Playstation 4

[Emperor Smeat]

The used game ban rumors were squashed by the boss of SCE in an interview with Eurogamer.

"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers… They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation… So, used games can play on PS4.”

Another person also stated the patent that caused the whole concern wasn't meant to ever be used in the PS4 and is meant for something else (Blu-Ray players?).
http://www.screwattack.com/news/playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games-thankfully

[VSG]

For those that missed the conference:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0rJDn0jRnUQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

lol

[Purgatory]

lol, for real. Love that video.

[RoXer]

I don't know what a ham and egger is.

[RoXer]

1. ham and egger 282 up, 58 down

A common person who might be seen eating ham and eggs. Not posessing many spectacular qualities. Your 'average joe'.
Some ham and egger came into my work today.
by Max Dec 26, 2003 share this add a video
2. ham and egger 126 up, 80 down

A prize fighter whose modest skills won't let him/her win large purses. So, their manager (who gets a percentage of purses won) will never be able to afford to eat better than ham & eggs. (No steaks!)
That ham and egger! He got KO'd in the second by some stumblebum.
by outawork Nov 7, 2003 share this add a video
3. ham and egger 49 up, 29 down

your average joe schmoe, 9 to 5, daily grind nobody. a sucker. someone without any side hustles.
look at that suit and tie wearing ham and egger.
looser nobody side hustle average joe john
by doctor deez Jun 12, 2010 share this add a video
4. ham and egger 32 up, 38 down

An amateur. Primarily and athlete, posing as a professional, but not quite up to that caliber. It's a slurred, "code" name for Amateur. Hence: Am - A - Teur = Ham -And - Egger.
1940's Ringside Announcer: "This guy's just a hamneggr (ham and egger)."
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Oh. Thought it was some way of calling us niggers. I didn't like that.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Like I would do something like that. Don't be so bloody Korean about it.

[RoXer]

Now you're calling me a chink?

You're officially on notice Hasney.

[RoXer]

Do you know what that means?

Because I don't.

[Emperor Smeat]

Here comes the first real bad news about the PS4 and unlike the no BC with PS3 games, this one involves PSN itself.

Sony has confirmed that purchases made on the PlayStation 3 will not carry over to the PlayStation 4 once it launches.

Shuhei Yoshida revealed that the insides of the PlayStation 4 are just too different to the PlayStation 3 to support any sort of crossover, and also that Sony wishes to avoid using up the system’s power with emulation software.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/psn-purchases-will-not-carry-over-to-playstation-4/

According to Destructoid, Sony stats they have the ability to honor those purchases through their cloud service but won't guarantee it nor guarantee all the games that was on PSN for PS3 will show up on PS4.
http://www.destructoid.com/psn-purchases-will-not-carry-over-to-ps4-update--246229.phtml


For comparisons with Nintendo, the 3DS didn't allow everything from DSiware to be transferable at launch but the wait wasn't too long (a month?) while everything from the Wii was transferable but only could be playable within the "virtual Wii" and not as part of the Wii U.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony has another plan to deal with the lack of backwards compatibility and it involves continuing the HD re-release and remake series but this time including PS3 games.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-talks-about-possibly-re-releasing-ps3-games-for-ps4-246252.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

That's not BC it's just re-selling the games. I don't think that's what people wanted and why the fuck is nobody grilling them on that?

[Emperor Smeat]

The developer for The Witness clarifies some info regarding its timed exclusive status as it only towards console versions. The PC and iOS version is planned to be released the same day as the PS4 version.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/the-witness-may-launch-on-pc-and-ios-alongside-ps4/


Sony once again confirms DualShock 3 controllers are not compatible at all with the PS4 even though they share the same Bluetooth capabilities as the PS4 controller. Once cloud-based PS3 games start arriving for the PS4, only the DualShock 4 controller and PS Move can be used.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/playstation-4-wont-support-dualshock-3-controllers/


Sony also revealed more specs that were either ignored or briefly stated during the announcement show. According to other places, the "Jaguar" is the slowest of the major core type processors and had to be used for cost reasons (other ones range in the $1000 to $2000 to be used).

The actual HDD size and number of USB ports might still be undecided although its rumored a 500 GB HDD would be used initially.
CPU: single-chip custom processor, x86-64 AMD 8 Core “Jaguar”
GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon-based graphics engine
Memory: 8GB GDDR5
6X Blu-Ray Drive, 8X DVD
Built-in HDD
HDMI and Analog-AV
USB 3.0
Gigabit Ethernet port, 802.11 B/G/N built-in WiFi. Plus Support for Bluetooth 2.1

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/sony-reveals-official-playstation-4-specs/


Sony also announced PS4 game prices will not top $60 and no need to worry about a new "HD" tax similar to the current gen when it arrived.
http://www.destructoid.com/playstation-4-games-will-range-from-0-99-up-to-60-246386.phtml

[Kalyx triaD]

Why is the controllers a big deal? People think mapping a PS4 controller for PS3 games would be hard? It's 99% same ffs.

[dronepool]

I got my PS3 in 2008 but I'll end up getting PS4, just not right away.

[The Rogerer]

That's not BC it's just re-selling the games. I don't think that's what people wanted and why the fuck is nobody grilling them on that?Because I accepted 6 years ago that BC wasn't going to be likely with the PS4

[dronepool]

Because I accepted 6 years ago that BC wasn't going to be likely with the PS4

Also because it's optional and we already expect greed from a company.

[Kane Knight]

That's not BC it's just re-selling the games. I don't think that's what people wanted and why the fuck is nobody grilling them on that?

It is just re-selling games, but wasn't that what was advertised on the tin?

Because I accepted 6 years ago that BC wasn't going to be likely with the PS4

Also because it's optional and we already expect greed from a company.

Also, because fewer people care about backwards compatibility than seems to be the common wisdom.

[The Rogerer]

If you accept backwards compatibility now, then what happens when you have to release the PS5 which combines the PS1 emulation, the PS2 emotion engine, the PS3 cell and the PS4's architecture? what about the PS6? Their job is to make the system that makes the most sense now.

[Kane Knight]

Their job is to make the system that makes the most sense now.
:lol:

[The Rogerer]

The definition of that right now would to build an Unreal Engine 4 machine.

[Kane Knight]

The definition of that right now would to build an android os machine.

[Kane Knight]

Possibly iOS instead.

[The Rogerer]

The average gamer is a 40 year old woman and the industry is bigger than Hollywood and zzzz

[Tom Guycott]

If you accept backwards compatibility now, then what happens when you have to release the PS5 which combines the PS1 emulation, the PS2 emotion engine, the PS3 cell and the PS4's architecture? what about the PS6? Their job is to make the system that makes the most sense now.

The BC problem is that they used it as a MAJOR selling point to get people to buy a PS2.

There, the base question was "Why would I update to a PS2 when I already have a perfectly good Playstation? Oh, I can play the shit I already got? Cool!" The true boon in that release was the out-of-the-box DVD playing ability, since it was like getting a "free" DVD player, since at the time, they were about as much as just getting a PS2, which could then also play all your old Playstation games AND any new ones. Instant gold.

Sony tried to make lightning strike twice with PS3, pimping it instead as a "free" Blu-Ray from jump... but this wasn't the same era as the DVD boom. Most people aren't as hardcore about "the best picture". In this case, it was more "DVD works fine. But it might be worth my while if I can play all my PS2 games that I already own..." That somehow turned out to be a fiasco for Sony, who somehow decided that a major selling point for their previous system could somehow just be swept under the rug for the current one. Who cares if it can play PS1 games? Most people getting a PS3 are upgrading from a PS2. Can't afford them the same luxury again, huh?

The "resell in HD" is lazy and greedy. Having the OPTION to buy something you already may own again is a nice feature, and if it is good enough/loved enough, it is possibly worth doing (hell, I OWN Symphony of the Night for PS1 and still downloaded it on my XBOX) but making it MANDITORY is just stupid. Especially from the company that set the standard in making home consoles backwards compatable. Pretty sure people don't like being FORCED to buy something more than once... especially if they didn't lose it or have it stolen.


Nintendo actually got this one right with their handhelds... pretty much every generation had a stop-gap for the previous gen cart and the newer one, and only did away with them on re-designs of the same system later in its cycle. Game Boy Color could play original GB titles, the Advance could play GBC (and by extention, original carts) until the relase of the Advance SP, the DS did away with the older Game Boy playability, but kept the Advance for awhile. Pretty sure they continued this trend with the DSi and the 3DS, but I still use my original tank DS/Advance Wars Dual Strike combo to accomplish any time passing needed). They lead in with people being able to use the older stuff, then get people addicted to the new. Then, they tie THAT format to the newest system, and then get people on the new format. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Sony, on the other hand, seems content with the strategy of "LOOK HOW POWERFUL OUR NEW (X) IS!!!" ... and ignore anyone who ever had anything for their previous forray. It almost smacks of "Oh, hey, you like our PS3? Well fuck you, we're on PS4 now. Catch up." Meanwhile, average Joe Q. Consumer (who isn't to be confused with Mr. Early Adopter) is weighing what they already have and spent on his game library against an upgrade. If you can't play what you already own from jump, and Sony doesn't subsidize that with a true first party must-have killer app, that guy is going to wait for a system price drop. And that guy is a larger market than the one who just has to be the first kid on his block to own the next hot thing.

Sony doesn't NEED to emulate PS1 shit. Too old. PS2 is even questionable at this point... but PS3 would make sense. You're asking people to fork over launch price money because a couple of cool looking vids and supposedly better controller. What about people who have "yellow lighted" systems (hardware failure is still a thing, even after the slim redesign). What about people who don't have Bill Gates money? Would be nice just to woo them to the new console instead of asking them to either buy another PS3 or just start all over again on a PS4.

[The Rogerer]

Having the OPTION to buy something you already may own again is a nice feature, and if it is good enough/loved enough, it is possibly worth doing (hell, I OWN Symphony of the Night for PS1 and still downloaded it on my XBOX) but making it MANDITORY is just stupid.I don't know what you mean here. Do you know what the word mandatory means. It means you literally must do it. How is someone being forced to rebuy something? You couldn't play your PS1 SotN on the Xbox, so are you saying you were FORCED to pay for it to play it on the Xbox?

Your "Average Joe Consumer" will have traded in most of his PS3 games, and will have gotten bored of the other ones, or won't be playing the old CoD because people will be playing the new CoD.

It's not the average joe that cares about backwards compatibility, it's the geek who has to ferry their precious game collection. I've been there and it was a constant source of anxiety. Oh, my wife will probably be dead by 2060 but as long as I don't have to spend £3 to rebuy Bishi Bashi Special it will all be okay. It's funny how you're ready to abandon PS1 and PS2 stuff now, aren't you confirming that it's all disposable anyway? What makes the PS3 stuff any more valuable.

Also I lose you again with your last sentence of "Asking them to buy another PS3", if they've had a hardware failure? If they've had a hardware failure out of warranty, how is that different to any other product in the history of mankind? Bill Gates money, you're having a laugh. Consoles aren't that expensive. Even the PS3 wasn't as expensive as it seemed at the time. The 6+ years of Xbox Live Gold add up but none of them break the bank.

The emphasis on multiplayer this generation makes the games more disposable than ever. Some people may have been worried about their PS1 games at the time, but that's a combination of things.

Sony is financially in the shit and adding PS3 hardware to the PS4 would be expensive and obtrusive as fuck. PS are ridiculously generous with their PSN network and you may find that it's easier to play PS3 stuff than you think.

I'm at the point now where I start to think the sane thing for an individual to do is let go of stuff. Hoarding product makes us ill. The desire to have the physical object makes people do strange things.

[Tommy Gunn]

I don't care if PS4 can't play my PS3 games, because I HAVE a PS3.

Although, I am interested to know if my trophies will carry over in some form with my PSN account.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Obviously you're fucked if you bought a lot of digital games though once they eventually switch off PSN for PS3s.

[Kalyx triaD]

Wouldn't the games still work, just no multiplayer servers?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Wouldn't the games still work, just no multiplayer servers?

You wouldn't be able to reobtain them if the hard drive goes. If you've got disc games, you can just replace the disc/console by buying a new one, but if then console goes, you wouldn't be able to login and re-download the games.

[Kalyx triaD]

Xbox owners may have a similar fate, but the hope is there will be new stuff to keep us busy. If I can't play certain 360 games on the next Xbox I'll just keep an old one around and healthy.

[The Rogerer]

You wouldn't be able to reobtain them if the hard drive goes. If you've got disc games, you can just replace the disc/console by buying a new one, but if then console goes, you wouldn't be able to login and re-download the games.There's also a problem if you die, you might not be able to reclaim your PSN account in the afterlife.

[The Rogerer]

In all seriousness, there becomes a point in the future where replicating the PS3 is trivial. It's just not now. Also they're still producing PS3s. Also life is precious and your possessions end up owning you.

[Kane Knight]

Replicating the PS3 is trivial anyway. Most people don't give a shit about BC anyway.

[Savio]

I LOVE that my PS3 is BC

[Kane Knight]

I'm glad. The question remains: so fucking what?

[Tommy Gunn]

The one thing I hate about this generation is games that are tied to one account with online passes etc. You can't take a game round to a friends house like we all did as kids, without having to re-download stuff on their console using your user account.

I understand why they do it, but it's lame.

[Kane Knight]

The one thing I hate about this generation is games that are tied to one account with online passes etc. You can't take a game round to a friends house like we all did as kids, without having to re-download stuff on their console using your user account.

I understand why they do it, but it's lame.

An online pass is a few Kb. Downloading something like that should be the least of your concerns.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah moving accounts around, at least for XBL, got smoothed out and it isn't the problem it was before.

[Savio]

The one thing I hate about this generation is games that are tied to one account with online passes etc. You can't take a game round to a friends house like we all did as kids, without having to re-download stuff on their console using your user account.

I understand why they do it, but it's lame.The worst thing about this Gen is the over use of DLC. Especially if its already on disc.

[Kane Knight]

Furthermore, a whopping 47 percent said they are not at all confident that ESRB ratings will "keep mature games out of the reach of kids," yet 38 percent claimed they knew nothing about videogame ratings and 33 percent said they just let their kids play whatever they want.

From a Harris Poll, via the Escapist.

In short: Americans are fucking stupid.

[Kane Knight]

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[drave]

Stupid about what, as it pertains to their "poll"?

[Kalyx triaD]

Stupid in that they're ignorant of a system designed to help them alleviate their key concern.

[drave]

Kinda like rated R movies and explicit lyrical content, right?

:|

[Kalyx triaD]

Well do people think Hollywood isn't doing enough to shield kids from R movies while not knowing about the rating system and even still letting their kids watch whatever they wanted? That would be similar.

[LoDownM]

Shout out to the FF9 music in the background.

[Kalyx triaD]

I wrote rap lyrics to the Zorn/Thorn theme. It was extremely silly.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sony they haven't finished designing the PS4 yet which is why it wasn't shown during last week's debut show. They are still undecided on some of the smaller specs and physical features of the console.

Even the controller took a while to finalize with the boss of Sony saying it was only ready to be presentable a day before the show.
http://www.screwattack.com/news/playstation-4-design-has-yet-be-finalized


They also announced every PS4 game that has a physical/retail version will also have a digital version available on the same day.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/every-playstation-4-title-will-be-available-as-a-digital-download/


Finally they are considering a tier or subscription-based system with the PS4 although as of now its only considered as a "dream" and wouldn't be ready when the PS4 launches.

"As more and more services and contents become available digitally, we'll have more of an option to create attractive packages. So hypothetically we can look at different models -- like a cable TV company. We could have gold, silver or platinum levels of membership, something like that. We can do subscription services when we have more content -- especially now that we have the Gaikai technology available. With one subscription you have access to thousands of games -- that's our dream."

http://www.destructoid.com/subscription-supported-ps4-is-sony-s-dream--246899.phtml

[Kane Knight]

Stupid in that they're ignorant of a system designed to help them alleviate their key concern.

Nailed it in one.

"We don't believe that this system will keep M rated games out of the hands of kids."

"We let our kids play whatever they want."

...wot

Shout out to the FF9 music in the background.

Jim uses that in every episode, for the record.

[LoDownM]

Don't watch his stuff regularly, or at all.

[Kane Knight]

Just sayin'

[Kane Knight]

There's a lot of coverage on the Ps3 so I may have missed it, but they're saying games purchased online are going to be 50 GB.

...I don't think they thought this through.

[Kalyx triaD]

Those better be very big HDDs.

[Kane Knight]

Even still, much of the Western world has to contend with bandwidth caps. I don't know about Japan or Asia, but North America and at least to some extent Europe has to contend with this. And the US is one of their meat and potato markets.

[LoDownM]

I have a pretty large cap, think it's 250gb per month, but still, in a release heavy month, all I'd be able to do is download the games and not use any internet.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Even still, much of the Western world has to contend with bandwidth caps. I don't know about Japan or Asia, but North America and at least to some extent Europe has to contend with this. And the US is one of their meat and potato markets.

We're still mostly OK here as long as its not mobile internet. There's so much competition from ISP's that it stops the company's on being overly restrictive because they know they can go elsewhere.

Nuts how much America has to put up with because so many markets are almost single provider.

[Kane Knight]

We are a nation that hates competition, even though we pretend we love it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yes this.

[Emperor Smeat]

Turns out there actually is a "block used games" option possible on the PS4 although Sony states it is up to publishers to enable the option for their games. Sony themselves have said they will not use this option for their games.

GameSpot asked Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida in a quickfire Q&A not if PS4 would block used games but whether second hand games will require an activation code on the console.

His answer: “It's a publisher decision. We are not talking about it. Sorry.”

Now, this could mean two things. One, that publishers are obviously free to step up their existing online pass strategies to block more – or possibly all – game content from those who buy a pre-owned game without a code.

The second option is that Sony HAS incorporated tech into the PS4 that allows publishers to distinguish between new and pre-owned games. It’s then up to them if they choose to utilise it.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pre-owned-games-block-on-ps4-is-a-publisher-decision/0111344

[Kalyx triaD]

That's a smart move.

[Tommy Gunn]

I don't get why they want to stamp out the used games trade. I thought they combated that by removing content from the base game and including it as a DLC code in the box, or bought on the network if you have a used copy for extra moneys.

[drave]

I don't get why they want to stamp out the used games trade. I thought they combated that by removing content from the base game and including it as a DLC code in the box, or bought on the network if you have a used copy for extra moneys.

If they do go after it, the main reason is because of profit. When someone buys a used title, only the retailer profits.

It sucks that this is the way things appear to be going, but with the rising cost of creating new games I can see why they are doing it. :(

[Kalyx triaD]

What I wanna see is more integration of game exclusive apps like Battlefield and Halo hubs in the game. Keep the website and mobile app versions, but put them in the game as well. Special community destinations for stat tracking and such are on the rise so I want that easier to get to.

This is the generation of no excuses for me. More than ever I don't wanna hear what can't be done due to 'technical limitations'. That shit let companies off on player counts, framerates, multiplayer, and many other things this generation. Fuck that.

[Kane Knight]

I don't get why they want to stamp out the used games trade. I thought they combated that by removing content from the base game and including it as a DLC code in the box, or bought on the network if you have a used copy for extra moneys.

Which, really, is an attempt to stamp out the used game trade.

Anyway, out of context quote is out of context and likely refers to online passes in the first place.

[Kane Knight]

Anyway, as long as Gamestop is a retailing titan, attempts to stamp out used gaming is fucking adorable, nothing more.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[LoDownM]

Going off that guys username, lets start a "DayZ confirmed for PS4" rumor.

[Savio]

Daisey

[Kalyx triaD]

I'd love to see more persistent world games on next gen anyway. More MMOs and stuff like DayZ and Destiny.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to UStream, they are not in an exclusive agreement with Sony for just the PS4 and states their goal is to provide the same type of service and features to both current and next gen consoles.

Unless Microsoft states the next Xbox can provide the same service on launch day, most likely the PS4 gets the service first while UStream works on being available for other platforms.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/28/ustream-on-consoles-not-exclusive-to-ps4?abthid=512fcda2aa1437f210000012

[Kalyx triaD]

That would be incredible. I'd for it to be exclusive to PS4.

[Drakul]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18g0liedc8ntpjpg/original.jpg

Anybody else think that guy looks stoned out of his gourd?

[Kalyx triaD]

Must have been to have been playing Knack when his profile was viewed.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sony, they are giving developers full control over the Share button with the sole ability to determine which parts of a game can and can't be shared.

Thankfully, according to an interview with Shuhei Yoshida conducted by Japan's 4Gamer.net (and translated by Edge), our delicate eyes and ears might be safe from the corrupting influence of information excess. During the conversation, Yoshida indicated that Sony is handing over control of the Dual Shock 4's Share button to developers.

The idea is that developers will be able to lock out the feature during moments they don't want shared online. Final boss fights, key plot moments, and even special easter eggs could be subject to the freeze depending on what's desired from the studio.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/06/sony-giving-developers-control-over-share-button.aspx

[Kane Knight]

Most of the moments you'd want to share will likely be locked out.

Hooray!

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well, that's actually quite understandable, at least if it's blocked sensibly, i.e. for keeping people from sharing major spoilers or whatever. :-\

[Emperor Smeat]

According to reports and semi-confirmed by Sony themselves, all PS4 games will be mandated to include PS Vita support with Remote Play so far being the only thing mandated. Games that require a camera will be excluded from the mandate.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/digital-foundry-says-ps4-games-require-remote-play-ps-vita

[Kalyx triaD]

So what happens with L1/R1?

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd assume the same that was done with the PSP in regards to remote play of PS3 games.

People already are assuming the PS4's front touchpad controls would just be mapped to the back touchpad of the Vita.

[The Rogerer]

I'd assume the same that was done with the PSP in regards to remote play of PS3 games.

People already are assuming the PS4's front touchpad controls would just be mapped to the back touchpad of the Vita.It was put to the analog stick on PS1 games, but I don't think you could play PS3 games on the PSP. They could get away with it because a PS1 game could always use the d-pad so you could map the nub to perform the shoulder buttons. Presumably they'd have to make the back panel support the shoulder buttons as well.

[Tommy Gunn]

At least it looks like they are making the Vita an optional extra as opposed to MS trying to force a Kinect on everyone.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Er, they didn't really have a choice in that. I don't think they could afford to give away a Vita with every console unless it came in at $599 again.

If I get a PS4, I will probably get a Vita now though. Using off-TV play on my Wii U is just brilliant.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony announces Free-to-play MMOs Planetside 2 and DC Universe Online will both be getting a free-to-play PS4 version although offered no details in regards to potential (or any) cross-platform play being included.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/planetside-2-dc-universe-online-coming-to-ps4/


Digital Extremes announces Free-to-play Warframe will also be getting a PS4 version and will be a launch title for the console.
http://www.destructoid.com/free-to-play-warframe-will-be-a-ps4-launch-title-255381.phtml

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Other than PS+ being mandatory for online, the good news just kept on rolling. No horrific anti-consumer bullshit like on XBone, $100 and a more powerful console. That's a pretty tasty recipe.

Yoshida confirmed a couple more sexy details on Twitter too


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>And yes, PS4 is region free :D</p>&mdash; Shuhei Yoshida (@yosp) <a href="https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344357778288152576">June 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>And yes, PS4's HDD is upgradable like PS3 &lt;3</p>&mdash; Shuhei Yoshida (@yosp) <a href="https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344364530333274112">June 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

Sony explained some of the reasoning behind why they are charging for online multiplayer on the PS4.

Its due to both the rising costs of running PSN and the current PS+ program wasn't enough to cover those costs/losses. They also had to decide between potential dropping a few features or having everyone pay for multiplayer in order to keep PSN the way it is now.

“If we keep giving away online access for free, the natural pressure is that we have to cut down on the cost to provide this free service. But that’s conflicting with our goal of being able to provide very robust and great online services going forward. So we decided that on PS4, because we want to continue to invest and improve our new services, we’ve asked the most engaged consumers in the online activities to share the burden with us so that we can continue to invest.”

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/playstation-4-online-multiplayer-fee-will-be-used-to-fund-improvements/

[Kalyx triaD]

Online gaming is not magic. Pay up.

[OssMan]

I'm gonna miss the days of friends lists and game invites

[Kane Knight]

Online gaming is not magic. Pay up.

Is anyone actually claiming otherwise?

[Kalyx triaD]

Yes, but not this moment.

Every time I read some comment online about somebody being bewildered at the idea of paying for online play. It's been a key subject in fanboy wars. It has decided console purchases. All this generation I've read pompous ass after pompous ass either damn Microsoft for making XBL Gold premium, or praise Sony for having free online play. And all this time I'm thinking; yo, this isn't splitscreen or even system link - there's a lot of shit going on under the hood.

But I wasn't putting anyone on blast in here if that's what you were you thinking.

[Kane Knight]

There's a lot going on under the hood, so let's monetise it even though we clearly could run the model previously without it. I'm betting we will see the "need" from a lot of publishers still providing free PC online.

Though Sony's online always kinda sucked. I'd hate to see what a stripped down version would look like.

[Kalyx triaD]

XBL was better than PSN for a reason, I'd like to think a premium cost was a big factor. As I was just saying on FB, now Sony can catch up and have something to rival XBL.

Of course a lot of PSN's issues weren't budgetary as they were just bad design but that can be improved with time.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It wasn't cost, it was hardware. Things like party chat couldn't be done because Sony didn't reserve enough for the background.

A lot of this sharing stuff is going to free services rather than Sony servers, so it seems a bit disingenuous to call those out as costing. Hell, they should be behind a pay wall then instead of online multilayer if that's the case.

I do kind of love PS+ though. The free games are insane on PS3 and Vita and although the PS4 ones will be indie games for a bit (and Drive Club being a special plus edition doesn't count), if you own all the Sony systems, it pays for itself.

[Kalyx triaD]

The games they give out never tickle my fancy.

[The Rogerer]

They just put on Xcom yesterday so your fancy is rubbish.

[Kalyx triaD]

:(

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Not to mention Jet Set Radio, Final Fantasy Tactics, Gravity Rush, Demon's Souls, ICO/Shadow of the Colossus HD, Kingdoms of Amalur, Sleeping Dogs, Okami and Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. That's just in 2013 so far alone for $40 a year.

[Kalyx triaD]

Probably wouldn't play any of those. My habits are filled with hadokens.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Well they had Mortal Kombat :shifty:

[Kalyx triaD]

HADOKENS DAMMIT, I NEED HADOKENS

[thecc]

They had super street fighter IV: ae up there awhile ago.

[Kane Knight]

XBL was better than PSN for a reason, I'd like to think a premium cost was a big factor.


And the fact that it's nothing more than what you'd like to think is evidently irrelevant.

[Fignuts]

I wish Chad Warden would come back and post videos about how much better Sony is. Those were great.

[Requiem]

Not to mention Jet Set Radio, Final Fantasy Tactics, Gravity Rush, Demon's Souls, ICO/Shadow of the Colossus HD, Kingdoms of Amalur, Sleeping Dogs, Okami and Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. That's just in 2013 so far alone for $40 a year.

Hate that I missed most of those. like 80% of those are fucking awesome. No idea what Jet Set or Gravity Rush are. Others are worth PS+ for those alone.


They just put Uncharted 3 and some others up. Hell, I'm playing Infamous 2 right now from my free download.


(I JUST got PS+ so I'm finally getting to do this cool stuff)


The great thing about the free games is that as long as you 'purchased' them when they were free (as in, you just downloaded them while free and it marked them as purchased) you have access to them as long as you have PS+. They just took Infamous 2 off I'm pretty sure, but since I 'purchased' it before they did, I can always download/play it, which is what I did.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sony, free-to-play games can be exemption from needing a PS+ subscription to play online although its all up to the publisher's decision to do so. Sony already states Planetside 2 and DC Universe will not need it.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/not-all-online-services-will-require-ps-plus-subscription-ps4

[Tommy Gunn]

I'm more than happy to become a permanent plus subscriber, I've had it for a year and I have about 30 games on my HDD I payed £30 for, and there's still months left till I have to renew.

During the time I had a 360 I felt incredibly ripped off that they kept the IE, netflix, on-demand apps, basically every online feature behind the LIVE pay wall. Greedy sods.

[Kalyx triaD]

It seems very stupid to limit Netflix access when you had a premium subscription to it. Using EI on a TV screen is stupid and non-point so I didn't mind. But is you're gonna lock Netflix behind Gold, then having Gold should have automatically granted you netflix streaming. Just seemed very strange. We have a smart TV that goes right to Netflix but I can see how dumb the system was on 360.

[Kane Knight]

It seems very stupid to limit Netflix access when you had a premium subscription to it. Using EI on a TV screen is stupid and non-point so I didn't mind. But is you're gonna lock Netflix behind Gold, then having Gold should have automatically granted you netflix streaming. Just seemed very strange. We have a smart TV that goes right to Netflix but I can see how dumb the system was on 360.

Pry open your wallet bitch, that shit ain't free.

[Kane Knight]

Microsoft has the better Netflix service. I'd like to think it's because it's locked behind a paywall.

[Kalyx triaD]

If it streams it streams. Now that I think about it, since Netflix menu on XBL got Kinectified, it became slower. Stupid. The smart TV Netflix pretty much looks like the Wii version.

[Kane Knight]

I honestly haven't used Netflix on the Xbox since my old Xbox RRODed and I tried the PS3 version. I like the PS interface. It's a shame they keep feeling the need to update it, though. I like the new one slightly less. Yes, let's start things up with letterboxing over the film so if you're watching a foreign movie the subtitles are blocked.

It's like they knew the system was fine, so they needed to fuck it up.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah Sony's constant modifying was strange. This whole generation was strange.

[Kane Knight]

No argument here.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Wii U has the best Netflix purely because of using the controller as a visual remote.

It does mean you have to own a Wii U, however.

[Tommy Gunn]

I prefer Netflix on PS3, it just lets you chill and browse, and read up on films before opening them. On 360 if I selected a film to look at the synopsis it would just autoplay everything I touched, so annoying.

Haven't tried it on Wii U yet.

[Kane Knight]

Wii U has the best Netflix purely because of using the controller as a visual remote.

It does mean you have to own a Wii U, however.

Which is enough to negate any benefit.

I prefer Netflix on PS3, it just lets you chill and browse, and read up on films before opening them. On 360 if I selected a film to look at the synopsis it would just autoplay everything I touched, so annoying.

Haven't tried it on Wii U yet.

Don't worry. Sony will manage to make that change, too.

[Emperor Smeat]

PS4 rumored to be launching on November 21.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/rumor-playstation-4-launching-november-21st/


Sony confirms cross-game chat is arriving on the PS4.
http://www.destructoid.com/cross-game-chat-finally-coming-to-playstation-4-256478.phtml

[ClockShot]

Note to self: take a PH on November 22nd.

[road doggy dogg]

Mmmm only 5 months away. I can't wait

[Savio]

In their new stupid commercial what game series are they talking about? I know the first one is about the lbp series, and a later one is inFamous......don't know the other ones though

[Kalyx triaD]

Just overblown promises in general.

[Purgatory]

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-gamers-can-stream-ps3-titles-starting-next-year-1158049

Ah, no backwards compatibility after all :(

[Purgatory]

I guess I'll be holding on to my older systems after all.

[Requiem]

Yeah, that's been known since practically the beginning of major announcements.

[Kane Knight]

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-gamers-can-stream-ps3-titles-starting-next-year-1158049

Ah, no backwards compatibility after all :(

They've been pretty up front with that and the listed streaming service.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah some thing about playing older games with cloud streaming or whatever.

[Kane Knight]

CLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUD

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Sony, the light bar on the PS4 can not be turned off and always has to be on regardless if its being used or not.

They were asked the question on Twitter involving if it was possible to turn it off in order to save battery power.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/playstation-4-dualshock-4-light-bar-cant-be-turned-off/


Sony also recently reapplied for their "Playstation TV" trademark which has the potential of including the PS4 for its services as part of their current plans to expand their media services.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/sony-files-trademark-for-playstation-tv/

[Kane Knight]

That's an odd choice.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Eurogamer, Sony fibbed a bit when it came to why the PS4 has 8GB of RAM.

Sony stated they went from the initial 4 GB to the current 8GB to "appease" developers but instead turns out the real reason is due to the new OS reserves 3.5 GBs for its own use. It also ends up being around half a GB more than the Xbox One which has 3GB reserved.

The OS is speculated to be a bit flexible and could give up some of its RAM in the future but only once Sony has the OS complete and optimized.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory

[Emperor Smeat]

A few non-gaming stuff was revealed by Sony during a recent Q&A event.

* The cap limit for a Friend List was revealed to be 2,000 friends possible. For comparison, the current limit on the PS3 is 100 friends possible.
* Party Chat will be a free service to everyone and won't be tied to a Playstation Plus membership.
* While there is a requirement for PS4 games to support Remote Play for the Vita, there is none for using the Vita as an optional controller. Developers have to decide and code on their own the ability to do such a thing for certain PS4 games.

http://www.destructoid.com/add-2-000-of-your-closest-friends-on-playstation-4-258958.phtml
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/using-vita-as-a-ps4-controller-requires-devs-to-specifically-program-such-an-option/

Unlike the mandatory requirement for games to have Remote Play capabilities for the Vita, the ability to use the Vita as an optional controller The ability to use the Vita as an optional controller has to be specifically coding into games since there is no requirement nor

[Emperor Smeat]

For those in Europe and haven't pre-ordering the system, Sony states to retailers that pre-orders made starting today are not guaranteed to be honored when the console launches in November.

Retailer Shopto posted the following message on its website: ”Sony have confirmed all PlayStation 4 pre-orders placed from 6th August will now not be guaranteed for launch. You can still pre-order PS4 with us in case we receive cancellations and can fulfill your order for launch.”

Amazon.co.uk followed with their own message shortly after: ”Please note – due to high demand, orders placed for the PlayStation 4 console from 6th August may be received after release date. We will ship orders as soon as we receive sufficient inventory.”
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/european-playstation-4-pre-orders-no-longer-guaranteed-for-launch-from-today/

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Unlike XBone that needs Gold to record, stream and share video, PS4 will not need PS+ to do it.

[Tommy Gunn]

I'm mostly looking forward to the face-off analysis of all the third party games to determine whether developers are still programming for Xbox and then doing inferior ports for PS, or whether PS gamers will finally be getting an equal experience.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm mostly looking forward to the face-off analysis of all the third party games to determine whether developers are still programming for Xbox and then doing inferior ports for PS, or whether PS gamers will finally be getting an equal experience.

That was all Sony's own doing with the ps3 with it's architecture. Now they're both even on that front, can't see why ps4 won't have the better ports.

[Kalyx triaD]

I hope something comes along that gets me to buy a PS4, I really do. Nothing comes to mind so far.

[Kane Knight]

That was all Sony's own doing with the ps3 with it's architecture. Now they're both even on that front, can't see why ps4 won't have the better ports.

And towards the end that edge started to be lost.

Not to mention we did see a slight rise in games initially designed with PC as the primary. I'm curious as to whether we'll see a rise in that with similar architecture.

Of course, one of the industry bigs commented on that and said that despite their similarities, the three won't be all that easy to work together with, so....I don't know.

But yeah, it's up in the air, but at least Sony didn't shoot itself in the foot AT THE STARTING LINE.

I wonder if it'll even show that much this gen. But that goes back to how compatible they are, I guess.

[Tommy Gunn]

I'm sure I read an interview somewhere where a developer said they COULD have programmed perfect ps3 ports, but it would take double the development time so they knowingly released inferior ports instead. Lazy cunts.

[Kalyx triaD]

Double development time means more cost. And PS3 ports just barely beat out 360 versions. So yeah, I wouldn't waste that extra time either.

[Kane Knight]

I'm sure I read an interview somewhere where a developer said they COULD have programmed perfect ps3 ports, but it would take double the development time so they knowingly released inferior ports instead. Lazy cunts.

In an industry where people are complaining that a game needs five million units to be a success and studios are getting shut down for only selling "good" numbers? That's not lazy.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony states they will be revealing the release date along with some other launch-related details during this week's Gamescom expo.

In a recent post on the PlayStation Blog, Sony outlined what they plan on showing at the upcoming event in Cologne, Germany. A portion of the post read, “We’ll kick off the show at 18:00 BST on 20 August 2013 with a briefing to media on our release plans for PlayStation 4, as well as updates on PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita.”
http://www.screwattack.com/news/sony-discuss-ps4-release-plans-upcoming-gamescom

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Launches November 15th in the US/Canada and November 29th in Europe.

[Mooияakeя™]

Just a different power supply? No region codes etc?

1) Gonna buy it cheaper elsewhere
2) Why wait another 2 weeks in another continent.

In this modern world, can always be done altogether. Unless they wanna see what bugs come first from complete gameplay. NA = lab rats.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It's more to do with supply of consoles and marketing. I think MS are planning to launch the same day in the US and Europe, but no date yet and they've just axed a load of the European countries they're launching in too and pushing them back to 2014.

[Kane Knight]

Remember when the reason for exclusion was the mandatory online shit that's no longer an issue?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yup, now it's just 'translation', but some of those countries excluded speak English primarily.

There's some rumour that it's actually an issue that they're not getting a good enough yield on the chips they're producing, so there might be very limited stock even in the countries they do launch in. Will be very interesting to see the shipping numbers of both consoles launches.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://i.imgur.com/Whv45Zt.png

They also said at the conference that they've not backtracked on their vision unlike other companies.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yoshida sits in his pimp chair as he shows off the PS4 UI.

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[Kane Knight]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/20/gamescom-2013-sony-announces-ps3-to-ps4-game-upgrade-program

Pretty cool.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Jack Trenton, the PS4 being initially cheaper than the Xbox One doesn't guarantee long term future success for the PS4.
“I think ultimately the gamer looks at ten-year product lifecycles: they look at the software offerings and they look at the value proposition,” he told Bloomberg. ”The lowest priced system isn’t always the most successful, but being cheaper than your competition is never a bad thing.”
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/tretton-cheaper-playstation-4-retail-price-does-not-ensure-success/


Polyphony Digital states its a strong possibility that Gran Turismo 6 could end up skipping the PS4 or "evolve" by a lot to become Gran Turismo 7 instead.
Polyphony Digital CEO Kazunori Yamauchi has stated that Gran Turismo 6 could evolve into Gran Turismo 7 by the time it sees a release on PlayStation 4.

He reiterated during a Gamescom panel that the team has an idea for the PlayStation 4 version of the game in mind, but it could take some time to arrive. Yamauchi added that there is a distinct possibility that it could be called Gran Turismo 7 by then.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/yamauchi-gran-turismo-6-could-evolve-into-gt7-on-playstation-4/

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony states they have recently partnered up with around 21 companies to help produce exclusive games and content for the PS4.

Activision Blizzard – Diablo III content
Atlus
Bethesda Games – The Elder Scrolls Online exclusive PlayStation 4 beta
Bluepoint Games – “Bringing a Sony classic to current game systems”
Bungie – Destiny content
Capcom – Deep Down
Disney Interactive
EA
Insomniac Games
Konami
Level-5
Nordic Games
Rockstar Games
Sanzaru Games
Sega
Square Enix
Sumo Digital
Take-Two
Ubisoft – Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag content, Watch Dogs content
Warner Bros. – Batman: Arkham Origins content
Zindagi Games

http://www.screwattack.com/news/sony-joining-forces-slew-game-companies-bring-exclusive-content-playstation


Sony also states the PS4 does feature the ability for voice recognition support when paired together with an PS Camera which is available as a separate purchase.
"Sony Computer Entertainment can confirm that PlayStation Camera allows for voice recognition and we will look forward to sharing more details in the lead up to the launch of PlayStation 4 on November 29."
http://www.screwattack.com/news/ps4-will-feature-voice-recognition-when-paired-ps-camera

[Mooияakeя™]

No Gremlin, Psygnosis or Core Design :(

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Jack Tretton, Sony is currently working on making sure there is enough PS4s available in reserve to prevent a severe post-launch shortage lasting well into this upcoming holiday period.

“We want to make sure people can buy a PS4 on November 15 (November 29 in Europe) and through the holidays, so we’re holding back some inventory to make sure people will be able to buy one,” he told Fox Business. “We can pre-sell every unit we can manufacture, and the good news is that production yields have been phenomenal. We’re going to work very hard to make sure that every consumer that wants one gets one.”
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/sony-guarding-against-playstation-4-post-launch-sell-out/

[ClockShot]

Hope Jackie Boy keeps his promise. I remember when Gamestop let employees grab the first 2 PS3s their store would get for themselves then #1 in line actually got #3. Then Sony announced they were gonna be short on launch and Gamestop had to give up their 2.

[Emperor Smeat]

The PS4 is currently rumored to not allow gameplay footage to be uploaded to Youtube through the use of the Share Button nor would it allow the use of third party video capturing devices for footage.

While the PS4 has its own internal capture and streaming to Ustream services, there's no word yet on whether Sony's next console will have HDCP regulations, like its predecessor does. PS3 users were able to bypass HDCP by connecting their capture devices through component cables, but the PS4 only has one HDMI port. If HDCP is indeed in place on the PS4—thereby rendering any outside capture cards and devices ineffective on the console—this could spell problems for the world of eSports and YouTube content creators.
http://kotaku.com/you-can-use-video-capture-devices-on-xbox-one-but-what-985846898

[Kalyx triaD]

Damn, hope they sort that out.

[Kane Knight]

Conflicting claims on that. Still, wouldn't shock me.

[dronepool]

Share button doesn't effect me but it's stupid and a waste of button if you can't post it on youtube.

[Kane Knight]

Share button doesn't effect me but it's stupid and a waste of button if you can't post it on youtube.

Considering the HDCP and questionable legality of strippers, this may end up being a big deal for a lot of people. I don't know. I like looking at YouTube footage when I'm not sure about a game.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah damn that kinda sucks. I didn't plan on really using the Share button myself personally but being able to see good quality gameplay feeds of certain things would definitely be nice, on the convenience of Youtube.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony states he current plans for PS3 backwards compatibility are for it to arrive next year although no actual date has been picked yet. Only a select number of titles would be available when its launched though.

Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida has confirmed that Gaikai will offer streaming of PlayStation 3 titles to PlayStation 4 across North America in 2014.

In a post-TGS keynote roundtable, Yoshida stated that a selection of PlayStation 3 titles will be made available at some point next year, and that selection will continue to grow over time. Sony wants to have a decent number of titles available at launch so that people have a selection to browse through, like with Netflix.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/gaikai-to-stream-playstation-3-games-to-playstation-4-in-2014/


Square Enix states those that own Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn will be able to upgrade from the PS3 version to the PS4 version for free. Although there is a catch that once the upgrade is done, only way to go back to the PS3 version is to buy another copy.
Producer Naoki Yoshida told Famitsu that the upgrade will actually be a transfer of log-in rights, and once a player upgrades they will be unable to access the PlayStation 3 version anymore. This means that if you wish to play both versions of the game you will have to buy a second copy.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/upgrade-final-fantasy-xiv-on-playstation-3-to-playstation-4-for-free/


Sony is currently targeting around 5 million PS4s sold as the goal before the end of the fiscal year (March 2014).
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/sony-targeting-5-million-playstation-4-sales-by-march/


Update to the recent rumors involving the PS4's Share Button and game recording as Sony states it will be possible to record using the HDMI port on the PS4 although its possible this feature won't be available at launch.
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-confirms-playstation-4-recording-via-hdmi-262138.phtml


Some details regarding the Upgrade program were revealed by Sony with the biggest announcement being certain games have deadlines to when upgrades can be done.
And they are! If you buy Battlefield 4, Watch Dogs, Call of Duty: Ghosts, or Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag on PS3, you'll be able to get the same title on PS4 for a mere $9.99. Sony has detailed the digital upgrade process today.

Disc-based PS3 versions of those games will include a redeemable code, and you'll also need to keep the discs themselves to play the PS4 versions. However, if you're going the all-digital route by purchasing through the PlayStation Store, there's no code redemption -- the PS4 versions will simply show up on the PS Store with the discounted pricing. That sounds like the way to go.

Another concern was how limited this limited-time promotion would be. The dates to keep track of are: January 31, 2014 (Assassin’s Creed IV and Watch Dogs), March 28 (Battlefield 4), and March 31 (Call of Duty: Ghosts). Redeem your code -- which can be done on PS3, by the way -- and purchase the PS4 versions before those days.
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-details-ps3-to-ps4-game-upgrade-process-262153.phtml

[Emperor Smeat]

Chinese electronic manufacture Foxconn is in big trouble after it was discovered they've been using unpaid workers to help assemble PS4 consoles. Making things worse was these unpaid workers ended up being engineering student interns who were threatened with the inability to graduate as punishment by Foxconn. Some of the students claimed they also had to work overtime and midnight shifts as part of Foxconn's demands.


Per GamesInAisa, the reports state that the students are being forced to work at Foxconn’s Yantai plant under the guise of an ‘internship’.

“Students have been told if they refuse to participate, they lose six course credits, which effectively means they will not be able to graduate,” cites the report via MCV. “Students say that their working hours are exactly the same as regular workers – the only difference is that unlike the workers, the students aren’t being paid”.

Sony told MCV that Foxconn has been found to be fully compliant with its own code of conduct.

“The Sony Group established the ‘Sony Supplier Code of Conduct’ in June 2005 with the expectation of every supplier agreeing and adhering to the policies of the Sony Group in complying with all applicable laws, work ethics, labour conditions, and respect for human rights, environmental conservation and health and safety,” it said in a statement.

“We understand Foxconn fully comprehend and comply with this ‘Sony Supplier Code of Conduct’.”

But according to various reports, the students were assigned to jobs that had no relation to their fields of study, including assembling and packing PS4s.

In a statement issued to Quartz, via CVG, the Chinese manufacturer acknowledged that the engineering students who were assigned to night shifts and overtime was done so in direct violation of the company’s policies.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/10/foxconn-admits-to-overworking-students-on-ps4-assembly-line-immediate-action-taken-to-bring-campus-to-full-compliance/

http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/10/4823796/report-foxconn-chinese-students-forced-to-manufacture-ps4

[Kane Knight]

They're not "in big trouble." This is the same "scandal" that's broke twice before about Foxconn, and you know what happens about it?

Well, they're still doing it. I'll let you fill in the blanks.

Also, this isn't unique to Sony or current gen consoles, though it's posted under PS4. There's a chance your PS3, 360 or PC falls under the same category.

[OssMan]

Is this going to be shitty, and have the system die in a few years with absolutely no way to recover any of the data on it? Cause that's a great feature of the PS3 :y: :y:

[Vietnamese Crippler]

If the hard drive isn't the root cause of the PS3's problem then all your data is there. If you'd bothered to check the 100,000 replies thread I posted an answer to swapping hard drives into a new PS3 :roll:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-to-upgrade-your-playstation-3-hard-drive/1100-6176090/

[Kalyx triaD]

In his defense...

100,000 Replies Thread?

[Vietnamese Crippler]

He asked the question in the same thread... granted I answered 1 or 2 pages later, but still :shifty:

[OssMan]

When you swap a hard drive into another PS3, that PS3 wipes the data on the hard drive. The data on the hard drive is the only thing I care about saving.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Ok, that I didn't know. And it is retarded.

[Emperor Smeat]

Both the retail version and Playstation Plus version of Driveclub are currently rumored to have been delayed till Spring 2014 with the unofficial reason related to scheduling issues.
http://www.screwattack.com/news/rumor-driveclub-may-not-make-ps4-launch-says-mutliple-sources
http://kotaku.com/is-ps4-launch-game-driveclub-delayed-to-2014-1446600232


Sony has released the list of retailers and locations in the US that will be getting playable PS4 demo kiosks. The list is also expected to get expanded once more retailers get included.
Those retailers are Sony Stores, GameStop, Best Buy, Target, and Walmart, with more to come down the line. The games on offer include Knack, Octodad: Dadliest Catch (nice!), FIFA 14, Contrast, Super Motherload, and Pinball Arcade.
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-is-rolling-out-ps4-kiosks-at-select-retailers-263714.phtml

[ClockShot]

Shit, looks like me and the boys are only gonna be playing Call of Duty: Ghosts come launch day.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony confirms DriveClub has been delayed and will miss the PS4 launch window.

Sony's Shuhei Yoshida gave a perfectly reasonable explanation for the delay, noting, "We understand that the delay is disappointing news, but can assure you that the reason we have made this decision is to ensure that when Driveclub launches, it will realize the next-gen racing vision."

Contrast will be offered instead of DriveClub in the form of a PlayStation Plus bonus, so it's not a major loss for non-racing fans.
http://www.destructoid.com/driveclub-has-been-officially-delayed-to-early-2014--263780.phtml

[ClockShot]

Saw the trailer for Contrast today to see what we would be getting and I'm very intrigued. Also heard Elias Toufexis' voice and that's a selling point, too.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Messed about with one today. FIFA and Killzone are exactly as you'd expect, just prettier.

Controller feels good though. Glad I didn't order one, can wait for a price drop or two I think.

EDIT: lol

[Kane Knight]

There are claims going around that Target is cancelling pre-order bundles with delayed games. Seems like a bunch of people are going to be piiiiiiiiiiiiissed.

[Emperor Smeat]

Similar to the Xbox One, the PS4 will also require a Day 1 patch to be downloaded in order to make several features become playable.

The patch will update the firmware to version 1.5 while the actual size of the patch is around 300 MB.

Sony broke down what version 1.50 unlocks on the PlayStation Blog this morning.

Remote Play with Vita
Second screen experiences on other devices
Recording and streaming functionality
Play games as they download
Multiple user log-in
Voice chat
Face recognition with voice commands
Background music player
Online multiplayer
Play Blu-ray and DVD movies
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/ps4-has-important-day-one-firmware-update/1100-4771/

[Kane Knight]

You need a patch to play movies on disc? :wtf:

[Purgatory]

Apparently:-\ Hell that might be why the Xbox one requires the Day One Update as well.

[Kalyx triaD]

Xbox One's day 1 patch was well explained actually.

[Emperor Smeat]

The Playstation blog recently released a huge FAQ list of everything the PS4 will and will not be able to do.

Some of the things listed included mandatory installs for all disc games although they can be playable before the installing is done, won't support the ability to play music from CDs, and around 19 games will be available at launch (for North America).

Also PS4-PS3 cross-platform play is possible but its up to developers to do so.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sony-s-massive-ps4-faq-has-lots-of-details/1100-4774/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Also doesn't play MP3s. You have to sign up to their music unlimited service if you want in game music. Also, external USB storage devices cannot be used at all, even for playing media.

Man, that MP3 bullshit is vintage Sony at their arrogant best. They'll probably change their tune at some point and it will come down with a magical firmware update, but fuck em.

[ClockShot]

Buzzed through that blog and hoping a 1-time gamertag change would be there for PS3-PS4 transition. Sadly, it's not.

*sigh*

[Emperor Smeat]

EA states Ghost Games is currently rushing development on the PS4 version of Need for Speed Rivals in order for the game to be available at launch.
http://www.destructoid.com/finishing-first-nfs-rivals-will-be-out-for-ps4-s-launch-264895.phtml


Spike TV announces they will be hosting a special PS4 event on November 14 with several announcements and details to be revealed during the show.
Geoff Keighley tweeted that we should expect world premieres and announcements from their live show from New York, set for November 11 at 11 p.m.

One of Keighley's Twitter followers asked if this meant new PS4 games. He replied, "Definitely."
http://www.destructoid.com/expect-ps4-reveals-on-november-14-264889.phtml

[ClockShot]

Pre-order Warframe, and you get some free add-on stuff.

It's a free game, btw. No harm in giving it a try.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/11/07/warframe-ps4-pre-order-bonuses-detailed/

[The Rogerer]

Why are we pre-ordering free games

[The Rogerer]

Does the PS4 still play MP4s, AVIs, etc? Deafening silence

[OssMan]

Probly not... seems like developers take away simple useful features "for no reason"

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Does the PS4 still play MP4s, AVIs, etc? Deafening silence

Not at launch. Doesn't even read audio CDs/rip MP3s. BUT YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO MUSIC UNLIMITED FOR MONEY SO YOU CAN HAVE MUSIC WHILE PLAYING!!!

Bullshit move.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sony recently updated the Terms of Use agreement for the PS4 with the biggest being Sony now has the right to monitor and record up to all PSN messages (text and audio) at their sole discretion. As well as the ability to remove any UGM (user-generated media) without needing to inform/notify the user.

The Software Usage Terms specifically apply to Sony and its affiliates monitoring activity in compliance with the law, and that the company can neither watch “all PSN activity” nor has any desire to and makes “no commitment to do so.”

“However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you.

“Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1 Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this.”

Other terms in the EULA also give them the right to sell off that data to third party advertisers similar to Microsoft with the Xbox One.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/new-ps4-terms-of-use-reveal-sony-has-right-to-monitor-almost-all-psn-activity/
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-can-monitor-your-psn-messaging-activity-265400.phtml

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah everything I've heard/read the past couple months is making me happy in my decision to put off buying a new console right away. Future is scary times.

[Kalyx triaD]

I thought it was already like that. Whatever.

[mitchables]

so at the end of the day, for all their championing of how they're not here to screw the consumers like evil giant microsoft, sony's pretty much here to screw the consumers too, right

like, all this music unlimited/no usb/etc stuff - is basically the only thing that the ps4 has over the xbox one that it operates in 1080 as opposed to 720? i read somewhere that xbone would graphically only run at 720p or i or whatever, so i was starting to lean towards the ps4 because if this gen lasts as long as the current, then i'll have to be happy with the graphics for that length of time.


if they're graphically indistinguishable, i think i might stick with an xbox :$

[Kane Knight]

I thought it was already like that. Whatever.

RDD's Canadian. He's still got some expectation of privacy.

[dronepool]

UGM control isn't a big deal at all, can't imagine UGM being a game breaker/annoyance.

[Kane Knight]

so at the end of the day, for all their championing of how they're not here to screw the consumers like evil giant microsoft, sony's pretty much here to screw the consumers too, right

like, all this music unlimited/no usb/etc stuff - is basically the only thing that the ps4 has over the xbox one that it operates in 1080 as opposed to 720? i read somewhere that xbone would graphically only run at 720p or i or whatever, so i was starting to lean towards the ps4 because if this gen lasts as long as the current, then i'll have to be happy with the graphics for that length of time.


if they're graphically indistinguishable, i think i might stick with an xbox :$

The big question is how much will it matter in the long run. Keep in mind there's every possibility developers will build both versions with the same deal in mind, effectively putting only the effort necessary for the inferior graphical version. Of course, the publishers were the ones pushing graphics above all, so maybe the Bone gets shunned in the longer run, or simply gets weaker (at least, graphically) ports.

But yes, the primary difference right now appears to be that one outputs in 1080p natively and the other appears to have problems with it.

Also, there have been complaints of stuttering and framerate issues when the PS4 does 1080p, so it may not be all it's cracked up to be.

And I'd appreciate it if people remember this in a week's time when I say something less than favourable about the Xbone or Microsoft and they are tempted to whine I'm jsut hatin' on the unit.

Of course, my PC will play at higher than 1080p resolution with solid framerate at or around 60 fps (which is all my dated monitor will support anyway) and I can even keep my 360 controllers for the time being, so I was never particularly in the PS4's corner either, but....

The differences are more and more looking to be nil.

[mitchables]

do we know if Microsoft is planning on implementing backwards compatibility down the road a la the ps4? or are they adamant it's not going to happen?

see, my main issues with outright going the ps4 is that I honestly prefer the xbox controller, which is a big part of the play experience, obviously, and my missus is a fan of the fable series, which is xb-exclusive

backwards compatibility isn't actually so much an issue for the xb on my end anyway as I have a working 360; the reason it seems advantageous for sony, to me, comes down to being able to play games such as the last of us and other ps3 exclusives I missed this generation (not gonna buy a ps3 though, or would or prefer not to) :-\

[Emperor Smeat]

Currently in doubt after Microsoft stated it won't be occurring anytime soon and hinted it might not be cloud-based if it does arrive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/08/xbox-one-backwards-compatibility-through-cloud-problematic

[Kane Knight]

see, my main issues with outright going the ps4 is that I honestly prefer the xbox controller, which is a big part of the play experience, obviously, and my missus is a fan of the fable series, which is xb-exclusive

Both good reasons to go PC. :shifty:

Anyway, as SM has covered, there doesn't appear to be plans for BC. I wouldn't hold my breath on it, anyway.

[alvarado52]

Sounds like first wave PS4s are running into some hardware issues, particularly with the HDMI out.

[Kalyx triaD]

Shit happens, launch woes. Day 1 adopters deserve it, imo. Still, things will be ironed out.

[Kane Knight]

Shit happens, launch woes. Day 1 adopters deserve it, imo. Still, things will be ironed out.

It's the idiot tax.

Ps4's also getting some shit reviews for its launch titles.

Which also shouldn't really be surprising.

[alvarado52]

How do Day 1 adopters deserve a faulty console from a highly reputable hardware company?

be it day 1 or day 365, if you spend your hard earned money on something, it should work and what that person 'deserves' is a working item.

[Kane Knight]

How do Day 1 adopters deserve a faulty console from a highly reputable hardware company?

be it day 1 or day 365, if you spend your hard earned money on something, it should work and what that person 'deserves' is a working item.

Honestly, if you haven't figured out that launch consoles will have issues, I don't know how you cross the street without being hit by cars. Multiple cars, because pattern recognition clearly isn't your forte.

Not only is this a known, decades-old problem, but you're reinforcing that it's okay for corporations to release hastily assembled, faulty products with a fix-it-later mentality to beat the opposition to market/the Christmas rush/alien invaders (Thanks, Obama!).

Frankly, people like that are why we can't have nice things. And they have only themselves to blame for shitty launch products.

[Kane Knight]

Michael Patcher is predicting a dominant Playstation.

This is excellent news for Xbone fans.

[alvarado52]

Do Sony televisions have launch issues? I don't recall my day 1 PS2 having launch issues, or the ps3, or gamecube. The launch issue stigma comes from one console in the past 30 years of gaming:the Xbox 360. Don't act like this is something well rooted into console gaming history.

[alvarado52]

You're talking to a person who has purchased almost all day 1 hardware, both wise (super nes) and unwise (Saturn and 32x), and never once have I had or heard of batch launch issues on consoles. Hell, my launch day 360 didn't even shit out on me once, despite the large complaint of the RRoD.

[Heisenberg]

Alvarado52, I don't think the anger of day 1ers is meant towards ppl like you that don't throw it in ppl's faces that they have the new ish. The anger is towards the ppl that go out of their way to purchase the new ish and knock on ppl's doors at 3 a.m. to hoist the said ish above their heads as to ultimately one up the person who is losing sleep and gathering funds to purchase the new ish.

[Kane Knight]

Do Sony televisions have launch issues? I don't recall my day 1 PS2 having launch issues, or the ps3, or gamecube. The launch issue stigma comes from one console in the past 30 years of gaming:the Xbox 360. Don't act like this is something well rooted into console gaming history.

I see. So since you haven't had launch issues with a device, it hasn't happened.

Including with the PS2, with one of the most notable launch hardware issues in gaming. :lol:

Widespread launch issues don't happen if they don't happen to you personally.

God bless you, you fanatical little retard. God bless you

[Kane Knight]

In 2-3 gens, Alva will have forgotten about the problems with the 360 at launch too.

[alvarado52]

Mind elaborating on these issues so clear in your mind? Or are you taking the Fox News route and just spewing shit out of your mouth and expecting us to believe it as fact?

I'm not taking it personally by any means, what I'm simply saying is regarding someone's purchase as "deserving" of failure or a "retard" tax is a stupid statement. People want an item, look forward to it, and want it on the first day, so they should expect a working system...ESPECIALLY from a company known for their hardware manufacturing.

[alvarado52]

Correction: "idiot" tax.

[RoXer]

Kane Knight isn't being serious, he's making fun of Kalyx.

I think.

[Kane Knight]

Mind elaborating on these issues so clear in your mind?


Okay, seriously, do you not remember Disc Read Errors on the PS2? It really was one of the biggest hardware issues ever and spawned a class-action suit.

The original PS had issues reading discs as well. Sony's solution was to turn the console on its side or upside down.

The original Xbox was a fire hazard. Same with the Japanese launch of the DS Lite.

Speaking of DS Lites, they've had electronic issues and that whole cracking hinge issue.

Keep in mind also that the most reliable hardware from last gen (the Wii) still had twice the standard acceptable failure rate.

How far back do I have to go? Just the fact that you're playing dumb to the PS2 hardware issues should be enough to make your statements ridiculous as all fuck. A fanatical statement from a special little man.

[Kane Knight]

Kane Knight isn't being serious, he's making fun of Kalyx.

I think.


Depends on the part. Hardware issues are a real thing. The concept of an idiot tax was tongue in cheek.

Anyone who thinks Sony's gaming division is known for its reliable hardware needs to be tested for down syndrome, though.

[alvarado52]

I'll give you the disc read errors, because I did forget about that, but those other issues didn't prevent the operation of the system. I have never heard of this ps1 disc reading issue though.

[Kalyx triaD]

KK is on the money here, there has been a history of console launch problems that has happened enough for me to never consider getting a console at launch ever. I'm happy you didn't run into these issues, but it's well documented.

On the line about Day 1ers deserving it, Heisenberg also hit the note I was on that there's a early adoption culture for certain items that seem ridiculous and can only be because of the same attitude the makes people post "First" in gaming article comment sections. When we get software day one, at least that's because we know others will and we wanna be where the party is; big get togethers and such. This is a time in gaming where there's not quite an urgency to jump next-gen, with iffy launch libraries on both consoles to be honest. Add to that the most annoyingly pathetic console fanboy war in... ever. I kind of want these people to have hardware problems. I don't mind people spending money stupidly to have issues after the fact. Makes me feel good.

But if your luck stands I'm hoping you yourself don't have any issues, I didn't mean for you specifically to have issues. Hell, I even noted that I rather things work out. I don't want Sony or Microsoft to fail or anything. I want an Xbox One. Just not at launch.

[Purgatory]

"OMG!! Been waiting since it was announced for this and it's CRAP?!?!"

A friend of mine just said this to me as he has one preordered and has done nothing but rave about how great its gonne be, etc. I told him this usually happens with a console launch and that maybe his won't have issues.

He's just recently gotten into gaming so he wasn't aware of the 360's issues at launch, the PS2's, etc.

I'm also holding out for an XBox One, but I wanna see how they do the first year before I'll buy one.

[Savio]

I dont know of any launch titles to go bananas over.

[alvarado52]

The PS4 launch titles are nothing to rave about, with the best ones being multi-platform, and the games themselves looking just a tad above the current gen.

The One, on the other hand, easily has the stronger first party launch titles in Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, and Ryse.

Here's my crossroads...from a games standpoint, the One easily has my attention, but in terms of multiplayer, almost all my friends 'irl' have gone Playstation, and most of my Live play is with the TPWW community, which I feel is pretty fragmented.

[RoXer]

Ryse is poopoo

[alvarado52]

YOU'RE POOPOO

[alvarado52]

ANYWAYS...another worry of mine is that damn Kinect. Oliver loves to grab my shit and beat the hell outta it, im scared he's gonna see that thing sitting there and destroy it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ryse is unimpressive. Dead Rising 3 is eh.

[alvarado52]

Get the fuck out of this forum Kalyx...you've been such a god damned downer about anything regarding next-gen. Christ.

[Kalyx triaD]

Really? I've been fairly hype about Titanfall, Battlefield 4, Killer Instinct, PS4 and X1's new approach to indy games, and expanded digital marketplaces. I want an Xbox One (again, I say). I've had a very balanced view where I give credit or strikes where due. If I seem to give more strikes than credit, sorry if it seems that way.

Don't expect me to be blindfully optimistic, but I won't be blindfully critical at least. I call it how I see it. My blog has posts vilifying or blasting some stuff from next gen, but it also gets hype for next gen and even defended certain DLC practices. I don't wanna come off as pro/anti-consumer or pro/anti-corporation. I'm just a fucking gamer.

I think you just notice the critical stuff more, there's plenty examples of me being hype and hopeful in this forum.

[Kalyx triaD]

And sorry, Ryse and Dead Rising 3 aren't doing shit next-gen or even generally progressive. They don't even need to be innovative, just present something cool. If Ryse was (and very well could have been) a 360 title, without the hoopla of it being a next-gen launch title, it would have went under everybody's radar in this forum. I guarantee this. I see hype for that game and wonder; 'when did this kind of shit spark any interest in the past?' It forces me to conclude it's only because it's a next gen title and not due to its merits as a game.

And the Dead Rising series never interested me in particular, but DR3 seems especially paint-by-numbers for a next-gen launch title. Again, where was this level of hype for DR2 and its expansions? Add to that the altered presentation going for the old 'gritty' filter and shit. Not a fan of that movement.

If you want me to write longer posts about what I like I can certainly do that.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Get the fuck out of this forum Kalyx...you've been such a god damned downer about anything regarding next-gen. Christ.

To be fair, MS and Sony haven't really done anything to be hyped about next-gen. You've got some shooty shooty bang bangs on both formats, along with some brm brm driving and God of War: Rome. Shame Knack reviewed so horribly. Resogun is probably the only thing worth playing so far.

I know, I know, launch lineups suck, but at least they announced things to look forward to the last times. Sony have got Infamous and, erm... Deep Down I guess? MS has got fuck all (apart from the inferior version of Titanfall) so I'll quite happily sit back and wait a couple of price drops at this rate, or not bother if MGSV comes to PC.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh goddamn, another Uncharted was announced. Naughty Dog finally do something fucking interesting and they're back to milk that teat. Unreal.

[Tommy Gunn]

I was interested in Dead Rising 3, then I saw the reviews. lol capcom

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I was interested in Dead Rising 3, then I saw the reviews. lol capcom

What reviews? I haven't seen any yet.

It looks like the other DR games, dumb fun, but not full price dumb fun.

[The Rogerer]

Honestly, if you haven't figured out that launch consoles will have issues, I don't know how you cross the street without being hit by cars. Multiple cars, because pattern recognition clearly isn't your forte.

Not only is this a known, decades-old problem, but you're reinforcing that it's okay for corporations to release hastily assembled, faulty products with a fix-it-later mentality to beat the opposition to market/the Christmas rush/alien invaders (Thanks, Obama!).

Frankly, people like that are why we can't have nice things. And they have only themselves to blame for shitty launch products.Libertarianism

Ryse looks so much like Heavenly Sword

[Kalyx triaD]

You didn't need reviews to see DR3 was ho-hum.

[alvarado52]

So Battlefield is something to pop a boner about, but Dead Rising 3 is "by the numbers"? Makes perfect sense.

[Kalyx triaD]

Battlefield 4 brings the full, 60fps, 64plyr Battlefield experience to consoles for the first time ever - on top of the most progressive control scheme and rewarding team and mechanics. The map altering Levolution is not just hype and really does alter the match in interesting ways, while still keeping the wholesale realtime destruction introduced in the Bad Company series. Stats and Premium upgrade carry over from previous/current gen so you can enter next gen with all your gear.

Dead Rising 3 brings nothing to the table in terms of its own franchise and also the hack-n-slash genre. More or less zombified Dynasty Warriors with a comedic horror bent, DR presented western tropes through a Japanese aesthetic as designed by Inafune himself. The deal was an arcady wacky experience that itself helped launch 360 way back when.

Here we are, game is presented 'grittier' and the gameplay moves toward Western sensibilities even more. It offers nothing to justify it being next gen other than being exclusive to a next gen console. The charm is lost (already faded by the Western developed Case Zero expansion), and the devs embarrassingly hype how many zombies can be on screen at once non-ironically like they solved some issue the series had.

Yeah, Battlefield on X1/PS4 is something to pop a boner about, and DR3 can get dusty on the used rack.

[alvarado52]

Your argument is essentially laughing at the aesthetic upgrade and higher number of moving parts on a screen Dead Rising devs are pushing...

...then tell me that the aesthetic upgrades (or..."levelolution") and higher number of moving parts on the screen (or...64 player battles) are something that makes Battlefield worth getting hyped about.

[RoXer]

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/24/24232/original/700.hq.jpg?9547 (http://o.onionstatic.com/images/24/24232/original/700.jpg?9547)

[Kane Knight]

I'll give you the disc read errors, because I did forget about that, but those other issues didn't prevent the operation of the system. I have never heard of this ps1 disc reading issue though.

Every Playstation console (and at least one of the portables) has had an issue that prevents operation of the system. Two had disc read problems, one had problems with sizable runs of its proprietary Cell processor. PSP had issues with the screen, reading UMDs, and even the physical inputs.

And I'm sorry, but things like breaking and catching fire don't interfere with the operation of the system? What?

Like Kalyx said, everything I've mentioned is well-documented and there's more out there. But I focused on Sony because it only goes back a few gens and flies in stark contrast with your claims that they're known for reliable hardware. They're known for the opposite. And while you haven't had any problems, that would be like me saying there weren't launch issues with GTA Online because I didn't lose my character or my car or progress.

Ryse is unimpressive. Dead Rising 3 is eh.

Are either really that surprising, though? I mean, I hoped DR3 would be good, but neither looked all that impressive (visuals aside).

To be fair, MS and Sony haven't really done anything to be hyped about next-gen.

Ain't that the truth.

On the plus side, it encouraged me to build a new PC. I will probably get one console or the other eventually, but both companies did nothing but turn me off their new hardware.

Libertarianism

Unfortunately, it's mostly the people who buy the shit who seem to complain the loudest about the poor quality.

I bought three Xboxes and hey keep RRODing! WTF, Microsoft!

Yeah.

[Heisenberg]

I like PC Gaming, especially since I have a controller if I want to utilize that. I can't wait to lay some dough down on an official gaming PC.

My brother just dumped his gf and moved into my house again and he is getting the PS4, I will observe his actions on that part of the battle.

The Xbox One tests will have to come from some unsigned person I have yet to tag.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I've just bought a laptop for work, but I've made sure that it had an HDMI out ready for Steam in-home streaming. I'm not a fan of playing something like Saints Row IV at my desk, but lying on my sofa? Oh hells yes.

[Extreme Angle]

Just buy a good PC... You can play old games on them.
Aimed at next-gen in general.

[Kalyx triaD]

Your argument is essentially laughing at the aesthetic upgrade and higher number of moving parts on a screen Dead Rising devs are pushing...

...then tell me that the aesthetic upgrades (or..."levelolution") and higher number of moving parts on the screen (or...64 player battles) are something that makes Battlefield worth getting hyped about.

If Levolution, a gameplay changing feature, comes off as merely 'aesthetic' to you; and you consider 64plyrs 'moving parts', then I'm afraid you're being disingenuous. That's a ridiculous comparison straight out of Swiss' playbook. Don't do that.

[Savio]

What the price of the New Xbox? 600$?

[DAMN iNATOR]

I don’t know who the “powers that be” are who give shitty color names to gaming consoles, cars, paint samples, etc., but I’d seriously love to just murder them all.

[Savio]

Maybe they chose the color from a color palette at home depo.

[Kalyx triaD]

X1 is $500, because Kinect's so cool, they'll set have you buy it by association rather than separately. Kill the middle man.

[Savio]

They want to spy on us.

I was regretting not get PS4 at launch and selling it for profit but I see on Ebay they are going for about 450$ which is not a great profit margin.

[ClockShot]

Ugh. Sitting on a couple themes and I can't even use them right now.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

DriveClub was looking pretty ropey when it was revealed, but credit where it's due, they look like they've made the most of the delay.

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[Kalyx triaD]

Eh.

Realistic racing games are boring. Need for Speed/Burnout any day of the week over Forza/Gran Turismo.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

You're boring.

But seriously, I like both. Real pity Split/Second and Ridge Racer Unbounded sold like shit as they were an awesome developer. NFS: Rivals looks OK, but that 30FPS lock kills me on racing games.