WWE should start respecting their current selves on air.

[Anybody Thrilla]

"OMG WWF WUZ SO MUCH BETTER IN THE ATTITUDE ERA!!!!!!!!1111111!1!"

The above is a common viewpoint of casual wrestling fans and smarks alike. That's fine. That's just how that is.

Unfortunately, it also sees to be the viewpoint of WWE as well.

Maybe it's just Vince, but whoever is calling the shots clearly puts the old school over the current product on a pretty consistent basis, and I feel it's detrimental to the workers who are busting their asses today. Numerous appearances from washed up "legends" coming back in barely mobile forms, going over current superstars may be fun for a quick nostalgia jolt, but it's ultimately not doing anyone currently any favors.

Sting is the number one contender for the WWE World Heavyweight title. Why? He has had literally one match in WWE and it was a loss...to Triple H...an Attitude Era guy. What?

Somebody on commentary mentioned Seth Rollins saying that he could be better than Triple H, and the others reacted like that was a completely ridiculous statement.

SETH ROLLINS IS THE MOTHER FUCKING WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. Why is the NOTION that he might be better than someone who debuted in WWE in 1996 not even PLAUSIBLE?

Add in the Dudleyz, who seem like a shoe in to win the tag titles at Night of Champions, and this problem doesn't seem to be getting any better.

With the Hogan and Snuka situations, perhaps there's a CHANCE that they'll get away from worshiping the old school...but I dunno.

Today's WWE is a stacked roster. Cesaro is a better athlete than any single person on the roster in Hogan's prime. I'll stop with examples because I'm rambling now, but my point is WWE needs to start believing their own hype if they really expect anyone else to give a shit aoout their product.

Your thoughts?

[Big Vic]

The dudleys have been wrestling in TNA. But yeah unless this leads to Seth going over HHH like Batista did (unlike Orton) then it could be a plus for Seth.

It's a shame there are only about 4 protect guys in the WWE and only one works full time.

[Sixx]

Where are the days of Katie Vick's era WWE self-respect, eh?

[Simple Fan]

I don't have a problem with Sting and the Dudley's returning and winning the titles. Sting has won titles for every major wrestling promotion in the US and him going after the WWE title is a story that needs to be told. As for the Dudleys them coming in just raises the tag team division. Them and New Day can have a hell of a feud.

Cesaro is one of the best in the ring but his mic work is what is holding him back I feel. He has got better with the mic but I think if he had a manager it would help out a whole lot. And i mean a real manager not someone who talks up their other clients with Cesaro standing next to him. WWE really just needs to give him somthing to run with though, right now he is simply over because the dude can go in the ring.

[CSL]

I agree with the main point/title of the thread. How they aren't all "these guys today are bigger, stronger, faster, more exciting" etc baffles me. You don't need to believe it to try and sell it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cuz they don't really need to try that hard to present a decent product. Their a status quo type.company.

[Heisenberg]

We are between WrestleMania events right now, I'm pretty sure the part-timers are there for 2 reasons. One being the obvious lack of faith in the new guys and to cater to guys like me that feed off nostalgia. Who the hell hated seeing the matador dude getting put through a table?


The Dudleys are putting over New Day and making their feud legit rn.


Sting has come off as nothing but supportive in his work. His feud with Seth is huge and will establish Rollins for years to come.


Cena is also helping the young guys/glass breakers out everytime he appears in a match with them(the RAW main event a couple days ago had guys in there that he opens his private gym up to)




When you step away from the dirtsheets and enjoy RAW as entertainment it helps digest some of the crap they have on the program. It's robotic and formulaic, but sometimes the poop grows into green grass that you can lay on(The New Day emergence)

[Big Vic]

Why was Seth afraid of Edge on Raw?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why was Seth afraid of Edge on Raw?

Great question. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. The fact that they even acknowledged that Edge can't really do anything physical should have been all the more reason for Seth to not be scared of him. Just bizarre stuff.

[Anybody Thrilla]

We are between WrestleMania events right now, I'm pretty sure the part-timers are there for 2 reasons. One being the obvious lack of faith in the new guys and to cater to guys like me that feed off nostalgia. Who the hell hated seeing the matador dude getting put through a table?


The Dudleys are putting over New Day and making their feud legit rn.


Sting has come off as nothing but supportive in his work. His feud with Seth is huge and will establish Rollins for years to come.


Cena is also helping the young guys/glass breakers out everytime he appears in a match with them(the RAW main event a couple days ago had guys in there that he opens his private gym up to)




When you step away from the dirtsheets and enjoy RAW as entertainment it helps digest some of the crap they have on the program. It's robotic and formulaic, but sometimes the poop grows into green grass that you can lay on(The New Day emergence)

Thing is, I don't read the dirt sheets. These thoughts came from the Seth Rollins comments from the commentators on Raw. I didn't say I don't enjoy the show, because I usually do. I just think that they could try harder to make their current stars look like actual STARS and not just 'the best they could do' now that the Attitude Era has passed. Have a little respect for your boys!

[Big Vic]

Great question. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. The fact that they even acknowledged that Edge can't really do anything physical should have been all the more reason for Seth to not be scared of him. Just bizarre stuff.
Like I missed raw so I thought the dudley's were gonna come out and back him up or something since they we in the title of the video... but nope Seth just kinda punked out to a 'cripple'

[Anybody Thrilla]

Right. Easily could have had Rollins start punking out Edge and THEN have the Dudleyz show up, no harm there. But nah.

[Emperor Smeat]

Part of the problem is due to how badly the WWE has built up legit stars ever since they got way too comfortable with the Cena/PG era. Whenever they have a possible new star or mega star in the making, either they end up waiting too long or get too stubborn because they weren't hand-picked for stardom.

Instead of spending the time to rebuild things to take advantage of their very talented roster, they rather go right back to Cena/old stars if the results aren't instant or get sluggish. Even when it seems like they are actually rebuilding stuff like the US belt or tag division, they drop it the moment they get bored or forgot to also build a worthy successor to carry on those plans. The end game to the US Open Challenge shouldn't have been nobody in the mid-card getting the rub by beating Cena for the belt nor the lack of a "Warrior" moment for Rollins in the sense of him winning that belt without the anti-climatic ending.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm actually OK with the way Cena lost the US strap, because it benefits Rollins.

[Maluco]

Today's WWE is a stacked roster. Cesaro is a better athlete than any single person on the roster in Hogan's prime. I'll stop with examples because I'm rambling now, but my point is WWE needs to start believing their own hype if they really expect anyone else to give a shit aoout their product.

Your thoughts?

I agree with you 100%, but this line caught my eye. I wouldn't say Cesaro is a better athlete than Savage or Michaels for example, and certainly doesn't have their charisma, and I think that is also part of the problem, but not in relation to the Hogan era, but to the era that they hark back to.

The likes of Kurt Angle had it all, as did Rock, Austin, HHH (like him or not), Sting, Mankind, Taker, Edge, Jericho, Eddie etc....

The WWE roster before Mania 17 was ridiculously good and had so many larger than life performers. The fact that Jericho struggled to be a main eventer back then is proof. If he was full time nowadays, with his skill set, he would be the man, no question.

I agree with you, you don't need to believe it to promote it, but sometimes I watch it, and I understand why they don't try and claim it, because it might come across as ridiculous to them...and maybe to fans too.

[#1-norm-fan]

It would come across as a bit TOO ridiculous as it is. I think they'd have to actually put some good work in building guys up consistently before they make the exaggerated claims. I mean, yeah they could just say it. It's easy to see through the bullshit though when it's so laughable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with the premise of this thread.

On Cesaro: The dude can fucking work. I honestly can't remember seeing anyone as rewarding in the ring as he has been since I started watching. He's this perfect blend of old-school and new flare. I'm not saying the older guys couldn't do what he is doing, but they could easily emphasize that no one has done some of the shit he is doing. They shouldn't just be billing him as the pound-for-pound strongest; but as the pound-for-pound best.

He might not be the best talker, but he is getting more comfortable. Not everyone needs to be The Rock on the mic. His charisma shines through his work. The far and away biggest problem they face with him is that they don't give him wins. It really is that simple. If Cesaro were a horse in the race, he'd never place. Who the fuck is putting money on that horse? Cesaro needs to start winning. He got the pin on Rusev. Great. I think he should have been the first guy to ever beat Rusev twice. Then you could have had him beat Owens at SummerSlam -- with Owens using the Ladder Match the night before as an excuse. Cesaro could then move into a program with The Miz -- who would be the perfect guy to whinge about Cesaro's lack of personality, only to get flattened for it. Then you can move him onto Big Show. Then he can have a very impressive showing in the Royal Rumble. You get the idea.

Cesaro's not the only face this happens to -- Dean Ambrose got smashed with the same shit. Bray Wyatt has gotten it as a heel. The WWE doesn't seem to want anyone to get too over in case they get offers to go and be an actor or something. Then they expect these guys to act.

[Heisenberg]

Thing is, I don't read the dirt sheets. These thoughts came from the Seth Rollins comments from the commentators on Raw. I didn't say I don't enjoy the show, because I usually do. I just think that they could try harder to make their current stars look like actual STARS and not just 'the best they could do' now that the Attitude Era has passed. Have a little respect for your boys!

We'll see their emergence soon, like Wrestlemania 32 should be used to put them over.

[Vastardikai]

I think I hit on this as my biggest problem with this year's Mania: with the exception of the Main Event, EVERY match that mattered featured the most established guy in the match going over. Even the pre-Mania Andre Battle Royal was won by that fresh newcomer the Big Show.

[hb2k]

This thread brought a massive smile to my face here at 9:07 at my office desk. I HATE WWE's respect for history. Some may find a stance like that odd, but one of the reasons the WWF in the 90s has such fond nostalgia is because they never ever acted like the here and now wasn't the best things had ever been. From late 97 on, there were never any references to late 80s WWF because the promotional philosophy was that these guys today are the legends in the making, true stars. Even when they weren't, they pushed it that way.

It's one of the reasons I was a fan of the streak being broken. Every year, the biggest match at Wrestlemania was destined to be the old guy coming back to beat a new guy. Awesome. This year's Mania, the biggest match was Brock and Roman, the here and now, the way it should be.

I disagree on Cesaro being better than anybody in Hogan's prime however - he's not better than Randy Savage. Cesaro does a lot of extremely impressive stuff, but he doesn't sell in a particularly engaging way, and he has trouble hooking audiences into his matches sometimes as a result. I don't blame that on a lack of charisma or over the top personality, Bret Hart wasn't over the top, but he was one of the best sellers who ever lived.

And judging personality with Savager side by side seems so uneven as to almost be unfair.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WrestleMania XXX seemed like it would actually mark a turning point when it came to old guys being put over. So much for that.

The more I think about it, the more I want to see that Cesaro/Dolph Ziggler tag team I am always harping on about.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cesaro was just one example of the extreme talent they have today. I wasn't really trying to say he is better than Savage. A lot of really good workers on the roster today compared to back then. Even the jobbers. I'll take Zack Ryder over Reno Riggins, so to speak.

[road doggy dogg]

Really want to make a good post about an analogy to pro sports teams building their roster with veterans and prospects but tight for time... may revisit this later

[Anybody Thrilla]

Throw a road doggy dogg ear on it.

[NormanSmiley]

It would come across as a bit TOO ridiculous as it is. I think they'd have to actually put some good work in building guys up consistently before they make the exaggerated claims. I mean, yeah they could just say it. It's easy to see through the bullshit though when it's so laughable.

To this point I find it laughable how much they rest on things that make no impact on the product. They are so fast to tell you they are the #1 trending worldwide thing during a ppv, but the buildup to that ppv from a storyline standpoint has been shit. We are just watching cause we love wrestling regardless. It trending does nothing to save the show and encourages them they are doing things right. Cant stand cole talking about social media blowing their own horn

[Mr. Nerfect]

What would be great is if they had massive ratings or buyrates to not tote about on air, because they were secure enough in the business they were doing.

[DAMN iNATOR]

It's true they haven't been trying to build a lot of their newer guys and relying on established names more instead and yes, as a result I think there's been some definite missed opportunities. But the new blood isn't just going to completely take over from the old guard right away.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but the sooner Triple H can gain more power over the company from Vince and all his old, loyal cronies, the sooner they'll perhaps wake up and learn to start pushing more of their newer talent. Case in point would be NXT.

[Damian Rey]

They should always build for now and the future. Using established vets is fine. Even giving them a top run is ok. But if the end goal is to not elevate everyone as high as possible and get them ridiculously over so that when one a guy gets hurt, or leaves, doesn't pan out etc, you now have a laundry list of guys to step in.

Monday was a good example. Prime Time Players and New Day are co main eventing. Would it have really been too much to ask to have either Titus or Darren factor in the pin fall finish?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Not everybody can be a huge main-event star. They've gotta have a few jobbers to the stars.

[Damian Rey]

I agree. But they could have at least a blatant tier of talent. Nobody ever bought into D- Lo Brown or Jeff Jarrett as main event caliber but they were more over and better positioned than the majority of the roster.

The 50-50 booking where everyone keeps evenand no one gets ahead is ridiculous. They have zero main event talent not named Cena or Lesnar, and arguably Rollins.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yeah, unfortunately that's bound to be what happens when you've got a senile 70 year old man running a wrestling company.

[KIRA]

I was thinking this as it relates to The New Day as well Its fine having them duck and dodge the Dudleyz and have them be deathly afraid of going through a table but at the end of it I don't want them sacrificed just to satisfy some attitude era boner I want them portrayed as legit competition who for all their antics are perfectly capable of hanging with and beating the Dudleyz.

[Anybody Thrilla]

IF NEW DAY LOSES, WE RIOT

(Who's with me?)

[Sixx]

Someone explain to me why are Prime Time Players "less cool" than The New Day.

Bunch of dancing black guys, too, right?

Serious question. I don't watch much.

[Sixx]

Is it because they dance with John Cena?

I bet that's the reason.

[Damian Rey]

I'm hoping the end game of the Dudleys is to put over both New Day and PTP as the next generation of tag teams. Them, the Usos, Rowan and Harper if Rowan ever shows back up, is a strong pool of tag teams.

Add in Dash and Wilder, Jordan and Gable and Enzo and Cass, and you have a legitimate tag division that is diverse, young and deep in talent.

And instead of trying to break guys up for singles run as an end game, keep them together unless it's blatantly obvious that one guy is a standout and has the tools to move into being a mid card or better talent. Let that type of transition happen organically.

[KIRA]

IF NEW DAY LOSES, WE RIOT

(Who's with me?)

Right here dude.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The New Day should keep the belts at Night of Champions. The number advantage hasn't been negated yet. Xavier Woods can run his annoyance right through The Dudleys' life at NOC, and then Kofi can go through a table for his troubles. Kofi sells it like death for the coming weeks, wearing a neck-brace with New Day talking about how he is a father -- and not one that has spawned fifty different half-brothers. The Dudleys made Kofi's kid cry, whereas usually they just put him to sleep. But the pain is all worth it, because Kofi is still a Tag Team Champion.

You know -- The Dudleys vs. The New Day inside a Hell in a Cell match is a good way to eliminate the outside interference factor. I'd rather John Cena, Dolph Ziggler, Neville & The Dudley Boyz vs. Rusev, Stardust & The New Day though. WWE War Games.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In the hypothetical universe where WWE did that War Games match, Bubba Ray breaking Woods' trombone in front of him to try and get him to surrender is a spot they must do.

[#1-norm-fan]

Someone explain to me why are Prime Time Players "less cool" than The New Day.

Bunch of dancing black guys, too, right?

Serious question. I don't watch much.

New Day are heels. That's got something to do with it. Makes their ultra-campiness more of a fun gimmick when they're also assholes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was thinking the other day about how The Prime Time Players are basically the male Bellas to me. They work hard and they've gotten a lot better -- but they're not great -- and kind of put a roof on the greatness possible by being in the position they are. They also seem to have this really odd thing where they can't work out how to be either proper heels or faces. As bad guys they were always trying to go for the pop, and as good guys they wear expensive suits and argue with face commentators.

[Emperor Smeat]

Someone explain to me why are Prime Time Players "less cool" than The New Day.

Bunch of dancing black guys, too, right?

Serious question. I don't watch much.

Probably the usual Creative being horrible when it comes to making face wrestlers interesting. Either that or New Day has some creative freedom for their gimmick since some of the stuff they are doing doesn't seem like Creative came up with it.

[Tom Guycott]

I think WWE should start making 3 to 5 year plans for their talent. Not hard, chiseled in stone plans, but stop expecting someone with "the look" to be curtain jerker to Heavyweight Champ inside of six months and have the fans be on board with it, while others who may be more talented in one way or another not be utilized and languish in the lower center of the card forever until they're eventually housecleaned. Itxs like they forgot how to build talent over time. If a Shawn Michaels came into the WWE now, he'd never make it. If they did overlook how "small" he is, he'd keep getting depushed when they got bored with him.

And even beyond all hope of it, if they "knew what they had" when he walked in the door, they would want him as Heavyweight Champion by next Wrestlemania... when the fans couldn't care less because nobody would be given the opportunity to grow with him. No Rockers, no Barber Shop window, no Sexy Boy IC run, no ladder match with Razor, no bodyguard-cum-rival in Diesel, no zipline, no smile loss, no DX, no Montreal, no WM vs Undertaker I or II... nothing to be invested in whatsoever.

The Rock didn't become The Rock overnight. Neither did Cena. Neither did Stone Cold. Arguably, neither did Hul[redacted]an, as he was a combination of poached talent and copypasta, and even then, he went through tweaks and even a little bit of evolution. But, could you imagine if Vince "got bored" with Hulkamainia inside of a few months?

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is the problem with a "creative team." If you have so many people scripting your shows, then a grand vision for your guys is obviously going to clash. If Joe Smith has this big idea that The New Day are going to be built up and the three of them are going to be the last in the Royal Rumble, and Big E is going to have this huge moment where he eliminates both guys, and Kofi and Woods act like they're cool with it heading into the main event as they back up Big E against WWE Champion Brock Lesnar, but Earl Nickworthy has this idea that John Cena is going to win the Royal Rumble and go on to face The Undertaker, who takes the title in a surprise moment heading into Mania, then you've obviously got conflicting plans. Collectively a lot of people might see a lot in a lot of people, but you need to give those guys a chance to breathe and get that something special out of them.

And in the end it all comes down to Vince McMahon, and whether he's a genius or not, he seems to be on the whim of the moment a lot of time, and seems to want to keep investors happy more than creating a pulsing product.

I was listening to a podcast between Konnan and Gabe Sapolsky the other day, and something they suggested really interested me: Konnan used to want to go to the WWE and write specifically for Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. He knew their voices, styles and what would have worked for them. If the WWE did something like this, then you get guys working on a more focused level with certain talent, and more concentrated effort going into their programs. Without being old-school about it, you actually get certain guys picked out as "pillars" of your programming too.

For example: If Joe Smith is assigned Randy Orton and Earl Nickworthy is assigned Kevin Owens -- they're going to be building these guys up for months at a time instead of on a week-to-week basis. This also keeps Orton and Owens separate, since two different guys are handling their booking. Lo and behold, come WrestleMania season, these two guys have had that match-up kept fresh, which makes it a viable draw for the PPV.

I've seen the idea floated for divisions in the past. I'm sure I've seen Jim Ross suggest that one or two writers be assigned to the tag team division. The same could be done for the ladies. Have Michael Hayes and a Nickelodeon guy work with the tag teams, then have Zeb Colter and a Hollywood guy work with the ladies.

[XL]

Here's some things I'd do with either of the shows if I was in charge:

1) Establish booking teams for each division on the show (WWE: World Title/Main Event, IC/US titles & midcard, tag division, and Divas). Imagine what Heyman could do with the midcard guys, for example. You also have Dutch Mantel who has experience in the booking department.

2) Each booking team would be given a roster of superstars to work with and a set of guidelines to work within (e.g. You can't use a guy from another roster without consent from the team that has him)

3) Each booking team has a head booker, 2-3 writers and an agent who puts the inring together

4) All teams would be brought together at weekly booking meetings in order to plan weeks/months in advance, to ensure that similar things aren't happening in each division, so that I could give final say on direction, etc.

The idea of this would be to create internal competition. With no real competition to WWE they need to compete amongst themselves. TNA could benefit from this model by concentrating on putting out their best content rather than worrying what WWE are doing.

Each team of bookers/writers/agents should be looking to get their guys/title as over as possible. The team booking the midcard titles should be looking to elevate their guys so that they're ready to be transitioned into the Main Event team.

The teams should be interchangeable too. If they best stuff is coming from your midcard team they should be given a chance with the top guys.

Shows should be planned weeks/months in advance. Obviously there are elements that can change (injuries being a major game changer for example) but for the most part I want to know where we're headed with each division/set of superstars going forward.

That way you don't have stuff like:

Brodus Clay allows Xavier Woods to use his music and dancers.
Clay gets annoyed and attacks Woods. Clay is now heel, breaking up Tons of Funk.
Clay vs. Woods plays out on B level shows, Clay vs. Tensai doesn't produce anything of note.

Fast-forward a few months: Tensai is an announcer on the C-show, Clay lost a match to the C-show champion and in doing so failed to obtain a match for the belt. Woods is a jobber, scheduled to lose in a handicap match (where he has the man advantage) against the current hot thing.

Total waste of time/momentum for everybody involved.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nice post.

[Heisenberg]

*pyros shoot off, pan to the crowd holding signs, they are fired up, the dads just bought out the merch stand's John Cena swag, the piggy kids are fed and hydrated, one has to go to the bathroom during their father's favorite wrestler entrance, he is left to pee on himself, the section now reaks of piss, the crowd is white hot for RAW*


I'm one of the channel flippers for RAW/MNF(Monday Night Football) and was hooked in for the NEW DAY, noticed that Charlotte/Nikki went around the time that halftime was up for the first game.


The Sting hook fell flat for me and almost cost them a viewer right out the gate. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of Sting's fans, but not this watered down version that is protected and balding. It was a slight at WCW fans cause we seen that match already, like 20 f'n years ago. If it was Sting v.s. Fandango or Heath Slater it would have been more interesting.


The slow burn I'm hoping for better pan out, as they bring in big attractions to maintain what they think they have until another Hogan/Cena arises. Right now, I don't think we need that big, single and polarizing star, that may be damaging, having 4 or 5 top guys should be the goal. We need a f'n WrestleMania Fatal Four Way match for the belt and put the Shield guys and Cesaro in it.


When they stop running the New Day through the tag team division, they should do something different and keep them as a unit. Have them set out and dominate singles match, but have them kept together. Big E could hold the Heavyweight, Kofi the IC and Xavier could run with the US or the newly fictionally rechristened Lightweight Championship.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sting fucking sucks. I was saying that before he actually came back and everyone was salivating for a Wrestlemania match with Undertaker.

[Heisenberg]

I was in Iraq for Goldberg's return, but going back and seeing how he was booked it's kind of like they are booking Sting the same. They really like to stick it to WCW which was like half a lifetime ago. Just move the hell on and the fact they know how "smart" the fans are it sounds moderately disrespectful to not mention the gap between WCW/WWE. At least make something up like he was on Scott Steiner's private island or some shit

[Anybody Thrilla]

They could have said that he was silently waiting in the rafters the entire time and it would have been better than whatever is going on now.

[Heisenberg]

That's good

or Sting coming out as Surfer Sting, refusing the black and white version after WWE spent money to make Crow shirts and action figures

[XL]

They should have had the severed head of Rollins' statue fall from the rafters painted with the Crow make-up. That would have been menacing. Similar to what The Joker did to the Bat-pack guys in TDK.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually like the idea of The New Day staying aligned but breaking off into singles. Spread their awesomeness out over a show.

[Damian Rey]

Feel like the New Day is a sum of their parts product. If one Woods wins a singles belt great. But much the Wyatt family, think they work best and are more appealing as a unit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Agreed. If the rest of the product didn't suck wind so much then I wouldn't be calling for them to be spread out as much.

[#1-norm-fan]

Sting fucking sucks. I was saying that before he actually came back and everyone was salivating for a Wrestlemania match with Undertaker.

What's this now?

[NormanSmiley]

Sting fucking sucks. I was saying that before he actually came back and everyone was salivating for a Wrestlemania match with Undertaker.

Ive always dreamed of my wwe champion wearing a t shirt when he wrestles

[Sixx]

I was in Iraq for Goldberg's return, but going back and seeing how he was booked it's kind of like they are booking Sting the same. They really like to stick it to WCW which was like half a lifetime ago. Just move the hell on and the fact they know how "smart" the fans are it sounds moderately disrespectful to not mention the gap between WCW/WWE. At least make something up like he was on Scott Steiner's private island or some shit

Tupac Island

[Mr. Nerfect]

I always wanted Sting vs. Triple H. I just envisioned it differently.

[Anybody Thrilla]

No matter how you envision it, Sting sucks.

[Heisenberg]

WCW Sting ruled. It's hard to defend current Sting