Smack Down! is better than RAW...(spoilers, I guess))

[Mr. JL]

Smack Down! is better than RAW.

First off, Smack Down! has a champion who is the main focus of the show. Eddie Guerrero is absolute GOLDEN right now and has never looked better. His promos are great and his in-ring work is even better.

JBL... John Bradshaw Layfield has been cutting some amazing promos. His match with Mysterio was 5 times better than anything that I've ever seen from him.

This Guerrero-JBL match at Judgment Day should be pretty darn good. With Guerrero being his better than perfect self in and out of the ring and JBL putting up some great promos and some good matches I can really see this feud leaving a lasting positive impression. I predict it will be the modern day Hart-Diesel feud which was great.


Booker T being a heel and recieving mic time. Finally, Booker T is getting what he deserves. His match against Nunzio & Stamboli made him look like a Champ! Its about time Booker T was given an actual program to work with and he has never been better.

Undertaker & Paul Bearer have been handled very well. Undertaker rising up from the fog and appearing in the ring was a nice touch and it would be cool if that is the manner in which he always entered the ring. Only Mark Calloway could bring back the energy of the old Undertaker while wearing cowboy and biker attire. Its been absolutely great.


Rob Van Dam is the man. He got one of the loudest cheers of the night during his match. RVD will be WWE Champion in 2005. Also, who can beat the tag team of Mysterio & RVD?

The Dudley's have also re-invented themselves and seem to have picked up alot of steam. Their match against RVD & Mysterio could steal the show.

Mordecai. His promos are awesome and he has a really cool look to him. He is supposed to debut this Sunday night and I cannot wait.

John Cena knows how to entertain the crowd and get them to respond to even the slightest and simplistic moves. His match with Rene should impress.

Rico & Haas. Absolutely hilarious!
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Since the lottery draft I have found Smack Down! to be the superior show. RAW just bores me and I'm not too sure why. I'm just sad that the ratings for Smack Down! have dropped significantly. If Smack Down! was only live, it would beat RAW in the ratings.

Also, you should give John Bradshaw Layfield a chance. I have and he's done nothing but impress me. WATCH SMACK DOWN! ...its better than raw.


....NUMBER #1 SMACK DOWN! fan.

[Wildcat789]

I enjoy smackdown more than raw myself..

I'm not sure why, maybe it's that the underdog show needs to be appreciate more or something along those lines. When it comes to Guerrero, yes he is the man, in and out of the ring. JBL's character is absolutely top notch, he's definately a great heel. His in-ring work is a little bland, but it's always a matter of opinion. Many people prefer mat wrestling (including myself), but his smashmouth style is always entertaining and a little refreshing to watch.

[Champion of Europa]

RAW is fantastic. Smackdown is balls right now.

[The CyNick]

RAW has put on better shows recently because of the talent on the show compared to SD. Its hard to compare HBK-Benoit to Eddie-Bubba.

But I dont think SD is as bad as some people say, like I said they just dont have the horses to have the great main events. Check that, they could have some great main events, but they're not pushing the talented ring workers.

[Shadow]

I love SD!. Always have, always will. I think its mostly because they have some fantastic talent and they were being used like chumps. Now, they've got something going for them. Personally, I can't wait till the fall-out from JD. With the new guy coming in, JBL maybe the next WWE champ, it will be off the hook.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I agree with CyNick. Now prior to the lottery, Smackdown was far and away the better show. Back when you had Benoit, Eddie, Kurt, Brock, WGTT, Rey, Chavo all as main focuses. Since the draft, it was almost as if what we all thought the purpose of the draft was [to bring drawing power to Smackdown] was the exact opposite of what WWE wanted to do [seemingly break the wrestling edge that Smackdown had over Raw]. Smackdown still has the talent, it's just going to take a bit more work to get them over.

[The CyNick]

I agree with CyNick. Now prior to the lottery, Smackdown was far and away the better show. Back when you had Benoit, Eddie, Kurt, Brock, WGTT, Rey, Chavo all as main focuses. Since the draft, it was almost as if what we all thought the purpose of the draft was [to bring drawing power to Smackdown] was the exact opposite of what WWE wanted to do [seemingly break the wrestling edge that Smackdown had over Raw]. Smackdown still has the talent, it's just going to take a bit more work to get them over.

It was simple, HHH ran out of opponents, he picked the best worker (Benoit) on SD and the guy with the biggest future (Edge), and now RAW seems stacked (weith SD lsoing Angle and Lesnar).

In the long run SD will always be the better show to watch, because no matter what is said, HHH cant help but bury everyone around him.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Too true. Honestly, Triple H is probably the smartest worker in the business. Yes, he's squashing his opponents, which isn't good for the company in the long run, BUT he's being smart enough to allow opponents to be built up so he still gets his pay day.

I think (and hope I'm wrong) that's what he's doing with Benoit, and that's why for the most part HBK is working with Chris. He knows that right now, he has no one who can bring in buy rates (thus a high paycheck) so he's letting Chris build momentum before getting his belt back (make no mistakes, that is HHH's belt).

He's killing the company, but he's making himself a hell of a lot of money in the process, and Vince is too blinded with love for Stephanie to stop it.

[Kazara]

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In the long run SD will always be the better show to watch, because no matter what is said, HHH cant help but bury everyone around him.</i>

God, Shut up. He made Tajirii, Shelton Benjamin, and Chris Beniot look like a Million Bucks.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

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In the long run SD will always be the better show to watch, because no matter what is said, HHH cant help but bury everyone around him.</i>

God, Shut up. He made Tajirii, Shelton Benjamin, and Chris Beniot look like a Million Bucks.

So he made 3 people look great. I would dispute Shelton but I'm not going to get into why I think he didn't put Shelton over.

He's buried Kane, RVD, Chris Jericho, and Booker T just to name a few. Now before burying each of those workers, he put them over like a million bucks as well.

Tajiri's rub will come to nothing. Beniot's win, will be repaid (trust me) and Shelton rub will go no where for quite some time.

[ItsTimeForAChange]

I really enjoy SmackDown!, and the main reason is the crusierweights. They never cease to put on a good show, and of course, lets not forget Mr. Thursday Night, Rob Van ****ing Dam.

But, that being said, RAW owns SmackDown!. Why? Two Words: Randy Orton

[El Santo]

Yeah, JBL wasn't too bad tonight. What really bugs me about Smackdown lately are all the blown opportunities.

For example: why are they pushing JBL only over small guys? He hardnly looks like he deserves to be in the main event. However, he could've gotten some major credibilty if he'd destroyed someone his size or larger, like, say, the Big Show. Show was taking time off anyway, so why not have JBL "end his career"? Hell, it would've been a lot more logical than Show attacking Torrie and then murdering Kurt Angle.

[John la Rock]

RAW IS 100 X better than Smackdown right now. It's not even close

If Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar were still competing on Smackdown I might say different.

[Corkscrewed]

I'm a huge SD! fan, but even I have to agree that RAW is looking better right now. SmackDOWN! has lost the focus it had going into Wrestlemania, while RAW has delivered on high quality main events and near-PPV excitement. When's the last time SD! did anything really shocking or markoutish? It's been a while IMO.

I was just about to post an "article" about the state of SD. I'll get to that in a moment, but suffice to say, while there have been some positives, I feel there is so much more the writers can do for the show that they haven't done, and it really does seem like they just don't care about SD, that they're treating it as the bullied younger brother.

[Nowhere Man]

I won't comment on the Raw/SD comparisons, but I will say that there is only one company in the world that would actually job out Rey Mysterio Jr. to ****ing Bradshaw. :foc:

[Corkscrewed]

Cheap Plug (http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)

:D

[thuganomicalcrippler]

Well, although Raw has been good lately, I think that for the last three or four shows, SD! has been gaining momentum. Who knows, maybe after Judgement Day, we could have Smackdown! being at least comparable to Raw.

[Stickman]

I don't think SD has ever been better than Raw. Maybe I'm stubborn, but wrestling is a Monday night show. Smackdown just doesn't do anything for me. Yeah, Eddie's a great Champion and the centre of the show, but I'm tired of his promo's cuz they're always the same and he has nobody to fued with. Aside from him and Taker (yes i'm a taker fan) there's nobody else to watch. RVD is gold but they need to do soemthign with him. Cena is alright, but does he need to make everything he says rhyme? Who else, Booker T, I've never been a fan of his. Big Show can be entertaining if he feels like it. Cruiserweights dont' do anything in the wwe. Other than that, what is there?

[tucsonspeed6]

I just love Smackdown right now! I was all ears when they showed JBL giving Guererro's mother a heart attack. It's got all the class and entertainment factors that the angles featuring Jericho running over HHH's dog and Zack Gowen's mom screaming "Leave him alone" ringside (Which by the way, I was terrified that Brock was going to hurt Gowen's mom and I prayed to GOD that he wouldn't.) And the angle with Booker T going out to the cemetery to get help to beat the Undertaker....SPOOKY!!! Let me tell you...every time I see Percy Pringle on my TV, I throw the channel changer under the couch so nobody can change the channel. [/extremesarchasm]

[John la Rock]

The only wrestlers I like watching on Smackdown right now are Eddie and Taker. I would say Cena but this rap gimmick is all ready way too old. RVD also needs a heel turn or something and Booker T could be better

I love everything about Raw. Minus HBK cause he's still a face :mad:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Oh and John, I love how you negative repped me, but didn't give a decent argument.

Yes, Triple H is allowed to win matches, that matter that he wins is the issues. Take Booker T. Triple H was down for 10 seconds after connecting with the pedigree, then went for the three count. That makes Booker look extremely weak, especially considering Triple H kicked out of Booker T's finisher almost right after it connected.

[CBright7831]

:nono:

[Longshot]

Well firstly I'd like to say that it appears that the WWE is trying to make Raw and Smackdown! totally opposite kinds of stroyline from eachother.

Raw is the more 'Realistic' storyline from the late 90's - current while Smacdown is starting to bring back storylines similar to the late 80's and early 90's.

By this I mean the character on Smackdown! are becoming more like the characters of the late 80's early 90's. You got the Undertaker as his old deadman gimmick (and I love it), JOHN CENA who's is kind of like an updated version of the Honky Tonk Man...but people love him, JOHN BRADSHAW LAYFIELD who is like the Million Dollar Man, MARK JINDRAK who looks like he is becoming more like Lex Luger's old gimmick the Narcissist (sp?), RENE DUPREE who is becoming the next 'Model' Rick Martel, and from what I hear Booker T is going to be repackaged as a Papa Shongo type character.

I'm not saying these characters are bad, if fact I like watching pretty much all of them in the ring but overall I still enjoy watching Raw over Smackdown!

This being said I am going to the Smackdown! show on June 1st at the Air Canada Center (10th row from the ring :D ) and I can't wait to go.

[Ferocious]

This being said I am going to the Smackdown! show on June 1st at the Air Canada Center (10th row from the ring :D ) and I can't wait to go.
Please hold up a sign that says

FEROCIOUS > goldbird

[Nowhere Man]

Please hold up a sign that says

FEROCIOUS > goldbird

Or at the very least "L-C Fears Nowhere Man"

[Loose Cannon]

Okay, didn't want to do this, but I've been forced. This one's for you Nowhere

Play the song, I command you.

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[Rob]

In my opinion, Smackdown is fu</>cking crap. I can't believe they got to a point where I wouldn't want to watch a show where Eddie Guerrero is the world champion.

[Batsu]

Smackdown...

only thing I like about it is the focus on the champ, and Booker T as heel. Otherwise, they're lacking. I remember when Smackdown was the absolute show to watch, and RAW SUCKED. In fact, that kinda ticked me off... before I moved, when WWE came to our town, the B-show would always come. Before, it was Smackdown... the last show I saw there? Raw.

Now, it's flipped. The last straw for me on Smackdown was the loss of Chris Benoit.

[Longshot]

Please hold up a sign that says

FEROCIOUS > goldbird

Yeah I dont think so. :rofl:

From where we are sitting and where the cameras are usually placed, one of them should be facing up directly. So we plan on bringing a sign but we dont know what we will put on it yet.

Also I will be taking my digital camera so once I get home I can upload the pics right away :D

[Ferocious]

Yeah I dont think so. :rofl:


Are you saying that

Ferocious < Goldbird ??

or that you arent taking the sign?

[Longshot]

umm...the second one.

[John la Rock]

Oh and John, I love how you negative repped me, but didn't give a decent argument.

Yes, Triple H is allowed to win matches, that matter that he wins is the issues. Take Booker T. Triple H was down for 10 seconds after connecting with the pedigree, then went for the three count. That makes Booker look extremely weak, especially considering Triple H kicked out of Booker T's finisher almost right after it connected.

Ok I agree that HHH made look Booker T look weak and it was a stupid move on Vince's part NOT TRIPLE H!!!!!!

It pisses me off that mostly everybody here complains about HHH saying he buried this person and the next person and so on. Every time HHH wins a match you people always complain and don't realize that HHH is an established main-eventer who's been busting his ass for the WWE for almost 10 years and deserves to be where he is. I would bet a million dollars that you weren't complaining in 1999-2001 when all the "smarks" loved him. Why cause he's married to Steph everyone thinks less of him and wants him to die? retarded.

And of course he has an ego. EVERY WRESTLER DOES!!!

"Oh he beat RVD with the Pedigree, RVD got burried" :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

RAW has put on better shows recently because of the talent on the show compared to SD. Its hard to compare HBK-Benoit to Eddie-Bubba.

But I dont think SD is as bad as some people say, like I said they just dont have the horses to have the great main events. Check that, they could have some great main events, but they're not pushing the talented ring workers.
Nailed it on the head. There's some pretty weak talent on Smackdown, and very few people to main event that are worth a damn.

However, what they do have is damn fine. A lot of it's not being used.

We have Jackie as CW champ, and Ultimo Dragon's doing what? Shannon Moore would get more exposure as a shoe-shine boy in Calcutta. Cena's got potential, but he's been stale of late...I'm hoping a little time off or something will help. JBL's gimmick is awesome, but in the end, it's still Bradshaw. Rico and Haas are awesome together, but comedy angles rarely make a show. Eddie is seriously great too, but against JBL, I don't have high hopes for this match.

[tucsonspeed6]

The following is the dialogue of a WWE meeting concerning the state of Smackdown.

Vince: Ok, everyone. Smackdown's ratings have been going way down, while Raws have been back to fairly steady rates. Any ideas what's going on here?

Undertaker: It's that damn Guerrero. He's a screwup as the champ.

Vince: Hmm....you've got a point there, Mark. What if we have you take him on in a title match. You think you can carry him?

Taker: Well, I might be able to, but there's no saying. I can't be a miracle worker.

*Both begin laughing hysterically*

Heyman: Uh, guys....I think there are more problems with the show than the main event. The writing is....

Vince: Heyman, who let you in here?

Heyman: Vince, I attend all of these meetings. I've been doing so since you hired me.

Vince: I don't remember ever inviting you. You're lucky I don't fire your ass for crashing all of our meetings. Get out!

*Heyman leaves without saying a word almost as if it were an everyday thing...*

Shane: Yo, pops. How this for ratings. Have Big show come back, flipping cars like a madman. THen Stephanie shows up and tries to stop him, but he goes crazy and hits her. THat's when I show up to protect her and he and I have an epic feud for 6 months ending in a "Flip the Ambulance" match. I throw him in the Ambulance and flip it over and they declare me the Australian champion.

*Vince's eyes widen in delight.*
Vince* Shane, that's absolutely brilliant!

Shane: Hey, pops, what can I say? Like father like son!!

Vince: All we need is for Steph to agree to be involved. Steph?

*Stephanie sits on HHH's lap on a chair in the corner of the room filing her nails.*

Vince: Steph? Steph!
SHane: Yo, sis!
Vince: STEPH STEPH STEPH!!!
Undertaker: STEPH!
Vince: Hey Steph!
Shane: Yo, sis, wake up!

*HHH nudges Stephanie. SHe snaps out of her trance*

Steph: Huh? What?

Vince: We need you to be part of Big Show's big return. Are you in?

Steph: Huh? When did Big Show leave? Is he hurt?

Shane: You remember that big episode of Smackdown when Angle got his leg broken and Big Show flipped that car over, right sis?

Steph: Angle broke his leg? How long will he be out? Huh?

*Vince rolls his eyes*
Vince: Are you in or out, Steph?

Stephanie: I guess I'm in. It'll have to wait until I'm done with my nails.

Vince: It'll be taped on Tuesday.

Steph: Huh?

Vince: :nono: I can't believe I'm going to hand the company over to her...

Shane: What's that, pop?

Vince: Oh...nothing, Shawn.

Shane: THat's Shane, pop.

Vince: Right. What...did I call you Stone Cold again?

HHH interupts: Hey! YOu wanna know why Smackdown's down in the ratings? It's cause I'm not there!

Vince: You're right. We should have kept you traded when we had the storyline all written up.

*A thought bubble appears over HHH's head. Inside is a picture of a sinking ship.*
HHH: Uh....actually, I'm in the middle of a feud with Shawn. And after that I'm gonna squash that Benjamin kid a few times. And plus, you've got me due up for the World title again in a couple months. Remember?

Vince: Oh yeah. Hey, let's call it a day.

Shane: WHat about Smackdown?

Vince: Is that O'Hare guy around to blame it on?

Shane: No, you fired him.

Vince: Oh yeah. We'll blame it on Dupree then.

Shane: Sounds good.

*ALL leave.*

The end.

[The Mackem]

Smackdown looks very much like the B show at the moment. And what's with these stupid JBL matches?

[Stickman]

I think they should make a huge "trade" or say contracts ran out and there's another free agent frenzy. Maybe send a couple major players to smackdown. However, I think the only way Smackdown will take off is if it's live. That way big stars like the Rock can show up without it being spoiled. Or they could just end the "brand split".

Hmm....Jericho on Smackdown???

[John la Rock]

oh Kane Knight

thanks for the bad rep. Why cause I spoke my mind?

**** you :mad:

[Kane Knight]

oh Kane Knight

thanks for the bad rep. Why cause I spoke my mind?

**** you :mad:
No, because (To borrow from Ferocious), "you spoke pure ass."

Here's a thought: Try thinking through your arguments, and then speak from your diaphragm, not your colon.

[Mr. JL]

oh Kane Knight

thanks for the bad rep. Why cause I spoke my mind?

**** you :mad:

John la Rock = Hypocrite.

You just repped me negatively the other day because I spoke my mind.

[Nark Order]

Loose Cannon..... you are the biggest Orton mark ever...

[John la Rock]

John la Rock = Hypocrite.

You just repped me negatively the other day because I spoke my mind.

well shit happens

[Kane Knight]

Shit happens....

Yeah, cry about being martyred for speaking your mind when you neg rep people for the same.

OH BOO HOO HOO!

KANE KNIGHT IS JUST AS BAD AS SADDAM!

[Kane Knight]

Ok I agree that HHH made look Booker T look weak and it was a stupid move on Vince's part NOT TRIPLE H!!!!!!
Because?

It pisses me off that mostly everybody here complains about HHH saying he buried this person and the next person and so on.
Cry me a river. Nobody's forcing you to come on the internet, where people aren't quite so jaded by your HHH fetish. :)

Every time HHH wins a match you people always complain and don't realize that HHH is an established main-eventer who's been busting his ass for the WWE for almost 10 years and deserves to be where he is.
Busting his ass? Can I have some of the crack you've been smoking?

Yeah, he's an established main eventer. And what's that saying about eggs in baskets? You build a show around him, his ego, and justify that he's been busting his ass. He cannot carry the show forever, either way, and having decimated almost every wrestler on Raw, having Benoit only become champ because it was a Triple Threat match, this weakens the overall fabric of the show.

hey, let's bring back Hulk Hogan, ahve him get a clean win over everyone, and then wonder why business goes down the shitter...

I would bet a million dollars that you weren't complaining in 1999-2001 when all the "smarks" loved him. Why cause he's married to Steph everyone thinks less of him and wants him to die?
Wait. So it's wrong to hate him now because you loved him back when he actually worked, wasn't boring, and wasn't so entrenched in backstage politics? Triple H WAS a good worker. Past Tense. It's moronic to think that you should always worship a guy, no matter how low he goes.

By the way, for someone slinging around the word retarded, you should at least check your little dramawhore whining for Hyperbole. Everyone wants Triple H to die? Moron. :nono:


And of course he has an ego. EVERY WRESTLER DOES!!!
AND IF EVERY WRESTLER'S EGO INTERFERED WITH THE SHOW AND MY ENTERTAINMENT, YOU'D HAVE A VALID POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

[John la Rock]

You do know that the WWE is VINCE MCMAHON's Company. Not Paul Levesque's. Vince made the decision for the HHH/Booker T finish at Wrestlemania XIX. I hated the finish too but you can't blame HHH just because he was in the match. Vince has the final say on everything within the company.

I do think that HHH gets over critisized on the internet. He still is a decent worker and it doesn't help when you're feuding with Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, and Goldberg for most of 2003. My god Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit couldn't even help those useless ****ers in the ring. Have you seen his matches lately? They've been awesome!!!

I don't have any more time to waste with these arguments because I have better things to do. Bottom line is i'm a HHH fan and I'm proud of it

[Kane Knight]

I suppose I coulda said all that in the first place instead of neg repping you, but I've seen the same moronic argument for like 2 years now, it hasn't changed, only the idiots who spout it.

You're pent up and frustrated that wrestling's been doing bad, and you want to blame someone...But wrestling isn't the one at fault...It's those damn follower smarks...Why can we just like what we're told to like and not be critical of boring roid freaks? Oh, the humanity!

Sorry, folks. Us "Smarks" (Moronic term) are speaking what we perceive to be the truth. This is no more or less valid than anyone else's opinion, though some people are generally more informed than others, and some people actually put thought into their ranting. When the WWE does something right, we still get excited. It's just that all of us, for one reason or another, are not happy with the current product. A lot of us agree on a few key points...We disagree on other points (Just look at the Orton/anti-orton issues around here).

As was pointed out, when wrestling was doing well, almost nobody was criticising the WWF. Was it because all the smarks were followers? No. It was because wrestling was actually something worth watching at the time, every week, every show, come Hell or High Water. They had tons of fans basically waving money at them.

Now, they don't. Their ratings are lower, I doubt they can move merchandise as well (and I know that they can't get it out in as many retail locations as before), and wrestling has lost its pop appeal, too. Vince and co need to turn the mirror on themselves, and take a long look at the egos and bad business decisions that are really to blame here.

And idiots like you need to stop saying "U guyz were all ovr tripul h in 2K!!!!!!!!!" Because he's a different person now. He's not putting on entertaining matches, he's not the worker he used to be, and he's stagnating at the top. And I was careful not to bring Stephanie into this, because I'm speaking purely from a view of the effect on the entertainment. Whether he's got an in because he's sleeping with the boss' daughter or because he's sleeping with the boss himsel,f or because he promised his soul to satan, I don't care, because it's still boring me. It's boring a lot of people. Hey, that might be a problem.

Now, his authority probably comes with his relationship with Steph. People talking about Trips holding people down have a legitimate gripe, even if sometimes blown out of proportion. However, when people bitch about how people liked him in 2000, it becomes massively stupid.

[Kane Knight]

You do know that the WWE is VINCE MCMAHON's Company. Not Paul Levesque's. Vince made the decision for the HHH/Booker T finish at Wrestlemania XIX. I hated the finish too but you can't blame HHH just because he was in the match. Vince has the final say on everything within the company.
:lol:

Yes, the only person who has a say in the company is Vince McMahon. Despite the fact that you know, it's a corporation, vince doesn't make all the decisions personally, etc.

I do think that HHH gets over critisized on the internet. He still is a decent worker and it doesn't help when you're feuding with Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, and Goldberg for most of 2003. My god Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit couldn't even help those useless ****ers in the ring. Have you seen his matches lately? They've been awesome!!!
Awesome? Triple H can be carried to a good match, bt that is far from making him still a good worker.

I don't have any more time to waste with these arguments because I have better things to do. Bottom line is i'm a HHH fan and I'm proud of it
Blah blah blah. I ranted, I cried, and now that someone is ripping me a new asshole, I'm gonna go pretend to have a life. Bottom line, I'm a triple H fan, so EVERYTHING anyone else says about him will be invalid.

[Ferocious]

umm...the second one.
Good answer ;)

[tucsonspeed6]

Have you seen his matches lately? They've been awesome!!!


Sorry man, I'm gonna have to go against you on this one. His matches have been awesome lately because he's been working with guys who work so hard they are capable of carrying him.

Backlash
Benoit and Shawn Michaels. Benoit has always been one hell of a worker and Michaels has been busting his ass the past few months. The weak link in this match was HHH

WMXX
Benoit and Shawn Michaels...same as above.

Royal Rumble
Shawn Michaels. This match was :n: IMO, but its saving grace was Michaels, not HHH.

Raw
Tajiri. Good match. Not necessarily an awesome match. Saving grace: ...are you getting the picture yet?

Shelton Benjamin I & II. I've got two words for this: COME ON!!! I think there's a pattern here.

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that HHH has been riding their coat tails...he could have been pulling some of his own weight there too, but there's no real telling that for sure. Based on the past two years, though, I'm guessing he's just using good wrestlers to make himself look good.

[Kane Knight]

It should be a no-brainer that the talent of Shelton Benjamin carried those matches.

Emphasis on should.

[John la Rock]

Sorry man, I'm gonna have to go against you on this one. His matches have been awesome lately because he's been working with guys who work so hard they are capable of carrying him.

Backlash
Benoit and Shawn Michaels. Benoit has always been one hell of a worker and Michaels has been busting his ass the past few months. The weak link in this match was HHH

WMXX
Benoit and Shawn Michaels...same as above.

Royal Rumble
Shawn Michaels. This match was :n: IMO, but its saving grace was Michaels, not HHH.

Raw
Tajiri. Good match. Not necessarily an awesome match. Saving grace: ...are you getting the picture yet?

Shelton Benjamin I & II. I've got two words for this: COME ON!!! I think there's a pattern here.

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that HHH has been riding their coat tails...he could have been pulling some of his own weight there too, but there's no real telling that for sure. Based on the past two years, though, I'm guessing he's just using good wrestlers to make himself look good.

You make some good points. I know Kane Knight or whoever will bash me for being a hypocrite but whatever. It's true that HHH has been working with probly the best in ring wrestlers in the WWE who are all better than him in the ring, but HHH can still work a good match.

[Nowhere Man]

Okay, didn't want to do this, but I've been forced. This one's for you Nowhere

Play the song, I command you.

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Oh, Dear God, NO! Not a barrage of pictures featuring a bland and unover generic heel! My eyes are burrrrrniiiiiing!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH!!!!!!

(melts into a Nowhere Puddle)

[Kane Knight]

You make some good points. I know Kane Knight or whoever will bash me for being a hypocrite but whatever. It's true that HHH has been working with probly the best in ring wrestlers in the WWE who are all better than him in the ring, but HHH can still work a good match.
Can you give some examples where HHH worked (As opposed to being carried to) a good match?

[John la Rock]

look at tucsonspeed6's post and the HHH matches he mentioned. He worked good in every match IMO but I know you'll say different

[John la Rock]

remember asshole it takes 2 to make a good match

[PureHatred]

Four months worth of good matches doesn't erase the last two years. Triple H was the most impressive heel and arguably the best worker in the company in 1999-2000. He isn't right now. Hasn't been for a while. And continuing to wrap the entire product around him hurts the WWE at times.

[The Ravishing One]

Loose Cannon..... you are the biggest Orton mark ever...

[Tony Montana]

If FBI stopped jobbing just to get people over then maybe SmackDown would have a decent tag team.

[John la Rock]

Four months worth of good matches doesn't erase the last two years. Triple H was the most impressive heel and arguably the best worker in the company in 1999-2000. He isn't right now. Hasn't been for a while. And continuing to wrap the entire product around him hurts the WWE at times.

I think the reason that HHH isn't as good as he used to be is because of his quad injury. It really slowed him down and it took him awhile to find his groove back. I think he's getting much better as of late and in a couple of months time he will be back to being the great worker that he once was.

[HHHsucks929]

Ok I agree that HHH made look Booker T look weak and it was a stupid move on Vince's part NOT TRIPLE H!!!!!!

It pisses me off that mostly everybody here complains about HHH saying he buried this person and the next person and so on. Every time HHH wins a match you people always complain and don't realize that HHH is an established main-eventer who's been busting his ass for the WWE for almost 10 years and deserves to be where he is. I would bet a million dollars that you weren't complaining in 1999-2001 when all the "smarks" loved him. Why cause he's married to Steph everyone thinks less of him and wants him to die? retarded.

And of course he has an ego. EVERY WRESTLER DOES!!!

"Oh he beat RVD with the Pedigree, RVD got burried" :shifty:

Actually, last time Triple H beat RVD he beat him with a DDT, not the Pedigree.

Triple H has been better recently, he's been putting guys like Benoit, Shelton Benjamin and even Tajiri over, but he still is the focus of Raw. Raw should be focusing more on Chris Benoit because he is our world champion. Raw is definitely the better overall show in terms of quality, but it needs to focus mroe on Benoit and building guys to main event status (something they';re doing right now with guys like Edge, Randy Orton anf Shelton Benjamin).

Oh and one more thing: Chris Jericho should win the battle royal this Monday.

[John la Rock]

Oh ya HHH did beat RVD with a DDT but it was on the entrance ramp (not in the ring) and the DDT looked pretty vicious if I remember.

Also Randy Orton also beat RVD with a DDT that looked like RVD broke his neck.

[John la Rock]

I don't think that it made RVD look weak

[HHHsucks929]

Oh ya HHH did beat RVD with a DDT but it was on the entrance ramp (not in the ring) and the DDT looked pretty vicious if I remember.

Also Randy Orton also beat RVD with a DDT that looked like RVD broke his neck.

Well all I'm gonna say is that entrance-ramp DDT didn't save TRiple H from putting RVD in a leg lock and getting a huge "BORING!" chant from the crwod earlier in that match. Trips' matches have been getting better, but that might not necessarily be because of him, but because of the guys he's been working with.

[Mr. JL]

I remember for about two months last year Triple H kept beating people with a sleeper hold.

[Kane Knight]

remember asshole it takes 2 to make a good match
Yet in a previous post yousaid he was working with better wrestlers to make himself look good.

Remember, retard, a quality worker can make a bad one look good. As tusconspeed6's post illustrates.

Remove head from ass, then try using it (Your head, not your ass) when posting.

[John la Rock]

I remember for about two months last year Triple H kept beating people with a sleeper hold.

Funny cause I don't remember

[John la Rock]

Yet in a previous post yousaid he was working with better wrestlers to make himself look good.

Remember, retard, a quality worker can make a bad one look good. As tusconspeed6's post illustrates.

Remove head from ass, then try using it (Your head, not your ass) when posting.

I'll remember that. I seem to have forgot that only assholes like yourself can be right.

Thanks smart ass.

[Kane Knight]

Only assholes like myself can be right?

:roll:

Don't be a moron. Try and think a little bit here. You're basically trying to argue two different and contradictory points, then martyring yourself with some bullshit "Oh, you always have to be right" line.

[John la Rock]

What are you my psychiatrist or something? **** off

[Kane Knight]

:lol: No, just someone who's seen enough stupid arguments to know when bullshit comes around.

nice defense though. You can't actually defend your point, so you hide behind little diversionary tactics. You can't defend your point because you were stupid enough to argue it after you contradicted it. If you're stupid enough to think taht your failure to defend your stance translates into me never being able to be wrong, you're a total idiot.

Thank you for playing :yes:

[Shadow]

Blah. HHH was a good wrestler before the quad injury. Now...he just sucks. That's the bottom line.

[John la Rock]

You're welcome ass.

next time I'll know better than to speak my mind about something. Have fun wasting your time analyzing somebody else's thoughts because he has a different opinion than you.

Get a ****ing life

[Kane Knight]

Again, you're making this out into a witch hunt.

Try and get this through your microscopic brain...

It's not that you're speaking your mind...

It's that you're unable to support your idiotic statements, and have to fall back on "Get a life," which of course shows your masterful debating skills.

It's not different opinions that are the problem. It's people who are too stupid to actually formulate a thought.

Try and understand at least this little piece of what I'm saying, even if everything else is too advanced for you.

[John la Rock]

I do support my statements, that's something you can't seem to realize

[John la Rock]

I'm trying to ****ing say that HHH is over critisized by the internet, that he didn't bury people (unlike what most "smarks" say) and that he can still work a good match (even though he wasn't as good as he used to be, probly cause of his quad)

[John la Rock]

my statements are "idiotic" why? cause I'm in favour of HHH? I'm trying to plead my case that it's Vince's FINAL decision on everything, including matches.

Bottom line is: if you wanna blame someone on Triple H "hogging" the spotlight, blame Vince McMahon not HHH.

[John la Rock]

Yet in a previous post yousaid he was working with better wrestlers to make himself look good.



I did? hmm I just said that he's been working with wrestlers that are better in ring workers than him. I never say he did it to make him look good But if HHH is shit like you say. His matches with Shelton, HBK, Benoit) would have all sucked. So if Chris Benoit wrestled Nathan Jones the match would still have been good cause Benoit can carry Jones? I doubt it

[Kane Knight]

I do support my statements, that's something you can't seem to realize
I realize you're trying to. That doesn't mean you're doing it effectively, or at all, something you don't seem to realize.

[Kane Knight]

I'm trying to ****ing say that HHH is over critisized by the internet, that he didn't bury people (unlike what most "smarks" say) and that he can still work a good match (even though he wasn't as good as he used to be, probly cause of his quad)
Except overcriticism is subjective based on how much you like him, whether or not he can bury people is something you can't really prove any more than the "Smarks" can, and you contradicted yourself on the whole "working a good match" argument.

Other than that, you're doing good. Basically, if you remove your core three arguments, you're batting a thousand. :yes:

[Kane Knight]

I did? hmm I just said that he's been working with wrestlers that are better in ring workers than him. I never say he did it to make him look good But if HHH is shit like you say. His matches with Shelton, HBK, Benoit) would have all sucked. So if Chris Benoit wrestled Nathan Jones the match would still have been good cause Benoit can carry Jones? I doubt it
The true reflection of a wrestler's talent is in their ability to make anyone look good.

Even Benoit/Angle/Hart/etc. couldn't carry jones to a FIVE STAR FIVE STAR BAH GAWD FIVE STAR MATCH!!!!!! A good wrestler, however, can carry a bad wrestler to a good match. Hell, after weeks of Batista sucking, Tajiri managed to make his win look pretty damn decent.

[big_bluto]

The true reflection of a wrestler's talent is in their ability to make anyone look good.

Even Benoit/Angle/Hart/etc. couldn't carry jones to a FIVE STAR FIVE STAR BAH GAWD FIVE STAR MATCH!!!!!! A good wrestler, however, can carry a bad wrestler to a good match. Hell, after weeks of Batista sucking, Tajiri managed to make his win look pretty damn decent.
:lol: :lol: JR!! :lol: :lol: