Raw rating lowest since July 2012

[#1-norm-fan]

And not worry about having to be entertaining because you can just bask in your past success and get by without trying anymore? I mean, trying to be entertaining again would make not just your company but the ENTIRE form of entertainment hugely popular again. But then other companies would take advantage of that boom and you'd have competition again. So maybe it's better to just not try anymore.

That is actually a very good idea. I know a company who does that.

[The CyNick]

And not worry about having to be entertaining because you can just bask in your past success and get by without trying anymore? I mean, trying to be entertaining again would make not just your company but the ENTIRE form of entertainment hugely popular again. But then other companies would take advantage of that boom and you'd have competition again. So maybe it's better to just not try anymore.

That is actually a very good idea. I know a company who does that.

I don't doubt it.

I will just pattern myself around the one that just posted record revenues and is the worldwide leader in sports entertainment.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You forgot "...today!" at the end of your sentence. Fucking mark.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't doubt it.

I will just pattern myself around the one that just posted record revenues and is the worldwide leader in sports entertainment.

You already got the shitty writing part down. I think you're doing it backwards though...

[#1-norm-fan]

DID YOU KNOW??: We actually have a bar that measures reputation. It's right there for everyone to look at. CyNick's reputation is quite average. It does not match his posturing. Very WWE of him.

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[The CyNick]

Lol you could not be more of a geek.

[Savio]

My girls brother who is a wrestling fan from brasil, doesnt know english, does not like roman reigns.

[#1-norm-fan]

The IWC is behind. We're still in the territory days. I go from territory to territory, dominate, then leave.

Lol you could not be more of a geek.

lol

[Emperor Smeat]

Post-Mania RAW show did really bad compared to past years and the expected viewers/ratings boost. Barely was above 4 million for the viewership average. Only real bright side was yesterday also had the NCAA Men's basketball title game going on around the same time but 2014 and 2013 also had the title game on the same day.

Hour 1: 4,287,000
Hour 2: 4,178,000
Hour 3: 3,816,000

Avg.: 4,093,000

For some reference 2015 was around 5.36 million for viewers and 2014 was 5.14 million for viewers as the average. Even compared to 2013 it was really low (4.61 million).

[The CyNick]

Walking Dead was down nearly 2 million viewers compared to the previous year's season finale.

Time to panic?

[Ruien]

I would say yes. Walking Dead is becoming stale. Same shit over and over.

[Emperor Smeat]

Is AMC currently dealing with a major ratings crisis or Walking Dead dealing with a constantly sharp viewership drops? Answer for both is no.

2015 likely is the series peak considering the numbers but Season 6 was still hovering with Season 4 for numbers. Some weeks being better, some being lower, and then close to a tie near the end.

Even with the almost 2 million drop, its still almost 2 million higher than 2013's finale which is something that can't be said the same for WWE's post-Mania shows and RAW in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_%28TV_series%29#Ratings

[#1-norm-fan]

Well. Smeat covered that.

Ruien may also have a point but I can't really speak to it since I never really got into Walking Dead in the first place. When a show becomes stale and the writing gets lazy, ratings do tend to drop though. *cough*

[The CyNick]

Is AMC currently dealing with a major ratings crisis or Walking Dead dealing with a constantly sharp viewership drops? Answer for both is no.

2015 likely is the series peak considering the numbers but Season 6 was still hovering with Season 4 for numbers. Some weeks being better, some being lower, and then close to a tie near the end.

Even with the almost 2 million drop, its still almost 2 million higher than 2013's finale which is something that can't be said the same for WWE's post-Mania shows and RAW in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_%28TV_series%29#Ratings

The reason Walking Dead was brought up in the first place was in response to TV being down across the board. A poster brought up Walking Dead as a show that has not declined. I said it then, and it has played out through seasons end that even the most popular show on cable has declined.

I never said it's following RAW exactly in every year, because RAW is in its 20 whatever year and TWD is in its 6th. I've said this before, but let's see where TWD's numbers are in 15 years or so.

[drave]

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[BigCrippyZ]

The reason Walking Dead was brought up in the first place was in response to TV being down across the board. A poster brought up Walking Dead as a show that has not declined. I said it then, and it has played out through seasons end that even the most popular show on cable has declined.


Actually I brought up Walking Dead in the first place to show that, in comparison to Raw, if you have compelling, well written television, more buzz will follow and thus significantly more people will watch the show.

It was only later on that you started making the argument that television show ratings were down across the board for the last 5+ years. In order to rebut that, Walking Dead was again brought up as an example of that not being true when you have a compelling, well written show.

It wasn't until this 6th season when Walking Dead's ratings fell by less than 9% compared to last season. Until this last season, Walking Dead's ratings increased by at least 8% every season, and often increased by significantly more than that.

[The CyNick]

I don't know if I said every show on TV has declined over the past five years. What I said was that numbers are down across the board. There have been multiple articles written on the subject by well respected publications in the TV game. You can look them up in case you want to educate yourself on the subject.

The other issue which I have addressed is that TWD is at a different point in their life cycle to where RAW is. But even with that consideration, TWD has still fallen into the trend of declining ratings, like RAW.

A better comparison would be another show that has been on for a long time and isn't in an expected growth phase. The Simpsons numbers have declined every year for the past 5 and if you compare this year's numbers to five years ago they are down 28%. The trouble for a show like The Simpsons is its on network tv and the threshold for success is much higher than cable. RAW in comparison while also down for several years, they have maintained their #1 spot on Monday on cable. If the industry as a whole was not in decline, RAW would be outside the top ten by now. At the end you are measured against your peers, and RAW continues to deliver big time. The unprecedented interest in advertisers proves things are actually good from a TV perspective. But I don't expect anyone else on here to appreciate that nuance.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You are right qcynick raw is doing amazingly for an out of touch,mediocre 3 hour chore to watch.

[The CyNick]

You are right qcynick raw is doing amazingly for an out of touch,mediocre 3 hour chore to watch.

Thats another great point. Its 3 hours, and most shows are 30 or 60 minutes. Its actually amazing to me that RAW draws more viewers than anything on Monday nights and does it for three hours. Really shows how strong their creative is that they can keep more people entertained for 3 hours than any show can for 30 minutes.

[Simple Fan]

:rofl:he said creative was strong.

[Maluco]

I wasn't aware that Walking Dead has segments where athletes put in a choreographed performance unrelated to what was written for them to say or do, or what story they are trying to tell.

The people that are still watching RAW are wrestling fans, the fans of entertainment are leaving in droves.

[The CyNick]

I wasn't aware that Walking Dead has segments where athletes put in a choreographed performance unrelated to what was written for them to say or do, or what story they are trying to tell.

The people that are still watching RAW are wrestling fans, the fans of entertainment are leaving in droves.

It stands to reason you would lose the casual fans first. I would say your hardcore fans are ones who watch most or all the shows. I think RAW still has a sizeable casual fanbase. Lower than it once was, but that's the same for any show.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Lol.so every show isn't popular anymore?

[drave]

I think RAW still has a sizeable casual fanbase. Lower than it once was, but that's the same for any show.


This sounds like Homer and the pig


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[The CyNick]

Lol.so every show isn't popular anymore?

Not following

[Savio]

So wait raw is still in good shape? Nothing to worry about at all?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Of course Savio. Don't be silly.

[The CyNick]

So wait raw is still in good shape? Nothing to worry about at all?

I personally don't think there is

TV rights fees never been higher

Interest from advertisers never been higher

Network subs continuing to grow (driven by the TV audience)

Revenues at an all time high

TV ratings in decline along with the vast majority of shows on cable. But still maintaining top 1 or 2 spots on cable on Mondays.

[slik]

This week's edition of RAW, featuring Shane McMahon in charge for a 3rd time, did 3.3 million viewers overall. This is below last week's 3.5 million viewers. It's worth nothing that the 3rd hour dropped under three million viewers.

Below is the hourly breakdown:

8PM: 3.4M viewers
9PM: 3.5M viewers
10PM: 2.9M viewers


The final rating for the show was a 2.32, down from last week's 2.50 rating. This is the lowest rating of the year. The previous low came on January 11th, a 2.36 rating for an episode that went up against the college football championship game.

[Emperor Smeat]

Really bad sign for the sub-3 million hour drop to be happening only a couple of weeks after Mania. Usually that doesn't happen till the Summer or whenever the WWE starts its coasting period.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Everything's fine guys. USA execs are high fiving each other in the hallways.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well we all know this means the Authority is going to come back to spike ratings

[Ruien]

To be fair, this Raw was taped.

[Emperor Smeat]

Did some searching and last year's taped show from England did better overall. Same location as yesterday's episode.

April 13, 2015
Hour one – 3,686,000 viewers
Hour two – 3,786,000 viewers
Hour three – 3,525,000 viewers
Average – 3,665,667 viewers

Looks just as bad when doing the week comparisons for years since same show last year wasn't taped and did a little over 4 million for the average.
RAW April 20th, 2015;

Hour one - 4.10m
Hour two - 4.13m
Hour three - 3.87m

Average - 4.03m

[Mr. Nerfect]

I bet you CyNick isn't around these parts when it comes time for the WWE to renegotiate their television contract next year.

[slik]

I've enjoyed RAW since WM so this is a bit disappointing to read...




Monday’s Raw fell to a 2.20 rating the week after falling to a 2.32 rating for a taped international show.

It was the lowest rating of the year and lowest since a 2.15 rating in December. If not for the Dec. 7 episode, this would have been the lowest-rated regular-week Raw TV rating in about 20 years.

April 4 post-WM: 2.93 rating
April 11: 2.50 rating
April 18: 2.32 rating (U.K.)
April 25: 2.20 rating (25% decline since WM32)
– Raw was especially hit hard among 18-49 viewers. General adults 18-49 fell one-tenth of a rating to easily the lowest a18-49 rating of the year. Also, males 18-49 fell eight percent to easily the lowest m18-49 rating of the year.

The only demographic that improved was males 18-34, which hit an extreme low-point last week and inched up from the basement level this week. For the second consecutive week, the third hour drew fewer than 3.0 million viewers. That is the first time that has happened in the modern era.



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[XL]

So is Roman not a draw as Champ? Or AJ as a Main Eventer?

[Emperor Smeat]

The very weak Road to Mania and Mania itself being average at best probably playing a big role. The post-Mania shows have been better but even they have their own issues going on (ex. too much filler for feuds, Roman not working as "the guy", etc).

Knowing the WWE, they probably don't care since Cena is coming back soon and he's been their fallback whenever struggles occur although more often than not, he's only good at stabilizing ratings and not improving them.

WWE got very lucky last year their poor Road to Mania didn't start to affect them until the summer or when they usually start their coasting period.

[#1-norm-fan]

So is Roman not a draw as Champ? Or AJ as a Main Eventer?

Both.

I mean, really. Even if you like AJ, you've gotta admit throwing the face of TNA into the main event at this point is not exactly destined to be a ratings grab.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

AJ hasn't really done anything yet either. Fans like him and react to him but it's pretty obvious he's fodder for Roman. It's a shame because t.v. has been pretty good since mania. Back to authority and me not watching most likely.

[slik]

yeah if everything goes back to status quo I won't want to watch live anymore...I've been hooked since post WM because everything has felt so fresh/different

[#1-norm-fan]

They're trying to rush change instead of letting guys build naturally. Which I guess they have to do since they've done a shitty job of it for so long. But right now the main event scene seems very midcard-y. Nothing seems major.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I'd agree with that. Nothing is organic at all. Yeah the crowd likes AJ but the most major thing he's done is lose to Jericho at Wrestlemania. No time for the crowd to build a relationship with him.

[slik]

Raw ratings went up!

This week's edition of RAW, the night after the Payback PPV, did 3.432 million viewers overall. This is up from last week's 3.120 million viewers.

Below is the hourly breakdown:

8PM: 3.458M viewers
9PM: 3.457M viewers
10PM: 3.383M viewers

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

the good- Roman and AJ in the main event

The bad- STEPH POPS A RATING *vomit*

[Big Vic]

What were they this week?

[Emperor Smeat]

Surprisingly it ended up being decent this week which is a bit of a shock considering how meh the show was, Monday holiday weeks usually being really bad, and the tough sports competition. Even the weekly drop wasn't bad since it was just around 39k.

Hour one – 3,282,000 viewers
Hour two – 3,324,000 viewers
Hour three – 3,081,000 viewers
Average – 3,229,000 viewers

[Big Vic]

Quite surprised guessing it has 100% to do with Cena.

[Dark One]

Un-fucking-believable.

[Simple Fan]

Klay Thomsons dad was watching Raw instead of game 7.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/klay-thompsons-dad-watched-monday-220208860.html