Who needs the win more? [Archive]

Savio

08-06-2013, 09:30 AM

As much as I like CM Punk I think Brock really needs this win or to be DQ'd after using a weapon. Taking a pinfall to CM Punk now would really BREAK IT for Brock. CM Punk can handle a loss at SummerSlam a could extend the feud because after this I am not quite sure what you do with Brock

So who do you think needs the win more and what direction do you send Brock in after this match?

The Condor

08-06-2013, 10:17 AM

It's Brock. 4 matches- an unnecessary loss to Cena, and winning 2 out of 3 lackluster matches against HHH in a storyline no one cared about since he returned. I don't find wins/losses very important these days, but Brock needs this bad.

seapig4

08-06-2013, 10:19 AM

Brock needs the win and he needs to look strong whilst doing it.

Savio

08-06-2013, 10:20 AM

I think I might be part of the small minority to really like "Brock vs HHH 1"

Rammsteinmad

08-06-2013, 01:57 PM

Brock should lose, and then leave the company again. Honestly feel that, apart from his first match with Cena, the guy hasn't really "brought anything" to the WWE. Just an excessive amount of money and main event exposure for minimal work. There are much more deserving people who could be in Lesnar's position.

Emperor Smeat

08-06-2013, 02:22 PM

Brock considering as a "beast" his record is only 2-2.

Brock beats Punk and then takes another mini-vacation against the advice of Heyman who is still worried about Punk. Brock then tells Heyman to just use the other "Heyman Guy" to fix any problems while he's gone.

Lets the WWE save up on Brock dates and transition into a longer Axel vs Punk feud to help out Axel's development.

Swiss Ultimate

08-06-2013, 02:32 PM

You know who needs this win? Ryback.

Fignuts

08-06-2013, 03:29 PM

ron the dial

08-06-2013, 03:46 PM

as long as punk doesn't win clean, i guess i don't really care. but i feel like lesnar could really use the win. hasn't felt as dominant since his return as he should.

dronepool

08-06-2013, 03:48 PM

Daniel Bryan should make Brock tap.

rockman725

08-06-2013, 04:58 PM

Voted for Brock, but that's only if he has enough dates on his contract to work a 2nd match with Punk and then the WM 30 build.

Here's my booking for the rest of 2013:

I say Brock goes over Punk at SS in a "questionable" manner. The beast laughs off the victory and walks away saying you had your chance. Punk is still irate over not getting revenge on Heyman that now he has to go after next in line, Axel. Punk takes the IC belt from Axel at Night Of Champions, but doesn't get his revenge on Heyman just yet. Heyman or Lesnar screws Punk at the Battleground rematch costing him the IC belt and setting up the rematch against Brock at Hell In A Cell. Punk goes over Brock in the Cell, but just as he is about to get his revenge on Heyman, out comes RVD for a heel turn setting up 2 outstanding matches between Punk and RVD at Survivor Series and TLC.

I know RVD's contract is a short one, but I can't imagine a better way to get him back in a feud that a lot of people would pay money to see. I also can't see RVD or WWE wasting their time just for a handful of TV matches. It makes perfect sense. This is all contingent, though, on Lesnar's contract situation.

Wake Up Call

08-06-2013, 06:52 PM

I look at this pay per view kind of like a passing of the guard to be honest. The Big Muscle freaks vs the small athletic wrestlers. Cena vs Bryan. Punk vs Lesnar. All signs point to the smaller guys winning.

Mr. Nerfect

08-06-2013, 08:21 PM

It's quite tricky. On one hand, Brock losing all the time will eventually damage his mystique (some would say it already has been tarnished). But on the other, Punk losing here means he's not "The Best in the World." Yeah, it gives Punk something to prove, and Punk can talk his way back into credibility (remember when he called himself "The Best Wrestler in the World" after losing at like 12 straight PPVs?). I actually really like the idea of Curtis Axel getting involved and helping Lesnar win. Brock gets the win, fans can feel like Punk got screwed and a major Intercontinental Title match is set for Night of Champions -- Curtis Axel defending against CM Punk. I do have a feeling that Punk vs. Lesnar will be the match they put inside Hell in a Cell, so they'll probably have Punk interact with Axel in the meantime. Maybe Punk wins the IC Title at NOC and then drops it back to Axel when Brock Lesnar helps out at Battleground. Then it'd make sense to do "Team Heyman vs. Team Punk" at Survivor Series.

#1-norm-fan

08-06-2013, 09:22 PM

I don't know. I feel like we're just gonna re-do the Triple H feud and have Brock win only for Punk the get the win back at WrestleMania or something.

Brock should never have lost to Triple H. If he loses to Punk now at SummerSlam, it's gonna be another step toward making the act of beating Brock Lesnar seem like "meh. So what?" Punk is still in the midst of establishing himself as a guy who can step in and take over if Cena's career ends today though. He could use a win against a more mainstream name like Lesnar. I don't know. I feel like the feud is gonna continue so with that in mind, I'd say Lesnar winning and Punk going on a journey to overcome the monster at some point is probably the way to go.

Maluco

08-06-2013, 11:03 PM

Innovator

08-06-2013, 11:06 PM

Brock should take the first match, with Punk winning at Hell In A Cell

SlickyTrickyDamon

08-07-2013, 12:55 AM

Fuck em'. They can't draw like Lesnar.

Lesnar only drew in UFC.

Frank Drebin

08-07-2013, 01:14 AM

Brock, RVD and Jericho show up to get paid and put other talent over. Brock doesn't need anything. He could lose clean and show up again in a couple of months for another ppv like nothing happened and he would still be the beast that he is.

DAMN iNATOR

08-07-2013, 05:58 AM

Neither. Brock's only part-time and Punk's more over than a $700,000 bid on an Around the World vacation showcase on TPiR.

Theo Dious

08-07-2013, 07:22 AM

I wonder how many people would have been up in arms about Austin "needing" a win over Bret before their Wrestlemania match. As long as the match is done well it doesn't matter who "needs" the win more.

XCaliber

08-07-2013, 11:55 AM

I'd say at this point Lesnar needs it more he's lost the few matches he's work this year against Triple H and Cena.

Anybody Thrilla

08-07-2013, 01:55 PM

I still don't understand why Brock lost to Cena, especially considering they were in the middle of a storyline about Cena being on a losing streak. Made absolutely ZERO sense.

Anybody Thrilla

08-07-2013, 01:56 PM

That match was wicked, though.

Innovator

08-07-2013, 04:05 PM

Not to mention Cena cutting a promo implying he was going away for a while

Savio

08-07-2013, 04:08 PM

Emperor Smeat

08-07-2013, 04:35 PM

I still don't understand why Brock lost to Cena, especially considering they were in the middle of a storyline about Cena being on a losing streak. Made absolutely ZERO sense.

Only explanation I can think of is the WWE realized Lesnar never lost to Cena in a singles match before and him loosing fits the stereotypical mold of everyone has to be "fed" to Cena at some point regardless of how it affects the other person's push or status.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/john-cena-350.html?res=2000
Cena has several wins over Lesnar but never in a singles match before that ppv.

MoFo

08-07-2013, 05:17 PM

Only way Punk should beat Lesnar is if 20 guys come down and beat fuck out of Brock, like when Taker died at Rumble 94.

MoFo

08-07-2013, 05:18 PM

Lesnar should no sell everything from Punk

08-07-2013, 05:39 PM

I still don't understand why Brock lost to Cena, especially considering they were in the middle of a storyline about Cena being on a losing streak. Made absolutely ZERO sense.

Really should have built up Brock as an unstoppable force before he went head-to-head with Cena. Especially under the assumption that he'd be there a year and no more.

#1-norm-fan

08-07-2013, 08:52 PM

I still don't understand why Brock lost to Cena, especially considering they were in the middle of a storyline about Cena being on a losing streak. Made absolutely ZERO sense.

I don't think they knew they were gonna do a "Cena had a tough year" thing until after the Rumble.

With that in mind, I thought the match was perfect. Lesnar looked scary as shit and made one mistake in his first wrestling match in years and Cena, the top wrestler in the world, took the win. It made sense and wasn't anything Brock couldn't recover from.

#1-norm-fan

08-07-2013, 08:53 PM

The loss to Triple H after Brock looked so good going over him at SummerSlam however... THAT made zero sense. There's no reason Triple H needed to look like he was on the same level as Lesnar at this point.

James Steele

08-07-2013, 09:52 PM

He is better than Brock Lesnar. Made perfect sense to me. Brock won the 3rd match anyway. No harm done.

James Steele

08-07-2013, 09:53 PM

CM Punk needs to win. He has jobbed to "bigger stars" enough this year.

DAMN iNATOR

08-08-2013, 12:48 AM

Really should have built up Brock as an unstoppable force before he went head-to-head with Cena. Especially under the assumption that he'd be there a year and no more.

Was that before or after the whole "big turnaround in 2013!" speech by Cena, though. Honestly having a tough time remembering.

CM Punk needs to win. He has jobbed to "bigger stars" enough this year.

Although that is VERY true, he did pick up a nice win v. Y2J @ Payback, even if the logic behind it was as simplistic as "because Chicago". I think we'd all be remiss not to remember that.

Mr. Nerfect

08-08-2013, 12:52 AM

I still think that Cena should have beaten The Rock at WrestleMania and lost to Brock at Extreme Rules. I do think that Triple H beating Brock in their second match was a good idea, though. I would have had Shawn Michaels play a bigger part to protect Brock however.

#1-norm-fan

08-08-2013, 01:25 AM

Although that is VERY true, he did pick up a nice win v. Y2J @ Payback, even if the logic behind it was as simplistic as "because Chicago". I think we'd all be remiss not to remember that.

Beating Jericho doesn't mean anything anymore.

DaVe

08-08-2013, 04:42 AM

BAARROCKKKKKKK LESNAAARRRRR

08-08-2013, 07:29 AM

He is better than Brock Lesnar. Made perfect sense to me. Brock won the 3rd match anyway. No harm done.
Dickhead. :nono:

DAMN iNATOR

08-08-2013, 08:01 AM

Beating Jericho doesn't mean anything anymore.

:wtf::roll:

08-08-2013, 11:52 AM

Lesnar should take this one when Punk gets distracted going after Heyman.

#1-norm-fan

08-08-2013, 05:39 PM

:wtf::roll:

Come on. The guy has jobbed to anyone and everyone. Do you really think it's a huge deal anymore for a guy like CM Punk to beat him?

Shadrick

08-09-2013, 07:08 AM

In the minority here, cause I really do like Brock, but Punk really needs this in my opinion.

Against any of the major "stars" of WWE's most popular era, he has lost...to HHH, to The Rock and to Undertaker. A loss to Brock just does more to lessen his credibility as a top tier star.

Wins over people like Jericho are not worth anything anymore, and it really does leave his wins over Cena as his only massive wins in his career. Just don't think it looks good if they are interested in pushing him as Best in the World going forward...

This. Punk needs this more imo. A loss to Rock. Another Loss to Rock. A loss to Taker. A return and then win against...Jericho? Nah, he needs to beat Brock in an overcoming the odds type deal.

Brock could lose, show up the next night and destroy someone and he'll still be a monster that people are scared of.

blake639raw

08-09-2013, 07:32 AM

:wtf::roll: It's the truth though. He loses as much as he wins, and not just against top guys. Off the top of my head, he's lost to Fandango and Curtis Axel around the same time. You can't compare beating Jericho to someone like Taker, Lesnar, Rock, or HHH.

blake639raw

08-09-2013, 07:38 AM

I mean, his televised record this year is 18-18-1. I like Jericho and everything, but beating him is the new beating Flair. Once everybody's on the roster has done it, it doesn't really mean much.

Savio

08-09-2013, 08:07 AM

This. Punk needs this more imo. A loss to Rock. Another Loss to Rock. A loss to Taker. A return and then win against...Jericho? Nah, he needs to beat Brock in an overcoming the odds type deal.

Brock could lose, show up the next night and destroy someone and he'll still be a monster that people are scared of.
That pretty much what Ryback does though and his aura is gone because he loses so much.

DAMN iNATOR

08-09-2013, 08:17 AM

Come on. The guy has jobbed to anyone and everyone. Do you really think it's a huge deal anymore for a guy like CM Punk to beat him?

Well, seeing as Jericho is one of the more decorated and well-respected superstars in WWE history, how could it NOT be?

Shadrick

08-09-2013, 08:17 AM

That pretty much what Ryback does though and his aura is gone because he loses so much.

Ryback was still a new star trying to get over fully.

Brock Lesnar is Brock Lesnar. can't really compare the two in this situation.

Shadrick

08-09-2013, 08:18 AM

Well, seeing as Jericho is one of the more decorated and well-respected superstars in WWE history, how could it NOT be?

He's bulletproof, and thats good, but its at a point now where a win against him is an "well of course" type thing.

Savio

08-09-2013, 08:49 AM

Yeah I am more surprised when Jericho wins a match.

Ultra Mantis

08-09-2013, 07:58 PM

JTG and Heath Slater have beat Chris Jericho clean, just to put things in perspective.

Flash Funk

08-10-2013, 12:07 AM

I would like to go back in time and have Lesnar be unbeaten since his return and have him versus Taker at WM30

Mr. Nerfect

08-12-2013, 06:46 PM

Curtis Axel and a debuting Heyman Guy should help out Lesnar at SummerSlam. This allows Punk to face Curtis Axel at Night of Champions, with the rookie in Axel's corner. Maybe it could be someone like Corey Graves? They help Axel retain the title with help from Brock Lesnar and we move towards Hell in a Cell, where Punk gets payback against Lesnar.

Anybody Thrilla

08-12-2013, 07:55 PM

I've got a "GO OVER JERICHO FOR FREE" Groupon if any of you are interested.

Savio

08-12-2013, 11:17 PM

SlickyTrickyDamon

08-12-2013, 11:23 PM

RVD is only working for 90 days before an undisclosed break. That's why he hasn't been in many feuds and just having solid matches as of late. Same reason he's on the pre-show and not on the main SummerSlam card.

Savio

08-13-2013, 08:26 AM

He could feud with punk for the remainder of his 90 days.

Shadrick

08-13-2013, 08:37 AM

It'd be a waste. More than one face vs face feud wouldn't be ideal imo

Savio

08-13-2013, 09:09 AM

Well he would be turning heel if he sided with Heyman.

Mr. Nerfect

08-14-2013, 08:01 PM

I'd not be opposed to seeing RVD align with Heyman, just because I think RVD's character is at its best when he's technically a heel but still immensely over. A Punk vs. RVD feud would actually be insane and could tap into a lot of personal territory.

But I think it would work better if Heyman got a rookie from NXT to be his new guy. It'd be a great way of establishing someone on the main roster as someone to care about. How is Jake Carter these days? He seems like he would be a good fit for a Heyman Guy.