who carried who?

[NormanSmiley]

Name a tag team where you feel one guy carried the other. Example bret carried jim or shawn carried marty. Discuss

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Owen carried Yoko. Not literally.

[NormanSmiley]

Would anyone say rick martel carried tito or were they about even?

[Heyman]

Would HBK and Jannetty count?

[NormanSmiley]

Given there are "I'm shawn,you're marty" t shirts available I would say so

[Shisen Kopf]

Would anyone say rick martel carried tito or were they about even?

Racist!

[Shisen Kopf]

Also, proper grammar please. It should be "Who carried whom". Please note for future reference.

[Maluco]

Titus is certainly carrying Young right now, Young had another chance to say something last night and did nothing once again.

Colossal Connection was very much Haku doing all the work for Andre to keep him involved at that stage of his career.

Don't agree with Shawn and Marty at all. In hindsight, that's the way it looks, but Marty was great in the ring and just as big a part of The Rockers. In fact, he was probably better than Shawn early on.

[Bad News Gertner]

This starts and ends with the Dream Team.

Beefcake was so awful. Poor Valentine worked 80% of the matches.

[Bad News Gertner]

Would anyone say rick martel carried tito or were they about even?

I'd say even. Both were former tag champs: Martel with Garea and Santana with Putski. Both could go in the ring, both mediocre on the mic.

[Bad News Gertner]

Titus is certainly carrying Young right now, Young had another chance to say something last night and did nothing once again.

Colossal Connection was very much Haku doing all the work for Andre to keep him involved at that stage of his career.

Don't agree with Shawn and Marty at all. In hindsight, that's the way it looks, but Marty was great in the ring and just as big a part of The Rockers. In fact, he was probably better than Shawn early on.

Andre's presence at least made the team interesting, but yeah, towards the end of their run Andre couldn't even move.

[The Condor]

As weird as it might seem to say, I think that Road Dogg carried Billy Gunn once the Outlaws joined DX.

[Maluco]

Andre's presence at least made the team interesting, but yeah, towards the end of their run Andre couldn't even move.

Yeah, can't deny that Andre didn't legitimize them as a team. Good point.

[Maluco]

As weird as it might seem to say, I think that Road Dogg carried Billy Gunn once the Outlaws joined DX.

Wouldn't agree with this one either. Always thought that Billy was a great athlete and enjoyed watching him. Road Dogg certainly better on the mic, but while he was decent in ring, Billy was def the better athlete

[Johnny Vegas]

Cactus Jack carried Terry Funk in '98. Terry could barely go anymore and was only into doing spots at this point. Foley was still able to put on good/great matches and took better bumps most of the time.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Billy Gunn carried the entire WWF during the Attitude era.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Given there are "I'm shawn,you're marty" t shirts available I would say so

That's based on what happened AFTER The Rockers. They were pretty much neck and neck during.

[Vastardikai]

Harper carries Rowan.

In the beginning, I felt Murdoch carried Cade.

Also, Bret carried the matches, but Jim carried the promos.

[RP]

I thought Young kept his mouth shut because Titus seemed like he was about to say something racially insensitive during that match. I think there was Hogan effect there.

I don't think Bret carried Anvil. Jim was a great personality and was the power wrestle of the team.

[Hanso Amore]

That's based on what happened AFTER The Rockers. They were pretty much neck and neck during.

exactly - That the point of the breakup im sure the WWE thought they had two future stars on their hands, and kind of did. If Jannetty didnt fuck up his life and career they could have been what Bret vs Shawn became. Edge and Christian were the same, they had different post team careers but were both amazing as the team.

Rodd Dogg and Billy Gunn were perfect, they masked each others weaknesses and didn't carry one or the other.

Andre and Haku - Haku didnt carry the team. He did the work but as mentioned Andre wasnt there to work, he was a presence.

Honestly my thought is the impact players. Storm carried that team based solely on the fact that Justin Credible was utter shit.

Harlem Heat - Stevie Ray was never more than a big body. Booker T made them an all time great team.

[NormanSmiley]

This starts and ends with the Dream Team.

Beefcake was so awful. Poor Valentine worked 80% of the matches.


i found this to be true during their run, but an interesting twist is post split beefcake got a big push and valentine was stuck with dino bravo for a minute. then bravo got a push and valentine was given HTM.

makes me wonder was valentine used a mentor to get guys ready for a singles run or did they think he was only capable in a tag team role and was he not carrying his weight ?

[Evil Vito]

Rodd Dogg and Billy Gunn were perfect, they masked each others weaknesses and didn't carry one or the other.

<font color=goldenrod>The Attitude Era Podcast totally ruined the Outlaws for me. It caused me to go back and watch a bunch of their matches and realize that almost every single one of them involved Road Dogg getting worked over heavily before the hot tag to Gunn. They never really switched roles at any point.</font>

[NormanSmiley]

as a way to judge it in a case like the NAO, is if you ask would the team still work if one guy got replaced? i think that NAO could have worked with billy being taken out for another guy. But if you had billy and a guy other than road dogg alot of their hype and energy would be missing.

[Bad News Gertner]

i found this to be true during their run, but an interesting twist is post split beefcake got a big push and valentine was stuck with dino bravo for a minute. then bravo got a push and valentine was given HTM.

makes me wonder was valentine used a mentor to get guys ready for a singles run or did they think he was only capable in a tag team role and was he not carrying his weight ?

Yes he was. Beefcake was very green at that point. Plus Beefcake was Hogan's lackey so he was going to get a push.

[Bad News Gertner]

<font color=goldenrod>The Attitude Era Podcast totally ruined the Outlaws for me. It caused me to go back and watch a bunch of their matches and realize that almost every single one of them involved Road Dogg getting worked over heavily before the hot tag to Gunn. They never really switched roles at any point.</font>

So did the Rock and Roll Express. Morton would sell his ass off every match with Gibson getting the hot tag.

If it works, it works.

[Evil Vito]

as a way to judge it in a case like the NAO, is if you ask would the team still work if one guy got replaced? i think that NAO could have worked with billy being taken out for another guy. But if you had billy and a guy other than road dogg alot of their hype and energy would be missing.

<font color=goldenrod>I tend to agree with that. If you want to do a hybrid of two Attitude Era teams you could have easily had Road Dogg and Bradshaw. Road Dogg does all the talking (Billy Gunn's one line during the NAO speech was pretty unnecessary) and is the beat down guy like always. Bradshaw comes in as the hot tag guy and fucks shit up. Probably in a far more convincing fashion than Billy Gunn.

So neither NAO member carried the other really...they were just ridiculously formulaic.</font>

[Evil Vito]

So did the Rock and Roll Express. Morton would sell his ass off every match with Gibson getting the hot tag.

If it works, it works.

<font color=goldenrod>I get that. It's just difficult to for me to assess whether or not one of them "carried the team" when every match was the same.

Love some of the old stuff from the 80s where even if they are following a formula they managed to mask it to a degree. Tag matches now just feel so phoned in because the face hot tag is such a given that almost everything leading up to it feels irrelevant.</font>

[NormanSmiley]

Yes he was. Beefcake was very green at that point. Plus Beefcake was Hogan's lackey so he was going to get a push.


him teaming with honky was so fucking terrible, what an insult to poor greg

[My Final Heaven]

But Rhythm & Blues had Monsoon nicknaming Valentine "Boxcar". :lol: That has to count for something

[MoFo]

Booker T carried Stevie Ray in Harlem Heat

[MoFo]

Although they were both pretty 'clunky' IMO

[Bad News Gertner]

him teaming with honky was so fucking terrible, what an insult to poor greg

To be fair, Valentine had been around pretty much since the late 70's. He was on borrowed time to begin with and had gotten real stale. Lol not the best use of him though.

[DAMN iNATOR]

There was only one wrestler called "WHO", so no, he couldn't have carried himself.

Rumor has it that WHO's on first, though..

[NormanSmiley]

Speaking of haku did he carry the weight in all 3 of his tag teams? If we say he did the heavy lifting with andre, did he also with the barbarian? Tama?

[Bad News Gertner]

I'd say he and Tama were equals. Great team.

I'm a huge Meng fan, but both were pretty bad in WCW. Neither cut promos so you can't really judge them on that. I will say Meng was more intriguing, but I woulsn't call Barbarian dead weight.

[NormanSmiley]

I loved the islanders too. Great theme. Dungeon of doom were formidable looking and worked great in wcw. Meng was always awesome except for king haku. Lame ass gimmick

[Jordan]

Bubba carried D-Von.

Edge carried Christian

Jeff carried Matt

Billy carried Bart, Chuck, and Road Dogg

Dynamite carried Bulldog

[Jordan]

I loved the islanders too. Great theme. Dungeon of doom were formidable looking and worked great in wcw. Meng was always awesome except for king haku. Lame ass gimmick

Faces of Fear was the team Dungeon of Doom was the cult.

[NormanSmiley]

I am aware

[Tom Guycott]

I was coming here to comment on Powers of Pain, but everyone already got their Haku comments out of their system.

Also, as for the Impact Players... their relationship was more student/teacher, so of course Lance would "carry" that team.

Let's ask the hardball questions, like who carried the Hollywood Blondes? I'd say Pillman, but Austin was catching on fast.

[Ruien]

Every team does not have someone who carried the team. I would say neither Tom.

[Bad News Gertner]

I 100% agree with that.

To carry someone imo means the partner is not better by a good margain at one aspect than the other, be it promos, ring work, charisma.

[NormanSmiley]

I 100% agree with that.

To carry someone imo means the partner is not better by a good margain at one aspect than the other, be it promos, ring work, charisma.

This

[Tom Guycott]

Point was to open the field beyond pretty much discussing the requisite Hart Foundation or New Age Outlaws thay ALWAYS comes up when this topic is broached.

[NormanSmiley]

When you look at power teams is there any where one guy carried? When I look at road warriors, demolition and powers or pain they all 3 seem pretty even

[Tom Guycott]

Steiners. They were technically a power team. While Scotty did the heavy lifting between the ropes, Rick was the one over as fuck. Scott would have been pretty generic roster filler if they split in their heyday.

Road Warriors are a good question, though. They were "twins" in a tag-team sense, but different enough to know who was who (unlike teams like The Rockers or pre-goth Hardy Boys: really, back then did you even CARE which one was Matt and which was Jeff?) they both had their own promo style and their own brand of charisma... Hawk had the catch phrases, but Animal brought the intensity. If one took a back seat to the other one week, the roles were reversed the next time you saw them. Honestly, LoD is about as prototypically perfect team you could put together.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've always thought Hawk was a decent amount better than Animal

[NormanSmiley]

The conquistadors. Now THERE is an example of neither carrying the other

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Jose Estrada was a lot better than Jose Luis Rivera

[Vastardikai]

I would say Dan Spivey carried the Skyscrapers, as Mean Mark wasn't quite ready yet.

[NormanSmiley]

Did sid carry spivey though?

[Shisen Kopf]

Bushwhacker Luke def carried Butch.

Conquistador #2 (Dos) carried the team.

The Uso on the left carried the team.

Villano IV owned that team.

Ding carried Dong in the Ding Dongs.

And finally HABM carries whoever he is tagging with.

[Bad News Gertner]

Did sid carry spivey though?

Omg that team was so bad. Lol nobody carried that team. Sid was green and Spivey was injured alot.