Wonder Woman (2017)

[slik]

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[Lock Jaw]

Really hoping that this will be good. Trailer looks good, and doesn't give too much away.

:heart: Gal Gadot and think she looks really good in the role.

Think it is a bit "weird" that they decided against a "modern story" and are instead doing a "period piece"...... I love things set in the past, so whatever...... just seems to me that it would "simplify things" to just have introduced Diana into man's world in the present or the near past...

Also means that her supporting cast (Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, etc) will all be deceased come any movie set in modern times....

[Shadow]

Looks like they wanna make this their Captain America The First Avenger type movie. Might work out that way if so.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I like that it's a period piece. Helps with her character and why she was in hiding for so long prior to BvS. We will see.

[Rammsteinmad]

Never really cared much for Wonder Woman to be honest. Nothing about this trailer interested me.

[Simple Fan]

I like it. Gal Gadot is perfect as Wonder Women and I like that it's set during WWI. I'd imagine it would catch up with recent events at the end of the film.

[Ruien]

Looks really good. Will probably see this in theaters. She was good in Bat vs Sup too.

[drave]

Never really cared much for Wonder Woman to be honest. Nothing about this trailer interested me.

I think you are just a miserable MAD sod. You are never happy with much of anything when posting on the TPWW Social Experience Vol. 2.0


I've never been big on WW, but this movie looks fucking great. Probably going to see it. Not going to look into her history either, want to "go in blind" or w/e.

[Malfeitor]

I was in the room for the Wonder Woman panel. Having never read a WW comic in my life, hearing Jim Lee and Gal Gadot talk about the character has definitely got me interested. They hooked my wife and I up with exclusive Wonder Woman Rebirth variants and I'm stoked as fuck to read it. I'm also stoked as fuck to see this movie.

[Rammsteinmad]

I think you are just a miserable MAD sod. You are never happy with much of anything when posting on the TPWW Social Experience Vol. 2.0


I've never been big on WW, but this movie looks fucking great. Probably going to see it. Not going to look into her history either, want to "go in blind" or w/e.

I'm just glad that somebody actually notices my posts. :wave:

[Emperor Smeat]

Trailer looked pretty good overall.

Not too familiar with the comics but does she actually have an origin story taking place in World War I or is it because the studio doesn't want it to look like they are copying Captain America if it occured during World War II?

[VSG]

The latter

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah it should have been WWII but the parallels are already way too First Avenger.

Guessing Ares is the villain?

[Lock Jaw]

Trailer looked pretty good overall.

Not too familiar with the comics but does she actually have an origin story taking place in World War I or is it because the studio doesn't want it to look like they are copying Captain America if it occured during World War II?

The original Wonder Woman was created in WW2 and was a member of the Justice Society. Later this was retconned into being Wonder Woman's mother Hippolyta who became Wonder Woman briefly in the present and traveled back in time to become the Wonder Woman who was active during WW2.

[Lock Jaw]

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Still "interested" in this movie.....

[slik]

looks really good

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah.... still seems "weird" that they made it a "period piece", but I love old timey things, so whatever.

[Lock Jaw]

Speaking of Wonder Woman...... just finished reading Brian Azarello's run on Wonder Woman...... thought it was great......

[Emperor Smeat]

DC might be having another problem based on early screening results of the film. Involves a side character being seen as the best character in the film and not Wonder Woman.

Chris Pine as Steve Trevor is the best character in the movie and overshadows Wonder Woman hard at times.

Came from a NeoGAF thread about early screening results of the film.

Main complaints seems to be the story itself ranging between meh to average/generic, probably wasn't a good idea to have Wonder Woman be in Batman vs Superman since it sort of messes up this film's story, and how the tie-ins to Batman vs Superman and Justice League were done.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn.... was holding out hope for this movie (for some reason, despite the track record)

Too bad that having cool supporting characters won't do jack for Wonder Woman in the long run, since in the present day her supporting cast will be all dead. One of the reasons why it is weird they went with a WWI period piece.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lol. Boy nothing is going right for this studio

[Kalyx triaD]

And this is why WB should not have excluded male directors and tried to make some kind of point.

If this movie is really meh, there little social experiment will backfire. Ala Ghostbusters. Controversy that didn't need to happen.

I am not saying it's because a female directed this, I'm just saying the grandstanding gesture during the director search will add hurt. On top of it being ironically sexist. This is my same fear for Jessica Jones S2 and Captain Marvel.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Marvel has built up such good will its hard to ever imagine something of theirs tanking.

As for Wonder Woman, the situation above sounds like a disaster. We've waited who knows how long for a WW film, and the first one we get may not be the strong story and character film that is probably needed, which is sad.

Oh well.

[Emperor Smeat]

Read more reactions and it does seem like something that could be hit-or-miss based on your view or interest in Wonder Woman.

Visually it seems to be DC's best film and might be their best film overall but also because previous films were average/poor for comparisons.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wonder-woman/news/a821677/wonder-woman-fan-screening-reactions/

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I remember the post early screening buzz of Suicide Squad, which ultimately meant nothing.

I hope this is good but have no faith in it.

[Lock Jaw]

For some reason I still have hope for it.....

Maybe because I like Gal Gadot and think that she has the best look/costume out of all the DC movie people right now.

Also because I like period/wartime movies. (Even though, as I stated before, it doesn't really make sense to have done it for Wonder Woman)

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'm hoping it's good. Just not sure I can invest faith.

[Seanny One Ball]

It'll surprise people because it's fresh and relatively untainted territory.
Plus Gal Gadot is pretty cool.

[Destor]

Trailer looks real solid.

[Lock Jaw]

I am still hopefully optimistic about this movie

[mitch_h]

I remember the post early screening buzz of Suicide Squad, which ultimately meant nothing.

I hope this is good but have no faith in it.

http://www.slashfilm.com/batman-v-superman-reactions/

[mitchables]

Extremely here for this movie. I have great optimistic hope for it, despite DC's track record so far.

Also it is not hard to imagine Marvel making something that tanks, especially since they just did. Would be good if people stopped blindly forgiving Marvel's shittier moments and being so gleeful in their takedowns of DC's films tbh.

[Destor]

Extremely here for this movie. I have great optimistic hope for it, despite DC's track record so far.

Also it is not hard to imagine Marvel making something that tanks, especially since they just did. Would be good if people stopped blindly forgiving Marvel's shittier moments and being so gleeful in their takedowns of DC's films tbh.
Neither brand has had anything that tanked. BvS hurt stock prices but thats about it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What marvel movie tanked?

[Wishbone]

He's referring to the Iron Fist Netflix show which is being torn apart in early reviews. That said DC lost me with Suicide Squad when it comes to their movies. Not even gonna bother to check this out unless I hear it getting absolutely stellar reviews, and even then I'll probably wait until it hits the dollar theater or Redbox.

[Destor]

Something that hasnt released can't tank. Also tanking means failing to make money...

Its def been panned though

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I feel like tanking can take on different meanings but if Iron Fist doesn't do well I don't think marvel blinks.

D.C. needs Wonder Woman to do well. They're investing a lot into it with Wonder Woman being featured in 3 films over the course of a year.

[Wishbone]

Eh, I was just pointing out what he was probably referring to. I don't really care much one way or the other about Iron Fist honestly.

I also gotta agree with Damian Rey here. Even if Iron Fist did flop Marvel likely wouldn't be phased by it. DC on the other hand can't afford another miss. They've lost too much ground as is. They absolutely need a hit on their hands at this point.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's hard to gauge what does and doesn't flop on Netflix since it doesn't publicize views like that (interesting if it did). Also, the media is kinda giving it and the star a hard time over him being white for reasons that only exist because of current bullshit in entertainment critique. We'll know when it's out, but the most consistent thing I've read is it drags along a bit so that may well be the case. And no matter - Marvel can afford to merely be 'good' at this point. Their weakest Netflix show is still weak in the context of all very good shows. The reviews seem like a case of godfall to me, everybody looks for failure after a string of hits.

[Destor]

Eh, I was just pointing out what he was probably referring to. I don't really care much one way or the other about Iron Fist honestly.

I also gotta agree with Damian Rey here. Even if Iron Fist did flop Marvel likely wouldn't be phased by it. DC on the other hand can't afford another miss. They've lost too much ground as is. They absolutely need a hit on their hands at this point.
Well I think its hard to disagree with that. Iron Fist it a small cog in the marvel machine, Wonder Woman is a critical element in rebounding the struggling studio.

[Kalyx triaD]

So a theater in Texas is holding a screening for women only and they seem to be oblivious as to why this is making people angry.

[Destor]

The irony is strong

[Big Vic]

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[Rammsteinmad]

I figured the lack of heavy promotion was due to the fact that everyone involved had pretty much lost all enthusiasm for the DC universe.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I call bs on that. Times square was plastered with Wonder Woman adds. Gal Gadot has been on several talk shows to promote the film with clips, trailer spots are on tv, the trailer itself has been featured heavily in theaters, MTV had a spot for it, and there's toys and merch everywhere.

Pretty sure people know this movie is coming out.

[Ruien]

I actually didn't know the date until I read that. I figu4ed it was coming out today for some reason.

Feel like I see a lot of internet adds though. Who watches regular television now a days?

[Destor]

That Fbook post is just lies tbh

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Indeed. Wonder Woman has been all over social media looking beautiful. I'd marry Gal Gadot for the record

[Fignuts]

FAKE NEWS

[Ruien]

I can't wait for a male only audience for the Thor movie coming out. Going to be insane. Dicks everywhere.

[slik]

So a theater in Texas is holding a screening for women only and they seem to be oblivious as to why this is making people angry.

Who cares? It's the first female driven superhero flick. It's one screening, who cares?

[Destor]

Who cares? It's the first female driven superhero flick. It's one screening, who cares?

Everyome who is annoyed by hypocrisy

[Kalyx triaD]

Who cares? It's the first female driven superhero flick. It's one screening, who cares?

They would care, if you reverse the gender.

[Kalyx triaD]

Also wtf: WW is everywhere. Ads, tie-ins, trailers on youtube, c'mon now.

[slik]

They would care, if you reverse the gender.

It's one screening, of the first female-driven superhero flick in history. It's not a big deal, at all. Of all the problems in the world, it's not one.

[slik]

The gender would never be reversed in this instance because there have been 80,000 action films starring male leads and every other superhero flick since superhero flicks became 'all the rage' thanks to Iron Man/The Dark Knight have starred a male lead.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah.... agree with slik..... not a big deal..... good marketing ploy actually.... if it was regular women only screenings then that would be dumb..... but just one screening.... whatever....

[Kalyx triaD]

It's one screening, of the first female-driven superhero flick in history. It's not a big deal, at all. Of all the problems in the world, it's not one.

Reverse the genders... and it would be.

The gender would never be reversed in this instance because there have been 80,000 action films starring male leads and every other superhero flick since superhero flicks became 'all the rage' thanks to Iron Man/The Dark Knight have starred a male lead.

So? There's never been a boy/man exclusive screening for any of them. Any of them. Not for charity, not for anything. So... Black Panther should do this with black people? Have you any idea the shitstorm this sets? Think beyond the cheap stunt.

[Blonde Moment]

Reverse the genders... and it would be.



So? There's never been a boy/man exclusive screening for any of them. Any of them. Not for charity, not for anything. So... Black Panther should do this with black people? Have you any idea the shitstorm this sets? Think beyond the cheap stunt.

Hard to say with the way things are going in the US recently. With the slight push by some minorities for segregated areas on campuses, Muslims unofficially supporting Muslim only buildings, male only coffee shops and patrolling neighborhoods, strange days are coming.

[The Rogerer]

It's shit if it happens but it isn't strange. There's loads of gender segregation in the history of our countries, and some still exists. We just seemingly had a brief blip where it wobbled.

[Kalyx triaD]

Like women only gym nights.

[Fignuts]

Reverse the genders... and it would be.



So? There's never been a boy/man exclusive screening for any of them. Any of them. Not for charity, not for anything. So... Black Panther should do this with black people? Have you any idea the shitstorm this sets? Think beyond the cheap stunt.

If it was a regular occurance, it might. One screening on one night, is just going to ruffle a small group of people's feathers. The majority of the country won't even hear about this.

[Fignuts]

Majoriyy of Texas probably won't even hear about this.

[Ruien]

Is it a big deal? No. But that does not make it right.

[Ruien]

Can't wait for the next whites only movie. Everyone else needs to wait 1 extra day before seeing Spiderman.

[Ruien]

Can a transvestite go into the woman only movie?

[Destor]

If I identify as a woman can I watch too?

[Fignuts]

Is it a big deal? No. But that does not make it right.

Ok. And?

[Kalyx triaD]

Can a transvestite go into the woman only movie?

If I identify as a woman can I watch too?

Actually yes they will allow female identifying persons.

That could allow for some interesting logic trolling.

[KIRA]

Y'know after some thought I have zero problems with any of this.

Seems kinda cool tbh

[Kalyx triaD]

Ok. And?

I don't think you're taking the current social political climate into consideration here.

Our point is we actually do not mind this, only that any reverse event with the exact same elements (only one night, for charity, etc) would not be dismissed as it is now. It would be a national outrage and likely shut down. Violently if trends are consistent.

[Kalyx triaD]

Either things like this are a problem, or they're 'no big deal'.

[Destor]

Either things like this are a problem, or they're 'no big deal'.
And for clarity they should be no big deal

[Kalyx triaD]

I agree. Again, our issue isn't this event itself. It's the double standard.

Double standards and hypocrisy are in fact big deals. We're only highlighting the rules set before us.

[Destor]

While I think what they are doing is wrong, I don't think any government intervention should stop them from doing so.
I def wasnt implying they get raided

[Swiss Ultimate]

Dudes are going to show up and tell them they identify as women. Not a big deal.

[Vastardikai]

I feel like it needs to be pointed out the following:

1. Wonder Woman is considered part of the DC Trinity (Alongside Superman and Batman).

2. Wonder Woman is a feminist Icon, up there with Rosie the Riveter and stuff like that.

3. Wonder Woman is the least represented part of the DC Universe, with the above two points considered. Before this movie, She had (for her own stuff) a failed Pilot, the classic series with Linda Carter, and an Animated Movie. That's it. Timmverse Batman alone is bigger than WW's entire stand alone programs/movies. (seriously, Batman: TAS, Batman: The Series, New Batman Adventues, and Batman Beyond). Batman's movies (not even counting animated movies) triple it. Batman's animated movies triple it if not quadruple it. Superman's movies alone double it. And Superman TV shows also double it.

And this isn't counting stuff like Superfriends, Justice League, and Batman vs. Superman that has her in the ensemble.

And when you consider how Comic Fans treat casuals and outsiders (Read: Women), yeah I get a fucking Women Only screening or two. Hell, it shouldn't be limited to just one theater in the country.

And sadly, I also get why Kaylx's drawers are in a twist.

[Kalyx triaD]

Women aren't treated as outsiders. Certain people come in, demand changes within the subculture, thus putting themselves as outsiders. Nothing ever could stop a women from being a comic fan. Nothing. The entry fee is the price of a comic, the viewership of a movie or animated series. You can't stop anyone from being a part of the culture.

What happens is some moralizing holier than thou type comes in and uses the medium to press their preset ideals and when they get called out; "Women aren't accepted", "Minorities aren't accepted", "Casuals aren't accepted", etc. This happened in gaming, it happened in STEM, it happened in many other industries and cultures.

And when we find the punk ass kid who harasses the only girl in an Overwatch team, or the one professor who makes a slightly sexist joke about women in research, they hype it up as standards of how women are treated - even though we'd have women in these very cultures/industries saying otherwise. 10 women saying their gaming experience online is alright for some reason pales to one or two who got trolled. It's an unfair and disingenuous standard.

Taking it back to the WW movie, I agree with Vastar's three points about Diana. She had a TV series ages ago, one animated movie, a failed TV pilot, and though a main player in certain cartoons - still just a co-star to guys who already had loads of movies. I totally get all that. That's why it was awesome to see her take on Doomsday in live-action. She's getting her due and her movie looks good. It just feels good that she looks to be the one to save the DC movie-verse.

However:

None of that explains how we accept a women's only screening when it would be unacceptable on the other foot. "Hey we're gonna have a boy's only screening of My Little Pony. We just created a bunch of new male characters and it'll be great to have fathers and boys enjoy this exclusively to show MLP is inclusive in all directions."

Same argument. Just as sweet and well intentioned. It would be shut down. Hasbro would be harassed and slandered all over social media. You wouldn't have time to read all the blogs attacking Hasbro and whichever theater participated in the event.

So you can make it sound as reasonable as possible; I'm saying that it still wouldn't please people in reverse. We're not just talking people who protested against men's victim centers, zealots will zealot. Even mass media and normal people just wouldn't dig a men's only anything - and perhaps rightfully so. Even your own example, Vas, included the idea that women didn't belong in gaming. That wasn't even a personally backed example of yours and it still has shades of how things would look if this was in reverse.

[Emperor Smeat]

In regards to the Alamo theater controversy, the movie theater recently gave an explanation for why they are holding this special Women's Only event.

http://i.imgur.com/KzcXqKE.png

Ended up becoming three screenings because of the sudden huge demand the theater got for tickets.

[Kalyx triaD]

The dismissal will not bode well for future complaints of sexist gestures.

Like I said, people are only playing the game they set. Ironically, the theater's responce is the response we all should of had the moment activists started screeching the last five years. The problem is we didn't then, but will now because 'lol men complaining'.

[Kalyx triaD]

And the theater knows they won't do anything like that for men and boys, no matter how a character relates to the gender. He-Man will absolutely not have a male exclusive premier.

[slik]

I like how the significance of the character, as a female empowerment icon, dating back to WWII and throughout the not-so-distant past when women weren't allowed to work or be equal to men has been mentioned repeatedly alongside A) this obviously won't happen for every film in history nor has it and B) it's a whopping three screenings has not deterred you from being very focused on this issue.


Since the above things don't seem to "land" with you, let's change focus to this, Kalyx:

1. How are you personally affected by these screenings?
2. Do you live in the area and were you deadset on attending this particular cinema at the exact time the screenings are happening?
3. Did you ask a woman to see this film with you and did she break your heart and say "No. I am attending this screening for women only. Goodbye Forever Kalyx Triad"?

[Destor]

I like how the significance of the character, as a female empowerment icon, dating back to WWII and throughout the not-so-distant past when women weren't allowed to work or be equal to men has been mentioned repeatedly alongside A) this obviously won't happen for every film in history nor has it and B) it's a whopping three screenings has not deterred you from being very focused on this issue.


Since the above things don't seem to "land" with you, let's change focus to this, Kalyx:

1. How are you personally affected by these screenings?
2. Do you live in the area and were you deadset on attending this particular cinema at the exact time the screenings are happening?
3. Did you ask a woman to see this film with you and did she break your heart and say "No. I am attending this screening for women only. Goodbye Forever Kalyx Triad"?
Ever seen a two way street?

[Kalyx triaD]

In the spirit of the point I'm making, I'm gonna answer these personally, and also hypothetically, since the idea is how this would be taken in reverse.

Since the above things don't seem to "land" with you, let's change focus to this, Kalyx:

1. How are you personally affected by these screenings?

I don't like double standard hypocrisy and find it healthy to call it out.

*I don't NEED to be personally affected for this to be problematic. Even if it's a few nights, that's still a few nights half of Texas' population can't enjoy a superhero for everyone! First it was one night, now it's three. We can't normalize this. #ShutItDown

2. Do you live in the area and were you deadset on attending this particular cinema at the exact time the screenings are happening?

See above.

*I'm gonna call out sexism anywhere in the world!

3. Did you ask a woman to see this film with you and did she break your heart and say "No. I am attending this screening for women only. Goodbye Forever Kalyx Triad"?

Sex shaming is an old tactic used against men who call out misandry/sexism against men type gestures. It's often some heartbreak or lack of sex and such. "What did she do to you?" Kind of like speaking out against religion and some dope's like, "Why do you hate god!"

*FYI, shitlord, I identify as womyn so I'm totally seeing this.

[slik]

I feel like it's a waste of time to further have this discussion with you since you don't 'get it' and feel like this is 'sexist'. When a group of people who have not been considered equal get an opportunity to celebrate how they've become equal in the last 100 years for a whopping total of three cinema screens, it is not discrimination, it's a celebration of their empowerment. And a pretty light-hearted celebration at that.


I could go on but it's not really worth it. I'm not going to change my opinion that this is a stupid thing to be upset about and you are not going to change your opinion either. This is 100% in-tune with the multiple "Kalyx hates and is afraid of women" posts you have made over the years, so I am not even really sure why I am surprised by your obsession with it. I hope the film is good when it comes out, I hope I enjoy it, I hope you enjoy it. Whatever.


Peace & Love. <3

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Celebrate equality by separating people. Separate is not equal.

[Vastardikai]

Here's two reasons why I want Wonder Woman to do well:

1. I want a fucking Black Canary movie.

2. I want a fucking Zatanna movie.

Hell, I'll throw in a third reason:

3. I want a fucking Power Girl movie.

If Wonder Woman does well, it could make some money grubbing movie exec at Warner Brothers think "Hey, these people really like this movie starring a female Super Hero! I wonder, how many other female Super Heroes can we make a movie out of?" And that would be the most realistic way for us to get a movie starring Zatanna, or Power Girl, or Black Canary.

[Lock Jaw]

And the theater knows they won't do anything like that for men and boys, no matter how a character relates to the gender. He-Man will absolutely not have a male exclusive premier.

Well, not intentionally. :shifty:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Like Entourage.

[Kalyx triaD]

I feel like it's a waste of time to further have this discussion with you since you don't 'get it' and feel like this is 'sexist'.

I suppose it would be this day and age where sitting a certain way, drawing a character a certain way, and being against gender segregation at establishments is 'sexist' and functional, very intentional gender segregation is not sexist.

When a group of people who have not been considered equal get an opportunity to celebrate how they've become equal in the last 100 years for a whopping total of three cinema screens, it is not discrimination,

Sorry it is. Time is linear so smashing together historical ills to justify discrimination in 2017 is flaw logic. When you rationalize discrimination like this you side with anyone who did in the past.

Slightly off topic but thematically related; I don't care how many years my people were enslaved - BET is a shit idea and poorly executed.

This is 100% in-tune with the multiple "Kalyx hates and is afraid of women" posts you have made over the years

I'd like everyone to see this and understand this is what I get tossed at me for not wanting a gender segregated theater showing. This is common. This is the state of things today.

[Kalyx triaD]

Also, this perpetuates the idea that superheroes 'belong' to the race/gender they 'represent'. And it's very disturbing to tacitly say Spider-Man or Superman were 'for' white people this whole time. And WW is 'for' women, even though her popularity was formed on the readership of majority male fans - given being a comic character.

This is the toxicity of activists infecting subcultures. And posts in this thread show how narratives can really warp attitudes to the point the guy not liking gender segregation hates and fears women, and a theater doing something nobody would support in the other direction is the good guy.

Call me whatever you wish, but include consistent, so some part you is honest about it.

[The Rogerer]

Like women only gym nights.No

[Ruien]

If this theater decided to have a black only screening for Black Panther would that be okay?

[Ruien]

I understand it's not a huge deal but Kalyx is still right. It's not something that should be protested but it's still going to make a few people scratch their head at the idea.

[The Rogerer]

If it was actually such an apparent problem, would you have to draw comparison to other things to illustrate why? If I run over your cat, you don't have to say "imagine if you ran over a goat".

It's almost as if the specifics matter.

Anyway, these cinemas have a no children policy and will be showing films where magic people run around in their knickers punching people. Kalyx wasn't crying when children were kept out of the cinema for these childish films.

[Swiss Ultimate]

In regards to the Alamo theater controversy, the movie theater recently gave an explanation for why they are holding this special Women's Only event.

http://i.imgur.com/KzcXqKE.png

Ended up becoming three screenings because of the sudden huge demand the theater got for tickets.

Men are buying tickets to it.

Heh. Not kidding.

The problem is because of the laws in some places, New York City specifically, they can't legally deny access to men for this event.

I think a group should be able to do whatever they want, actually. Want to do a whites only showing? Cool. Go for it. Don't want men in the ladies room? Cool, I support that.

The smart thing would have been to make a traditional "ladies night" where women get discount at the door or a prize.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Analogies are never going to persuade anyone. They're good for teaching concepts.

The people pushing for this event are hypocrites because they constantly preach inclusiveness. They're also stupid because if they actually enforce the women only policy they'll get fined, possibly sued.

[The Rogerer]

Will they? There's still plenty of men-only golf clubs and gentlemens clubs. Somehow the lawyers haven't come knocking.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Will they? There's still plenty of men-only golf clubs and gentlemens clubs. Somehow the lawyers haven't come knocking.

Laws are different in those places. New York City specifically made a law against this sort of discrimination.

Because they hate freedom.

[Swiss Ultimate]

As far as I know there aren't any male only golf courses left though.

Do strip clubs care who comes in?

[The Rogerer]

As far as I know there aren't any male only golf courses left though.

Do strip clubs care who comes in?I wasn't talking about strip clubs. There are still men only golf clubs, but I suppose on the other hand Swiss thinks there isn't, so that's more important.

So you think laws in one state are good for other ones? Like marriage age?

[Swiss Ultimate]

So can you give me an example of one male only golf course? Also who are you talking to? You think you have a sympathetic audience following your thread?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Also going to go ahead and point out you're knee-deep in cognitive dissonance yet again. If you're going to hallucinate about men, maybe don't do it in a Wonder Woman thread.

[The Rogerer]

So can you give me an example of one male only golf course? Also who are you talking to? You think you have a sympathetic audience following your thread?

http://www.blacksheepgolfclub.com There's an example

And I'm talking to you

[Destor]

There are twp sides to this argument

Side 1: sexism is bad and we should work to end it in all forms

Side 2: women cant be sexist you male pig

[The Rogerer]

Side 3: 2 + 2 = 6, what does plus mean anyway, I've never heard of it. Waah my toys and comics.

[Swiss Ultimate]

http://www.blacksheepgolfclub.com There's an example

And I'm talking to you

Cool.

Who were you talking to when you said "but I suppose on the other hand Swiss thinks there isn't, so that's more important. "?

[The Rogerer]

I was talking to the proverbial "forum", but generally referring to someone in the third person during a debate isn't that unusual. When you learn to read you may begin to see it in literature sometimes.

So just so we're on track, do you think that golf club sees a lot of fines or lawsuits? You seemed certain this would be the case for gender exclusive access. Seems to me like there's solid precedent. Which is also what you could say if you try to marry a child in america.

[slik]

If this theater decided to have a black only screening for Black Panther would that be okay?

Yes, that would be ok.


It was also ok when theatres (way more than three screens btw) held screenings for "The Passion Of The Christ" and only invited members of certain churches to attend.


Kalyx is desperate to have another "GamerGate" type discussion, where he can once again go on long-winded rants from his very narrow viewpoint, where somehow women having become equal translates to him being discriminated against. "Now that you are equal you must admonish all forms of celebration of your identity. You can never take a brief moment to celebrate your journey here". We might as well eliminate Black History Month, since that celebrates a form of identity and as Kalyx lazily said "time is linear" so "past discrimination doesn't matter". I know a movie about a superhero that comes from an island of all-women and is an iconic representation alongside Rosie The Riveter in WWII and the women's "right to work" movement in the 70's is definitely worth crying "discrimination" against for three movie screens.



....Anyways, back to not commenting on this further. Also, DTTS and The Rogerer, please don't hijack and ruin this entire thread by making it an argument between the two of you. :heart:

[The Rogerer]

You've got a nerve

[Swiss Ultimate]

I was talking to the proverbial "forum", but generally referring to someone in the third person during a debate isn't that unusual. When you learn to read you may begin to see it in literature sometimes.

So just so we're on track, do you think that golf club sees a lot of fines or lawsuits? You seemed certain this would be the case for gender exclusive access. Seems to me like there's solid precedent. Which is also what you could say if you try to marry a child in america.

I'm still not getting the "learn to read" stuff from you.

As I said, the policies in various places are different. So an allegedly "male only" club may be legal in some places. The example you provided doesn't appear to be men only though.

[The Rogerer]

I'd love for you to back up that claim

[Swiss Ultimate]

Yes, that would be ok.


It was also ok when theatres (way more than three screens btw) held screenings for "The Passion Of The Christ" and only invited members of certain churches to attend.


Kalyx is desperate to have another "GamerGate" type discussion, where he can once again go on long-winded rants from his very narrow viewpoint, where somehow women having become equal translates to him being discriminated against. "Now that you are equal you must admonish all forms of celebration of your identity. You can never take a brief moment to celebrate your journey here". We might as well eliminate Black History Month, since that celebrates a form of identity and as Kalyx lazily said "time is linear" so "past discrimination doesn't matter". I know a movie about a superhero that comes from an island of all-women and is an iconic representation alongside Rosie The Riveter in WWII and the women's "right to work" movement in the 70's is definitely worth crying "discrimination" against for three movie screens.



....Anyways, back to not commenting on this further. Also, DTTS and The Rogerer, please don't hijack and ruin this entire thread by making it an argument between the two of you. :heart:

I agree that people should be able to choose. I don't think Kalyx is mad about women being equal. Most people are just annoyed by the hypocrisy.

Not me. I want sex segregated spaces for women, not movie theaters necessarily but it certainly doesn't offend me.

As I've said though in a lot of the places they're doing this there's the simple legal question of whether or not they can refuse to honor a ticket purchase based on someone's assumed gender. Progressives have jumped the shark pretty hard recently so this will be a lot of fun to watch.

[Frank Drebin]

DID YOU GUYZ SEE WHAT TRUMP JUST DID??

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'd love for you to back up that claim

Be specific.

[Swiss Ultimate]

DID YOU GUYZ SEE WHAT TRUMP JUST DID??

This is a Wonder Woman thread

[The Rogerer]

They're doing it in one location, in Austin. Try and get something right mate.

[Swiss Ultimate]

They're doing it in one location, in Austin. Try and get something right mate.

They're doing it in Brooklyn too.

[Swiss Ultimate]

So what claim do you want me to back up?

[slik]

I kind of see it in the broad terms of a liberal vs conservative perspective.


Liberal Perspective: It's ok to have an identity. It's also ok to revel in having an identity from time to time. Please keep the celebration light-hearted and peaceful in nature. We are all one at the end of the day, but take a moment to celebrate what makes you unique.

Conservative Perspective: You having an identity means that I am under attack and am being discriminated against. Only I can have an identity. Let's vote and make something about yours illegal/criminal in some aspect to protect me because only my views matter


(Anyways, I love u $wiss and you too Rogerer)

[The Rogerer]

I thought it was quite clear?

[Destor]

I kind of see it in the broad terms of a liberal vs conservative perspective.


Liberal Perspective: It's ok to have an identity. It's also ok to revel in having an identity from time to time. Please keep the celebration light-hearted and peaceful in nature. We are all one at the end of the day, but take a moment to celebrate what makes you unique.

Conservative Perspective: You having an identity means that I am under attack and am being discriminated against. Only I can have an identity. Let's vote and make something about yours illegal/criminal in some aspect to protect me because only my views matter


(Anyways, I love u $wiss and you too Rogerer)
Tl;dr

Liberals good; conservatives bad

[Swiss Ultimate]

I kind of see it in the broad terms of a liberal vs conservative perspective.


Liberal Perspective: It's ok to have an identity. It's also ok to revel in having an identity from time to time. Please keep the celebration light-hearted and peaceful in nature. We are all one at the end of the day, but take a moment to celebrate what makes you unique.

Conservative Perspective: You having an identity means that I am under attack and am being discriminated against. Only I can have an identity. Let's vote and make something about yours illegal/criminal in some aspect to protect me because only my views matter


(Anyways, I love u $wiss and you too Rogerer)

That's not the Conservative perspective at all.

I thought it was quite clear?

Just a clear as you thinking it's only in Austin?

So what claim should I back up? Spell it out.

[The Rogerer]

I did. It's written down in writing. That's a think that you read... oh, wait, I see the problem here.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I did. It's written down in writing. That's a think that you read... oh, wait, I see the problem here.

A think I can read?

[The Rogerer]

That was a typographical error. Very common these days with touchscreen typing and autocorrect.

[The Rogerer]

I did find an article about the Brooklyn showings eventually. It just had 1 comment which hoped for a shooting or a bombing at these showings.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I still don't understand the assertion that I can't read. Is that supposed to be established?

[Swiss Ultimate]

I did find an article about the Brooklyn showings eventually. It just had 1 comment which hoped for a shooting or a bombing at these showings.

So you were wrong.

[The Rogerer]

Yeah, I was wrong.

It would seem that you can read but frequently choose not to. When you do read you seem to struggle with both comprehension and retention, which is effectively illiteracy.

Anyway, I won't post anymore until the inevitable lawsuits. I've been assured they're coming . Can't wait!

[Swiss Ultimate]

Citation needed.

[Frank Drebin]

This is a Wonder Woman thread

DID U GUYZ SEE WHAT MELANIA WAS WEARING??

[Swiss Ultimate]

DID U GUYZ SEE WHAT MELANIA WAS WEARING??

Or rather what she wasn't wearing. Am I right?

[Sixx]

I like vaginas. Can I go and see the movie?

[Fignuts]

One of Wonder Woman's unlockable abilities in injustice 2 is the sliding sword slash she does in the trailer. Fucking badass.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I like vaginas. Can I go and see the movie?

Yes. Just fly to New York City or Austin.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yes, that would be ok.

'Justified' racism is still racism, brah.

Kalyx is desperate to have another "GamerGate" type discussion, where he can once again go on long-winded rants from his very narrow viewpoint, where somehow women having become equal translates to him being discriminated against.

You are so low tier.

Here you are defending something you would absolutely rally against in reverse, and double down on some redefinition of what discrimination is, while calling people who's making a by-definition equality argument - the sexists. How wonderfully bizarre.

What the fuck is a 'GamerGate type discussion'? Is that where I curb stomp a bunch of you with facts and links while they go ignored for 10+ pages and I answer the same questions over and over (http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=127922&highlight=gamergate)? No... I'm not itching for that again. Ended up pointless then, it seems it'll be pointless now.

That narrow viewpoint of mine? Where I see people as equally capable of bigoted douchbaggery and hold not any one gender or race better than the other? I'm such a backwards ape. I'll widen my views in the future, so that I too can look at blatant discrimination and call it great and tell egalitarians they're actually the assholes. I can't wait to evolve to that point.

PS, the whole ending a post with a cheery smiley or whatever like 'hey it's all good guys, I still love you sexist creeps' is see-thru and lame. Rewrite that.

[slik]

Just read this is currently tracking in the 90-115 million opening weekend range. Not too shabby at all.


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[Kalyx triaD]

That reminds me; is her badass BvS theme in the movie.

[Fignuts]

That song he just posted has snippets of it in there along with the main line of percussion, so I assume so.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

There's a clip where she runs thru some soldiers in a building and they play it. OST song featured has it as well. So fucking good. So excited.

[Kalyx triaD]

If they can keep character themes across movies that will be cool. The MCU doesn't keep the same theme for characters very long. Cap had three, Thor had two, Iron Man with two.

[Lock Jaw]

Wasn't a fan of her BvS theme, so I hope it isn't the major musical theme of the movie. Or that it can turn me around on it.

[Destor]

Im desperate for this to be the movie that gives me confidence in warner. Im doing my best to not be skeptical, their track record hasnt made that easy but i really think this is going to be good

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Feel like the marvel music isn't very memorable at all. DC has done a nice job of giving their limited universe some decent themes, sans Suicide Squad as I remember none of that score.

Love the Wonder Woman theme though. Glad it's back. I dug the new Batman stuff too. Reminded me of the animated series. Hoping for it to be expanded on in justice league and the solo film.

[Fignuts]

Feel like the marvel music isn't very memorable at all. DC has done a nice job of giving their limited universe some decent themes, sans Suicide Squad as I remember none of that score.

Love the Wonder Woman theme though. Glad it's back. I dug the new Batman stuff too. Reminded me of the animated series. Hoping for it to be expanded on in justice league and the solo film.

Suicide squad used licensed songs. Rewatched and its so jarring how quickly they go from one song to the next. I've seen straight to dvd horror trash that was edited better.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Suicide Squad had real potential.

[Sixx]

Suicide Squad had real potential.

which it failed to deliver

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They tried to hard to make it a big deal. It could've been great had they just had a smaller scale movie, with the Joker as the villain, kidnapping Waller, and using the SS to rescue her.

Instead they had a save the world movie which didn't work.

[Kalyx triaD]

They should have kept to the original script/cut instead of pissing themselves over Guardians of the Galaxy's success and BvS' critical reaction.

The first trailer (with the sad joke song) hinted at a much better movie than the tonally sloppy film we got.

WB is a very explicit example of how a major studio's inferiority complex can pretty much choke out their output. Man of Steel was WB saying something. Everything after that is WB being MCU's little brother starved for affection.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'm not sure the original would've been much better.

[Kalyx triaD]

But better in some fashion.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wonder Woman is a critical hit. D.C. seemingly got one really, really right.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Listening to What Happened When Monday and I'm getting a lot of how fucked up Warner Brothers is in the episode about WCW Mayhem. They also cancelled Smackdown when it was their biggest money maker of the time.

[slik]

Currently at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Finally! Patty Jenkins saved_us

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'm glad. Movies should be good.

[Destor]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18740188_774316099415455_113435104167639820_n.jpg?oh=c22d992932951de0d83a63f8fc7e2cc3&oe=59A6D4A6

[Big Vic]

Breaking news: "Marvel stated there will be a black only viewing of Black Panther"

[Big Vic]

In a related story: "Multiple stabbings occur in exclusive black only viewing of Black Panther"

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder Woman BANNED in Lebanon because Gal Gadot is Israeli.

[Fignuts]

Sucks for them.

[Shadow]

Bet it'll be the most pirated movie of all time in Lebanon

[Kalyx triaD]

Wonder Woman BANNED in Lebanon because Gal Gadot is Israeli.

Religions need to die.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Excited to see this. So excited. Might try to catch it this weekend. Will be hard with my 2 year old daughter with me. Maybe I'll just take her via drive in. I dunno. But I wanna try to catch it.

[Sixx]

Wonder how it'll do at the box office.

Reviews are great, but I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that are not inerested in a superhero movie about a woman.

[Ruien]

Few people I asked at work seem meh. I will see it super early tomorrow though.

[Ruien]

Reasons differ more to not liking DC movies in general than being about a woman.

[Sixx]

Reasons differ more to not liking DC movies in general than being about a woman.

I dunno. I'm gonna see it, but I'm not super hyped, because I never cared for the character.

Also, lots of kids will pass on that because it's "about a girl".

My mom recently bought my nephw a Justice League toy set and what he did was just toss her in the corner saying "Pfff, it's a girl".

[Kalyx triaD]

Do you know any adult who passes on movies specifically because of female leads?

[Kalyx triaD]

I do not.

[Sixx]

I do. Still, doesn't matter, kids make for quite a big part of their audience, don't they?

[Destor]

I do. Still, doesn't matter, kids make for quite a big part of their audience, don't they?
yes

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It's tracking for 90 mil opening weekend. I think people care and it'll do well.

[Sixx]

I do hope so. For the comic book movi genre if not anything else.

[Lock Jaw]

I dunno. I'm gonna see it, but I'm not super hyped, because I never cared for the character.

Also, lots of kids will pass on that because it's "about a girl".

My mom recently bought my nephw a Justice League toy set and what he did was just toss her in the corner saying "Pfff, it's a girl".

Tell your nephew that he is a wank pheasant.

I had not one, but TWO Miss Elizabeth toys (for some reason) when I was a kid, and I didn't throw them in the corner..... they were integral parts of my story....

[Sixx]

Only I get to call my nephew names.

When I was a kid I didn't want any action figures that were female, asian, black, bald, fat or wearing glasses.

[JimmyMess]

Only I get to call my nephew names.

When I was a kid I didn't want any action figures that were female, asian, black, bald, fat or wearing glasses.

https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-0kvv9/products/27277/images/13639/wwe-jakks-pacific-wrestling-classic-superstars-series-3-action-figure-bret-the-hitman-hart-8__39817.1461009334.500.750.jpg?c=2

so nothing like this????

[Sixx]

https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-0kvv9/products/27277/images/13639/wwe-jakks-pacific-wrestling-classic-superstars-series-3-action-figure-bret-the-hitman-hart-8__39817.1461009334.500.750.jpg?c=2

so nothing like this????

Eh?

Do you mean his shades? Those are not corrective glasses.

Also, there were no wrestling toys here. I played wrestling with my G.I. Joes on Domino's Pizza boxes with pens as turnbuckles.

But you're right, I wouldn't play with a toy like that, cause of all the pink.

[RP]

do you think Wonder Woman sent Chris Pine text messages telling him she wants his ding dong in her butt?

[JimmyMess]

Eh?

Do you mean his shades? Those are not corrective glasses.

Also, there were no wrestling toys here. I played wrestling with my G.I. Joes on Domino's Pizza boxes with pens as turnbuckles.

But you're right, I wouldn't play with a toy like that, cause of all the pink.

neon salmon, mofo.

[Sixx]

neon salmon, mofo.

So you're a woman now, eh?

[Kalyx triaD]

I dunno. I had a few female X-Men and Batman toys. I would have liked Jem action figures rather than strictly dolls sense that was a line I could not cross at the time. A character I liked was a character I liked. It has a lot to do with how they're marketed, I'd agree. When you present something as 'for boys' or 'for girls' kids are susceptible to that. A boy is not gonna want a Ken doll even though by certain people's logic, they would be cause he's a guy. But what matters is the 'play' being given. If Ken had a working rocket launcher Barbie would magically get a boy demo out of nowhere. We've seen this exact thing happen when DC FINALLY offered actual dolls of their female superheroes (not in time to save Young Justice from that early death).

There would absolutely be more girls into Batman merch if there was a Bruce Wayne doll with both a business suit and his batsuit. What really separates boys and girls is the 'play' being offered, not strictly the character itself.

[Fignuts]

The hype is legit. This movie is a fucking blast. I was not completely sold on Gadot as Wonder Woman after BvS, but I sure as shit am now. She was awesome. Caotured the spirit of the character perfectly. Villains weren't quite up to some of the more memorable characters in other superhero movies, but they were by no means bad. They're still entertaining in their roles.

Everyone does a great job in this film but Gadot and Chris Pine are so excellent together. Fantastic chemistry.

[RP]

Havent seen it but keep hearing Chris Pine steals the show.

[Lock Jaw]

Too bad he will be dead in any sequel set in modern times

[Destor]

Too bad he will be dead in any sequel set in modern times
Exactly why I was perplexed by the period choice

[Sixx]

HE WILL PULL A BUCKY!!!!!

[Lock Jaw]

Exactly why I was perplexed by the period choice

Yeah.... I love wartime period films, but Wonder Woman has never been a character with that long of a lifespan...

Sure, she was originally created during World War II, but since then as the character and origins have been revamped her origins keep getting pushed to more modern times. She's never even been alive from World War II to present (except the alternate Earth Two version who ceased to exist in 1985).

[Sixx]

The film takes place during World War I.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I know. Which makes it even stranger, because the character never even existed at all then.

[Fignuts]

I don't know why it's that important tha you guys keep bringing it up.

[Destor]

I don't know why it's that important tha you guys keep bringing it up.
Its a huge divergence for the character but that isnt the issue for me really. It's that nothing in this movie matters from a cannon perspective. Seems really odd. I dont think it will hinder the plot or my enjoyment "between the bells" but it's odd enough to bring up as a topical point of interest.

[Sixx]

It's not an issue for me at all, because I don't know jack shit about her history, really.

She could be fighting Vikings if the film was good, for all I care.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, it is just "odd". I'm still really looking forward to seeing it.

[JimmyMess]

lex luthor also created doomsday in this universe... so why question anything. I'm just sticking with the "world war 1..... m'kay" outlook.

[Destor]

Im not that submissive I guess

[Sixx]

That's just screaming for a porno remake. Especially if they use her whole weakness "having her hands tied by a man".

[Fignuts]

I'm a big fan of the character, and to be honest, I actually like the change to a long lived character. It fits her, and her people very well.

[Fignuts]

That's just screaming for a porno remake. Especially if they use her whole weakness "having her hands tied by a man".

Early on in the characters history , getting tied up was a frequent occurence, to the point where people believe there was a deliberate erotic tone to it.

[Sixx]

Early on in the characters history , getting tied up was a frequent occurence, to the point where people believe there was a deliberate erotic tone to it.

I know that from cracked.com. :)

[Fignuts]

Oh, and good thing there were no kids in the audience because my theater accidentally played a couple red band trailers before the feature.

[Fignuts]

What am I saying, it would have been hilarious if there were kids there.

[Sixx]

No idea what Red Band trailers are.

[Sixx]

Oh, ok. Dubbed with some naughty lines.

[Destor]

My start time is 30 min

[Blonde Moment]

I wonder if they decided to do it in WWI because Captain America took place in WW2 and they didn't want to seem like they were copying them?

[Sixx]

I think whatever the reason it was a good idea.

There are plenty of movies that take place during WWII, only a few during WWI.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm a big fan of the character, and to be honest, I actually like the change to a long lived character. It fits her, and her people very well.

I'm not opposed to the change for Wonder Woman. Amazons are long lived, so they aren't changing that part.

Only part why it is "weird" is it meaning her traditional supporting cast will all be dead in the present. At least Captain America had a traditional supporting cast waiting for him in the present.

[Sixx]

From what I can see only her bf will be dead, her amazon family/friends are just as long-lived as she is.

[Destor]

Credits rolling now. While the critique that this does nothing for the canon of the DC film continuity is absolutely true as predicted this movie os stellar.

Chris Pine may have been good but anyone sayimg Gadot didnt steal the show watched a doff picture than i did. It might be the best super hero performance to date.

ares gets my vote for best villian too

Realy enjoyed it. Hope this is their tone going forward.

[Lock Jaw]

Destor typically a harsh critic. Glad he enjoyed it. Looking forward to Sunday!

[Black Widow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAMrr9WUAAA66-J.jpg

Really good movie, id give it around an 8/10.
Def the best DC movie.

[slik]

Just saw it. Loved it. Kickass, Fun, Good characters and good action/fight sequences. Gal Gadot comes across as a huge star.

Stalls a bit in the middle but I thought the setting worked perfect and I liked her character arc in the movie.

[Ruien]

Credits rolling now. While the critique that this does nothing for the canon of the DC film continuity is absolutely true as predicted this movie os stellar.

Chris Pine may have been good but anyone sayimg Gadot didnt steal the show watched a doff picture than i did. It might be the best super hero performance to date.

ares gets my vote for best villian too

Realy enjoyed it. Hope this is their tone going forward.

Holy shit. Destor is never this positive with movies. Hell, he was even against Skill Island. Was excited about seeing this before but.this gives me all kind of hope.

[Destor]

I dont give a lot of 9/10s and i next to never give 10/10s. But i think this is a 9/10 because it has such a strong cultural impact. I think 15 years from now the movie will be a part of a shift within not only the genre but he industry. There were a lot of achievements going into this and it all came together in a really satisfying picture.

I cant rave enough about the star power Gadot brings to the screen. She has a vulnerability that is endearing but manages to straddle the line amd have a strength that is incredible and hats off to Patty Jenkins for figuring out how to walk that line. Wondy could have easily come off as weak but she absolutely doesn't.

the plot itself was very strong. The defeat of ares was meaningless. And that was bold. Defeatkng the big bad truely meant nothing, it changed nothing.the day was saved but not the world. Thats a ballsy move for a summer blockbuster and makes a fabulous statement about the nsture of humanity all the while demonstrating Wondys heart and character. Amd the 3rd act reveal was well handled as well.

My only grips were that it stalled at the top of the 3rd act, the green screen matting was generally so poor that i was aware i was watching a film, that the film does nothing not only for the greater canon of the brand but even for the franchise and and that they played pine as a love intrest. Im of the opinion that Wondy should have been sexless.at least for the first go. It would have made a better statement...in my opinion. But these are small gripes for me. I really think this among the best of the genre.

It stands up with Winter Soldier which in my opinion is the best super hero film to date.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wonder Woman in 3, 2, 1...

[Fignuts]

You guys are right that this movie doesn't add much to the canon, but it does give audiences a reason to latch onto the character before Justice League comes out. You can let audiences learn more about aquaman, flash, and cyborg when that movie comes out, but the trinity should be firmly established before JL hits. This movie accomplishes that for Wonder Woman.

[Destor]

I would certainly have it do too little than do too much ala BvS

[Destor]

But ultimately these are serials so you want something from them in that regard. But again, im not saying the film is worse for not having it. I just would have liked *something* connecting it to a larger narrative.

[Fignuts]

It "kinda" does, with that picture being from BvS. They just did it backwards.

[Fignuts]

Also gonna add that I was worried Gal Gadot wouldn't look the part, as she's skinny, and not the first frame I would look at when thinking piwerful warrior, but again she pullled it off.

[slik]

Did anyone else notice that


Dr. Poison didn't die.

[KIRA]

I'm wondering when/if Rammsteinmad will see this film.

[Destor]

It "kinda" does, with that picture being from BvS. They just did it backwards.

Only in the sense it acknowledged the greater universe. But it doesnt advance anything or add any wrinkles elsewhere. And it dlesnt have to, to be fair.

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm wondering when/if Rammsteinmad will see this film.

I will, at some point.

Much like Sixx, I've just never really been into the character, and trailers didn't really do anything for me. But I do go to see all comic book/superhero movies in the cinema, so I'll maybe go see it Wednesday.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

No spoilers here. But 9/10. The movie was great. Gadot came off as a huge star. Pine was great. Even the backup characters served a purpose in furthering Diana's character.

The fight scenes were good. And honestly, when she finally debuted in full outfit, I teared up. I don't have any history with the character, but the dad came out in me.

I saw this movie and thought to myself that I cannot wait until my daughter is old enough to see and understand this. They write Diana in such a way that's both adorable, sweet and naive but strong, independent, and fierce.

Absolute landmark film for D.C. and they finally did something marvel hasn't and now can't. The definitive super heroine film, imo.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Also gonna add that I was worried Gal Gadot wouldn't look the part, as she's skinny, and not the first frame I would look at when thinking piwerful warrior, but again she pullled it off.

She's filled out quite a bit. And looks very athletic and strong, just not thick. But yeah, she nailed this

[Swiss Ultimate]

No spoilers here. But 9/10. The movie was great. Gadot came off as a huge star. Pine was great. Even the backup characters served a purpose in furthering Diana's character.

The fight scenes were good. And honestly, when she finally debuted in full outfit, I teared up. I don't have any history with the character, but the dad came out in me.

I saw this movie and thought to myself that I cannot wait until my daughter is old enough to see and understand this. They write Diana in such a way that's both adorable, sweet and naive but strong, independent, and fierce.

Absolute landmark film for D.C. and they finally did something marvel hasn't and now can't. The definitive super heroine film, imo.

Are we pretending Cat Woman doesn't exist?

[drave]

Yup.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Are we pretending Cat Woman doesn't exist?

Swiss once again negates my opinion. Damn it.

[Vastardikai]

How the hell is the only hero in the Snyderverse that's an actual hero is Wonder Woman?

Batman is more Crazy Uncle Steve (Credit: Linkara) meets Homicidal early incarnation Batman.
Superman does the right thing because it benefits him. The Objectivist Superhero.
Wonder Woman does the right thing because... it's the right thing to do.

And kudos for not doing the obvious cheesy line when they brought up "No Man's Land."

[Lock Jaw]

Just saw it, and I too highly enjoyed it. 9/10.

Scene where Wonder Woman comes out of the trench, crosses no man's land and saves that town had me feeling goosebumps and smiling from ear to ear.

Ultimately I loved the WWI setting and stuff, but at the same time I am still a bit "put off" by what it means in the "larger sense".

At the end of the movie Wonder Woman has learned that "only love can save the world", and that even though humanity isn't perfect they are worth protecting and helping..........

But then she just goes into hiding from WWI to present. I hope this is somehow dealt with and explained in a satisfactory matter.

Anyways, the movie was so good that it even briefly filled me with the desire to rewatch the atrocity that was BvS just to see Wonder Woman more.

[Lock Jaw]

Furthermore:

When Steve was on the plane flying it away, did anyone else think he was going to take the plane down into the water and be frozen in a block of ice until modern times?

[Lock Jaw]

The Wonder Woman theme (the one also in BvS) also grew on me...... I like it now..... but every time I try to "hum it", I end up humming the "Get Smart" theme........

[Lock Jaw]

Still thinking about this movie....

I think part of what makes it so good and refreshing is that we have a hero who just genuinely wants to go out and help people because it is the right thing to do.

Feel like all other modern superhero movies have the heroes either dealing with some "personal battle" or "fixing/cleaning up after their own mistakes" or "stumbling onto a situation where they end up getting drawn in and saving the world"

It's never just been "Hey, you know what's the right thing to do? Help people."

[Destor]

Still thinking about this movie....

I think part of what makes it so good and refreshing is that we have a hero who just genuinely wants to go out and help people because it is the right thing to do.

Feel like all other modern superhero movies have the heroes either dealing with some "personal battle" or "fixing/cleaning up after their own mistakes" or "stumbling onto a situation where they end up getting drawn in and saving the world"

It's never just been "Hey, you know what's the right thing to do? Help people."

This was what I appreciated about the film. It also why spidey is my fav hero. Good for the sake of good.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Still thinking about this movie....

I think part of what makes it so good and refreshing is that we have a hero who just genuinely wants to go out and help people because it is the right thing to do.

Feel like all other modern superhero movies have the heroes either dealing with some "personal battle" or "fixing/cleaning up after their own mistakes" or "stumbling onto a situation where they end up getting drawn in and saving the world"

It's never just been "Hey, you know what's the right thing to do? Help people."

This is what drives me nuts about Superman in both Man of Steel and BvS. It seems he saves the world not because he genuinely wants to because he feels it's the right thing to do, but more like because he can so, meh, why not. At no point does he seem to actually want to be Superman.

Whereas Diana 100% believes that because she has the ability it is her duty to serve and fight for those who cannot. It's inspiring. Superman isn't.

Absolutely loved her characterization.

[Anthony Hopkins]

I was originally up for the role of Steve Trevor. I regret losing it.

[drave]

You wanted to smell that cunt, amirite

[road doggy dogg]

phenomenal movie. hot damn

[Anthony Hopkins]

You wanted to smell that cunt, amirite

Anthony Hopkins appreciates two things in life:

1. Good coffee

2. Good pussy

[XL]

Are we pretending Cat Woman doesn't exist?

And Elektra.

[Simple Fan]

Seen it yesterday, I liked it and Gal Gadot is great as Wonder Woman.

[Ruien]

Hell ya. Amazing movie.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently DC dodged a huge bullet by switching directors for the film. Original director and script would have made the film really terrible and sexist. Would have been an easy contender for worst ever comic film.

Joss Whedon‘s unproduced Wonder Woman screenplay leaked online last month, appearing on sites like Comicbook.com and Screenrant. Due to Whedon’s vocal love of Wonder Woman, many fans viewed it as a tantalizing Hollywood “what if” story. But for some reason, few people mentioned how catastrophically, awe-inspiringly terrible the screenplay actually is.

The script resurfaced on Twitter last night, this time being heavily criticized by female Wonder Woman fans. It’s easy to see why, because this thing is so sexist it’s hard to believe Whedon wrote and submitted it on a professional basis. Constantly sexualizing and demeaning its lead character, it’s like an evil mirror universe version of the movie we eventually got.

The screenplay displays a toxic attitude to Diana, with characters calling her a “bitch” or a “whore,” and commenting on her skimpy costume. Instead of being a feminist paradise, Themyscira is plagued by infighting and a lack of empathy for outsiders, and Diana even fights her own mother. Then there’s Steve Trevor, who overshadows Diana’s role from page one.


Steve Trevor spends the entire movie mansplaining to Diana, arguing and criticizing her brand of heroism. It’s a startling contrast with Allan Heinberg and Patty Jenkins’ depiction in the real movie, where Steve supports Diana, and the two characters enjoy each other’s company.

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/joss-whedon-wonder-woman-sexist-screenplay/

[Ruien]

That would have killed the DC movie universe.

[drave]

Whedon has always sexualized his female leads though..... not a surprise.

[Destor]

Id have to read that before i believed that tbh

[Sixx]

This is weird, I always considered Whedon to be a good filmmaker.

No idea why he'd want to go with such thing.