WWE RAW 11/13/17 feat. The Return of Booman Reigns, Weekly Braun Time, & Cena's lack of Team Red Loyalty

[Emperor Smeat]

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WWE Raw preview, Nov. 13, 2017: Reunited Shield battle The Miz & "The Bar" tonight

With Raw and SmackDown’s battle for brand supremacy at Survivor Series fast approaching, Roman Reigns returns tonight to stand alongside his Shield brothers against Intercontinental Champion The Miz and new Raw Tag Team Champions Cesaro & Sheamus in Six-Man Tag Team action. Also on Raw, Universal Champion Brock Lesnar addresses his new Survivor Series opponent, WWE Champion AJ Styles, and the red brand reacts to the shocking addition of John Cena to Team SmackDown.
Raw Preview : Quick Hits


The Big Dog is back
The Beast Incarnate sounds off on The Phenomenal One
Can Team Raw counter Mr. “Hustle, Loyalty & Respect”?
Triple Threat Match to determine final member of Raw Women's Survivor Series squad
Will Kane once again bring the fight to The Monster Among Men?



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have <a href="https://twitter.com/HeymanHustle?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HeymanHustle</a> cutting a promo on <a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a>. That should make up for anything on a pole we do during this show. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAWTonight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/930122225277128706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[rez]

Paige

[rez]

Is Stephanie going for some kind of Native American naughty school girl?

[Lock Jaw]

RAW kicking off with Stephanie McMahon!! Like the good ole days

[Droford]

Only thing worse than a 20 minute hhh promo to start raw is Steph for 20 minutes

[rez]

oh boy..18 minutes of Stephanie belittling Angle

[Dark One]

Uuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[KIRA]

They had been acting like a rudderless ship without their golden boy...and it was actually awesome but now I suppose we are going back to form.

[Evil Vito]

Calling it now: Steph boots Jordan off the team and replaces him with HHH

[owenbrown]

oh boy..18 minutes of Stephanie belittling Angle

is that an over/under?

[KIRA]

I just realized when Vince dies....Stephine is just like him this is all going to continue

[ClockShot]

I'd like a running gag/angle where every year Steph fires her GM and hires another legend.

First Foley, then Kurt Angle. Maybe have someone like Sting lined up or Ted Dibiase.

[slik]

Can't wait for Steph to emasculate a talent for no reason.

[rez]

is that an over/under?

20 minutes minus their entrances

[owenbrown]

so when is the big Raw vs Smackdown brawl happening? Tonight or tomorrow night?

[rez]

I'd like a running gag/angle where every year Steph fires her GM and hires another legend.

First Foley, then Kurt Angle. Maybe have someone like Sting lined up or Ted Dibiase.

Think she's pissed on Sting's legacy enough :rant::mad:

[Dark One]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/57baef8fd2b857c2cf3cde4a/1471868882017/

[KIRA]

Opening segment needs to start being called Excellence of emasculation with Stephanie McMahon

[Lock Jaw]

Steph emasculating Jason Jordan and he's not even out there

[Emperor Smeat]

So ummm are they going to explain how Cena can just nonchalant switch brands whenever he pleases?

[slik]

Not taking Steph long.

[KIRA]

kill me please

[ClockShot]

As we look at it, Smackdown should crush Raw.

Got a funny feeling it's not going to happen.

[rez]

Atlanta...that's awfully close to Roy Moore for Stephanie to go all school girl outfit.

[A.J.K]

Just waiting for Him to headbutt her already.

[KIRA]

Shes waaaay too old for Moore .i.e she hasnt just started puberty

[Lock Jaw]

I hope they powerbomb Steph through a table

[Dark One]

Balls Stephanie has cut off in 10 minutes:

1) Shane McMahon (Not Present)
2) Jason Jordan (Not Present)
3) Kurt Angle
4) Kurt Angle
5) Kurt Angle

[ClockShot]

Where's Braun?

[Lock Jaw]

Shield looks bad wearing T-Shirts

#GiveRollinsHisPouches

[slik]

The Big Dog, Roman Reigns

[ClockShot]

ZING!

[KIRA]

Heres hoping Reigns weak,womanly immune system doesn't crap out on his boys again Shield is the only way he gets cheers

[rez]

Roman appears to have lost some weight during his illness

[Dark One]

Balls Stephanie has cut off in 10 minutes:

1) Shane McMahon (Not Present)
2) Jason Jordan (Not Present)
3) Kurt Angle
4) Kurt Angle
5) Kurt Angle

6) Seth Rollins
7) Roman Reigns
8) Dean Ambrose
9) Kurt Angle

[Emperor Smeat]

Took 16 minutes for something meaningful to come out of this opening promo.

[KIRA]

Shes actually going for Reign's NUTS

[ClockShot]

Shield vs. New Day doesn't have that appeal Shield vs. Wyatts had.

[slik]

Crowd loves Roman tonight. Shield experiment worked.

[Dark One]

Stephanie's 15 minute reign of terror just another prop to get Roman over.

[KIRA]

Shes still giving him shit

[Evil Vito]

Steph is the dirt worst

[Emperor Smeat]

Not even 20 minutes into the show and Cole mic once again is having problems. WWE is really lazy at fixing whatever this problem is involving his headset.

[rez]

I hope the crowd throws garbage at Heyman when he disses the Phenomenal 1

[KIRA]

Shield vs. New Day doesn't have that appeal Shield vs. Wyatts had.

It doesnt have the appeal of uso/Shield

[Dark One]

That opening segment was the Big Show/Roman Reigns Ironman Match of Opening Segments.

[KIRA]

I think Aj is definitely Vinces new favorite thing

[Lock Jaw]

Not even 20 minutes into the show and Cole mic once again is having problems. WWE is really lazy at fixing whatever this problem is involving his headset.

Maybe I don't pay attention enough, but I hven't heard anything.......

[rez]

They convinced Vince he created AJ.

[KIRA]

Steph has a necklace made of the balls she has snatched off over the weeks

[rez]

what the fuk is that on her head

[Lock Jaw]

Becky Lunch looks so good in that graphic

[ClockShot]

Dana Brooke is still employed?

[Lock Jaw]

Bayley gonna win this match and then Alicia is going to announce WWE Paige as the fifth member of her team

[KIRA]

This ALMOST makes up for making us watch Steph roast 4 sets of chestnuts over an open fire

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stephanie McMahon is a blight. Just saying.

[KIRA]

I know Paige's night is not complete till she gets banged by a stranger hopefully shes not too busy to show up

[Mr. Nerfect]

They want to be considered real television, yet their first 20-minute segment is literally redundant. They could announce what they wanted to announce with a graphic and the commentators just telling us that The Shield vs. The New Day is happening at Survivor Series and we've got these matches tonight.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE will think that The Shield has gotten Roman Reigns popular. Then they will push him against Lesnar and be confused as to why he is booed again.

[KIRA]

Alicia Fox is just the best

[rez]

you tellin me smoking cigarettes can turn you into a wolf person? someone gimme a lighter

[KIRA]

you tellin me smoking cigarettes can turn you into a wolf person? someone gimme a lighter

Right? I have never wanted to light up so badly in my life.

[Lock Jaw]

They want to be considered real television, yet their first 20-minute segment is literally redundant. They could announce what they wanted to announce with a graphic and the commentators just telling us that The Shield vs. The New Day is happening at Survivor Series and we've got these matches tonight.

That would be too little.

What they could have done was just have The Shield come out on their own without the whole Kurt/Steph thing, and just challenge New Day.

[rez]

They should bring in James Storm to manage Mickie.

[Emperor Smeat]

Maybe I don't pay attention enough, but I hven't heard anything.......
Sounds a lot more muffled or as if he has a cold compared to Graves and Booker.


Bayley gonna win this match and then Alicia is going to announce WWE Paige as the fifth member of her team
Probably for the best she doesn't get added since they already have to deal with a potential booking nightmare of how to handle Asuka. Last year's match had Nia's "monster" aura being destroyed.

[Lock Jaw]

R.I.P. Dana Brooke

[GD]

Very odd to see Asuka just standing alongside the ladies.

[KIRA]

I was gonna say did Mickie kill a squirrel to make that thing

[Dark One]

Dana Brooke is still employed?

She's now no longer employed or alive.

[rez]

Asuka should have been brought in as a special treat...Women's division equivalent of Brock. sigh

[KIRA]

Very odd to see Asuka just standing alongside the ladies.

Not often you can just casually stand beside death incarnate

[GD]

"Dana Brooke running away" meme seems to be dead.

[ClockShot]

Can't believe Alicia Fox is leading that team.

Not saying it's a bad thing, but I can see some crazy shenanigans like them wearing weird uniforms during the match.

[rez]

wouldn't have minded if Graves was behind SDL invasions.

[Lock Jaw]

I hate how they keep saying "The Original Shield" tonight.........

[Lock Jaw]

I guess they feel like since Kurt Angle wrestled one match with The Shield, they now have to specify......

[KIRA]

Can't believe Alicia Fox is leading that team.

Not saying it's a bad thing, but I can see some crazy shenanigans like them wearing weird uniforms during the match.

If anybody is gonna lead this team to dominate SD its Alica

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Walkin away from your ex like <a href="https://t.co/4t8cIklFWL">pic.twitter.com/4t8cIklFWL</a></p>&mdash; Erica Steiner (@SendARavenPlz) <a href="https://twitter.com/SendARavenPlz/status/930247190131257344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[KIRA]

If I ever have to sit through an Enzo/Stephine opening segment I'm going to jam an ice pick into my ears

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nothing like Stephanie questioning the merits of nepotism. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAW</a></p>&mdash; The Ultimate Worrier (@WorrierMN) <a href="https://twitter.com/WorrierMN/status/930241192763248641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Lock Jaw]

Love Drew Gulak

[Dark One]

Drew Gulak is a national treasure.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excellent graphic design work on this, and a fantastic message to the universe! Fist them good, guys! <a href="https://t.co/tnEZx6PqDI">https://t.co/tnEZx6PqDI</a></p>&mdash; Drew Gulak (@DrewGulak) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewGulak/status/929904515687616513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Lock Jaw]

Hey, Akira Tozawa is alive

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when Stephanie McMahon took over creative and the WWF's popularity started to plummet? Good times.

[Emperor Smeat]

Guess nobody taught Kalisto any manners since he interrupted Gulak's speech.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Of all the cruiserweights, Drew Gulak might be the least boring.

[KIRA]

Drew Gulak is a national treasure.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excellent graphic design work on this, and a fantastic message to the universe! Fist them good, guys! <a href="https://t.co/tnEZx6PqDI">https://t.co/tnEZx6PqDI</a></p>&mdash; Drew Gulak (@DrewGulak) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewGulak/status/929904515687616513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That is hilarious

[slik]

All of a sudden I want Kalisto and Tozawa as a tag team

[Dark One]

Of all the cruiserweights, Drew Gulak might be the least boring.

Can you imagine going back to 2016 and trying to convince the world this?

[KIRA]

Am I the only one who thinks Tozowa couldve been THE face on 205 live?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish they would drop the cruiserweights and just integrate the talent worth keeping.

[rez]

Remember when Stephanie McMahon took over creative and the WWF's popularity started to plummet? Good times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2zv1wYBqCA

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[Dark One]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please check your tea's temp during tonight's UK <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAW</a>. It's exciting and no one likes a burnt mouth! <a href="https://t.co/OtEgx3uZvx">pic.twitter.com/OtEgx3uZvx</a></p>&mdash; Drew Gulak (@DrewGulak) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewGulak/status/927575588377939970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Mr. Nerfect]

Can you imagine going back to 2016 and trying to convince the world this?

I'm still trying to process that Vince feels that a show about cruiserweights is worth putting on live after SmackDown and often in the top segment on Raw. He's literally given Velocity a main event push.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would like Drew Gulak and The Miz to form a team.

[Lock Jaw]

I wish they would drop the cruiserweights and just integrate the talent worth keeping.

And then if they really wanted to introduce another lower card title. Like the TV or European championship that wouldn't be limited by weight.

[slik]

NWA Cancelled


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Billy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Billy</a> Corgan Says Chad Kroeger Is an 'Incredible Songwriter,' Compares <a href="https://twitter.com/Nickelback?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Nickelback</a> to Porn: <a href="https://t.co/lLbCDeO11T">https://t.co/lLbCDeO11T</a></p>&mdash; Loudwire (@Loudwire) <a href="https://twitter.com/Loudwire/status/930194217938415617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Mr. Nerfect]

Am I the only one who thinks Tozowa couldve been THE face on 205 live?

I like Tozawa enough, but something about he just doesn't play well in the role. It might be my own prejudices, but I like the idea of cruiserweights with more "base" leading the division. But maybe I just haven't seen enough of Tozawa's work.

[Dark One]

I like Tozawa enough, but something about he just doesn't play well in the role. It might be my own prejudices, but I like the idea of cruiserweights with more "base" leading the division. But maybe I just haven't seen enough of Tozawa's work.

NOID IS CLEARLY A RACIST

[slik]

Why do they keep calling them 'The Original Shield'...

[slik]

Am I the only one who thinks Tozowa couldve been THE face on 205 live?

I thought so too.

[ClockShot]

Neville isn't coming back, is he?

[GD]

Tozawa such a "badass" in the CWC.

[rez]

Just 'Glam' 205 up, toss em on Netflix, and behold the binge power.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And then if they really wanted to introduce another lower card title. Like the TV or European championship that wouldn't be limited by weight.

I don't think they really need more belts, but yeah, people might actually care about some of them. Brian Kendrick as a heel running around on SmackDown with the Daniel Bryan friendship would be interesting. Rich Swann could be an understudy for The New Day, which at least gives them a clothesline for material. Drew Gulak could do his "No Fly Zone" gimmick with virtually anyone. Cedric Alexander can put some weight back on. It'd be preferable to what they are doing now, where they inhabit this "not over" zone.

[GD]

Wow! Enzo Amore beating Tyler Bate and Tozawa in a matter of a week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I probably won't watch it, but I am excited about the idea of John Cena and Samoa Joe interacting at Survivor Series.

[Lock Jaw]

Was fully expecting Kalisto to pin the champ in that match

Just imagine what that would have meant for this Sunday night!

[slik]

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[Emperor Smeat]

I wish they would drop the cruiserweights and just integrate the talent worth keeping.

Still can't understand why they don't even bother learning from the large amount of WCW Nitro tapes they own on how to handle the Cruiser division correctly.

Besides some bright moments here and there, everything about it and 205 Live has been a huge disappointment overall.

[Dark One]

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It's like you're not even trying, man.

"'The Original Shield' will face off with the BOOTY-O SLINGING ORIGINAL NEW DAY at THE ONE NIGHT A YEAR WHERE RAW AND SMACKDOWN FACE OFF IN IN-RING COMPETITION, WWE SURVIVOR SERIES, which you can see if you start your free trial of the award-winning WWE Network."

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not even watching and I am bothered by how much they are saying "The Original Shield."

[Dark One]

My favorite incarnation of the Shield is Dean Ambrose, James Ellsworth, and Chad Patton.

[Lock Jaw]

Ha ha Kurt and his phone

[ClockShot]

BRAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!

And, a few other guys.

[KIRA]

"Because we know you didn't get enough of that opening segment!"

[Lock Jaw]

Kurt said "Braun Strawman"

ha ha

[ClockShot]

Awwwwwwwwww fuck. It's the main event?

[Lock Jaw]

Bray Wyatt back to life I guess

Wonder if they will ever mention Sister Abigail stuff again

[Dark One]

Can't wait for Braun to unify all the championships into the BRAAAAAAAUNNNNN Championship.

[Dark One]

Kurt said "Braun Strawman"

ha ha

Brann Strawman gonna be dubdubee champ.

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder if people will care more or less about The Miz vs. Sin Cara than they do Miz vs. Baron Corbin

[KIRA]

BRAUN WILL EAT YOU FLAG BOY AND SPIT OUT THE STARS GIVE HIM ANYTHING HE WANTS

[Evil Vito]

An hour into a weekly three hour show and Kurt has booked his main event. Good to see he was hard at work putting together this Raw card during his last six days off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Still can't understand why they don't even bother learning from the large amount of WCW Nitro tapes they own on how to handle the Cruiser division correctly.

Besides some bright moments here and there, everything about it and 205 Live has been a huge disappointment overall.

The cruisers in the WWE were always going to be a bad idea. #1-wwf-fan and I used to disagree on this, because he had the viewpoint that they didn't have to be, and he's right, except we're talking about the WWE.

The belts that matter, if any do, are the "World" Titles. That's it. If you're a cruiserweight who matters then you are not in the Cruiserweight Division. See: Rey Mysterio when he was getting pushed, Finn Balor. Enzo Amore was sent there and pushed despite nuclear heat.

Being a certain size in New Japan might work for guys, but even there the aim is to move out and onto the heavyweights. The idea that a Cruiserweight Title is going to be treated as a legitimate World Title for people 205lbs or under is just not a realistic expectation to have of WWE and Vince McMahon.

The CWC was a cute idea for the Network. It could have (re)introduced some personalities that could have gained traction. Brian Kendrick, Tajiri, Cedric Alexander, Johnny Gargano, TJ Perkins and Gran Metalik all had stuff going for them when the tourny was over. Who means the most out of them now? Johnny Gargano. He's not main roster and he's not associated with the cruiserweights.

They should have just kept it limited to a tournament that could cycle in some fresh faces. Try and get it on USA or ESPN every year and hope that it generates some money. But they got the idea that small guys draw from it, as opposed to the idea that a sports-based presentation with stakes worked.

I'm going all over the place with this, but basically the idea of a Crusierweight Division in the WWE is dumb, because you want to be a heavyweight, so when the term "cruiserweight" was exiled, everybody got more of a chance. Now you are reminding people that people are little again, and they're being booked in the same style and no one gives a flying fuck, and it was always going to be that way, just like it was always going to be that Asuka would end up as just another girl.

[Lock Jaw]

An hour into a weekly three hour show and Kurt has booked his main event. Good to see he was hard at work putting together this Raw card during his last six days off.

Yeah, always found it weird when they make their main events during the show

It's like "Ok, what was your plan for the show before this?"

[Emperor Smeat]

Going to laugh if another title change happens with the US and/or Smackdown's Women's championships. Would be a clear sign the WWE realized the initial inter-brand matchups were terrible or didn't make sense with their traditional heel-face style bookings.

[KIRA]

Just 'Glam' 205 up, toss em on Netflix, and behold the binge power.

Or y'know Lucha Underground is already on there


Miz is burning Corbin's shit to the ground

[Mr. Nerfect]

An hour into a weekly three hour show and Kurt has booked his main event. Good to see he was hard at work putting together this Raw card during his last six days off.

Another reason most people think wrestling is stupid.

[Lock Jaw]

[Insert weekly "Sheamus theme is the best" post here]

[rez]

wait....the show is only an hour in?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Charlotte Flair winning the SmackDown Women's Title always seemed like a possibility. Sin Cara winning the US Title would be better for everyone. That being said, there is this perverse dichotomy between Miz and Corbin, even though they are both heels. I was kind of thinking that both might lose their belts but that they'd still have the match.

[rez]

:wtf::|:-\

[KIRA]

Charlotte Flair winning the SmackDown Women's Title always seemed like a possibility. Sin Cara winning the US Title would be better for everyone. That being said, there is this perverse dichotomy between Miz and Corbin, even though they are both heels. I was kind of thinking that both might lose their belts but that they'd still have the match.

ehhhh okay?

[ClockShot]

I got a few ideas, Miz.

[Emperor Smeat]

The cruisers in the WWE were always going to be a bad idea. #1-wwf-fan and I used to disagree on this, because he had the viewpoint that they didn't have to be, and he's right, except we're talking about the WWE ..

I'm going all over the place with this, but basically the idea of a Crusierweight Division in the WWE is dumb, because you want to be a heavyweight, so when the term "cruiserweight" was exiled, everybody got more of a chance. Now you are reminding people that people are little again, and they're being booked in the same style and no one gives a flying fuck, and it was always going to be that way, just like it was always going to be that Asuka would end up as just another girl.
Biggest mistake was having Vince be in total control of the division considering its arguably the one thing he can't book correct or handle based on history.

Agree on the last part since nothing about the division really feels unique compared to the CWC or even how other companies promote Cruiser style wrestling. Triple H had the right idea about wanting to limit wear and tear but WWE went overboard with the restrictions and forcing the WWE style on the division.

[KIRA]

Are they having a laugh with Cesaro sounding like mushmouth I know the teeth and all but it feels like they are turning it into a thing

[KIRA]

Miz has been taking cues from elementary school teachers his voice is just like theirs with that mouth shut thing

[KIRA]

It was like 2 or 3 years

[KIRA]

Zack Ryder looks like he needs to be in a sex offender registry with that beard and smile

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Suffering succotash! We, The New Day, accept the Shield’s challenge at Survivor Series but request that all shock-absorbing body armor including (but not limited to) protective vests, shoulder pads, and heavy wool sweaters be disallowed for competitive use.</p>&mdash; ShinigamE (@WWEBigE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBigE/status/930246557127016448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[GD]

"The Original Shield" :nono:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Biggest mistake was having Vince be in total control of the division considering its arguably the one thing he can't book correct or handle based on history.

Agree on the last part since nothing about the division really feels unique compared to the CWC or even how other companies promote Cruiser style wrestling. Triple H had the right idea about wanting to limit wear and tear but WWE went overboard with the restrictions and forcing the WWE style on the division.

Even so, the style of wrestling is integrated into WWE programming now. Everybody flips and dives. Cruiserweight wrestling has been amalgamated into the ring product. Going "harder" or "faster" wouldn't have necessarily helped it, because that shit just loses people too. The format of the CWC could have been applied to African-American talents, or giant heavyweights, or just had an international theme. The idea that they all had to make a weight limit was cute, but wasn't actually that important beyond a storytelling device for how much hard work Cedric Alexander did to qualify.

That it got over because of "cruiserweights" is the wrong idea to take from it, I think. It got over because of realistic human drama and the stakes of being knocked out and your dream being over. And the matches were good, but a large part of that is the vibe around them and that they were part of a larger story that mattered to them. They weren't good because the guys were small or wrestling any faster than they were on 205 Live.

TJ Perkins should have won the tournament and received an NXT Title shot and probably won the belt. Turns out the guy is a piece of shit, and he wouldn't have been my pick to take the whole thing, but once you've got him there, that's where you go, in my opinion. He proves he's the pound-for-pound best, but now he's got to go swimming with larger sharks. He succeeds. Babyface story complete.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm glad they keep saying The Original Shield or else I would totally get confused and assume Kurt Angle was wrestling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Suffering succotash! We, The New Day, accept the Shield’s challenge at Survivor Series but request that all shock-absorbing body armor including (but not limited to) protective vests, shoulder pads, and heavy wool sweaters be disallowed for competitive use.</p>&mdash; ShinigamE (@WWEBigE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBigE/status/930246557127016448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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They want Roman Reigns to be a hero for kids, but they dress him like a pussy in safety gear.

[rez]

after SS they should give The Shield the Vacation Griswald kid treatment week in week out.

[Dark One]

Zack Ryder looks like he needs to be in a sex offender registry with that beard and smile

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/878/ed0.gif

[GD]

He's baaaaaaack...

[Emperor Smeat]

Bray getting sick right before the Sister Braygail vs DEMON Balor match might have been the best thing to ever happen to him in the WWE. Even more than winning the WWE title because the Sister Braygail was a career disaster thing in the making with the way the Balor feud was heading towards.

[KIRA]

Bray Wyatt is the living breathing example of how incompetent this company is

[Dark One]

Bray getting sick right before the Sister Braygail vs DEMON Balor might have been the best thing to ever happen to him in the WWE. Even more than winning the WWE title because the Sister Braygail was a career disaster thing in the making with the way the Balor feud was heading towards.

It's okay.

When Kurt gets fired by Stephanie and Bray is introduced as the new GM Mrs Abigail, he'll still be boned.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1902660.1407970057!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/robin-williams-mrs-doubtfire.jpg

[rez]

Bray just needs to get a release or be released. Glacier WCW levels of fail but over a much larger span of time

[KIRA]

They couldve gotten Jordan over by just letting him wrestle but noooo Vince needs his soap opera bullshit

[KIRA]

Bray just needs to get a release or be released. Glacier WCW levels of fail but over a much larger span of time

I dont know that its that bad he can actually put on good matches

but goddamn if they aint trying their best

[Dark One]

That ragged stuffed panda commercial is going to kill me.

[rez]

That ragged stuffed panda commercial is going to kill me.

:heart: that commercal. the feels

[Lock Jaw]

Would be funny if the one match Bray Wyatt wins is this one

[Dark One]

They couldve gotten Jordan over by just letting him wrestle but noooo Vince needs his soap opera bullshit

Let's not act like Jason Jordan is Daniel Bryan or something. He didn't even get over on his ring work in NXT. He got over by being the dude Chad Gable said obnoxiously cheesy stuff to.

[Lock Jaw]

I jinxed him

[KIRA]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/878/ed0.gif

there is something I could say here but in the current climate it would be in poor taste and I'd end up issuing a politicians apology ala DAMNINATOR

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at Bray losing.

[GD]

lol Booker getting grilled.

[Lock Jaw]

Thought Bray's penis was sticking out, but it was just his belt

[rez]

I dont know that its that bad he can actually put on good matches

but goddamn if they aint trying their best

Oh, Bray can go. No argument there...just all the "effort" they put in into the theatrics.

[Lock Jaw]

"Thank You Wyatt" chants

[Triple A]

Bray Wyatt better not replace Jason Jordan.........................

[KIRA]

Let's not act like Jason Jordan is Daniel Bryan or something. He didn't even get over on his ring work in NXT. He got over by being the dude Chad Gable said obnoxiously cheesy stuff to.

I'm not saying he wouldve even come close to DB I'm mostly saying he wouldnt be getting booed like he is at the very least

[Triple A]

fans h8 him cause he's black probably.............

[GD]

"Thank You Wyatt" chants

I don't know anymore.

[Lock Jaw]

Jordan really just needs to go heel already and admit he faked the whole thing with being Kurt's son

[Lock Jaw]

Then he can snap and become a badass submission machine

[Triple A]

dumb ass idiot fans

[Emperor Smeat]

This has been something that's bugged me for a while. Is a Uranage supposed to be a modified Rock Bottom or a lazy style chokeslam?


:lol: at "Na Na Na Goodbye" chants to Jordan

[Triple A]

I just started watching, did this crowd chant "what" @ every promo so far... they seem like the type...................

[Shisen Kopf]

He's a mulatto actually @triple a

[rez]

Jordan really just needs to go heel already and admit he faked the whole thing with being Kurt's son

...with Graves by his side. Graves as the mastermind.

Graves could be a modern day Bischoff on screen but won't happen.

[Dark One]

there is something I could say here but in the current climate it would be in poor taste and I'd end up issuing a politicians apology ala DAMNINATOR

Did I miss some sweet, sweet forum drama?

[Lock Jaw]

I just started watching, did this crowd chant "what" @ every promo so far... they seem like the type...................

Don't think they have done it yet

[rez]

Jordan can be expendable..but Graves is money.

[Ruien]

Jordan is amazing. Fuck this crowd.

[rez]

his big break is being 1 guy in a stacked tag team match that's for bragging rights..okayyyyy

[KIRA]

Did I miss some sweet, sweet forum drama?

Not too big Damninator made a bad sexual harrasment related joke and it went over like bad jokes do...badly.

[rez]

THROW GARBAGE, ATLANTA

[Lock Jaw]

Mike Lient has authorized him to be out there

[rez]

sell dat network

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jason Jordan will turn heel at Survivor Series and reveal it was all a plan.

[Dark One]

https://i.imgur.com/76bX97u.jpg

[rez]

Jason Jordan will turn heel at Survivor Series and reveal it was all a plan.

you mean he's not really his son?

[Triple A]

paul heyman lesnar promos so freaking boring... why would they do the same exact promo like 983257892539782538795238795238973258979782357892987253798253897253987 times in a row

[Dark One]

paul heyman lesnar promos so freaking boring... why would they do the same exact promo like 983257892539782538795238795238973258979782357892987253798253897253987 times in a row

Have you tried shouting "What?" at your TV?

[rez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytVyzMp5KAg

I hear you, Paul. good song. forgot about it

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

you mean he's not really his son?

Oh no, that part will stay true. But he'll just be angry that Kurt was never there and he and Corey Graves planned to invade Raw all the way back in July or whenever it was. They will also introduce Bianca Belair as Justine Jordan -- Jason's twin sister.

[GD]

Someone proposed :lol:

[owenbrown]

did someone interrupt Paul Heyman's promo with a marriage proposal? :lol:

[Dark One]

Bold choice to propose to your girlfriend while Brock Lesnar is in the ring.

[Dark One]

Remember when Heyman shit on Jinder a month ago?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock should kill him for sport.

[Evil Vito]

That marriage proposal didn't happen in the ring. Tazz Dan still wins.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tazz Dan will always win in my mind.

[rez]

Good job, Vince. You grew a great one in AJ Styles.

[KIRA]

Paul is a god

also com'on man proposing at a wrestling show

Unless you are in the middle of that ring with Chris Fuckin Jericho cheering you on you aint shit dude.

RIP Tazz Dan

[Dark One]

Tazz Dan also lived longer afterward than the dude that proposed tonight will given that Brock and Paul are going to go murder him as soon as we get to commercial.

[KIRA]

Survive the F5 is a way less corny shirt than Suplex city

[Dark One]

Wait.

Did Brock just shake hands with that kid?

I thought Brock didn't give a shit about kids.

[Shisen Kopf]

Tazz Dan proposed at a house show. This is MONDAY NIGHT RAW.

[KIRA]

Good job, Vince. You grew a great one in AJ Styles.

Pssst how long do we need to lie to Vince?

[rez]

he's just marking him as his territory before he heads back up to saskachweannnah whatever canada to hibernate until Wrestlemania.

[rez]

Pssst how long do we need to lie to Vince?

until he's dead..and in the ground..with 6 feet of dirt to make sure he doesn't come back.

[KIRA]

Tazz Dan proposed at a house show. This is MONDAY NIGHT RAW.

Tazz Dan pulled off what most of us dream about

that shmuck proposing to his girl it can be said he never even proposed at all its so insignificant then he got blasted and compared to a wrecking ball like Brock Lesnar

[Mr. Nerfect]

What was Heyman's promo on AJ like?

[rez]

never speak of Vince not making AJ. he's gonna be in some mausoleum able to exit and enter as he pleases.

[rez]

What was Heyman's promo on AJ like?

mostly positive.

[KIRA]

What was Heyman's promo on AJ like?

Really good till some random asshole in the crowd decided to propose

[rez]

Where the fuck is Paige? Did Alberto whatever his TNA name come in and snatch her? Should be some amber alerts buzzing audience phones.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What did Heyman say about him? It's fair enough if no one can be bothered recapping, but I don't feel like watching Raw.

[KIRA]

never speak of Vince not making AJ. he's gonna be in some mausoleum able to exit and enter as he pleases.

let me try:

Man vince is a brilliant son of a bitch taking a hungry young pup like AJ Styles
and building him into a name loved the world over I can't even think of where Styles would be without him. Probably just be some indy fuck

[Evil Vito]

Whilst I assume Owens and Zayn will cost Smackdown the match....Jordan turning on Team Raw and it turning out that he's been conning Kurt the whole time about being his son would be kinda cool.

By "kinda cool" I mean "actually really daft, but it might be the only way to salvage Jordan after this horrendous face run"

[GD]

Booker is all over the place :rofl:

[Dark One]

Drunk Uncle Booker extra off the rails today.

[Mr. Nerfect]

let me try:

Man vince is a brilliant son of a bitch taking a hungry young pup like AJ Styles
and building him into a name loved the world over I can't even think of where Styles would be without him. Probably just be some indy fuck

That's weird.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Booker might actually win the Worst Announcer Award from the Observer this year. But there is some pretty stiff competition actually.

[KIRA]

What did Heyman say about him? It's fair enough if no one can be bothered recapping, but I don't feel like watching Raw.

Heyman told the guy the only reason she said Yes is because she hasn't been with a beast like Brock and inturrupting him is like being in the ring with Brock.

[rez]

Graves needs to be GM of both shows. They already are working him like a horse working both shows and all PPVs.

[Mr. Nerfect]

We don't really need GMs.

[KIRA]

We don't really need GMs.

Yep they arent even really plot devices any more just victims for Stephenie

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SIERRA<br>HOTEL<br>INDIA<br>ECHO<br>LIMA<br>Don't try to crash the Shield's entrance, you goof. <a href="https://t.co/kukJxbcfvS">pic.twitter.com/kukJxbcfvS</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/930268497590013953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Poor Kurt. Trying to sneak in as a member of the Shield and got busted :shifty:

[KIRA]

Cesaro sneaking like a cartoon bear

[Triple A]

crowd finally likes Roman Reigns I guess... good job @ WWE

[Mr. Nerfect]

They like him in The Shield. Outside that context they will boo him.

[GD]

Roman seems to be a tad bit off.

[Emperor Smeat]

crowd finally likes Roman Reigns I guess... good job @ WWE
Not really. They just like The Shield a lot more and likely go right back to booing Reigns once he goes back to his usual booking post-Sheild.

[rez]

I feel like the WWE is in some kind of time paradox that I cannot explain and the performers are all Dolph Ziggler at different points of his career..

[owenbrown]

why the fuck is Miz being buried? :'(

[GD]

He's a utility player, brother brother.

[Dark One]

Roman seems to be a tad bit off.

I mean, he did just recover from AIDS.

[Dark One]

I feel like the WWE is in some kind of time paradox that I cannot explain and the performers are all Dolph Ziggler at different points of his career..

Yo, man, being high as fuck on painkillers is my gimmick.

[Lock Jaw]

THE DEMON KANE

[rez]

Yuengling tall boys... close enough

[Dark One]

"Even someone as sick and depraved as me can smile."

-Jacobs for Mayor 2018

[Shisen Kopf]

I mean, he did just recover from AIDS.

AIDS??

[rez]

AIDS??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au0GRWUbqN8

https://a248.e.akamai.net/ib.huluim.com/video/40006961?size=476x268&region=us

[Dark One]

AIDS??

That's right.

Even AIDS had to put over Roman Reigns.

[Dark One]

I look forward to someone coming to this thread in 2030 on the Internet Wayback Machine and thinking Roman Reigns legitimately had AIDs.

[KIRA]

I mean, he did just recover from AIDS.

You said it I didnt I was gonna say thats what happens when you have hookers spit in your mouth

[rez]

WHERE IS PAIGE

[Lock Jaw]

MY SON, SHANE much catchier than My Son, Jason Jordan

[rez]

it's not a big deal, jason.

[Dark One]

https://i.imgur.com/76bX97u.jpg

RIP

[Dark One]

WHERE IS PAIGE

She's gonna be the fifth member of the Raw Men's Team.