Cruiserweight Classic - Live Final with a 60 MINUTE TIME LIMIT will probably give DB a concussion

[Dark One]

Can't wait for TJP to come up to the main roster with a Rodrigo Duterte gimmick.

[Dark One]

I can't understand Noam Dar through all that haggis.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

filler match lads

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jack Gallagher looks different.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

If ZSJ ever signs will Jack have a Remus Lupin gimmick as Zach's manager?

[Nark Order]

I feel like the next logical conclusion would be to have a Women's Superheavweight Classic (w/ cheese)

[Triple A]

Scottish accent really weird on Noam Dar (via him looking "extremely Israeli")

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Top Guys, not here

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

All These Guys* chant.

*Not Noam.

[Nark Order]

Scottish accent really weird on Noam Dar (via him looking "extremely Israeli")

Yeah, weird. Reminds me of when Justin Gabriel first got on the mic and I didnt know what to do.

[Dark One]

Bryan must have lost his voice from yelling "balls" repeatedly during the start of Talking Smack last night.

[Nark Order]

The crowd is getting high off of themslves. Seriously, shut up.

[Nark Order]

Full Sail fans seem ridiculously self indulgent

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They usually side with following the action and cheering it on. Best crowd to have this tournament. If only Raw crowds would follow suit with the division starting this Monday. (They wont)

NXT crowd never chanted We Are Awesome.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sweet looking clothesline by Ciampa

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think Dar and TJP have to come to an agreement on who can use the knee bar.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: think the ref botched the pin count

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That was 3

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Gargano fucked up.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tag match was good.

[Nark Order]

Unrelated but Miz has been on fire lately.

[Nark Order]

Regal looks like a giant.

[Dark One]

"He's been through so many trials and tribulations (TNA)."

[Nark Order]

Oh. I forgot. Everything needs to be a bout Triple H always.

[Dark One]

The best part about this is that from what I know, Gran Metallik has no idea what the fuck Triple H is saying.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Who wins?

[Emperor Smeat]

Would laugh if Triple H just pedigreed Metalik and raised Perkins hands. Would be a great way to get Perkins even more hated as a possible heel.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Kickwhampedigree.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cruiserweight belt looks good.

[Dark One]

Hey, people can't shit themselves about the belt being red this time. So that's good.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!

[Nark Order]

Dude. That belt looks awesome.

[Dark One]

Would laugh if Triple H just pedigreed Metalik and raised Perkins hands. Would be a great way to get Perkins even more hated as a possible heel.

Hogan-heel-turn levels of trash, like I said.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Can't have trash at Full Sail. It's a production studio. No food allowed. So, no drinks to throw.

[Nark Order]

I got TJP in this but either would be great.

[Triple A]

Wish Metalik was fighting the Asian guy instead

[Dark One]

Wish Metalik was fighting the Asian guy instead

I mean, he is fighting an Asian guy.

[Emperor Smeat]

Really nice hurricarana by Metalik.

[Dark One]

Well, Metallik's tailbone is shattered.

[GD]

@Trips TJ Perkins is Filipino.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ouch. Metalik completely missed on that flip to the outside.

[GD]

That dropkick to the knee barely made any contact. The work rate in this tournament has been commendable. Quality stuff.

[GD]

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[GD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsXK3g2XYAENiCe.jpg

[Dark One]

TJP!

[GD]

TJ Perkins is the WWE Cruiserweight Champion and the winner of the inaugural Cruiserweight Classic :eek:

[Nark Order]

TJP deserves it.

[Dark One]

TJP beat Hitler and survived TNA.

He deserves this.

[Triple A]

Damn @ welts

[Emperor Smeat]

Pretty good match between Perkins and Metalik. WWE did a really good job at making Perkins submission be great.

Ouch at Perkins chest. Lots of welts from the brutal smacks Ibushi and Metalik gave.

[GD]

Batista and Heisenberg must be proud of TJ Perkins :yes:

[Dark One]

If you asked TJP which part of his life was the toughest--being homeless or being in TNA--what do you think he would answer?

[GD]

Hearing a lot of "you deserve it" chants as of late.

[GD]

If you asked TJP which part of his life was the toughest--being homeless or being in TNA--what do you think he would answer?

Wow! Just learned who he was in TNA. Also baffled that he is 32 years old.

[Evil Vito]

Damn good match

[Dark One]

Hearing a lot of "you deserve it" chants as of late.

It's en vogue now, much like the "this is awesome!" chants became for a while--and still are to an extent.

It probably doesn't hurt that there have been so many new champions/belts the past couple of months.

[GD]

Someone in the crowd needs to shut the fuck up.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/cc07f48f8e74fba4b22d00eb1b97cc4f/tumblr_odiyj49Ogb1u1ljrzo4_1280.png

http://66.media.tumblr.com/45b4ac5a2a35fbde415161e01305bce7/tumblr_odiyj49Ogb1u1ljrzo1_1280.png

[GD]

Can't believe that the tournament is over. It was the primary reason for me to have a Network subscription.

[Simple Fan]

Good for TJP. Guy wanted to break away from the Manic character and lose the mask so bad in TNA but they never let him. Good choice as first WWE Cruiserweight Champion I think. Belt looks cool but I'm not big on the purple.

[Dark One]

Hey, people can't shit themselves about the belt being red this time. So that's good.

Good for TJP. Guy wanted to break away from the Manic character and lose the mask so bad in TNA but they never let him. Good choice as first WWE Cruiserweight Champion I think. Belt looks cool but I'm not big on the purple.

God damn it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Purple makes sense with the CWC colors being Purple and Silver.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Take that Hornswoggle!

[Simple Fan]

I'm cool with the purple accents on the plates but the strap just feels like too much purple. Would look badass on a black strap I believe.

[Dark One]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoWhatTheySayYouCant?src=hash">#DoWhatTheySayYouCant</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BeatIbushi?src=hash">#BeatIbushi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC?src=hash">#CWC</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y9F7hxbI0e">pic.twitter.com/Y9F7hxbI0e</a></p>&mdash; ✨TJ Perkins✨ (@MaskaraManik) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaskaraManik/status/775362952199299072">September 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[VSG]

Ah that's where Mauro got the list from. Very cool story, tremendous night.

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoWhatTheySayYouCant?src=hash">#DoWhatTheySayYouCant</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BeatIbushi?src=hash">#BeatIbushi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC?src=hash">#CWC</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y9F7hxbI0e">pic.twitter.com/Y9F7hxbI0e</a></p>&mdash; ✨TJ Perkins✨ (@MaskaraManik) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaskaraManik/status/775362952199299072">September 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Wait till you get to the main roster, kiddo!

I am not sure if the WWE Cruiserweight Championship is a continuation of the original WCW / WWE Cruiserweight Championship of the World.

[Dark One]

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[Droford]

Final was a slight letdown from the first two matches but overall this was one of the best two hours WWE has done

[Jordan]

The final was great but it did have this quality about. It was like the last match of an insanely good tournament with two incredible matches before, the guys were exhausted and they did the best thing they could do. They went out and had the tournament final, two guys just gunning for the win. What an amazing finish too, and TJ's victory speech was brilliant, instantly fell in love, instantly a star. I thought Metalik would have and should have taken the tournament, but he will still be awesome without the win, TJ is elevated now. Dope show.

[ron the dial]

amazing tournament. great final night. i love the belt.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Maybe I'm old-school, but I like the old Cruiserweight Championship belt (of the World) better, although that's not a knock on the new design. The purple and silver scheme looks nice.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The belt is purple to go with the welts on TJ Perkins chest. Jesus fucking Christ.

What a night, what an event. I know the cruisers are going on Raw and NXT, but they'll likely only get a segment at most. I really hope they do this again next year. I think even the worst matches had a cut above the usual quality.

[Dark One]

I've changed my mind on TJP.

I dated a Filipino girl once, and her family cooked terrible food. TJP gives me flashbacks to terrible rancid fish pasta.

Bring back Kendrick. He reminds me of greasy pizza.

[erickman]

damn the tna guys are doing good in wwe that's an invasion I want to see

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They aren't TNA guys after the way Itscrap Wrestling Shitshow treated them.

[Simple Fan]

damn the tna guys are doing good in wwe that's an invasion I want to see

Really surprised at the success that guys from TNA are having. AJ Styles is the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, Samoa Joe is former NXT Champion, and TJP is the WWE Cruiserweight Champion. Not to mention guys like Roode, Aries, and Young.

Don't think an invasion is really necessary with them. There is some truth to what STD said. If TNA had used these guys right instead of pushing the latest WWE release then TNA might actually be competition. WWE has done a great job with all of them and have really let them be themselves but have backed them up with the booking.

If they were to form a group of ex TNA guys together I think The New Alliance would be a great name though. Throwback to the Alliance and has that TNA wink to it.

[VSG]

I've changed my mind on TJP.

I dated a Filipino girl once, and her family cooked terrible food. TJP gives me flashbacks to terrible rancid fish pasta.

Bring back Kendrick. He reminds me of greasy pizza.

Thought this was a DAMN iNATOR post. Then I remembered he doesn't date anyone.

[XL]

Really surprised at the success that guys from TNA are having. AJ Styles is the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, Samoa Joe is former NXT Champion, and TJP is the WWE Cruiserweight Champion. Not to mention guys like Roode, Aries, and Young.

Don't think an invasion is really necessary with them. There is some truth to what STD said. If TNA had used these guys right instead of pushing the latest WWE release then TNA might actually be competition. WWE has done a great job with all of them and have really let them be themselves but have backed them up with the booking.

If they were to form a group of ex TNA guys together I think The New Alliance would be a great name though. Throwback to the Alliance and has that TNA wink to it.
Completely unfair comparison. All but Perkins had really stellar careers in TNA with longevity to boot. Roode has been used well for 2 months in NXT, he has in TNA for, what, 11 years? Props to WWE for using AJ in a way that most wrestling fans have known he was capable of for a decade, and during that time he had some major success with TNA. Granted there were times when he was misused, but let's see if the same isn't true of his WWE career when we get to 2026.

And the idea that "using these guys right" would have made TNA into serious competition is bogus. TNA gave all of these guys a platform to further their careers when WWE had no interest in them. It's only now WWE have done such a poor job with their home grown talent that these guys are getting the chance. And of course anything with the WWE seal of approval looks better than they do elsewhere, that's what WWE has done since the 80s.

[Emperor Smeat]

Next CWC tournament has the potential of being a women's based one according to PWI.

There is already talk of doing a similar CWC style series in 2017, perhaps focusing on female talents. There's been early discussion of doing something in the first quarter of 2017 but that was nowhere written in stone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched the finals without seeing even the entire first round. A great story told here. Kota Ibushi and Zack Sabre, Jr. going out early made sense if they haven't signed contracts, and honestly, Gran Metalik seems like he's better than ZSJ anyway.

Perkins got some major stuff down. He's managed to get "Kneebar" over and he's got souped-up versions of it. He came off as really well spoken. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights a bit -- like he lacks real charisma, you know? But in the ring and on the mic he is very good, so he'll fill the space he needs to well. The story told here made him seem like a "legit" star, but it'll be interesting to see how that goes on the main roster.

Love Johnny Gargano & Tommaso Ciampa as a team. Please keep them together WWE. I liked how they got time to let everything breathe on this show. They let stuff stew and brought out Corey Graves and William Regal for that extra padding. Good stuff and it felt legit.

Triple H just HAD to get himself over with this thing though didn't he? He put Regal out there too, but man, Mauro and Regal just HAD to name-drop him as the mastermind and he just had to come out and present the Cruiserweight Title to whoever won. Like, fair-played that he's really trying to get himself over as a guy who can do this, but there's a lot of ego in these things too, and people just lap it up.

[Simple Fan]

Wouldn't mind a women's tournament in the CWC format but would really like to see the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic set up like that instead of being NXT only.

[GD]

In a way, I am glad that they're not associating the new WWE Cruiserweight Championship with the older WCW/WWE Cruiserweight Championship of the World.

Top 2 reasons

#1. The weight limit for the new belt is lower than the previous strap.
#2. Hornswoggle and a select few (somewhat) tarnished the legacy of the belt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A women's tournament would be fantastic.

* Alpha Female (Germany)
* Arisa Nakajima (Japan)
* Ayako Hamada (Japan/Mexico)
* Blue Pants (United States)
* Candice LeRae (Canada)
* Cheerleader Melissa (United States)
* Evie (New Zealand)
* Goya Kong (Mexico)
* Hannah Blossom (England)
* Heidi Lovelace (United States)
* Holly Blossom (England)
* Kellie Skater (Australia)
* Kimber Lee (United States)
* Leah Vaughn (Canada)
* LuFisto (Canada)
* Madison Eagles (Australia)
* Makoto (Japan)
* Melanie Cruise (United States)
* Nicole Mathews (Canada)
* Nikki Cross (Scotland)
* Portia Perez (Canada)
* Santana Garrett (United States)
* Sara Amato (United States)
* Sarah Stock (Canada)
* Saraya Knight (England)
* Savannah Summers (Australia)
* Shazza McKenzie (Australia)
* Siloueta (Mexico)
* Vanessa Kraven (Canada)
* Victoria (United States)
* Xochitl Hamada (Japan/Mexico)
* Zeuxis (Mexico)

It's mainly Canada, Australia and the US there, but you can easily bump out a few Aussies or Canadians for some more South American talent, an African one and more from Europe/Asia too.

[VSG]

Triple H just HAD to get himself over with this thing though didn't he? He put Regal out there too, but man, Mauro and Regal just HAD to name-drop him as the mastermind and he just had to come out and present the Cruiserweight Title to whoever won. Like, fair-played that he's really trying to get himself over as a guy who can do this, but there's a lot of ego in these things too, and people just lap it up.

He HAS to. Vince isn't in the best of health and when the time comes, the shareholders will freak out. HHH has to be selfish and get his credentials out there to set up a precedent as a manager and overall director.

I don't doubt there may be personal motivations but I have no issues here.

[mike adamle]

Looks like they're bringing back the Dusty Rhodes classic. Dunno if they're just keeping it NXT or if they're branching out like this though.

[Simple Fan]

I'd say it will be another NXT thing as if it was going to be like the CWC then there would probably be a lot more news about it. If so I'd like to see Roode and Aries as a team and possibly even win the thing. Nakamura and Itami could be a team plus TM61,Revival, and Authors of Pain. Should be a good tournament how ever it goes down.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, think the Dusty tournament will culminate at NXT Toronto.

[Simple Fan]

Even more reason to have Roode win the thing. Not sure who Joe would team with this year though. Maybe someone from the CWC like Tazawa or Kendick.

[mike adamle]

I'd try to have Joe team up with a bigger name like Brock Lesnar or The Undertaker

[mike adamle]

Maybe they could bring Kharma back to be Joe's partner/sister

[Anybody Thrilla]

If the rumors of Ibushi and Sabre not sticking around after the tournament are true, I think it would be a waste to put either of them over in the final. I'm Team TJ tonight.

Just caught up, and all I have to say is FUCK YES! :y::y::y:

[Fignuts]

Think people are overreacting to the triple h thing. Not like he came out and cut a 20 minute promo on how great he is.

Frankly, if he was the mastermind behind this, he deserves a couple minutes to pat himself on the back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It really left a sour taste, that's all.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought it was a cool way to debut the new cruiserweight title. Who else should that have been? Definitely didn't ruin what was an otherwise fantastic tournament.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Honestly, Metallik and Perkins probably appreciated a few more minutes to recuperate from their previous matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It didn't ruin it, it was just ego-soaking. They may have appreciated the minutes, but they might have also appreciated being allowed to go while they were ready or before they cooled down completely. I don't know, but I'm not talking about them anyway -- I'm specifically talking about how Triple H uses NXT/CWC/the Women's Division to appeal to smarks, when a few years ago those were the very same things he would bury in order to get a pop for himself or whatever.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well I give him credit for trying different things. Seems like he really cares about the business.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he does care about the business, but I think he also cares tremendously about how he is perceived in it. Hey, he's human -- but I don't buy this "Triple H is a selfless wrestling god with the love of the fans informing everything he does" myth. That's all. If he does what is best for business because he's an egomaniac, he's still doing what's best for business. But I think he'll always do what is right for himself at the end of the day -- that's why he's survived and it's why he's managed to become the de facto replacement for Vince.

[screech]

What an amazing tournament.

Wasn't big on Perkins at the start, but he really grew on me. Happy he won.

[screech]

But goddammit that crowd was terrible.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It really left a sour taste, that's all.

The crowd went nuts for the announcement. Made the match all the better. He has, for the most part, cooled off in NXT making appearances. He has always made the moments more special though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Perkins' little moments on the mic were really well done. I don't know if he's that well spoken or someone helped him put them together, but kudos to whoever was behind that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm sure we'll get a future documentary called "Behind the CWC" that makes sure to show Triple H coaching Perkins on his promos.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What an amazing tournament.

Wasn't big on Perkins at the start, but he really grew on me. Happy he won.

They really wanted ZSJ Vs. Ibushi. I don't blame them. Shouldn't have had non-contracted guys make it that far. They did a major disservice. They should have had a 3rd place match instead of that tag.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I fucking hate some of those chants. Ugh.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

One of those chants gave a guy a contract.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Are you talking about Cedric Alexander? As if he wasn't going to be signed in the first place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I will point out the effectiveness of presenting things in this "realistic" manner. People actually buy that this got Cedric Alexander signed because whoever said that (Mauro, Bryan, Triple H -- I can't remember) are lended an authenticity that the world of professional wrestling usually doesn't have, and it seems like people actually bought it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On the note of Cedric Alexander: I would like to see an Alexander vs. Caprice Coleman feud on the main roster. Have Coleman attack Alexander and talk about how Alexander took his mentoring and used it to springboard to the main roster and left Coleman in the dust.

At first, Alexander doesn't want to fight Coleman. It leads to Old Man Coleman coming out and slapping Alexander in the face and insulting him on real personal levels to get some hatred out of him. Eventually, Coleman says something that makes Alexander snap and you've got yourself a great PPV mid-card match.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Did Coleman sign? I think Cedric outclasses him by some distance.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Kinda wish Veda Scott would have come with Cedric, though. She just really fucking does it for me.

[Simple Fan]

Did Coleman sign? I think Cedric outclasses him by some distance.

Nah, he's still in ROH in a stable called The Cabinet with Rhett Titus and Kenny King. Kind of a Donald Trump gimmick trying to make wrestling great again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did Coleman sign? I think Cedric outclasses him by some distance.

Coleman hasn't signed, I'd just like to see it. I liked Coleman when I saw him on Velocity a few years ago. He reminded me of a skinnier Shelton Benjamin, whereas there was this guy whose name is at the tip of my tongue that reminded me of a skinnier Charlie Haas. I always wanted to see them team up, lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kinda wish Veda Scott would have come with Cedric, though. She just really fucking does it for me.

I heard an interview with Veda Scott a few months ago and it sounded like she had no interest in signing. But I'm not sure if that's just because she hasn't had a serious offer made to her.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Russell Simpson was that jobber's name, for those wondering:

http://obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/p/psychosimpson/01.jpg

[mike adamle]

Triple H coming out to present the title is great. No reason to complain about that of all things... "That dastardly Triple H putting over this cruiserweight title and the competitors in the awesome tournament that everyone loved that he put together. What a selfish prick!"

[mike adamle]

On the note of Cedric Alexander: I would like to see an Alexander vs. Caprice Coleman feud on the main roster. Have Coleman attack Alexander and talk about how Alexander took his mentoring and used it to springboard to the main roster and left Coleman in the dust.

and you've got yourself a great PPV mid-card match.

So you basically want to have the same storyline Owens-Zayn have, just replace mentor with tag team partner.

And Coleman is so bland... you're not gonna get a good match out of him... especially on WWE ppv...

I just don't get it. You complain nonstop lately about how WWE is terrible, and one of your solutions is to bring Caprice Coleman in to feud with Cedric Alexander...

[Anybody Thrilla]

Nah, he's still in ROH in a stable called The Cabinet with Rhett Titus and Kenny King. Kind of a Donald Trump gimmick trying to make wrestling great again.

Yeah, I've been watching. They fucking suck. I liked Kenny King in TNA when he was with MVP and Lashley, but he's lost a lot of luster in this stable. Also, Rhett Titus is super annoying to even look at. They're all so over-the-top, but not in a good way. Like a "LOOK HOW HARD WE ARE TRYING" way. It's dumb as fuck.

I was watching a Caprice Coleman/Dalton Castle match the other day, and Dalton was showing how to do over-the-top the right way. Caprice came off as a knob. And yes, I know he was a heel. But he wasn't very effective, I don't feel.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, are they not aware that JBL's stable was also called The Cabinet? Or does the seven year rule apply to stable names too?

[Simple Fan]

Not liking them either. They definitely are not making wrestling great again. Like Kenny as well and him and Titus alone as the All Night Express are lot better. Never been impressed with Colemen either, does always seem like he's trying to hard and The Cabinet really shows it. Also wondered why they went with The Cabinet as the name.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Are they really trying to piggyback off of Donald Trump's heel heat?

[Simple Fan]

I guess, kind of weird with group of guys that they have. The make wrestling great again thing is just kind of cheap. Doesn't seem like it fits any of their characters.

[Anybody Thrilla]

And why on earth would you need a "Minister of Information"? Just sounds stupid.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah it's silly but bad silly. Would rather see King and Titus with Matt Taven in the new Kingdom Taven keeps talking about.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So you basically want to have the same storyline Owens-Zayn have, just replace mentor with tag team partner.

And Coleman is so bland... you're not gonna get a good match out of him... especially on WWE ppv...

I just don't get it. You complain nonstop lately about how WWE is terrible, and one of your solutions is to bring Caprice Coleman in to feud with Cedric Alexander...

Yeah, a wrestling feud. Fancy that.

You're right. I shouldn't have claimed that it would save the entire WWE. Oh wait -- I didn't.

[XL]

Did he say you claimed that?

[Mr. Nerfect]

He changes scope with his last sentence. He relates me being slightly amused by the idea of Caprice Coleman coming in as someone to enhance Cedric Alexander to my general disposition on the entire company. It not only doesn't really make sense, but implicit in it is the idea that I am somehow linking that specific idea with overall quality. I wasn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But I may have misinterpreted what he meant. If he meant he didn't like the idea, he could have said "Nah, that's shit," and I'd probably agree most days, but the last sentence threw me.

[XL]

Not sure what he implies, but he explicitly says "one of your solutions" which itself implies that he knows it's one idea and not what you consider to be the panacea to all of WWE's ills.

Think you might have gone on the defensive a little too hard.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eh, I'll accept that. Sorry, mike adamle.

[mike adamle]

He changes scope with his last sentence. He relates me being slightly amused by the idea of Caprice Coleman coming in as someone to enhance Cedric Alexander to my general disposition on the entire company. It not only doesn't really make sense, but implicit in it is the idea that I am somehow linking that specific idea with overall quality. I wasn't.

Having an ROH jobber come in to "enhance" Cedric Alexander???:wtf::wtf::wtf:

I get that they had a tag team in ROH (2 years ago...) but WWE doesn't have a clue who Caprice Coleman is, neither do the fans... neither do most of ROH's fans for that matter.

Talk about not making sense.

And whether you're "comparing" it or not you're suggesting the idea of bringing in Caprice Coleman, which would suggest that would be one of the things you would do to turn Raw into something you would enjoy more.

[mike adamle]

Eh, I'll accept that. Sorry, mike adamle.

I accept your apology. I get what I said might not be what you wanted to hear, but lately you've been a little delusional. I'm not trying to get under your skin, moreso just trying to get you to understand that not everyone has the taste for what you want.

You act like it's WWE's fault that it's not catering to you sometimes. It gets annoying. Just try to relax man. This is a wrestling forum where people come to talk about what they enjoy. Sure there are also criticisms to be made. But coming into every thread and derailing it with "man if you like WWE right now you must like eating shit too. If they brought in the team of Caprice Coleman and Tom Phillips and had Kevin Owens manage them and put Ivory on as their agent for every segment that'd help!" Like no one cares about that man. I'll give you the Kevin Owens thing, it is a suggestion for something current (even if I completely disagree with it) but the rest of it just makes everyone like at you like "come on dude."

I doubt you'll take any of what I said and use it but at least I tried. Hope you come back around to fun loving Noid. Sorry you're going through a rough time. Hope all is well.

[Innovator]

Rich Swann, TJP, THE Brian Kendrick, and Jack Gallagher are backstage on RAW

[Mr. Nerfect]

Having an ROH jobber come in to "enhance" Cedric Alexander???:wtf::wtf::wtf:

I get that they had a tag team in ROH (2 years ago...) but WWE doesn't have a clue who Caprice Coleman is, neither do the fans... neither do most of ROH's fans for that matter.

Talk about not making sense.

And whether you're "comparing" it or not you're suggesting the idea of bringing in Caprice Coleman, which would suggest that would be one of the things you would do to turn Raw into something you would enjoy more.

That's why you turn it into a story. You explain who this guy is, like you have to explain who everybody is. You can sell him as the "trainer" to Coleman, if you'd like. Alexander can do sit-down interviews with Michael Cole and explain that it breaks his heart that his friend can't be happy for him making it to the WWE. He had to trim down 22lbs to even get a shot, and a guy who helped teach him is so bitter he has come along to try and shit on his parade. Coleman can do interviews where he says that they were supposed to make it the WWE as a tag team, but Alexander got the CWC spot and WWE had no interest in him because of his age. He spent so much time grooming Alexander to help him make a living on the indies, but now he's got no partner, no friend and nothing left to lose.

You don't mention that he's a jobber -- like you don't mention Sami Zayn was a masked luchador in ROH, or like you don't mention Triple H is an aristocrat anymore. I like the idea of guys having personalized opponents -- guys that are there for the specific function of getting another guy over or telling a specific story. It's an old-school thing, but I think it would still work today.

I'd honestly prefer that to Cedric Alexander working the same match with Jack Gallagher every week, as much as I do love Jack Gallagher. I'm calling for more personal stories that are designed to get the few guys you have that could become compelling attractions, if not "stars." The current WWE style of everybody just plugging in is not going to change, but I think it would be something that would dramatically help.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I accept your apology. I get what I said might not be what you wanted to hear, but lately you've been a little delusional. I'm not trying to get under your skin, moreso just trying to get you to understand that not everyone has the taste for what you want.

You act like it's WWE's fault that it's not catering to you sometimes. It gets annoying. Just try to relax man. This is a wrestling forum where people come to talk about what they enjoy. Sure there are also criticisms to be made. But coming into every thread and derailing it with "man if you like WWE right now you must like eating shit too. If they brought in the team of Caprice Coleman and Tom Phillips and had Kevin Owens manage them and put Ivory on as their agent for every segment that'd help!" Like no one cares about that man. I'll give you the Kevin Owens thing, it is a suggestion for something current (even if I completely disagree with it) but the rest of it just makes everyone like at you like "come on dude."

I doubt you'll take any of what I said and use it but at least I tried. Hope you come back around to fun loving Noid. Sorry you're going through a rough time. Hope all is well.

Not everybody has to like what I want. I've said countless times "Like it all you want," and I do sincerely mean that. But I've become so frustrated by how poor the current product is that I've lost patience for it, and I'm going to point it out. You say I'm "delusional," but I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that the product is largely stale.

Maybe the mistake I'm making is watching old wrestling, listening to people who know wrestling talk about why it isn't working, and listening to SCG Radio podcasts about the Attitude era? I've become nostalgic for a time when I didn't even watch, because things used to matter.

And thanks for asking, but everything is wonderful. Right back at you, man. By the way, just so you know, while I stand by points about the product being stale -- a lot of my ideas are suggested somewhat in jest -- eg. when I fantasy-booked Renee Young to a Royal Rumble victory. I don't actually want to see that happen. I think I should just clarify that I come on here to shoot the breeze about wrestling, not audition for a Writers Guild Award. And my perceived anger is largely gimmick. I don't hold genuine malice towards anyone. :kiss:

That being said, wrestling is currently shit.