The "Tedious Wants To Create A Raw Thread While TPWW Is Still Alive" Thread

[el bobbo]

Classic Jeritroll.

[Immortal Moose]

Singular Falcons fan representing!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Something about the idea of Ryback standing tall as WWE Champion and CM Punk slowly walking out from the back (mysteriously absent during the lumberjack portion of the show) and staring down Ryback to close Payback actually appeals to me.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Yes, @<a href="https://twitter.com/cmpunk">cmpunk</a> would have been there himself but he's busy tweeting about hockey. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23RAWTonight">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/341735275371847680">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Anyway. How about those @<a href="https://twitter.com/nhlbruins">nhlbruins</a>?</p>&mdash; CM Punk (@CMPunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/341730557706780672">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Mr. Nerfect]

That's if they want to make Ryback a thing. They don't need to.

[Road Warrior]

Would Ryback beating John Cena in all three falls make him a credible WWE Champion?

If he won the first two why would they need a third ?

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh this is getting hot...

[KIRA]

Wow heyman needs an adult!

[Mr. Nerfect]

A loss to Cena would just leave me wondering where they put him next. Against Sheamus or Orton? He could win those respective matches, but it still wouldn't really put him towards any sort of goal. The more I think about it the more I think it would be beneficial to all (even Cena) to put Ryback over at Payback.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If he won the first two why would they need a third ?

They don't, but John Cena implied last week that after he beats Ryback in the first two there is still going to be a use for that ambulance because he'll be throwing Ryback into the back of it. It wasn't an official confirmation, but the WWE could announce that regardless of the outcome, the Ambulance Match stage will happen, even if the WWE Champion has already been decided.

I have a feeling that having Three Stages of Hell is simply there so that Ryback can get a fall against Cena without winning the WWE Championship. Damage control?

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's actually happening?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Couldn't be fucked getting a stream lol.

[ClockShot]

Time to promote that new show with the Bellas.

[Droford]

Ouch

[KIRA]

DEAR god divas who can wrestle and the crowd is dead I fucking hate this

[ClockShot]

Those tones in Kaitlyn's theme sound like the sound you just crossed the street in Frogger.

[el bobbo]

Are the Diva's required to wear pasties underneath their tops?

[Immortal Moose]

DEAR god divas who can wrestle and the crowd is dead I fucking hate this

Should have seen the Knockouts match last night.

[ClockShot]

No Shield sighting yet?

[el bobbo]

This bromance is on the rocks.

[Droford]

Hell vs No at payback

[KIRA]

Again Kane the calming influence not something I couldve predicted

[Droford]

No Shield sighting yet?

6 man match was 10 min in

[Immortal Moose]

No Shield sighting yet?

They were at the start of the show against Orton and Hell No.

[KIRA]

Monsters are real and there's a strong chance they own a rape van

[ClockShot]

Would have liked to see little Rotundo put on his daddy's suspenders and glasses.

But since the I.R.S. is on america's s*itlist at the moment.......

[KIRA]

Should have seen the Knockouts match last night.

I DID:heart::heart::love:

[ClockShot]

6 man match was 10 min in

That sucks.

Maybe they'll show up at the main event pending a Paul Heyman payoff.

[Immortal Moose]

Would have liked to see little Rotundo put on his daddy's suspenders and glasses.

But since the I.R.S. is on america's s*itlist at the moment.......

More importantly, McMahon's shitlist.

[el bobbo]

Holla', if ya' hear me.

[Droford]

Lol if they added the siren to ryback's theme

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

holler if you hear me

[Rollermacka]

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Every time I hear that siren I wait to hear those words....

[el bobbo]

What's this move called? It's like a twisted half-crab.

[KIRA]

Its weird that little joke about DB needing to snap and be a machine that was around these boards for a while when he first showed up has come to pass and nobody seems to notice.

[Poit]

Cole just said "Curtis Angle". :lol:

[Droford]

Wow that was crazy

[KIRA]

Neither of them look weak love it

[el bobbo]

Let's hope Cena comes out for the rescue...

[el bobbo]

called it.

[Droford]

Teddy long comes out..tag match!

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Just have the match around Bryan's lifeless body.

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd laugh if they'd just have the Cena-Axel match with Bryan laying in the ring the whole time

[Heisenberg]

Nice transition into the main event there

[Droford]

Someone's going through that table

[Droford]

No dq match with count outs

That don't make no sense

[Corndad]

Daniel Bryan is my Hero.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm already dreading the end of this match when Cena loses to Axel, probably with Ryback's help and the commentators act like pinning Cena is completely unthinkable.

[Corndad]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I may be the best in the world at what I do, but @<a href="https://twitter.com/wwedanielbryan">wwedanielbryan</a> is the best performer in the entire business right now.<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23muchrespect">#muchrespect</a> @<a href="https://twitter.com/wwe">wwe</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/341748203143692288">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Droford]

When did they institute a 1 chair shot per pin attempt rule

[ClockShot]

Could they drag this out any longer?

[ClockShot]

:rofl:

An ipad.

[Droford]

Lol hit him with a ipad

[el bobbo]

Hey, you can't hit people in the head with an iPad. You're gonna get fined for that.

[ClockShot]

YOUR WINNER, CUR-TIS AX-EL!

[Droford]

The countout kid cutis axel

[Corndad]

AXEL WINS! AXEL WINS! AXEL WINS!

[#1-norm-fan]

lol Wait... A COUNTOUT IN A NO DQ MATCH!?!?

Tricky, tricky, WWE.

[el bobbo]

I call shenanigans. I am going to file a formal complaint with my local WWE representative.

[Lock Jaw]

I greatly enjoyed the D-Bry and Ryback match. Daniel Bryan is on fire right now.


Also:

Are King and Cole really in Hangover 3?

I haven't seen it, but apparently some mentally challenged character is seen watching a John Cena vs. CM Punk match.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>For those of u who wondered about me counting n a NO DQ Match, IT WAS A NO DQ MATCH NOT A NO COUNTOUT MATCH! See rule 114-7a !!!</p>&mdash; Scott Armstrong (@WWEArmstrong) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEArmstrong/status/341762165604225025">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[el bobbo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>For those of u who wondered about me counting n a NO DQ Match, IT WAS A NO DQ MATCH NOT A NO COUNTOUT MATCH! See rule 114-7a !!!</p>&mdash; Scott Armstrong (@WWEArmstrong) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEArmstrong/status/341762165604225025">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Is there a real rulebook? I would buy that so fast.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Love the referees being on Twitter. Charles Robinson did a good job trying to explain the Last Man Standing ending at Extreme Rules too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope Chris Jericho gets the opportunity to work with Daniel Bryan in the future. Man, they would have such a fantastic match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How Curtis Axel can beat the WWE Champion two weeks in a row and not be considered the #1 Contender to the WWE Title is beyond me.

[Lock Jaw]

Because he beat him by Ryback-induced countout wins?

[Lock Jaw]

They should give Curtis Axel a "The Countout Kid" gimmick. Where he insists that he can only win matches via countout.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I still think that Axel, who grew up in the business with Stephanie McMahon, should come out and reveal that he had a thing going with her in their younger years, back before she married Triple H. Steph's only three years older than Axel.

It could be a nice little way for Axel to actually get some heat onto himself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, could you imagine how hilarious it would be if Axel took old photos of himself and clearly Photoshopped them into situations from the past? He can be laughing as Stephanie is covered in cake, as I'm sure they've done to her, and they can have a still of Triple H with the drugged Stephanie, but put Axel's face over it and have him imply he did it all before Hunter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And then he challenges Triple H to A COUNTOUT MATCH!

[Poit]

A countout match sounds like it could actually be an interesting gimmick match. Sorta a variant of a last man standing match.

[MIZantine Empire]

Cole just said "Curtis Angle". :lol:

He did that at least twice that I heard..

[Mr. Nerfect]

A Countout Match could be great if executed properly, but it could also be pretty lame if it wasn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was in here that we were discussing Sheamus? I was reading an article recently that suggested that the one thing he really lacks in his career are "moments." Those things that make you truly remember a talent. He's solid, he's over, he wins titles and does a good job -- but a lot of his "moments" came as he was a heel early on in his career.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A random thought on Curtis Axel:

If he actually makes it as a credible heel in the main event scene, when Tyson Kidd returns, would Axel vs. Kidd be able to help elevate Kidd to a higher level than anyone thought he could reach?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Daniel Bryan was the star of the show. As much as Gertner is going to cry into his pillow, Bryan showed that he has the BIG personality and the intangibles that could concievabley make him a draw. Which actually 100% shocks the shit out of me. As wonderful as an in ring talent he had always been, I didn't think he had what it took to survive the shark tank. You watch that match with Ryback and with the Shield, the audience bough EVERYTHING, and if Ryback tapped, that building would have fucking exploded. It would have been a throwback moment. Problem is, I feel like they're going to do what they always do, and strike AFTER the iron is hot, and he won't get the one defining win, where the audience goes absolutely buckshit like it would have last night. Oh well, was a tremendous performance lastnight, in two matches.

[Innovator]

I thought for a minute Ryback was gonna tap then lay him out after, "saving himself" for the ppv.

[Innovator]

Daniel Bryan won the night.

[MIZantine Empire]

Daniel Bryan was the star of the show. As much as Gertner is going to cry into his pillow, Bryan showed that he has the BIG personality and the intangibles that could concievabley make him a draw. Which actually 100% shocks the shit out of me. As wonderful as an in ring talent he had always been, I didn't think he had what it took to survive the shark tank. You watch that match with Ryback and with the Shield, the audience bough EVERYTHING, and if Ryback tapped, that building would have fucking exploded. It would have been a throwback moment. Problem is, I feel like they're going to do what they always do, and strike AFTER the iron is hot, and he won't get the one defining win, where the audience goes absolutely buckshit like it would have last night. Oh well, was a tremendous performance lastnight, in two matches.

He did get that tho.. When he cashed in his mitb that place erupted

[loopydate]

They should give Curtis Axel a "The Countout Kid" gimmick. Where he insists that he can only win matches via countout.

For a while, wasn't Berserker winning all his matches by count-out?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I still survive in Draft and Destroy.

[Hanso Amore]

For a while, wasn't Berserker winning all his matches by count-out?

Yeah. His finisher was tossing his opponent over the top rope and getting a countout.

For real.

That was his finisher.

The Viking with a Sword. Toss over the top rope.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He did get that tho.. When he cashed in his mitb that place erupted

that's different.... it was a cheesey title win, and he got it for shock value. Lastnight he would have gotten the pop for a brilliant all around performance.

[Big Vic]

You fail to realize that WWE is a business and that that would hurt there "Payback" numbers.

[Theo Dious]

Absurd. Everyone knows that Vince McMahon doesn't care about money and intentionally does stupid, bad-for-business things so that he can think of the misery it causes people and touch himself.

Except for when Vince McMahon only cares about money and will do anything he can think of to get more of it.

I imagine I will go to my grave being completely unable to understand how the smarkiest smarks who ever smarked simultaneously believe both of these things.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jim Ross and Chris Jericho have both taken to Twitter and called Daniel Bryan the best performer the WWE has right now. This might seem absurd, given he just won the title, but would Dean Ambrose vs. Daniel Bryan, with Bryan possibly winning the US Title, be a good move to go forward with since both Ambrose and Bryan are reaching "white-hot" areas? A match between the two at Payback would absolutely tear the place down. Imagine if they beat the crap out of each other for thirty minutes or something and then the ring bell went off because "Ladies and gentleman, our timekeeper has informed us that the time limit for this contest has expired...therefore, STILL the United States Champion...DEAN AMBROSE!" Ambrose looks angry at first, but then scurries off with his US Title as Bryan kicks things around the ring and isn't satisfied with having merely an amazing performance, because by not capturing the US Title he feels like a "weak link."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Daniel Bryan was the star of the show. As much as Gertner is going to cry into his pillow, Bryan showed that he has the BIG personality and the intangibles that could concievabley make him a draw. Which actually 100% shocks the shit out of me. As wonderful as an in ring talent he had always been, I didn't think he had what it took to survive the shark tank. You watch that match with Ryback and with the Shield, the audience bough EVERYTHING, and if Ryback tapped, that building would have fucking exploded. It would have been a throwback moment. Problem is, I feel like they're going to do what they always do, and strike AFTER the iron is hot, and he won't get the one defining win, where the audience goes absolutely buckshit like it would have last night. Oh well, was a tremendous performance lastnight, in two matches.

In defence of the WWE, they have seemingly noticed that since dropping the Tag Team Titles, Bryan's new-found intensity has truly made him white-hot. That's probably why he was given the chance to partake in not one, but two matches that reached the fifteen-minute mark. He also technically got to defeat the #1 Contender for the WWE Title. I'm not sure what the WWE has planned, exactly, but it seems like plans have changed to accommodate Bryan's tear.

[James Steele]

Say what you want about Vince, but he clearly has a soft spot for truly great technical wrestlers. They always get a push if they show some iota of charisma and stay on the roster for years. Hosses may get pushed faster (and harder), but he will fire them much more quickly than a solid worker.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well he knows how much more versatile a great worker is. But I mean I think Daniel Bryan is better than a Chris Benoit for instance. Bryan can do it all. Where he lacks obviously is size, but there is no way he can put on size with the WWE schedule the way it is. And I do think that plays a factor, as much as it pains me to say. BUT he did make that match with Ryback believable. But it IS hard.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You do want the WHOLE package. Even Bret and Shawn were reasonabley big guys. Both being around 230-240 pounds. Honestly I wish he was like 3 inches taller and 15-20 pounds heavier, because he's really just a cruiserweight. Visually it's hard to make it believable. But he is SO tremendous that he's doing his damndest to make it work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He makes it work. The dude is the Bruce Lee of WWE.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

About a million times better than Rey Misterio IMO

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's his style. There's a realistic grittiness to Bryan's striking, grappling and gusto that just make you believe he could grab a leg of Ryback's like that and actually hold him in a submission hold -- because he did. We saw it.

[CSL]

Well he knows how much more versatile a great worker is. But I mean I think Daniel Bryan is better than a Chris Benoit for instance. Bryan can do it all. Where he lacks obviously is size, but there is no way he can put on size with the WWE schedule the way it is. And I do think that plays a factor, as much as it pains me to say. BUT he did make that match with Ryback believable. But it IS hard.

50 times the "sports entertainer" Benoit ever was

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

50 times the "sports entertainer" Benoit ever was

Agreed. 100 per cent. Though the work rate fanboy in me would have LOVED to see those two tangle.

[Theo Dious]

The most entertaining thing Benoit ever did was take a piss and time it as taking longer than his US title match against Orlando Jordan. Short runner up would be putting Angle's medals in his pants. Other than that, meh. Bryan beats him in every category except being able to turn a lame attempt at a catchphrase into a funny Tshirt.

[Theo Dious]

And he'll probably do that eventually.

[Mr. Nerfect]

"Don't poke the bear!"

[James Steele]

I think it has become far too common for everyone to shit on Benoit's skills. It is quite easy to shit on him, but him being a murdering sack of shit didn't turn him into a shit wrestler.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Benoit was one of the best ever. He didn't need to promo like The Rock to have charisma.

[James Steele]

Anyway, Daniel Bryan is amazing. We've seen it since he debuted in WWE. He can get a crowd into a match and fired up just from wrestling. He did it before he even had name recognition as a legit "star". People still watch wrestling for the in-ring product. People pay $70 for WrestleMania for the matches. Promos and things are there to build to the match and get people excited to see the match. Some guys don't need to be able to cut insane promos on every show to accomplish that because people know they will deliver every time.

Punk/Jericho at Payback is a good example. It doesn't need a shitload of promos, segments, video packages, etc. People know it will be awesome and they just need to do enough promos to give the match a reason to happen. I promise you that if WWE produced a show that was nothing but promos and video packages - it would fail. Look at that show TNA had that was just backstage promos. It doesn't work. What do people complain about the most on WWE shows? Too many promos, recaps, segments, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan is amazing. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- he "gets it."

[CSL]

I think it has become far too common for everyone to shit on Benoit's skills. It is quite easy to shit on him, but him being a murdering sack of shit didn't turn him into a shit wrestler.

my opinion of Benoit hasn't really ever changed, killyowifekillyokid or not. Outstanding wrestler bell to bell if his style is your thing, black hole of personality otherwise. Bryan is better in every way except for his look, which is where Benoit "exceeded". For a small guy, he was fucking huge.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Bryan was equally as boring as Benoit for me up until around 12-14 months ago. He's gone to show he's got so much more to offer than Benoit ever did though.

He's much more comparable to Angle than Benoit if you ask me.

And I haven't even seen the last few weeks where everyone's been raving about him even more than ever. Benoit was just so utterly dull.

[CSL]

yah haven't seen anything from him during this apparent "super hot period" except his run in on Smackdown during the Orton/Ambrose match, should probs czech it out

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan was equally as boring as Benoit for me up until around 12-14 months ago. He's gone to show he's got so much more to offer than Benoit ever did though.

He's much more comparable to Angle than Benoit if you ask me.

And I haven't even seen the last few weeks where everyone's been raving about him even more than ever. Benoit was just so utterly dull.

I've made the Angle/Bryan comparison before. Since Bryan's super-sly heel turn as World Champion last year (which was brilliant, by the way), Bryan has shown a goofier side outside the ring, which I think works in the way that Kurt was goofy but still someone you just didn't fuck with.

[Theo Dious]

I think it has become far too common for everyone to shit on Benoit's skills. It is quite easy to shit on him, but him being a murdering sack of shit didn't turn him into a shit wrestler.

I said exactly the same thing while he was alive. He had excellent technical skills for sure, but not as good as Bryan's, and Bryan is far more entertaining in all ways.