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Old 01-31-2013, 06:44 PM   #1
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Bret Hart says that Triple H "isn't great" and that "he's never had a great match"
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Wrestle Talk TV Extra recently interviewed Bret "The Hitman" Hart, who was critical of Triple H. Here is what Hart said about "The Game":

"I have a certain amount of respect for Triple H. I remember when he first came in, I remember commenting on stuff that he did. Because I'd usually give wrestlers my thoughts and try to help them on stuff... Triple H has always been a good wrestler. But great? What is he now, a 1,000 time world champion? How great really is he?

"I look at [CM] Punk... I can look at certain wrestlers and I go, this guy is an innovator. Like a Rey Mysterio, who's done stuff that no one has ever thought of before. Punk has done stuff -- really unique moves and you go, 'gee I've never seen anything like that before.' They innovate all the time, and they create new sequences and moves and things.

"Then you look at someone like Triple H. When I look at him -- he's always had a good look as far as his body went -- he always had a pretty muscular physique. But you look at someone like Hunter and you wonder, what has he really done. One move that he ever created that nobody ever saw before or some highspots or an idea for a match... He's mostly a guy that just showed up and they made him. He's always been a decent wrestler -- I would consider him a good wrestler and pretty talented. But great? I don't know, I don't think so.

"What has he ever done that's great? He's never had a great match, I don't think ever. Whenever I look at Triple H's matches, including the last one he had with Undertaker -- and I don't really mean it as a knock -- but I told myself before I watched it because I'm trying to like Paul now these days, that I want to see him do something to make me think he's got greatness in him.

"Before Triple H wrestled Undertaker last year, I remember watching it and going, 'I can picture the whole match in my head, I can tell you exactly what this match is going to be like and how it's going to go. And I remember watching it and it went exactly how I predicted it... I thought it was mediocre at best, maybe a 4 out of 10, or 3 out of 10.

"I think Paul is a little overrated... overrated for being great. I can sit here and tell you that there was one match that he ever had with anybody that I thought was great. It's kind of a shame, he should have a great match somewhere with somebody. And you'd think that he would have had it by now, but I don't think he's a great wrestler."
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:46 PM   #2
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LOL love it! ahahahahaha honestly, I don't think Bret is right, HHH has had some great matches, but at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks.
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also, I love Bret and everything, I really do but I've never sat and watched a match of his in complete awe in the way I did for Triple H/Taker at Mania last year except maybe when he got fucked in Montreal and that certainly wasn't in the same context
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And before everyone starts whining... YES BRET SOUNDS BITTER. Get the fuck over it! It's who he is!
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:50 PM   #7
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also, I love Bret and everything, I really do but I've never sat and watched a match of his in complete awe in the way I did for Triple H/Taker at Mania last year except maybe when he got fucked in Montreal and that certainly wasn't in the same context
I'm sorry but any Bret vs Austin match eclipses almost everything in WWE history.
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I didn't actually think of WM13 in the 6 seconds I spent thinking of Bret matches. That said, outside of that shot of Austin and what it did for his career, I still think I prefer the cell match
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I agree and respect his opinion and courage in saying this. Triple H's lack of in-ring greatness paired with his IMO drab character led me to almost cut wrestling out completely for about 6-7 years. Sure Im not a HHH fan and this backs up my already solidified opinion but that Bret says this is pretty honest and intriguing. More interested in why he would say this and proceed to elaborate in such a detailed manner more than anything.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:21 PM   #10
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Bret also thinks Flair wasn't very good. I'd guess because of how "technically efficient" he was, anybody that wasn't on the same level as him is simply no good. Trips and Flair might not be the best "wrestlers" under that definition but they're fucking great sports entertainers. Toeholds, wristlocks and chain wrestling don't sell PPV's and t-shirts.
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Well, I've never looked at HHH as "one of the greats" so I guess I agree with Bret on that.
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I thought the cell match was the match of the year, for me anyway. Bret had his moments too, but one of the first (if not THE first) thing that comes to mind when I think Bret Hart is Montreal, not an actual match.

And Bret v Austin was ALWAYS worth seeing. Outside of that, I never truly found him "great" in the same light he views HHH.


Hearing all this kinda makes me wonder: If HHH hadn't disappeared for so long with the torn quad, would he have been as big as he was? What I mean is that his return was one of the BIGGEST returns during that era, established lotsa hype and kinda renewed his character. Without that, would people have stuck around for him as long as they did?
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Bret also thinks Flair wasn't very good. I'd guess because of how "technically efficient" he was, anybody that wasn't on the same level as him is simply no good. Trips and Flair might not be the best "wrestlers" under that definition but they're fucking great sports entertainers. Toeholds, wristlocks and chain wrestling don't sell PPV's and t-shirts.
Bret has other reasons for not liking Flair, he is obviously biased in that regard. Bret is kind of like the crotchety uncle/grandpa type. There is wisdom in his words but sometimes you need to sift through what he says and think of the context of it all.
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Bret needs to subscribe to "The Kevin Nash Outlook" on life
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Bret vs Owen at WM10 is also epic. Bret had a lot of fucking amazing matches. Him and HHH are two completely different performers.

Bret is a meat and potatoes type worker and HHH likes a lot more smoke and mirrors, but when it comes down to it HHH can work... just a different way to Bret. Honestly though if you put Bret in HHH's position to work some of the matches HHH got to work it'd be interesting to see what he did. Namely the 2000 streetfight with Cactus Jack.
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But as cliche as it is to say, as well as a lame pun, Bret is a heart and soul type of guy... which is why emotions get the better of him.
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Bret is probably upset that Triple H was the one who recommended they do the screwjob instead of working around the elephant in the room.
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Bret vs Owen at WM10 is also epic. Bret had a lot of fucking amazing matches. Him and HHH are two completely different performers.

Bret is a meat and potatoes type worker and HHH likes a lot more smoke and mirrors, but when it comes down to it HHH can work... just a different way to Bret. Honestly though if you put Bret in HHH's position to work some of the matches HHH got to work it'd be interesting to see what he did. Namely the 2000 streetfight with Cactus Jack.
Bret/Owen is a great wrestling match but that's about it and that was the case with quite a few of Bret's matches. Trips has probably had more matches that have "everything" but as you hint at, I guess it depends whether you lean more towards wrestling or sports entertainment
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:42 PM   #26
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that and there has to be a bit of "MHJ" or Majestic Hairline Jealousy on Bret's behalf
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Bret Hart is a better technical wrestler, but I feel that Triple H has done a far better job overall in his career of having matches that draw you in emotionally and hook you on a visceral level. Bret Hart matches usually impress you in their technical aspects. The only time Bret Hart could create a truly emotionally charged and soul engaging match was when he fought Owen, Bulldog, or Shawn Michaels. The Austin/Hart match at WM13 being the exception, and that is more due to Austin's storytelling than Bret's viciousness.
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But on topic, I do not agree with Bret Hart in this particular situation. Triple H has put on some great shows, he wouldn't be as over with the fans if he didn't for such a long time. He's got the IT factor.
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If he had meant by being "great" that Triple H was in the upper tier or all-time legends of the WWF/WWE, then he'd be right since Triple H isn't there nor is a lot of really good/great wrestlers. At the very least, he'd be in the next tier of those wrestlers who were good/great but were not the main guys of their era (pre-Attituide = Bret/HBK, Attitude = Rock/Stone Cold).

He's completely wrong about never doing anything great or having great matches since Triple H has had a lot of them.
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If he had meant by being "great" that Triple H was in the upper tier or all-time legends of the WWF/WWE, then he'd be right since Triple H isn't there nor is a lot of really good/great wrestlers. At the very least, he'd be in the next tier of those wrestlers who were good/great but were not the main guys of their era (pre-Attituide = Bret/HBK, Attitude = Rock/Stone Cold).

He's completely wrong about never doing anything great or having great matches since Triple H has had a lot of them.
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Clearly some hairline jealousy going on here.

Edit: Fuck you for bringing this up already, CSL.
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Hahaha even the Canadian vanilla midget knows HHH sucks balls. Terrible wrestler. Shows where fucking the bosses daughter can take you.

Really though, without banging Steph HHH would be maybe a 2 time champion. He's very boring and nobody really cared when he "retired". That's why he's no more a great than Erik Watts.
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Get your gimmick straight, Gertie. If you are anti-vanilla midget, how can you be anti-HHH?
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Wow, this thread has gotten more of a reaction than HHH's retirement speech.
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What we need now is a blog post by Owenbrown with his reactions to decide if HHH is indeed great or if Bret is bitter.
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Bret Hart is a better technical wrestler, but I feel that Triple H has done a far better job overall in his career of having matches that draw you in emotionally and hook you on a visceral level. Bret Hart matches usually impress you in their technical aspects. The only time Bret Hart could create a truly emotionally charged and soul engaging match was when he fought Owen, Bulldog, or Shawn Michaels. The Austin/Hart match at WM13 being the exception, and that is more due to Austin's storytelling than Bret's viciousness.
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