WWE RAW 10/31 feat. Heck in a Cell fallout, Eve of Nashvember, and some rasslin stuff

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

the fans could not give a flizzying fizzuck about this match

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was talking about the hard cam lol

Oh! Haha. There's just so much wrong it's hard to keep up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Primo and Epico, but they have really run them into the ground. They beat Enzo & Cass and no one cares. They're so animated and can wrestle, but they're just...there.

[Lock Jaw]

Neither did I, didn't pay attention at all. Not to say it was a bad match, just too long of a show, so when the third hour rolls around I barely pay attention to anything.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Primo has been on the main roster of WWE for 8 years now. Remember there was scuttlebutt about his signing because people thought he was actually the better wrestler out of him and Carlito?

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was really hurt by it being a long show. Not that The Shining Stars are ever over, despite how much ability they have to play a crowd.

[Emperor Smeat]

I like Primo and Epico, but they have really run them into the ground. They beat Enzo & Cass and no one cares. They're so animated and can wrestle, but they're just...there.

Them beating Enzo and Cass twice and then just having the feud be suddenly dropped in favor of doing nothing with Golden Truth was baffling.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

jesus this is fucking terrible. At least Dustin's still collecting a paycheque. Good for him after all he's been through. And he's in awesome shape.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They lost to The Golden Truth as well too didn't they?

[slik]

is big e naked

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So many segments that don't mean anything. I just don't get it. It's not like it was even fun. It was literally there to fill time and it was just fucking terrible.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sheamus & Cesaro > New Day > Golden Truth/Gallows & Anderson > Shining Stars > Enzo & Cass

[Emperor Smeat]

They lost to The Golden Truth as well too didn't they?

Think Golden Truth had more wins against them than Enzo/Cass did and even that feud was just dropped for no reason.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This show desperately needs to NOT be 3 hours. Dear lord.

[Mr. Nerfect]

An annoying thing about them creating four new championships out of the blue is that when a guy like Jericho says "The US Title is the only title I haven't held," he now has to win the Universal Championship, the SmackDown Tag Team Championship AND United States Championship to be a Grand Slam Champion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Randy Orton too.

[slik]

where are Seth and Sasha are they dead/injured

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H too.

John Cena too, but swap US with IC.

[Mr. Nerfect]

where are Seth and Sasha are they dead/injured

They've probably got no immediate plans for Sasha moving forward than for her to be in the SS match and Seth will likely be the fifth guy to the chagrin of the best friends. He might also show up and help Roman Reigns tonight against Jericho & Owens.

[Evil Vito]

Primo has been on the main roster of WWE for 8 years now. Remember there was scuttlebutt about his signing because people thought he was actually the better wrestler out of him and Carlito?

Primo has been handled oddly right out of the gate. Wrestled one and only one match on Raw, and specifically cut a promo indicating that he was nothing like Carlito and was disgusted by his actions.

Then they took him off TV for a month, moved him to SmackDown, and put him in a team with the very same brother he was supposedly disgusted with. And despite a tag title run it meant really nothing when they got broken up because they didn't even make it a full year as a tag team.

And his team with Epico has been going on for 5 years now. What the fuck.

[Savio]

Impartial cornerman..... do those exsist?

[slik]

luke at this gator

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I liked shiny pants Primo.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

So what do you think the main event of RAW was going to be before Mick Foley made this match earlier? The Battle Royal or Sheamus/Cesaro vs. Shining Stars?

[Stickman]

Why does Reigns wear two belts? Wtf kind of terrible wardrobe does he have

[Emperor Smeat]

Nice of Owens to help out his pal Jericho from not getting pinned.

[Poit]

Shatter Machine!

[Emperor Smeat]

Rollins almost completely whiffed on the first dive to Owens.

[Poit]

Why does Reigns wear two belts? Wtf kind of terrible wardrobe does he have

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

WILL THE MEGA POWERS UNITE ONCE AGAIN

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No Raw Talk?

[KIRA]

CMON do it its the only way Roman might get over

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, they are actually marketing him as Seth Freakin' Rollins? Wow.

[Lock Jaw]

No Raw Talk?

Do you really want to watch more WWE right now?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The crowd want to cheer him so bad, but the Pedigree saps any sort of identity he has. Lol at the ending. "Holy shit! Something is going to happen!" *nothing happens*

[Lock Jaw]

The crowd want to cheer him so bad, but the Pedigree saps any sort of identity he has. Lol at the ending. "Holy shit! Something is going to happen!" *nothing happens*

WE'RE ALL OUTTA TIME!!!

[Emperor Smeat]

If the rumor about the winning brand getting first choice on trades is true, Ambrose is probably a lock as one of the picks based on that Shield reunion tease at the end.

[KIRA]

Holy shit, they are actually marketing him as Seth Freakin' Rollins? Wow.

It's bad isn't it?


Kurt Angle is the only one who should ever use "freakin"

[Mr. Nerfect]

A lot of emphasis placed on words that have zero emphatic value. Freakin', jerk, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think PG is necessarily a death blow to the WWE, but it certainly hurts if you are trying to be edgy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sincere question, because I haven't watched in a while: How does that stack up to other RAWs. It reads about the same as the others, but was that particularly boring? Or has it been this bad for a while? God, please don't tell me that was a good one...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You can be edgey and PG. You just have to have an ounce of creativity.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can be edgey and PG. You just have to have an ounce of creativity.

I rephrase: I think that it can impede how edgy a lot of your dialogue can be in the sense of specific word choices. They clearly want Seth Rollins to have some sort of "cool factor," but I don't think they get that saying "freakin" between words isn't cool at all.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Seth Gosh Darn Rollins

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Seth My Goodness Rollins

[Evil Vito]

Sincere question, because I haven't watched in a while: How does that stack up to other RAWs. It reads about the same as the others, but was that particularly boring? Or has it been this bad for a while? God, please don't tell me that was a good one...

It was par for the course of late. Not much more than background noise.

Raw in general is better than it has been prior to the draft split - but that's really not saying much.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kevin Golly Owens.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Seth Jeepers Rollins

[Mr. Nerfect]

Chris Flamin' Jericho

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Roman Holy Moly Reigns

[Mr. Nerfect]

Roman Bleedin' Reigns

[Mr. Nerfect]

Roman Cripes Reigns

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vince Jumping Dyna McMahon

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

AJ heck in a handbasket Styles

[Mr. Nerfect]

Braun Oh Noes Strowman

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sami Gee Whiz Zayn

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Noid has gone mental.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dean Holy Smokes Ambrose

[Emperor Smeat]

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The little bump off of Perkins' butt likely saved Kendrick from a potentially dangerous injury.

[Dark One]

It was par for the course of late. Not much more than background noise.

Raw in general is better than it has been prior to the draft split - but that's really not saying much.

I would say it was slightly above average. Not "good" but better than the normal level of mediocrity.

[Dark One]

Noid.

I already covered this last night, and you're going to have a hard time topping it:

Sasha #BROKEN Banks

[Dark One]

Honorable mentions to:

Curt DERP Hawkins

Apollo Gee Willikers Crews

[Emperor Smeat]

Bo Dastardly Dallas

[Dewidi]

Man I about died laughing at Enzo and Big Cass also how many mothe u.s. title is fat ass russev gojng to get he used his rematch clause last night at H.I.C.

[Lock Jaw]

I have no issue with the word "freakin"...... y'all just a bunch of negative freakin' nancies.....

[Mr. Nerfect]

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The little bump off of Perkins' butt likely saved Kendrick from a potentially dangerous injury.

What is the psychology behind that spot anyway?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid.

I already covered this last night, and you're going to have a hard time topping it:

Sasha #BROKEN Banks

Charlotte Tears of Joy Flair

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Why is Nikki Bella SmackDown team captain? I actually missed the start of this. Is Mick Foley calling Bayley a weak link? That's smart.

1:44. She either forgets her lines or is trying to hold back her emotions. 2:00 she is laughing to try and cover it up. The acting so bad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They actually seem to be going forward with her as "Charlotte Flair." I guess they want that name recognition there so people know who she is.

[Dewidi]

Exactly what is so bad about nia jax? To me she nothing more than a awesome Kong clone big and fat that's about it she uses her weight to her advantage do she have b.o. or something I just don't get it

[Mr. Nerfect]

Her entrance with the zoom-in on the eyes is just awkward. She's still clunky in the ring and really green. She also doesn't know where the cameras are.

[Emperor Smeat]

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Why is Nikki Bella SmackDown team captain? I actually missed the start of this. Is Mick Foley calling Bayley a weak link? That's smart.

1:44. She either forgets her lines or is trying to hold back her emotions. 2:00 she is laughing to try and cover it up. The acting so bad.

On Smackdown Natty had the idea of wanting to be captain but Bryan had the better idea of giving it to whoever won the match (Natty vs Nikki). Bryan also solved the problem of Smackdown having more than 5 women by making whoever lost the match would be off the team.

[Lock Jaw]

They actually seem to be going forward with her as "Charlotte Flair." I guess they want that name recognition there so people know who she is.

Yeah..... weird though that her tron and name key still only say Charlotte......

[Lock Jaw]

Watched it again, def think you are projecting things onto her......

[Lock Jaw]

Far more interested in women segments than men segments these days...... unless Chris Jericho is talking.....

[Mr. Nerfect]

On Smackdown Natty had the idea of wanting to be captain but Bryan had the better idea of giving it to whoever won the match (Natty vs Nikki). Bryan also solved the problem of Smackdown having more than 5 women by making whoever lost the match would be off the team.

Hmm. It's a real shame that Natalya won't be competing in that match in Toronto at Survivor Series. Maybe they give her a different match with some more spotlight? Nikki, Becky, Alexa, Naomi & Carmella...nope, that's all the girls. Unless they use Mickie or Asuka for the final Team SmackDown member.

Or...Natalya defects and joins Team RAW? Charlotte, Bayley, Nia Jax, Sasha & Nattie -- that takes it up to five.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Watched it again, def think you are projecting things onto her......

Maybe. First time on the actual television looked really hokey. Playing it back it doesn't look so bad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Far more interested in women segments than men segments these days...... unless Chris Jericho is talking.....

Chris Jericho is the best thing on RAW. I'm kind of wishing that instead of Kevin Owens as Universal Champ, they actually did go further with the Jericho/Owens team. Jericho's stuff with The New Day would have been fucking sick.

You put the Universal Title on Brock Lesnar and give Brock a really long run of trying to make people care about that big red monstrosity. I think it would even add to things like Lesnar/Goldberg.

[Emperor Smeat]

What is the psychology behind that spot anyway?

Crowd-wise, just a big spot to please them. Match-wise, probably trying to daze his opponent enough for a possible count-out win or get the upper hand in the bout.

He's done it smoother before but this time didn't get the full rotation needed because he hit the apron. Big reason why Kendrick almost falls straight down.

Gran Metalik has a crazier looking version of the move which involves him landing standing up.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

A countout won't help him win the title when he's not the champion.

[Dark One]

A countout won't help him win the title when he's not the champion.

Well, based on falling for the OBVIOUSLY fake injury on Sunday, they've added another dimension to his character beyond "video games:" he's also retarded.

Thus the ring psychology of the move makes sense for the wrestler performing it.

BOOM. REGAL'ED.

Y'all motherfuckers wanted character development.

[Triple A]

I think the video game references are funny tbh... I like that he just says everything with a straight face and tries to fit it in "naturally"... funny...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, based on falling for the OBVIOUSLY fake injury on Sunday, they've added another dimension to his character beyond "video games:" he's also retarded.

Thus the ring psychology of the move makes sense for the wrestler performing it.

BOOM. REGAL'ED.

Y'all motherfuckers wanted character development.

Maybe he's just in a real video game and his joystick axis is inverted?

[Dewidi]

What is the psychology behind that spot anyway?
I hope Perkins didn't have beans Mon b4the show

[Mr. Pierre]

Love Owens and happy he's Uni Champ. In hindsight though, I feel it would be better if the roles were reversed, where the younger KO is helping Jericho retain the title every month. Owens eventually turns heel on the lovable "listing" Jericho and eventually takes the belt off of him with some build.

[The CyNick]

Maybe. First time on the actual television looked really hokey. Playing it back it doesn't look so bad.

Aka Noid looking bad here

Maybe you should take some time off. Clearly my return has caused your posts to get worse and worse. Rest up and come back for the Rumble.

[Evil Vito]

I love TJ Perkins' video game entrance. Fuck anyone who disagrees.

[Evil Vito]

So what do you think the main event of RAW was going to be before Mick Foley made this match earlier? The Battle Royal or Sheamus/Cesaro vs. Shining Stars?

On top of that, Mick Foley apparently forgot Braun Strowman existed when coming up with a list of battle royal participants with a fucking Survivor Series spot on the line.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bo Dastardly Dallas

gimmick infringement! :rant:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Love Owens and happy he's Uni Champ. In hindsight though, I feel it would be better if the roles were reversed, where the younger KO is helping Jericho retain the title every month. Owens eventually turns heel on the lovable "listing" Jericho and eventually takes the belt off of him with some build.

This would have been a good idea.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Aka Noid looking bad here

Maybe you should take some time off. Clearly my return has caused your posts to get worse and worse. Rest up and come back for the Rumble.

It still looks really bad. Two girls delivering awkward verbiage with clear visual clues that they are trying to remember their lines. Charlotte also does look weird in it. Like she is on the verge of a mental break-down or something, but it could just be how they've made her up. Looks like she's about to cry throughout the entire promo in retrospect.

And believe me, I do legitimately consider leaving this place when you are around and when people talk about how wonderful TNA is. I consider looking for a place where they talk sense and logic prevails as the best tool for discourse.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah the girls were bad, but mainly because they were trying to remember lines.

[Big Vic]

Hmm. It's a real shame that Natalya won't be competing in that match in Toronto at Survivor Series. Maybe they give her a different match with some more spotlight? Nikki, Becky, Alexa, Naomi & Carmella...nope, that's all the girls. Unless they use Mickie or Asuka for the final Team SmackDown member.

Or...Natalya defects and joins Team RAW? Charlotte, Bayley, Nia Jax, Sasha & Nattie -- that takes it up to five.Natty vs Eva Marie

[Emperor Smeat]

I love TJ Perkins' video game entrance. Fuck anyone who disagrees.

Only change I'd make is for the intro song part to be louder. Right now it sounds too low or soft to actually pump up the crowd for him.

[The CyNick]

It still looks really bad. Two girls delivering awkward verbiage with clear visual clues that they are trying to remember their lines. Charlotte also does look weird in it. Like she is on the verge of a mental break-down or something, but it could just be how they've made her up. Looks like she's about to cry throughout the entire promo in retrospect.

And believe me, I do legitimately consider leaving this place when you are around and when people talk about how wonderful TNA is. I consider looking for a place where they talk sense and logic prevails as the best tool for discourse.

Don't leave man. You compete me.

I'm kidding, take your ball and go home.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd feel too many good people would be exposed to you if I didn't stand up for what's right.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah the girls were bad, but mainly because they were trying to remember lines.

Bayley's delivery is also terrible. I still can't work out what was going on with Charlotte. Maybe Vince got up her for not delivering in the main event the night before or something? She looked really frazzled.

[Lock Jaw]

It appeared to me that she did deliver in the main event the night before, and looked great at Hell in a Cell and at RAW, and that you guys are just a cuppa l'il haters...

[The CyNick]

I'd feel too many good people would be exposed to you if I didn't stand up for what's right.

Well good to see you're not completely spineless.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It appeared to me that she did deliver in the main event the night before, and looked great at Hell in a Cell and at RAW, and that you guys are just a cuppa l'il haters...

I have no comment on the match. Didn't see it and have heard conflicting reports. Just going off on what I have seen of them, which is both spectacular performances, and blunders.

[Lock Jaw]

Usually they seem to make one botch that they recover from nicely...... surprisingly in the cell the only botch was when a table didn't break on the outside, and that is the fault of an inanimate object......

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I could go without seeing them on the mic if they have to remember scripted promos

[Mr. Nerfect]

I could go without seeing them on the mic if they have to remember scripted promos

I could go without anyone remembering scripting promos.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well yeah. I don't think I've seen one good scripted word for word promo.

[Cool King]

• I know it was just two moves, but if I have that to go by, I imagine that Goldberg/Lesnar is not going to be all that great, but it's still early days.

• What on earth was Saxton wearing? Seriously, was his Halloween costume a baby? Regardless if it was or not, I've noticed that every week I'm finding him more and more annoying.

The only good reason for keeping him around is to hear the quips directed at him from Corey Graves.

• On the subject of being annoying, TJ Perkins had his rematch and lost in such a way that made him look stupid for the second night in a row. I know it won't happen but the feud should be over now as Perkins had his rematch and didn't get the title back.

We need a number one contender match now but I'm sure we'll have another two weeks of this, with it ending at Survivor Series. Maybe the night after that, we'll have a number one contender battle royal or something with the Cruiserweights, including the new additions which I'm sure will debut next week in Glasgow.

• Foley on the mic now and I feel that for me, one of the things that I like SmackDown more than Raw for is that the GM is hardly on the mic. We can go a few weeks without Daniel Bryan appearing in the ring with a mic and when he does, it's usually for something important such as a contract signing or new title unveiling and he doesn't even talk for that long.

With Foley, he's in the ring on a mic every week and he talks for a good 10-15 minutes and most of the time, there's no need for him to be out there. Hell, I'm sure there's been a few episodes of SmackDown that Bryan hasn't even appeared at, not even backstage, but every single week without fail, Foley appears in the ring for ages or backstage.

• The outcome of the battle royal was pretty obvious. The last two guys were the two guys that got televised entrances. Although I would have loved it, I really doubt Curtis Axel was going to win.

Team Raw however is shaping up to really suck, that is compared to what I think Team SmackDown will be.

• More Cruiserweights now and it's the same six people as before. This division feels like it's already dead. All we have is one feud going on at the moment and that's Kendrick/Perkins. The six of these guys just seem to keep facing each other week after week but no hate grows between them.

Also, Cedric Alexander really needs a theme change. It's so quiet that you can actually feel the crowd not giving a shit.

I think one way to make the division more interesting and help build up interest of the Cruiserweights is have them face other people and not just fellow Cruiserweights.

Have Tony Nese & Drew Gulak chase the Tag Team Championships or even Gran Metalik face Rusev for example, because it's at the point now where the Cruiserweights have faced each other so many times now that nobody really cares anymore.

• I see that Cesaro has dropped the James Bond entrance, which is good because it was always so awkward to watch as he rarely got it right. All we need now is his theme to change or even just drop the sirens.

I don't get what they're doing with Primo & Epico. They get a win over the hot tag team that is Enzo & Cass, then they go to having a match against three guys in their mid to late 40's over watches, to randomly appearing every now and then.

These guys should really be on SmackDown.

• Judging by the end of the main event, next week in Glasgow the main event will be Jericho/Owens vs Rollins/Reigns.

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• Overall, roll on SmackDown.

[Mr. Nerfect]

One thing positive I will say about RAW: Corey Graves is phenomenal as a commentator. He's really switched on and doing his best to stay in character but basically do everything a commentator should do. I won't say he's the best ever or anything, and I know he bothers some people, but I find him to genuinely charming in the role.

JBL, on the other hand, annoys me these days. I was a huge proponent of his in 2006, but for some reason he feels well out of place now. When Daniel Bryan becomes a new dad, maybe he'd like some time off and JBL can become the new General Manager for SmackDown. That's a role he would excel in. Bring in Christian to do commentary with Mauro. Or even bring back Heel King, because that was something. David Otunga can do something else. Maybe he could use some polish in NXT, where he can develop that commentary voice more?

Byron Saxton...ugh. I liked him with Michael Cole at Beast in the East. I don't think he's actually as terrible at his core as people think, he's just another in the line of generic commentators. He's also in a thankless role. Have him turn heel and become a manager for people who need a mouthpiece or something. I don't see the point for a three man booth when Graves has clearly got things down.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

That script. Oof.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

So Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho are actually scripted. Interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The problem with writers becomes evident as Mick defends Stephanie McMahon again. You can tell they don't know where they're going with it, but want to keep the thread open. Ugh.

[Lock Jaw]

Trying to imagine a writer sitting there and writing the line "you know, I was going to dress up for Halloween as a stupid idiot, but they were all out of Chris Jericho costumes" and thinking it is the best ever. Like imagining him being "super happy" with that line.....

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's exactly the same sort of imagery that comes to my mind too. :lol:

[BigCrippyZ]

Holy shit. Did that actually make it on the show?

:?::nono::wtf::wavesad::lol:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yes the same with StupidIdiotVille in the Road to Money in the Bank.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jericho saved that stupid joke by saying that he's from Winnipeg. No saving us from terrible this time.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Seems like Roman was made to look like a fool with all the people dressed up as Team Jeri KO.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Trying to imagine a writer sitting there and writing the line "you know, I was going to dress up for Halloween as a stupid idiot, but they were all out of Chris Jericho costumes" and thinking it is the best ever. Like imagining him being "super happy" with that line.....

Then forgetting how Foley would dress for the segment...

[Cool King]

So Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho are actually scripted. Interesting.

Yet the majority of the IWC gush over Owens and "his great promos".

We now find out that his material isn't even his own.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Virtually everyone is scripted though, just some pull it off better than others.

[Mercenary]

I got to be honest haven't watched any wrestling bedsides Hell in a Cell this past week. Something about the ppv just took all winds out of my sails in caring

[Big Vic]

We now find out that his material isn't even his own.He could still write his own part.

[Lock Jaw]

Virtually everyone is scripted though, just some pull it off better than others.

Yeah, Jericho still amazing.....

[Big Vic]

Yeah Jericho got over with his scripted lines..... unlike Christian.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yet the majority of the IWC gush over Owens and "his great promos".

We now find out that his material isn't even his own.

Could be like New Day or Enzo where they pretty much write their own stuff and hand it in for some editing and tweaking.

Think a script from a recent time The Rock was on RAW had just him, Cena, and Heyman with bullet points or improv allowed for their promos.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yet the majority of the IWC gush over Owens and "his great promos".

We now find out that his material isn't even his own.

Well, yeah. Credit to Owens and Jericho for making it sound like their own work, but they clearly just get more focus. The stuff they get is good compared to the stuff other guys are saddled with.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, even though there is a written script, we do not know how much input the rasslers/certain rasslers get into actually writing that script in the first place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's true. Seems like a waste of time for the writers to write down what those wrestlers are going to say if it's their promo though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

That's true. Seems like a waste of time for the writers to write down what those wrestlers are going to say if it's their promo though.

I know CM Punk said that if the script was garbage he just told them to do a re-write to the point where Vince had to have a chat with him. I wonder how many of the guys there now care enough bar minor tweaks since Stone Cold and others have said that guys are afraid to speak up these days.

Ambrose said that he's never been happy with a promo he's done on the WWE main roster because the scripts suck, but he clearly does them anyway. I will say that he either has more freedom since the brand split or just better writers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The problem with having all these writers, is that even if they have genuinely good ideas once in a blue moon, there are competing visions. Wrestling works best when there is some golden ideal that everything is building towards. Person A suggests that they run Kevin Owens vs. Brock Lesnar, for example, then Person B says "Yeah, but with Owens as the babyface," then person C says "Well, we need to get the title onto Brock," then person D says "Owens should drop it to Rollins then onto Brock," and suddenly this idea of two very different professional wrestlers that haven't lost finally clashing is completely out the window. It's not the same idea as the one Person A had.

And if you've got no long-term vision, and if you're not trying to have that vision because you are writing for what Vince wants to see week-to-week, how are you going to script the "characters" to have any vision? How are wrestlers, even if given freedom, supposed to sell their vision as performers to crowds without seeming like idiots when it all goes down the gurgler the next week?

It's a fundamental and philosophical problem the WWE has.

[The CyNick]

The problem with having all these writers, is that even if they have genuinely good ideas once in a blue moon, there are competing visions. Wrestling works best when there is some golden ideal that everything is building towards. Person A suggests that they run Kevin Owens vs. Brock Lesnar, for example, then Person B says "Yeah, but with Owens as the babyface," then person C says "Well, we need to get the title onto Brock," then person D says "Owens should drop it to Rollins then onto Brock," and suddenly this idea of two very different professional wrestlers that haven't lost finally clashing is completely out the window. It's not the same idea as the one Person A had.

And if you've got no long-term vision, and if you're not trying to have that vision because you are writing for what Vince wants to see week-to-week, how are you going to script the "characters" to have any vision? How are wrestlers, even if given freedom, supposed to sell their vision as performers to crowds without seeming like idiots when it all goes down the gurgler the next week?

It's a fundamental and philosophical problem the WWE has.

fortunately the WWE has one guy setting the vision and making final calls in everything. I don't know if you have heard of him Noid, but his name is Vincent Kennedy McMahon.