Farenheit 911

[YOUR Hero]

Has anyone heard if this was going to be released in any way shape or form?

If it is, would you want to see it?

I know when Bowling for Columbine came out it was very polarizing, as Moore tends to be. I hope it gets released.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Of course it is. I thought the doubt over its release was just a stunt?

I'm not that eager to see it.

[YOUR Hero]

Well Disney holds the rights, and states it wasn't going to allow it's release. I've since lost track of what's going on with it.

[Tony D]

If you're wondering about the movie you gotta read this: http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/#2

Moore: Bush Administration Is Trying To Ban My Film


Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has accused President George W. Bush's government of trying to thwart the creation and release of his documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. The Bowling For Columbine director told an audience at the Cannes Film Festival that the President's team feared the effect of the film - which exposes the links between the Bush and Bin Laden families - would spell disaster for the Republican party in the upcoming elections. Moore - who famously cried, 'Shame on you Mr Bush' as he received his Oscar in 2002 - is now hoping Miramax bosses Bob and Harvey Weinstein will distribute the film after Disney refused to. According to Moore, "someone connected to the White House, a top Republican" has put pressure on film companies not to release the movie. Moore explains, "The potential for this film to have an impact on the election was much larger than they thought. It is certainly something the Bush administration does not want people to see."

[Splaya]

Well regardless of this video or not, I'm still not voting for him to be re elected.

[Kane Knight]

Didn't Moore reach a deal with Miramax?

[Triple A]

Disney reached a deal with Miramax where Miramax would buy back the rights to the movie, and could sell it to another company to be distributed, like Lions Gate or something.

The movie is set for a July 2 release date for now.

[Disturbed316]

Its premiering at Cannes sometime this week or something

[Triple A]

Yeah it's today.

[Savio]

Farenheit 451?

[samichna]

It's a play on the name of Farenheit 451, but using 9/11 aka the date of the September 11th attacks

[Y2Crippler]

Moore can eat a big plate of crap.

[Kamchadal.]

Moore can eat a big plate of crap.

Have you seen him lately? I thionk he has eaten quite a few. The last pic i saw of him was disgusting. You know how a baby has little rolls of flesh at the wrists and the loses it later? HE STILL HAS THEM!

It was widely proven that Bowling....... had tons of false crap in the movie. I wonder how much of this one will be complete horse****?

[Boondock Saint]

Moore can eat a big plate of crap.


I agree but I give credit where it is due. The film was well-made and interesting, IMO.

[Y2Crippler]

Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

[Triple A]

Michael Moore is the man, stfu.

[Y2Crippler]

Michael Moore is the man, stfu.

If you consider a lying fat bastard who jumps on the bandwagon for everything the man, then yeah, he's the man.

[da_king]

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bah, i think some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to. don't forget that part of his role is to entertain and generate interest as well putting forth arguements and ideas that would support his point of view. people might take issue with his delivery but imo the points raised are still very importatnt and worth listening to. i will probably check out his movie and considering the political climate of the states, it's a very gutsy move to make a movie of that nature.

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[Confussed]

I’m interested in seeing the footage of human rights abuses by Coalition forces that are reported to be featured in this film. The very fact that it includes footage of troops engaged in battle and the aftermath of their actions is something which I’m sure will sway votes in America.

The other thing I’m looking forward to seeing is the Bush/Bin Laden/Saud finance investigation. I’m wondering if Moore has uncovered anything more explosive than the investigations by Greg Palast.

[samichna]

Moore isn't "the man" really.

Like I guess he is using his "fame" as a platform to get his message across, but a lot of times he is not telling us things that we don't already know.

I saw this one segment of his, I think it was from his TV show from a few years back, and it was showing how there is racial profiling (especially towards blacks) by police in a lot of the U.S.

Gee thanks, Mike, that whole Rodney King thing didn't do it for me, so it was really necessary for you to go mock a bunch of on-duty police officers, many of whom aren't racist. Oh, and I love how he "informs" us of all these tragic flaws in society, but doesn't do shit about it.

Whatever. His movies are interesting I guess, but he is a douchebag.

[Y2Crippler]

I watched Bowling For Columbine, and it is interesting and pretty entertaining, but after doing research and seeing how he took stuff out of context and edited his footage really makes me lose respect for him as a film maker. He's a dick. He might have the message, but he sure as hell doesn't have the correct way of doing it.

[Kamchadal.]

da_king - you said that "some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to". What message and how is it valid? Anyone can lie and shape the truth to meet their agenda.

[The Mask]

I don't have anything against him but I have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.

[Outsider]

Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Interesting....

[Kane Knight]

Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Except that a lot of these claims have been debunked already.

But why let that people stop from making claims?

[VonErich Lives]

Except that a lot of these claims have been debunked already.



Which ones and by who and where?

Just curious, seems pretty good stuff against moore, would like to see the "other side".

[Triple A]

Moore isn't "the man" really.

Like I guess he is using his "fame" as a platform to get his message across, but a lot of times he is not telling us things that we don't already know.

I saw this one segment of his, I think it was from his TV show from a few years back, and it was showing how there is racial profiling (especially towards blacks) by police in a lot of the U.S.

Gee thanks, Mike, that whole Rodney King thing didn't do it for me, so it was really necessary for you to go mock a bunch of on-duty police officers, many of whom aren't racist. Oh, and I love how he "informs" us of all these tragic flaws in society, but doesn't do shit about it.

Whatever. His movies are interesting I guess, but he is a douchebag.
:wtf:

He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.

[Triple A]

He makes his movies to get a point across.

If you were arguing for something, obviously you would only say things that would help your cause. You would not play both sides of the fence. If you are bashing him because he is biased towards his own opinions, that is retarded.

[Triple A]

BTW, the movie got a 15-25 MINUTE standing ovation at the Cannes film festival last night, where it premiered. People were saying it was the loudest, longest ovation they have ever witnessed.

[The Comet Kid]

Moore had some errors in Bowling that left him open for a lot of criticism. But most of the points he made stand.

He edited speeches :eek: What was he supposed to do? Show the whole ten minutes of Heston talking between I said to the mayor....dont come here we're already here? It didnt change the meaning of what he said. He said that to the mayor and thats what Moore put in the film. Its retarded to put in criticisms like that.

And the kid who shot that little girl isnt the nicest person in the world, and he didnt come from the greatest family. Well no shit, I expected him to be Bill Gates kid and have had the best upbringing that money could buy. :roll: Most of the criticism is retarded and completely misses the points being made. If guns werent so easily availible that kid wouldnt have had the gun, if his mum didnt have to work a job and never get to see her son then maybe he wouldnt be such a brat. You know I think theres even some research that says that kids who lose both parents in quick succession might...just might suffer because of it and they might act out :eek:

As far as his recent work the criticism he got for bowling where he did make a couple of mistakes has made him research his facts alot better. You only have to look at his last book "Dude Wheres My Country" and see how well sourced it is, in the back of the book everything is listed, every article, every report so that its simple for anyone to check up on his facts. And from what Ive seen and heard of Farenheit 9/11 its as well researched as hs last book and I havent heard anyone criticise his book for getting facts wrong.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ Thats Michaels response to all the criticism about Bowling aswell. From the bank scene, Hestons speech to the gun death figures:

The U.S. figure of 11,127 gun deaths comes from a report from the Center for Disease Control. Japan's gun deaths of 39 was provided by the National Police Agency of Japan; Germany: 381 gun deaths from Bundeskriminalamt (German FBI); Canada: 165 gun deaths from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency; United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain; Australia: 65 gun deaths from the Australian Institute of Criminology; France: 255 gun deaths, from the International Journal of Epidemiology.

[Kamchadal.]

Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK :roll:

[Boondock Saint]

Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK :roll:

:wtf: That has nothing to do with the quality of the film though

[mitch_h]

I often check out a movie site called joblo.com and the owner of the site attended the Cannes Festival and posted a review if anyone is interested.

http://www.joblo.com/fahrenheit911.htm

[YOUR Hero]

Stupid White Men was well researched as well. That too was a great read.

[VonErich Lives]

:wtf:

He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.

If there was no money to be made, you still think he'd be doing these?

[Kane Knight]

Which ones and by who and where?

Just curious, seems pretty good stuff against moore, would like to see the "other side".
Well, quite a bit of this was argued by our own Lamuella, when imboredisux brought up many of the same points in her own diatribe. I've seen "rebuttals" of sorts from other sites...Have to go look for them.

I'll also note that Moore's books are well-researched and well sourced. While I don't always think he's totally right, totally on the level (If you get through Dude, Where's My Country? and don't see him as rather slanted, you're a fool *), or covers everything when coming to his conclusions, he's still a very strong writer.

* Yeah, VEL, this isn't a shot at you, as you've never made the argument.

[Kane Knight]

Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK :roll:
Yeah, it's no good unless it gets an ovation in the trailer park film festival...:roll:

[Kane Knight]

If there was no money to be made, you still think he'd be doing these?
Well, I'd actually guess so. The guy did it for years before he really got serious recognition for it.

However COMMA, I don't know Mike personally.

Frankly, I'm not sure I would, either.

[samichna]

:wtf:

He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.

So, he is fat. I win.

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah, it's no good unless it gets an ovation in the trailer park film festival...:roll:

I dunno, a report I read is it was a largely french crowd that was also anti-us, although I'm not sure how the festivle works, I would have thought the crowd would have been a lot of non-french or invites.

[VonErich Lives]

Well, I'd actually guess so. The guy did it for years before he really got serious recognition for it.

However COMMA, I don't know Mike personally.

Frankly, I'm not sure I would, either.

Do you think his motives have changed? I mean, even from (I forget the name) the movie about Flynt and the Auto Plant closings to Todays 9/11... seems like he's more looking to target then help, which leads to money...

[da_king]

da_king - you said that "some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to". What message and how is it valid? Anyone can lie and shape the truth to meet their agenda.

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america's gun culture. it is a problem and it seems to me to be more prevelant in the states then elsewhere (or at least moreso then here in canada) this is something important enough to warrant investiagation imo. things like whether or not banks actually let you walk out with a gun the same day is irrevelant to me if they were still giving out guns later on after a background check or whatever, however long it takes. it's ludicrous to me that such a promotion would even take place and that people would actually feel compelled to sign up as a result of it but they do.

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[YOUR Hero]

Violence. It's soaked into America's culture.

[samichna]

Do you think his motives have changed? I mean, even from (I forget the name) the movie about Flynt and the Auto Plant closings to Todays 9/11... seems like he's more looking to target then help, which leads to money...

It's called Roger & Me. AKA Roger B. Smith, Chairman of the board at General Motors. Just watched that flick today actually.

[Triple A]

If there was no money to be made, you still think he'd be doing these?
Yes, obviously.

If he was just interested in making money, he'd be doing other types of films.

Documentaries aren't exactly the biggest money makers.

[Triple A]

I dunno, a report I read is it was a largely french crowd that was also anti-us, although I'm not sure how the festivle works, I would have thought the crowd would have been a lot of non-french or invites.
The crowd is made up of mostly a French audience, I'd assume, but maybe not. Apparently the screening had hundreds of American journalists and other American invites.

[YOUR Hero]

Cannes is a high profile place around the film festival time. Just because it's in France has nothing do do with it's audience being French.

[Buzzkill]

Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK :roll:
You guys, just cause he's new here doesnt mean he's a complete fuc</>king moron.

[Kane Knight]

Do you think his motives have changed? I mean, even from (I forget the name) the movie about Flynt and the Auto Plant closings to Todays 9/11... seems like he's more looking to target then help, which leads to money...
I don't know.

In "Dude, where's my country?" He gave multiple routes for people to take action. I don't think Moore's actually affect change by protesting with a bullhorn, but he brings attention to many issues, and offers people ways to solves the problems.

Other people have gotten flak for the same thing. After all, Boston asks who will save us from the Corporations, but you can buy them in chain record shops and websites like Amazon. Are they A) Selling out and making themselves hypocrites or B) Trying to reach a larger audience?

The problem is, people need to see a problem before they can act on it. Moore's often farcial look on things has served as a wakeup call for many a person. Is this the desired intent, or just a lucky side effect? I don't really know. BFC didn't exactly make it as a huge summer blockbuster. Still, I severely doubt Moore's starving (I mean, LOOK at him. ;)).

He took action even in the case of BFC. The question is, what was his underlying motive there? He did make a shock "journalism" run at K-Mart, and they folded. He tried to drive a point home with Heston, whether or not you agree with how he did it.

Thing is, Moore isn't just inciting people. He's trying to incite them to action. Is he doing this for money, or because he's trying to do good? I don't really know. If all he wanted to do was incite people and make money, he could do it. The Bush administration has even created a niche market for books that do nothing but complain (Ironically, most of the authors are in ivory towers). While I don't know his motivations, and I don't totally like the guy, he's doing more tan most of these fu</>ckers are.

'But just to drive home, he's not doing nothing. I don't know his motives (Though I'm someone skeptical), but I know he does more than most of the people I know (Which pisses me off, because the complain, and I'm the only one who ever tries to DO anything....).

[Kane Knight]

I dunno, a report I read is it was a largely french crowd that was also anti-us, although I'm not sure how the festivle works, I would have thought the crowd would have been a lot of non-french or invites.
Report from where?

There are a large number of non french people, and France is not very largely Anti-US, and I doubt the film festival is either.

Unlike America, they're not renaming all their food because they disagree with our foreign policy. From my experience, the french are a little less childish and a little more careful-tongued than America tends to be.

Except on the simpsons. ;)

[Blue Demon]

I like Michael Moore. He's an excellent Film maker

[Kane Knight]

You guys, just cause he's new here doesnt mean he's a complete ****ing moron.
No, but that post you quoted gives a pretty good indication.

[The CyNick]

I remember a time when the United States of America had FREEDOM OF SPEECH...those were good times.

The link between the Bush family and the bin Laden's is very valid. Bush even made sure that members of the bin Laden family were flown out of the US right after 9/11. I guess that was more important than oh I dont know, trying to get information from them about UBL.

I like the fact that Moore goes out of his way to take a different slant on the BS that the State controlled media spits at Americans everyday. The very fact that people are checking out facts and doing research is a good sign, because if you did that for CNN, FOX and the rest of the puppets you'd learn a lot about the good ol' USA.

But do I believe everything he says? No, no more than I believe everything that George Bush says. I mean Moore did a piece in Bowling For Columbine where he asked people in Toronto (in Canada) if they lock their doors. I live in a nice neighbourhood, but I would never leave my door unlocked, because there are enough crazy people in this city and I dont need any of them in my house. But if you watch his movie it seems like people in Toronto leave their doors open and there's hardly any crime. Granted, Toronto isn't as bad a city like Chicago (similar size) but like I said I wouldn't tempt anything by leaving my door open.

However, for the most part, I found the film to be fair, and he presented some interesting points. I'm looking forward to the piece on the Bush family, but at the same time I dont think it will make much of a difference. To be frank, I think even if the US public were to see Bush at UBL's Birthday Party playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey a certain percentage of the US population would stick their head in the sand and say thats the Liberal media playing games.

[El Santo]

Report from where?

There are a large number of non french people, and France is not very largely Anti-US, and I doubt the film festival is either.

Unlike America, they're not renaming all their food because they disagree with our foreign policy. From my experience, the french are a little less childish and a little more careful-tongued than America tends to be.

Except on the simpsons. ;)

You have to admit, though, that the audience for a highly controversial film like "Farenheit 9/11" would be strongly slanted towards people who tend to agree with Moore's views. Conservative types would likely pass it over. Sorta like how your typical audience for "Passion of Christ" would be mostly Christians.

Hence, the applause would come from people who felt that their views were reinforced and validated.

[Triple A]

The movie won the Palm D'Or at Cannes, by the way.

That is the equivalent to "Best Picture."

The jury, which was head by Quentin Tarantino, said the award was not given because of its political stance, but because it was simply a great film.

[Kane Knight]

You have to admit, though, that the audience for a highly controversial film like "Farenheit 9/11" would be strongly slanted towards people who tend to agree with Moore's views. Conservative types would likely pass it over. Sorta like how your typical audience for "Passion of Christ" would be mostly Christians.

Hence, the applause would come from people who felt that their views were reinforced and validated.
If it was in movie theaters, and not at Cannes, I'd have to agree.

The average moviegoing audience for Farenheit 911 will most definitely be liberally slanted.

[Kane Knight]

I remember a time when the United States of America had FREEDOM OF SPEECH...those were good times.

The link between the Bush family and the bin Laden's is very valid. Bush even made sure that members of the bin Laden family were flown out of the US right after 9/11. I guess that was more important than oh I dont know, trying to get information from them about UBL.

I like the fact that Moore goes out of his way to take a different slant on the BS that the State controlled media spits at Americans everyday. The very fact that people are checking out facts and doing research is a good sign, because if you did that for CNN, FOX and the rest of the puppets you'd learn a lot about the good ol' USA.

But do I believe everything he says? No, no more than I believe everything that George Bush says. I mean Moore did a piece in Bowling For Columbine where he asked people in Toronto (in Canada) if they lock their doors. I live in a nice neighbourhood, but I would never leave my door unlocked, because there are enough crazy people in this city and I dont need any of them in my house. But if you watch his movie it seems like people in Toronto leave their doors open and there's hardly any crime. Granted, Toronto isn't as bad a city like Chicago (similar size) but like I said I wouldn't tempt anything by leaving my door open.

However, for the most part, I found the film to be fair, and he presented some interesting points. I'm looking forward to the piece on the Bush family, but at the same time I dont think it will make much of a difference. To be frank, I think even if the US public were to see Bush at UBL's Birthday Party playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey a certain percentage of the US population would stick their head in the sand and say thats the Liberal media playing games.
Question, Nick.

Do you lock your doors when you're at home?

I notice he chose a time of day when people seemed to be home a lot, and the people were all immediately nearby pretty much.

Lots of people feel they have to fortify their homes, even when they're there.

You're right about the whole "liberal media" deal. It's this perfect boogeyman.

[The CyNick]

Question, Nick.

Do you lock your doors when you're at home?

I notice he chose a time of day when people seemed to be home a lot, and the people were all immediately nearby pretty much.

Lots of people feel they have to fortify their homes, even when they're there.

You're right about the whole "liberal media" deal. It's this perfect boogeyman.


I'm not going to say that my door is locked at all times, because you can always forget. But as long as I notice, and 99% of the time, the door is locked. Toronto isn't what I would call the safest place in the world (its not NYC mind you but still), so I always try to make sure my door is locked.

I dont know where Moore was, but most people I know wouldn't leave the doors unlocked. He might have went to the burbs and claimed it was Toronto, or maybe he tried 1,000 doors, and 5 or 6 were unlocked.

[Boondock Saint]

Here's some news. I'm pretty surprised it's getting released this early. Figured Fall at the latest.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/02/film.moore.reut/index.html

[DaveWadding]

SEXY. Gonna go see that ishhhhh.

[da_king]

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also read a write-up in today's paper about bush sr. condeming micheal moore for attacking his son. yeah nice to see it comming out soon.


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[Boomer]

I wish everyone would chill out about Moore. My TOK (philosophy) class at school saw BFC and instantly we had people trying to nitpick at the fact that Heston's tie changes colors and Moore doesn't say where his facts come from. WHO CARES. IMO, it's art. Sure he is trying to force his opinion, but its ART. And if he has to make a couple blunders for it to be valid argument, then he is entitled to do so. It's his artistic expression. And you don't have to like it. But as a FILM, as ART, I think anyone can appreciate it.

[Triple A]

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

LOL check it out. Looks great.

[Triple A]

The end of the trailer is classic.

[el fregadero]

I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you, now watch this drive.

[mitch_h]

LOL apparently another filmmakerwill be making a movie about Michael Moore cleverly titled MICHAEL MOORE HATES AMERICA. He wants it to be distributed around the same time Farenheit 9/11 comes out.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=4473

[Vega]

God damn it, I can't get the trailer to load. Fucking god damn college connection.

[da_king]

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i heard about that movie about micheal moore. seems like that guy's trying to employ some of moores tactics and using it on him. :lol:

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[Vega]

Got it to work, looks pretty damn good. Going to have to see that.

[The CyNick]

haha

Michael Moore hates Armerica because he's not a Republican

[Kane Knight]

I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you, now watch this drive.
LOL Classic line.

[Kane Knight]

haha

Michael Moore hates Armerica because he's not a Republican
Well, duh.

His lies aren't our lies! UNAMERICAN!

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK :roll:

The board of judges the gave the film the palm d'or only had one french fry on it. The rest were all foreign, including two Americans.

The crowd at that event is also largely foreign. It was the whole world cheering for that film.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

Violence. It's soaked into America's culture.

And fear. Fear spread our media. CNN. NBC. FNC. CBS. ABC. They are all guilty. But it is not their fault. Fear sells.

[YOUR Hero]

And fear. Fear spread our media. CNN. NBC. FNC. CBS. ABC. They are all guilty. But it is not their fault. Fear sells.

Indeed. ever hear of 'The Detroit Project?'

I'll go see if it's still around, some people may like the read.

[Blue Demon]

Ok...he's trying to make an "essay" of sorts...aren't you gonna provide evidence that supports your thesis? Michael Moore of course is gonna be slanted because he is trying to prove his points and I found that whenever he tried top get another perspective...IT DROVE AWAY. I mean you can poke holes through a lot of things...he's just showing one point of view...aren't we all entitled to do that>

[The Outlaw]

"Congressman, Im trying to get members of the Congress to get their kids to enlist in the Army and go over to Iraq."

[Jon Kano]

I saw Bowling For Columbine and thought what a lot of what people also thought; great film, effective etc and that Moore should be credited etc, but then I saw things in the film that didnt make sense or that just doubted what I thought of Moore.

I cant remember all of these instances but there is ONE I remember:

- if you have the film or a good memory, cast yourselves back to when Moore was askin Charlton Heston for an interview. - He said a certain time, but then when Moore is interviewing him, a clock is clearly visable, but not at the agreed time mentioned previously.

I know this could mean shit, but there was other stuff.

[sucafrutpi]

i think this film has a lot of potential to at least get people thinking about bush and his [lack of] credibility. the vast majority of americans are just working everyday, living their lives, not really watching the news or following politics. hopefully this film will get the same kind of insane media attention that Passion did, and controversy always draws crowds. no matter how the movie is received, it will at least bring politics to the box office and change some minds. i hope to go see it.

[YOUR Hero]

Just saw a commercial on the TV about it opening June 25th.

Better get it here :mad:

[Triple A]

It opens June 25th in the US and Canada in theaters everywhere.

[YOUR Hero]

Yeah, but I mean here, Prince George. This place is so fucking cookie cutter. Takes in only the blockbusters and almost nothing else.

[King TIL]

You should call and get other people to contact the theater and request it. If they know there's an audience, probably more likely they'll order the prints.

[I-Hate-You]

I really don't want to see this film. I'll probably get mad as hell if I see it and I try to enjoy myself when I go to a movie, which isn't very often sadly. I might just stick to Spider-man.

[Joeleosis]

yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President. :love:

[Buzzkill]

yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President. :love:
:love:

[Adder]

yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President. :love:

The timing of this film isn't coincidental.

[Kane Knight]

Ya think?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'll see it, but from what I've seen in the past from him, I expect little more than a propaganda film. The fact that they actually call these documentaries makes me laugh. The fact that there probably won't be one objective thing about this film should do away with any documentary title.

The worst part is the reality that many people are actually going to hang off what he says and follow his opinion blindly. I mean hell, why should people research when they can just listen to one side of the argument and make a biased conclusion.

[Kane Knight]

Yup. Not one thing will be true.

Including the following:

9-11
Bush having ties to the Bin Laden family
The above family being flown out of the country while other flights are grounded
Bush's speeches (all will be fabricated through computer animation).

Just like the following things in Bowling for Columbine were false:
Marylin Manson (I knew he couldn't be real)
The shooting at Columbine
the Existence of the NRA
9-11 (YEah, can you believe the nerve of him, trying to milk the same lie twice?)
Canada bordering on the US.

Can you believe the nerve of this man to say NOTHING true in a movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kane Knight]

Sorry, should say objective.

Point still stands.

The overall movie? Not objective.

Isolated facts? Probably will be, as much so as can be expected from anyone.

The minute you ask questions, you pretty much fuck objectivity.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm not questioning the reality of the topics. However, to someone who isn't really well educated in the matter, Moore can easily twist the reality into whatever he wants the viewers to see.

Take the bank scene in Bowling for Columbine. He twisted the reality of the bank "handing out guns" into something that it wasn't.

As I said, I'm going to see Farenheit 911, so if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to admit it. Alas, I have the feeling that the topics you brought up (Bush allowing the Bin Laden family safe passage out of America, etc) will be displayed in enough of a subjective extreme that those who are ignorant on the matter will leave the theater convinced of Moore's point, and will have no desire to do any research of their own for any other reasons why those events may have happened how they did.

[Kane Knight]

I seem to have to say this every time, but.

Anyone who only looks at any one source for information, regardless of the source, is a total moron and deserves the bullshit and misinformation they get.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I seem to have to say this every time, but.

Anyone who only looks at any one source for information, regardless of the source, is a total moron and deserves the bullshit and misinformation they get.

Agreed. The only problem is that when it comes to politics, especially in an election year, misinformation effects votes. While people can vote for whomever they want, for whatever reasons they want, I still wish people's reasons were based off logic and fact. Ignorance from either political extreme has the potential to hurt us as a country, not just the ignorant themselves.

I don't know, I'm feeling very preachy. It's all but impossible to make all people educated on what's actually going on in politics, especially when we never know for sure if what we know is right in the first place. Between friends, acquaintances, and talk radio, I'm becoming very sick of listening to one sided perspectives on matters where they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that they may be wrong.

[Kane Knight]

I'm having trouble caring that some people might pay to have their opinion influenced when a conservative-run media comglomerate is shelling out advertisements and programming for free.

Basically, the fist thing that comes to mind is, "Big fucking whoop."

A lot of people are trying to make sure that Bush doesn't win...In order to do that, they have to beat a man who was willing to say McCain, a fellow Republican, was pro-cancer. Someone who wanted to claim that Gore wanted to take all guns away. They're up against a huge propaghanda machine, so really, whatever it takes, right?

[Kane Knight]

BTW, I'm not endorsing Moore's style. Far as I'm concerned, a lot of his style detracts from whatever point he might try and make.

Especially in a case like Bush.

The facts should be able to speak for themselves. If Moore can't do that, he really sucks at storytelling. If he actually needs to slant one of the biggest liars in the last century, or some of the most hideous truths in the last 30 years, then he's an idiot.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Eh, lets just take Kerry and Bush, shoot them full of "truth serum" or whatever chemical it is, and hold live press sessions and debates the week before elections. Maybe if they spew enough bullshit, public opinion will go down the toilet for both of them and then we can elect Nader... Wait, no one votes independent.

[BCWWF]

I just skimmed through this whole topic, and here is what I have to say.

A lot of people in the United States are "ignorant," or "easilly swayed". Now when trying to influence these people, if you want them to vote left you don't say "George Bush is bad at public speaking," you go to the extreme, "George Bush lies and put our country in danger," technically they both are true, but which one do you think is going to get more response? It is rediculous to complain that a biased man is being bias when trying to get people to follow him.

Someone asked if Moore would still be doing this without the money, I would say yes. He made The Big One and Roger and Me, and wrote two books before he became famous. I would think that if he was never famous he would still be doing it.

I forgot my third point..Meh

[Vega]

LOL @ the IMDB ratings:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361596/ratings

all 1's or 10's.

[Boondock Saint]

I'm hearing more negative feedback than positive about this so far...

[Triple A]

Where are you hearing negative feedback? From Fox News?

Everything I've heard so far has been overwhelmingly positive. It won the damn Palme d'Or and people are saying it could be the first documentary to be nominated for Best Picture in the Academy Awards.

[YOUR Hero]

LOL, Trips

Moore was on Jon Stewart last night. When asked if his movie was biased he said "well of course it is"

In his words, he said he provides facts then adds his opinions. Opinions he believes to be true. What's refreshing listening to him is his acknowledgement that it's biased, most people would try to claim it was fair and balanced in an effort to justify themselves and/or their work.

Opinions are always biased.

[el fregadero]

US users 5.1
Non-US users 8.7

[Boondock Saint]

Where are you hearing negative feedback? From Fox News?

Everything I've heard so far has been overwhelmingly positive. It won the damn Palme d'Or and people are saying it could be the first documentary to be nominated for Best Picture in the Academy Awards.

Nah just reviews and opinions from normal people on some movie sites/messageboards. I dunno. But those were only advanced screenings or something so it was a select few. Haven't checked back today.

[loopydate]

I'm going to see it tomorrow night. I can't wait.

[BCWWF]

7:25 tonight, I'll tell you after that

[DegenerationY]

Seeing it early tomorrow. It's gonna be worth the money.

Everybody I know is either seeing it today or tomorrow

[Head]

Saw a 1:25 show today.

I liked it a lot, but I already really hate Bush, just as it seemed almost everyone else in the thearter did.

For somebody who really isn't sure who they're gonna vote for in November though, I really don't know that this would sway them too much. He seems to spend just as much time in the movie making fun of Bush going on vacation a lot, and how stupid he looks while getting ready to give an address on TV as he does on his connections to the Saudis. Nothing too ground breaking, or new really if you ask me, even though it was a very funny, and well made film.

[DaveWadding]

Seeing it Sunday.

[BCWWF]

I saw it tonight, and I thought it was really good. The theater broke out in clapping numerous times. The one downfall for me was that I have read Moore's books etc and already know most of the information in the movie. If you ask me, yes of course the movie was biased because it was made to make Bush look bad, but I don't think he went over the line and it didn't seem like facts were altered really. Overall, really good.

[Triple A]

Saw it tonight. It ruled, IMO.

For any normal person who isn't a blind conservative Bush lover, I think this movie would easily sway people to not vote for Bush. It made him look so amazingly incompetent over and over and basically showed how shitty the war in Iraq was.

It showed lots of troops there saying how much they hated Bush for making them go there for false reasons. It showed mothers of troops who died, who were pro-Bush and pro-war, but were only blinded by ignorance, as they said, and had now changed their views. It also showed how we were so pumped with fear in order for Bush to gain support for the war.

Some of the scenes were really powerful stuff, like the innocent Iraqi woman hysterically crying that bombs had destroyed her houses and killed five of her family members, and the woman reading her son's last letter before he died in Iraq.

I dunno it was great and hilarious at the same time. The last quote by Bush in the movie is great. Such a perfect ending to the movie.

9/10

[BCWWF]

and the woman reading her son's last letter before he died in Iraq.

I almost cried there.


There were some really LOL moments, "An old saying we have in Tennessee, well we have it in Texas so I assume that you have it in Tennessee, when the going gets tough...duh"

[Buzzkill]

90% of what I've heard about it has been positive.

Really looking forward to seeing this movie.

[John la Rock]

ya I can't wait to see it.

I'm a big fan of Moore even though he lies half of the time

[BCWWF]

Also, I think this movie is effective because it is all about the War in Iraq, it's not taking cheap shots at other political views, it just exploits bad decisions regarding Iraq.

[BCWWF]

The only thing I didn't really like was when he kind of took a cheap shot on the congressmen. That probably wasn't good for him in the future either.

[Smitty]

I saw it today and thought it was really good. Moore was really thorough in his research and cut the film together in such great fashion. One scene you would be on the brink of crying, a second later you would be cracking up laughing. It's still not going to sway how I vote, seeing I'm not ever going to vote until they get rid of the electoral college and because I don't want to be put at the top of the list for jury duty :y:

[Nowhere Man]

I'd suggest the Moore fans here check out this site:

www.bowlingfortruth.com

But I highly doubt any of you will read it, since you'll be too eager to dismiss the writer (and most likely myself) as a gun-totin' moron hick.

[BCWWF]

Nowhere man, you are not creative or innovative by showing us a site like that. Nobody here thinks that Moore is god, nobody thinks he is telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and those little analytical things they point out honestly don't matter. I was just reading through it and it was comparing calling it "evil rock music" to "demonic music," shit like that doesn't matter. We can both look at the little things in his movies differently, but in the end the message is still the same, the broad pictures shown in the movies are still the same, and because some random guy decided that Moore uses "deceptive tactics" doesn't change anyones opinion, because if we didn't already know that, we would already be retarded.

[BCWWF]

To guys like NowhereMan and VEL, let me ask you a question.

Does posting sites like this make you feel better? Make you feel like there really isn't a gun problem in the United States and that half of America doesn't believe we should be in Iraq?

Well get over it.

[Kane Knight]

I'd suggest the Moore fans here check out this site:

www.bowlingfortruth.com (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com)

But I highly doubt any of you will read it, since you'll be too eager to dismiss the writer (and most likely myself) as a gun-totin' moron hick.
Let's look at some of these:


- 'Evil' Rock Music: I suspect it's phrased as "evil rock music" instead of "demonic" or some more appropriate term to trivialize the phrase and thereby trivializing the argument and make it sound like more of a judgmental puritanical term.

Why would he choose "demonic," either? That's absurd, and makes the author sound as slanted as they claim Moore is.

- Bad Parenting: Interesting that Moore thinks this is a stupid thing to blame a shooting on seeing as he uses it later in the movie. When manipulating the Kayla Rolland shooting (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/kayla.htm), Moore blames the occurrence on lack of parenting which he in turn blames on Dick Clark (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/clark.htm).

Actually, he blames Welfare to Work. He tries to interview Dick as to why he's going along with the program. Nowhere, do you take this person seriously? Already, just in the title section, I've found two problems.

Nonsense to blame Manson, but plausible to blame the news and the military? Moore doesn't explain this odd sense logic. He doesn't back up his claim that bowling and illicit glorified violence are on the same level of motivating violent acts at any point in the film. He simply says they are, says it plainly and in an obvious manner and seeks to make you feel foolish if you challenge it. Don't be fooled.


but it makes perfect sense to blameManson, even though the Columbine kids had a sum total of one Manson record, and they couldn't tie it to other acts. Meanwhile, where's the acute tie between Manson and violence? I'm sure you've got a ton of studies that confirm this...

Moore's parallel of bowling with the kids other interests is inherently dishonest, seeing as there is no evidence to suggest the kids were bowling fanatics, but tons that prove their interest in the other culprits -- so therefore it is NOT by any means 'just as logical to blame bowling' for the murders.

but there was proof they were Manson fanatics? Oh wait, there wasn't. Thanks for slanting your own shit, retard.

Since Moore seriously poses bowling as an equally plausible contributor to murder than anything else suggested, let us explore exactly what effect the 2 boys ideology had on them. An article in the web publication Salon.com (1), by Dave Cullen titled Kill Mankind. No One Should Survive, reports on, among other things, the writings of Eric Harris in his diary. He says: "Kill mankind. No one should survive."

Evidence, including information found in the article also indicates that Harris was a good Darwinist, an evolutionist. One source is reported as saying that when the murders began, "Harris tore off his trench coat to expose a white T-shirt reading "Natural Selection.'" One investigator who has seen Harris' writings says: "[He] talks a lot about natural selection and that kind of leads into his admiration of Hitler and Nazism and their 'final solution' -- that we, the human race have interrupted or disrupted natural selection by inventing vaccines and stuff like that."


Wow. Wouldn't this actually PROVE the point that they weren't motivated by Manson, the very essence of the movie's rants on media scare tactics?

Unless, you're prepared to tie Manson to Nazis and the Final Solution.

The lead investigator on the Columbine murders, Kate Battan, also mentions the Harris/Klebold desire for fame. She says, paraphrased, that she thinks this was "the single biggest reason" the mass murders were committed. It is said that other key investigators agreed with this assessment. Battan says the writings of Harris and Klebold were littered with comments about their expected glory:

See?

The main cause. Not manson, not video games. Funny that. Ironically, the next section is entitled "whakco Attacko Alert." Pot, Kettle, Kettle, pot.

Nowhere, don't be a moron. Don't let someone else think for you, even if they say the things you want to hear. I didn't even need to defend Moore, just attack this fuckwit's bullshit logic.

[loopydate]

"9/11" was an amazing film. It was incredibly hard to watch (particularly the little boy screaming as he gets his head stitched shut), but I'm glad I did.

People made such a fuss over "The Passion" when it came out, but this is the most important film to come out this year. Whereas "The Passion" was a millenia-old story retold as a snuff film, "Fahrenheit" is bringing a message to the masses that has been drowned out in a sea of red-white-and-blue chest-thumping jingoism. While it's true that Moore doesn't bring out much in the way of new information (at least for those ambitious enough to search for it), what he presents on the screen is vital, and anyone who sees this and still thinks they're doing the right thing by voting for Bush again is seriously deluded.

[I-Hate-You]

I may have already said this, but I don't want to see this film. I'm probably going to vote for Nader or Kerry anyway, and I don't need a film to back up my beliefs.

[loopydate]

I may have already said this, but I don't want to see this film. I'm probably going to vote for Nader or Kerry anyway, and I don't need a film to back up my beliefs.
Vote for Kerry. Even though I think Nader would make a better President, he has no chance of getting elected. To get Bush out of the Oval Office, the easiest way to do it is voting for Kerry.

Then, in four years, we can try Nader again. :D

[BCWWF]

Actually, the voting process is simple. Find out if Kerry has any chance of winning your state, or if he is going to win it by a landslide. If your state is a tossup, vote Kerry, if you live in Texas or something, vote Nader. Simple eh?

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm voting Bush because Dennis Miller is voting Bush and he's good people...

[Triple A]

You are an idiot.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't do politics therefore I am easily swayed. :'(

[Guest #1]

I just saw F. 9-11 last night. I see how it can be polarized in reaction, but when it comes down to it, it was good film making. I would rate it higher than Bowling, and that says something. I was discussing it with a friend today, and I think it may be too hot to win him the Oscar this year, but I see how it could take home the Palm D'ore.

Love it or hate it, it's entertaining.

[Kane Knight]

I'm voting Bush because Dennis Miller is voting Bush and he's good people...
Dennis Miller also thinks that Iraq masterminded 9-11.

[loopydate]

Dennis Miller also thinks that Iraq masterminded 9-11.
For that matter, so does Dick Cheney.

Of course, Cheney has the excuse of being legally dead for most of the past two years, so...

[YOUR Hero]

Not playing in PG as I suspected. Fucking bullshit.

Here are my "choices".


Your search result on Sunday Jun 27, 2004 produced the following 6 results:





Famous Players 6 Prince George


Around The World In 80 Days 120 mins
Sun: 1:10 pm 3:50 pm 7:20 pm 10:05 pm

Violence



Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban (No Passes) 142 mins
Sun: 12:00 pm 3:00 pm 7:00 pm 10:00 pm

Frightening scenes




Shrek 2 90 mins
Sun: 12:05 pm 2:15 pm 4:20 pm 7:05 pm 9:30 pm



The Chronicles Of Riddick 119 mins
Sun: 12:40 pm 3:25 pm 7:25 pm 10:05 pm

Frequent violence, coarse language




The Day After Tomorrow 124 mins
Sun: 12:45 pm 3:20 pm 7:10 pm 9:40 pm

Frightening scenes, coarse language



The Terminal 121 mins
Sun: 12:15 pm 2:50 pm 7:20 pm 9:50 pm

Coarse language

[Triple A]

Download it. http://www.packetnews.com/search.php?kw=fahrenheit

[DegenerationY]

"They have a saying in Tennessee, well actually, in Texas too but... it goes something like 'Fool me once, shame on... um.. shame... on... um... you. umm... what I'm trying to say is that you can't fool us more than once :rant:'"

:rofl:

Great movie. Obviously biased but really, who cares? Anybody with half a brain should know not to take this movie as gospel. I give it 9/10

[YOUR Hero]

Download it. http://www.packetnews.com/search.php?kw=fahrenheit

Thanks for the link. I'll download it from work. This home puta is so shitty.

[Triple A]

You need to download mIRC to use those links though. ( www.mirc.com )

Just click them, then it will open the program on its own and it will automatically copy the code you need to enter onto your clipboard. So, all you have to do is press Ctrl+V when the window opens, and it will start to download.

If it gives you any "set your client to receive transfers" message, go to the Options, then the "DCC" menu, then the "Ignore" menu, and set "Method:" to disabled.

[Triple A]

Or go to http://www.novatorrent.com and download the program.

Then go to www.suprnova.org and search for "fahrenheit".

[Kane Knight]

Here's some more from that site NM linked us to.



Many of his fans point-out that Moore is NOT anti-gun, and point to his membership in the NRA (as well as the very guns he owns) as proof. However, at the same time, he is the poster-boy for gun-control.

If you can't see the hypocrisy in this, then you're a moron; he's preaching veganism while eating a steak.

In Bowling, Michael Moore brags that he is a "lifetime member" of the NRA. So it might be expected that Moore would inform viewers about the NRA's noble anti-slavery history, but not quite. In his brief history of America (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/cartoon.htm) cartoon he attempts the opposite and does an admirable job of welding racism to the NRA wherever possible as detailed in other places of this site. The main issue here is Moore's phony respect for the organization. Instead of coming out against it and opposing what he feels are dangerous and detrimental actions, he feigns neutrality in Bowling For Columbine when it is clear he despises the organization.

Just look at what Moore says about the NRA himself :

"After Columbine, I decided that I would run against Charlton Heston for the presidency of the NRA. If elected, my plan was to try to return the NRA to a gun safety organization, instead of its current agenda of gun fanaticism. The rules said that to run for president, you had to be a member for the past five years or buy a lifetime membership for $750. And that's what I did. But after a while I realized this endeavor was going to take too much time, so I decided to focus all my attention on the movie I was making."

Well, first off, Moore didn't make that COMEDY piece. It was the South Park guys.

Second, I'm yet to see any tangible evidence of the NRA being strongly anti-slavery, except by their own claims in response to things like this.

Third, it's ironic that this genius would chastise Moore for not understand the NRA and then think that being for gun control and being for gun rights are mutually exclusive. Though it mystifies me that Moore can be against Dean on Gun control (while claiming not to be anti-gun), that doesn't even come up in Columbine.

The Hardline gun nuts claim that every restriction on guns will immediately turn into men in black helicopters taking away their guns. The NRA was so panicked by optional ttrigger locks being included with two company's guns that they called for boycotts from their measure. Because, you know, if you exercise any degree of reasonable safety when dealing with a firearm, you're unAmerican and the terrorists have won. And obviously, the next logical conclusion is that the people who include them optionally are taking away your rights...Somehow.

Trust me. I live in Vermont. Gun laws are pretty lax, and a lot of the gun owners are actually reasonable. It's pretty hard to believe on such a polar issue, I know. Being from a state with such a gun culture, I know first-hand that there are NRA members who still believe in reasonable gun rights and reasonable gun control.

Following that, there's the origin of the NRA, which has fuck all to do with being a lobbyist group for mob justice and a nuke in every home. :p

[MrMeJW]

I just saw it tonight. It was good except the asshole 3 rows ahead of us was smoking the whole time. Also people did a standing ovation to this movie so I yelled out "who the hell are you clapping to" which got a laugh and ended the clapping

[Kane Knight]

I'm bored, so more on that site.

There are some trivial, rather silly details in the scene that arise from simple shoddy filmmaking. The scene shows a dog with gun on it's back & a wounded hunter lying on the ground. We're supposed to think we're watching video from the accident, but several mistakes make this pretty obviously not true.


The dog is calmly moving around -- which it wouldn't be if a hunting rifle had just gone off over his head and blown his eardrums in.

The Hunter, who was in fact shot in the leg, is lying there quietly - dare I say 'dead looking.' (I'm reminded of the scene towards the end of Trainspotting where a kitten innocently plays around a dead character).

Why would someone just be standing there filming this? They would no doubt be panicking to get help or help their wounded comrade in some kind of frenzy -- not calmly video taping the whole thing.
A little further down...

Well, what's more important is the fact that in reality, the Darwin Award winning hunters had tried to take a photo with a still camera, and did not have video (1)

Well, people and animals don't always behave as are expected. As a matter of fact, i've seen real video where a guy was hurt and his friends kept filming. Surprised? It makes it to those "real TV" styled shows sometimes, even.

The best part is "The Darwin Awards said otherwise, so it must be fake."

Wrong.

The Darwin awards have included false/incorrect information before, probably will again.

The Darwin awards have mistaken facts, and there have been a few stories at least that made it up without even ever happening.

[Kane Knight]

Moore in Michigan was a riot too.

I swear, this person's looking to make up as much offense as possible. Put words in his mouth, stretch the truth, lie, whatever it takes...Ironic, because Moore is supposed to be such a liar.

Come on, Nowhere, you can't honestly believe this bullshit.

[Kane Knight]

Once again, however, Moore does not tell the whole story. True, the state of North Dakota did issue a permit to McWilliams to carry a concealed weapon. But, he is not totally blind. He is able to distinguish day from night, light from dark.

Newsflash.

THERE ARE A TON OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE BLIND AND HAVE SOME MARGINAL AMOUNT OF SIGHT. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE IS, INDEED, BLIND.

Being able to distinguish light from dark or a black shape from a white shape should not be sufficient to won a gun, because it's not gonna be enough to reasonably handle a gun in most situations. This realistically is a problem.

Again, raised around guns. Vermont. I've handled and fired guns, so I'm far from the suburban audience this shmuck tries to generalise as the anti-gun folk. Nor do I feel superior to gun toters.

Man, this site is so fun to pick apart.

[Kane Knight]

Also, I think if a blind man wants to pull the "equal rights" card that he should operate fully on equal rights. I hope he's never collected scoial security/disability, and never used braille.

His argument could go for serial murderers, who should have the second ammendment rights and priveleges to own weapons. I mean, they're Americans. So what if they're dangerous Americans?

[#1-norm-fan]

Dennis Miller also thinks that Iraq masterminded 9-11.

Well this is SOME revelation!!!

[Lotus]

Michael Moore pisses me off. When I saw Bowling for Columbine, I felt like Moore was talking to viewers as if they didn't know shit. Though I like his message and plan on seeing Farenheit, I still don't like that guy. But don't get me wrong, I do love what he is trying to do, I just don't like his personality. And that shit at the Oscars saying "Shame on you, Mr. Bush" was totally out of place. Hey, I hate Bush too, but I don't turn on the Oscars to watch some punk ass talk about his political views. Fuck politics. Also, it always pisses me off when I see some white dude saying how most people are bad... motherfucker should take a look in the mirror.

[The Mask]

I just saw it tonight. It was good except the asshole 3 rows ahead of us was smoking the whole time. Also people did a standing ovation to this movie so I yelled out "who the hell are you clapping to" which got a laugh and ended the clapping

I demand a bag of popcorn as royalties.

[The CyNick]

Michael Moore pisses me off. When I saw Bowling for Columbine, I felt like Moore was talking to viewers as if they didn't know shit. Though I like his message and plan on seeing Farenheit, I still don't like that guy. But don't get me wrong, I do love what he is trying to do, I just don't like his personality. And that shit at the Oscars saying "Shame on you, Mr. Bush" was totally out of place. Hey, I hate Bush too, but I don't turn on the Oscars to watch some punk ass talk about his political views. Fuck politics. Also, it always pisses me off when I see some white dude saying how most people are bad... motherfucker should take a look in the mirror.

I thyink Moore comes off as a bit of an ass sometimes, but I would say thats because he's had to deal with the American media who does whatever they can to shut people like him up (you know guys who tell the truth about Bush and his agenda).

In terms of the Oscars, at that time the right was using every public gathering as a forum to credit Bush and "unify" the country against terrorism. If you recall at that time, there was no opposing voice nobody had the balls to speak up against Bush and co. So I give credit to Moore for using a public gathering where a lrge portion of the country would be watching TV to speak up.

Freedom of Speech is just that, and I would tend to argue that a political view that will save thousands of American lives is more important than handing out gold statues to millionaires.

[Kane Knight]

Well this is SOME revelation!!!
Why?

He said it twice on Leno alone. he even defended some criticism he got for his "Payback's a bitch!" comments regarding 9-11/Iraq.

Of course, if you think that the people who orchestrated 9-11 were Iraqi, then you're a moron. No number of large words can fix the blatant stupidity in that statement.

[YOUR Hero]

Moore has to dumb his message down to get it across. Anyone that says he makes you feel stupid should feel proud of themselves. Proud they aren't so ignorant that they understand things clearer than the average person.

[BCWWF]

Michael Moore knows that probably over 50% of the people who know who he is hate him, but he is making that sacrafice to get his message across. So frankly, you people hating the man for any reason at all, really doesn't matter.

[Kane Knight]

Hearing all these pussy Republicans bawl about Michael Moore when they control so much of the media is reason enough to be a Moore fan, whether or not you like or agree with what he says.

[PapaGeorgio]

I just got back from seeing the movie. Now I enjoy to watch much of Michael Moores work from Awful Truth, Roger & Me and even his books. To me this movie seemed like his book "Dude, Where's my country?" turned into an updated movie. If you keep yourself updated with news and read a few liberal books here and there nothing all that new is being presented here. I am a huge Michael Moore fan, don't get me wrong, but for Farenheit 9/11 I was disapointed. It wasn't really the hype, it had some play I suppose. I can see people liking this movie and I think people should go see it, if it is just to see the different side. I left the theater with an overall meh feeling towards the movie. The Big One still takes the cake for me.

[AlphaBean]

I think the Government should enlist Michael Moore to make films for them.

Then maybe we can finally eliminate the Jews.

[BCWWF]

I agree with PapaGeorgio about it being kind of an updated "Dude, Wheres my Country?"

I was aware of a lot of the news events they talked about already, but still a great movie.

[Favre4Ever]

Heres the only thing that changed my vote from Bush to Kerry.

The Bush Admin. hasn't just been protesting the movie. They've tried to shut it DOWN. Not let it even get out. And in doing that, the went against every act of free speech ive stood up for. they proved they werent american. Bush, your done man. Your DONE.

[Boomer]

Saw it. Meh. Politics. Was good though. BFC was better.

[road doggy dogg]

I was gonna go see this tonight, but my plans got jarbled up so we're gonna see it another time. Looks pritty hot though (PUN INTENDED), and I'm not usually big on all this political stuff

[Vega]

Saw it July 4th. Pretty good. LOL @ the end.

[BlackRavyyn]

<font color=lightgreen>Saw it last week with a friend and we laughed at the antics of Bush. I never saw the trailer so I was glad to have missed that line cause it's gold. And the ending is funny too, now that line I have seen on a TV show once. I can't remember which talk show, but they showed that clip for humor...

I think everyone should see it. It opens your eyes about all that is going on behind the scenes and gives you a different slant that you don't see from the news channels (FOX anyone?). As for the books, I bought Stupid White Men and then I am going to purchase Dude Where's my Country later on when I finish this one...:y:</font>

[LK]

I saw it on Saturday and it was a great film. LOL when Bush said "I call upon all nations to help stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. Now watch this drive."

[The Lone Drinker]

After seeing Michael Moore's newest film a few weeks ago, I learned another important lesson in life that I added to the other things I learned after 21 years of being on this earth:

1. Never get into a fist fight with Mike Tyson.

2. Never play a one-on-one basketball game with Michael Jordan.

3. Never agree to a rap duel with Eminem.

4. If you can't sing and you know this, don't try out for American Idol so you can get verbally abused by Simon. There are others way you can get 5 minutes of fame.

5. Don't ever argue politics with Michael Moore. ;)

BTW: I am still voting for President Bush. Because if he wins, Dana Carvey may do brief cameos on Saturday Night Live doing his famous impression of Papa Bush which has made me laugh since I was a kid. :D

Now it is true that I am an ultra-conservative. At least I was.

Granted, over the years I have changed some of my views to be more liberal such as abortion, gun control and yes, even the war in Iraq which I originally supported.

But after watching Michael Moore's film I saw that I was wrong.

I also am against the draft as well and any recruiters strong arming young people into joining. Thank goodness I look like Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket. I am sure most recruiters would be scared if they saw me walking into Walmart. ;)

Well, not really. But I do have dyslexia and A. D. D. and a few other learning disabilities which would hopefully keep me from ever being drafted.

Or heck, I'd just tell them I was gay and show them my collection of musical soundtracks and all of my Oz episodes I have taped over the years. ;)

Okay, okay enough cheesy jokes. Back on topic.

Anyway, these days.........I'd label myself as being in the "middle of the road" and fall under the "undecided" category when it comes to the election this year. I'll have to listen to the debates between President George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry before I finally decide.

Now when you are undecided, you tend to be pretty popular and get more attention then anyone because both sides try to sell you the same thing.

But even though I am all about the elephant for the most part, I ALWAYS give each side a fair listen.

That is one of my few great characteristics. I should be a judge.

That is why I went and saw Moore's film. To be fair. And you know what? He presents a very strong argument. He is a smart man. [Attacking him for his weight is a cheap shot too.]

Like I said, it was his film and seeing the clips from Iraq and the actual facts that made me realize that the war in Iraq was wrong.

It was "Bowling for Columbine" that now makes me support gun-control 100%.

I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for Michael Moore.

I think America is a great country, but it also has a lot of problems too and it needs to be cleaned up badly.

Okay, enough sucking up to Michael Moore.....

Now it's time to be fair and listen to what the conservatives have to say in response.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com

Check that one out.

When this movie comes out, if it is playing here in my hometown...I'll go and see it.

But if anyone could get me to be more liberal and talk me into voting for Senator John Kerry, it's Michael Moore.

Because twice now he has gotten me to change my views on things. Views I have had for ages but once I saw clips and saw the facts and such and heard a very strong argument, there was nothing I could say in response to defend my views on Gun-control and the war in Iraq of course.

But as I said, I am still undecided. Moore's movies have made me more open-minded towards the issues of the world but I am probably still more Conservative then Liberal.