Bigotry on Raw

[jindrak]

I am sure a lot of you guys saw the Orton/Benjamin confrontation on Raw. When Orton said "you people", you could hear the crowd in awe because it was a rather racist remark. I remember Evolution had previously done this to Booker T. Heck, I remember Vince calling Booker T some type of ancient dinosaur name that was construed as being a racist remark. Also, a few weeks back, Coach did the whole Oriental stereotype thing with Tajiri (Chinese food). With JBL, and WWE's past history with bigotry not being punished, do you think something should be done? I am curious as to what the networks had to say. Using bigotry is a cheap way to get heat, but hopefully it isn't the prevalent part of a storyline. Just want to know what you guys think. BTW, this discussion is argued by Wade Keller of PWtorch.com, so check it out if your interested.

[Savio]

Yeah I was shocked but I don't think he meant to be racist...what was it meant as?

[Fox]

No, I'm pretty sure he meant it to be racist.

The WWE is a pretty ****ed up place. You've got Randy and Triple H referring to Shelton Benjamin and Booker T as "you people," then you've got every Asian wrestler using a sterotypical asian gimmick, you've got Kane raping women, and Triple H wearing more and more Nazi insignia every week.

[6to1]

vince is playing the race card again to get raitings

[Kane Knight]

He also referred to Benjamin as "uppitty." Usually, uppity comes right before "negro" or the less friendly version.

I think they're trying to come as close to racism as possible without overtly stating it, to get some heat without actually being truly offensive.

[Kane Knight]

By the way, the word was "Trogolodyte," Though I prolly have the spelling wrong.

It's not a dinosaur term. :p

[Nevermind]

I don't know why they need to touch upon racism. It's pretty uncalled for...

[Kane Knight]

Because they need sheap heat. Orton's losing people's interest (Thanks to their massive overhyping), Triple H is boring, the Naitch is about 50 years past his prime (He was the man in the 30s tho), Batista's just...:|

Just like La Resistance, the Un-Americans, etc., they chose the low road for cheap heat instead of trying to come up with good storylines.

[Corkscrewed]

WWE has never been one to be keen on new ideas. I mean, when you're still taking shots at the French over and over and over again, it's pretty damn ignorant. Occassional shots at the French are fine, though; just don't put it on a neverending loop.

[Nevermind]

I'm not offended by it myself, but I don't think issues such as racism belong in WWE. I understand that it's used to form cheap heat, but that shows a lack of skill from the writing standpoint. The same can be said for the Anti-American angles. Now I don't mind La Resistance as they're used more of a comedy act these days and I like that, but they had the Hart Foundation, Doug Funas and Phillip Lofan, the UnAmericans, closely followed La Resistance, and even more recently they were going to have Hirohito as seeking revenge on Americans for World War II.

There's too much of it, you know? They need to explore other paths...

As for racism, I still see no need for it, but if you're going to use it in a way that it actually plays a part in the storyline, and not just for shock value, then okay...but to a point. I don't think the WWE are racist, either. I'm sure Benjamin and Booker wouldn't go through with it if they felt they were actually being discriminated. But they need to cut back on the use of politics, etc. in their storylines...

[Kane Knight]

Suckers like you get very angry, and that is the point. Congratulations, you have been played by the WWE. Tune in next week.
It only works if he does tune in next week to boo the heel and cheer the face.

[The CyNick]

I agree, the WWE is using the race card as a way to gain interest in a feud between Orton and Benjamin (which BTW has never worked in the WWE). And I agree the WWE is trying to portray Benjamin as the face and Orton as the racist heel. If this was any other movie or TV show, the evil racist guy would lose, and the black guy who has faced predjudice will get revenge.

HOWEVER

In the land of the WWE there is no moral justice when it comes to race issues. The WWE went even further in the past with Triple H in his feud with Booker T leading to Wrestlemania XIX. I'm sure we all remember the comments HHH made, and in that story it looked like the only way to end the story was for HHH to get his in the end at the hands of Booker T (who would win the Championship in the process). Unfortunately not only did Booker T lose that match, but it was done in a way that made BT look totally inferior to HHH. And on top of that BT left the main event scene right after WM. So in essence the WWE told their fans that the white evil racist guy was superior to the black man (who was put in his place). Their was no moral justice, the racist guy won.

So I dont think there's any guarantee that Orton will lose this feud to finish the story properly. I can just as eaisly see history repeating itself and once again the WWE will tell the story that "those people" are not good enough to compete in a white man's world.

Beyond that its clear that Vince and the rest of the people on creative and some of the workers are racist. There are too many racial driven gimmicks and angles that illustrate that Vince probably has some racism, check that a lot of racism flowing through his viens.

What boggles my mind is that the WWE is a publically traded company and yet they allow this kind of stuff to happen on their TV. To me thats unaccpetable, but unfortunately just like people dont care that Vince does nothing to sstop his wrestlers from steroid abuse they dont care about this. Its just a product of the mainstream media not caring about wrestling and what goes on in the industry.

[Nevermind]

It's cheap heat because it's very easy to do. Any fool can spout off a racist remark, which makes this tactic cheap. There's no thinking or thought behind it. Also, it's used mostly as shock value, which in itself is a cheap ploy...

[Kamchadal.]

As long as the WWE does not cross the line, I see no problem. Wrestling, in general, has played upon stereotypes for years. Back during the cold war, wrestling would take someone from Bumf**k Texas, give him a set of red tights, a bad accent and place him as a Russian Heel. They have historically portrayed Asians as a bowing, smiling, group that somehow are always experts in the martial arts. Hell, wrestling makes fun of everyone and places stereotypes on everyone, they equally offend all. Is everyone from Arkansas like the Godwinns?? (well, maybe that was a bad example) :D

[Savio]

What did HHH say to booker t?

[Nark Order]

They've used stereotypes to fuel half of the gimmicks they've ever televised... No different here.

And nobody has brought up the use of Eugene yet....

[Nark Order]

What did HHH say to booker t?

He told Book "Get me a towel" after Booker just hit up on HHH with a fat promo. Cheap way to avoid creativity and to generate heat.

I still can't believe they did that. Slavery really isn't somethin to be joking about...

[PureHatred]

He also commented on Booker's 'nappy' hair and at one point told him to 'come out and dance for me, boy.'

[Batsu]

The WWE went even further in the past with Triple H in his feud with Booker T leading to Wrestlemania XIX. I'm sure we all remember the comments HHH made, and in that story it looked like the only way to end the story was for HHH to get his in the end at the hands of Booker T (who would win the Championship in the process). Unfortunately not only did Booker T lose that match, but it was done in a way that made BT look totally inferior to HHH. And on top of that BT left the main event scene right after WM. So in essence the WWE told their fans that the white evil racist guy was superior to the black man (who was put in his place). Their was no moral justice, the racist guy won.

Yep. Worst feud ever. Had Booker won, it would have been worth it. But nope. That was also HHH's worst period on TV, IMO...even more so than the hog-tying days.

[CBright7831]

I wonder who came up with all of that shit. Triple H, Vince, or someone else.

On a funny note: Triple H told Booker WCW was garbage, WITH RIC FLAIR (15 time WCW Champion) standing right next to him, and THE FORMER WCW BELT over his shoulder.

[Batsu]

Also, if you don't see this as cheap heat... then I don't know what to tell you. That's delusion at its best. A budding heel of Randy Orton's stature shouldn't even have to say that to get the people's interest. It did the job...but knowing WWE, there will be no comeuppance here.

This is the same lameness that they did with Teddy... I mean, Theodore Long before they shipped him to Smackdown, and Rodney Mack disappeared into virtual obscurity.

[Kane Knight]

They've used stereotypes to fuel half of the gimmicks they've ever televised... No different here.

And nobody has brought up the use of Eugene yet....
You musta missed the like, 10 threads.

[Batsu]

You musta missed the like, 10 threads.

Yep. The day after Eugene was introduced, there were many threads expressing concern over his portrayal as a mentally challenged wrestler.

But now, they've toned it down in a manner, that seems funny...the people seem to like him for now.

[Kane Knight]

Also, I'll point out there's a difference between a stereotype and a slur. Sometimes, that line's pretty fine.

On the other hand, it's not like he flat-out called Benjamin an "uppitty nig</>ger."

[Kane Knight]

Yep. The day after Eugene was introduced, there were many threads expressing concern over his portrayal as a mentally challenged wrestler.

But now, they've toned it down in a manner, that seems funny...the people seem to like him for now.
Because of the way they're doing it.

You know, it's still a little dodgy, but I was expecting much worse from the WWE. Is Eugene distasteful? Perhaps. They've pushed it with a couple of things, but they've gone out of their way to make him look like a capable wrestler in the ring, even if he's not all that bright out of the ring.

[Fox]

Know what I'd like to see? Bring in a heel wrestler portraying one of the abusive gaurds in Al Qaeda. Y'know, maybe even bring back Tiger Ali Singh and have the guy beat the shit out of him, stuff him in a body bag, and take a picture with a huge smile and a big thumbs up.

Of course, that will never happen. America is the land of the true and the just! Everyone else is a heel, and America is the #1 Babyface.

[Mr. JL]

Of course, that will never happen. America is the land of the true and the just! Everyone else is a heel, and America is the #1 Babyface.
Unless you have a character who looks, acts, believes, and portrays himself as the taller version of the President of the United States of America.:shifty:Then you have a heel on your hands.

[Flight 411]

I really doubt the HHH logo is meant to be a nazi symbol considering he has ric flair (a JEW) by his side these days.

[Kane Knight]

I really doubt the HHH logo is meant to be a nazi symbol considering he has ric flair (a JEW) by his side these days.
Dunno. He's gone beyond JUST the iron cross now. It's no longer as simple a coincidence as before, because he's now using that eagle, too.

[CBright7831]

Flair's jewish?

Hmmm, you learn something new everyday, I guess.

[El Santo]

Of course, that will never happen. America is the land of the true and the just! Everyone else is a heel, and America is the #1 Babyface.

Yup. Like Kurt Angle.

Wait a minute...

[Kane Knight]

Know what I'd like to see? Bring in a heel wrestler portraying one of the abusive gaurds in Al Qaeda. Y'know, maybe even bring back Tiger Ali Singh and have the guy beat the shit out of him, stuff him in a body bag, and take a picture with a huge smile and a big thumbs up.

Of course, that will never happen. America is the land of the true and the just! Everyone else is a heel, and America is the #1 Babyface.
Well, the best way to appeal to the lowest common denomenator is to say that the place they're living in is the best.

But seriously, Rene bringing up the recent incidents overseas was going too far. If I want to hear about the war, there are like 50 news channels I can go to. I don't turn on wrestling to see people say America deserved it anymore than I do to see people bash the french or arabs. This shit doesn't sit well with me, and issn't the sort of thing that make me want to buy a pay per view or merch from them. Hell, it makes me want to watch their other programming all the less.

[Nevermind]

I guess you could say WWE are making it too "real", which isn't what it's all about...

[The Show Off]

I have no problem with rasism in the WWE, art is a reflection of society, WWE is the art of wrestling and acting and in the world there is a lot of racisim out there. The more we hind the fact that people are racist, the more we're going to have a problem. People need to throw there cards on the table and not be afarid to use racial slurs so that perhaps some of this elitist crap will come to an end. We're all humans and the more we dodge the fact that people are racist the worse the bigotry will get. People just have to be honest rather then walking on egg shells. The problem with racists is that most of them aren't vocal, if people were just more honest perhaps we could solve this problem.

But then again comming from a white kid from the suburbs I guess you could take waht I say with a grain of salt, because I love in a town where 99% of the population is caucasions...

[Nevermind]

I strongly disagree. I don't think it's that we're trying to pretend racists don't exist, because we're all very aware that they do. But it doesn't belong in a wrestling ring, that's all.

Also, WWE is of course a family show, so using racial slurs wouldn't go down too well...

[Nacho Man]

the Naitch is about 50 years past his prime (He was the man in the 30s tho),

lol, credit where it's due, that was funny.

[6to1]

Flair's jewish?

Hmmm, you learn something new everyday, I guess.
yea that was a suprise to me too

[Kane Knight]

I have no problem with rasism in the WWE, art is a reflection of society, WWE is the art of wrestling and acting and in the world there is a lot of racisim out there. The more we hind the fact that people are racist, the more we're going to have a problem. People need to throw there cards on the table and not be afarid to use racial slurs so that perhaps some of this elitist crap will come to an end. We're all humans and the more we dodge the fact that people are racist the worse the bigotry will get. People just have to be honest rather then walking on egg shells. The problem with racists is that most of them aren't vocal, if people were just more honest perhaps we could solve this problem.

But then again comming from a white kid from the suburbs I guess you could take waht I say with a grain of salt, because I love in a town where 99% of the population is caucasions...
There's a difference between "Let's pretend racism doesn't exist!" and "This has no place in pro wrestling."

This isn't high culture, art, or whatever. This is cheap entertainment. A low-brow ballet with a bunch of sweaty guys grabbing each other for a title. People don't tune in to see a reflection of modern culture in a professional sport environment. It's athleticism and entertainment and some cheap fun. People tune in to see disbelief suspended and such.

How often, I must ask, does wrestling really reflect real life anyways? Do you often feel the burden of being a Super-Hero In Training? Do you frequently get beat up by an abusive boss/manager? Are there stables in your workplace?Does being a good rapper make you a better athelete?

[Evolution]

Stables in the work place, yes. At where I used to work, everyone had their own cliques. Thats all stables are. A bunch of people that hang out together and say "We're not talking to them", but in the World of Wrestling and Entertainment, they can say "We're not talking to them, but we are beating the crap out of them, WOOOOOOO!" erm, I mean, never mind.

[Kane Knight]

A stable is generally more than a bunch of people hanging out together at work.

[Deceit]

I briefly scanned through this thread, so forgive me if it was already stated, but i'm surprised no one has said anything about that swatsika sign that was shown?

*EDITED: A tremendous mistake in my post has been found and corrected. Thank you and have a splendid day.

[Kane Knight]

Well, if you only skimmed the thread, how do you know it wasn't talked about much?

Plus, there was a thread on it...

Even had someone make a really shitty screensot of it.

http://tpww.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1547

[Deceit]

Please forgive me for my shameful mistake in my previous post. Your sheer intelligence has pointed out my error in my post. Please forgive my typo and accept my apology so you may troll other threads.

I am DEEPLY apologetic for this matter.

EDIT: Thank you Kane Knight. I did not believe I had to read every thread until I found the proper one with the discussion of the swastika. The discussion has been clearly hidden under the topic "Stupid Question...". My stupid question to you is, how was I supposed to know that the swastika discussion was under "Stupid Question.."? Sorry for not being an eTroll on the TPWW.Net Forums.

[Kane Knight]

Wow. If you're gonna heap on the sarcasm, try and make sure you're not a stupid shit first. :p

[Kane Knight]

Furthermore, on "art reflects life..."

Most people, when people start liking them, don't become nicer people. Just because you win employee of the month doesn't make you more likable, or make most people suddenly think you're a better worker, whether you won it by hard work or stuffing the ballot box.

More people liking you just means you're a more popular asshole :)

[Deceit]

You never cease to amaze me.

What "stupid shit" was said? Stop trying so hard to be an eThug. You still haven't answered my question. I'd like an answer.

Thank you in advance.
Your pal,
Shane

[Kane Knight]

E-thug?

Yeah, I'm really representing my turf...:roll:

Fu</>cking moron.

[Kane Knight]

Oh, and I didn't say that stupid shit was said, I said that you were a stupid shit.

Literacy is a boon on the internet.

[Deceit]

Jesus, do you ever leave this website?

And yep, you're such an internet badass. Blinded by your own idiocy. A good 60% of the time, all seem to do is pick out the stupidest, most retarded shit in people's posts. Apparently, you have nothing better to do with your time. I asked a question, not a request to have a retarded typo pointed out with other non-contributional bs. Honestly, grow up. On top of that, insults? Wow, just wow, man.

I've still yet to receive an answer from my question that started this whole "iBattle". Please refer to my post above, if you've forgotten.

Actually, save yourself the trouble, don't even respond. You're just wasting my time over something completely retarded. I suppose that doesn't matter. You sure seem to have plenty of more free time than I do.

[Kane Knight]

:lol: I'm not wasting your time. You are, retard.

Internet badass? Yeah, I think of myself as a badass all the time for trashing halfwits like yourself. considering it's the equivalent of beating Chris Reeve in a wrestling match, I really feel big and bad for it. Riiiiiiiiight. :roll:

You asked a question that was not related to my statement, but used it in quotes. This indicated to me that you might be confused, that you might think I meant you said some stupid shit as opposed to you being a stupid shit. We're not talking about a typo, we're talking about a pretty big difference in the direction of a statement. One would indicate I believe you said something stupid. THe other indicates I believe (for some reason), that you are stupid. A notion you're yet to really disprove.

Of course, it's pretty idiotic to say, "well, I didn't really read this thread, but I'm surprised that this hasn't been brought up much," when you've already professed that you didn't pay enough attention to tell. That's a different story.

You're more an idiot for taking a perceived insult and trying to be all witty and sarcastic in your little comebacks. Not to mention, editing the dumbest of your statements out. :) You're an idiot for questioning the lack of a presence in something you didn't read.

Stupid question to respond to your stupid question, by the way (Deepest apologies, but usually, such questions, when asked in a context of sarcasm, are ignored), if you were surprised at the lack of discussion on a matter, why not try using that "search" feature? I mean, it would have taken less time to search on Swastika and see if there were any hits in the wrestling forum than to make a post asking why there wasn't a major mention (in a thread on another subject) when you were too lazy to even read...

Oddly enough, you seem to have nothing better to do but to argue with me, even though you clearly are too busy (or maybe lack the requisite skills) to cope with the clearly daunting task of reading 40-ish posts (Five whole minutes out of your life...Oh no...) to determine the actual content. That's the sort of bullshit that usually comes from a person who's not too busy, but too lazy and wants someone else to do his work for him.

But yeah. go on with the thug and bully refs. I'm sure your Pop psych 101 class was informative and will serve you well in either hostage negotiation or the fast food industry.

[c4g2]

KK in his 3626546452th battle against another troll... :|

[Deceit]

:lol: I'm not wasting your time. You are, retard.

Internet badass? Yeah, I think of myself as a badass all the time for trashing halfwits like yourself. considering it's the equivalent of beating Chris Reeve in a wrestling match, I really feel big and bad for it. Riiiiiiiiight. :roll:

You asked a question that was not related to my statement, but used it in quotes. This indicated to me that you might be confused, that you might think I meant you said some stupid shit as opposed to you being a stupid shit. We're not talking about a typo, we're talking about a pretty big difference in the direction of a statement. One would indicate I believe you said something stupid. THe other indicates I believe (for some reason), that you are stupid. A notion you're yet to really disprove.

Of course, it's pretty idiotic to say, "well, I didn't really read this thread, but I'm surprised that this hasn't been brought up much," when you've already professed that you didn't pay enough attention to tell. That's a different story.

You're more an idiot for taking a perceived insult and trying to be all witty and sarcastic in your little comebacks. Not to mention, editing the dumbest of your statements out. :) You're an idiot for questioning the lack of a presence in something you didn't read.

Stupid question to respond to your stupid question, by the way (Deepest apologies, but usually, such questions, when asked in a context of sarcasm, are ignored), if you were surprised at the lack of discussion on a matter, why not try using that "search" feature? I mean, it would have taken less time to search on Swastika and see if there were any hits in the wrestling forum than to make a post asking why there wasn't a major mention (in a thread on another subject) when you were too lazy to even read...

Oddly enough, you seem to have nothing better to do but to argue with me, even though you clearly are too busy (or maybe lack the requisite skills) to cope with the clearly daunting task of reading 40-ish posts (Five whole minutes out of your life...Oh no...) to determine the actual content. That's the sort of bullshit that usually comes from a person who's not too busy, but too lazy and wants someone else to do his work for him.

But yeah. go on with the thug and bully refs. I'm sure your Pop psych 101 class was informative and will serve you well in either hostage negotiation or the fast food industry.

Haha, thanks for solidifying pretty much everything I stated.

Trashing halfwits? Son, all you've done is throw insults like you're some badass and point out stupid mistakes in people's posts. Which reverts back to one of my original statments about YOU being a troll. That pretty much fits the description perfectly, buddy.

Honestly, was my post that demeaning for you to make such an ordeal about it? It was a typo/worded wrongly, and i'm PRETTTY sure people got the jist of what I meant. Sorry for not being 100% perfect (hence the EDIT button, but apparently using the EDIT button is disallowed as well).

Oh, alright. Thank you for finally addressing my question. So I must do a search before I ask a statement where a disucussion of a related topic is already going on? Christ, get off your high horse.

Heh, I come on this website to read about wrestling posts primarily. Doing so, I'm usually in a rush to find out results, or I just want to see the latest news, or hell if it's during my lunch break at work (such as now). I'm sorry, but I don't possess the amount of time that you apparently have to sit here and post 100 posts a day and to troll over retarded mistakes, or even start a "flame war" over it. It's really laughable ;) Maybe next time just shutting your mouth will do yourself and someone else the favor of not having to deal with your (i'll take it from you, because it surely applies) half-witted comebacks and meaningless insults.

For someone who takes the tpww.net forums so seriously, I think you even need to put down the keyboard and step back.

As for c4g2, you apparently don't even know what a forum troll is, I suggest you scroll up in my post and enlighten yourself, troll.

Actually, hey guys, i've done a quick 25.43 second research for you: http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp

Thanks for playing, have a great day :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Back to reading what I come here to read.

EDIT: Oh no! Please do not give me negative rep :( :( :( Whatever shall I do if my precious internet reputation is shattered by a troll himself :(. Holy shit, you take these forums WAY too seriously :lol: :lol:

[Kane Knight]

Yes, I'm a troll. You've sure pegged me.

:roll:

Seriously, do you enjoy making an ass out of yourself, or are you really that clueless?

[tucsonspeed6]

Both KK and deceit03 have been labeled as trolls. Let's evaluate the situation.

KK has over 50,000 posts and a reputation of over 15,000. I have personally read many of his posts and many of them are very wise and informative, and he almost always has evidence to back his claims.

deceit03 has 109 posts and somewhere above 10 reps. He apparently has a nasty habit of not reading threads that he has an opinion on, and he claims that it's because he doesn't have enough time. Yet he still has the time to make a post as lengthy as this:

Haha, thanks for solidifying pretty much everything I stated.

Trashing halfwits? Son, all you've done is throw insults like you're some badass and point out stupid mistakes in people's posts. Which reverts back to one of my original statments about YOU being a troll. That pretty much fits the description perfectly, buddy.

Honestly, was my post that demeaning for you to make such an ordeal about it? It was a typo/worded wrongly, and i'm PRETTTY sure people got the jist of what I meant. Sorry for not being 100% perfect (hence the EDIT button, but apparently using the EDIT button is disallowed as well).

Oh, alright. Thank you for finally addressing my question. So I must do a search before I ask a statement where a disucussion of a related topic is already going on? Christ, get off your high horse.

Heh, I come on this website to read about wrestling posts primarily. Doing so, I'm usually in a rush to find out results, or I just want to see the latest news, or hell if it's during my lunch break at work (such as now). I'm sorry, but I don't possess the amount of time that you apparently have to sit here and post 100 posts a day and to troll over retarded mistakes, or even start a "flame war" over it. It's really laughable Maybe next time just shutting your mouth will do yourself and someone else the favor of not having to deal with your (i'll take it from you, because it surely applies) half-witted comebacks and meaningless insults.

For someone who takes the tpww.net forums so seriously, I think you even need to put down the keyboard and step back.

As for c4g2, you apparently don't even know what a forum troll is, I suggest you scroll up in my post and enlighten yourself, troll.

Actually, hey guys, i've done a quick 25.43 second research for you: http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp

Thanks for playing, have a great day

Back to reading what I come here to read.

EDIT: Oh no! Please do not give me negative rep Whatever shall I do if my precious internet reputation is shattered by a troll himself . Holy shit, you take these forums WAY too seriously

I would have checked his other 100 posts, but......I'm on my lunch break and don't seem to have the time! :shifty:

Therefore, I'm going to make the assumtion that he hasn't said anything intelligent, just like he made the assumption that nobody has ever mentioned the swastika sign here.

After balancing the equasion, I have found the answer. deceit03 is the troll, and we should give super powers to Agent Smith to equalize the threat of Neo.

[Deceit]

KK, in valliant efforts to defend yourself, you only come out stupider and stupider with every post. Thanks for showing me how big of a tool you really are. Keep pressing that F5 button on the forums, buddy.

Tucscon, thank you for clearing that up. I was not aware that having 50,000 posts on a forum will rid you of being a troll. What does informative information and evidence have to do with trolling a forum? You sure have your definitions mixed up, and I suggest you click the link I have created for you tools. Feel free to check my previous posts. I'm sure my internet reputation will be sufficient for you. As I said before, I quickly browsed the thread, and thought i'd bring it up. I wasn't aware that the "Stupid Question" thread was going to contain anything about Nazi's, WWE, Sable, or Michael Jackson.

Some people on this forum seem to have a really hard time distinguishing real life from a forum. It's either taken too seriously, or you guys think this is "real life". Back to my original statement, grow up, stop being trolls--oh wait, i've only posted here 100 times. I suppose I'm a troll as well. I've been reading this website for over 3 years and i've even submitted information and news of my own, and it has been posted.

Either way, i'm done with this thread. Come back with more "DO U ENJOYZ BEING STUIPID CUS U ARE BEING STUPDIER AND STUPID AND CLUELESS". You're only making yourself look like a fool with your "halfwitted" rebuttals. What a waste of time.

[Kane Knight]

:lol: Yes, I'm the one coming across as a tool.

Denial is a funny thing sometimes. :yes:

[Kane Knight]

Now, let's look atyour internet troll statement:

From the website you linked:

An "Internet troll" or a "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums.

I suppose this fits in well with your conspiracy theory that I'm the one wasting your time, somehow magically forcing you to reply, but realisticially, how often do I sow discord here? Usually only when an idiot rears his ugly head. I've added more than you ever will, so that theory's been shot down (except in your little fantasy world, where you have a life).


He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Change that to "tries to question why you would question the abscence of something without reading," and you've got me marked.

The problem is, I asked something pretty common sense.

Oh I see...

While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate science.

On top of that, a troll asks common sense questions to show otherwise brilliant and active people up. He often uses logic to make you look foolish, which is anything but a case of the Emperor's new clothes. You are smart, you are smart, keep reaffirming your case.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

I can see where you'd see paranoia here. On the other hand, it's mostly on your behalf. Yeah, because of a couple of posts, you decide I do nothing but stir dischord. :y: Good decision. Suddenly, I'm out to get you, manipulating you...

And to prove how brilliant you are, you argue with me (The so-called troll) and try and show me up by "proving" what I am. Of course, knowing you're dealing with a troll, it would have been the intelligent thing to ignore or dffuse the situation. You instead chose to exacerbate it by escalating the situation and then try and "reveal" my true nature. Your own link says:

[b] The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

Sounds like smart advice.

By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.

Of course, were I trolling, you have done just the opposite, and entrenched yourself in it.

Troll Message: An outrageous message posted to a message board, newsgroup or mailing list to bait people to answer.

As your own posts are outrageously stupid, I'd have to draw the conclusion that you're either A) A moron or B) attempting to troll yourself.

Either way, your argument is still massively weak. :)