Bret Hart says that Triple H "isn't great" and that "he's never had a great match"

[Shadrick]

Wrestle Talk TV Extra recently interviewed Bret "The Hitman" Hart, who was critical of Triple H. Here is what Hart said about "The Game":

"I have a certain amount of respect for Triple H. I remember when he first came in, I remember commenting on stuff that he did. Because I'd usually give wrestlers my thoughts and try to help them on stuff... Triple H has always been a good wrestler. But great? What is he now, a 1,000 time world champion? How great really is he?

"I look at [CM] Punk... I can look at certain wrestlers and I go, this guy is an innovator. Like a Rey Mysterio, who's done stuff that no one has ever thought of before. Punk has done stuff -- really unique moves and you go, 'gee I've never seen anything like that before.' They innovate all the time, and they create new sequences and moves and things.

"Then you look at someone like Triple H. When I look at him -- he's always had a good look as far as his body went -- he always had a pretty muscular physique. But you look at someone like Hunter and you wonder, what has he really done. One move that he ever created that nobody ever saw before or some highspots or an idea for a match... He's mostly a guy that just showed up and they made him. He's always been a decent wrestler -- I would consider him a good wrestler and pretty talented. But great? I don't know, I don't think so.

"What has he ever done that's great? He's never had a great match, I don't think ever. Whenever I look at Triple H's matches, including the last one he had with Undertaker -- and I don't really mean it as a knock -- but I told myself before I watched it because I'm trying to like Paul now these days, that I want to see him do something to make me think he's got greatness in him.

"Before Triple H wrestled Undertaker last year, I remember watching it and going, 'I can picture the whole match in my head, I can tell you exactly what this match is going to be like and how it's going to go. And I remember watching it and it went exactly how I predicted it... I thought it was mediocre at best, maybe a 4 out of 10, or 3 out of 10.

"I think Paul is a little overrated... overrated for being great. I can sit here and tell you that there was one match that he ever had with anybody that I thought was great. It's kind of a shame, he should have a great match somewhere with somebody. And you'd think that he would have had it by now, but I don't think he's a great wrestler."

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Thoughts?

[CSL]

*WRESTLE TALK ALERT*

[Tazz Dan]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

LOL love it! ahahahahaha honestly, I don't think Bret is right, HHH has had some great matches, but at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks.

[CSL]

also, I love Bret and everything, I really do but I've never sat and watched a match of his in complete awe in the way I did for Triple H/Taker at Mania last year except maybe when he got fucked in Montreal and that certainly wasn't in the same context

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And before everyone starts whining... YES BRET SOUNDS BITTER. Get the fuck over it! It's who he is!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

also, I love Bret and everything, I really do but I've never sat and watched a match of his in complete awe in the way I did for Triple H/Taker at Mania last year except maybe when he got fucked in Montreal and that certainly wasn't in the same context

I'm sorry but any Bret vs Austin match eclipses almost everything in WWE history.

[CSL]

I didn't actually think of WM13 in the 6 seconds I spent thinking of Bret matches. That said, outside of that shot of Austin and what it did for his career, I still think I prefer the cell match

[The Condor]

I agree and respect his opinion and courage in saying this. Triple H's lack of in-ring greatness paired with his IMO drab character led me to almost cut wrestling out completely for about 6-7 years. Sure Im not a HHH fan and this backs up my already solidified opinion but that Bret says this is pretty honest and intriguing. More interested in why he would say this and proceed to elaborate in such a detailed manner more than anything.

[CSL]

Bret also thinks Flair wasn't very good. I'd guess because of how "technically efficient" he was, anybody that wasn't on the same level as him is simply no good. Trips and Flair might not be the best "wrestlers" under that definition but they're fucking great sports entertainers. Toeholds, wristlocks and chain wrestling don't sell PPV's and t-shirts.

[Cool King]

James Steele is going to hit the roof.

[Juan]

Well, I've never looked at HHH as "one of the greats" so I guess I agree with Bret on that.

[Mooияakeя™]

Fuck me. James Steele is gonna go hunt down Da Hitman for this.

[drave]

I thought the cell match was the match of the year, for me anyway. Bret had his moments too, but one of the first (if not THE first) thing that comes to mind when I think Bret Hart is Montreal, not an actual match.

And Bret v Austin was ALWAYS worth seeing. Outside of that, I never truly found him "great" in the same light he views HHH.


Hearing all this kinda makes me wonder: If HHH hadn't disappeared for so long with the torn quad, would he have been as big as he was? What I mean is that his return was one of the BIGGEST returns during that era, established lotsa hype and kinda renewed his character. Without that, would people have stuck around for him as long as they did?

[James Steele]

cant...stop...shaking...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bret also thinks Flair wasn't very good. I'd guess because of how "technically efficient" he was, anybody that wasn't on the same level as him is simply no good. Trips and Flair might not be the best "wrestlers" under that definition but they're fucking great sports entertainers. Toeholds, wristlocks and chain wrestling don't sell PPV's and t-shirts.

Bret has other reasons for not liking Flair, he is obviously biased in that regard. Bret is kind of like the crotchety uncle/grandpa type. There is wisdom in his words but sometimes you need to sift through what he says and think of the context of it all.

[CSL]

Bret needs to subscribe to "The Kevin Nash Outlook" on life

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bret vs Owen at WM10 is also epic. Bret had a lot of fucking amazing matches. Him and HHH are two completely different performers.

Bret is a meat and potatoes type worker and HHH likes a lot more smoke and mirrors, but when it comes down to it HHH can work... just a different way to Bret. Honestly though if you put Bret in HHH's position to work some of the matches HHH got to work it'd be interesting to see what he did. Namely the 2000 streetfight with Cactus Jack.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

But as cliche as it is to say, as well as a lame pun, Bret is a heart and soul type of guy... which is why emotions get the better of him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bret needs to subscribe to "The Kevin Nash Outlook" on life

Make money, get drunk, and talk hilarious shit.

[James Steele]

Formulating my words as I calm down before I start unleashing every negative feeling I've ever felt in my life.

[teamXtremist]

im sure theres bitterness with bret and wwe


but saying hh hasnt had a great match is a stretch

[CSL]

Make money, get drunk, and talk hilarious shit.

well yeah that too but more the "lol whatever, I'm rich" when somebody talks shit about him

[James Steele]

Bret is probably upset that Triple H was the one who recommended they do the screwjob instead of working around the elephant in the room.

[CSL]

Bret vs Owen at WM10 is also epic. Bret had a lot of fucking amazing matches. Him and HHH are two completely different performers.

Bret is a meat and potatoes type worker and HHH likes a lot more smoke and mirrors, but when it comes down to it HHH can work... just a different way to Bret. Honestly though if you put Bret in HHH's position to work some of the matches HHH got to work it'd be interesting to see what he did. Namely the 2000 streetfight with Cactus Jack.

Bret/Owen is a great wrestling match but that's about it and that was the case with quite a few of Bret's matches. Trips has probably had more matches that have "everything" but as you hint at, I guess it depends whether you lean more towards wrestling or sports entertainment

[CSL]

that and there has to be a bit of "MHJ" or Majestic Hairline Jealousy on Bret's behalf

[James Steele]

Bret Hart is a better technical wrestler, but I feel that Triple H has done a far better job overall in his career of having matches that draw you in emotionally and hook you on a visceral level. Bret Hart matches usually impress you in their technical aspects. The only time Bret Hart could create a truly emotionally charged and soul engaging match was when he fought Owen, Bulldog, or Shawn Michaels. The Austin/Hart match at WM13 being the exception, and that is more due to Austin's storytelling than Bret's viciousness.

[JimmyMess]

visceral : http://ecwfrenchtribute.free.fr/HTLM/Photos/V/Viscera/Viscera_-_Nelson_Frazier_04.jpgL

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But on topic, I do not agree with Bret Hart in this particular situation. Triple H has put on some great shows, he wouldn't be as over with the fans if he didn't for such a long time. He's got the IT factor.

[James Steele]

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[Emperor Smeat]

If he had meant by being "great" that Triple H was in the upper tier or all-time legends of the WWF/WWE, then he'd be right since Triple H isn't there nor is a lot of really good/great wrestlers. At the very least, he'd be in the next tier of those wrestlers who were good/great but were not the main guys of their era (pre-Attituide = Bret/HBK, Attitude = Rock/Stone Cold).

He's completely wrong about never doing anything great or having great matches since Triple H has had a lot of them.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If he had meant by being "great" that Triple H was in the upper tier or all-time legends of the WWF/WWE, then he'd be right since Triple H isn't there nor is a lot of really good/great wrestlers. At the very least, he'd be in the next tier of those wrestlers who were good/great but were not the main guys of their era (pre-Attituide = Bret/HBK, Attitude = Rock/Stone Cold).

He's completely wrong about never doing anything great or having great matches since Triple H has had a lot of them.

this.

[VSG]

Clearly some hairline jealousy going on here.

Edit: Fuck you for bringing this up already, CSL.

[Bad News Gertner]

Hahaha even the Canadian vanilla midget knows HHH sucks balls. Terrible wrestler. Shows where fucking the bosses daughter can take you.

Really though, without banging Steph HHH would be maybe a 2 time champion. He's very boring and nobody really cared when he "retired". That's why he's no more a great than Erik Watts.

[VSG]

Get your gimmick straight, Gertie. If you are anti-vanilla midget, how can you be anti-HHH?

[Bad News Gertner]

No gimmick. I'm a straight shooter bro.

Wow, this thread has gotten more of a reaction than HHH's retirement speech.

[VSG]

What we need now is a blog post by Owenbrown with his reactions to decide if HHH is indeed great or if Bret is bitter.

[Dark One]

cant...stop...shaking...

How did you not show up until post #15? I thought there was a HHH Signal or something that shone in the sky to let you know when this shit happened.

[Cool King]

Bret Hart is a better technical wrestler, but I feel that Triple H has done a far better job overall in his career of having matches that draw you in emotionally and hook you on a visceral level. Bret Hart matches usually impress you in their technical aspects. The only time Bret Hart could create a truly emotionally charged and soul engaging match was when he fought Owen, Bulldog, or Shawn Michaels. The Austin/Hart match at WM13 being the exception, and that is more due to Austin's storytelling than Bret's viciousness.

This.

[PrettyCool]

Bret Hart is a bitter old man who is mad because he made a mistake by being a dick and quitting wwe and was wasted in wcw and never became half the star as hbk did and is only liked by online nerds

[Lock Jaw]

cant...stop...shaking...

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[drave]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/TheUltimateWarrior1.gif

Fucking love this.

[Keith]

In this interview Bret says:

"I look at [CM] Punk... I can look at certain wrestlers and I go, this guy is an innovator. Like a Rey Mysterio, who's done stuff that no one has ever thought of before. Punk has done stuff -- really unique moves and you go, 'gee I've never seen anything like that before.' They innovate all the time, and they create new sequences and moves and things.

"Then you look at someone like Triple H. When I look at him -- he's always had a good look as far as his body went -- he always had a pretty muscular physique. But you look at someone like Hunter and you wonder, what has he really done. One move that he ever created that nobody ever saw before or some highspots or an idea for a match... He's mostly a guy that just showed up and they made him. He's always been a decent wrestler -- I would consider him a good wrestler and pretty talented. But great? I don't know, I don't think so.

Listen. Bret Hart may be the best technical wrestler of all time. He may be the best at making wrestling look "real" without hurting his opponents (as he always says). But you look at Bret's career, and he didn't "innovate" much, and he certainly didn't creat new sequences and moves all the time. You look at most of Bret's matches, and he did the same moves. Superplex off the top rope. He and his opponent would come at each other and do a double clothesline where both would lay down while the referee counted, until one of the two would get up. Back breaker followed by the diving elbow off the 2nd rope. And sharpshooter. He'd incorporate a bulldog here and there, he'd dive to the outside sometimes, in 1997 he began doing the figure-four at the turnbuckle. But that was it. When you watch a Bret Hart match, you won't see too many "highspots".

And if I may say so myself, Triple H has had more exciting matches than Bret did.

For Bret, or anyone to say "What has Triple H really done?" is crazy, the man has a legacy.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Bret Hart is boring, Triple H isn't.

[teamXtremist]

i mean is hhh great?! sure i believe so maybe he was made to an extent being with steff but dude can go and has always been enjoyable over the years.


do i think brets jealous of hhH?? no i believe he does think hhh is an inferior wrestler but its brets opinion to have

[The MAC]

I agree with Bret.

Could never get into HHH matches. The guy can be very funny in skits and does a good job as an authority figure but thats about it. He has had big matches and headlines Mania but so have a lot of other people.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bret is not jealous, I think he's just cocky/arrogant and very sure of his ability.

[Kane Knight]

He's had plenty of great matches. That's what you get when you feed the greatest talent of three eras to one mediocre wrestler.

LOL love it! ahahahahaha honestly, I don't think Bret is right, HHH has had some great matches, but at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks.


Neither is the WBC.

[Bad News Gertner]

Bret is not jealous, I think he's just cocky/arrogant and very sure of his ability.

If Bret could suck his own cock he would. Even that would be boring though.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Bret calling somebody's matches predictable? Bitch is wrestle by numbers.

[Tom Guycott]

He's had plenty of great matches. That's what you get when you feed the greatest talent of three eras to one mediocre wrestler.

And therein lies the rub.

We can romantisize or villify Bret's words, but in the end, Hunter was more of a guy who was able to make the best of everything he's been handed. Without Shawn, or The Kliq, or Steph, a freak injury, or possibly even Owen's death (if that whole "Owen was supposed to be The Game" thing has truth in it), he likely would have been one of those guys not able to catch a break... or get a push, and then just have it sort of trail off. I still am not fond of when he dominated the first and last 15 minutes or so of both RAW and Smackdown for weeks on end, but he more than likely would have been used (or unused) akin to someone like Zack Ryder is now. However, I think his stock would have gone up- that is to say, he would be viewed in a better light- if he wasn't around other people who were, for lack of a better term, freaks of nature.

He's better than mediocre, but being constantly surrounded and outshone by guys like Austin or The Rock or Taker or even his own buddy Shawn...

In short, he's more of an Arn Anderson than a Ric Flair. I don't mean that as a slight against either him or Arn, either. The same thing that Bret says about Hunter not having a match that stands out as memorable can also be turned around to not recalling any match of his that shit the bed... even back in his "Conneticut Blueblood" gimmick days.

[KaosDarksol]

Bret is just upset that he isn't as awesome as the king of kings

[KIRA]

If Bret could suck his own cock he would. Even that would be boring though.

This time you and I agree, however Triple H isn't great either hes always came across to me as a good support tier character, never a main eventer and during his time as the main focus in 2001 I had completely stopped watching the show.

[James Steele]

He was out for over half of 2001. Get your shit straight before you start spewing said shit out of mouth.

[Bad News Gertner]

He pretty much pulled a Hogan and made himself the focus of the show. WWF's era of pulling massive ratings ended shortly after.

[NormanSmiley]

I do not have a bias for either guy...to get that out there first

#1 i would like Bret for once to tell everyone who he thinks a great wrestler is, aside from himself because he will always tell you how great he was. But who else does he find great??

#2 i assume what Bret means is that he likes guys who do more move sets, more improvisation in a match who let the wrestling manuevers paint the picture as opposed to the story, the interviews, the build etc.. because from an unbiased standpoint that is where Bret lacked. Bret matches were typically better in ring and HHH matches generally had better builds and lead ins and frankly had more of a payoff after the bell IMO

#3 at some point havent Bret and HHH wrestled??and if so...wouldn't that kill Bret's claim that he could have a great match with anyone?

[Schlomey]

1. Has hhh responded?
2. Wonder if we will see bret from time to time in wwe after this with hhh taking the reigns slowly over time....

[Tanawesome]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlvjxt_triple-h-vs-bret-hart_sport#.UQvH5r_vK_Q

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I do not have a bias for either guy...to get that out there first

#1 i would like Bret for once to tell everyone who he thinks a great wrestler is, aside from himself because he will always tell you how great he was. But who else does he find great??

#2 i assume what Bret means is that he likes guys who do more move sets, more improvisation in a match who let the wrestling manuevers paint the picture as opposed to the story, the interviews, the build etc.. because from an unbiased standpoint that is where Bret lacked. Bret matches were typically better in ring and HHH matches generally had better builds and lead ins and frankly had more of a payoff after the bell IMO

#3 at some point havent Bret and HHH wrestled??and if so...wouldn't that kill Bret's claim that he could have a great match with anyone?

Bret and HHH did wrestle in around '96 ad '97. Also, he was praising CM Punk and Rey as great.

[The Rogerer]

I hated the Michaels/HHH era DX. Unless they were intentionally trying to look/dress/act like the most annoying frat douchebags you've ever seen, then they were a right pair of weirdos. HHH going with Chyna before settling down with a beard in SMH makes sense if the whole DX thing was for him to act as gay as possible in public without ever having to come out.

Still, I enjoyed a lot of his more serious turn in 2000. It was his return to participate in the absolute shitting over the Undisputed Championship in 2002 that put me off him.

[Savio]

HHH/Taker 1 and Brock/HHH were pretty damn great.

[erickman]

i never liked ether one i think they both are over-raited. i think i have more respect for trips though bret bitches too much.

[MisterLee]

I never thought of Triple H as an amazing wrestler either but there is no question how much of a draw he was and his ability to entertain a crowd, especially on the mic. Bret Hart was definitely more technically sound but as an overall package, I'd rather watch a Triple H match over a Bret Hart match any day.

[Schlomey]

After thinking about it I feel that if anybody was going to make those remarks only a select few people could get away with it with any credibility. Hart being one of them.

I still don't know to what level I agree with him, though.

[The Condor]

I see some feel this way but I never felt HHH was that big of a draw. I thought he was good for the hardcore fan (as was Bret and HBK) but he never reached casual fans like Hogan, Rock, SCSA and UT, who drew in more crowds, more ratings and were actually drawing money and attention. I suppose HHH and Bret are just different sides of the same coin in the respect. Bret was better in ring, HHH better on mic and storytelling, and both boring in their own ways.

[Fox]

This is just stupid. Bret's lost his mind.

- Triple H vs Austin at No Way Out 2002 (3 Stages of Hell)
- Triple H vs Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000
- Triple H vs Shawn Michaels at Summerslam 2002 (Street Fight)
- Triple H vs The Rock at Judgment Day 2000 (Iron Man)

Just to name a few off the top of my head.

[xBSAx]

HHH vs Shawn 02'-04' rivalry had so many good matches alone. HITC, Last man standing, street fights etc..

[KIRA]

He was out for over half of 2001. Get your shit straight before you start spewing said shit out of mouth.


My bad. I meant to say the Mcmahon Helmsley era is that pinpoint enough for
you?

[Savio]

- Triple H vs Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000

Who?

[The Rogerer]

He invented standing up to get out of the crippler crossface.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This is just stupid. Bret's lost his mind.

- Triple H vs Austin at No Way Out 2002 (3 Stages of Hell)
- Triple H vs Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000
- Triple H vs Shawn Michaels at Summerslam 2002 (Street Fight)
- Triple H vs The Rock at Judgment Day 2000 (Iron Man)

Just to name a few off the top of my head.

Other than the Benoit match, which of those aren't gimmicked?

[CSL]

Iron Man is hardly a gimmick in the same way the other 2 are. A compelling Iron Man match is harder to pull off than a non-gimmicked match if anything. It was also better than the Bret/Shawn Iron Man, which is saying something given that included Michaels as one of the wrestlers

[#1-norm-fan]

The Rock-HHH iron man match was not that good.

Even though HHH single-handedly made The Rock in it.

[CSL]

it was still better than HBK/Bret

[#1-norm-fan]

You're being silly.

[CSL]

how exactly? Two of the greatest workers of all time, one being the greatest of all time doesn't guarantee excellence. How long has it been since you even watched the match? I love Bret and I worship Shawn/I like them both more than Triple H but other than it being "an impressive feat", the WrestleMania XII Iron Man match outside of the last minute and the overtime period simply wasn't all that good. Notice how none of the other Iron Man matches after it ever finished 1-0?

[Kane Knight]

If Bret could suck his own cock he would. Even that would be boring though.

But wold it get 5 stars?

And therein lies the rub.

We can romantisize or villify Bret's words, but in the end, Hunter was more of a guy who was able to make the best of everything he's been handed. Without Shawn, or The Kliq, or Steph, a freak injury, or possibly even Owen's death (if that whole "Owen was supposed to be The Game" thing has truth in it), he likely would have been one of those guys not able to catch a break... or get a push, and then just have it sort of trail off. I still am not fond of when he dominated the first and last 15 minutes or so of both RAW and Smackdown for weeks on end, but he more than likely would have been used (or unused) akin to someone like Zack Ryder is now. However, I think his stock would have gone up- that is to say, he would be viewed in a better light- if he wasn't around other people who were, for lack of a better term, freaks of nature.

He's better than mediocre, but being constantly surrounded and outshone by guys like Austin or The Rock or Taker or even his own buddy Shawn...

In short, he's more of an Arn Anderson than a Ric Flair. I don't mean that as a slight against either him or Arn, either. The same thing that Bret says about Hunter not having a match that stands out as memorable can also be turned around to not recalling any match of his that shit the bed... even back in his "Conneticut Blueblood" gimmick days.

Tripel H is mediocre, given the people he was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with. And that's kind of the important measure here. I mean, sure, he's not mediocre compared to those ERAG matches, and hell yeah, most of us couldn't do his job, but compared to his peers?

Mediocre. I admit that he got further than his talent should allow, but that's not saying much considering the damage he did to the show even as just a performer. People may not remember his bad matches, but that's because people predominantly tuned out during his matches.

Personally, I'd say " change the channel heat" is the worst kind. Unless you're a smark, in which even turning off the set proves how good a heel you are...Even when you're a face.

He pretty much pulled a Hogan and made himself the focus of the show. WWF's era of pulling massive ratings ended shortly after.

It's almost like feeding an entire company to a guy who couldn't draw in the quarter-hours was a bad idea or something.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Iron Man is hardly a gimmick in the same way the other 2 are. A compelling Iron Man match is harder to pull off than a non-gimmicked match if anything. It was also better than the Bret/Shawn Iron Man, which is saying something given that included Michaels as one of the wrestlers

That iron man match had like a shit ton of run ins. I'm just saying, more smoke and mirrors. But the Game knows his sports entertainment, and is a hell of a performer in his own right. Just he would miss more than he'd hit for a period of time.

[owenbrown]

Now if only James Steele can dial up his Triple H phone and beg him to come back and bury Heath Slater. :shifty:

[Keith]

I watched the video when Bret says all this, and you can tell he still hasn't gotten over the whole Montreal issue.

[Ultra Mantis]

I don't consider Triple H to be a "bad wrestler" in any way but his time at the top when he was doing the 20 minute monologues to open Raw every week and beating all the babyfaces no matter what actually made me stop watching wrestling for a few years. I don't know if it's more him or the way he was booked, but at his peak I had absolutely no desire to watch.

[Emperor Smeat]

The Rock-HHH iron man match was not that good.

Even though HHH single-handedly made The Rock in it.

Might be a bit of a stretch to say that match or Triple H was what made The Rock. However I think their feud did become elevated into a mega feud with that match similar to Mania 15 being what elevated the Stone Cold-Rock feud.

Foley and Stone Cold have the strongest claims to having made or help made The Rock.

[#1-norm-fan]

how exactly? Two of the greatest workers of all time, one being the greatest of all time doesn't guarantee excellence. How long has it been since you even watched the match? I love Bret and I worship Shawn/I like them both more than Triple H but other than it being "an impressive feat", the WrestleMania XII Iron Man match outside of the last minute and the overtime period simply wasn't all that good. Notice how none of the other Iron Man matches after it ever finished 1-0?

Everyone knows an iron man match isn't gonna end with a difference more than 1 point. Whether it's 1-0 or 6-5. I prefer the one that came off like a test of wills and endurance between two of the best ever to the one that featured two guys who are supposed to be at the top of their game getting pinned left and right out of nowhere just to rack up ultimately meaningless points.

[Curd]

He pretty much pulled a Hogan and made himself the focus of the show. WWF's era of pulling massive ratings ended shortly after.

Yeah, author James Guttman argues laboriously for this point in his book World Wrestling Insanity.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Wb9Hcz8Ho_IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=wrestling&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pVOKUMS2AsbByQGezID4Bw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=wrestling&f=false

[CSL]

Everyone knows an iron man match isn't gonna end with a difference more than 1 point. Whether it's 1-0 or 6-5. I prefer the one that came off like a test of wills and endurance between two of the best ever to the one that featured two guys who are supposed to be at the top of their game getting pinned left and right out of nowhere just to rack up ultimately meaningless points.

yeah but getting to that point where the difference of 1 point comes into play, how it's going to finish is what it's all about and Hunter/Rock did that in a more entertaining and exciting fashion. After the Mania 12 match and what they did, if Shawn had tapped out to the sharpshooter during that final countdown, it'd have been like "oh" and that'd have been about it since the entire build was geared towards Shawn winning/"the boyhood dream coming true", it'd have been a bit of a wet fart. With HHH/Rock you had no idea what the shit was going to happen and not in a Russo kind of way.

[#1-norm-fan]

Though the ending was quite Russo-esque.

And it's not like having a pretty good idea of who's coming out on top hampers the match. See: The Undertaker having classic matches with predictable outcomes four years straight. It was a culmination. Like Austin over HBK. Like Hogan in the 80's/90's. Like a ton of classic matches. And like I said, I'll take the story of two guys looking like they are absolutely incapable of being pinned or made to submit for an hour to two top guys getting pinned at the first sign of a power move every five minutes. The journey was better with HBK and Bret. The clusterfuck ending didn't exactly save it.

[CSL]

clusterfucks are the best when done properly, which WWE has always been pretty spot on with, it doesn't have to be Russo-esque as long as it makes sense, flows, is timed right. WWE's clusterfucks are usually controlled chaos meant to build and build until the payoff, a Russo clusterfuck is throwing a bunch of surprises at you simply for the sake of trying to surprise you. And no it absolutely doesn't hamper when you know who's going over quite a lot of the time but I just don't think the match was strong enough to cover that, like there was more focus on "look at what these guys are doing, what athletes!" and forgot a bit about making it exciting. I completely understand the HBK/Bret story and what they were telling and I'm sure they could probably have even torn the house down under the exact same circumstances on another occasion. But 12 just didn't really click for me in a "wow this is really fucking good" kind of way.

[CSL]

and believe me, I want it to. Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart in the main event of WrestleMania for an hour should be the greatest professional wrestling match of all time.

[Keith]

The ending of the WM12 Bret/Shawn Ironman Match definitely "devalues" the match itself, somewhat.

But it was very good.

[Kane Knight]

I watched the video when Bret says all this, and you can tell he still hasn't gotten over the whole Montreal issue.

Decided before video was clicked.

[Flash Funk]

HHH was probably a huge asshole to Bret in past. Bret is a better wrestler, but HHH has had great matches.

[James Steele]

I hated the Michaels/HHH era DX. Unless they were intentionally trying to look/dress/act like the most annoying frat douchebags you've ever seen, then they were a right pair of weirdos. HHH going with Chyna before settling down with a beard in SMH makes sense if the whole DX thing was for him to act as gay as possible in public without ever having to come out.

Still, I enjoyed a lot of his more serious turn in 2000. It was his return to participate in the absolute shitting over the Undisputed Championship in 2002 that put me off him.

DX were heels when they started. They wanted to piss you off. Remember how Bret kept calling Shawn a faggot?

I assume Triple H just liked having a road partner in multiple aspects.

Triple H had the title for 1 fucking month before he dropped it to Hogan. How in the fuck did he shit on the belt? Or are you bitching about he single handedly legitimized a new world title and made it the premier title in the WWE in less than a year?

[Road Warrior]

Triple H was far more entertaining and drew more money than Bret ever dreamed of. Bret was technically a better wrestler, but so were Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero and a whole host of other guys who aren't in Triple H's league. Bret has always been the biggest mark in the business and it's not surprising he's relegating himself to making snide remarks to try to keep himself relevant. I really don't dislike Bret either, but really, it's been over 15 years since the "screw job", stop throwing a fucking temper tantrum.

[CSL]

I don't know if I agree with Road Warrior but I like the cut of his jib

[Juan]

and believe me, I want it to. Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart in the main event of WrestleMania for an hour should be the greatest professional wrestling match of all time.

It is ;)

[#1-norm-fan]

I like the cut of Juan's jib.

[James Steele]

I like the cut of your <s>cock</s> jib.

[#1-norm-fan]

<s>My cock is uncut</s> Thank you.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Triple H was far more entertaining and drew more money than Bret ever dreamed of. Bret was technically a better wrestler, but so were Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero and a whole host of other guys who aren't in Triple H's league. Bret has always been the biggest mark in the business and it's not surprising he's relegating himself to making snide remarks to try to keep himself relevant. I really don't dislike Bret either, but really, it's been over 15 years since the "screw job", stop throwing a fucking temper tantrum.

I'd agree a lot with this. Sure, there's guys who are better "technical" wrestlers. But Guerrero aside, those guys mentioned had no personality and were utterly boring. This is basically just the "define wrestler" argument all over again, but to me a wrestler should be entertaining in all aspects, and to me Triple H fits that model. Triple H is entertaining, Bret Hart bores me.

[James Steele]

<s>disgusting feature on a man</s> You're welcome.

[James Steele]

This thread has given me a very firm erection. My cock could go DH for the New York Yankees right now.

[Shadrick]

This thread has given me a very firm erection. My cock could go DH for the New York Yankees right now.

http://t.qkme.me/3rt4pr.jpg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Triple H was far more entertaining and drew more money than Bret ever dreamed of. Bret was technically a better wrestler, but so were Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero and a whole host of other guys who aren't in Triple H's league. Bret has always been the biggest mark in the business and it's not surprising he's relegating himself to making snide remarks to try to keep himself relevant. I really don't dislike Bret either, but really, it's been over 15 years since the "screw job", stop throwing a fucking temper tantrum.

This is such a knob post.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

HHH Jericho Last Man Standing at Fully Loaded 2000 was a great match.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

HHH Jericho Last Man Standing at Fully Loaded 2000 was a great match.

Another gimmick match.... but in all actuality fucking epic. I remember being blown away by that much. It was super intense.... the only shame is that Jericho didn't go over... that was when the fans were rabid for someone new to rise to the top. Such an awesome awesome match. HHH in his total beast prime, no quad injury, before he put on too much muscle and became slow and plodding. Totally forgot how amazing this match was.

[MoFo]

"technical wrestler" is just a polite term for boring as fuck, IMO.

HHH had more great matches in 2000 than Bret had in his entire career.

[The Condor]

After 3 pages can't we all agree that they were both boring in their own ways and their backstage politicking ruined aspects of the business? They're both good and terrible, neither in the "great echelon" populated by men in the business who were better than them in all respects. They were good, not great and I think that's the end of it.

[Kane Knight]

After 3 pages can't we all agree that they were both boring in their own ways and their backstage politicking ruined aspects of the business?

Backstage politics are awesome, man. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Keith]

This thread has given me a very firm erection. My cock could go DH for the New York Yankees right now.


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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

"technical wrestler" is just a polite term for boring as fuck, IMO.

HHH had more great matches in 2000 than Bret had in his entire career.

false

[Keith]

Bret Hart continues to rip Triple H. This is getting silly now.

He says Triple H isn't in the Top 1000 Greatest Wrestlers of ALL TIME. I mean, Top 1000.

He says last year's HHH/Undertaker Hell in a Cell match at WM28 was a 4 out of 10, and that's "being generous".

Man, fuck him. Enough of this.


http://www.layfieldreport.com/Bret-Hart-Triple-H-not-in-top-1.news

[VSG]

lol@"I never saw him contribute an idea". Forgot the screwjob, you old fart?

[Kane Knight]

Bret Hart continues to rip Triple H. This is getting silly now.

He says Triple H isn't in the Top 1000 Greatest Wrestlers of ALL TIME. I mean, Top 1000.

He says last year's HHH/Undertaker Hell in a Cell match at WM28 was a 4 out of 10, and that's "being generous".

Man, fuck him. Enough of this.


http://www.layfieldreport.com/Bret-Hart-Triple-H-not-in-top-1.news

Keith continues to rip Bret Hart. This is getting silly now.

lol@"I never saw him contribute an idea". Forgot the screwjob, you old fart?

Apparently, he's still not over it (as is evidence by...Ponies), so how could he forget it?

[Rock Bottom]

I think Bret is rating this guy from the other side of the business. He's a peer, not a fan, and the opinion isn't really worth much.

Fact is, Triple H is probably the best heel in recent history, you'd have to go back decades and find some dead guy that "did it for 20 years at the garden" or some shit to find a match.

Love Bret, don't think he's being bitter, just super critical. Don't think the opinion holds much weight as a peer.

[Keith]

When did Bret Hart wrestle Triple H back in '92 or '93?

Wait. Bret says he can't talk about Triple H today, because he hasn't stepped in the ring with him, so he's judging him based on what he brought to the table back when he was Hunter Hearst Helmsley, or was just turning into Triple H.

Good one, Bret.

[Keith]

Looking back in time, though, I can understand why Bret is still angry at HHH. It was Hunter who jabbed Bret the most back in late '97, not Shawn.

I still remember when HHH was going to face Bret on RAW, and he said "Bret, I'm younger than you, I'm better than you and I'm bigger than you...in more ways than one".

And when the Bret Hart "midget" came out, HHH was the one who said "Bret, we knew you were short in charisma, short on talent..."

So I get it.

But still.

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[Nark Order]

Triple H is extremely overrated in the grand scheme of things. Saying he hasn't had any great matches is a little silly though.

[Rock Bottom]

I don't think he's overrated, but he is the 1294th best wrestler of all time

[Rock Bottom]

very mediocre guy (held raw hostage for a year and had nuclear heat) who never contributed (made rock and austin look like millions)

[Rock Bottom]

Man, I think Bret is just one of those guys you're at a big party with. And you're just wondering, "Is Bret gonna do it again?" You're having a good time, and everything's going well. Just when you think everything is going to end well, Bret just starts randomly ripping into people out of the blue, and everyone gives you the look, as if to say, "Yeah, thanks for bringing the hit man, you jerk, now the whole party is ruined."

[Kane Knight]

held raw hostage for a year and had nuclear heat
lol

[Keith]

Man, I think Bret is just one of those guys you're at a big party with. And you're just wondering, "Is Bret gonna do it again?" You're having a good time, and everything's going well. Just when you think everything is going to end well, Bret just starts randomly ripping into people out of the blue, and everyone gives you the look, as if to say, "Yeah, thanks for bringing the hit man, you jerk, now the whole party is ruined."

LOL.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Guys remember Bret had a stroke. So, he probably just forgot all of the good matches HHH had.

[Kane Knight]

Guys remember Bret had a stroke. So, he probably just forgot all of the good matches HHH had.

He's clearly bitter about them, so how could he forget them?

[Juan]

Guys remember Bret had a stroke. So, he probably just forgot all of the good matches HHH had.

All 3 of them??

[CSL]

you fiend!

[Fignuts]

Not even in the top 1000?

Wow, Bret Hart is a douche bag.

[The Rogerer]

Now that I'm back into wrestling and a lot older and wiser, I've had loads of things happen to me that are far worse than the pretend bad thing that happened at the Montreal Screwjob. Get over it you wanker.

[whiteyford]

It's a work?:shifty:

[Corporate CockSnogger]

A guy I know thinks it is. To try and build up some sort of doubt in people's minds about Triple H being good enough to beat Lesnar.

Even though the people that will read it and put so much stock in what he's saying already know that, should the match come to fruition, Triple H will go over.

[Shisen Kopf]

I agree somewhat with Bret. The Hitman is awesome and I'll have no-one of you guys pooping on him, stop that! Bret is a living legend that overcame his Canadian-ness to become the third greatest rassler of all time. HHH was good but not great.

[Kane Knight]

It's a work?:shifty:
It's always a work.

Although seriously, you'd expect wrestling fans to understand hyperbole.

[McLegend]

I agree that HHH isn't great, but not having a great match is obviously wrong. How many non-gimmick great matches does HHH have though? That might be a better thing to say? Either way who cares a great match is a great match...

Still I love it when Bret Hart rips people. I hope he never stops doing it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I love how 4-5 years ago I ripped into Bret Hart here for being an over-rated, boring blow hard who is full of shit and I got called "a troll"......and now you all agree with me.

Remember that next time you say I'm trolling. Chances are you're just blinded by your smarky fatness.

Signed: Gertner "the pulse of the WWE"

[Vastardikai]

Like I said elsewhere.

"Bruno Sammartino has also said that Stone Cold wasn't a draw. I would take the words of old timers with a grain of salt."

Honestly, I wouldn't doubt many of the old timers having severe CTE.

[Shisen Kopf]

I love how 4-5 years ago I ripped into Bret Hart here for being an over-rated, boring blow hard who is full of shit and I got called "a troll"......and now you all agree with me.

Remember that next time you say I'm trolling. Chances are you're just blinded by your smarky fatness.

Signed: Gertner "the pulse of the WWE"

I don't agree with you. Bret Hart is awesome dude. Also, if yore the pulse, then I am the brain of Shisen Kopf presents TPWW. That's actually the full name of this site FYI.

[dronepool]

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[Theo Dious]

1. Has hhh responded?

Would you respond to a bitter old man talking smack on you in interviews?

[Kane Knight]

I love how 4-5 years ago I ripped into Bret Hart here for being an over-rated, boring blow hard who is full of shit and I got called "a troll"......and now you all agree with me.

Remember that next time you say I'm trolling. Chances are you're just blinded by your smarky fatness.

Signed: Gertner "the pulse of the WWE"

Gertie, you should know by now that the smark is a herd animal driven by the most fickle of its kind. They can't even decide how the feel about John Cena, who should be like the smark antichrist, because that would require decisiveness.

Since it is now trendy to like Triple H again, they fear agreeing with Bret due to the internal strife it would cause in the herd. This mentality lobbed against someone they currently did not like would probably be met with praise, as Bret Hart's more of a neutral figure in the smark psyche.

[Kane Knight]

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Hate the way Bret just brings up Montreal without even being asked about it. What a dick.

[Juan]

Gertie, you should know by now that the smark is a herd animal driven by the most fickle of its kind. They can't even decide how the feel about John Cena, who should be like the smark antichrist, because that would require decisiveness.

Since it is now trendy to like Triple H again, they fear agreeing with Bret due to the internal strife it would cause in the herd. This mentality lobbed against someone they currently did not like would probably be met with praise, as Bret Hart's more of a neutral figure in the smark psyche.

lol

[Keith]

1. Has hhh responded?

When months and months pass and you don't see Bret on WWE tv, you will know Triple H responded.

[Theo Dious]

Like I said elsewhere.

"Bruno Sammartino has also said that Stone Cold wasn't a draw. I would take the words of old timers with a grain of salt."

Honestly, I wouldn't doubt many of the old timers having severe CTE.

Difference though is that Bruno made a jackass remark based on ignorance of the way the business works now vs the way it worked in his time. At least you could look at that remark and say he's stuck in a different era. Very common for old guys.

Bret is saying something that, while an opinion, is completely retarded and something the majority of reasonable people would call into question ("never had a great match" and "not in the top 1000.) The only thing that can explain that away is a hyperbole fail or the stroke.

[Vastardikai]

which goes back to my last sentence. Bret's brain is likely fried. Not unlike Iron Shiek, Roddy Piper, Hulk Hogan, or any other goofy delusional old timer.

[McLegend]

HHH has a front office job, and is set for life.

He doesn't need to respond.

[Keith]

HHH has a front office job, and is set for life.

He doesn't need to respond.

Now that you mention it, I wonder if Bret is just jealous of Triple H, because he's so close to Vince.

I know Bret has said he always saw Vince as some sort of father-figure, maybe he just longs for Vince's affection, and when he sees Triple H getting it, he just can't stand it :'(

[Kane Knight]

HHH has a front office job, and is set for life.

He doesn't need to respond.

He'll probably do so anyway, though.

[Dark One]

He'll probably come out during a commercial break and Pedigree footage of the interview. That's what he normally does now, right?

[Schlomey]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1065156-wwe-triple-hs-25-best-matches-of-his-17-year-wwe-career

I don't know how credible this is going to be as I don't know much about the bleacherreport but I plan on watching these 25 matches and making my own assumption.

I'm on the fence with all this. Bret, the wrestler, has a right to his opinion. Bret, the fan, really doesn't have a leg to stand on. a lot of the match types that HHH has been a part of came well after Bret left ......We will see where I stand after this endeavour.

[Keith]

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Arda Ocal asked him if he ever gets tired of talking about "The Montreal Screwjob", and Bret basically answered "No" LOL.

But we already knew that.

[Rock Bottom]

hey man, I think Bret's great, just think he mo wrong than a mug

[VSG]

Busted Open Radio recently spoke with Chris Jericho to discuss Bret Hart’s comments towards Triple H. Here are some highlights.

Jericho on Bret Hart’s comments on HHH: “It was funny because when I saw that comment that Bret had said, I was kind of surprised because I think that Triple H has had a lot of great matches, dozens of great matches. I could think of two or three that I was in with him myself, so, maybe, I don’t know why Bret would say that, maybe it’s still a little bit personal or some bad vibes or taste in his mouth from what happened years ago. But I’ll tell you face to face that Triple H has had many great matches and I always enjoyed watching him work, even up to the match he had with Lesnar. I don’t know if that was a great match, it was definitely a very good one, so I would definitely never ever bury Triple H’s wrestling talent for sure I think he’s one of the best we’ve ever seen.I

What benefit does it have for Bret Hart to make those comments? “He’s saying it just because, old, old, old wounds die hard, or whatever the cliché is. You know, I’m sure Bret has made his peace with Shawn over the Montreal Screw Job; maybe he still has some lingering issues with Triple H as part of that. I don’t know, cuz I think Bret is very much one of my favorites of all time, one of my top two or three as a matter of fact, but maybe there’s a little bit of bias in this or something like that for him to say that Triple H has had no great matches. Cuz I don’t think anybody could ever say that he’s had no great matches. You might say “well this guy’s a jerk” or “I don’t like him personally” or “backstage I don’t like him” or “politically I don’t like him”, but there’s one thing you can never doubt with Triple H and that’s his wrestling ability, especially as a main event performer, like you said earlier, in the early 2000′s as the top heel in the company, I think you could throw any baby face’s name out there and you could probably match up a quote unquote great match that he had with that person, for sure.

“Triple H may be a little bit underrated as far as the amount of flak that he takes over the years, but, as a performer, I’ll tell you straight up he was definitely one of the best, from that era and even up until last year. The match he had with Undertaker, the match he had with Undertaker the year before, both Wrestlemania matches, were both amazing matches. Maybe not the same levels as the ones Shawn had with him but definitely in the exact same ballpark. Triple H is just one of those guys, he’s got it, he always has had it, he’s a great ring general, he’s very smart in the psychology of putting together his matches, believable when he works, so definitely definitely definitely. Like I said, I could give you 3 matches that I had with him, personally that I thought were great. The Last Man Standing that we had in Dallas, the title match we had at State College where I won the title, and then the tag match with me and Benoit versus Triple H and Austin. All of them were what I would consider to be some of my best performances, some of my best matches that I ever had for sure.”

Outside your matches with him, what do you think was his best match ever? Y2J – It’s hard to say cuz there’s just so many eras, like you said, I would have thought of the Three Stages of Hell with Austin, was a great one. I think he had a 60 minute Iron Man Match that’s forgotten against The Rock where Shawn was the referee, that was great. I think the 3-way with Benoit and Shawn at Wrestlemania, whatever it was, was amazing. And I think the ones he had with Undertaker, both of those were great. But that’s the thing, when you get a guy who’s had as many great matches as he has, it’s hard to just say here’s one or here’s two, you know. There’s just so many. There’s this one there’s that one there’s this one and that one, I mean the Batista Wrestlemania match was great as well. That’s what makes a great worker, not just a short burst, but longevity of a career, 10-15 years of having great matches with a whole variety of different opponents and whole variety of styles. You know, that’s what makes a great worker to me.”

[Savio]

How many times did HHH wrestle Austin on PPV?

[Shadrick]

hey man, I think Bret's great, just think he mo wrong than a mug

haaaa my nigga *daps*

[James Steele]

How many times did HHH wrestle Austin on PPV?

October 20, 1996 – Buried Alive: Steve Austin defeated Hunter Hearst-Helmsley.

February 15, 1998 – No Way Out: Steve Austin/Owen Hart/Cactus Jack/Chainsaw Charlie beat HHH/New Age Outlaws/Savio Vega.

May 16, 1999 – No Mercy UK: Steve Austin beat The Undertaker and Triple H in an “anything goes triangle” match to retain.

Summerslam 1999: Mankind defeated Steve Austin (Champion) & Triple H to win the WWF title!

October 17, 1999 – No Mercy: Triple H defeated Steve Austin in an “anything goes” match to retain the WWF title. (AWESOME MATCH!!)

November 19, 2000 – Survivor Series: Triple H vs Steve Austin went to a NO CONTEST in a “No-DQ” match..

December 10, 2000 – Armageddon: Kurt Angle beat Rock, Austin, Rikishi, HHH, & Taker in a Hell in a Cell match!

February 25, 2001 – No Way Out: Triple H beat Steve Austin in a 3-match-series grudge match..


1) SCSA beat HHH in a regular match
2) HHH beat SCSA in a “street fight”
3) HHH beat SCSA in a “cage” match.

[Savio]

Surprised they didn't have more, if I can remember right Austin/Rock had quite a bit and HHH/Rock had quite a bit.

[XL]

Here's something I was considering: how many of these "great" HHH matches have been with guys that are universally considered "great" (Austin, Rock, Taker, Shawn) or guys that Bret would consider better than HHH (Jericho, Benoit).

One of the most often used compliments in wrestling is "He can have a great match with a [insert inanimate object here]", maybe Bret is coming at it from that angle? Like, "When has HHH had a great match with someone that wasn't one of the all time greats/superior in-ring talents?" type deal.

Dunno. Just a thought.

[#1-norm-fan]

I would hardly consider Rock one of those guys.

[#1-norm-fan]

Then again, I think HHH's matches against Rock are a little overrated.

[Savio]

HHH had more great matches than Kane

[mike adamle]

Hopefully this leads to Bret vs. HHH at mania

[James Steele]

Yes, HHH had shitty matches with Nash and Steiner. He isn't Shawn Michaels.

[Bad News Gertner]

No he isn't. Lol noooooooo he isn't. Heck, he's not even Shawn Stasiak.

[kidkash]

Im not a big fan of Triple H, and not sure how much i respect him...i honestly think i agree with Bret on this. hes a great entertainer, and thats awesome for the business...but as far as being a great wrestler im not sure either.

[Kane Knight]

Here's something I was considering: how many of these "great" HHH matches have been with guys that are universally considered "great" (Austin, Rock, Taker, Shawn) or guys that Bret would consider better than HHH (Jericho, Benoit).

One of the most often used compliments in wrestling is "He can have a great match with a [insert inanimate object here]", maybe Bret is coming at it from that angle? Like, "When has HHH had a great match with someone that wasn't one of the all time greats/superior in-ring talents?" type deal.

Dunno. Just a thought.

Wrestling is meant to be taken literally.

[RockySucks]

I do and don't agree with Bret when he says this.

HHH did have a decent match with Taker at Wrestlemania their
very first encounter. When Taker was the American Bad Ass.

However since then, he hasn't faced anyone as good, of course
it could all change if we get Brock vs HHH at mania.

I also don't recall Bret having had a great match either,
ok his match with Austin was great, but that was it, if I remember correctly
half way through his WWF contract all he did was bitch and moan about being screwed, and then crying cause he didn't get his own way.

[mike adamle]

With this happening I'm guessing we'll get this at WrestleMania.

WWE Title Triple Threat Match: The Rock (C) vs. John Cena vs. CM Punk

Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker

HHH vs. Bret Hart

[Next Big Thing]

I wonder if Bret would get his jean shorts customized for that match or if he'd stick with the off the rack TJ Maxx look.

[XL]

I would hardly consider Rock one of those guys.

Neither would I from a technical point of view but from a "brings a big game feel to a match" consideration...

[XL]

I wonder if Bret would get his jean shorts customized for that match or if he'd stick with the off the rack TJ Maxx look.

Fact: it's TK Maxx in the UK.

[James Steele]

Fact: UK actually stands for "undeniable kocksuckers".

[#1-norm-fan]

Neither would I from a technical point of view but from a "brings a big game feel to a match" consideration...

Well obviously. The guy's a huge star. Especially now that he only wrestles on rare occasions, he certainly brings a ridiculous "big game feel" to a match.

But that can only make a match entertaining to a certain point.

[mike adamle]

With this happening I'm guessing we'll get this at WrestleMania.

WWE Title Triple Threat Match: The Rock (C) vs. John Cena vs. CM Punk

Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker

HHH vs. Bret Hart

I'm hoping Bret, Brock, and The Rock go over at Mania. Bret and Punk would then feud over #1 contendership while you have Brock and Rock facing each other. Then at SummerSlam you have the WWE Title Match either The Rock or Brock Lesnar defending against Bret The Hitman Hart.

[mike adamle]

Could probably have the legends WWE Championship angle culminate at WrestleMania XXX with Bruno Sammartino (C) vs. Undertaker

[CSL]

can't tell if mike adamle is taking the piss half the time

[James Steele]

I just think he is the drizzling shits.

[Kane Knight]

I wonder if Bret would get his jean shorts customized for that match or if he'd stick with the off the rack TJ Maxx look.

Acid wash 4 lyf, bro.

Fact: it's TK Maxx in the UK.

I'm surprised they didn't add a couple of us and maybe an e.