Crown Jewel / Saudi Arabia

[Simple Fan]

Except you didn’t say you’re reserving judgment. You said






Your mind was already made up before you knew anything about anything. So let’s drop the aw shucks can’t we all just get along nonsense, please.

Yeah I just don't give a shit about it and I don't judge people. I don't see how me making my mind up stops me from getting along with any of you.

[Simple Fan]

That’s cool, that’s cool. Which rights do the people born under a corrupt monarchy/dictatorship not get?

The ones their king/dictator says they don't have.

[Simple Fan]

Is Simple Fan playing a character?

No

[Mr. Nerfect]

Very surprised MAYOR KANE hasn't John Cena'ed himself out of this show.

I was kind of surprised that he didn't too. The guy wants a future in politics and stayed loyal to WWE. He's got to be one of Vince's favorites.

Yeah I just don't give a shit about it and I don't judge people. I don't see how me making my mind up stops me from getting along with any of you.

Because it's willfully ignorant and many people don't like associating with people who support murderous dictators.

[slik]

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[Simple Fan]

Bruh, you literally said your knowledge of this was from watching WWE’s video about Saudi Arabia. Then when multiple people pointed out all that is terrible about Saudi Arabia, your response was that you weren’t sure if you believed all those stories. They’re your words, babe.

Okay I thought you were talking about the journalist with the video part. As far as the WWE show goes they did show stuff that showed they are giving women more rights. Yes I don't believe that Saudi Arabia is that bad off, their women don't have as many rights but that's changing. You can choose to believe the bad stuff I'll focus on the positive.

[Simple Fan]

I was kind of surprised that he didn't too. The guy wants a future in politics and stayed loyal to WWE. He's got to be one of Vince's favorites.



Because it's willfully ignorant and many people don't like associating with people who support murderous dictators.

Never said I support him, I'm just not going to call him a murderer.

[Simple Fan]

Very surprised MAYOR KANE hasn't John Cena'ed himself out of this show.

Kane knows not going does nothing to help that country.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Okay I thought you were talking about the journalist with the video part. As far as the WWE show goes they did show stuff that showed they are giving women more rights. Yes I don't believe that Saudi Arabia is that bad off, their women don't have as many rights but that's changing. You can choose to believe the bad stuff I'll focus on the positive.

They locked up one of the women who appeared in their videos since they made it. They also locked up more women who dared to drive, and I think they sentenced another one to death. How do you not get that the WWE are doing propaganda for this regime. When they say "It's getting better," it is a fiction designed to make people like you sit back and let them get away with doing the awful shit they are doing.

Never said I support him, I'm just not going to call him a murderer.

That's right, you just don't care if he cuts women's heads off or gets his men to hack up a journalist for daring to tell the truth about his country, and won't have the intellectual honesty to admit that a murderer is a murderer. How can you not get how that would make people uncomfortable?

[Sixx]

Never said I support him, I'm just not going to call him a murderer.

I don't care what John Wayne Gacy did in his free time, I'm not gonna judge h...

Wait, that was in America! Fucking murdering pedo psychopath!

[Sepholio]

I don't care what John Wayne Gacy did in his free time, I'm not gonna judge h...

Wait, that was in America! Fucking murdering pedo psychopath!

Nah he wouldn't react like that. Wasn't in his state.

[Evil Vito]

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[Sixx]

Nah he wouldn't react like that. Wasn't in his bedroom.

More like.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

"If it didn't happen within the confines of my underpants, it's not a crime!" - Simple Fan

[Simple Fan]

I dont know where you guys are coming from with all that. I'm American and care about America. Saudi Arabia can do what ever the hell they please. Do you guys honestly care about what goes on over there, if so why?

[#1-norm-fan]

The same reason you care about what happens in America and not JUST what happens in your state. You just stop at America for some reason. Others don’t because that’s an arbitrary place to stop. It doesn’t make sense.

[Simple Fan]

They locked up one of the women who appeared in their videos since they made it. They also locked up more women who dared to drive, and I think they sentenced another one to death. How do you not get that the WWE are doing propaganda for this regime. When they say "It's getting better," it is a fiction designed to make people like you sit back and let them get away with doing the awful shit they are doing.



That's right, you just don't care if he cuts women's heads off or gets his men to hack up a journalist for daring to tell the truth about his country, and won't have the intellectual honesty to admit that a murderer is a murderer. How can you not get how that would make people uncomfortable?

They are giving them those rights though. You say he's cutting women's heads off, that's a new one to me. Do you know this for fact or just another news story you chose to believe? That's all I'm saying is I don't know what goes down over there and today's media is not trustworthy enough to take their word. So just because someone believes something different than you it make you uncomfortable, you must be uncomfortable alot.

[Simple Fan]

The same reason you care about what happens in America and not JUST what happens in your state. You just stop at America for some reason. Others don’t because that’s an arbitrary place to stop. It doesn’t make sense.

Why doesn't it? I'm American, I care about America. Makes plenty of sense.

[#1-norm-fan]

You’re not getting it.

Others are earthlings. They care about earth.

Why do you drop down to America and then stop? If you’re going to narrow it down in the first place, why not go down to your region? Or your state? Or your city?

[GD]

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[#1-norm-fan]

Pretend you are talking to someone who only cares what happens in their state and fuck the rest of the country. They don’t get why you care what’s going on elsewhere in America. “ I’m an Ohioan. I care about Ohio. Makes perfect sense.”

[Simple Fan]

My region, my state, and my city are all in the USA man. They're America. Earthlings is a funny word.

[Simple Fan]

Pretend you are talking to someone who only cares what happens in their state and fuck the rest of the country. They don’t get why you care what’s going on elsewhere in America. “ I’m an Ohioan. I care about Ohio. Makes perfect sense.”

They can care about Ohio, that's fine with me.

[slik]

today's media is not trustworthy enough to take their word.

What makes you say this, just curious!

[Sixx]

My region, my state, and my city are all in the USA man. They're America. Earthlings is a funny word.

And America is on Earth.

Do you still not follow?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So just to be clear, if your mother’s house was broken into in America and she was brutally raped for hours, that’d be bad. If someone else’s mother’s house was broken into in Mexico and she was brutally raped for hours, you don’t care because it’s not in America.

Is that correct?

[Simple Fan]

And America is on Earth.

Do you still not follow?

Duh but its too big to care about every damn thing that goes on around it. Is that what you guys are hung up on?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Follow up question: if your mother was on vacation in Mexico and her hotel room was broken into and she was brutally raped for hours, is that bad or would you not care?

[#1-norm-fan]

REALLY trying to help you understand this. I know they’re all part of America. Just like all other countries are part of earth for us. It doesn’t make sense to you to narrow it down to your state, city, etc. because it’s all part of America. It doesn’t make sense to us to narrow it down to those things either... OR to our country. Because those are all part of our planet.

[Simple Fan]

What makes you say this, just curious!

Fake news is everywhere.

[Simple Fan]

Follow up question: if your mother was on vacation in Mexico and her hotel room was broken into and she was brutally raped for hours, is that bad or would you not care?

Yeah that's bad and I'd tell my Mom not to go to Mexico. She'd never want to go to Mexico though. That's a complete different scenario though, had this journalist been of any relation to me I'd care about it yeah but that's not the case.

[#1-norm-fan]

Duh but its too big to care about every damn thing that goes on around it. Is that what you guys are hung up on?

It’s too big? So you made the decision that your country is just the right size to be able to care about? If someone came to you and said “I only care about the northwest United States.” Would you be like “That’s silly. You can care about more.” Then when they’re like “Yeah. Maybe I’ll care about all of North America” would you be like “Nah. Too much to be able to care about. Just this one country is the sweet spot.”?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah that's bad and I'd tell my Mom not to go to Mexico. She'd never want to go to Mexico though. That's a complete different scenario though, had this journalist been of any relation to me I'd care about it yeah but that's not the case.

So when Natalee Holloway, an innocent American citizen who you don’t know, went to Aruba and was abducted and either sold into sex slavery or murdered back in 2005, was that bad or did you not care?

[Simple Fan]

REALLY trying to help you understand this. I know they’re all part of America. Just like all other countries are part of earth for us. It doesn’t make sense to you to narrow it down to your state, city, etc. because it’s all part of America. It doesn’t make sense to you us to narrow it down to those things either... OR to our country. Because those are all part of our planet.

I understand what you are saying, we're all on earth yeah. Thats common sense. I don't have to care or pay attention to everything that goes wrong around the world when they're injustices like this one that happen over here all the time.

[Simple Fan]

It’s too big? So you made the decision that your country is just the right size to be able to care about? If someone came to you and said “I only care about the northwest United States.” Would you be like “That’s silly. You can care about more.” Then when they’re like “Yeah. Maybe I’ll care about all of North America” would you be like “Nah. Too much to be able to care about. Just this one country is the sweet spot.”?

No I'd say that's cool, care about what you want. There is no sweet spot or anything like that.

[#1-norm-fan]

I understand what you are saying, we're all on earth yeah. Thats common sense. I don't have to care or pay attention to everything that goes wrong around the world when they're injustices like this one that happen over here all the time.

Okay. But why do you stop narrowing it down when you reach America? Why not narrow it down further? You have to understand by now that “My city, state, region, etc. are all part of America.” doesn’t answer that question.

[Simple Fan]

So when Natalee Holloway, an innocent American citizen who you don’t know, went to Aruba and was abducted and either sold into sex slavery or murdered back in 2005, was that bad or did you not care?

Never heard about it, was it bad yeah. She should have stayed in America it sounds like. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia is good but its not of my concern nor my position to judge their rulers.

[Simple Fan]

Okay. But why do you stop narrowing it down when you reach America? Why not narrow it down further? You have to understand by now that “My city, state, region, etc. are all part of America.” doesn’t answer that question.

Why doesn't it? I care about my city, state, region same as I do my country. I'm not narrowing anything down, I think that's you doing that. I just choose not to concern myself with stuff half way around the world.

[#1-norm-fan]

You choose to only care about stuff in your country. You're literally narrowing down what you care about to things happening in your country. You can't be serious when you say "I'm not narrowing anything down". That's the entire discussion.

[#1-norm-fan]

And the reason "They're all part of America" doesn't answer the question is the same reason the following conversation doesn't make sense:

"I'll only date women who own 17 or fewer pairs of shoes."

"That seems like and oddly arbitrary number. Why 17 specifically? Why not 13 pairs of shoes? Or 9? Or 4?"

"Well 13, 9 and 4 are all fewer 17."

"I know but I'm saying 17 pairs of shoes seems like an arbitrary number of shoes to care about a woman having. Why 17 and why not narrow it down to, say 12? Or 6?"

"12 and 6 are fewer than 17."

"... I know that. That doesn't answer my question."

"Why doesn't it?"

[Simple Fan]

Do you honestly follow everything that goes on in the world? Hell I don't even follow everything that goes on in America but those things are closer to home. I just don't see any reason to concern myself with foreign affairs. You're the one that started with the narrowing down of stuff down to states and regions and such not me, I'm just a normal American that cares about America like most others.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Let’s just take this to it’s logical extreme. Simple Fan, was the Holocaust bad or is that something you don’t care about it because it happened halfway around the world to non-Americans?

[Sixx]

Never heard about it, was it bad yeah. She should have stayed in America it sounds like. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia is good but its not of my concern nor my position to judge their rulers.

Once you go on vacation abroad - you're off Fan's care list.

[Swiss Ultimate]

The American Left only cares about Saudi Arabia now because Trump is in power, period. They ignore atrocities all over the world to push their agenda. If Trump came out strong against Saudi Arabia they'd call him an Islamaphobe.

As I said. The whole world is pretty terrible on human rights, but people like Noid only care about wrasslin' and their shitty domestic politics.

The only reason they're pretending to care about Saudi Arabia now and not from 2009-2016 is because of who is in power.

[Simple Fan]

And the reason "They're all part of America" doesn't answer the question is the same reason the following conversation doesn't make sense:

"I'll only date women who own 17 or fewer pairs of shoes."

"That seems like and oddly arbitrary number. Why 17 specifically? Why not 13 pairs of shoes? Or 9? Or 4?"

"Well 13, 9 and 4 are all fewer 17."

"I know but I'm saying 17 pairs of shoes seems like an arbitrary number of shoes to care about a woman having. Why 17 and why not narrow it down to, say 12? Or 6?"

"12 and 6 are fewer than 17."

"... I know that. That doesn't answer my question."

"Why doesn't it?"

You've lost me with this one but what if you ask this guy about a woman with 18 pairs of shoes? Will he say 18 is higher than 17? Maybe the guy just likes women with 17 pairs of shoes.

[#1-norm-fan]

Do you honestly follow everything that goes on in the world? Hell I don't even follow everything that goes on in America but those things are closer to home. I just don't see any reason to concern myself with foreign affairs. You're the one that started with the narrowing down of stuff down to states and regions and such not me, I'm just a normal American that cares about America like most others.

Firstly, I don't follow everything that goes on anywhere. When something does come to my attention though, I don't base my thoughts and feelings on whether it was in my country or not.

Secondly, yes. I brought up the phrasing of "narrowing down" things. I don't know why that's so relevant. You are narrowing down what you care about to your country. You've admitted that. You can't possibly say you aren't at this point. Seriously. There's no level of misunderstanding that I can possibly imagine where you can say you only care about stuff that happens in your country but you're not narrowing down what you care about to a specific part of the world. Can we at least get past this roadblock? I'm trying to have a nice conversation here but if you can't agree that you're narrowing down what you care about from the world to your own country then... My God... I don't even know where to go from here.

[Simple Fan]

Let’s just take this to it’s logical extreme. Simple Fan, was the Holocaust bad or is that something you don’t care about it because it happened halfway around the world to non-Americans?

The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.

[Evil Vito]

Droford's pro-Joe Flacco arguments make him look like a Mensa member compared to Simple Fan rn

[#1-norm-fan]

The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.

I'm personally much more offended that you gave Supreme such clear, cut-and-dry response while I'm having to pull teeth than I am about you not caring about millions of innocent Jews being murdered.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.

You know what? Props to you for being consistent.

[Simple Fan]

Firstly, I don't follow everything that goes on anywhere. When something does come to my attention though, I don't base my thoughts and feelings on whether it was in my country or not.

Secondly, yes. I brought up the phrasing of "narrowing down" things. I don't know why that's so relevant. You are narrowing down what you care about to your country. You've admitted that. You can't possibly say you aren't at this point. Seriously. There's no level of misunderstanding that I can possibly imagine where you can say you only care about stuff that happens in your country but you're not narrowing down what you care about to a specific part of the world. Can we at least get past this roadblock? I'm trying to have a nice conversation here but if you can't agree that you're narrowing down what you care about from the world to your own country then... My God... I don't even know where to go from here.

If you want to look at it as me narrowing down I guess you can. I have no problem with you seeing it that way. Yeah stuff that goes on in America is going to be more important to me than other things, if that's narrowing down so be it.

[Simple Fan]

I'm personally much more offended that you gave Supreme such clear, cut-and-dry response while I'm having to pull teeth than I am about you not caring about millions of innocent Jews being murdered.

Supreme's question was a layup. Yours have been more complex than was this bad.

[Simple Fan]

You know what? Props to you for being consistent.

Thanks, I'm not going to lie and say something matters to me just because most of you don't agree.

[#1-norm-fan]

If you want to look at it as me narrowing down I guess you can. I have no problem with you seeing it that way. Yeah stuff that goes on in America is going to be more important to me than other things, if that's narrowing down so be it.

It is though. It's not just me "seeing it that way". It is. By definition. There's a lot of countries. You care about the goings on of one. You've literally narrowed down what you care about from the entire world to one country. Why are you being so defensive about that phrasing?

[Simple Fan]

It is though. It's not just me "seeing it that way". It is. By definition. There's a lot of countries. You care about the goings on of one. You've literally narrowed down what you care about from the entire world to one country. Why are you being so defensive about that phrasing?

Am I being defensive? The one country I care about is the one I live in. How do you not understand that. Why should I care about anther country?

[#1-norm-fan]

This is a weird roadblock to be stuck at. There's a field of all countries to care about. You've... cut... down the field to one? Does that phrasing work better for you? Can you agree to that?

[#1-norm-fan]

Supreme's question was a layup. Yours have been more complex than was this bad.

I feel like "Do you agree that only caring about the one country you live in as opposed to all the countries of the world is narrowing down which parts of the world you care about?" should be a layup. Like... Michael Jordan in a bathtub with one of those toy basketball hoops for 3 year olds level layup.

[#1-norm-fan]

Am I being defensive? The one country I care about is the one I live in. How do you not understand that. Why should I care about anther country?

Fan. Forget about why. I don't care why right now. I understand the one country you care about is the one you live in. Forget all of that.

I'm trying to make you understand something but your refusal to acknowledge the fact that caring about only the one country you live and not all others is an act of narrowing down what you choose to care about is where we're stuck at right now.

I don't need you to tell me what you care about again. I don't need you to try to start a discourse about why you should care about another country. That's all irrelevant to this one thing I'm trying to get out of you so I can move on to the main point I'm trying to explain to you.

You have a world to potentially care about. While others might care about the entire world, you've narrowed it down to your country as far as what you actually care about. Is that a fair assessment?

[Simple Fan]

Fan. Forget about why. I don't care why right now. I understand the one country you care about is the one you live in. Forget all of that.

I'm trying to make you understand something but your refusal to acknowledge the fact that caring about only the one country you live and not all others is an act of narrowing down what you choose to care about is where we're stuck at right now.

I don't need you to tell me what you care about again. I don't need you to try to start a discourse about why you should care about another country. That's all irrelevant to this one thing I'm trying to get out of you so I can move on to the main point I'm trying to explain to you.

You have a world to potentially care about. While others might care about the entire world, you've narrowed it down to your country as far as what you actually care about. Is that a fair assessment?

Yeah that's fair and has been obvious this whole conversation. Not sure what you are hung up on or what you're missing.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Yeah that's fair and has been obvious this whole conversation. Not sure what you are hung up on or what you're missing.

I genuinely believe people have a problem with honesty. You are admitting to something a lot of people believe but don't say.

I have an emotional connection to the Holocaust. As a child learning about it was my first glimpse of what evil looked like. However, there have been terrible atrocities committed throughout history and I don't have an emotional response to them. No normal human being is going to be upset about some murdered people from 700 AD. That shit is ancient history.

I still feel for victims of oppression and senseless violence across the world, but not nearly as much as my neighbors. Proximity breeds empathy.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm hung up on it because you said this early on the page...

I'm not narrowing anything down, I think that's you doing that.

and then took half the page to finally admit that wasn't the case.

But now that you've said it's fair and even obvious that you're narrowing down what you care about...

When I say you could narrow it down further and only care about your region or your state or your county or your city or your street, I'm pointing out that it's trivial that you narrow it down from the world to your country (which you just admitted you're doing) and then you just stop narrowing it down right there.

When I ask you why you choose to narrow it down to that and then stop narrowing it down further and you say "Well those things are part of America", it makes no... sense. It doesn't answer the question. I'm well aware that those things are part of America. If you're going to narrow down what you care about, why not keep going past all of America and saying "I'm from (whatever state you live in) so I only care about what's going on in that state"?

[XL]

Dude you need to let this go. Tonnes of people have views on the world for the most trivial reasons. It’s not hard to understand that the guy cares more about issues at home rather than in the wider world; there are political parties/campaigns built solely on that idea.

I don’t agree with his viewpoint at all, but I can understand it. I can also understand why he can’t explain to you in a satisfactory way the rationale behind his thinking; he’s got a narrow point of view.

[#1-norm-fan]

At this point I'm just trying to get him to understand that it's trivial. And why "but my street, city, state, etc. are part of America" isn't a proper response. I'd take an "Aww, I get it now. Yeah, I guess it's trivial. Whatever." right now. Forget his narrow point of view at this point. Just wanna get out of this "Who's on First" routine.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd also like to ask about whether he cares about shit that happens in Alaska and Hawaii but I'm afraid that would lead to another one.

[rez]

Once you go on vacation abroad - you're off Fan's care list.

quiet foreigner. you don't exist - fan

:shifty:

[rez]

anywho

Vince gonna force the dudes that said they didn't want to go?

[Cool King]

Do you know this for fact or just another news story you chose to believe? That's all I'm saying is I don't know what goes down over there and today's media is not trustworthy enough to take their word.

But yet you're choosing to believe the positive stuff about Saudi Arabia when the media reports it.

[Cool King]

It's kinda like:

Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these bad things.

Simple Fan: I don't believe it. The media is not trustworthy enough.

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Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these good things.

Simple Fan: Cool. What a progressive country.

[Sixx]

It's kinda like:

Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these bad things.

Simple Fan: I don't believe it. The media is not trustworthy enough.

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Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these good things.

Simple Fan: Cool. What a progressive country.

It's different when said media is WWE.

[#1-norm-fan]

But yet you're choosing to believe the positive stuff about Saudi Arabia when the media reports it.

He doesn't listen to positive media reports from the media either. Pretty sure he said the positive news he's believing is from WWE's Saudi propaganda video.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. What Sixx said.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yeah "We can drive now, Saudi Arabia is a great place for us women!"

[Cool King]

He doesn't listen to positive media reports from the media either. Pretty sure he said the positive news he's believing is from WWE's Saudi propaganda video.

Wow, I see.

I must have missed that post.

[Big Vic]

Stop guys Saudi Arabia isn't that bad. At least they don't have a "Commander-in-chief' Praising people who body slam reporters or being a terrible misogynist.

[Sixx]

Stop guys Saudi Arabia isn't that bad. At least they don't have a "Commander-in-chief' Praising people who body slam reporters or being a terrible misogynist.

Congrats, you win "The Absolute Lamest Dig at Bush" award.

Fucking commie.

[Big Vic]

Bush? What are you drunk?

[slik]

what if undertaker and shawn mackels both get injured in saudi rabia and have to retire

[Big Vic]

What if the Prince sees Shawns playgirl issue and he gets beheaded at the PPV.

[slik]

What if Tony Chimel shows up 'outta nowhere' and gives Randy Ortan a RKO!!

[Sixx]

Bush? What are you drunk?

Nah, I meant Trump.

It's the same thing all over basically.

[slik]

what if the game triple h tear a quad

[Big Vic]

Nah, I meant Trump.

It's the same thing all over basically.

I would choose the Saudi regime over Trump any day.

[Sixx]

I would choose the Saudi regime over Trump any day.

This just proves you know nothing about anything and just jumped the Trump Hate bandwagon.

[Big Vic]

I know nothing? Don't you hear all over the news that Trump is encouraging hateful rhetoric? People are sending bombs because of that!!!

[Big Vic]

You don't live here people are fighting in the streets because Trump green lights attacks on the media. Triple A sucks.

[slik]

This is a thread about Crown Jewel/Saudi Arabia please stop trying to be a low-rent version of Swiss.
He is much better at highjacking threads.

[Simple Fan]

I'm hung up on it because you said this early on the page...



and then took half the page to finally admit that wasn't the case.

But now that you've said it's fair and even obvious that you're narrowing down what you care about...

When I say you could narrow it down further and only care about your region or your state or your county or your city or your street, I'm pointing out that it's trivial that you narrow it down from the world to your country (which you just admitted you're doing) and then you just stop narrowing it down right there.

When I ask you why you choose to narrow it down to that and then stop narrowing it down further and you say "Well those things are part of America", it makes no... sense. It doesn't answer the question. I'm well aware that those things are part of America. If you're going to narrow down what you care about, why not keep going past all of America and saying "I'm from (whatever state you live in) so I only care about what's going on in that state"?

Okay I don't identify as an earthling, I identify as an American and my starting point is from America so don't see it as narrowing anything down. God had me born in America for a reason. That's fine if you see it like that and I understand your point but I just don't look at it like that.

[slik]

What does every1 think Hulk Hogan will do at CROWN JEWEL??

[#1-norm-fan]

Do you not identify as an earthling because it's a funny word? What about human? Do you identify as a human?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What does every1 think Hulk Hogan will do at CROWN JEWEL??

Grab a random rich guy in the crowd and give him a big boot and a legdrop. Hulk Hogan fights for the rights of every man and it will all come crashing down and hurt inside for the murderers.

:y:

[Simple Fan]

Do you not identify as an earthling because it's a funny word? What about human? Do you identify as a human?

Yeah we're all human but the biggest thing that sets us apart is where we're born.

[#1-norm-fan]

God had me born in America for a reason.

Well, your ancestors at some point making the decision to move to this specific part of the world and your parents not moving to another country before you were born is the reason you were born in America. But let's not go off on THAT path.

[Simple Fan]

Well, your ancestors at some point making the decision to move to this specific part of the world and your parents not moving to another country before you were born is the reason you were born in America. But let's not go off on THAT path.

Duh, and anybody can come to America as long as they do it legally.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

this thread is amazing.

[Simple Fan]

Also I don't think God made me born here for a reason. Just luck of the draw really.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah we're all human but the biggest thing that sets us apart is where we're born.

Maybe. If you're intent on setting yourself apart and only caring about the group you set yourself apart with.

Many people would say the biggest thing that sets us apart is not where we're born but our race. And instead of caring about everyone they only care about their race. Those people are assholes.

[Simple Fan]

Nah race doesn't set us apart but that goes back to the fake news wanting people to believe that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol fake news. Good god man.

[rez]

Also I don't think God made me born here for a reason. Just luck of the draw really.

Orton RKOd god out of existence when he was born so blatant lie on your part

[Simple Fan]

Damn, you got me I guess.

[rez]

fuck crown jewel it's almost rdr2 time

[Swiss Ultimate]

I LOVE SIMPLE FAN!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

You probably are Simple Fan dummy yeah

[Simple Fan]

He's not Simple Fan.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nah race doesn't set us apart but that goes back to the fake news wanting people to believe that.

So you find it trivial for someone to only care about the people within their race but not for people to only care about the people in their country. I see.

[#1-norm-fan]

God made you that race for a reason.

[#1-norm-fan]

this thread is amazing.

Racism only started existing when fake news became a thing. EXPLAIN.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Racism only started existing when fake news became a thing. EXPLAIN.

it's true. I'm only aware of one racism in history.

[Swiss Ultimate]

So you find it trivial for someone to only care about the people within their race but not for people to only care about the people in their country. I see.

Patriotism > Racial Pride

[Swiss Ultimate]

it's true. I'm only aware of one racism in history.

It a long time ago in a land not so far away. Thank goodness my parents kicked racism in the face and killed it during the 70s.

[Simple Fan]

So you find it trivial for someone to only care about the people within their race but not for people to only care about the people in their country. I see.

Is it trivial though? Where one's from forms what's of importance to them. If someone thinks race is what sets us apart I'd have to disagree with them but I wouldn't call it trivial.

[Swiss Ultimate]

America is the best country on Earth. Even when it sucks, it sucks less than everywhere else.

[Swiss Ultimate]

My favorite thing is when someone tells me their sociology professor told them all cultures are equal. I wonder how many people who think this also have a problem with WWE going to Saudi Arabia. I bet it's a high number.

[Simple Fan]

God made you that race for a reason.

Race is just evolutionary sun exposure in my opinion. Yeah I believe in God and evolution.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Race is just evolutionary sun exposure in my opinion. Yeah I believe in God and evolution.

*SENDS FACEBOOK FRIEND REQUEST*

[Simple Fan]

I don't do Facebook.

[#1-norm-fan]

Patriotism > Racial Pride

We’re not talking about patriotism or racial pride though. You can be proud of your country and still care about people from other countries. You can be proud of your race and still care about people of other races.

[Lock Jaw]

Gutted to know that, as a Canadian, Simple Fan doesn't care about me or my well being..... I thought we were cool.....

I think Simple Fan's character here would make a good rassling heel.... give him the JBL/Kenzo Suzuki "I love America" gear and give him a mic, brother

[Simple Fan]

I don't want to hear about anything bad happening to you Lock Jaw. Canadians are cool, I've met a few. Let's be honest, you're basically Americans though.

Plus weeds legal up there, USA needs to take a hint.

[Lock Jaw]

Let's be honest, you're basically Americans though.

Thems fighting words

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's kinda like:

Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these bad things.

Simple Fan: I don't believe it. The media is not trustworthy enough.

----------

Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these good things.

Simple Fan: Cool. What a progressive country.

This is it. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. He doesn't believe that a fake wrestling company accepting millions of dollars, millions of dollars from someone would spread a false message, but journalists trying to earn a reputation by reflecting the world are likely to be spreading "fake news."

It used to be cool to check a report's sources and be critical of the media. But it's now be degraded to putting your fingers in your ears and hummng hymns while things literally explode in front of your eyes. There's a difference between being critical of your sources and checking to see how valid they are and just writing things off as "fake news" because they question the fucking President.

Maybe. If you're intent on setting yourself apart and only caring about the group you set yourself apart with.

Many people would say the biggest thing that sets us apart is not where we're born but our race. And instead of caring about everyone they only care about their race. Those people are assholes.

:y:

I've never gotten nationalism at all. You don't get a choice of where you're born. You're lucky. You can appreciate the benefits of your country, like the right to security, education and healthcare, but you don't do anything to achieve those. It's not something to thump your chest over and high-five your friends about.

There's also no good reason to ignore the suffering of people who live in places that don't have even parodies of those things, just because they weren't as lucky as you.

Of course you can't worry about all the things in the world all the time. Humans are really good at cognitive dissonance, and that's not even a bad thing, otherwise our heads would explode. But it doesn't mean you can't focus on an issue and say "that's fucking awful." Just like I can look at North Korea and say "that's fucking awful." Why is that even a point being brought up?

Is it trivial though? Where one's from forms what's of importance to them. If someone thinks race is what sets us apart I'd have to disagree with them but I wouldn't call it trivial.

Not true. Environment helps form, but a lot of other factors are going to go into that too. Sometimes people reject where they are from. Some people recognize it as arbitrary. The idea that you have to chain yourself to your point of origin is a decision you've made, possibly head drummed into your head since you were a kid and all that, but that you say it as if being in a geographical spot is the overriding factor in how you conduct yourself as a human being does get the root of the issue a lot quicker than your dancing around #1-wwf-fan's questions.

My favorite thing is when someone tells me their sociology professor told them all cultures are equal. I wonder how many people who think this also have a problem with WWE going to Saudi Arabia. I bet it's a high number.

You're talking about cultural relativism, and you've completely taken it out of context and should consider taking a sociology course yourself (I'm sure you can find free lectures online). Cultural relativism is simply a framework for looking at cultures that doesn't place significance on the western way of living as superior. It stops looking at hunter-gatherer tribes as "primitive" because they don't see their purpose in life to accumulate wealth or own a PlayStation (although they might think PlayStations are great).

It's a useful tool for not placing different cultures on a scale of "bad" to "good" based on inherent bias towards your own culture. It's nowhere near the same thing as criticizing a dictator dealing with US money to abuse human rights and oppress a culture.

There's a difference between watching your drink beer and thinking my scotch is better and smashing you over the head with my glass and waterboarding you with scotch.

[Simple Fan]

Thems fighting words


(North)American

[Swiss Ultimate]

Thems fighting words

Canada is just the California of the North.

[Simple Fan]

This is it. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. He doesn't believe that a fake wrestling company accepting millions of dollars, millions of dollars from someone would spread a false message, but journalists trying to earn a reputation by reflecting the world are likely to be spreading "fake news."

It used to be cool to check a report's sources and be critical of the media. But it's now be degraded to putting your fingers in your ears and hummng hymns while things literally explode in front of your eyes. There's a difference between being critical of your sources and checking to see how valid they are and just writing things off as "fake news" because they question the fucking President.

I don't think you understand what fake news is. It's not just the news groups on the left that question the President. It's the ones on the right as well that support him. There's truth in it but it is spread throughout bias bullshit trying to form your opinion. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.

[Triple A]

Oh no @ DTTS making a lot of posts in this thread

[#1-norm-fan]

. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.

You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think you understand what fake news is. It's not just the news groups on the left that question the President. It's the ones on the right as well that support him. There's truth in it but it is spread throughout bias bullshit trying to form your opinion. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.

Hahaha, no. I don't think you understand what fakes news is.

Journalism doesn't need to be unbiased, and it never is. That doesn't mean it's fake. You can get the news from that and leave the political opinion at the door. It's critical reading.

"5 dead in explosion" is not fake news. "Women sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia" is not fake news. They don't...make shit up. They can get duped and have political biases, but that doesn't change core facts of many stories. "Trump sells weapons to horrific regime" is not fake news just because it has a tinge of sting to it. What *is* fake is saying that the country is getting better when it is not.

You're actually being worked more by this fake news/pro-WWE stuff than you would be if you were just a "mark." Hell, "fake news" is a Trump buzzword he created so people would disregard any negative story that comes out about him. You fell for it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?

:lol:

[Simple Fan]

You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?

I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like the idea of a bunch of people being confused by the media getting together and just saying "it's all bullshit!" and then getting their news from WWE and Leonard at the bar. He seems like a smart guy. He thinks they put logos in the foam of his beer, but he's been right before.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.

In the video, Michael Cole said "Saudi Arabia is a progressive nation." I don't know if it was that verbatim. But that was the message. "They are progressive." They are not. They are lies. You fell for them. That is why this is so disgusting. They help influence the opinion of the people who can't pick up a newspaper without getting confused so they can keep lying to people by saying they are taking steps when they still cut off women's heads, lock them up for protesting and hunt down journalists who criticize them for it. I feel like I've said this 800 times in this thread.

Because of dummies, yeah, dummies, yeah it's an awful thing WWE are going to go and do this thing, because it's not just disgusting on the face; but when it comes to certain types of people it actually works. And make no mistake about it, Fan, they could have gotten him in the United States too. Turkey is not a fan of this regime. They got him in a Saudi embassy. There are cars and saws in the US too.

[Sepholio]

Leonard at the bar creates the dankest memes too.

[Simple Fan]

In the video, Michael Cole said "Saudi Arabia is a progressive nation." I don't know if it was that verbatim. But that was the message. "They are progressive." They are not. They are lies. You fell for them. That is why this is so disgusting. They help influence the opinion of the people who can't pick up a newspaper without getting confused so they can keep lying to people by saying they are taking steps when they still cut off women's heads, lock them up for protesting and hunt down journalists who criticize them for it. I feel like I've said this 800 times in this thread.

Because of dummies, yeah, dummies, yeah it's an awful thing WWE are going to go and do this thing, because it's not just disgusting on the face; but when it comes to certain types of people it actually works. And make no mistake about it, Fan, they could have gotten him in the United States too. Turkey is not a fan of this regime. They got him in a Saudi embassy. There are cars and saws in the US too.

You've dug way deeper into it than I have. As #1_wwf_fan would say its trivial to me. I haven't denied things are bad in the country but I don't deny they're making progress either. I just wasnt going to call their prince a murder. I think if this country wants to take steps to being more progressive the WWE helps that cause.

[#1-norm-fan]

I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.

Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.

[Swiss Ultimate]

:lol:

Germany cooks better than meat than you.

This is a nonsensical sentence.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.

It's all fake news. DON'T YOU GET THAT?

[Simple Fan]

Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.

Have they not allowed women to apply for drivers license? WWE just showed that from what I remember.

[Sepholio]

Well they sure did there Simple Fan. They also will still execute a woman for driving. So basically they now let women apply for a license to get themselves executed. How progressive!

[Mr. Nerfect]

You've dug way deeper into it than I have. As #1_wwf_fan would say its trivial to me. I haven't denied things are bad in the country but I don't deny they're making progress either. I just wasnt going to call their prince a murder. I think if this country wants to take steps to being more progressive the WWE helps that cause.

He fucking murdered somebody. When you murder somebody, you are a murderer.

How does WWE help the cause? How?

[Mr. Nerfect]

How do the Spice Girls playing in China help put food into the mouths of people from Tibet? Especially when they talk about how good things are in China?

Newsflash: If things are really excellent, you don't need to buy time to talk about about how excellent they are.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry, fake newsflash*

[Mr. Nerfect]

"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan has come to your defense, Fan. He has also released a statement saying that he thinks WWE shouldn't pull out. It's too big an opportunity to miss, terrible stuff happens all over the world so why bother caring, and he also didn't know that it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia, because he said "a horrible incident that happened over there."

What is it with people defending this that have no clue what actually happened?

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems WWE wussed out on talking about their Saudi deal with their investors today outside of a brief statement made in their fiscal report.

Didn't bother to mention if it will be one of the main topics for their next meeting unlike the last time few times.

For some reference, the last time investors asked about details of the multi-year deal, WWE shot them down saying they couldn't due to confidentially clauses. Being rumored the contract doesn't include an opt-out clause which would be ridiculous if that is actually true.

[Simple Fan]

He fucking murdered somebody. When you murder somebody, you are a murderer.

How does WWE help the cause? How?

The WWE had women perform in the UAE, obviously Saudi Arabia isn't to that point yet but they could get there. They allow women to attend the shows which from the bit I understand they don't always get to go to public events. Yeah they're going to use it as propaganda but that doesn't mean they're not taking those steps, even if they take two steps back later.

[Simple Fan]

"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan has come to your defense, Fan. He has also released a statement saying that he thinks WWE shouldn't pull out. It's too big an opportunity to miss, terrible stuff happens all over the world so why bother caring, and he also didn't know that it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia, because he said "a horrible incident that happened over there."

What is it with people defending this that have no clue what actually happened?

Hacksaw is a true American.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

So is it making steps if they just regress back to where they started if not further back? How is that progressive?

[Simple Fan]

So is it making steps if they just regress back to where they started if not further back? How is that progressive?

It's slow progress, probably why they called it Vision 2030.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

How is giving people the right to do something, only to kill then when they attempt to exercise that right, progressive in any way though? That doesn't make sense.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I made a typo. Whoa! Great point, King! You're so smrt. When someone makes a mistake, doesn't that just make you look so good? What an opportunity to shine!

I fart in your general direction, and I have been eating lots of delicious German meat and drinking refreshing German beer, so it will not be pleasant for you.

*smart

Also, y u mad?

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't want to hear about anything bad happening to you Lock Jaw. Canadians are cool, I've met a few. Let's be honest, you're basically Americans though.

Plus weeds legal up there, USA needs to take a hint.

Lol I will fight you for calling me an American

[Simple Fan]

Lock Jaw said the same thing.

[Simple Fan]

How is giving people the right to do something, only to kill then when they attempt to exercise that right, progressive in any way though? That doesn't make sense.

So they're killing every woman that attempts to drive? I know something happened with some activists who worked towards getting the ban lifted but that's different than killing women who attempt to drive. I doesn't make sense because its not true.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I may have been mistaken as I thought I heard about women driving getting pulled over but can't find anything on it yet. You are correct that they've detained human rights activists who, among other things, were fighting for the ban on woman drivers to be lifted. Those activists are facing being beheaded/executed, which is not progress.

I get where you're coming from as far as whether or not you're concerned with what happens outside your personal bubble. That's fine. But you shouldn't argue an oppressive regime is making any progress when they're killing people after luring them into a trap or scheduling executions for people who fighting for human rights just because women can drive.

[Simple Fan]

I'm sure the women get pulled over, they're still woman drivers after all.

[xrodmuc316]

Nah, I meant Trump.

It's the same thing all over basically.

If you really believe that then you have as little sense as Trump himself.

[rez]

If you really believe that then you have as little sense as Trump himself.

The one thing InfoWars had right that I will concede to is their/his slogan, "There's a war on for your mind"

Fuck Alex Jones, though.

[Sixx]

If you really believe that then you have as little sense as Trump himself.

How is this "It's cool to be hating and laughing at the President" thing not the same in both cases?

I assume you thought I meant THEY are the same?

[Cool King]

They allow women to attend the shows which from the bit I understand they don't always get to go to public events.

Women have always been allowed to go to the events but they always have to be accompanied by a man.

A woman can never go one her own or with other women.

I could be wrong with this part but I think that it's not just with events but leaving the house in general.

I don't think women can leave the house without a man accompanying her. Again though, I could be wrong with that.

[Cool King]

I may have been mistaken as I thought I heard about women driving getting pulled over but can't find anything on it yet. You are correct that they've detained human rights activists who, among other things, were fighting for the ban on woman drivers to be lifted. Those activists are facing being beheaded/executed, which is not progress.

I get where you're coming from as far as whether or not you're concerned with what happens outside your personal bubble. That's fine. But you shouldn't argue an oppressive regime is making any progress when they're killing people after luring them into a trap or scheduling executions for people who fighting for human rights just because women can drive.

I'm sure the women get pulled over, they're still woman drivers after all.

Saudi Arabia: Women! You can all drive now!

Saudi Women: Great! Our nation is progressing!

*Drives car and gets pulled over*

Saudi Arabia: How dare you try to drive!

*Beheads woman*

Simple Fan: Well, at least they got to drive.

https://i.postimg.cc/4y0VTqGz/jc.png

[Swiss Ultimate]

Driving is over-rated.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Lol I will fight you for calling me an American

North Californian

[Evil Vito]

I'm sure the women get pulled over, they're still woman drivers after all.

Fuck’s sake.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Saudi Arabia: Women! You can all drive now!

Saudi Women: Great! Our nation is progressing!

*Drives car and gets pulled over*

Saudi Arabia: How dare you try to drive!

*Beheads woman*

Simple Fan: Well, at least they got to drive.

https://i.postimg.cc/4y0VTqGz/jc.png

God damn it, I popped for that Cena pic

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'm sure the women get pulled over, they're still woman drivers after all.

Wait, did the Saudi Police murder a woman for driving a car now? Is this something that happened?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I could've sworn I saw something that insinuated as much but didn't find anything when I actually bothered to search. Could've been a click bait article, but I can't recall.

[Emperor Smeat]

Think that might have been more for being activists in general although don't think any were executed yet. Like shortly before the driving ban was going to be lifted, the Saudis did a crackdown on female activists and drivers.

WWE's propaganda videos for the Saudis at the Greatest Rumble did lead to one women shown driving in the video getting arrested sometime after the event.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Maybe that's what I saw and my brain remembers differently. Nonetheless, the whole idea of them making any semblance of progress is comical. They are not. If simple fan doesn't care, that's his right. Citing a propaganda video by the E isn't a good look tho.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Pretending that Saudi Arabia isn't a shit country is an American tradition:

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

It is unquestionably a shit country

[Swiss Ultimate]

It is unquestionably a shit country

Noid would disagree.

Cultural relativism is simply a framework for looking at cultures that doesn't place significance on the western way of living as superior. It stops looking at hunter-gatherer tribes as "primitive" because they don't see their purpose in life to accumulate wealth or own a PlayStation (although they might think PlayStations are great).

It's a useful tool for not placing different cultures on a scale of "bad" to "good" based on inherent bias towards your own culture. It's nowhere near the same thing as criticizing a dictator dealing with US money to abuse human rights and oppress a culture.

Hunter-gatherer tribes are primitive. Fact.
Saudi Arabia is bad. Fact.

Noid: Their dictator is just dealing with American money to abuse human rights...

LOL

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'll admit that I'm essentially a simpleton when it comes to politics and world news. I'm not ignorant, however. A country as corrupt and oppressive as Saudi Arabia can I'm no way be anything other than a shit place to live.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'll admit that I'm essentially a simpleton when it comes to politics and world news. I'm not ignorant, however. A country as corrupt and oppressive as Saudi Arabia can I'm no way be anything other than a shit place to live.

Most normal people realize that. It's merely people who can't think for themselves that buy into ideas such as cultural relativism. America is objectively better than Saudi Arabia.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It is subjectively better. Is there anyone who thinks otherwise?

[xrodmuc316]

How is this "It's cool to be hating and laughing at the President" thing not the same in both cases?

I assume you thought I meant THEY are the same?

Yes that is how I read it. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

That said, I agree with your post 100% now that I realize what you meant.

Also, George W. is about 1000 times better than The Donald!

[Sixx]

Yes that is how I read it. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

That said, I agree with your post 100% now that I realize what you meant.

Also, George W. is about 1000 times better than The Donald!

Yeah, we had the same thing here with Lech Kaczyński. Everyone'd hate him, laugh at him, it was just tiresome. Sure, he was a halfwit, but I was just tired of people bringing him up on every occasion.

And then he died in a plane crash.

[Sepholio]

A Saudi orchestrated plane crash I bet!

[Mr. Nerfect]

People like DTTS have to skewer arguments and set up straw-men because they don't have any substance. Saudi Arabia is a shit place and the regime there is fucked. I've said nothing to the contrary in this thread. Fuck him and I hope he gets shunned for the absolute filth coming out of his mouth.

[Swiss Ultimate]

People like DTTS have to skewer arguments and set up straw-men because they don't have any substance. Saudi Arabia is a shit place and the regime there is fucked. I've said nothing to the contrary in this thread. Fuck him and I hope he gets shunned for the absolute filth coming out of his mouth.

I never have to set up straw men because idiots like you are always willing to build arguments from sawdust.

You think you're intelligent and educated, but in reality you're just checking boxes and aligning your vocabulary with the approved word bank. You're a sheep.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Says the guy who thinks that the only reason people care about the atrocities in Saudi Arabia is because of Trump. This shit has been going on for a lot longer than Trump's been President. It's such a flimsy point.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Says the guy who thinks that the only reason people care about the atrocities in Saudi Arabia is because of Trump. This shit has been going on for a lot longer than Trump's been President. It's such a flimsy point.

That's the fucking point, moron.

It's been going on "for a lot longer than Trump's been President" and you haven't given a shit.

Inconsistent and hypocritical.

[Emperor Smeat]

:rant: Another thread you decided to hijack or try to turn the discussion to something completely else political wise because of your warped views on things.

Forget it, think you time on TPWW is at its end since I already know things are going to become even more abysmal here, especially in Casual, in a couple of weeks mainly because of your history.

[Swiss Ultimate]

:rant: Another thread you decided to hijack or try to turn the discussion to something completely else political wise because of your warped views on things.

Forget it, think you time on TPWW is at its end since I already know things are going to become even more abysmal here, especially in Casual, in a couple of weeks mainly because of your history.

Hey meatball, you're a good poster, but fuck off.

You're not THAT good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's the fucking point, moron.

It's been going on "for a lot longer than Trump's been President" and you haven't given a shit.

Inconsistent and hypocritical.

Bullshit. Don't put your bullshit perspectives into my mouth. The first woman I ever dated moved here from Saudi Arabia. Fuck you for daring to project your twisted little biases onto other people. Go after the things that are actually being said.

I haven't ever had the need to talk about Saudi Arabia in the context of wrestling. Believe it or not, that's what I come here for. If I went into discussion or casual more maybe it would pop up? But it makes no sense to project not caring about something onto someone just because you ignorant ass hasn't been around for the conversations.

Kindly fuck you.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Bullshit. Don't put your bullshit perspectives into my mouth. The first woman I ever dated moved here from Saudi Arabia. Fuck you for daring to project your twisted little biases onto other people. Go after the things that are actually being said.

I haven't ever had the need to talk about Saudi Arabia in the context of wrestling. Believe it or not, that's what I come here for. If I went into discussion or casual more maybe it would pop up? But it makes no sense to project not caring about something onto someone just because you ignorant ass hasn't been around for the conversations.

Kindly fuck you.

lol you just admitted you have the same bias that Saudi Arabia is a shit country.

You have lost your way, you little white hetero cisgender male. Now everyone knows you're alt-right.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Also you mentioned it in April and didn't seem to give a shit one way or another. :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol you just admitted you have the same bias that Saudi Arabia is a shit country.

You have lost your way, you little white hetero cisgender male. Now everyone knows you're alt-right.

Go back and read my post. I say nothing of the sort. I think the regime in Saudi Arabia is shit, and I've always said that. That's not the same as saying all the people are shit or whatever it is you think. But that's besides the point anyway, because I didn't even say that. You're making stuff up.

And again you have to make up someone's opinions for them instead of dealing with whatever it is they actually do or say. I've never been pro this deal. I always thought it was an extremely sketchy arrangement given the political climate surrounding the country. "Didn't seem to give a shit one way or another" -- dude, there's no possible way to have that insight into someone's perspective. Again, you're making stuff up.

[Emperor Smeat]

Shutting down the thread for the time being since it got derailed.

Edit: Finished the cleaning. Sorry for the delay.

[Sixx]

A Saudi orchestrated plane crash I bet!

Russian orchestrated plane crash!

[Swiss Ultimate]

Go back and read my post. I say nothing of the sort. I think the regime in Saudi Arabia is shit, and I've always said that. That's not the same as saying all the people are shit or whatever it is you think. But that's besides the point anyway, because I didn't even say that. You're making stuff up.

And again you have to make up someone's opinions for them instead of dealing with whatever it is they actually do or say. I've never been pro this deal. I always thought it was an extremely sketchy arrangement given the political climate surrounding the country. "Didn't seem to give a shit one way or another" -- dude, there's no possible way to have that insight into someone's perspective. Again, you're making stuff up.

I'd expect nothing less from a white supremacist.

Saudi Arabia is a shit place and the regime there is fucked.

You accuse me of what you do in this thread constantly. You and Smelly Meatball are so far up your asses you actually think you know what I think about shit, but in reality you're both so stupid and ignorant that you barely understand your own assertions.

Major cognitive dissonance on your side of the house over this. You guys are making it pretty clear that you can't even keep track of your own arguments, so maybe stop trying to re-write mine.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Let's go Alicia!

This is the thread where we laugh at people who are pretending to care about Saudi Arabian human rights violations.

[Swiss Ultimate]

SLIK! IT'S A FREE COUNTRY AND I SUPPORT YOU DOING YOUR THANG!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd expect nothing less from a white supremacist.



You accuse me of what you do in this thread constantly. You and Smelly Meatball are so far up your asses you actually think you know what I think about shit, but in reality you're both so stupid and ignorant that you barely understand your own assertions.

Major cognitive dissonance on your side of the house over this. You guys are making it pretty clear that you can't even keep track of your own arguments, so maybe stop trying to re-write mine.

Lol, you're such a mess. You keep telling me what I think, hombre. I am describing the things you actually say.

ie: Your point about sociology professors claiming that all cultures are equal. I explained to you what that concept is called and how it is not applied like you said it was

VERSUS

You telling us that we only care because of Trump.

I said "Saudi Arabia is a shit place and the regime is fucked." It is. I'm not saying Saudi Arabians are shit people, or that their culture is bad. I'm talking about the regime and the oppressive effects it has on the people there. Now go ahead and try and twist that into something false you can actually respond to. Or make up that we don't care because of whatever fraction of our discourse you see on a wrestling forum like it represents the totality of our lives.

It's not only logically fallacious reasoning, but it's downright insulting to the intelligence of people on these boards. I'll give you one shot to make an actually intelligent point, and I'll ever set you up with some questions:

1. What evidence do you have that I, and let's keep this to me specifically, only care about this because of Trump?

2. Can you explain why you think the idea of cultural relativism and criticizing an oppressive regime are incongruent ideas?

3. Since we apparently don't know shit about what you think, would you clarify what you mean by "we have the same bias." What exactly is your bias? Because I don't think we mean the same thing.

[Franco Vazquez]

US keeps on killing people and no one bats an eye but one journalist is killed by SA and everyone loses their minds. Many people are saying "Oh it was done on a foreign soil" bla bla. Now let me show you what an American did in my country in 2011 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident

This guy alone killed 3 people and then got scot-free due to diplomatic immunity. Now where was the humanity when it happened? I know a lot of American diplomats do this in developing countries and then use diplomatic immunity. Isn't it abuse of power?

[Sepholio]

Do you even read your own sources? He did not get diplomatic immunity, was thrown in jail pending trial, and was only released when the families of the victims were paid several million dollars in blood money which is legal under Sharia Law.

[Big Vic]

Stop guys Saudi Arabia isn't that bad. At least they don't have a "Commander-in-chief' Praising people who body slam reporters or being a terrible misogynist.

This post was obviously a joke, come on.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Lol, you're such a mess. You keep telling me what I think, hombre. I am describing the things you actually say.

ie: Your point about sociology professors claiming that all cultures are equal. I explained to you what that concept is called and how it is not applied like you said it was

VERSUS

You telling us that we only care because of Trump.

I said "Saudi Arabia is a shit place and the regime is fucked." It is. I'm not saying Saudi Arabians are shit people, or that their culture is bad. I'm talking about the regime and the oppressive effects it has on the people there. Now go ahead and try and twist that into something false you can actually respond to. Or make up that we don't care because of whatever fraction of our discourse you see on a wrestling forum like it represents the totality of our lives.

It's not only logically fallacious reasoning, but it's downright insulting to the intelligence of people on these boards. I'll give you one shot to make an actually intelligent point, and I'll ever set you up with some questions:

1. What evidence do you have that I, and let's keep this to me specifically, only care about this because of Trump?

2. Can you explain why you think the idea of cultural relativism and criticizing an oppressive regime are incongruent ideas?

3. Since we apparently don't know shit about what you think, would you clarify what you mean by "we have the same bias." What exactly is your bias? Because I don't think we mean the same thing.

How much white privilege are you going to use in one post, Noid?

You think because you once sexually assaulted a woman of Saudi Arabian descent, that you can get away with calling the country shit? Obviously you do, and obviously you're contributing to a culture of white supremacy. Your casual attack on the Saudi government is superbly hypocritical considering you live in America where minorities are routinely murdered by cops and Nazis.

The alt-right is not all right, Noid. You have a lot to answer for.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid is Australian I believe

[Swiss Ultimate]

Even WORSE

[Swiss Ultimate]

Everyone in Australia is a white supremacist. Ever see Romper Stomper with Russell Crowe? That's basically Noid, only not as attractive.

[slik]

I wonder if Drew Mc will be added to Braun/Brock

Seems like he isn't doing anything else

[Mr. Nerfect]

How much white privilege are you going to use in one post, Noid?

You think because you once sexually assaulted a woman of Saudi Arabian descent, that you can get away with calling the country shit? Obviously you do, and obviously you're contributing to a culture of white supremacy. Your casual attack on the Saudi government is superbly hypocritical considering you live in America where minorities are routinely murdered by cops and Nazis.

The alt-right is not all right, Noid. You have a lot to answer for.

How wrong can you be in one post?

1. Obviously no sexual assault. I'm not Guru Dave.

2. I never said she was of Saudi Arabian descent. She moved here from Saudi Arabia. She was of British descent. Again, your reading and comprehension skills expose your inability to truly be the Pit Barrel King.

3. No, I think because I read the news and developed informed opinions about tyrannical regimes I can confidently call a lot of the conditions in the country shit. I don't do it out of some notion that western life is automatically better. I've been to some lovely places all over that I'd happy call home -- they just aren't run by despots.

4. Your banal point about white supremacy is obviously a troll, but it's got no meat. Just like your BBQs. It's like you're calling a person against homophobia a gay-basher. Like, what part of the internet told you that would be effective? Have you been the victim of an ironic double-troll, where people tell you that really bothers people, but ultimately you just look like a right ass?

5. I'm not American.

6. Why is it hypocritical to be critical of both?

7. What evidence do you have that I am not hypocritical of both?

I realize I am feeding the troll by simply engaging with you, but it's quite amazing, because you are literally wrong about everything when you open your mouth. Like, not one correct thing comes out of you. It's actually marvelous. I kind of want you to keep going so that I can see if you can get it down to being flummoxed enough that every word that comes out of your mouth is incorrectly used.

[Swiss Ultimate]

White Supremacist is not a good look, Noid.

[Sixx]

US keeps on killing people and no one bats an eye but one journalist is killed by SA and everyone loses their minds. Many people are saying "Oh it was done on a foreign soil" bla bla. Now let me show you what an American did in my country in 2011 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident

This guy alone killed 3 people and then got scot-free due to diplomatic immunity. Now where was the humanity when it happened? I know a lot of American diplomats do this in developing countries and then use diplomatic immunity. Isn't it abuse of power?

What is this post?

[Swiss Ultimate]

What is this post?

Social justice.

[Sixx]

I mean, why is this guy comparing some random dude killing some other dudes abroad to a goverment killing their own citizen?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Because he majored in Liberal Arts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

White Supremacist is not a good look, Noid.

Ooh! You literally only have the one move! This is great. :lol:

I mean, why is this guy comparing some random dude killing some other dudes abroad to a goverment killing their own citizen?

Because people thinks it makes them appear comprehensive and lofty to go "but did you think of this?" and not realize how little it has to do with the actual situation and people's perspectives. It's literally what Pit Barrel King did earlier when he said that the lefties only care about this because Trump is President. He thinks it's a smart point that makes him appear above it all, but it's not only inaccurate; it's not even in the right ballpark. They call people sheep because they think it makes them different and interesting. It's a nice, if deluded, narrative to maintain for yourself, if you are dumb enough to buy into it as truth.

But he also admitted to studying the liberal arts at college, and he called it "retarded," so I guess that's pretty much him admitting his educational level of attainment is "retarded."

[Swiss Ultimate]

Ooh! You literally only have the one move! This is great. :lol:



Because people thinks it makes them appear comprehensive and lofty to go "but did you think of this?" and not realize how little it has to do with the actual situation and people's perspectives. It's literally what Pit Barrel King did earlier when he said that the lefties only care about this because Trump is President. He thinks it's a smart point that makes him appear above it all, but it's not only inaccurate; it's not even in the right ballpark. They call people sheep because they think it makes them different and interesting. It's a nice, if deluded, narrative to maintain for yourself, if you are dumb enough to buy into it as truth.

But he also admitted to studying the liberal arts at college, and he called it "retarded," so I guess that's pretty much him admitting his educational level of attainment is "retarded."

You wrote that and thought to yourself, "This is really good". The Alt-Right has the lowest standards I've ever seen.

#WhiteHeteroCisGenderMaleSyndrome

[Emperor Smeat]

Thread's closed for good since someone(s) didn't listen the last time about not derailing it into another pissing contest and personal attacks.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Fuck off Meatball.

Hey Noid, I found your essence in meme form.

https://i.imgur.com/T8i2abL.png

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Emperor Smeat]

Fuck it, I'm done with this place if this is how its going to become from now on.

Also fuck you to whoever unlocked this thread again.

[Savio]

:lol:

[Savio]

Smeat has snapped! Time to see his badass submission skills.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fuck it, I'm done with this place if this is how its going to become from now on.

Also fuck you to whoever unlocked this thread again.

I'm sad to hear this, but yeah, the scungery around this place is pretty fucking exhausting. I've needed a few breaks. I hope it's not the end of you here. :y:

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'm sad to hear this, but yeah, the scungery around this place is pretty fucking exhausting. I've needed a few breaks. I hope it's not the end of you here. :y:

I can't believe you drove him away with your Alt-Right bullshit. Fucking racist.

[Destor]

Fuck it, I'm done with this place if this is how its going to become from now on.

Also fuck you to whoever unlocked this thread again.

It wasnt me but i would have if i saw you deciding what we were allowed to discuss

[Destor]

Fuck it, I'm done with this place if this is how its going to become from now on.

Also fuck you to whoever unlocked this thread again.
Bye Felicia

[Swiss Ultimate]

By the way, the WWE should definitely have cancelled the event. Saudi Arabia is a terrible country.

We should probably just send Batista in to wipe them out old-school Konami Code style.

[Destor]

I say take all the money they throw at you

Besides best way to assimilate people is via media. Things like this will bring cultural change faster than any other method... well other than mass killings

[Fignuts]

Smeat,I have always been one of your biggest fans, but when have we ever locked a thread for going off topic?

[Destor]

Or deleted posts because they were "toxic"

The free market of ideas is a wasteland of feast or famine and having the big button shouldnt be the arbiter of who eats at the table of intellectual dispute

[Savio]

Or deleted posts because they were "toxic"

The free market of ideas is a wasteland of feast or famine and having the big button shouldnt be the arbiter of who eats at the table of intellectual dispute

Deleting posts is NO GOOD.

[Destor]

He deleted half a page worth in this thread.

[Savio]

Undelete them, I would like to see the toxicity of our city

[Destor]

I did actually but he had triple a delete them so i cant now.

[Swiss Ultimate]

He said some pretty hurtful stuff and then deleted it afterward.

I will still leave if he asks me to though. Free will.

[Savio]

But what about the midterms?

[Swiss Ultimate]

But what about the midterms?

I still don't understand what Meatball was talking about with that weird comment. He deleted it and my quote reply.

Like, apparently I have a history of doing stuff after midterm elections? That was baffling.

I think it's interesting that people who don't know anything about my politics imagine them to be "warped" and "controversial". I have very few controversial political positions and am pretty consistently on the "right side" of most issues thanks to my stellar moral code.

Gays? Love 'em.
Trans? Wanna help 'em.
Drag Queens? Love 'em.
War? Bad.
Rape? Kill the rapist!
Drugs? Legalize 'em.
Racism? Dumb and evil.
Sexism? Dumb and evil.

You'd really have to try really hard to stretch any of my political views to be too far outside the mainstream or morally questionable. I'm a fuckin' paragon of virtue I tell you.

[GD]

How wrong can you be in one post?

1. Obviously no sexual assault. I'm not Guru Dave.


Excuse me, what the fuck?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Smeat,I have always been one of your biggest fans, but when have we ever locked a thread for going off topic?

Pretty much this.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Excuse me, what the fuck?

Noid thinks you are creepy.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Noid thinks you are creepy.

Noid is right about something at least.

[Savio]

Not surprised Noid is attacking a POC.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Not surprised Noid is attacking a POC.

His vile views have no place in Wrestling Forum.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Excuse me, what the fuck?

I will publicly apologize for that. It was a jab, but it was in poor taste.

[Savio]

Accusing someone of sexual assault is a jab? Don't want to see Noids Haymaker.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eh, the free speech thing is a muddled mess sometimes. I don't mind arguing back and forth with people off-topic, but there being rules on a forum is something I can understand. If a mod chooses to delete my posts or whatever, so be it. Some discussions we are done with as people -- we have the empirical evidence and some people ignoring it don't really deserve the honor of genuine discussion.

I get why Smeat is upset by this. It's fucking gross and it's a waste of time talking about why. But I don't mind letting Swiss' bullshit speak for itself either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Accusing someone of sexual assault is a jab? Don't want to see Noids Haymaker.

No, you probably don't.

[Destor]

All brown people are rapists.

[Destor]

Too soon?

[GD]

Noid thinks you are creepy.

Jesus fucking Christ, I don't want to put up with this bullshit. We had a private exchange and thought we were past this crap. Just because I talk about women, doesn't mean I am not sensitive. If I find something heartwarming, I will go out of my fucking way to say that it is adorable. I am not ashamed of being who I am. Stop with this FFS


Noid is right about something at least.

Fuck off, Swiss.

[Destor]

Eh, the free speech thing is a muddled mess sometimes. I don't mind arguing back and forth with people off-topic, but there being rules on a forum is something I can understand. If a mod chooses to delete my posts or whatever, so be it. Some discussions we are done with as people -- we have the empirical evidence and some people ignoring it don't really deserve the honor of genuine discussion.

I get why Smeat is upset by this. It's fucking gross and it's a waste of time talking about why. But I don't mind letting Swiss' bullshit speak for itself either.

there arent tho

[Destor]

Tpww has always demanded thick skin. Day one

[Mr. Nerfect]

there arent tho

Well, that's something for you mods to sort out between each other and discuss with Triple A.

[Savio]

I don't know why people would say that about Guru. Because he flirted with Noid or something? It was a joke from what I saw.

[Destor]

Thing about rules is they have to be posted by the definition of the term. This place has no rules, its not a matternof debate. Tpww is lawless.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

i feel like a bunch of grown men should be able to argue and take a conversation wherever they want.

[Savio]

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are pornographic, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.I don't think anyone threatened anyone

[Destor]

i feel like a bunch of grown men should be able to argue and take a conversation wherever they want.

And if they find the conversation displeasing just leave it. I do it all the time. If i find my self getting worked up irl i just take a few days off from it and see if i still care later.

Its not difficult. The ego of demanding that you be right and abuse of requiring himself to have the last word is disgusting.