Arrow on CW

[Lock Jaw]

Also, season 3 will surely see Connor Hawke show up now.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn... Ollie really has the deck stacked against him in this feud...

Super strong psycho enemy... mother dead... Sara seemingly skipped town... Roy out of play... Busted knee... Financially Broke...

HOW WILL OLIVER QUEEN OVERCOME THE ODDS?!

[McLegend]

We actually got some Felicity and Oliver alone time this episode. Then you had Sara clearly referring to Oliver that he should be with Felicity.

It was fantastic.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Felicity is too good for him

[Lock Jaw]

Will probably go back to Laurel. Or maybe Quentin.

Has a fetish for the Lance family.

[McLegend]

She'll make him a better man.

Oliver will go it alone for a little awhile, and Felicity will get with Barry Allen. It's going to happen.

[Krimzon7]

Man I just saw this weeks episode. HOLY SHIT! What a game changer. Moira went out like a goddam boss. Hate that she didn't get to warn Ollie about Malcolm being alive. So we have one major character down...really strong feeling that Speedy's (pending) death will make roy 'honor' her by going by Speedy. So glad that Sarah's butt chin is gone. Won't miss her gross face. And we get more Felicity. I actually want to see more Waller next year. And can we appreciate that H.I.V.E has been established already, with one sentence in one scene....and nobody has even worried about mentioning that yet?

These next three weeks will be amazing, but I can't wait to see where we go from here.

[DaveBrawl]

Which scene/sentence was that?

[DaveBrawl]

Would love more Waller/Suicide Squad btw. Would make a great summer filler when Arrow is on break.

[Krimzon7]

Which scene/sentence was that?

In Russia, after Diggle broke his girl out of Prison. He is in the Hummer with Deadshot. He orders him out of the car, and holds him point blank, ready to shoot him for killing his brother....

Then Dead shot trolls him, saying that Honor is why he can't pull the trigger, and it can't be turned on or off. Diggle and him banter about why Diggle hates him, when Diggle says 'My brother was protecting your target and YOU MISSED!'
To which Deadshot admits 'I didn't miss. I never miss, YOUR BROTHER WAS THE TARGET!" A stunned Diggle asks, why. Deadshot, realizing that he owes a little more to him says ' I don't have a name. But I can tell you the group....H.I.V.E' Deadshot exits....stage right.

This was an awesome scene. Even more awesome is that after that encounter, we see diggle, post wiggle, offering to make breakfast for his ex wife. As she leaves to shower off...he pulls out his phone and searches for HIVE...end episode. I don't know if I have that word for word...but it went down something like that. It was amazing and I hope that they pull on that string soon. I thought that Deathstroke and Moira had something to do with HIVE, but now I don't know. Can't wait to see.

Would love more Waller/Suicide Squad btw. Would make a great summer filler when Arrow is on break.

This would be just amazing. Kinda pumped for Flash first though.

[DaveBrawl]

Yeah definitely remember that now.

[Tom Guycott]

Damn... Ollie really has the deck stacked against him in this feud...

Super strong psycho enemy... mother dead... Sara seemingly skipped town... Roy out of play... Busted knee... Financially Broke...

HOW WILL OLIVER QUEEN OVERCOME THE ODDS?!

Hustle, loyalty, and respect.

[McLegend]

I liked it. Setting up things for next week.

[McLegend]

I actually have a complaint about tonight.

That costume Summer Glau wore tonight was terrible. I guess I'm going to have to get use to it.

[Lock Jaw]

Really felt like they should have had a 2 hour episode. Didn't want it to end, but then it just did.

[Jura]

Yeah Summer's mask was awful looking. It reminded me of something that I can't put my finger on.

[DaveBrawl]

Gonna have to go back and rewatch the last half of this, Cox cable seems to either hate the CW or this show as it freezes up at some point every week when I try to watch it. Normally not for that long, but this time it just kept glitching out it went out when Oliver was fighting the first soldier and they cut to a commercial and it came back and Laurel was standing there with him.

Don't even remember Summer having a mask & costume, just seeing her at the reception. Very disappointing.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Gonna agree with the comments about Summer Glau's mask, looked completely cheesy and out of place. Kinda hate Summer Glau in general anyway. Never seen the appeal in her, although I love Firefly. She's not attractive, not a particularly good actress and always just seems awkwardly out of place in every show.

[McLegend]

She is pretty attractive, Iginfest.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I've seen a dozen better looking girls in the 5 minutes since I left my house.

[McLegend]

That doesn't mean she's not attractive.

Just happens to mean you live in a very good looking area.

[Lock Jaw]

http://photos.summerglauwiki.com/albums/userpics/10003/Summer_Glau_Ravager_2.png

I thought it was "alright". The mask did look a lot "faker" and "rubberier" than all the other masks. Would have been better just modifying the mask everyone else was wearing. Use it as a base, rather than this new one.

Kind of reminded me of the terrible looking plastic mask thing that they had Stargirl in on Smallville:

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091127222524/smallville/images/a/a9/Stargirl_aj.jpg

[McLegend]

Her mask looks like something out of a kids cartoon.

[Tom Guycott]

Ugh. Her facepiece looks like one of the O'Cochran "bug" masks from Halloween III: Season of the Witch.

[mitchables]

http://photos.summerglauwiki.com/albums/userpics/10003/Summer_Glau_Ravager_2.png

I thought it was "alright". The mask did look a lot "faker" and "rubberier" than all the other masks. Would have been better just modifying the mask everyone else was wearing. Use it as a base, rather than this new one.



i think it's the crazy long forehead that makes it look so strange. like they've put her hair up in a ponytail and sculpted the mask to, i dunno, shield it?

dunno why this was so hard to recreate
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111117185050/batman/images/a/a2/1099225-ravager.jpg

[mitchables]

i hope they fix those flash characters they had a couple weeks ago also before it starts because idk i didn't really care for them tbh

bit fitz-simmonsish i guess, marvel may have beaten dc to the wacky scientist duo punch

[McLegend]

I'd say that was an exciting hour of television.

[Lock Jaw]

Dammit all! I feel like they should have just made a three hour movie with the past two eps and the finale.... because I hate waiting for a week in between them.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, RIP Sebastian Blood.... was kinda weird him just dying after setting up/teasing an "evil mayor who knows Ollie's secret" dynamic for the next season. Thought he was gonna somehow pull through, and somehow also keep his job as mayor for at least part of the third season.

[ClockShot]

Awesome episode last night. The Merlyn/Thea angle fell short of expectations for me. About a combined 5 minutes of them with it ending on a cliffhanger.

I hope they give them a lot more time in the finale to get everything out there for those two, if that happens.

[McLegend]

We also got some Olicity action last night, which was amazing.

[Jura]

Blood could still be alive somehow. Probably not though.

[Tom Guycott]

Exactly. Not discounting anybody at this point outside of Mr. Queen and Tommy. People don't like to stay dead in Starling City. Its all Joker and Aeon Flux with these people.

On another note... Waller. She got the attitude down, but still she needs to gain a few pounds.

[Lock Jaw]

Still wondering how Blood even got the cure....



Slade: Excellent! I have the cure! Now come, Isabel, let us exit the room and leave the cure here alone with Sebastian.

[Jura]

Exactly. Not discounting anybody at this point outside of Mr. Queen and Tommy. People don't like to stay dead in Starling City. Its all Joker and Aeon Flux with these people.

On another note... Waller. She got the attitude down, but still she needs to gain a few pounds.

I didn't like her in Spartacus.

[Lock Jaw]

Waller is skinny in the comic books now too... apparently obese people aren't cool....

[Krimzon7]

What a great hour of action. We could've done without the Canary redemption crap, but the showrunners loves the Lances. Oh well, they've been intergral to the show so far. The clip for next weeks show has Roy, Merlin and Ollie all suited up together.

And Blood isnt dead. His character is all about reincarnation and magic and blood resurrections and shit. READ A WIKI PEOPLE! I'm not even sure who I'm yelling at. Sorry guys.

And Waller is spot on. She doesn't need to gain anything. She has it all right now.

[Tom Guycott]

And Blood isnt dead. His character is all about reincarnation and magic and blood resurrections and shit. READ A WIKI PEOPLE! I'm not even sure who I'm yelling at. Sorry guys.


This fits for just about everyone "dead" in the show... there will be some loophole almost everyone can find. Even with Mr. Queen eating a gun in a flashback, he still could somehow still get the Moriarty treatment. Besides, you can't tell me Blood was screwing around with Mirikuru and used NONE of it on himself. And let's not forget Grundy is a thing.

[Lock Jaw]

Season finale going on right now!!! Unfortunately, I had to leave my house.

[Lock Jaw]

Why isn't this thread hoppin' right now? I guess you are all waiting on me to watch it.

[ClockShot]

Hey!


I was watching Criminal Minds. And the Yankee game. Get to this tomorrow.

[McLegend]

I couldn't watch it live. Just got done.


That was great. Dude, I loved every minute of it... I marked when Oliver said that to Felcity. I thought it was con when Slade had her, but at that moment I totally bought it. I mean obviously he does love her, but they have to stay apart for as long as possible.

The action was tight, and there is still so much going on for season 3. I love this show so much. I still can't get over how good some CW show is. It defies all logic.

What did you think about it, Lock Jaw?

[DaveBrawl]

Was watching it away from my laptop. I love this show more every week. Great finale, get genuinely excited every time they mention Bludhaven.

The dude that plays Slade is just awesome.

[McLegend]

How long will it take for Thea to be a total badass?

I will set the over/under still at episode 11.5 next season.

[Krimzon7]

Fucking A!!! What a goddamn episode. Action was awesome, cant wait to see Roy develop. Looking forward to a season Without sara and her goddamn butt chin. Amanda Waller gets more scrren time next season....IM GOOD WITH THAT! But seriously fuck the episode....DID YOU SEE THE FLASH TRAILER?!?!?!?! Blew my shorts off

[Lock Jaw]

Was a pretty good finale. Not as "hard hitting" and "cliffhanger/omg I need the next season now" as the first season finale left things.

Still a lot to be interested in.

I find it weird how Sara seemed so happy to go back with The League of Assassins.... she just spent like all of the season trying to get away from them, to "redeem herself", and trying to be a "hero" but struggling with the darkness within....

Then she had the spotlight moment last week where it seemed like she had finally started to feel good and "hero"ish.

Doesn't make sense for her to go back to being a killer for a crazy assassin cult after all that, even if she gets lesbian sex. Totally negates all her character growth.

While she indeed did have a butt-chin, I hope she isn't gone.




I also really hope that Detective Lance is ok.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Jura]

Was watching it away from my laptop. I love this show more every week. Great finale, get genuinely excited every time they mention Bludhaven.

The dude that plays Slade is just awesome.

I still like him in Spartacus more.

Was a pretty good finale. Not as "hard hitting" and "cliffhanger/omg I need the next season now" as the first season finale left things.

Still a lot to be interested in.

I find it weird how Sara seemed so happy to go back with The League of Assassins.... she just spent like all of the season trying to get away from them, to "redeem herself", and trying to be a "hero" but struggling with the darkness within....

Then she had the spotlight moment last week where it seemed like she had finally started to feel good and "hero"ish.

Doesn't make sense for her to go back to being a killer for a crazy assassin cult after all that, even if she gets lesbian sex. Totally negates all her character growth.

While she indeed did have a butt-chin, I hope she isn't gone.




I also really hope that Detective Lance is ok.

Well the reason she came back was because of her family. Maybe she thinks she can go back and make things different instead of the straight up killer assassin thing.

And I think we can look past the whole cleft chin thing:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/fbw3nn.jpg

[Krimzon7]

And I think we can look past the whole cleft chin thing:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/fbw3nn.jpg

Well, when you put it like that...

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder if "Gotham" will have any impact on any of "Arrow"'s plans for The League of Assassins and any further appearances by associated characters...

[ClockShot]

Solid episode last night. Everything flowed together nice.

Only thing that caught me of guard was Summer Glau getting killed off. I figured they would keep her alive so that Oliver Queen would somehow get control of the company back from her, then stick her in a cell and move on. But I guess they got a different avenue planned next season. Maybe buy a boatload of shares Bruce Wayne style?

Thea spurning Roy and going with Merlyn, expected. Along with Sarah going back to the League. Price of calling them in for backup I suppose.


Knew then swerve was coming at the mansion scene. Pretty much screamed "Ooooooooooooooh, he knows it's bugged!".


All in all, I enjoyed the finale. Hoping Paul Blackthrone makes it through. Enjoyed the Quentin character. A.R.G.U.S./Amanda Waller having major roles next season via flashbacks is exciting. We're finally off the island..........for now.

[Jura]

Maybe they will say she died in the chaos and ownership reverts back to Oliver?

[DaveBrawl]

Kind of sucks they killed her off so nonchalantly. Was expecting more of a battle with her being the #2 and all.

[Lock Jaw]

Was more bummed out by Sebastion Blood's casual killing last episode

[DaveBrawl]

That one sucked too, but at least he got a little moment so give a little monologue. Isabel wasn't even the focus of the shot she was killed in as much as Nyssa was.

[Lock Jaw]

Lazarus Pits for all

[McLegend]

John Barrowman is now a series regular according to Stephen Amell.

[ClockShot]

Again?

[McLegend]

Believe it or not he was not officially a season regular in Season 1.

[Lock Jaw]

Watching season 2, episode 1 right now on TV.... usually I don't watch repeats of shows....

[McLegend]

That feels like it was first aired 2 years ago instead of 9 months ago

[Lock Jaw]

Feels like an entirely different show.

[McLegend]

It's good though isn't it?

[Krimzon7]

I have plans of rewatching this season too.

[Kalyx triaD]

Casting calls for new characters in season 3 are out:

20something gent — a major recurring character for Season 3 — is a handsome, enigmatic and highly intelligent entrepreneur developing groundbreaking technology. (Picture a business magnate in Ryan Gosling’s body.) Though exuding charm and confidence in public, he privately harbors a tragic past that will drive him to become a tech-powered superhero. Watch for this formidable fella to be a love interest for Felicity and a rival of Oliver’s – both personally and professionally.

This is almost certainly Ted Kord, the Blue Beetle. Kord was name dropped early in season 2.

A well-educated criminal with grand ambitions and a knack for chemistry, this potentially recurring character gains power over his enemies by exposing them to a drug that drains their willpower. Oh, and he is very much a physical match for The Arrow.

Speculation was for Scarecrow, but I think this is a highly stylized adaptation of Parasite. Any other ideas?

[Lock Jaw]

Also read something about some actor from some other CW show tweeting out that he is playing Nightwing in the upcoming season....

Don't think there is any truth to it, though.

[Kalyx triaD]

That tweet was a while ago, long ago enough to be strange that he'd be signed for season 3 before season 3 was even greenlit. I kinda thought he meant Batman v Superman.

[Lock Jaw]

He tweeted a pic of himself with the Arrow actor when he did it....

Only heard about it after season 2 was done (after season 3 was greenlit)

[Kalyx triaD]

Hmm, felt it was longer ago.

Some interesting time remixing there but at this point I trust their judgment.

[Lock Jaw]

Like I said anyways, I think it is just that actor working the internet.

I think they are going to have to tone down any Bat-References with Gotham coming out. Probably won't see/hear from the League of Assassins too much anymore, or ever see Ra's Al Ghul.

[Kalyx triaD]

But Ras didn't factor into Bruce's past normally, that was a Nolan thing. I think Gotham will steer of anything that fantastical and Arrow/Flash can use those elements and characters.

But DC has been hardcore about this sort of thing before.

[McLegend]

You guys are talking about Steven R McQueen posting a picture of himself with Stephen Amell at an LA Kings games recently. There were rumors of him playing Nightwing back around November. So yes I think it's just a dude working the internet.

I think Nyssa is too important of a character now that she is going to have to have some air time in season 3 along with the league. Ras on the other hand you're probably not seeing.

It would make sense for him to appear in season 3 since Malcolm Merlin is going to be the main bad guy. He comes out to put down his adopted son or something like that.

[Lock Jaw]

Devon Aoki cast as Katana, who will be a recurring character in flashbacks

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/131/796/original/DevonAoki.jpg?1404250850
(Devon Aoki pictured from Sin City)

[Kalyx triaD]

NICE.

Hoping to catch Deathstroke himself at this weekends Supercon.

[McLegend]

Is Katana someone from the comics?

[Lock Jaw]

Katana is someone from the comics. Most associated with (Batman and) The Outsiders.

Though I believe in recent New 52 comics there is some sort of connection with Green Arrow. Been meaning to check out some Green Arrow comics..... was pretty terrible, but I hear it got "good" after Jeff Lemire took over the book. I hear he brought Diggle over into the comics.

[McLegend]

I think Green Arrow's lack of popularity is a big reason why the show is so good.

They kept the origin of being stranded on an island for x amount of years, but they have changed a lot of his story haven't they? There isn't really any hardcore fan base that is going to get pissed off by what happens to certain characters. I think that's a definite plus for the show.

Also Arrow is probably slowly turning Green Arrow into a Main Eventer for DC. I would think they the popularity of the character had grown over the past 2 years.

[Lock Jaw]

Just as I express interest in Jeff Lemire's Green Arrow run... it appears to be ending! However! The new writers will be Arrow's executive producer Andrew Kreisberg, and Ben Sokolowski, one of the writers from the show.

[Kalyx triaD]

Perhaps they're be brand unifications with his growing popularity.

[Kalyx triaD]

Met Slade, Shado, and the bearded Russian dude (and him I got to hang out and chat with since he got little traffic). Slade is a troll with his strength. Had some fun with how skinny I am using especially firm handshakes. Shado's a sweet chick.

(to save time I will use their character names so you know instantly who I'm talking about, just got home and fuck google).

The chick who played Nyssa was there but I didn't really feel like roughing another line.

[Kalyx triaD]

Also had a chat with Jerry Lawler about Cena and the current business. Pretty cool that he gave thoughts to my opinions.

[ClockShot]

In case you missed it, Peter Stormare will be taking over Count Vertigo duties starting in season 3.

Brandon Routh tapped to play Ray Palmer. AKA The Atom. Somehow, he ends up owning Queen Consolidated

[Kalyx triaD]

Great to see Routh, but we did see Ray's wife, right? That there's a mismatch.

I imagine Count Vertigo will be depicted slightly closer to his comic version.

[Lock Jaw]

Ray Palmer doesn't need to have anything to do with Jean Loring in the show if they don't want.

Also, I am pretty excited for that news. I like The Atom. I don't imagine we'll actually get any shrinking action going on.... but.... I'd love it.

Will have a hard time picturing Routh as anybody but Superman/Clark Kent, though. We shall see.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well of course the casting is inspired, they have to know who he's associated with. Sort of like Dean Cain's appearance in Smallville (and Chris Reeve for that matter). Hope to see more fun casting like this.

[ClockShot]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm. More star power.


Wentworth Miller on board to play Captain Cold.

[Kalyx triaD]

For Arrow or Flash (http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=126601)?

[McLegend]

He would be for Flash

[ClockShot]

Yahoo! fail on that. They said Arrow.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yahoo News, bro?

[Kalyx triaD]

Red Arrow:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--x5IJ0dus--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wzojpl3quebafh0zgk7k.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

More hyped for this show to return than I am to see any other superhero related movie/tv show.

Also, episode 8 of Arrow season 3 will be a crossover with episode 8 of The Flash.

[McLegend]

Yeah I don't like that scene at about 2:14. Someone has to die, because of that.

[McLegend]

http://youtu.be/ZKE36sL6jKc

Another teaser trailer that's not embedded, because I couldn't figure out how to. You'll enjoy it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Right click the screen and choose embed.

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[McLegend]

I was on my iPad

[Kalyx triaD]

Apple things are weird.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty hyped to see Ra's Al Ghul

[Lock Jaw]

Ted Grant cast for season 3. Will have a recurring role.

[Kalyx triaD]

I figured Wildcat would be in. One of the actors tweeted a boxing ring. Forget to mention it here.

[VSG]

Finally saw the series, now I am sad Season 3 is still a few months away. What's with the flip flopping on the pronunciation of Ra's Al Ghul? It is Raas in the Arabic script, not Raysh as alluded to in Season 2 and elsewhere.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

People have always had trouble with the actual pronunciation of his name, even though it isn't really that hard at all.

[ClockShot]

Rila Fukushima (Yukio in The Wolverine) replaces Devon Aoki as Katana.

Devon Aoki pulled out due to scheduling conflicts. Sounds REALLY last minute. I wonder if they gotta re-film scenes now?

[Kalyx triaD]

The Demon's Head has been cast.

[McLegend]

No idea who Matt Nabb is.

[McLegend]

*Nable

[Kalyx triaD]

He was Johns father in Riddick 3.

[ClockShot]

Liam Neeson said in an interview if he was asked to play Ra's for Arrow this season, he'd consider it.

Me thinks they should have asked him.

[Kalyx triaD]

They can't afford him anyway, not to mention the major continuity questions that would surface.

[Lock Jaw]

Me thinks they shouldn't have.

Would have just been confusing for people. These are two separate universes/stories/versions of the characters here.

[Lock Jaw]

I hope Ubu is in the show and gets to yell "INFIDEL!"

[McLegend]

I don't know it would have been awesome to see A-List badass 20 million a movie Liam Neeson on a CW show.

No one ever would have called that.

[Kalyx triaD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxv88wXIIAAd3WV.png:large

[Lock Jaw]

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/ScreenShot2014-09-17at114735PM_zps66ab33c5.png

[Kalyx triaD]

OMG YES

[Tom Guycott]

With WWE's penchant for assuming fans will get "confused", they likely won't invite him because whilst cross promoting Arrow, they'll think the fans will confuse him for The Hurricane. [/sarcasm]

[McLegend]

Arrow is da bomb.

That's all I got right now.

[McLegend]

I love it so much.

[McLegend]

Like what they are doing with Olicity is exactly what they should do. Felicity has to get with a few dudes now, and Oliver has to be alone this season.

I really enjoyed the conversation on the date, and the way they interacted throughout the whole episode. The Hospital was bitter sweet.

Brandon Routh also displayed more charisma and personality in 5 mins he was on Arrow then he did throughout the 2.5 hours he was in Superman Returns. Good job Brandon Routh.

[DaveBrawl]

I agree with McLegend.

[ClockShot]

Hmph. Caity Loitz whacked in the last 30 seconds. Didn't see that coming.

Pete Stormare's schedule must be killer these days. Going back and forth between Blacklist and Arrow.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Great season premier last night.

Bringing Canary back and then killing her was surprising but I figured it would happen eventually to make "Dinah" Laural Lance the Black Canary we all know. The real question now is was it Ra's league that did it, was it Ra's himself or was it Merlin?

[Lock Jaw]

I hope some more is done with Sara... reveal some of what happened while she was gone, and why she was really back, etc...

Feel like she needs more of a "closure"

[McLegend]

According to reports there will be.

[Tom Guycott]

Hmph. Caity Loitz whacked in the last 30 seconds. Didn't see that coming.



Bringing Canary back and then killing her was surprising but I figured it would happen eventually to make "Dinah" Laural Lance the Black Canary we all know. The real question now is was it Ra's league that did it, was it Ra's himself or was it Merlin?

Honestly, my reaction was about the same as "Inuyasha: Episode Infinity" parody about Kikyo and the cliff. They already have a track record of bringing people back as opposed to not, so let's see how legit this ends up staying.

[Lock Jaw]

I got a Starman #1 vibe from it, so I'm gonna say she is dead.... barring flashbacks and ghostly apparitions.

[McLegend]

It does seem to obvious that Merlin did it so it's probably not Merlin.

However I'm going to say it's Merlin.

[loopydate]

I don't know . I feel like the League is probably less than happy that she turned up in Starling...

[McLegend]

Not if she was sent there to kill someone.

[loopydate]

Hm. Valid.

[McLegend]

What did everyone think about the New Count Vertigo?

He's getting pretty negative reviews mostly because if the similarities to the Scarecrowe, which I understand. I liked him though, because he does seem like he could be a legit threat to Arrow.

One of my on,y complaints about the show so far is they haven't done a great job of building up the villians of the week. They are mostly jobbers. Example being how they didn't do The Clock King any favors last year. Seems like the only one they wanted to be was Seth's Gabriel's Vertigo, but that probably didn't work out the way they wanted it to.

So I hope we see more of the new Count Vertigo in the future.

[DaveBrawl]

I agree with you. We're on our second Vertigo now and the first was one of like 2 that weren't the season ending baddies that had any sort of build to them, the other being Deadshot. Bronze Tiger has been used a handful of times and we know nothing about him (which I kind of like in his case, but the point remains).

[Kalyx triaD]

I like the new Count, but I'm hoping the next version finally comes to the foreign royalty who really wants to kill his niece guy.

And Sara's totally dead; Word of God. I wonder how Nysa's gonna feel about this, and if there's a certain green bath that could help later on.

[VSG]

Would be a nice way to introduce Ra's, I suppose. But I am ok if she is dead/gone forever. Possibly from Laurel no longer being anorexic.

[Destor]

Excellent show. Best comic show on TV (other than the walking dead I guess.)

Season 3 opened strong. very happy.

[McLegend]

That was an intense and well done episode.

[Lock Jaw]

Word. Powerful emotions.... I like how there is a constant sense of character growth and change in this series...

Season 1 was Oliver just straight up being a vigilante...
Season 2 he was trying to become a hero, and succeeded...

Now Season 3 it looks like he may start to doubt his career choices....


So who do we think killed Sara?

My money is on Katana. I bet Sara killed her husband or something.

[McLegend]

I really liked how Oliver was throughout the whole show. Stephen Amell did a good acting job. His exchange with Felcity and his last scene with Diggle were excellent.

I don't know who killed her. I feel that it has to somehow tie back to Oliver, and he has to be a reason or the reason she was killed. Also hope it's someone we have already seen just to give us a chance to figure it out. I like a good mystery.

Not sure were they are going with the Hong Kong flashbacks yet. It was good to see Tommy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Laurel's little interrogation was kinda shocking. Damn.

[ClockShot]

Vinnie Jones on board to play "Brick".


http://www.imdb.com/news/ni57894449/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_t2

[Lock Jaw]

Just put him in his "Scales" makeup from The Cape.

[McLegend]

I'm excited for Malcolm Merlyn tonight.

I love that guy.

[McLegend]

Laurel should learn how to swing a bat before she uses it as a weapon.

[DaveBrawl]

Always, always, be sure to warn the guy you've jumped from behind with a monologue before you pop him.

[McLegend]

Lol I loved Oliver's reaction to Laurel telling him she tried to exact revenge. It was just a look of pure exacerbation. He did not want to deal with it at all.

I enjoyed that scene.

[Lock Jaw]

Woo Ted Grant. Also +1 for reference to Tom Bronson.

[Kalyx triaD]

Thea's badass. And still bratty. But badass.

[McLegend]

Merlyn is going to kick some ass tonight.

[McLegend]

Man that was awesome.

[VSG]

Really wish that triple threat match up lasted longer, but great episode.

Was it just me or was Ra's reveal just "meh" in general?

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty "meh" because he didn't do the "dramatic slow turn reveal". Just suddenly random close up shot of face.

You gotta do the "dramatic slow turn reveal". That's the way these things work!


Also, thought Oliver letting Merlyn go was pretty dumb. If that prison was good enough for Slade Wilson, it should be good enough for Merlyn. Or if you are really worried that you can't hold him anywhere, just give him lots of drugs to keep him sedated all the time. Dude's still human.

[VSG]

LJ Knose

[McLegend]

Yeah I don't get why Oliver didn't at least tried to tie him up or something. Would have been the right thing to do.

Also Nysaa came really close to killing Oliver last night. That might have been his closes call yet. I stand by my prediction Nyssa will be a full fledge cast member at some point. She seems to fit in well.

[McLegend]

Pretty "meh" because he didn't do the "dramatic slow turn reveal". Just suddenly random close up shot of face.

You gotta do the "dramatic slow turn reveal". That's the way these things work!


Also, thought Oliver letting Merlyn go was pretty dumb. If that prison was good enough for Slade Wilson, it should be good enough for Merlyn. Or if you are really worried that you can't hold him anywhere, just give him lots of drugs to keep him sedated all the time. Dude's still human.

Yeah but isn't Merlyn more dangerous than a non mirakau Slade Wilson?

Either way Oliver was wrong for not attempting to "arrest" him.

[VSG]

Yeah I don't get why Oliver didn't at least tried to tie him up or something. Would have been the right thing to do.

Also Nysaa came really close to killing Oliver last night. That might have been his closes call yet. I stand by my prediction Nyssa will be a full fledge cast member at some point. She seems to fit in well.

Read that as "really close to kissing Oliver" and thought that would be a weird triangle for sure.

[Kalyx triaD]

NEED MORE WILDCAT

[Lock Jaw]

Finally.... Lock Jaw is BACK and will be watching tonight's episode LIVE.

[McLegend]

Going to watch an origin story for Felicity tonight.

Get pumped yo

[McLegend]

STFU

[Lock Jaw]

I enjoyed tonight's episode. Apparently everyone who "died" five years ago didn't really die.... widespread conspiracy.....

[McLegend]

On that note it would be hilarious if that guy Oliver's dad shot on the life raft ended up surviving as apart of that widespread conspiracy.


I didn't see the twist coming tonight. It really surprised me. That was good stuff.

[McLegend]

Thea is a smoke show

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah.... I like her haircut, and the fact that despite being rich she never seems to be able to afford a whole shirt. :shifty:

[VSG]

Wtf episode

[Lock Jaw]

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Trailer thing for a bunch of upcoming episodes....

Wildcat, vigilante Laurel, Cupid, Captain Boomerang....

[McLegend]

What's everyone's take on Season 3 so far?

Yeah, I love it, but I would admit so far the season premiere and the 2nd episode were definitely the best so far. The other 3 haven't lived up to those 2 episode.

Also what are the theories in Roy? I agree that with that prevalent theory it's misplaced guilt from another incident manifesting itself.

Also I want to see more Hong Kong. I don't really know what endgame is there.

[McLegend]

That was a really good trailer btw.

[McLegend]

Off topic... Do the people who make trailers get paid a lot? It seems like most trailers are good, and therefore be a well paying good. I don't know maybe it's the opposite where it's underpaid overqualified people doing them.

Either just wondering.

[Miotch]

What would you define as 'a lot'?

[McLegend]

Excellent question...

Do they make $100,000 a year.

[Destor]

I liked them doing a zeppo episode for Felicity Smoak. Very fun ep and long overdue.

[Miotch]

Excellent question...

Do they make $100,000 a year.

Most likely in that range. It tough to say because they are generally made by a team. There's a producer, a director, and editor, and post. But generally I would say that yes, they make 'a lot' of money.

[Tom Guycott]

I liked them doing a zeppo episode for Felicity Smoak. Very fun ep and long overdue.

I must say I'm a fan of college Felicity. Not just the look, but managing to make the opening lines of Zork sound sexy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Laurel as Black Canary 2:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2R-M3yCEAAPMGu.jpg:large

[McLegend]

I really enjoyed this one tonight.

[Destor]

Seems like every season has been about Arrow training someone up into vigilanteism...feel like after Black Canary theyre going to have to find a new song to sing

[Lock Jaw]

I enjoyed the episode....

I hope that sometime this season we see Ted Grant come temporarily out of vigilante retirement, with a new costume.

[McLegend]

Yeah that whole thing was awesome.

Fuckin a

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah yeah yeah..... Just watched it.

Had the feeling that the mine would have Dwarf Star material in it.

BUSINESS has just picked up!

[McLegend]

About time you watched. C'mon how great was it?

Cupid should be revisited at another time. I enjoyed her.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm sure we'll see her in the Suicide Squad spin-off!









Which they should make. Shamelessly copy Marvel and have a "mini-series" to play in between the mid-season break like Marvel is doing with Agents of Shield/Agent Carter.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm sure with the announced film, though, we have no chance of a Suicide Squad spin-off anymore.

[McLegend]

You could still see them in Arrow though. They could get 1 episode a year.

Not impossible

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, but I'm greedy and want a spin-off.

[McLegend]

The Arrow needs to go against the squad one time.

How come H.I.V.E hasn't been brought up in the last year? Something has to be going on there.

[Jura]

I feel like Diggle should wear a mask or something. If they can ID him then they can likely make out who Arrow and Arsenal are.

[VSG]

Was just thinking about this when Arrow and Diggle were snooping around Cupid's place in the last episode.

[McLegend]

I think preferred this part of the crossover.

Next week looks badass.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, this part of the crossover was better. Loved the episode.

[Tom Guycott]

I feel like Diggle should wear a mask or something. If they can ID him then they can likely make out who Arrow and Arsenal are.

This actually bothers me greatly about the show... only slightly more than the forced "requisite CW melodrama moments" that seem to be written in after the script is already done. Kind of like G.I. Joe PSAs, but cheesier.

But yeah, Dig needs a mask. That occasional bank robber ski mask isn't doing it- especially when he's only worn it like twice ever. Also, they play fast and loose with using their real names for eachother in public as it is, and all the masks and hoods in the world isn't going to stop someone from noticing an obviously undisguised Diggle calling his companion Oliver if they didn't already catch on from... well, and undisguised Diggle.

[McLegend]

Holy Shit! Arrow is at it's best when it just goes non-stop, and that's what it was right until the end.

That was really good.

[Jura]

That wouldn't have happened to Batman.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Maybe because Ra's respects Batman, not to mention that Batman is the father of his grandson.

[Jura]

Or because Batman could kick his ass.

[McLegend]

I think Ray Palmer and Laurel step up now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ray move into the Arrow cave in the near future.

I'm wondering who is can be the one to save Oliver? Someone we know? A new person?

[McLegend]

Also if I'm a writer on Arrow I'm making Laurel Black Canary in the next epiosde. Laurel is at her best when she is happy, and her being Canary would be as close as you can get.

Also 2 things that I'm not really sure work anymore.

1) Laurel still not telling her Father about Sara. I'm not sure if that's still an intriguing plot line. I think Detective Lance has to find out.
2) Why can't Thea know that Oliver is the Arrow? Thea not knowing he is The Arrow is defintely not an intriguing plot line. Last night is even more interesting if she knows about Oliver's secert.

[Lock Jaw]

Whoa.... Good stuff.... Dammit all at having to wait....

Guess we're getting a Lazarus Pit appearance..... but who will be the one to find his mangled corpse and toss him in? Asian guy? Katana, assuming she survived like everyone from his flashbacks?

[McLegend]

I hope someone who can teach Oliver some more martial arts so he can beat Ra's the next time they fight.

The last thing Oliver sees being Felicity tugged at my heart quite a bit.

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe an eight year old Connor Hawke

[McLegend]

Arrow is back tonight, Lock Jaw. Time to get pumped.

[McLegend]

I enjoyed it tonight, and I'm glad it's back. Roy impressed me tonight for the first time I think. Still has a long way to go

That alpha and omega stuff is pretty powerful.

Also Laurel really looked like a girl when she swung that staff.

[McLegend]

These mountains can't be that far from the city, because traveling back and forth between the two is really easy apparently.

[Lock Jaw]

Really enjoyed the episode, as can be expected....

Felicity was on point tonight character-wise......

Brick seems like a cool heel as well. However, I kind of want to see him taken down by the current non-Oliver crew, while Ollie is regaining his strength.

Also, again, Diggle really needs a mask.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, why is Amanda Waller trusting a novice with all of these important missions? I get that you want to use the guy and train him up.... but using him as one of the key people in a mission to recover a deadly virus that can kill millions? Yeah... maybe you want to use some of your more experienced people....

[McLegend]

She probably is setting him up to take some kind of fall.

[VSG]

I loved this episode more than most of the series, despite the lack of current day Arrow. Maybe because of the large amounts of character development.

[McLegend]

I am pumped. Laurel has to show me something tonight.

[McLegend]

90% of tonight was incredible. One of the best episodes in the entire series.

[Lock Jaw]

Dunno about that, but was a solid ep

[McLegend]

Vinny Jones has done well for himself. I liked the mini Dark Knight Rises arc it has going for itself right now.

Laurel is a pretty big negative though. It's good that she's not that good at being, and getting beat up a lot... Still

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, Vinny Jones real good...


Was hoping for a Ted Grant appearance... would have been good to have him appear, give Laurel a little "motivational boost" and also remind "the viewers" that she has been training.

[McLegend]

Yeah he should play a bigger role. It would be hard to find time for him though.

Also how terrible is Laurel's Black Canary costume? We have covered Laurel physical appearance earlier in this thread(mid season 2), but that costume is not doing her any favors. I kind of feel like she is going to have a short shelf life has Black Canary. I don't see her going through season 4... Also when her Dad does eventually find out about Sara he better have a heart attack to justify for Laurel not telling him. It's totally ridiculous.

[Lock Jaw]

I know the heroes are "busy".... but I keep wondering why they just do nothing about Malcolm Merlyn....

Dude pulled the strings to have Sara killed (via Thea) and then sending Ollie out to likely die...

But all they really do is talk to him and warn him not to do anything ELSE.

[McLegend]

I agree, but they can't do anything to him. He would kill all of them.

Now if they turn him over to League they will end up killing Thea. Then question would become would they really kill Thea since she was under mind control basically? Wouldn't Ra's Ah Ghul understand?

[Lock Jaw]

Surely they can at least try to concoct some plan to "outsmart" him, knowing they can't beat him in a fight.

Like how they concocted a plan to "outsmart" Slade Wilson.

[McLegend]

That was Oliver who concocted that plan though. Even with Oliver I don't think they can outsmart him. He did have two earthquake machines after all. That dude thinks of everything.

Also episode 17 is entitled Suicidal Tendencies, and it is another Suicide Squad episode.

[ClockShot]

The more I see her acting, the more I wonder why Rila Fukushima wasn't the first choice to be Katana. Phone must be ringing off the hook with offers. Doing a damn good job as a last minute replace.

Agreed with what's being said about Laurel. Was totally hoping Ted Grant would drop in somehow and kick things up a notch. With the way things are going, I ain't digging Black Canary 2.0.


And I saw Caity Loitz's name in the credits. Did they seriously just bring her in for a voiceover that episode?

[Lock Jaw]

The Atom revealed:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/142/757/original/routh-atom.jpg?1422995303

[McLegend]

I'm waiting till it makes it apparence on TV before I see it.

Might be the conclusion of the Arrow Rising Triology tonight.

[McLegend]

I loved it.

Poor Oliver

[Lock Jaw]

Ehhhh... I'm just not feeling Merlyn... it just pushes it a bit for me how they are fitting him in now that he is a main cast member....

Rolled my eyes when Roy was trying to defend him, and throw "the undertaking" in a rosy positive light of Merlyn just trying to do good.

Felicity is pretty much the only one reacting like how they should all react.

Also...

Ollie was stabbed in what looked like his heart (but yet only had bandages on his stomach) and tossed off a cliff.... must be some damn good medicine to bring a guy back from that... I hope this is expanded on further, because right now it is also pushing incredulity.

[McLegend]

Yeah you aren't wrong. I do think he needs Merlyn to train him in order to beat Rhu's, but obviously Merlyn is going to screw him in the end.

I feel like Oliver should have been away for longer to recuperate as well. Maybe there is some sort of mystical healing he had after all?

Also looks like next week is going to be a Laurel centric episode... Not loving that.

[Destor]

I love Laurel..,

[McLegend]

That's good she needs people to love her. There isn't many out there.

She's just kind of a buzz kill.

[Lock Jaw]

She is alright. Just looked weird in season 2. Think she has improved in the current season.

[Jura]

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Arrow-Season-3-Oliver-Death-Ras-al-Ghul.jpg

[McLegend]

I knew he came back at one point.

Totally dislike Laurel has Black Canary. Not feeling it at all. Other then that good stuff. Thea, did have a good quick turn on Malcolm Merlyn there.

[Jura]

Yeah it was pretty quick but for 90% of the series she was Oliver's number one fan.

[Tom Guycott]

The Atom revealed:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/142/757/original/routh-atom.jpg?1422995303

Oh, hey... it's Superman in his Kryptonite Suit.

[Lock Jaw]

http://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/t51.2885-15/10787844_1582435795307977_921951738_n.jpg
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[McLegend]

That's pretty awesome.

[McLegend]

I liked the episode overall tonight with Oliver finding his purpose. I also enjoyed some origins for the characters and places. Also a funny line or two about the near future.

What importance does this General have, Lock Jaw?

Is it me or did Felicity look really hot tonight?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Felicity was INCREDIBLY hot in this episode as always.

What I'm wondering is when Slade's Mirakuru will no longer be dormant. I say that because I think unlike everyone else he'll get it back in his own not because it was in him for years, but because the cure was made from Roy's blood so it makes sense that everyone whose Mirakuru came from his blood to be cured but Slade's obviously wasn't.

[Lock Jaw]

I liked the episode overall tonight with Oliver finding his purpose. I also enjoyed some origins for the characters and places. Also a funny line or two about the near future.

What importance does this General have, Lock Jaw?

Is it me or did Felicity look really hot tonight?

Good episode, yeah....

Not sure about the General... his name is familiar....

[Lock Jaw]

Oh, ok.

General Matthew Shrieve was the leader of the "Creature Commandos" in the comics... a "commando unit" made of "monsters" like a frankenstein creature, werewolf, mummy, vampire, etc.... and a robot.

[McLegend]

Hmmm I wonder if we will see any of that weird stuff.

[Jura]

http://www.abload.de/img/felicity3ewk2g.gif

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I'm not sure if there's a worse character on a good show than Laurel. Every scene she's in makes me consider if I want to carry on watching this.

[loopydate]

I'm really tired of these flashback-heavy episodes. I know they're an important part of the back story, but I feel like the last couple episodes haven't been balanced very well. Every time the "real-time" story starts to build up some momentum, a flashback happens and the narrative slams on the brakes for four minutes while Waller yells at Young Ollie for a segment.

[VSG]

I don't mind them in general but this last episode was pretty meh for me, especially with the excellent Flash episode the day before. I realize this isn't a fair comparison but it does come up all the time.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah the flashbacks have been the weaker parts of every episode since they left the island, and its generally bringing down the quality of season 3 for me, along with Slade not being around bar this last episode.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, the flashbacks have gone downhill since leaving the island and also not having Slade Wilson in them anymore.

[McLegend]

I'm willing to give the season 3 flashback a pass, because I know it's building to something really important. I'm willing to wait till I give a final say.

I always defended until recently. I've found that that main character" long time love interest is always kind of hated on most shows so I gave th benfit of the doubt with that in mind. However the whole Laurel being Black Canary doesn't so anything for me. I don't have a short term interest let alone long term interest in seeing her being Canary. I don't see her lasting very long.

I do feel that killing off Sara Lance was a mistake in the long run. Sara Lance far more interesting a character and looked better in the suit than Laurel.

[Lock Jaw]

Also felt that Sara's story didn't end so great in season 2 and I wanted more from it. Struggling to get out and not be a killer the whole season and then she pretty much just happily rejoins at the end....

[ClockShot]

Hype going around the interwebs is saying tonight is supposed to be a big time episode.

Although I really do hate the fade to black gunshot cliché ending cliffhanger episodes, so I'm tempted to just pass tonight and watch it in the morning.

[McLegend]

That was good.

Ray Palmer has to die though.

[Lock Jaw]

Uhhh... what?

Merlyn captured, everyone pointing out that he still has that video of Thea killing Sara.... and Ollie is just all "He's bluffing, he would never show them"

.....

Was that not the whole point of his first confrontation with Ra's? Merlyn saying he would show the video unless Oliver went and challenged Ra's?

[McLegend]

I agree... Counter point

Oliver didn't yet know that Merlyn really did care about Thea at the point.

[Lock Jaw]

Breaking news:

Deadline reporting that another possible Arrow/Flash spin-off is in the works. Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer), Victor Garber (Martin Stein), Wentworth Miller (Captain Cold), and Caity Lotz (Sara Lance/Canary) are listed as the expected stars. Plus "three major DC Comics characters who have never appeared in a TV series".

According to Deadline, the project may go straight to series, possibly with a midseason debut.