Flash Funk Presents: A Joint Tazz Dan, CSL & Cool King Supported *OFFICIAL* 2013 Elimination Chamber Thread

[mike adamle]

Just got done watching the show (almost, still gotta watch Dolph-Kofi and the diva's match but I'll get around to that later.) Awesome Chamber Match. Rock-Punk was fun and I liked this one more than the last. The Shield looked fucking great tonight. As did Mark Henry. And Jack Swagger. I'm really hoping Team Hell No doesn't face each other at WM, and if they do I hope they lose the belts before then so it gives the chances for a cluster fuck tag title ladder match.

[mike adamle]

Also, I was thinking about it, and I'd love to see a feud between Face Alberto Del Rio and heel Chris Jericho.

[Schlomey]

Schlomey, would your rating of the tag match have been different if for example, Ryback had pinned Rollins?

Probably not. I marked out when Shield got the pin so I can't say for sure but I will say that the match as a whole was solid and followed the Chamber very solidly.

[James Steele]

Awesome ppv. Schlomey, quit being a twat. ;)

[Schlomey]

I just wish that Teddy Long would have made Dolph Ziggler compete in a tag team match instead :(

[#1-norm-fan]

ahh the IWC.

"Those three matches you ranked really high on this PPV make the card add up to 'mediocre', not 'good' by my calculations. Fucking IWC :roll:"

lol Are you serious right now?

[Mr. Pierre]

I don't view these controversial finishes as a way to keep Punk in the Mania title picture. Instead I see it as a way to not job him out clean just weeks before a showdown with the undefeated Undertaker.

Punk looks like much more of a threat to the streak by having The Rock pinned clean with the ref out and then losing, rather than getting beat in the ring without a screwy finish. I'm pretty sure it was a way to keep Punk's credibility at a peak to believably clash with Taker, and not to insert him in the WWE title match.

[#1-norm-fan]

It seems like just a way to not job him out clean period. Taker or not, Punk needed to keep looking somewhat strong.

I don't think they're going triple threat though. I wouldn't wanna see it anyway. Rock vs Cena one on one is the way to go. If Taker can't compete, I'm not sure where that would put Punk. Punk vs HHH with Punk blaming the company for his problems would be pretty awesome. That would leave Lesnar out though as I don't know who else would realistically challenge him at this point.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't see the problem with Ryback getting pinned. It shows he's not super human, and when he spat the shits and stormed out sulking like owenbrown in a Gertner/Shisen thread, it showed a bit of personality.

The getting angry and walking away was cool.

The whole "it shows he's not super human" thing...

Why is it ever good for someone to not look so strong? lol Why would you say that as if him looking a little worse is helpful. As if "looking super human" is a bad thing for a pro wrestler. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Really, I'm less worried about that one loss as I am about WWE's tendency to get into the habit of having top faces lose on a regular basis for "shock factor" until it simply doesn't matter anymore. It ruins characters and it's a big reason why they haven't been able to really put guys over long term and they'd avoided it with Ryback. Hopefully they haven't opened the flood gates now.

[Shadrick]

"Those three matches you ranked really high on this PPV make the card add up to 'mediocre', not 'good' by my calculations. Fucking IWC :roll:"

lol Are you serious right now?

i wasnt lol

[Shadrick]

Really, I'm less worried about that one loss as I am about WWE's tendency to get into the habit of having top faces lose on a regular basis for "shock factor" until it simply doesn't matter anymore. It ruins characters and it's a big reason why they haven't been able to really put guys over long term and they'd avoided it with Ryback. Hopefully they haven't opened the flood gates now.

John Felix Anthony Cena :y:

[James Steele]

#1-wwf-fan, for fucks sake, the son of a bitch has to lose sometime. Losing like that won't hurt it. It gives him more meaning besides loving to kick ass.

[Shadrick]

Fan is extremely critical of WWE booking right after it happens. Its sort of his thing. And we love him for it.

[#1-norm-fan]

John Felix Anthony Cena :y:

That was actually the first name that came to mind when I was thinking about that "issue". lol

[#1-norm-fan]

i wasnt lol

Oh... In that case, that was an odd joke.

Carry on.

[#1-norm-fan]

#1-wwf-fan, for fucks sake, the son of a bitch has to lose sometime. Losing like that won't hurt it. It gives him more meaning besides loving to kick ass.

Read what I said two posts above you...

[#1-norm-fan]

Fan is extremely critical of WWE booking right after it happens. Its sort of his thing. And we love him for it.

These are facts.

I'm also annoyed that they used what SHOULD be a rare Ryback loss on the two uninteresting members of The Shield and not the awesome one.

[Mr. Pierre]

I liked that Ryback got pinned, and the way he was pinned. This Shield story has been building since November, and each month, he's getting closer and closer to finally overcoming them. If Sheamus was pinned, Ryback's inevitable Wrestlemania victory wouldn't have that same payoff unless he was the one who failed at EC.

[#1-norm-fan]

Like I said in the first post I made about it, I'm hoping this is leading to Ryback single handedly taking down The Shield at WrestleMania. Somehow. I don't wanna see another 6 man tag featuring Ryback and two guys against The Shield though. I'd rather the focus be strictly on Ryback and The Shield.

A gauntlet match would be pretty sweet with Ryback coming out looking like a million bucks after finally taking them out.

[#1-norm-fan]

This does however end that tiny sliver of hope I had for Ryback vs Lesnar at WrestleMania and means the Lesnar vs HHH rematch is unfortunately pretty much a lock. I can't really see any other viable options for Lesnar's opponent.

[Krimzon7]

Lesnar should fuck off and die.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Sorry if someone else has said this, but isn't Swagger's character just gonna be a face in about half the towns they go to?

[Cool King]

Probably the "Red States", yeah.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

They need to go all out survivaliist conspiracy theory nutjob with him, have him cut promo's from his bunker about the illuminati and how 9-11 was an inside job

[Krimzon7]

well I'm interested to see what Dutch Mantell can do with this guy

[James Steele]

I am surprised that WWE is having one of the main event angles at WrestleMania be about militant redneck xenophobes trying to take down the rich Mexican. WrestleMania XIX was awkward enough with the racial overtones, and that was nowhere near as blatant as this stuff. It is interesting though and they need to have Swagger talk less.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why are you surprised?

[James Steele]

With all the media attention WrestleMania gets, I just didn't think they would have one of the main angles be a racist angle. If they go "too far" one night or some house show promo and a media outlet grabs a hold of it, WWE will kill it dead like they did with Mohammed Hassan.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think they run that risk like they did with Hassan. The Hassan thing basically came to a head with the whole "masked terrorists" incident. They just need to avoid doing any kind of a risky angle like that which shouldn't be too hard considering the product itself isn't nearly as edgy.

This is pretty much what JBL did in his feud with Eddie. I'm not sure how they can go "too far" with it without blatantly trying to.

[Tazz Dan]

How about we wait until they actually interact before assuming they're going to fuck it up?

[James Steele]

"Too Far" today is far different than "too far" in 2004.

[James Steele]

How about we wait until they actually interact before assuming they're going to fuck it up?

I'm not assuming they will fuck it up. I think it has huge potential, but with as jumpy as WWE can be with bad media coverage now, it could get fucked over. Which is why I said I was surprised they are going with it in one of the main events of WrestleMania.

[#1-norm-fan]

But "too far" is avoidable. They were trying to push the envelope with Hassan. Right now, there's nothing really about Swagger and Zeb that should bring up the fear of them needing to be taken off TV to mind.

[#1-norm-fan]

Especially now. "Too far" might be different now than it was in 2004. WWE's penchant to push the envelope and risk going to far is not like it was in 2004 though.

[James Steele]

The very nature of the gimmick has it in the back of one's mind. An angry xenophobic old man has brainwashed a young man and they are going against a successful Mexican superstar for the World Heavyweight Championship. It is beyond naive to not understand this. The entire gimmick is to cause a bit of controversy and make people uneasy.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. JBL stood at the border and kicked Mexicans as they tried to illegally crossed the border. I'm sure Vince isn't losing sleep at night worrying about "going too far" with a heel gimmick that has been pretty common through the history of wrestling. You shouldn't either.

[James Steele]

Especially now. "Too far" might be different now than it was in 2004. WWE's penchant to push the envelope and risk going to far is not like it was in 2004 though.

The fact of the matter is that one of the marquee storylines at the biggest event of the year is a racially charged one. It is inherently controversial and open to getting someone's feathers ruffled and WWE might go on damage control like they did with GLAAD and other groups.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Making people uneasy means they got something good in the mix.

[James Steele]

WWE freaked out and released an apology because Vince McMahon called something gay. What the hell are they going to do when some Latin-American organization starts raising hell if Dutch Mantel or Swagger uses poor word choice?

I'm not worrying about it, but it is something to consider in the whole thing. It is well within the realm of possibility and could derail a potentially awesome gimmick/character.

[#1-norm-fan]

They've had white guys blatantly doing racist shit before though. More blatantly racist than an old guy saying he doesn't like people coming into the country illegally. I don't think I've heard of any problems with Latin American organizations raising hell before...

[James Steele]

Have they ever had it in the main event of WrestleMania?

[#1-norm-fan]

Do you think the fact that the storyline is going to lead to a match that will probably open the show at WrestleMania is gonna be the straw that broke the camel's back?

[James Steele]

Booker T/Triple H and it got shat on. That wasn't even blatantly racist.

[James Steele]

Do you think the fact that the storyline is going to lead to a match that will probably open the show at WrestleMania is gonna be the straw that broke the camel's back?

How fucking hard is this to understand. WrestleMania gets more media coverage than anything else WWE does. Everything they do on the build to Mania will get more coverage. It becomes more likely some group will see something that offends them and then they start raising hell. WWE bends over backwards to apologize like they always do and more than likely neuter/take the teeth out of this whole gimmick to appease said group.

[James Steele]

Not saying it will happen, but that is can easily happen and could cut the legs out from underneath this thing.

[#1-norm-fan]

It won't. Again... please don't lose sleep over it. lol

[James Steele]

I'm not you dumbass. I'm simply stating something that is worth thinking about some.

[#1-norm-fan]

I thought about it when you said it. Then I chuckled. Because it was a silly thing to think about for too long.

[James Steele]

It is a discussion forum. That is what we do - discuss things ad nauseum.

[#1-norm-fan]

I love you, James Steele.

[James Steele]

I love you like I love having a rusty screwdriver forced down my urethra with a jackhammer.

[James Steele]

In other words, I love you quite a bit as I am one freaky mother fucker. :naughty:

[#1-norm-fan]

You should use some form of adhesive device to hold the screwdriver in place. A durable one.

[James Steele]

A hollowed out dildo harness?

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah

[James Steele]

Probably just use duct tape. It is cheaper and less hard to explain.

[Krimzon7]

You guys are putting a lot of thought in the WM curtain jerking championship.

[Shadrick]

Can I join this and make it a threesome? pls?

[mike adamle]

Booker T/Triple H and it got shat on. That wasn't even blatantly racist.

They should've ended up having Booker be Triple H's slave.