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Old 05-16-2004, 09:15 PM   #1
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Farenheit 911
Has anyone heard if this was going to be released in any way shape or form?

If it is, would you want to see it?

I know when Bowling for Columbine came out it was very polarizing, as Moore tends to be. I hope it gets released.
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Old 05-16-2004, 09:16 PM   #2
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Of course it is. I thought the doubt over its release was just a stunt?

I'm not that eager to see it.
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Old 05-16-2004, 09:21 PM   #3
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Well Disney holds the rights, and states it wasn't going to allow it's release. I've since lost track of what's going on with it.
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Old 05-17-2004, 01:34 PM   #4
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If you're wondering about the movie you gotta read this: http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/#2

Moore: Bush Administration Is Trying To Ban My Film


Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has accused President George W. Bush's government of trying to thwart the creation and release of his documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. The Bowling For Columbine director told an audience at the Cannes Film Festival that the President's team feared the effect of the film - which exposes the links between the Bush and Bin Laden families - would spell disaster for the Republican party in the upcoming elections. Moore - who famously cried, 'Shame on you Mr Bush' as he received his Oscar in 2002 - is now hoping Miramax bosses Bob and Harvey Weinstein will distribute the film after Disney refused to. According to Moore, "someone connected to the White House, a top Republican" has put pressure on film companies not to release the movie. Moore explains, "The potential for this film to have an impact on the election was much larger than they thought. It is certainly something the Bush administration does not want people to see."
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Well regardless of this video or not, I'm still not voting for him to be re elected.
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Didn't Moore reach a deal with Miramax?
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Old 05-17-2004, 05:44 PM   #7
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Disney reached a deal with Miramax where Miramax would buy back the rights to the movie, and could sell it to another company to be distributed, like Lions Gate or something.

The movie is set for a July 2 release date for now.
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Its premiering at Cannes sometime this week or something
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Old 05-17-2004, 06:01 PM   #9
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Old 05-17-2004, 06:03 PM   #10
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Farenheit 451?
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It's a play on the name of Farenheit 451, but using 9/11 aka the date of the September 11th attacks
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Moore can eat a big plate of crap.
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Old 05-17-2004, 09:30 PM   #13
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Moore can eat a big plate of crap.
Have you seen him lately? I thionk he has eaten quite a few. The last pic i saw of him was disgusting. You know how a baby has little rolls of flesh at the wrists and the loses it later? HE STILL HAS THEM!

It was widely proven that Bowling....... had tons of false crap in the movie. I wonder how much of this one will be complete horse****?
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Old 05-18-2004, 02:26 AM   #14
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Moore can eat a big plate of crap.

I agree but I give credit where it is due. The film was well-made and interesting, IMO.
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:07 AM   #15
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Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:10 AM   #16
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Michael Moore is the man, stfu.
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:17 AM   #17
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Michael Moore is the man, stfu.
If you consider a lying fat bastard who jumps on the bandwagon for everything the man, then yeah, he's the man.
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Old 05-18-2004, 10:23 AM   #18
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bah, i think some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to. don't forget that part of his role is to entertain and generate interest as well putting forth arguements and ideas that would support his point of view. people might take issue with his delivery but imo the points raised are still very importatnt and worth listening to. i will probably check out his movie and considering the political climate of the states, it's a very gutsy move to make a movie of that nature.
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I’m interested in seeing the footage of human rights abuses by Coalition forces that are reported to be featured in this film. The very fact that it includes footage of troops engaged in battle and the aftermath of their actions is something which I’m sure will sway votes in America.

The other thing I’m looking forward to seeing is the Bush/Bin Laden/Saud finance investigation. I’m wondering if Moore has uncovered anything more explosive than the investigations by Greg Palast.
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Moore isn't "the man" really.

Like I guess he is using his "fame" as a platform to get his message across, but a lot of times he is not telling us things that we don't already know.

I saw this one segment of his, I think it was from his TV show from a few years back, and it was showing how there is racial profiling (especially towards blacks) by police in a lot of the U.S.

Gee thanks, Mike, that whole Rodney King thing didn't do it for me, so it was really necessary for you to go mock a bunch of on-duty police officers, many of whom aren't racist. Oh, and I love how he "informs" us of all these tragic flaws in society, but doesn't do shit about it.

Whatever. His movies are interesting I guess, but he is a douchebag.
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I watched Bowling For Columbine, and it is interesting and pretty entertaining, but after doing research and seeing how he took stuff out of context and edited his footage really makes me lose respect for him as a film maker. He's a dick. He might have the message, but he sure as hell doesn't have the correct way of doing it.
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da_king - you said that "some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to". What message and how is it valid? Anyone can lie and shape the truth to meet their agenda.
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Old 05-18-2004, 01:40 PM   #23
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I don't have anything against him but I have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.
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Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Interesting....
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Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Except that a lot of these claims have been debunked already.

But why let that people stop from making claims?
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Except that a lot of these claims have been debunked already.
Which ones and by who and where?

Just curious, seems pretty good stuff against moore, would like to see the "other side".
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Moore isn't "the man" really.

Like I guess he is using his "fame" as a platform to get his message across, but a lot of times he is not telling us things that we don't already know.

I saw this one segment of his, I think it was from his TV show from a few years back, and it was showing how there is racial profiling (especially towards blacks) by police in a lot of the U.S.

Gee thanks, Mike, that whole Rodney King thing didn't do it for me, so it was really necessary for you to go mock a bunch of on-duty police officers, many of whom aren't racist. Oh, and I love how he "informs" us of all these tragic flaws in society, but doesn't do shit about it.

Whatever. His movies are interesting I guess, but he is a douchebag.


He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.
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He makes his movies to get a point across.

If you were arguing for something, obviously you would only say things that would help your cause. You would not play both sides of the fence. If you are bashing him because he is biased towards his own opinions, that is retarded.
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BTW, the movie got a 15-25 MINUTE standing ovation at the Cannes film festival last night, where it premiered. People were saying it was the loudest, longest ovation they have ever witnessed.
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Moore had some errors in Bowling that left him open for a lot of criticism. But most of the points he made stand.

He edited speeches What was he supposed to do? Show the whole ten minutes of Heston talking between I said to the mayor....dont come here we're already here? It didnt change the meaning of what he said. He said that to the mayor and thats what Moore put in the film. Its retarded to put in criticisms like that.

And the kid who shot that little girl isnt the nicest person in the world, and he didnt come from the greatest family. Well no shit, I expected him to be Bill Gates kid and have had the best upbringing that money could buy. Most of the criticism is retarded and completely misses the points being made. If guns werent so easily availible that kid wouldnt have had the gun, if his mum didnt have to work a job and never get to see her son then maybe he wouldnt be such a brat. You know I think theres even some research that says that kids who lose both parents in quick succession might...just might suffer because of it and they might act out

As far as his recent work the criticism he got for bowling where he did make a couple of mistakes has made him research his facts alot better. You only have to look at his last book "Dude Wheres My Country" and see how well sourced it is, in the back of the book everything is listed, every article, every report so that its simple for anyone to check up on his facts. And from what Ive seen and heard of Farenheit 9/11 its as well researched as hs last book and I havent heard anyone criticise his book for getting facts wrong.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ Thats Michaels response to all the criticism about Bowling aswell. From the bank scene, Hestons speech to the gun death figures:

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Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK
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That has nothing to do with the quality of the film though
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I often check out a movie site called joblo.com and the owner of the site attended the Cannes Festival and posted a review if anyone is interested.

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He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.
If there was no money to be made, you still think he'd be doing these?
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Which ones and by who and where?

Just curious, seems pretty good stuff against moore, would like to see the "other side".
Well, quite a bit of this was argued by our own Lamuella, when imboredisux brought up many of the same points in her own diatribe. I've seen "rebuttals" of sorts from other sites...Have to go look for them.

I'll also note that Moore's books are well-researched and well sourced. While I don't always think he's totally right, totally on the level (If you get through Dude, Where's My Country? and don't see him as rather slanted, you're a fool *), or covers everything when coming to his conclusions, he's still a very strong writer.

* Yeah, VEL, this isn't a shot at you, as you've never made the argument.
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Yeah, it's no good unless it gets an ovation in the trailer park film festival...
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If there was no money to be made, you still think he'd be doing these?
Well, I'd actually guess so. The guy did it for years before he really got serious recognition for it.

However COMMA, I don't know Mike personally.

Frankly, I'm not sure I would, either.
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:24 PM   #39
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He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.
So, he is fat. I win.
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:33 PM   #40
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Yeah, it's no good unless it gets an ovation in the trailer park film festival...
I dunno, a report I read is it was a largely french crowd that was also anti-us, although I'm not sure how the festivle works, I would have thought the crowd would have been a lot of non-french or invites.
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