I've already stopped watching new trailers and tv spots

[Kalyx triaD]

New Clip:

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Don't threaten Superman's mother.

[Krimzon7]

Holy fuck at these last two clips

[Raven Reaper]

Looks like I'm 2 days ahead of you cos Philippine premiere of it is TOMORROW and it's also my country's independence day! How appropriate. Whoopdeedoo.

[Shisen Kopf]

USA owns the Phillipines b/c we're #1

[Blitz]

It is a very well done, though at times strange, film. Snyder was the right director. He gives the actions scenes real heft.

Performance wise, Cavill is a fine Clark. No matter how you play him, Supes is a bit of a boring character, but he does what he can. I didn't really feel like we got very deep into Clark's mind, but that's the script's fault, not Cavill. Clark at times feels like something of a cipher. Without saying too much, the transition from the origin portions to Clark as Superman felt somewhat jarring and abrupt. Amy Adams is also fine, but she's given very little to do, and I didn't really buy the connection between her and Clark. Michael Shannon gives the strongest performance. Zod is really well done, and Shannonn invests him with a lot of emotion, to the point where you can sort of see where he's coming from. Faora is great as well, especially in the actions scenes.

The best thing about the film is its tone. "Majestic" and "sublime" were the two words that kept coming to me. I don't know how many have seen Terrance Malick's Tree of Life, but this film at times feels almost like the superhero version of that. The cinematography, sound design, and score are amazing. It has a real sense of scale and stakes. At the end of The Avengers, a large portion of New York is destroyed, but I didn't care at all. Here, the destruction is felt on the scale it deserves. Again, that's a tribute to Snyder's prowess with action and effects.

It is somber. Some of the moments feel disjointed, some don't work at all. But it's a different kind of film, and if this is the start of a move towards the Justice League, DC is building a different world than Marvel. Possibly a more interesting one.

8.5/10

PS: Nothing after the credits.

[Nowhere Man]

Just got back from the midnight premiere. I'm going to have to see it a second time so I can review it more objectively without the bias of being an intolerable Superman fanboy.

However, I will say that with the bias of being an intolerable Superman fanboy.......HOLY FUCKING SHIT I FUCKING LOVED THIS MOVIE.

Expect a full review when I've had some sleep and a second viewing.

[Kalyx triaD]

oh god I am ready

[VSG]

My body is ready. Tonight!

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

Meh.

I liked the first 10/15 mins when its focused on Krypton. I think if they had made a film about the fall of Krypton and Zod's rebellion, it would have been great.

While the film has a lot of action in the later stages, full of over-the-top-destruction, etc; and the visuals are stunning, I found it rather empty.

[Innovator]

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/man-of-blue-steel.jpg

[Big Vic]

I hate super man sooo much. Worst hero ever.

[Nowhere Man]

Literally nobody cares, Vic.

Anyway, got my full review up here. Dig it. (http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2013/06/movie-review-man-of-steel.html)

[Kalyx triaD]

Gonna watch it first before I read. Not for fear of spoiler, but to follow your points better.

[The Destroyer]

Think I'll probably go see it tomorrow.

[Krimzon7]

My mind was blown. The first 1/3 of the movie had me feeling like id be instore for some hefty fucking action and fun. Boy was I right. The villians were GREAT. I need to see a worlds finest movie now.

[VSG]

Fuck the critics, I loved it!

[The Destroyer]

I enjoyed it. It wasn't perfect, but I'm not seeing the critical hate for it.

Cavill was a great Superman, but I guess we'll need to wait until the next film to get a real chance to see if he's a great Clark Kent as well (as in the public persona). Pretty good cast in general really.

[Damian Rey]

My review c&p'd from the movie thread.

Man of Steele-5/10

Immensely disappointing. Wasn't anywhere near the film it could have been.

Story was way too rushed. They spent time marketing this as a film that would delve into Clark's emotions as an outcast and someone who, despite being an extraordinary being, was held back to being ordinary by a cautious father who was both scared of what the world would do if they knew his son's true capabilities, but was hopeful that whatever Clark was, wherever he came from, he was there to be something important.

Instead, we only get glimpses of what was an excellent yet short lived performances from Costner going over what essentially amounts to bullet points in Clark's past. These scenes are, far and away more interesting than any other in the entire film. And they are, unfortunately, glossed over as flash backs. They are also the most development Clark gets in the entire film. Adult Clark, unlike, say adult Bruce Wayne, goes through no transition character wise.

For a few scenes, with little dialogue, we see what Clark is up to, then, randomly, he stumbles onto hearing the location of some ship, which ends of being the Fortress of Solitude. He, rather flatly, is told of who he really is, where he came from, and is randomly given the suit and cape from his father's ghost, and bam, he's all of sudden flying around in costume. Literally no build up, whatsoever. It's just "Hey, I infiltrated this Kyptonian space craft the military found, found out who I was, and now I'm geared up, ready to accept my destiny".

Zod could have been a great villian, but he's squandered to not enough dialogue scenes exploring his character and is an otherwise forgettable punching bag for Superman. There's a line before the final bang zoom fight scene that Zod states, and it sums up his character beautifully. Unfortunately, prior to that line, he's not given much time to expand on his feelings and justifications.

And while still on Zod, why in God's name would he be banished to the Phantom Zone when A) everyone including the Council knew Krypton was going to blow, which would B) free Zod and his minions upon doing so. Just poor writing there.

Lois Lane wasn't bad, but again, another character who wasn't given enough time and was seemingly thrust into being in love with Superman for the sake of it. The two characters didn't share much pre disaster screen time for this to work properly.

And man, did the action drag on way to long. It was so over the top and ridiculous that, honestly, it took me out of the film. I was not interested in any of these fights, especially because Clark could legitimately hold his own with these genetically created warriors. Faora and Zod both mention they were created for this sole purpose, yet Supes, with zero formal training at all, hangs with and ultimately defeats them.

Ultimately, just a huge let down here. It felt like Zach Snyder couldn't get away from rushing into the loud madness of the action scenes, and short changed the most interesting aspect of the film. Meh.

To add onto this, I was just really underwhelmed with the whole thing. I don't think this is a bad movie. But it's not a good movie, either. It's, at the end of the day, a mediocre film. I cannot see this film, in, 8 years, being looked at like Batman Begins or Iron Man as films that, in different ways as different films, were so good and well done that they reinvigorated the character, emotionally and as a tangible person. This film doesn't do this. Destroyer made a few points that I, per the review, completely agree with. Also, I agree with El Vaquero that that the fall of Krypton opening was really well done. It just got really choppy, clunky, and eventually rushed from there.

One more gripe before I go...

Before Superman breaks Zod's neck, Zod is using heat vision to corner civilians in a museum, and tells Clark a line that starts "If you really love these people...", which, given the story's insistence that Clark was a reject, that he was bullied and not allowed to stand up for himself, that he was held back from being who he really was in fear of worldly rejection, would lead you to ask, why would he love those people? What have they showed him, at any time in his life, to merit his unconditional trust?

Yes, there's the scene where the priest tells him the leap of faith comes first, then trust. But after that brief talk, there's absolutely no play on being conflicted and not trusting. Another angle, imo, that was wasted here.

[McLegend]

I saw it tonight, and it might be the most action packed movie I have ever seen. It was a fast 2 and a half hour movie.

I liked it, but didn't love it. Acting good and the action was good, and the special effects were great. It was missing something though.

[Kalyx triaD]

Loved this. Review later. Loved this.

[Optimus Bone 69]

loved it didnt like what he did to Zod tho

[YOUR Hero]

I enjoyed it. Zod's character was very well done. I'd recommend it.

[JimmyMess]

Pretty EPIC!

[Lock Jaw]

With the bias of being a huge Superman fanboy.... I say.... Ehhhhhhh. That is my first impression anyways.

I found myself not minding the costume, I liked most of the action sequences, but everything else feels like it could have been done a lot better. They were really trying, but they didn't quite get there.

I will have to meditate on this more.

[McLegend]

I thought the costume looked really good actually. Also I really liked how the cape moved in the wind to in some scenes.

I feel like there was always cape blowing missing in other superhero movies with capes.

[Reavant]

loved it

[Lock Jaw]

I have high hopes for the sequel. I feel like now that they have gotten the "introduction" out of the way, great things could be done.

[Skippord]

I just saw it and very much enjoyed it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Actors should really start their Lex Luthor campaigns right about now. He's gonna be a key casting.

Any dream casting, guys?

[VSG]

The correct answer is Ben Kingsley. Oh it's on, Marvel!

[Kalyx triaD]

Making Mercy the real big bad of the film.

[Blitz]

Saw someone mention in a review of this that Chris Meloni could've been a perfect Lex, and yes, he would be. Too late now though.

[VSG]

Making Mercy the real big bad of the film.

:lol:

[Blitz]

Gina Carano as Mercy.

[McLegend]

About casting a total unknown for Lex Luthor for once.

[Kalyx triaD]

Meet in the middle, a rising TV actor perhaps.

[McLegend]

Brandon Routh... Big twist casting

[McLegend]

Seriously though I don't know at this point in time.

[McLegend]

If you go big star I say...

Matt Damon

Still thinking of the young rising TV star.

[Kalyx triaD]

Is it cheating to have Shannon come back to play Luthor?

And Brainiac?

[Nowhere Man]

Michael Shannon will also play Superman and Lois Lane.

[XCaliber]

Actors should really start their Lex Luthor campaigns right about now. He's gonna be a key casting.

Any dream casting, guys?

I'd like to see Tom Hardy play this role even though he's Bane I think he could do a better job with this character.

[Kalyx triaD]

Him having played Bane shouldn't be a problem. Chris Evans was Johnny Storm and Captain America.

[Miotch]

Different continuity lines, though.

[Blitz]

Different continuity lines, though.
Same here, most likely.

[mitch_h]

I thought this was really bad. Stuff on Krypton was surprisingly enjoyable but after that it felt boring and endless. It was humorless and poorly structured, too much exposition, no chemistry between Adams and Supe. It kind of shallowly picks at different themes like Superman's inner conflicts, his relationship with mankind... religion and Americanism are sorta thrown in there too I guess, none of it comes together to really mean anything though. Whole thing felt pointless.

The action scenes were just as stupid and boring as everything else too. People frenetically crashing into: each other, skyscrapers, the IHOP, Sears. Then there are some sorta tentacles and lights and maybe some scenes from the Avengers, all of it tension-less, most of it dumb as hell (Zod galloping up the building was brutal)

I liked Costner and Russell Crowe.

[Miotch]

Same here, most likely.
Maybe, but it's the same studio, and I still have a hunch that the tone of both of these movies is going to cause them to become one timeline/universe. Even if they change up who plays Bruce, it could still be on the same path.

Now, if they brought in, say, Jim Carrey to play Luthor (terrible example, but just stay with me) I'd say there would be less of a continuity issue. Plus it's from something so recent. There was a pretty long gap in between the F4 films and Cap.

[mitchables]

nobody had an issue with superman snapping zod's neck?

[Kalyx triaD]

I would have had a bigger issue with Clark letting him incinerate a family. Zod had to be put down, he was beyond reason. And none of that "I don't have to save you" rationale, either. It was, at that moment, the best option. Any one of us would have done the same (and probably wouldn't have took as long to make that decision).

[Kalyx triaD]

And I'm not saying that as one of those asswipes who think Superman should have killed Luthor and whoever long ago and he's too 'good'. I totally get his Code, and how he operates, but I also fully agree with the point made in that scene of that movie of that universe.

And there's something compelling about the idea that when he meets Bruce (a recast or Bale), his hands would technically be dirtier than the Batman's.

[Lock Jaw]

nobody had an issue with superman snapping zod's neck?

I didn't have an issue with the act of it, just the way it was done.

I was just like...

DUDE. JUST FLY HIM OUT OF THERE AT SUPER SPEED. I would have liked to see Zod even more out of control. To the point where you really feel he had no other choice.

The actual act of killing Zod has precedent in the comics. I hope movie Supes goes crazy, develops multiple personality disorder, and exiles himself into space like he did in the comics after the deed.

Ok. Maybe not the multiple personality deal. I would be up for seeing him do some "soul searching" in space, leading perhaps to either a confrontation with Mongul and Warworld or Brainiac and Brainiac's Head Ship.

[mitchables]

I would have had a bigger issue with Clark letting him incinerate a family. Zod had to be put down, he was beyond reason. And none of that "I don't have to save you" rationale, either. It was, at that moment, the best option. Any one of us would have done the same (and probably wouldn't have took as long to make that decision).

clark shows zero concern or consideration for collateral damage throughout the entire film. for all we know, he does "let" zod kill a bunch of people, because he's too busy throwing punches and flying into stuff to worry about moving the fight out of a heavily populated area, for example. like mark waid said - he only ever seemed to give a shit about "people" in the most abstract sense possible. even routh used his powers to stop debris from killing innocent bystanders. cavill's superman seemed genuinely unconcerned about it. dunno.


although i do actually agree with you about the idea that it could be compelling to have a superman with dirtier hands than batman.


and you make a valid point in terms of "well, what else was he gonna do?" and i do acknowledge that they take pains to show that he at least regrets that that was his available course of action -- but i'd highly recommend having a look at waid's review, if only because it's incredibly poignant coming from someone who has helped shape contemporary superman mythology. to hear (or see) that man say that that moment "broke his heart"... you feel for him. you really do.

[mitchables]

Ok. Maybe not the multiple personality deal. I would be up for seeing him do some "soul searching" in space, leading perhaps to either a confrontation with Mongul and Warworld or Brainiac and Brainiac's Head Ship.[/spoiler]



this is the best argument i have seen for the potential of the fallout from the deed itself. that actually would be a fucking brilliant way to get him into some action with a villain that isn't fucking lex luthor or a kryptonian.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'll read his review. Birthright, as far as I'm concerned, is THE Superman origin story.

[RoXer]

Am I crazy or is this the best SOUNDING Superman?

I mean, Henry Cavill didn't have a whole lot of monologues in the movie, most of it seemed like only 2 or 3 lines followed by an action scene. But there were moments where he actually got to say more than a few sentences at a time and I think he nailed it. A couple scenes that stand out are the conversations he has with the US Army general. His voice was very... Superman-ish. I dunno, it's hard to describe but I think he did a fantastic job of actually sounding like how Superman should sound.

[RoXer]

And while we're talking about sound, the score was pretty phenomenal too.

[Kalyx triaD]

When he told people in Smallville to get inside because it would get dangerous, THAT was my 'yeah, he's Superman' moment.

[Damian Rey]

The score is excellent.

[Fignuts]

I want to marry Faora.

That is all.

[Skippord]

I want to marry Faora.

That is all.
I've never agreed with anything you've ever said more.

[Shisen Kopf]

8/10 it was a good movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

Faora was fucking hot. In fact, she should come back and be Wonder Woman. I don't care who it confuses.

[dronepool]

Still need to see this..

[Raven Reaper]

I want to marry Faora.

That is all.

She almost stole the whole spotlight from Zod of the 2nd act considering she's the one taking all the ass kicking on the military and Superman to the floor...

[Nowhere Man]

In regards to the whole "Superman doesn't care about the damage he's causing," keep in mind the guy he was fighting was just as strong, just as fast, is a better fighter, and was literally out to kill everyone. So if Supes peeled off from Zod in order to save the people in harm's way, Zod would have just taken the opportunity to slaughter thousands more. His only real option was to stay on the offense and keep Zod focused on the guy who could actually take the damage. It's likely the battle killed tens of thousands, and that's unthinkably tragic, but it's better than the millions that Zod would have killed if Superman was breaking off to save a few relative handfuls at a time instead of keeping the pressure on him.

Plus, it's his first time dealing with anyone even remotely as powerful as him. You can't expect him to fight like the decades-plus veteran that he is in the comics in his first time out.

Granted, the whole bit where he pauses in the middle of ground zero to have an awkward make-out with Lois was stupid and unnecessary.

[Crimson]

I'll put it in top 5 of superhero movies. Cavill has the look down , but I dunno if it was his acting or writing he just came off as kinda boring. Even when he was fighting Zod or anyone else his facial expressions were emotionless.

Shannon was really good. Can't wait for The Iceman movie to come out.

[DaveBrawl]

Really loved this movie. Maybe almost as much as the Batman movies.

[Heisenberg]

He was set for success the moment he found out both Kevin Costner and Russell Crowe(The Robin Hoods) were his fathers.

[XCaliber]

Saw this movie the other night and I thought it was freaking great I'm not sure why so many critics were tough on it heck i'd say it's one of the best comic based movies I've seen recently. Really Liked the fact the first act focused more on the sci-fi aspect and you believed Kal-El was from another planet trying to live amongst humans. My only gripe is that some of the flashbacks seemed a litte bit rushed but understandable given the run time and I didn't feel the final showdown was that drawn out personally. Felt the casting for this was great for the most part although I still prefer Terence Stamp as Zod but like many have stated already the gal that played Faora-Ul was tottally badass compared to Ursa. Now that I've seen this I can't help but wonder if this should have been the duo of Snyder and Goyer had been chosen to do the Green Lantern movie how much better it could have turned out which tbw I still haven't seen due to the high consensus of it's craptacularness guess there's always hope for a reboot.

[Kalyx triaD]

Green Lantern is really bad. Believe everything you heard about it.

[Fignuts]

Maybe it's because my expectations were so low, but I actually enjoyed Green Lantern. CGI suit still looks like shit when not in motion though.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, just had this pointed out to me... at least him killing Zod in this movie is treated like a "hard decision".

In Superman II he just casually tosses Zod into a bottomless pit of doom while smiling. Lois then casually murders Ursa.

[Big Vic]

I regret spending money on this.

[McLegend]

Also, just had this pointed out to me... at least him killing Zod in this movie is treated like a "hard decision".

In Superman II he just casually tosses Zod into a bottomless pit of doom while smiling. Lois then casually murders Ursa.

I agree with this, but playing devils advacote...

You don't actually see Zod die... So he could have still lived. The death in Man of steel is pretty brutal, and he's clearly dead. In Superman II what Superman did to Zod was pretty smart, and generally a better moment then what happened in Man of steel.

[Rammsteinmad]

Just got back. Loved it. Great acting by everyone, incredible action scenes... exactly the kinda destruction, chaos and violence a Superman movie needed. Kinda wished to see more of Clark as a kid coz stuff like that is interesting to watch, but overall this was a great movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

...Exactly the kinda destruction, chaos and violence a Superman movie needed.

Really, though?

[Lock Jaw]

Probably the part I disliked the most about this movie was Superman vs. the giant tentacles of that one robot. During that whole action sequence I was pretty much like "Ugggghhhhh I don't want to see this. When is he gonna fight Zod?! :'("

[Kalyx triaD]

Mini-bosses, man, mini-bosses. Gotta have them.

[Lock Jaw]

Lame one, though.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'd have given him a showdown with Faora but I guess her rival was the soldier dude.

A random thought; if he survived the kamikazi attack and got into the phantom zone I'm fairly certain he and Faora are screwing like bunnies right now.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, I found it funny (more amusing than funny) that they had the dude who played Emil Hamilton on Smallville in the same scene with the Emil Hamilton from the movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

ha

[Rammsteinmad]

Really, though?

Yeah. Superman and a whole bunch of Kryptonians beating the shit out of each other... what would you expect? I realize "violence" and "destruction" aren't really words you'd associate with Superman, but this is really what the francise needed to stand out from the other five films.

I mean, they even "went there" in Superman II, but with today's technology and CGI they were able to do more than smash a few windows.

Unless of course, you were expecting them to have a huge brawl out in an open field or something?

[Kalyx triaD]

Of course I always wanted a super-brawl to look like Neo vs Smith in Matrix 3, I just thought you meant a Superman movie needed that in general. I have no problem with the destruction, and when Doomsday or Darkseid makes their way into the MoS movie-verse, there will probably be more falling buildings than what we seen.

[Rammsteinmad]

Nah, a Superman movie, or a superhero movie in general, doesn't need that. But with super-beings as powerful as Kryptonians, well, this is Supe's 6th big screen endeavor, I was hoping it was time to really fuck shit up.

[loopydate]

Thought it was pretty good. Still probably only my third or fourth favorite summer movie this year. Cahill was very good and Michael Shannon was tremendous.

I felt like the movie ground to a screeching halt every time Costner came on screen. The twister scene in particular was painful. Just really badly written and Costner's "No, superhuman son who's fast enough to not even be noticed, stay there and let me, your adopted father, rescue the family dog from this oncoming tornado" gesture was one of the dumbest scenes in the whole film.

The Krypton stuff, on the other hand, was great. I've never really felt like it was a real place in previous incarnations, and Snyder knocked this out of the park. There was a real sense of impending dread, and Crowe and Shannon were very very good here.

Clark killing Zod SHOULD have felt like a bigger moment. And if he hadn't been directly responsible for about 40,000 other deaths over the previous 2.5 hours, I might have felt it more.

Overall, I'd say I enjoyed it, but it's still a far cry from any of Nolan's Batman or most of Marvel Studios' offerings. Which I guess is a little like saying "Lawrence of Arabia" was quite good, but it's no "Casablanca."

7/10