Gertner Presents: A Team Gorm Presentation. **Official 5/20/2013 Raw Thread**

[GD]

Sweet entrance for Ryback.

He should make it his regular entrance (like JBL and Del Rio, but with an amberlamps).

[KyleEmmott]

I get the feeling that Triple H is going to return to a full time role or more than just part time this year, and possibly one more run with the title. AM I CRAZY?

[Emperor Smeat]

Pretty sure the tron said "Curtis"

Think it said "Curt" since it wasn't longer than the Axel part but looks like the WWE just ignored or forgot what it even said since he's now "Curtis"

[Cool King]

Fucking hell, more AJ.

[KIRA]

Shouldn't all this make Katelyn the heel?

[ClockShot]

AJ chillin' on those ropes HBK style.

I like it.

[Wishbone]

Love how everyone is hoping Hennig's kid wins even though he's fucking terrible. Everyone here always laughs at the "workrate" internet fans, but that's all you're doing here. Axel... ew I hate even typing that... is decent in the ring, but he's nowhere near capable of ever being a star at least now without some serious work on his personality.

[Corndad]

Tamina eating a Banana. Why did I just crack up seeing that.

[Cool King]

"Download the WWE App, where you can watch The Bella Twins watching TV!"

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Did Lawler just call AJ a ring rat?

[GD]

The loser gets to tap AJ's ass. Not bad.

[KyleEmmott]

Too bad a diva has one of the coolest submissions in the WWE..

[Immortal Moose]

Tappin that ass

[Wishbone]

What happened to the teasing of a Layla heel turn? Guess WWE really can't be bothered with the Divas. :(

[#1-norm-fan]

Layla is awesome. I'm sad that her start-stop push is currently in stop mode.

[Cool King]

"Randy Oaten".

[Wishbone]

AJ is incredible, just purely incredible.

[Wishbone]

Curtis... fuck it is Curtis...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Layla once again proves to be a not so secret lesbian.

[Wishbone]

HHH better pedigree that beaver faced mother fucker straight back to Florida damnit

[#1-norm-fan]

Pretty sure the tron said "Curtis"

I swear it said "Curt"

DOESN'T ANYONE HAVE THE TIVO?! CHECK THIS SHIT!

[KIRA]

I'm glad when divas can actually wrestle (and are good at it) sucks the crowd doesnt appreciate it,though years of burial and lack of care are really to blame for that.

[Wishbone]

It said Curt... I think either the production team fucked up or something.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No Music for both with two great themes :(

[Cool King]

Wow, Ryback's watching TV now!

This App is too good to pass up!

[Wishbone]

What the fuck... Ryder vs Rhodes? Guess we're gonna find out who's king of the jobbers tonight.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Cody's mustache chant.

[Wishbone]

Wow, Ryback's watching TV now!

This App is too good to pass up!

Is he watching Iron Chef?

[KyleEmmott]

It's too bad Zack Ryder is a great in ring performer, and all of his squash matches, he does a great job.

[ClockShot]

I'll admit, I totally thought Ryder was gonna win that.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Stealing Brock's nickname to use on Ryback Cole already?

[Wishbone]

Poor Ryder... we'd like to wish him well in his future endeavors.

[Corndad]

Poor Ryder lol

[KyleEmmott]

LEAVE RYDER ALONE

[#1-norm-fan]

Cody vs Ryder? Am I watching Superstars?

[Wishbone]

JBL: "This kid's got a great future ahead of him"

He just lost to the Miz last night and only beat a guy who hasn't won a match in... ever.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Rytista Bomb.

[mike adamle]

I hope Ryback rapes Zack in the middle of the ring to send John a message

[ClockShot]

Ryder's going for a ride.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Goodbye Ryder.

[Immortal Moose]

If anything these two should team up

[GD]

I am yawning.

[KyleEmmott]

Who's driving the Ambulance? HAHAH

[ClockShot]

This match was brought to you by your local ambulance chasing lawyer.

[Wishbone]

Kid in the audience yelling "Go Ryback!" lol

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

RY on RY violence :(

[ClockShot]

Who's driving the Ambulance? HAHAH

Austin.

[#1-norm-fan]

JBL: "This kid's got a great future ahead of him"

He just lost to the Miz last night and only beat a guy who hasn't won a match in... ever.

WWE pushes. He's back on track now. Forget everything before tonight.

[Wishbone]

Symbolic end of Ryder, and History won't write about Ryder... Well that's it then I guess.

[Wishbone]

WWE pushes. He's back on track now. Forget everything before tonight.

Fair enough.

[Wishbone]

If Beaver Fucker Axel gets a push tonight and Ryder gets future endeavored I'm going to be very disappointed :(

[Emperor Smeat]

Why would Cena care about Ryder getting beaten up?

Ryder is like the Outlaws were to Triple H when it came to them being beaten up and Triple H not caring in the end.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cody Rhodes just made a statement. And that statement was "like anyone else with a pulse I can beat Zack Ryder."</font>

[ClockShot]

Sierra......Hotel......India........Echo.........Lima........Delta..........SHIELD!

[KIRA]

The good news is that when Ryder goes to TNA he'll be introduced like the savior of mankind

and crush his opposition.

[Wishbone]

Cena doesn't care about anyone, haven't you been listening to Ryback at all? Cena is a terrible friend to have.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

If Beaver Fucker Axel gets a push tonight and Ryder gets future endeavored I'm going to be very disappointed :(

Joe Hennig looks like a main eventer. Zack Ryder was nothing but a internet gimmick that ran out of steam.

[#1-norm-fan]

I want Triple H to squash Axel and put him in a trunk with a "Destination: NXT" sticker on it.

[ClockShot]

Shield should have came out last, DAMNIT!

[Wishbone]

Rewind a year ago and tell someone that you'd see this happening in WWE one day.

[Wishbone]

Joe Hennig looks like a main eventer. Zack Ryder was nothing but a internet gimmick that ran out of steam.

Hennig is just another generic "big man". If they want to push a big guy push someone with personality like Big E or Ryback. Hennig is a dime a dozen.

[Next Big Thing]

Love Ambrose on the mic.

[#1-norm-fan]

Shield should have came out last, DAMNIT!

Would have made Kane, Bryan and Kofi standing there watching this promo kinda awkward.

[Wishbone]

The Shield actually look fucking great like this.

[Wishbone]

Still can't stand Rollins' neck and Reigns' teeth though...

[KyleEmmott]

I wish they'd at least take there vests when they compete, it's unfair advantage.

[Wishbone]

I'm so afraid that Hell No is gonna break up soon :(

[#1-norm-fan]

Hennig is just another generic "big man". If they want to push a big guy push someone with personality like Big E or Ryback. Hennig is a dime a dozen.

Yeah, I'm not seeing it in Hennig yet. He can't cut a promo, which would make putting Heyman as his mouthpiece appropriate if he had something else going for him. He's not terribly intimidating or anything. I don't know. Odd choice.

[KIRA]

Still can't stand Rollins' neck and Reigns' teeth though...


Whats wrong with them?

[Next Big Thing]

Hennig is just another generic "big man". If they want to push a big guy push someone with personality like Big E or Ryback. Hennig is a dime a dozen.

Both of those guys are getting a pushed though. Big E. Langston is doing fine with Ziggler and AJ plus he's relatively green and still young. Ryback is at the pinnacle feuding with Cena.

For Hennig, it's kind of now or never. He's 33 and hasn't done anything significant.

[Wishbone]

Yeah, I'm not seeing it in Hennig yet. He can't cut a promo, which would make putting Heyman as his mouthpiece appropriate if he had something else going for him. He's not terribly intimidating or anything. I don't know. Odd choice.

When he grabbed the mic tonight and got in HHH's face it just seemed... bad. He doesn't even have "the look" I mean I've seen people's CAWs in WWE 13 that looked like he does.

[Wishbone]

Whats wrong with them?

Rollins' neck is weird... it's like way too thick for his head, and Reigns' teeth are spaced way too far apart.

[#1-norm-fan]

Ryback could use Heyman to revamp what WWE has done to his character. The mn hs still never won a meaningful match. Let Heyman put in work and pass off the fact that he gave the monster the motivation he needed and let him go on a streak of terror ala Lesnar when he debuted.

[Wishbone]

Both of those guys are getting a pushed though. Big E. Langston is doing fine with Ziggler and AJ plus he's relatively green and still young. Ryback is at the pinnacle feuding with Cena.

For Hennig, it's kind of now or never. He's 33 and hasn't done anything significant.

Should be never then. If he hasn't developed a personality and character by now he's not going to.

[KIRA]

Both of those guys are getting a pushed though. Big E. Langston is doing fine with Ziggler and AJ plus he's relatively green and still young. Ryback is at the pinnacle feuding with Cena.

For Hennig, it's kind of now or never. He's 33 and hasn't done anything significant.

How old was Triple H when he finally made it big?

just sayin

[Wishbone]

Mid 30's maybe? Seems most guys hit their stride there.

[Wishbone]

How old is HHH now?

[Frank Drebin]

Remember TPWW Universe, Frank Drebin will be at Shoeless Joe's next to the Allstate Arena prior to the Payback PPV signing TPWW merch.

[Corndad]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Not sure why @<a href="https://twitter.com/truekofi">truekofi</a> is dressed like a cow. Then again we're not sure why he used to pretend to be from Jamaica. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23RAWTonight">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/336661280985329665">May 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Frank Drebin]

Also, Heisenberg and Crazy Edgar will join me live via satellite for the post show.

[Wishbone]

That is still something that bothers me. Why the hell did Kofi have to be from Jamaica to begin with?

[KIRA]

How old is HHH now?

Wiki says 43

[Wishbone]

Damn he seems a LOT older than that with those forehead wrinkles :(

[#1-norm-fan]

How old is HHH now?

He's 43. He was doing noteworthy things in his late 20s.

[Wishbone]

He made it big pretty young then.

[KIRA]

So Kingston looked at that ring gear and told the seamstress "I like that"
hmm okay

[Wishbone]

I'm not a good judge of age I suppose. Bet I'd be wrong about the age of half the roster.

[Next Big Thing]

How old was Triple H when he finally made it big?

just sayin

I'd say DX was the start and he was 28 then. Had the WWF title by 30. Most guys at least show potential by the time their Hennig's age.

[ClockShot]

Bad timing, production crew.

[KIRA]

I'm not a good judge of age I suppose. Bet I'd be wrong about the age of half the roster.

I bet R-truth's age makes jaws drop

[Wishbone]

Bryan should braid his beard and get a viking gimmick if Hell No breaks up. Just a random thought I just had.

[ClockShot]

Damn, Rollins took that clothesline hard.

[Wishbone]

I bet R-truth's age makes jaws drop

How old is he exactly?:wtf:

[Hanso Amore]

Pretty Hot Crowd

[Hanso Amore]

How old is he exactly?:wtf:

Google

[#1-norm-fan]

How old is he exactly?:wtf:

41. Seems about right. He's been around for a while.

[Wishbone]

I am so tired of them telling me to download that stupid fucking app. Whoever invented the smart phone needs to go die in a fucking hole.

[Immortal Moose]

I bet R-truth's age makes jaws drop

41

[KIRA]

How old is he exactly?:wtf:

Born 1972

[Wishbone]

41. Seems about right. He's been around for a while.

Damn he looks younger than that. Or maybe it's just me. Meh.

[Hanso Amore]

Makes me wonder where Axel would be with a proper name from the start. I truly think it plays a part in fan perception.

[Immortal Moose]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>See The Shield on The App. Or, if you don't like rest holds and stalling, just wait until we're back from commercial. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23RAWTonight">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/336663998986604544">May 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Immortal Moose]

Makes me wonder where Axel would be with a proper name from the start. I truly think it plays a part in fan perception.

Dolph Ziggler seems to have turned out fine.

[Wishbone]

Makes me wonder where Axel would be with a proper name from the start. I truly think it plays a part in fan perception.

It really is. Look at how long it took people to warm up to Ziggler.

[KIRA]

For I while I'd swear he was in at least very early 30s

[KIRA]

for some reason DB seems like the work horse of Team Hell NO

[#1-norm-fan]

Makes me wonder where Axel would be with a proper name from the start. I truly think it plays a part in fan perception.

It does. There aren't many names that are great right off the bat though. More often than not, guys kinda grow into their silly/boring names. (See: The Undertaker, John Cena)

[Hanso Amore]

Dolph Ziggler seems to have turned out fine.

Yeah, and it took him 5 years.

It also helps that he is the best in ring performer since Shawn Michaels.

[Wishbone]

It does. There aren't many names that are great right off the bat though. More often than not, guys kinda grow into their silly/boring names. (See: The Undertaker, John Cena)

The Rock comes to mind as well. I mean really it just seems stupid if you don't think about the name he made for himself with it.

[Hanso Amore]

It does. There aren't many names that are great right off the bat though. More often than not, guys kinda grow into their silly/boring names. (See: The Undertaker, John Cena)

Anything brand new takes a bit to get used to, but Michael McGillicutty just sounded fucking retarded. And he really had no gimmick since they treated him as a 3rd generation star without mentioning it or using t he name.

Generic Guy with Shit name and no gimmick...And no direction. No wonder he hasnt done anything since NXT.

Crazy to think he has been floating for like 4 years.

[Immortal Moose]

Yeah, and it took him 5 years.

It also helps that he is the best in ring performer since Shawn Michaels.

True.

[KIRA]

Love that Ambrose issuing a breaking speech to Bryan the entire time!

[Wishbone]

Kane may very well be the best he's ever been right now. I don't think I've ever enjoyed his matches as much as I have in recent months.

[Hanso Amore]

Great match, really getting the crowd FIRED up. I love when Raw lets this go down.

[Corndad]

Great Match so far

[#1-norm-fan]

Kane and Reigns fall mainly on the planes!

[GD]

Wow! What a match.

[Wishbone]

Love that Ambrose issuing a breaking speech to Bryan the entire time!

Ambrose is really the perfect "super villain" type. Think he'd be a neat opponent for some of the top guys at some point.

[ClockShot]

Great match.

[slik]

Why doesn't Dean Ambrose just wear a white shirt under his uniform?

[Immortal Moose]

Awesome tag match

[#1-norm-fan]

Hot crowd. It's amazing what can happen when you give meaning to matches and don't just throw a bunch of shit together to fill time where it doesn't matter who wins.

[Lock Jaw]

Great lengthy match

[Wishbone]

Even Paul Heyman can not make me enjoy seeing this segment again...

[Emperor Smeat]

These 6 man tag matches have been great in quality each week

[#1-norm-fan]

I feel like this just has to end with Axel getting the crazy upset. It has to. Right?

[Wishbone]

I feel like this just has to end with Axel getting the crazy upset. It has to. Right?

It does... but it shouldn't...

[ClockShot]

Dr. James Andrews on call?

[KyleEmmott]

I've became a big Trips fan recently.

[Corndad]

Some one's not healthy...

[Immortal Moose]

I feel like this just has to end with Axel getting the crazy upset. It has to. Right?

Something has to go down.

[Wishbone]

HHH shouldn't compete? Well looks like Mcgillabeaver is gonna win and HHH can say it was because he wasn't 100%...

[Hanso Amore]

I get that Hennig serves as a surrogate for Lesnar to keep his dates unused and they need the fodder.

I just dont see any point to all the fan fare unless he takes a win. If he gets beat tonight it buys them a week. If he wins a few more week

[#1-norm-fan]

I've became a big Trips fan recently.

Lack of overexposure is a great thing. I'm pretty sure that one day Cena is gonna be a part-timer and he'll get huge face pops every time he comes out.

[GD]

Curtis Axel is going to pull off a Shelton Benjamin on Triple H tonight.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CURTIS AXEL! Ha ha, I fucking love it!

[Wishbone]

Curtis Axel is going to pull off a Shelton Benjamin on Triple H tonight.

And then go the way of Shelton Benjamin hopefully.

[Cool King]

Fuck yeah, Kaitlyn!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H is reportedly a big fan of the guy and he knows that he doesn't need to win this match. Triple H might beat Axel or something like that, but then Axel will save Heyman from a beat-down and go after the leg and show a bad side.

[Wishbone]

Who takes a phone?

[ClockShot]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Kaitlyn's secret admirer.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. "I'll get Khali to do it."

[Immortal Moose]

And then go the way of Shelton Benjamin hopefully.

:(

[ClockShot]

Zeb supposed to be dressed as an I.R.S. guy or something?

[Wishbone]

Every time they call Jack a real american I half ass expect to here real american hit and see hogan come out and kick his ass.

[Wishbone]

Orton.

[Cool King]

Orton!

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[KyleEmmott]

I DID NOT SEE THAT ONE COMING.....said no one.

[Corndad]

How did Khali beat Truth.

[Wishbone]

Yup thought so...

[Immortal Moose]

I want 2009 Orton back.

[Wishbone]

Love how WWE has these polls but they always put one guy that they know will win with two that won't get a single vote.

[Immortal Moose]

How did Khali beat Truth.

Kids have phones nowadays.

[Wishbone]

I want Orton to grow his hair back. Too many bald people in wrestling as of late...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Swagger beating Orton cleanly by submission would do wonders for him.

[Lock Jaw]

I want 2009 Orton back.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW

[#1-norm-fan]

Triple H is reportedly a big fan of the guy and he knows that he doesn't need to win this match. Triple H might beat Axel or something like that, but then Axel will save Heyman from a beat-down and go after the leg and show a bad side.

Even that I feel like doesn't warrant a big payoff though. Triple H wins the match, he beat a jobber. Even with a post-match attack, he's still a jobber who just jobbed. It doesn't make me wanna see a rematch because... it's still Triple H vs a jobber.

The only way I can see them making Axel interesting is if they put out the thought that he's a "new man" and maybe he can beat Triple H. Even if it's a fluke/requires interference from Heyman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Swagger wanted this match against Orton like a real man.

[Wishbone]

Punk better come back with his old mane back or at the very least his hair from his nexus/commentary run.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even that I feel like doesn't warrant a big payoff though. Triple H wins the match, he beat a jobber. Even with a post-match attack, he's still a jobber who just jobbed. It doesn't make me wanna see a rematch because... it's still Triple H vs a jobber.

The only way I can see them making Axel interesting is if they put out the thought that he's a "new man" and maybe he can beat Triple H. Even if it's a fluke/requires interference from Heyman.

Oh, I agree. Triple H doesn't really need to win another match for the rest of his career to be meaningful. Curtis Axel beating Triple H would be an instant credibility boost. They should even have him do it via submission to really shock the world.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk vs. Curtis Axel is actually a match I would be interested in. Think those two world work well together, and there's history there.

[Wishbone]

King comes across as a real asshole anymore. "I voted 8 times!" he just seems like he's not even trying to be entertaining anymore and just does what they tell him to do all the time.

[Wishbone]

Zeb and Rhodes should have a 'stache vs 'stache match some time.

[#1-norm-fan]

King comes across as a real asshole anymore. "I voted 8 times!" he just seems like he's not even trying to be entertaining anymore and just does what they tell him to do all the time.

I've heard him say on a few occasions that he hates doing commentary. He's pretty much just doing it for the paycheck.

[Wishbone]

I've heard him say on a few occasions that he hates doing commentary. He's pretty much just doing it for the paycheck.

well fuck him in the anus then. :foc:

[Wishbone]

Orton's thes press looks pretty terrible most of the time.

[Ermaximus]

Lol @ how loudly Orton told Swagger to chopblock him. It was even funnier to hear Swagger tell Orton to grab his hair.

[KIRA]

King comes across as a real asshole anymore. "I voted 8 times!" he just seems like he's not even trying to be entertaining anymore and just does what they tell him to do all the time. Aw man I miss the days when King was an unbelievable dick.

this neutered version the kids have nowadays geez :(:nono:

[Wishbone]

Lol @ how loudly Orton told Swagger to chopblock him. It was even funnier to hear Swagger tell Orton to grab his hair.

Taken out of context one could make a pretty horrible and childish joke with this.

[#1-norm-fan]

Two strikes be damned... I want Orton to be back in the thick of things. He's an easy legit main eventer who's just floating around outside the title picture for so long and it's weird. And he's been out of the main title picture long enough where he'd be fresh again if/when he steps back in.

[Wishbone]

Aw man I miss the days when King was an unbelievable dick.

this neutered version the kids have nowadays geez :(:nono:

"Puppies!"

[#1-norm-fan]

Aw man I miss the days when King was an unbelievable dick.

this neutered version the kids have nowadays geez :(:nono:

Like when he called Goldust's 8 year old daughter a whore? Aaah, the good old days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Swagger needs this match way more than Orton.

[Wishbone]

Two strikes be damned... I want Orton to be back in the thick of things. He's an easy legit main eventer who's just floating around outside the title picture for so long and it's weird. And he's been out of the main title picture long enough where he'd be fresh again if/when he steps back in.

I agree. Besides what were his strikes for? Spice right?

[KIRA]

The horny old man is cool too but god when he was heel he was a HEEL.

[Wishbone]

Like when he called Goldust's 8 year old daughter a whore? Aaah, the good old days.

King is a natural asshole. When he tries to be nice it just seems insincere.

[#1-norm-fan]

I seem to remember a match ending during a commercial break once. Some time in the 90's. I feel like it was WCW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Two strikes be damned... I want Orton to be back in the thick of things. He's an easy legit main eventer who's just floating around outside the title picture for so long and it's weird. And he's been out of the main title picture long enough where he'd be fresh again if/when he steps back in.

I think this is where they will eventually go with Orton. Especially since there are two World Titles. And Orton being fired as World Champion isn't the end of the world. They'll just have him drop it to someone in a squash match and then fire him.

[#1-norm-fan]

I agree. Besides what were his strikes for? Spice right?

I think one was for steroids. When all those guys got named on that list.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jerry Lawler should become the General Manager of RAW. He can talk, he's over and it would evolve his character. A "business-minded" Jerry Lawler can be more of that asshole everybody loves.

[311]

Gotta love when they let the matches go long.

[Wishbone]

The horny old man is cool too but god when he was heel he was a HEEL.

King just needs to be let off the chain and allowed to do what he wants (within reason of course). Let him oogle divas and call Punk and his fans "Basement dwelling virgins" while casually making remarks about Fandango's sexual preferences and Ricardo and Del Rio's relationship. Essentially let him be Gertner.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think this is where they will eventually go with Orton. Especially since there are two World Titles. And Orton being fired as World Champion isn't the end of the world. They'll just have him drop it to someone in a squash match and then fire him.

Yeah, but I mean THE main title picture. Like... WWE title picture. How long can you just be scared with him? Eventually it seems like you've gotta just say "Alright, it's been long enough. We're gonna trust you here. Don't fuck it up."

[KIRA]

King is a natural asshole. When he tries to be nice it just seems insincere.

No Orton and CM Punk seem like natural assholes with King the downplayed nice guy seems real enough its just that he seems to be having fun being a bastard as opposed to it being a part of who he is.

[Wishbone]

Yeah, but I mean THE main title picture. Like... WWE title picture. How long can you just be scared with him? Eventually it seems like you've gotta just say "Alright, it's been long enough. We're gonna trust you here. Don't fuck it up."

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the picture as a heel against Cena again at some point. Their stuff was usually pretty good.

[ClockShot]

Yeah, about time to wrap it up.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fuck, I thought he was gonna RKO him off that splash. Would have been ridiculous.

[Wishbone]

No Orton and CM Punk seem like natural assholes with King the downplayed nice guy seems real enough its just that he seems to be having fun being a bastard as opposed to it being a part of who he is.

Punk can play a decent face so long as he's still being a smartass. Orton does seem really out of place as a face though.

[Wishbone]

Well poo

[Mr. Nerfect]

Swagger is scarily good in the ring. The dude just needs cred.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just in case there was any doubt that WWE knew who was gonna win the poll all along... Just imagine Swagger vs. Khali going this long. lol

[slik]

Swagger loses clean two nights in a row in big matches. Wonder where they are going with him.

[Wishbone]

damnit Swagger why'd you have to fuck up with the drugs man?!?!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does it say something about the World Heavyweight Championship that I consider Swagger's greatest achievement in the WWE actually training Michael Cole up to be a threat to Jerry Lawler?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Of course Orton won. It makes the WWE Universe feel that their voting has influence.

[Wishbone]

Am I the only one that remembers Swagger's first match on Raw against Cena where he took him to the limit?

[Immortal Moose]

He's an invisible bully because he only does it at night.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah, but I mean THE main title picture. Like... WWE title picture. How long can you just be scared with him? Eventually it seems like you've gotta just say "Alright, it's been long enough. We're gonna trust you here. Don't fuck it up."

Problem is his strikes have come at the worst times possible so even if they felt it was finally time to trust him, they'd still have some fear of the next strike randomly popping up.

Should just give him a nice long IC or US reign instead since his stardom is big enough to make the belt look credible again while also being a great way to build a new star since the "rub" would be huge if done correctly.

[#1-norm-fan]

At least Swagger looked like a threat there. Doesn't hurt him too much to look below Orton. Swagger can get his momentum elsewhere. I like that Orton doesn't lose left and right whenever they need to put the latest flavor of the month over. It's one of the biggest terrible booking things they do. Everyone going over everyone else based on who's got a big match that month.

[Wishbone]

I feel like I remember random things that I really shouldn't be able to keep in my mind sometimes...

[KIRA]

Question to parents:why the FUCK is your child online with apparently zero policing???

[Immortal Moose]

Am I the only one that remembers Swagger's first match on Raw against Cena where he took him to the limit?

I remember Cena's...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ryback looks the part tonight.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Because they are shitty parents.

[Immortal Moose]

Question to parents:why the FUCK is your child online with apparently zero policing???

lol I was thinking the same thing.

[Wishbone]

At least Swagger looked like a threat there. Doesn't hurt him too much to look below Orton. Swagger can get his momentum elsewhere. I like that Orton doesn't lose left and right whenever they need to put the latest flavor of the month over.

True but if they don't do something with him then he's being wasted completely. If they don't want to put him in the title picture then they need to at least use him for something. It'd be a waste but if he was putting people over at least he'd have something to do.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Am I the only one that remembers Swagger's first match on Raw against Cena where he took him to the limit?

I remember that. I think it came just before Sheamus' random WWE Title win at TLC. I still think that win should have been Swagger's.

[Wishbone]

I remember that. I think it came just before Sheamus' random WWE Title win at TLC. I still think that win should have been Swagger's.

You're probably right, but I'm bias as I love the great white so I'm happy he got that run.

[Immortal Moose]

We get the entrance :D

[Cool King]

Looking forward to hearing Curtis Axel's theme again.

[Wishbone]

HHH is in amazing shape lately. He should really consider coming back for one last real run.

[slik]

Interested to see what the big twist will be here.

[ClockShot]

Damn, a kicked up Mr. Perfect theme.

Did not expect that.

[Ermaximus]

Dude, that theme is pretty SSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

[#1-norm-fan]

True but if they don't do something with him then he's being wasted completely. If they don't want to put him in the title picture then they need to at least use him for something. It'd be a waste but if he was putting people over at least he'd have something to do.

I guess even if he doesn't get in the title picture, it might be cool just to have him as the established #2 face who constantly has major feuds just below Cena's title feud. Build him back up and even a Cena-Orton face vs face match for the title could be amazing.

[Wishbone]

Fuck his minitron does say Curtis!

[Corndad]

I saw this match on WWE '12 once.

[Immortal Moose]

Looking forward to hearing Curtis Axel's theme again.

It is pretty great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't dislike Sheamus -- the guy is really fucking good in the ring to the point where some things he does (not all) amazes me. His stuff against Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler? Magic. I just think the Swagger win would have been less random. Swagger had already been ECW Champion by this point. Sheamus has feuded with Goldust.

[KyleEmmott]

There's bound to be twist, maybe a second client or a return?

[ClockShot]

New theme, gear, name.

All sounds like a legit push for Perfect Jr. But like most, I think there's something more going on.

[Wishbone]

I guess even if he doesn't get in the title picture, it might be cool just to have him as the established #2 face who constantly has major feuds just below Cena's title feud. Build him back up and even a Cena-Orton face vs face match for the title could be amazing.

Eh that could work too I guess. But that's assuming he does get back in the title picture at some point.

[Immortal Moose]

Fuck his minitron does say Curtis!

eh, looked like Curt the first time to me as well.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fuck his minitron does say Curtis!

eh, looked like Curt the first time to me as well.

lol. I think they may have edited it since his first entrance.

[Ermaximus]

If his finisher is anything other than the PerfectPlex, I'll be rather displeased.

[KyleEmmott]

I like the black tape on Triple H

[KIRA]

Looking forward to hearing Curtis Axel's theme again.


UGH I didnt hear it that well why do new themes sometimes sound like they are being played from stereo with a mic placed in front of it

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. The main event of Raw right now is Triple H vs Michael McGillicutty. Craziness.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think they'd be pushing Michael McGillicutty into this and put the effort into remolding him if he wasn't going to do something here.

[slik]

2 count...1 more second to win.

Paul Heyman is great.

[Wishbone]

If he uses that stupid spinny thing he used as a finisher back in the nexus then I'm really going to be upset.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would have never predicted this.

[ClockShot]

Trips drugged or something?

Or is he doing one hell of a sell?

[Mr. Nerfect]

His gear is the same. He'll change that next week.

[Wishbone]

That ref sounds really raspy...

[Immortal Moose]

HHH is wigging out there's the excuse for Hennig's win.

[Wishbone]

HHH, mater of the sell.

[VSG]

HHH likes Ozarka

[Ermaximus]

LOL. Only HHH can stop a countout.

[KIRA]

I like that stupid spiny thing, I mean c'mon the peoples elbow for Christ sake.

[Immortal Moose]

That ref sounds really raspy...

Chioda always sounds like that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oooh! Are they gonna go the HBK-Owen "I was responsible for you passing out" thing? That would work...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Ring the bell already Curtis Axel wins.

[ClockShot]

FIGHT!

[Corndad]

He drugged??

[Wishbone]

Match gets called and Hennig gets to say he beat HHH so bad that he had to quit.

[slik]

Well, that was strange.

[Immortal Moose]

lol that was pretty good

[VSG]

THATS IT??????

[ClockShot]

The fuck is this shit?!