New World Heavyweight Champion? YES! YES! YES! The Official SummerSlam 2013 Thread

[Nark Order]

They could've made Bryan tonight by just having him beat both guys. I don't like leaving it up to long term booking because WWE cannot book a long term feud, they just can't. They always ruin it. Everyone is excited about the chase but the chase probably isn't going to happen. Bryan will probably be involved in the World Title scene for another 2 months until WWE gets another idea and Orton will just move on to another opponent. I know as a WWE fan that if they don't do something when it should be done, it will probably never happen. They are far too short sighted. I don't think Bryan will ever be the big deal he could've been if he just beat both guys tonight. Bryan will either naturally lose momentum from this or Triple H will just cleanly beat him on PPV in a month.

I wish I could have all of your optimism, but I've just been watching for too long. This will be completely ruined now. It's not ruined because what happened tonight. It's ruined because WWE cant book long term.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They could've made Bryan tonight by just having him beat both guys. I don't like leaving it up to long term booking because WWE cannot book a long term feud, they just can't. They always ruin it. Everyone is excited about the chase but the chase probably isn't going to happen. Bryan will probably be involved in the World Title scene for another 2 months until WWE gets another idea and Orton will just move on to another opponent. I know as a WWE fan that if they don't do something when it should be done, it will probably never happen. They are far too short sighted. I don't think Bryan will ever be the big deal he could've been if he just beat both guys tonight. Bryan will either naturally lose momentum from this or Triple H will just cleanly beat him on PPV in a month.

I wish I could have all of your optimism, but I've just been watching for too long. This will be completely ruined now. It's not ruined because what happened tonight. It's ruined because WWE cant book long term.

But that short sited-ness wouldn't change things even if he beat both guys. Doesn't mean shit if he beats both guys and loses the title clean to someone in 4 months and has a shitty title reign. I'd rather him have a hot angle leading out of summerslam than him just winning the titles and having a less hostile feud with Orton. If it works out it works out, if it doesn't it doesn't. The cream rises to the top regardless

[KyleEmmott]

Bryan is going to be used as the main Baby Face for awhile, Cena has to have surgrey, he HAS to be in the long term booking. WWE didn't do this for the hell of it, it was a pretty big deal and they aren't going to ruin it.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I would normally agree that WWE can't book long term, but I don't know about this one. It was a good build up, good match, good finish, good swerve. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt this time.

Normally they would do something like this just to bury the guy and cause us smarks to hate on WWE, but I didn't feel like that with this. I actually got the impression that they knew what they were doing tonight, and they know what they have with Bryan.

I could always be wrong, but something about this angle just feels different than the normal bullshit they do. It was a punch to the gut for me, it hurt, but I loved it.

[Nark Order]

But that short sited-ness wouldn't change things even if he beat both guys. Doesn't mean shit if he beats both guys and loses the title clean to someone in 4 months and has a shitty title reign. I'd rather him have a hot angle leading out of summerslam than him just winning the titles and having a less hostile feud with Orton. If it works out it works out, if it doesn't it doesn't. The cream rises to the top regardless

If I asked you who beat The Rock and Stone Cold in the same night to become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion you'd probably know the answer, would you not? That title run was a particularly shitty one as well but you'll always remember what he did to win the title. It would've put him on the map right now, regardless if they fucked it up in 3 months. I don't know how WWE just can't let people have their moment. Everyone always complains that there will never be another Rock or Austin. This is why.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE didn't do this for the hell of it, it was a pretty big deal and they aren't going to ruin it.

I've seen what WWE can do. Please don't jinx it on top of it.

[Corndad]

As long as Bryan eventually gets his Title moment... Maybe around Survivor Series? Will be all peaches. I see the logic behind tonight but just hope it doesn't lead to nothing. As others have said WWE doesn't have a great record for long term booking least when it doesn't include Rock or Cena. Only time will tell which way this goes.

[#1-norm-fan]

Bryan could beat the entire roster in one night and still not be the next Rock or Austin. Just sayin'. At least a good story was told and instead of just burying Orton to give Bryan another win after a grueling match with Cena, you've built a sympathetic underdog face and a new top heel with the backing of the front office at the same time.

I'm not saying they're gonna successfully go through and not fuck the story up. But they've given themself a fucking amazing beginning to work with.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If I asked you who beat The Rock and Stone Cold in the same night to become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion you'd probably know the answer, would you not? That title run was a particularly shitty one as well but you'll always remember what he did to win the title. It would've put him on the map right now, regardless if they fucked it up in 3 months. I don't know how WWE just can't let people have their moment. Everyone always complains that there will never be another Rock or Austin. This is why.

people remember but it was not really his moment nor did it make him in any way. That title run did more to hurt jericho, the defeating austin and rock is more a footnote than anything

[Tb1]

They could've made Bryan tonight by just having him beat both guys. I don't like leaving it up to long term booking because WWE cannot book a long term feud, they just can't. They always ruin it. Everyone is excited about the chase but the chase probably isn't going to happen. Bryan will probably be involved in the World Title scene for another 2 months until WWE gets another idea and Orton will just move on to another opponent. I know as a WWE fan that if they don't do something when it should be done, it will probably never happen. They are far too short sighted. I don't think Bryan will ever be the big deal he could've been if he just beat both guys tonight. Bryan will either naturally lose momentum from this or Triple H will just cleanly beat him on PPV in a month.

I wish I could have all of your optimism, but I've just been watching for too long. This will be completely ruined now. It's not ruined because what happened tonight. It's ruined because WWE cant book long term.

Maybe you should not watch anymore

[ChrisHarvard01]

People are buzzing about Bryan being screwed. Now is his real time to shine. The only thing that can damper him is if the WWE have him get stream-rolled too often, but I think they've learned not to do that with guys. He got to beat Cena clean tonight.

BOOM. Spot on.

[Volare]

Awesome fucking PPV, had everything I hoped for and more by a mile, stoked for tomorrow night!

[Tb1]

Show was incredible. Could've done without Kane/Wyatt opener I guess, but the show was so beautifully paced it doesn't matter. Surprised Christian didn't win, but that match far surpassed my expectations. Punk/Lesnar might have been match of the year, and Bryan/Cena was tremendous. Swerve blew my face off and had jaw hanging. Bryan will be over even more. Dunno how someone can't at least like this a little

[Emperor Smeat]

As long as Bryan eventually gets his Title moment... Maybe around Survivor Series? Will be all peaches. I see the logic behind tonight but just hope it doesn't lead to nothing. As others have said WWE doesn't have a great record for long term booking least when it doesn't include Rock or Cena. Only time will tell which way this goes.

If he doesn't get the belt by Survivor Series, the safe bet from everywhere seems to be him winning the Rumble and then getting the belt at Mania.

Meltzer (Wrestling Observer) thinks the current plan is for a short Bryan-Orton feud and then Bryan swaps out with either Cena (assuming he heals quickly) or Punk (Cena needs more time off). Also thinks the WWE wants Orton vs Cena feud to happen at least one more time before Bryan goes back into the title chase.

[Volare]

Show was incredible. Could've done without Kane/Wyatt opener I guess, but the show was so beautifully paced it doesn't matter. Surprised Christian didn't win, but that match far surpassed my expectations. Punk/Lesnar might have been match of the year, and Bryan/Cena was tremendous. Swerve blew my face off and had jaw hanging. Bryan will be over even more. Dunno how someone can't at least like this a little

Shit man I dunno, the whole taking Kane with them thing kinda has me interested a bit honestly.

[Lock Jaw]

Just finished watching this show.

F'N BUSHWA WORST SUMMERSLAM EVER. CHRISTIAN WAS ROBBED, TOTALLY PINNED ADR WHILE HE WAS IN THE CROSS ARMBREAKER. CHRISTIAN WAS SCREWED. SCREWJOB 2013.

[Lock Jaw]

Just repped the shit out of Lock Jaw up in here.

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[ChrisHarvard01]

Just finished watching this show.

]F'N BUSHWA WORST SUMMERSLAM EVER. CHRISTIAN WAS ROBBED, TOTALLY PINNED ADR WHILE HE WAS IN THE CROSS ARMBREAKER. CHRISTIAN WAS SCREWED. SCREWJOB 2013.

"God damn, I just don’t like his face. His face really bothers me.” -Vinny Mac. Vince isn't crazy about Christian. He didn't give his life and soul to the WWE, which is required if you want to work for him.

Exceptions? For instance, the bella's. They can't even wrestle that is why TNA didn't pick them up.

[Lock Jaw]

I have enjoyed Brie Bella's in-ring work as of late. D-Bry rubbing off on her

[Tazz Dan]

I bet he 'rubs off on her' a lot :naughty:

[Juan]

Loved the PPV. The ending had a good old fashion "face gets screwed/heel turn" feel to it. Can't wait to see where this goes.

Bryan and Orton have have had some good matches together, so I'm excited to see them in a real feud.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I give Summerslam an 8/10 on spazz outs.

There's plenty of crying and complaining going on in here, and it's pretty great, but there's also a few who seem to be fine with the direction they're taking it in and understand it was well booked.

Could've been a 10/10 show on the spazzometer if Cena would've won though. Shame.

[DaVe]

Great show. Lesnar-Punk seemed to go on for ever but was one of the best matches I can ever recall seeing in a non-wrestling hyperbole way. Then the main event and ending and Hunter instead of Vince doing the screwing got me. Can't wait for tomorrow. Job done.

[Savio]

If I could change one thing I would have had Bryan get screwed before he even got to tough the title, as soon as he wins have Cena carried off, Ortons Music hits, do the screw Job all before DB ever gets to touch the belt.

[ron the dial]

i loved the fact that they let it sink in. i almost felt like they were going to go off the air with the clean bryan victory. very well timed.

[road doggy dogg]

If I could change one thing I would have had Bryan get screwed before he even got to tough the title, as soon as he wins have Cena carried off, Ortons Music hits, do the screw Job all before DB ever gets to touch the belt.

Ugh, why? The whole point of a screwjob is to piss off the fans. What worse way than to "taint" someone like Bryan's first ever title run? If he simply "didn't win it" and was still chasing it, that would just be a complete half-measure and not really a screwjob at all. Give him that TASTE and then snatch it away, that is 100x more painful than "almost getting it".

Love how all the internet fans are the marks right now. Brilliant booking, WWE
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[Savio]

Ugh, why? The whole point of a screwjob is to piss off the fans. What worse way than to "taint" someone like Bryan's first ever title run? If he simply "didn't win it" and was still chasing it, that would just be a complete half-measure and not really a screwjob at all. Give him that TASTE and then snatch it away, that is 100x more painful than "almost getting it".

Love how all the internet fans are the marks right now. Brilliant booking, WWE
crossrineSorry I meant "touch"

Meaning he wins the match but before he even gets to enjoy holding the title he gets screwed, I also liked the way they did it today but I think it would turn up the emotion if it was snatched away before he got to hold it.

[road doggy dogg]

I think the way they did it was better. Having him never touch the title doesn't make him losing it have nearly as much of an impact. In that scenario, I could 100% see them on Raw playing up the angle of "I never touched the title so I don't consider myself a former champion", and keeping the "chase" alive. Which is all fine and well but it feels like a cop-out and doesn't give the Orton swerve the gravity it deserves IMO
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[Corporate CockSnogger]

Would've been great if Triple H pedigreed Orton as well and then decided to go after the belt himself.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah just what we need, more Triple H in the main event scene :roll: [/forget which tard(s) I'm mocking]
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[Savio]

I was kinda shocked when Bryan won when he did because I fully expected Vince to come down sometime before the finish.

[ron the dial]

i like that he didn't. let hhh fully assume the position of power. i'm sure it will be 100% vince approved and backed on RAW tonight, but i really hope hhh plays the vince to bryan's stone cold, so to speak.

[erickman]

now all they need is flair to join them, hopefuly bats won't come back he can stay gone.

[Savio]

I'm glad too, in the whole aspect of things it wasn't needed. I just remember telling my wife that we wouldn't get a finish before seeing Vince or Orton.

[Innovator]

The real story here is that Triple H was so livid at how Punk and Lesnar had the crowd completely throughout the match, it drove him to the dark side.

[The Condor]

Watched it last night, it was a good show if not great. I'm not going to bitch about the ending per se but just say that if its the 2nd biggest PPV of the year you ought to let it go out on a fairly good note. Rather, it was predictable and drab. The chase ought to be fun but I will withhold judgment until it gets into full swing. My complaints rest not with results or story lines but with the predictability of the current product.

People are crowded around their TV's to see what happens on Breaking Bad, Dexter or, formerly, the Sopranos. People line up around the block to see big time movies because they are brought in by trailers, word on the street or favorable reviews that do not give away the plot and/or ending. It's a journey so to speak. The WWE at this point is too safe and cautious with their creative direction and thus makes a very flat presentation with rarely any real emotions that make one feel like they "must watch." 90% of the people on these boards called for an Orton cash in. They knew it was coming. When the WWE begins to become more creative, imaginative and takes more risk I believe people will be happier with it. As it is now its cool, but it could be much better.

[road doggy dogg]

So which is it? The PPV "ends on a good note", or "they're playing it too safe" ? It sounds like you are asking them to have their cake and eat it too.
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[The Condor]

Probably, but if everyone is thinking Orton is going to cash it, let Bryan get his moment and do the cash in tomorrow night on RAW. Swerve for swervings sake is stupid, and I don't want to be an IWC hater or even Noid but something's just seem to make more sense in my head.

[The Condor]

Don't even know what point I'm trying to make anymore. Liked the PPV, but everything was predictable in some capacity. That's all. Just want something that makes me want to watch and not sit there saying "x will happen" a minute before it happens.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I dint see how having two of the biggest faces turning heel is playing it safe, just because a bunch of people thought it could happen.

People would be saying "Orton's going to cash in at this ppv" for every ppv until he did, bound to be right eventually. Same with all the mitb cash ins. A bunch of people predict it happening every ppv, they're going to be right and it will be the "obvious" thing eventually.

It was the same with one of Jericho's returns at some point. Every single week people were predicting his return. Guess it was obvious booking and playing it safe when he finally did return.

[Savio]

I say you give the people who paid money for the PPV the added bonus of the swerve.

[The Condor]

I say you give the people who paid money for the PPV the added bonus of the swerve.

A swerve isn't always a good thing, though.

[The Condor]

Who knows, this could end up being an awesome angle, and that's why I'm going to reserve judgment. But it just seemed last night to be paint by numbers, especially when the same thing happened only 2 years ago on the same PPV.

[Savio]

Wonder what side panels Orton will have.....Viper faces?

[Tommy Gunn]

It doesn't matter that Bryan lost the title right away, he beat John Cena for it at one of the big 4 PPVs and he did it CLEAN. That's pretty huge.

[Volare]

Just re-watched the cash-in. Love the way Orton calmly tells H that "I want to cash in my contract" with a smirk.

Just can't wait for H to say Orton is the champion (we) or (I) want.

[The Fraze]

I should feel the way I did last night after every pay per view. The end was completely intense and awesome. SWERVE. Luscious Lou and I kept saying, "Triple H hasn't left the ring, something's going down" when Bryan was celebrating.

[Nark Order]

I cannot believe how many of you liked that ending. Seriously the worst way it could've ended IMO. Triple H makes the show about him and Bryan gets completely buried by a guy that hasn't been relevant in 2 years. So disappointed by what happened. Bryan could've been the biggest star in the universe after this show. Now everyone is excited for a chase that isn't going to happen. They will fuck this up. I promise you they will. I know it in my bones.

[Tb1]

Maybe take a break

[ron the dial]

it'll be ok

[road doggy dogg]

I cannot believe how many of you liked that ending. Seriously the worst way it could've ended IMO. Triple H makes the show about him and Bryan gets completely buried by a guy that hasn't been relevant in 2 years. So disappointed by what happened. Bryan could've been the biggest star in the universe after this show. Now everyone is excited for a chase that isn't going to happen. They will fuck this up. I promise you they will. I know it in my bones.

lolwhat
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[Nark Order]

Doesnt Randy Orton have 2 wellness strikes also?

[ron the dial]

you're going to be very entertaining in the wrestling forum for a while.

[Tb1]

Maybe drive to the beach, clear your head

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Doesnt Randy Orton have 2 wellness strikes also?

yep 2 strikes and no balls from all the roids.

[Poit]

I think any judgement about where things go from here should at least wait until after Raw.

[Tb1]

yep 2 strikes and no balls from all the roids.

Do you think you know what you're talking about STD

[Tb1]

I think any judgement about where things go from here should at least wait until after Raw.

[Savio]

I think any judgement about where things go from here should at least wait until after Raw.
Orton def Bryan (clean) :shifty:

[Nark Order]

I guess the main thing I hate is that Triple H needs to be in every big angle. if it is getting big, he needs to be there. He took the Undertaker twice, he beat Punk cleanly during his big ascension (which there is no excuse for), he took 3 matches with Brock Lesnar, and now he made the biggest Summerslam angle in recent memory about himself. This is what happens when active talent is apart of booking the show. Everyone is fine with shitting all over Nash for booking himself as the center of attention in WCW but something similar is seriously happening right now. It takes so much away from these feuds because it isn't about Bryan/Cena or Bryan/Orton anymore. Its putting emphasis on a character that doesn't need any further development at the expense of developing guys that are supposed to be carrying your company. I don't like it at all.

[Innovator]

I forgot Triple H existed until after Bryan won the match. He wasn't a focal point at all until he started lingering behind Bryan POST MATCH.

[Nark Order]

Dude. He's the reason he lost the WWE Championship.

[The Fraze]

I cannot believe how many of you liked that ending. Seriously the worst way it could've ended IMO. Triple H makes the show about him and Bryan gets completely buried by a guy that hasn't been relevant in 2 years. So disappointed by what happened. Bryan could've been the biggest star in the universe after this show. Now everyone is excited for a chase that isn't going to happen. They will fuck this up. I promise you they will. I know it in my bones.

Luscious and I had this same discussion. It was a bummer that it came at the expense of Daniel Bryan, but swerves are always good nowadays with the over-production and always damn near if not straight up announcing what's going to happen or who's coming out.

I have a hard time not being a Triple H mark after all these years despite his appetite for the spotlight. And I know your distaste for Orton. I hope they don't fuck it up, because this could be an awesome chase with an awesome payoff for Bryan. People always seem to get behind a guy while he's chasing, more than when he's defending. We'll see how it goes.

Do you think you would feel differently if the ending were the same, but did not involve Triple H or Randy Orton?

[road doggy dogg]

The difference being that Triple H's insertion into these angles is actually enjoyable, since he's actually, y'know, still kinda good at what he does.

As much ire as this is going to draw, I can't choose any words other than to say that Triple H is in an "unfair" position. Due to the nature of his relationship with the boss/management/etc, any insertion into any storyline he is involved with is going to be scrutinized. Obviously part of that is going to ring true, but it's unfair to blanketly label him as some power hungry egotist at this point in his career simply for being in a big storyline. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt to know what's best for the company at this stage in his career, especially if he's trying to endear himself to Vince for the long run.

Also, I really really really enjoyed his matches with the Undertaker. So there's that too.
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[Tb1]

I think people grant that Trips has complete control of his character. I don't think that's true. He's been relatively uninvolved in the past 6 months. They've been talking about this McMahon angle that's going to culminate at Wrestlemania, so I think this was the perfect way to hit two birds with one stone. Bryan gets to chase heel Orton, and Trips is assumingly set for an angle that I don't believe is going to be Bryan-centric

[ron the dial]

it all hinges on whether or not you think this chase will happen or not. if you are convinced it won't, of course you'll hate this. the guy you're rooting for "got screwed." i believe they know what they've got here and they are playing it out for the even bigger win. bryan beat cena clean last night. that is huge. look past what happened after, and that's a big moment for him. but then to get screwed by the boss? well worth the risk, and i think that wwe knows it. daniel bryan will not be denied after this. yes, they generally suck at long term story telling. but that doesn't mean they can't start to get it right once in a while. i choose to hope for the best instead of getting pissed off about hypothetical future scenarios in professional wrestling. this will be fun, and i will enjoy the ride.

[ron the dial]

isn't it in HHH's best interest to get "new" talent over? wouldn't that make him look better in his actual role? i see no reason why he wouldn't use this opportunity to put bryan over. he's not an idiot.

[Innovator]

Dude. He's the reason he lost the WWE Championship.
After the match with Cena ended, and Bryan pinned him clean. Triple H screwed him to let Orton win. We know have a #1 heel that WWE was lacking, the figurehead in HHH backing him, and a sympathetic babyface who the crowd is completely behind.

[BigCrippyZ]

You're right Mingo. Vince really took SO much away from the Austin/Rock and Rock/HHH feuds when he was involved as the heel authority figure. Nobody remembers those at all and they didn't draw the biggest ratings in the history of the company.

I mean, HHH doesn't need any more character development as a heel authority figure. It's not like they're trying to establish him as Vince's replacement onscreen (and off-screen potentially) or anything.

This takes so much away from Bryan, the most over guy in the company. How will he ever recover after winning the title and then being screwed out of it? It's not like it's scripted or anything. This is super serious bidness after all.

:roll: :lol:

Did you watch Summerslam in your pretty little dress last night Mingo?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Why not have the turn on Raw instead of SummerSlam? Let Daniel Bryan have his celebration on Raw and then have it then? No reason to rob Daniel Bryan he's been fucked over enough.

[The Fraze]

I honestly thought Vince would have been involved in the match last night in some capacity to plant the seed for his Mania feud with Triple H. Didn't happen, but it's probably coming.

[ron the dial]

Why not have the turn on Raw instead of SummerSlam? Let Daniel Bryan have his celebration on Raw and then have it then? No reason to rob Daniel Bryan he's been fucked over enough.
this is exactly why.

[Tb1]

Hey Fraze when are you going to the gym

[The Fraze]

Right now.

[Tb1]

Okay I should probably get dressed

[Nark Order]

Well enjoyable is subjective. I can't really enjoy it because I know what him still being in the main event means for the company. And depends what you mean. Some of it has been pretty solid with Taker but there is no excuse for what happened with Punk. I mean, come on. What productive came out of that? As far as this angle goes, the swerve was done well I guess but have we forgotten that we had to sit through 2 solid months of garbage McMahon backstage segments for this? This took so much fucking airtime. Id say as a whole, the McMahon presence in this angle has not been enjoyable.

[Nark Order]

You're right Mingo. Vince really took SO much away from the Austin/Rock and Rock/HHH feuds when he was involved as the heel authority figure. Nobody remembers those at all and they didn't draw the biggest ratings in the history of the company.

I mean, HHH doesn't need any more character development as a heel authority figure. It's not like they're trying to establish him as Vince's replacement onscreen (and off-screen potentially) or anything.

This takes so much away from Bryan, the most over guy in the company. How will he ever recover after winning the title and then being screwed out of it? It's not like it's scripted or anything. This is super serious bidness after all.

:roll: :lol:

Did you watch Summerslam in your pretty little dress last night Mingo?

The wrestler vs authority angle will never again be like McMahon/Austin no matter how many times they try to recreate it. They should be focusing on fresh storylines and not recycled overdone angles from the attitude era.

[Vastardikai]

I think the bigger issue is it could just as easily lead to a match at the next PPV where Orton goes over via chicanery, then a triple threat with Cena at the PPV after that where Orton pins Bryan clean as a sheet, then we'll have Cena-Orton part 3,343 from then on out.

[Nark Order]

isn't it in HHH's best interest to get "new" talent over? wouldn't that make him look better in his actual role? i see no reason why he wouldn't use this opportunity to put bryan over. he's not an idiot.

Like he did with Punk?

[Nark Order]

I think people grant that Trips has complete control of his character. I don't think that's true. He's been relatively uninvolved in the past 6 months. They've been talking about this McMahon angle that's going to culminate at Wrestlemania, so I think this was the perfect way to hit two birds with one stone. Bryan gets to chase heel Orton, and Trips is assumingly set for an angle that I don't believe is going to be Bryan-centric

I specifically didnt say that he had full control over his character so nobody would bring this up. But he's involved in the booking. Many times heavily involved. Definitely enough to be like "Hey. This segment needs more me."

[ron the dial]

i'm not going to let what happened 2 years ago change my opinion on how i feel this will be handled. again, i'd rather hope for the best than expect the worst.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah damn, it's a shame Triple H beat CM Punk that time and now Punk is buried on the card and hardly over at all.
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[BigCrippyZ]

Yeah, nothing productive came out of HHH vs Punk. Punk is only arguably the second most over guy in the company right now behind Bryan.

2 solid months? Wait, I thought you wanted long term booking?

I've been incredibly critical of WWE in recent years, more than most probably, but to shit on it at this point or say that this is going to bomb, all because HHH is involved or Daniel Bryan didn't leave with the title, you might as well just stop watching because HHH is not going anywhere.

Just like Daniel Bryan, HHH's going to be around for the foreseeable future. If you can't accept that and enjoy it, then quit watching so we don't have to listen to you bitch.

[Dark One]

This thread is everything I expected.

Carry on.

[BigCrippyZ]

The wrestler vs authority angle will never again be like McMahon/Austin no matter how many times they try to recreate it. They should be focusing on fresh storylines and not recycled overdone angles from the attitude era.

There's no such thing as original. Everything has been done before and recycled. Only the players change.

[Nark Order]

Well just don't say that there's no way he wouldn't let this opportunity to put Bryan over pass him by. Hes done it plenty of times before and even fairly recently. There is definitely a chance that he wont get Bryan over here if history is any indication.

[ron the dial]

but the guy you used as an example is still massively over. i'm sure you'll say that HHH had nothing to do with that, and that's fine, but it certainly didn't stop him from holding the title for as long as he did.

[Lock Jaw]

The whole Triple H/Orton/Bryan ending was perfect. Don't know why anyone who isn't a bitter jaded shriveled up sack of negativity would have an issue with it.


The real travesty on this show was Christian being SCREWED out of the World Heavyweight Title. #Screwjob2013

[Poit]

I forgot Triple H existed until after Bryan won the match. He wasn't a focal point at all until he started lingering behind Bryan POST MATCH.

I actually noticed and enjoyed Triple H's refereeing. For instance, after Cena & Bryan hit each other with leaping clotheslines, and they were both down, Triple H didn't even bother starting a 10-count. It was like he personally wanted to make sure there was a real finish to the match.

[BigCrippyZ]

I thought I took my rasslin' super seriously. Mingo takes his rasslin' way super seriously. It's still real to him damn it. So super seriously and real in fact, I don't think he actually enjoys it at all anymore.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, nothing productive came out of HHH vs Punk. Punk is only arguably the second most over guy in the company right now behind Bryan.

2 solid months? Wait, I thought you wanted long term booking?

I've been incredibly critical of WWE in recent years, more than most probably, but to shit on it at this point or say that this is going to bomb, all because HHH is involved or Daniel Bryan didn't leave with the title, you might as well just stop watching because HHH is not going anywhere.

Just like Daniel Bryan, HHH's going to be around for the foreseeable future. If you can't accept that and enjoy it, then quit watching so we don't have to listen to you bitch.

Punk got over despite losing to Triple H, not because of it. How did the hottest thing in the company jobbing to the boss help Punk? It cut his legs out from under him and it took a bit for him to recover from it.

[BigCrippyZ]

but the guy you used as an example is still massively over. i'm sure you'll say that HHH had nothing to do with that, and that's fine, but it certainly didn't stop him from holding the title for as long as he did.

:yes::yes::yes:

Seriously, his argument that Bryan is going get buried is based on a guy who HHH "buried" and is still insanely over, arguably (and IMO) second only to Bryan.

[Tommy Gunn]

I'm glad the cash-in happened on PPV, it sucks for people who buy them and then the cash-in happens the following night on Raw instead.

[Nark Order]

Guys. You are intentionally missing my point. Triple H didn't help Punk get over by beating him during the height of his popularity. Punk got over because of Punk and because of John Cena. Beating Triple H would've put him over the moon. Triple H beating Punk did nothing for Trips and only hurt Punk's rise. It obviously didn't murder his push but it certainly didn't help him get over.

[ron the dial]

but what's to say they didn't realize that and are trying to take a different route this time? that's all i'm saying.

[BigCrippyZ]

Punk got over despite losing to Triple H, not because of it. How did the hottest thing in the company jobbing to the boss help Punk? It cut his legs out from under him and it took a bit for him to recover from it.

I didn't say it helped him but it didn't hurt him either. Not knowing what's going to happen at this point, first of all you can't just say that Bryan is going to job out to HHH in the future. You don't know that's going to happen. If it does happen, sure it could suck.

If Bryan is truly everything and every bit as "good" as folks bitching about him losing claim he is, he'll be able to get over and recover even if he does "job" to HHH in the future. It's not like his win/loss record, feuds or storylines were great to this point to get him as over as he is today.

Much like Rock, HBK, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Cena and Punk before him, Bryan's hard work and natural talent has gotten himself to this point and gotten himself as over as he is. It's up to him to keep himself over and fresh regardless of what booking/creative does. I'd bet my life those legends would say the same thing.

[Nark Order]

They might. But to say I don't at least have a point or a reason for thinking this way is just ignoring history.

[Lock Jaw]

Vince McMahon to Lock Jaw @ The Great Christian Screwjob

http://boards.420chan.org/wooo/src/1376898450742.gif

[VSG]

Everyone needs to fear the lethal tag team of STD n' Mingo.

[Nark Order]

What. I'm not agreeing or sharing talking points with STD. Stop it.

[VSG]

lol ok

[Nark Order]

I didn't say it helped him but it didn't hurt him either. Not knowing what's going to happen at this point, first of all you can't just say that Bryan is going to job out to HHH in the future. You don't know that's going to happen. If it does happen, sure it could suck.

If Bryan is truly everything and every bit as "good" as folks bitching about him losing claim he is, he'll be able to get over and recover even if he does "job" to HHH in the future. It's not like his win/loss record, feuds or storylines were great to this point to get him as over as he is today.

Much like Rock, HBK, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Cena and Punk before him, Bryan's hard work and natural talent has gotten himself to this point and gotten himself as over as he is. It's up to him to keep himself over and fresh regardless of what booking/creative does. I'd bet my life those legends would say the same thing.

Why should anybody with "star quality" have to get over despite booking? Especially a guy that could bring in millions of dollars. They should just, you know, book the show correctly. Because its, you know, their job. Its in their best interest to create stars, not to feed potential stars to guys that can't benefit from any more publicity/character development.

[Savio]

Uh-oh Mingo is not fond of his tag team partner.

[Nark Order]

Nowhere Man is my tag team partner but he might have actually died after he watched Summerslam.

[ron the dial]

the last i heard he was going to shower the "filth of orton" off of his body.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

No way is SlickyTrickyDamon a real person.

[ron the dial]

those may or may not have been his words.

[Nark Order]

Could you imagine if Triple H was actually responsible for the death of Nowhere Man?

[Innovator]

I figured that would be the way he went.

[ron the dial]

in conjunction with randy orton? it would seem to be a logical end at the very least.

[Triple Naitch]

Feel like tpww really dropped the ball on a potential DAMN iNATOR/STD tag team.

[Innovator]

Unless Nowhere Man is really Bruce Banner and he finally changed into the Hulk

[VSG]

Feel like tpww really dropped the ball on a potential DAMN iNATOR/STD tag team.

Where the fuck have you been?

[Poit]

Feel like tpww really dropped the ball on a potential DAMN iNATOR/STD tag team.

Where the fuck have you been?

Returning the day after a PPV is not how to win Tipsters.

[Nark Order]

lol ok

Well. Alright. If we're doing that then the VSG/Big Crippy Z tag team is in the works as well. Your logic is fun.

[VSG]

Always thought Big Drippy Z was underrated.

[VSG]

*Crippy Z

Stupid autocorrect

[Triple Naitch]

Returning the day after a PPV is not how to win Tipsters.

So is it too late?

Sorry I've been away for so long. I've been working on a great pasta sauce.

[Lock Jaw]

Post the recipe

[Lock Jaw]

with a TPWW sign

[Triple Naitch]

Not gonna let all my hard work go to waste without copywriting it first. I'm still designing the jar label.

[Triple Naitch]

Wait, Iginfest is CockSnogger now? How long have I been gone?

[VSG]

This reminds me of that happy Swedish chef avatar you had :'(

[Savio]

Quite a bit, I won KOTF

[Triple Naitch]

Nah, I'm pretty sure you tried to involve yourself in the activity and then fucked it up mercilessly. Just like every year.

[Nark Order]

Nobody is that naive.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No way is SlickyTrickyDamon a real person.

When did you become Gertner's clone Igin?

[Lock Jaw]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f5ff2fcae067d3d627a93cff72a359f/tumblr_mrsftkm2qD1qhjbxeo5_250.gif
http://31.media.tumblr.com/edce58a4b5765d51293171d9b1cf917d/tumblr_mrsftkm2qD1qhjbxeo4_250.gif

10 years apart

[#1-norm-fan]

Always thought Big Drippy Z was underrated.

Big Drippy Z. Hehe. That's funny.

[Lock Jaw]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/a006ab511b88f113e5b7a784f8514b4b/tumblr_mrsftkm2qD1qhjbxeo1_250.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/fc304bab34292a670b8f39a9cfc9a832/tumblr_mrsftkm2qD1qhjbxeo6_250.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

That clothesline was similar to the one he laid out Bryan with last night, too.

[Nark Order]

Allegedly it would seem like I'm not alone.

Source: Pwinsider.com
The feeling backstage was said to be very mixed on the end of the SummerSlam PPV last night. Everyone felt that the work was fantastic in the main event, but the post match events and Orton winning title caused a split opinion. Some feel that this will lead to a great story, where Bryan gets his revenge, and it will get him over even more. Others feel that the company should have let Bryan have his moment and that it would have made him right there.
As far as the way the title change was done, many feel that it made no sense for Bryan to take one Pedigree and that there was so much time between that and Orton cashing in and then pinning him with no additional offense. The feeling from some is that it was ridiculous that Bryan took one move from a largely retired wrestler after he just survived the onslaught from the company’s top guy, John Cena.

[Triple Naitch]

Age in wrestling is non-existent. Triple H dropping a lethal pedigree is no different from Hogan still doing big boots and Ric Flair still dropping deadly knee drops on his suit jackets.

[road doggy dogg]

Whoa, there are dissenting opinions on a decision made in a wrestling event.
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[Nark Order]

I don't really even mind the Orton stuff cause I knew it was coming. As much as we like to shit on him, it at least fits. Triple H shoehorning his way into this is really sickening to me though. It's not about Bryan anymore. It's not about Cena. It's not even about Orton who just won the WWE title. It's about a feud between Triple H and Vince McMahon. I just really hate it.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

When did you become Gertner's clone Igin?

What makes you say that? Because I think it's hilarious how a bunch of people are reacting to a wrestling event? Obviously that must mean I'm "trolling" like Gertner, right?

It doesn't make your juvenile anger at characters you don't like any less ridiculous. You genuinely post like the stereotypical internet wrestling gimp, and I find that pretty hilarious.

[road doggy dogg]

But Iggy, Triple H was on my television!!!!!!!!! You don't GET IT
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[road doggy dogg]

wait that felt like a Discussion Forum post. gonna go sterilize myself brb
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[Savio]

As far as the way the title change was done, many feel that it made no sense for Bryan to take one Pedigree and that there was so much time between that and Orton cashing in and then pinning him with no additional offense. The feeling from some is that it was ridiculous that Bryan took one move from a largely retired wrestler after he just survived the onslaught from the company’s top guy, John Cena. That sounds like BS. Many matches have a delay in time between finisher and pin. (HBK vs Taker, HIAC)

Who cares if he's retired the pedigree is not like the Rock bottom where if its stronger you get hurt more, it him dropping a TIRED OUT guy on his face.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't really even mind the Orton stuff cause I knew it was coming. As much as we like to shit on him, it at least fits. Triple H shoehorning his way into this is really sickening to me though. It's not about Bryan anymore. It's not about Cena. It's not even about Orton who just won the WWE title. It's about a feud between Triple H and Vince McMahon. I just really hate it.

Warning, meme:

http://i.imgur.com/CbBwT.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

I was expecting a kickout though and for them to tease Bryan surviving before he finally lost.

[#1-norm-fan]

Warning, meme:

http://i.imgur.com/CbBwT.jpg

lol. Crying Jericho/the preceding cryptic videos is my favorite example to bring up when discussing how the writers tend to have no idea where they're going with shit.

[Savio]

Wish they played up a bit that Bryan Spit on Cena's face 3 years ago.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wish Cena had gone retro and wore bright yellow jeans.

[parkmania]

lol. Crying Jericho/the preceding cryptic videos is my favorite example to bring up when discussing how the writers tend to have no idea where they're going with shit.

Cryback went nowhere also.

[Poit]

Other than catering.

[BigCrippyZ]

Triple H shoehorning his way into this is really sickening to me though. It's not about Bryan anymore. It's about a feud between Triple H and Vince McMahon. I just really hate it.

Again, you don't know that to be the case. You're shitting on something that just happened based on an assumption you have about the future. For all we know, it's going to be an alliance with Orton, HHH and Vince. Not to mention, the reality could be that creatively, this storyline is actually all Vince's idea to establish a new heel authority figure in HHH to take Vince's place.

I said it earlier and I'll say it again. If you don't like or have that big of a problem with HHH being involved in storylines, as the most likely person to have a long term authority figure role, (on television and off) you might as well stop watching for the foreseeable future. HHH isn't going anywhere in the long or short term. If you don't like it, don't watch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope Shawn Michaels confronts a pissed off Bryan on RAW and tells him that he respects him, but take his win over Cena and go. Don't fight the power. Bryan then tells Shawn he's not a pussy and is going to murder everyone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People will cry when Triple H beats Bryan via screwjob at Night of Champions, not realizing that the idea will be to put Bryan over Triple H in Hell in a Cell -- his own match.

[Skippord]

I hope he literally says he's not a pussy and then murders everyone

[James Steele]

Cena lost and HHH turned heel. Greatest PPV ever.

[Lock Jaw]

About time James Steele weighed in. Probably only now regained consciousness.

[Theo Dious]

Warning, meme:

http://i.imgur.com/CbBwT.jpg

This is retarded. It's the usual jackass smark notion that everything has to be gold forever, otherwise it's shit.

[Lock Jaw]

I WARNED YOU

[Theo Dious]

People will cry when Triple H beats Bryan via screwjob at Night of Champions, not realizing that the idea will be to put Bryan over Triple H in Hell in a Cell -- his own match.

...ugh. Is this seriously the plan?

[Theo Dious]

Source: Pwinsider.com
The feeling backstage was said to be very mixed on the end of the SummerSlam PPV last night. Everyone felt that the work was fantastic in the main event, but the post match events and Orton winning title caused a split opinion. Some feel that this will lead to a great story, where Bryan gets his revenge, and it will get him over even more. Others feel that the company should have let Bryan have his moment and that it would have made him right there.

See, no. Letting "his moment" make him is stupid. It would have left nothing for him to continue with. Every since the whole "Bryan wins, Orton cashes in" theory was advanced, it's made sense. It gives Bryan the win over Cena, which he can make serious hay with, while keeping him hungry and in a title hunt. Bryan with a short-term (weeks to <2 months) title run would have looked weak, Bryan with a longer term run would have gotten stale. This was the way to go.

As far as the way the title change was done, many feel that it made no sense for Bryan to take one Pedigree and that there was so much time between that and Orton cashing in and then pinning him with no additional offense. The feeling from some is that it was ridiculous that Bryan took one move from a largely retired wrestler after he just survived the onslaught from the company’s top guy, John Cena.

Actually, the one-Pedigree-and-down move makes much more sense. It was the equivalent of a gunshot basically. It makes Orton even more heelish; he won the move with a pinfall on an unconscious man. Having Bryan not move a muscle was the best possible option. And WTF "one move from a largely retired wrestler?" It's not like Dusty Rhodes went in there and elbowed him. The Pedigree has a long history as a finale. It was a move HHH used to beat Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania for fuck's sake.

[Shadrick]

I didn't read the thread but am I the only one that thinks that Christian inadvertently pinned Del Rio in the match around the same time he tapped out?

[Lock Jaw]

#SummerslamScrewjob2013

Take the fight to Twitter

[Dark One]

I didn't read the thread but am I the only one that thinks that Christian inadvertently pinned Del Rio in the match around the same time he tapped out?

I thought his shoulders were down for a pretty long time when Christian was trying to leverage his way out.

SCREWJOB.

[Corndad]

http://i.imgur.com/wEwwtxR.gif

[Heyman]

Honestly, I thought the PPV was tremendous (first time I watched wrestling since Wrestlemania.......I ordered the Summerslam PPV).

Thought the ending was great as well.

However, I don't think the WWE did a very good job on RAW the night after. I thought Triple H's explanation was weak. I was hoping that Triple H would have said something to the effect of, "As much as I've hated Orton, I see myself in him. He's the most talented guy on the roster and was held back by guys with cheesy marketing gimmicks and catch phrases (I.e. Cena), just like he was held back by Rocky and Austiin before he hit his prime.

Also thought Daniel Bryan came across as to weak.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Watching the video packages they've done of the angle from RAW, I think it makes Bryan look pretty bad-ass. I'm thinking they may do a 3-on-1 Handicap Match between Bryan and The Shield on RAW this coming week. Man, could you imagine it if Bryan actually won?

[ortonisawful]

See, no. Letting "his moment" make him is stupid. It would have left nothing for him to continue with. Every since the whole "Bryan wins, Orton cashes in" theory was advanced, it's made sense. It gives Bryan the win over Cena, which he can make serious hay with, while keeping him hungry and in a title hunt. Bryan with a short-term (weeks to <2 months) title run would have looked weak, Bryan with a longer term run would have gotten stale. This was the way to go.



Actually, the one-Pedigree-and-down move makes much more sense. It was the equivalent of a gunshot basically. It makes Orton even more heelish; he won the move with a pinfall on an unconscious man. Having Bryan not move a muscle was the best possible option. And WTF "one move from a largely retired wrestler?" It's not like Dusty Rhodes went in there and elbowed him. The Pedigree has a long history as a finale. It was a move HHH used to beat Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania for fuck's sake.



Haitch shouldn't have won at WM, which is the larger point. If the point is for Lesnar to be a special attraction but he's already lost to Cena and The Lord And God of Human Growth Hormones, how much credibility could he possibly have left? HGHHH certainly shouldn't have used his played-out, stale, broken-down finisher on the newly crowned champion only for the most overrated main eventer since Shawna Michelle to cash in on him.


It was vastly telegraphed, still didn't magically give Ortard a shred of charisma in any discernible way, and probably gave Lord Haitch even more X-Pac heat than he already had.

[James Steele]

Shut the fuck up, you blithering moron.

[scatterbrain28]

you all better be standing your asses up for this national anthem

Since it was one of the Funkadactyls (that how you spell it) doing the anthem I expected the Bellas to jump in the middle and start a catfight.

[Cool King]

JoJo ain't a Funkadactyl.

[Cool King]

Yet.

[Savio]

Jojo is very beautiful I hope she stays around for awhile.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H should have won at WrestleMania. It allowed another match between the two and it also makes up for him losing to The Undertaker. If Triple H always lost at WrestleMania, then what would it matter to beat him? As it stands, Triple H wins at WrestleMania unless it's against The Undertaker, which makes the streak even more impressive.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

It allowed another match between the two
:|

[Lock Jaw]

Can we let this thread die already? Bad memories of a new World Heavyweight Champion NOT being crowned are brought up.

[Tazz Dan]

Triple H should have won at WrestleMania. It allowed another match between the two and it also makes up for him losing to The Undertaker. If Triple H always lost at WrestleMania, then what would it matter to beat him? As it stands, Triple H wins at WrestleMania unless it's against The Undertaker, which makes the streak even more impressive.

List of people HHH has never beaten at WM.

The Ultimate Warrior
Chris Benoit
The Undertaker
Kane
Batista
John Cena

[Tazz Dan]

He also tapped out in three of those matches.

[Tazz Dan]

Also, Orton is the only person to beat HHH at WM, and then lose to him later.

[Tazz Dan]

I feel like I'm doing James Steele's job here.

[Tazz Dan]

Also, I'm enjoying bumping this because RVD will probably be WHC before Christian is again. Sorry Lock Jaw.

[Lock Jaw]

Was expecting that post the first time when I saw Tazz Dan had posted.

[Tazz Dan]

:rofl: at the deleted post :love:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm hoping that Christian can get to do something fairly great on RAW in his hometown. You know, they probably should have done Del Rio vs. RVD at SummerSlam and be building to Del Rio vs. Christian right now, with Ricardo as Christian's announcer. Having a cheeky little guy running around with him seems to fit Christian more.