The WWE Future Endeavors Thread

[Bad News Gertner]

Per WWE.com

Samoa Joe
Billie Kay
Mojo Rawley
Bo Dallas
Mickie James
Chelsea Green
Peyton Royce
Tucker
Kalisto
Wesley Blake

[Evil Vito]

lol I saw the news, came here to make a thread but checked Gertner's profile first because I assumed he was already on it and saw he was making a thread

[Mike the Metal Ed]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/d5a946bab98c3aef01624cbe51db4f2ceb64df3b24eddd472d29d71666d78014_1.jpg

[Evil Vito]

Billie Kay was genuinely hilarious in the clips I've seen her in since they broke up the IIconics for some dumb reason

Kalisto was criminally underused

Chelsea Green ran into bad luck getting hurt on her main roster debut, but she may have asked for her release as she's pretty openly tweeted about how she wasn't getting booked despite recovering

[Bad News Gertner]

I really thought Kalisto was gonna be huge. A Luchador who does cool moves and speaks English.

[slik]

Of that bunch Kalisto is the one I'd imagine companies will compete for. He's good at what he does.

I'm surprised at Billie Kay since I gathered she was featured prominently on SD and was fairly over. She's not a particularly good wrestler (at all) but she seemed to have a solid gimmick.

[Evil Vito]

OH FUCK Samoa Joe is gone

[Evil Vito]

oh and Bo Dallas

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has come to terms on the release of Samoa Joe, Chelsea Green, Tucker, Kalisto, Bo Dallas and Wesley Blake.<br><br>We wish them all the best in all of their future endeavors. <a href="https://t.co/657qwu8wGc">https://t.co/657qwu8wGc</a> <a href="https://t.co/gSSxc2JHFf">pic.twitter.com/gSSxc2JHFf</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1382763579913429002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

I'd wager that Joe asked for his release if he was certain WWE wouldn't clear him.

[Bad News Gertner]

Petyon Royce released

[Evil Vito]

Sean Ross Sapp is saying that Johnny Ace is making these calls to talents, since he’s head of Talent Relations again, and is giving them the excuse of “budget cuts” as to why they’re being let go.

Record profits. Just shelled out millions to pay Bad Bunny and Logan Paul probably. But yeah budget cuts.

[Bad News Gertner]

He could easily say "Creative has nothing for you" and be completely justified.

[Volare]

Petyon Royce released

She'll be with Spears now.

[Evil Vito]

He could easily say "Creative has nothing for you" and be completely justified.

At least that would be honest and transparent.

[Jordan]

Dayyyyyum. Joe gotta go to AEW.

[owenbrown]

Fuck you WWE

[ClockShot]

After Wrestlemania, taking a look at the roster.

Nah. This isn't Black Thursday. Vince called the maids in. It's the annual spring cleaning of the roster.

I'll chime in further when I get off work.

[Evil Vito]

I'd be all for the IIconics in AEW. Don't need to give them a big push or anything as there are plenty of far superior in-ring women's workers there but other than Britt Baker the division is sorely lacking personality.

[slik]

Sean Ross Sapp is saying that Johnny Ace is making these calls to talents, since he’s head of Talent Relations again, and is giving them the excuse of “budget cuts” as to why they’re being let go.

Record profits. Just shelled out millions to pay Bad Bunny and Logan Paul probably. But yeah budget cuts.

Record profits strikes again!

[Emperor Smeat]

Out of that list, the only real notable loss is Samoa Joe since at least on commentary he was better and more enjoyable to listen than almost all of WWE's other commentators.

Chelsea Green was the biggest dud mostly because she barely did anything notable during her time in the company even if some of it was due to injury issues. She didn't even get a real big push in NXT which shows not even Triple & co. thought that highly of her.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE really needs better timing with their releases and pay freeze announcements since if Johnny Ace is claiming its due to "budget" reasons, then maybe don't release a company report a couple days prior revealing that you shelled out millions to upper management for their yearly compensation.

[Evil Vito]

Velveteen Dream is still employed as of right now.

[xrodmuc316]

Per WWE.com

Samoa Joe
Billie Kay
Bo Dallas
Mickie James
Chelsea Green
Peyton Royce
Tucker
Kalisto
Wesley Blake

Looks like another $10,000,000 about to be added to AEW's bloated payroll :rofl:

[Emperor Smeat]

Velveteen Dream is still employed as of right now.

Don't forget Jordan Devlin as well since the allegations against him was just as bad as the allegations against Dream.

[Volare]

Looks like another $10,000,000 about to be added to AEW's bloated payroll :rofl:

Shit, only notable that would actually work is Joe, Green, and Royce.

[IC Champion]

I can’t believe they cut Soma Joe.

[Loose Cannon]

honestly, they weren't doing anything with these people anyway, so probably for the best. I didn't even know that Dallas was still employed.

[Evil Vito]

I want Samoa Joe vs. Josh Barnett at the next Bloodsport.

[erickman]

i can see kay and royce taking the impact womens belts. mickie james i see ether going to nwa with her husband. bo will sale houses. joe he is a hard one if he has much left aew if not part timer impact before he moves to color.

[weather vane]

Joe comes in and takes Cage out of Team Taz. First good feud no?

[Emperor Smeat]

Out of the list, seems AEW is interested in Chelsea Green based on a recent teaser tweet by Cody.


i can see kay and royce taking the impact womens belts. mickie james i see ether going to nwa with her husband. bo will sale houses. joe he is a hard one if he has much left aew if not part timer impact before he moves to color.

That feels about right.

Billie and Peyton would thrive better as a team and in Impact before making a potential jump later to AEW. Would also give them a chance to get rid of any WWE stink and not be seen as just another WWE castoff going right to AEW.

Joe could also go to ROH as well since he has some great past history there.

[weather vane]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everyone WWE released today can't sign anywhere until July 14</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1382785795476525056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

How the duck do I post stuff???!!!

[erickman]

Out of the list, seems AEW is interested in Chelsea Green based on a recent teaser tweet by Cody.




That feels about right.

Billie and Peyton would thrive better as a team and in Impact before making a potential jump later to AEW. Would also give them a chance to get rid of any WWE stink and not be seen as just another WWE castoff going right to AEW.

Joe could also go to ROH as well since he has some great past history there.

joe would be good in roh part timer let him be in management on screen. making matches. i see kay and royce getting contracts to work impact japan and some matches in aew, good thing the companys are working togather.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How do you drop the ball on SAMOA JOE?!?!? How?! Injuries aside, what a mistake.</p>&mdash; Renee Paquette (@ReneePaquette) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReneePaquette/status/1382775554068258818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Freedom baby!!</p>&mdash; TUCKy (@tuckerwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/tuckerwwe/status/1382758096800337920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

I Wesley Blake the Q Anon/Trump supporter or is that Ryker?

[Emperor Smeat]

Ryker.

[ClockShot]

Well, Joe is the big name on that list. Don't know if he got clearance from his Doctor to get back in the ring. Wouldn't be surprised if Impact called him up. Would be interesting to see him in AEW, but only as a backstage guy like a coach or something.

I have no doubt that Shawn Spears hopped on the phone and advocated to either Cody or Tony Khan to bring the missus in. Would not be surprised in the least if Billie Kay follows her.

Chelsea Green to AEW ASAP. But, she has to go back to the hot mess gimmick.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Who amongst this list of wrestlers do you think is actually sad they got released?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I can’t imagine Billie Kay and Peyton Royce are too bummed that they don’t have WWE creative kneecapping their shtick that they got over all on their own.

[Gerard]

Bo Dallas? When was he even last on tv?

[screech]

Mojo Rawley is gone

[Gerard]

There's a tweet going about saying its due to budget cuts.....LOL

[Lock Jaw]

Not Bo Dallas!!!!

[Sepholio]

Sad Bo never got to work with Bray.

[erickman]

i guess bo is just going to sale houses and work a few indy shows and do a signing or 2.

[owenbrown]

I BOLIEVE these releases are fucking bullshit

[Sepholio]

gonna assume Mojo being cut means Gronk burned his bridges with the WWE and they won't be calling him back when he reretires.

[xrodmuc316]

gonna assume Mojo being cut means Gronk burned his bridges with the WWE and they won't be calling him back when he reretires.

For sure, had Gronk showed up for whatever they wanted him to do at Mania 37 Mojo would have lasted until at least Summerslam!

Bo is for sure the saddest, he basically retired 18 months ago but was still getting a paycheck!

[Volare]

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[Emperor Smeat]

gonna assume Mojo being cut means Gronk burned his bridges with the WWE and they won't be calling him back when he reretires.

Any usefulness Gronk had for WWE evaporated the moment Bad Bunny showed up and caused their online shop sales to skyrocket. Same for him generating way more mainstream interest and social media talk for the company.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Fightful Select, Samoa Joe's release was less due to "budget cuts" and more over issues of him wanting to wrestle again while WWE wasn't willing to medically clear him.

Both sides ended up agreeing to go their separate ways leading to his release yesterday.

[Triple A]

did someone post this gif of Samoa Joe shoving MJF already

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MJF vs Samoa Joe needs to happen in AEW... book it <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> <a href="https://t.co/zfQpisz5Up">pic.twitter.com/zfQpisz5Up</a></p>&mdash; Sonny (@SonnyTheJobber) <a href="https://twitter.com/SonnyTheJobber/status/1382770309338701827?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Tom Guycott]

gonna assume Mojo being cut means Gronk burned his bridges with the WWE and they won't be calling him back when he reretires.

For sure, had Gronk showed up for whatever they wanted him to do at Mania 37 Mojo would have lasted until at least Summerslam!

Bo is for sure the saddest, he basically retired 18 months ago but was still getting a paycheck!

Any usefulness Gronk had for WWE evaporated the moment Bad Bunny showed up and caused their online shop sales to skyrocket. Same for him generating way more mainstream interest and social media talk for the company.

Pretty sure Gronk going and getting another Super Bowl ring was a little more important than any bridges he may or may not have supposedly burned.

[Tom Guycott]

The IIconics being released is funny to me. Not funny "haha", or even funny at them, but like... weird. A couple of years ago, WWE was insistent that they were going to be the biggest thing ever. I'm not saying they're godawful, but I feel there were obviously better in-ring girls than them and there are better looking girls than them in general. They were poised to be the act that the whole women's tag-team division was centered around in spite of that... and now they're post-Wrestlemania housecleaning fodder.

To put in perspective how weird that seems to me, let's substitute them with, say, Roman Reigns. Given his current position, status, push, etc... then they decide around, say, September or October to just not give him anything to do, then unceremoniously release him during next year's April sweepstakes.

[erickman]

According to Fightful Select, Samoa Joe's release was less due to "budget cuts" and more over issues of him wanting to wrestle again while WWE wasn't willing to medically clear him.

Both sides ended up agreeing to go their separate ways leading to his release yesterday.

so joe was not ready to be a color guy, he might be able to get a short term deal with aew before he is forced to do another role like color or mouthpiece.

[Lock Jaw]

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Peyton: Just let me go and see what happens
WWE: Ok.

[Fignuts]

They did let her go, and what happened was that even Asuka couldn't hide that Peyton is sloppy in the ring.

[erickman]

They did let her go, and what happened was that even Asuka couldn't hide that Peyton is sloppy in the ring.

yet the worst wrestler in wwe the nia beast is wrestling on every show with the tag belt.

[Danny Electric]

Not too surprised with many of the releases really , the roster including developmental is massive and if they are going to be doing the post Wrestlemania call ups then they need to clear some space.
Maybe the Iiconics could have stayed but they will get opportunities and a pay check elsewhere.
I am not too aware so asking with the international guys ie Wesley and Kay (Royce is married so I’m guessing is ok) what is the score with them staying in the USA if they are unemployed as guessing they are there on visas.

[Lock Jaw]

They did let her go, and what happened was that even Asuka couldn't hide that Peyton is sloppy in the ring.

Don't pay attention, didn't know she actually got Asuka after that.... thought she was decent enough in NXT..

[Evil Vito]

Tucker fascinates me in terms of opportunity - he's not a guy that's going to be able milk his WWE career for much on the nostalgia circuit, because he doesn't have much value in that regard without Otis. Nor is he going to immediately have major promotions clamoring to book him aside from AEW Dark-esque enhancement matches.

We don't know what Tucker outside of WWE looks like, because I don't think he's wrestled anywhere else. But if he still wants to wrestle he's someone who strikes me as more than talented and capable enough to reinvent himself and prove his worth elsewhere

I can see him either pulling a Thomas Santell and completely transforming himself on the indies, or else having a good run as an import somewhere like NOAH or one of the smaller Japanese promotions. There's just something about him that makes me think we haven't seen his best yet.

[Bad News Gertner]

Mojo Rawley is gone

https://media4.giphy.com/media/mD44sZCdqtR3AbChoB/giphy.gif

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who fucking knows?</p>&mdash; TUCKy (@REALLeviCooper) <a href="https://twitter.com/REALLeviCooper/status/1383072915504001024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Volare]

Ok I want Tucker on the first good podcast. Don't care who gets him first but I wanna hear this shit.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer Newsletter, a second wave of roster cuts is currently rumored to happen soon and mostly target NXT and developmental.

No other details were given besides that being what was getting spread around backstage.

[xrodmuc316]

Pretty sure Gronk going and getting another Super Bowl ring was a little more important than any bridges he may or may not have supposedly burned.

Yeah not faulting Gronk one bit, just saying had Gronk been at Mania this year, Mojo would likely still be employed. Mojo had a job for so long because of the possibility of having Gronk, it's as simple as that. Without Gronk Mojo wouldn't have had his biggest win, and he would have been let go years ago.

[xrodmuc316]

Not too surprised with many of the releases really , the roster including developmental is massive and if they are going to be doing the post Wrestlemania call ups then they need to clear some space.
Maybe the Iiconics could have stayed but they will get opportunities and a pay check elsewhere.
I am not too aware so asking with the international guys ie Wesley and Kay (Royce is married so I’m guessing is ok) what is the score with them staying in the USA if they are unemployed as guessing they are there on visas.

I think you are confusing Wesley Blake with Buddy Murphy, Blake is American and is married to the girl that won the last Tough Enoigh.

And Billie Kay would likely just need to find another job to keep her Visa active I believe.

[Gerard]

yet the worst wrestler in wwe the nia beast is wrestling on every show with the tag belt.

Ah but she's related to the rock, like every samoan ever born it seems.

[Fignuts]

Apparently, part of the reason Billie Kay was released was because Kevin Dunn didn't "get" her.

How do you not get Billie Kay? Her character isn't complex or unorthodox in any way.

[erickman]

Ah but she's related to the rock, like every samoan ever born it seems.

everyone but samoa joe he is the only one not related

[xrodmuc316]

Apparently, part of the reason Billie Kay was released was because Kevin Dunn didn't "get" her.

How do you not get Billie Kay? Her character isn't complex or unorthodox in any way.

He is a weird dude, unless somebody is both overly awkward and creepy, Kevin Dunn doesn't get them.

Just wait, Dexter Lumas will be the first hand picked by Kevin Dunn WWE Champion :rofl:

[slik]

Kevin Dunn also didn't "get" Becky Lynch and thought her accent would make it hard for fans to take interest in her.

[owenbrown]

Fuck Kevin Dunn

[Bad News Gertner]

I agree. Becky would be much better without that retarded accent.

[drave]

Kevin Dunn also didn't "get" Becky Lynch and thought her accent would make it hard for fans to take interest in her.




And this is when I look at Apollo Crews, and say "WTF". Are they giving him a fake accent so they can say they don't get him too?

[xrodmuc316]

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/04/wwe-to-make-more-releases-today/

"It was just reported by the Wrestling Observer Newsletter that the rumor going on Thursday said more cuts could be coming today, April 16, with a focus on NXT."

So after the releases on the 15th, Dave took a calculated guess that more releases were coming in the 16th, played it as if he has "sources" and is a credible journalist, and then surprise surprise, there were no further releases...

Guess Plans Changed, That My Friends, Will Be $11.99.

[Jordan]

Yeah he has no sources in WWE anymore. I think his big source was possibly Bruce but I don't really know for sure. I guess it could have been Patterson as well, that would make a bit of sense because since Pat died he's really had nothing.

[Lock Jaw]

Meltzer sheep,,,,,

[IC Champion]

Yeah he has no sources in WWE anymore. I think his big source was possibly Bruce but I don't really know for sure. I guess it could have been Patterson as well, that would make a bit of sense because since Pat died he's really had nothing.

So wait, that would mean Bruce and Meltzer have be working us this whole time?

[Bad News Gertner]

Bruce used to be one of Dave's sources.


Lol Zack Ryder made a comment on his podcast about his cohost saying Ryder was full of shit and Ryder said "no I'm not Bruce Prichard" something along those lines

Fucking amazing podcast btw. MC's True Long Island Story

[Jordan]

So wait, that would mean Bruce and Meltzer have be working us this whole time?

That's my theory.

[Bad News Gertner]

Meltzer isn't working and Bruce is full of shit

[Ruien]

Wait, people pay monthly for wrestling news?

[Emperor Smeat]

Meltzer only stated that it was a rumor going around backstage that a second wave was going to happen and possibly yesterday.

Usually whenever WWE does releases, its either in multiple waves close together or its one big wave with some trickling afterwards and NXT rarely being spared.

Last year's mass release took several days to a week to finish.


Yeah he has no sources in WWE anymore. I think his big source was possibly Bruce but I don't really know for sure. I guess it could have been Patterson as well, that would make a bit of sense because since Pat died he's really had nothing.

He still has sources but way less from the wrestlers side since they've mostly went to Fightful during the past couple years. Fightful even took over the late Casey Michael's role as being the go to outlet for wrestlers in NXT.

WWE thought they had a checkmate over the dirtsheets when they allowed talent to feud with Meltzer on Twitter without realizing the rest would just move on to other sheets outlets to leak news since Fightful and others were not on their blacklist.

[Jordan]

So wait, that would mean Bruce and Meltzer have be working us this whole time?

That's my theory.

[owenbrown]

Wait, people pay monthly for wrestling news?

Only thing I would do if I had an Observer subscription is for the Bryan and Vinny show

[Vastardikai]

Joe has some name value. If he can get cleared, he can go pretty much anywhere. I don't know if he'll go AEW, because he takes the business and himself seriously. That is something to be mocked down there. I'm guessing Impact or Japan.

Mickey is interesting. I can see her going to either NWA with her husband or AEW, who sorely needs a veteran talent to teach some of their girls how to work. Either way, I can't wait to see Mickey vs. Thunder Rosa.

Chelsea Greene will likely go back to Impact. It'd be the best fit for her.

Mojo Rawley needs to reinvent himself if he's sticking around in wrestling, but he probably isn't.

Tucker isn't that big of a loss, to hell with what delusional marks think. The dude threw down a paper with his lines on it in front of the camera and is wondering why he wasn't used like his tag team partner, who is actually charismatic and entertaining.

The IIconics (I mention them together for a reason) have more value as a pair than as a solo act. That said, is the one girl weird looking or did she just have the WWE makeup cannon explode in her face? I ask because the WWE makeup cannon has a habit of making pretty girls look really ugly.

I'm sure Kallisto will be fine. He can always go back to Mexico.

Wesley Blake I'm sure can find work elsewhere. Odd that of all the Forgotten Sons, the open bigot is the only one still employed.

Bo Dallas is going into real estate, from what I have heard, and good for him. He was a decent talent. If anyone would benefit from going to NWA as his real name, it'd be him. He can ride that train for a few bucks.

[Lock Jaw]

Going to AEW is something to mock more than going to Impact?

[Vastardikai]

Going to AEW is something to mock more than going to Impact?

Fair enough. But of the two, he'd be better off in Impa... (remembers some of the lowlights in his run with the company)

Fuck... He'd be better off in Japan, I think.

[XL]

From the isle of Japan, the Japanese Submission Machine, Japan Joe!

Joe in Japan would be good. But if he’s not healthy it could be half-arsed.

[slik]

I don't know if he'll go AEW, because he takes the business and himself seriously. That is something to be mocked down there. I'm guessing Impact or Japan.


:rofl:

AEW is something to mock over his most recent employer :lol:

[erickman]

if joe can work for russo and his crappy booking he can do aew. i think it is ether roh or aew for joe.

[xrodmuc316]

Samoa Joe - "Hello Tony Khan, nice to meet you. You are pretty cool."
Tony Khan - "Thanks, here is $3 Million Dollars!"
AEW Twitter - "Samoa Joe is All Elite"

Book It

[Fignuts]

I'd actually like to see Joe in njpw for a short run, before he goes to AEW. Maybe even as a G-1 entry.

I just want to see him against Ishii and Suzuki.

[Fignuts]

I don't think AEW would book Joe in silly nonsense. Miro was booked that way because it's what he wanted for some reason.

Joe has the clout and veteran status, where I don't think they'll make Joe do anything he doesn't want to.

[RP]

The only way WWE releases Samoa Joe is if they genuinely believe Joe is at risk of a life threatening injury.

[drave]

Like DBryan and Edge, amirite.

[Sepholio]

I mean I get what RP is saying. If they thought Joe would be able to get cleared from his injury in a reasonable amount of time they would def have held onto him at least through the remainder of his contract.

[drave]

Nope. He has moobs, they did everything they were gonna do with him already.

[Sepholio]

I dunno man. If he had just ok moobs that would be one thing but Joe has a tremendous rack on him.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty surreal that Joe never got a title on the main roster....

[Bad News Gertner]

He was U.S Champ wasn't he?

[Lock Jaw]

Wikipedia says yes. Totally forgot about it. It was even before I stopped watching and everything.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

If Joe goes to AEW can he start using the actual Godzilla theme?

[Emperor Smeat]

Add some no-name low level employee to the pile of releases.

According to Triple H, that person got fired for recently "disrespecting" Mickie James when the real reason was more likely due to WWE trying to save some face from the online backlash after Mickie revealed her "care package" from WWE arrived today, which was just all of her stuff in a garbage bag with a sticker of her name. Her tweet managed to be a top trend on Twitter.

Maria Kanellis revealed the same was done to her stuff after she was released from WWE.

Edit: CM Punk threw a bit of shade at Triple H over WWE firing someone for giving disrespectful treatment to a released WWE talent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Upon learning of the disrespectful treatment some of our recently released talent received on behalf of the company, we took immediate action. The person responsible for this inconsiderate action has been fired and is no longer with <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a>.</p>&mdash; Triple H (@TripleH) <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/1385385638267166722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> Im not sure if you’re aware, I did receive my <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> care package today. Thank you. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlwaysBlessedandGrateful?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AlwaysBlessedandGrateful</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WomensWrestlingMatters?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WomensWrestlingMatters</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/PyDC7ZC9lG">pic.twitter.com/PyDC7ZC9lG</a></p>&mdash; Mickie James~Aldis (@MickieJames) <a href="https://twitter.com/MickieJames/status/1385313791131389952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

atleast it is a good trash bag, i guess boxes might have been better. was that mailed to her or was it left outside the next building, i kind of like seeng how they handle fired peoples stuff.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've read about this a lot today and I totally don't get the issue

A massive Mountain out of a Molehill

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems its more about how little effort or care WWE gave towards sending someone their stuff back especially for someone with a beloved status like Mickie.

Plus the issue got fueled by a recent tweet and some comments made by Mickie over how her end in the company played out in a less than cordial way.

If it wasn't for Mickie's tweet blowing up on Twitter, WWE probably wouldn't have cared nor offered a public apology over the poor treatment she was given after her release.

[Emperor Smeat]

Turns out there was a second wave of releases after all like Meltzer initially reported was rumored to be happening. He ended up being off on where it would happen since it wasn't NXT who got affected but instead WWE's office staff.

There have reportedly been multiple departures at WWE HQ over the past few days.

It was reported by PWInsider that WWE has been undergoing somewhat of a corporate level housecleaning this week, with the departures centered around the Talent Relations department, which recently underwent another shake-up as John Laurinaitis took over.

Nicole Zeoli, who was working as Director of Talent Relations, is no longer with the company. She had been with WWE for more than 11 years, and moved into this Director’s role in February 2018.

Longtime WWE referee John Cone has been released from his role as Senior Manager of the Talent Relations department. He remains with the company as a referee.

On a related note, Mark Carrano remains with WWE in the Talent Relations department, but apparently is no longer working as the Senior Director. There had been speculation on his status after Laurinaitis took back over as the head of Talent Relations in early March, a job he previously held several years ago.

It was noted that there may have been other departures from this latest shake-up, but they have not been confirmed yet.


Edit: Also turns out it wasn't some no-name low level employee who got fired over the recent Mickie James garbage bag controversy and instead was WWE's former Head of Talent Relations who got fired for it according to WrestlingInc.

Wrestling Inc. has learned that WWE has fired Senior Director of Talent Relations Mark Carrano.

As previously reported, former WWE Superstar Mickie James revealed that she received a black garbage bag with her belongings after being released by the company last week.

Triple H issued a statement on Twitter, stating that “person responsible for this inconsiderate action has been fired and is no longer with WWE.”

[Bad News Gertner]

Holy shit

[Evil Vito]

Lol fuck Carrano

[slik]

From what I remember most wrestlers strongly dislike Carrano so I don't think he'll be missed.

[erickman]

i guess the male wrestlers are happy they did not have the drawer that the woman wrestlers get so when they get fired wwe don't have to send them anything. why did wwe not pour the stuff from the bag to the box that would save a trash bag? an doing that crap since gail kim.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I feel so terrible. I am so sorry you were treated like this, Ivelisse. ��<br><br>I can’t believe Mickie James took a picture of you without your consent. ��</p>&mdash; �� �� (@The__Realest4) <a href="https://twitter.com/The__Realest4/status/1385382956915625985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

From what I remember most wrestlers strongly dislike Carrano so I don't think he'll be missed.

Yeah.

It also seems he specifically did the trash bag treatment towards women who were released since other former WWE women joined in saying the same happened to them.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I feel so terrible. I am so sorry you were treated like this, Ivelisse. ��<br><br>I can’t believe Mickie James took a picture of you without your consent. ��</p>&mdash; �� �� (@The__Realest4) <a href="https://twitter.com/The__Realest4/status/1385382956915625985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL Damn, that's a solid burn :rofl:

[rez]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I feel so terrible. I am so sorry you were treated like this, Ivelisse. ��<br><br>I can’t believe Mickie James took a picture of you without your consent. ��</p>&mdash; �� �� (@The__Realest4) <a href="https://twitter.com/The__Realest4/status/1385382956915625985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

fuckin lol

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWI, it hasn't been confirmed if Mark Carrano was actually responsible for the Mickie James trash bag controversy but the story going around backstage was him being the fall guy for it and similar past instances with former female talent.

The story making the rounds among numerous WWE staffers and talents is that Carrrano is taking the heat for the Mickie James social media postings earlier this evening with James revealing her belongings were sent to her by WWE inside a boxed trash bag. That led to other former talents claiming the same had happened to them.

Also seems his firing was bound to happen anyways since he pretty much had no real power in the company after John Laurinaitis took over his job as Head of Talent Relations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Had some in the company say they wouldn't be surprised if Carrano goes without an &quot;official firing&quot; and instead just has next to no duties, or none at all</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1385421747986567168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

yeah carrano could be the fall guy for something vince might have come up with in his pettyness. good thing orton did not crap in the bags.

[weather vane]

Why is WWE so fucking weird? Just be normal. Jesus.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol at them acting like they are appalled by the trash bag. What is there even to be petty about? Wwe fired them.

Anyways I don’t think it was done out of spite or pettiness, it’s a simple matter of not giving a fuck about people.

[erickman]

lol at them acting like they are appalled by the trash bag. What is there even to be petty about? Wwe fired them.

Anyways I don’t think it was done out of spite or pettiness, it’s a simple matter of not giving a fuck about people.

they would have been smarter to pour the bag into the box, that would not look as bad. when office workers get let go they get there stuff in a box. surprised a past womans wrestler did not get a pic of the garbage bag sooner like gail kim.

[erickman]

i figured out what chelsea green can do when she is at ether impact or aew. she will be her old hot mess with the torn white dress and add the wwe trash bag have her run around with that full trash bag.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Fightful, there is a small chance WWE could end up rehiring Mark Carrano in the future due to him knowing too many of the company's dirty secrets that they wouldn't like to be made public.

Additionally, Fightful reports that one longtime WWE name believes that Carrano could return the company eventually because he knows “where too many bodies are buried.” The same person told Fightful that the trash bag incident could’ve been WWE’s perfect out for releasing Carrano after the recent talent relations shakeup.

[xrodmuc316]

According to Fightful, there is a small chance WWE could end up rehiring Mark Carrano in the future due to him knowing too many of the company's dirty secrets that they wouldn't like to be made public.

Executives certainly sign NDA's

[Volare]

Is this why Michael Cole is still employed?

[drave]

magal

[Supreme Olajuwon]

WERE BACK BABY


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're told that several WWE stars have been informed of their releases</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1456390146522234885?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

must be nxt no news yet

[xrodmuc316]

WERE BACK BABY


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're told that several WWE stars have been informed of their releases</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1456390146522234885?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ember Moon, Scarlett, Morrison's wife, and Lorcan were released.

[Evil Vito]

Scarlett, Franky Monet, Ember Moon released

[xrodmuc316]

Scarlett, Franky Monet, Ember Moon released

Franky, I couldnt think of her name!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Scarlett Lmaoooo has Vince not seen her?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No names though? This dude is just guessing because we all know its coming.

Woo boy are you going to feel silly if you click on his Twitter feed right now

[xrodmuc316]

Woo boy are you going to feel silly if you click on his Twitter feed right now

Lol he broke a story with no details. We all knew releases were coming, but why tweet BEFORE any names come out? He could have waited 20 minutes, but he wanted to come off like he had sources.

I edited it with the names once they came out, and was gonna let it go, but yeah, I stand by it, he just made a guess before it happened.

[xrodmuc316]

Scarlett Lmaoooo has Vince not seen her?

Old Vince is no longer a genetic jackhammer.

[erickman]

so when monet goes back to impact i hope she has an orange jump suit. she can say they let me out of jail early i escaped the stanferd penn.

[Bad News Gertner]

Sean Ross Sapp is literally the best source for anything wrestling on the net. Hands down.

[Bad News Gertner]

Eva Marie
Mia Yim

Both gone

[Bad News Gertner]

Nia Jax
Harry Smith
Keith Lee

gone

[mike adamle]

Wow Keith Lee and Nia Jax are gone

[Triple A]

Karrion Kross also

[mike adamle]

Karrion Kross gone

[Bad News Gertner]

Karrion Kross
Lince Dorado
Gran Metalik

Gone

[Bad News Gertner]

Alexa Bliss released wtf

Fake account.

[Evil Vito]

Lol Harry Smith didn’t even return to television. Damn.

[Triple A]

yeah nvm Fightful retweeted it for some reason

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Lol he broke a story with no details. We all knew releases were coming, but why tweet BEFORE any names come out? He could have waited 20 minutes, but he wanted to come off like he had sources.

I edited it with the names once they came out, and was gonna let it go, but yeah, I stand by it, he just made a guess before it happened.

You knew you were wrong and changed your post, but now you’re trying to act like you’re right. Take your L and move along.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful has confirmed Keith Lee has been released by WWE</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1456399724043554818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


OH MY GOD

KEITH LEE IS ALL ELITE

[erickman]

nia gone what took so long

[Evil Vito]

Keith Lee deserves his freedom

[DAMN iNATOR]

nia gone what took so long

Hey at least she gave us one memorable moment:

vcl69RfGw54

[ClockShot]

Rock's probably on the phone with Vince saying "The fuck you release Nia for?"

[erickman]

Rock's probably on the phone with Vince saying "The fuck you release Nia for?"

now he has to pay for her upkeep

[Evil Vito]

And these releases happen on the day Q3 financials came out showing they made a shitload of money.

What a morally bankrupt company.

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't get that criticism

Why should they have to hang onto wrestlers they have no use for?

[owenbrown]

And these releases happen on the day Q3 financials came out showing they made a shitload of money.

What a morally bankrupt company.

I consider them morally bankrupt when they still have Kevin "10 million camera cuts a millisecond" Dunn on their payroll

[Lock Jaw]

Just because they are making a ton of money doesn't mean they need to keep everyone under contract forever. Morals have nothing to do with it, that's just business.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn, Gertner beat me to it while I was typing that post....

[Destor]

your job isnt a charity. get over or go somewhere else

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Crazy to think less than 2 years ago Keith Lee got some shine from Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar in back to back Big 4 PPVs

[DaveWadding]

KEITH LEE is an absolute megastar waiting for his moment. Everyone needs to look the fuck out.

[Lock Jaw]

Granted I did not see too much of him, but I did not see star potential... certainly not MEGAstar potential...

[Bad News Gertner]

Honestly, Keith Lee reminds me of Brodus Clay

[Sepholio]

I don't get that criticism

Why should they have to hang onto wrestlers they have no use for?

Because WWE bad Gertner. Vince evil!

Also as I have said before, it's damned if you do damned if you don't for WWE with some people. If he keeps people and doesn't use them then Vince is an evil bastard who is holding talent back just so he can hoard them and keep them from going elsewhere. The instant he does release them the exact same people are like "RAAAAWWRRRR that monster, Vince McMahon!". It's absolutely ridiculous.

[Sepholio]

Keith being released def surprised me though. Nia too. Ember Moon also a little surprising although tbh I haven't watched much of her stuff since she came back from the really nasty injury she had and went back to NXT.

[Evil Vito]

Just because they are making a ton of money doesn't mean they need to keep everyone under contract forever. Morals have nothing to do with it, that's just business.

Nobody’s saying they have to keep people under contract forever. Plenty of people have asked to be released, and I’m all for that.

I’m also all for simply letting contracts expire. “Thanks for your service, we’ve decided not to renew. Best of luck to you”. Easy. No problem with that. The company and talent honored their end of the deal.

Firing is something a company only needs to when there is a need to tighten the belts. The company is churning in ungodly money, so budget cuts doesn’t fly.

[Evil Vito]

They literally just gave one of the talents a new contract a week ago. So you wanted to keep her for multiple years last week and now, nah?

It’s stupid and a bad look.

[Lock Jaw]

Who did they give a new contract?

[Lock Jaw]

Also, you should be able to fire someone before their contract ends if they aren't performing like you want. You shouldn't have to pay out the rest of their contract just because you can afford it.

[erickman]

Who did they give a new contract?

i think it was the hit row chick

[slik]

5 of my guesses were correct:

Keith/Mia/Kross/Scarlett/Nia

Don't like to see anyone lose a job - more releases rumored today for WWE - my guess could be *some* of the following:

Keith Lee
Mia Yim
Karrion Kross
Scarlett
Kevin Owens
Cesaro
Drake Maverick
OTIS
Akira Tozawa
Dana Brooke
Elias
Tamina
Nia
Jaxon Ryker
Ricochet

[slik]

Surprised Dana Brooke, Tamina, Jaxson Ryker survived

[slik]

Would like to see Keith Lee rassle Bryan Danielson, Miro, Adam Page, etc

Prayer Circle to keep Nia Jax away, far away, from AEW...

[Destor]

Also, you should be able to fire someone before their contract ends if they aren't performing like you want. You shouldn't have to pay out the rest of their contract just because you can afford it.absolutely

[slik]

My take on Nick Khan's WWE is:


You won't see things like Mandy or Austin Theory get re-sent to NXT for further development (in Austin's case this was a great thing, his current character is good, early Randy Orton vibes IMO). If they don't click the way WWE wants them to WWE might fidget with them a little but then just 'cut their losses'


We'll probably see more and more callups from NXT 2.0 as time goes on. This means more main roster talent will be cleared out for the 'freshening' of the main roster. I don't think people will stay in NXT as long as the past, at all.


Nick Kahn probably looks at main event talent as 'have they peaked for what we will use them for' and 'how expensive are they if they've peaked' ala Braun/Bray/Nia.


I think Nick Khan is interested in who they can build the company on for the next 5-10 years. You have to keep around the older names people know like Edge, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, etc, but you cannot build the company around them.


Roman's time as 'the guy' will be over in a year or two. It's just time. Hogan, Austin/Rock, Cena, etc. No one goes a full decade as 'the guy'. His push started at WM31 as 'the guy'. It's got another year or two left, they have to figure out who the next face of WWE will be then.


Outside of Ronda, Brock being Brock, Austin a shoe-in for a WM role, Rock likely for a WM role the year after that, WWE doesn't have anymore rabbits to pull out of the magic hat for surprise returns. Edge was the bottom of the hat. They HAVE TO make new stars/freshen things up.

[Vastardikai]

Would like to see Keith Lee rassle Bryan Danielson, Miro, Adam Page, etc

Prayer Circle to keep Nia Jax away, far away, from AEW...

Nia Jax vs Red Velvet would be fascinating. It'd be a competition as to who injures Red first: Nia or Velvet attempting some kind of backflip move that she has no idea how to do.

[slik]

On the flip side of my take on Nick Khan's WWE, these tweets are also very accurate, as it once again teaches fans not to bother investing in new characters.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE is a business, and as a business they can do what they want, but they're also putting out episodic television. As a fan it's difficult to get invested in storylines and/or characters when they'll just cut motherfucker's at a moments notice. <br><br>This isn't Game of Thrones. <a href="https://t.co/oym2G8T8wR">pic.twitter.com/oym2G8T8wR</a></p>&mdash; Dicki Bella  (@DickVanKlondike) <a href="https://twitter.com/DickVanKlondike/status/1456407883638259716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is my issue w/ WWE... What's the point of getting invested? It used to be that the folks you watched and got invested in all year would be replaced in top spots by a Brock, Goldberg etc. and now it's like, is this person even gonna fuckin' be here in two months??</p>&mdash; Jim Stansel (@ToddBollocks) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToddBollocks/status/1456405805675290626?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

I say Nick Kahn's WWE too because there's talk Vince is in decline. Some people say he doesn't remember what happened the previous week on TV sometimes.

No one can defeat Time. It makes sense. Vince rarely speaks at the quarterly conference calls, spoke 1 sentence when fans were brought back this year, had that BIZARRE rambling speech on HHH appreciation night a year or two ago. Nick Khan is probably the most powerful person in WWE history whose not part of the McMahon family.

[slik]

Allllllllso, the office cuts this week were said to be people who were Stephanie's people/in her inner circle.

Steph has to be rather stressed these days with Vince...aging, HHH...recovering and Nick Khan gaining power.

[xrodmuc316]

You knew you were wrong and changed your post, but now you’re trying to act like you’re right. Take your L and move along.

No, I edited it when the names started coming out.

[xrodmuc316]

Nobody’s saying they have to keep people under contract forever. Plenty of people have asked to be released, and I’m all for that.

I’m also all for simply letting contracts expire. “Thanks for your service, we’ve decided not to renew. Best of luck to you”. Easy. No problem with that. The company and talent honored their end of the deal.

Firing is something a company only needs to when there is a need to tighten the belts. The company is churning in ungodly money, so budget cuts doesn’t fly.

I am with Vito on this one. If someone signs a 3 year contract, they should not be released without just cause. The talent cant just decide to go to another wrestling company whenever they feel like it, they have to wait until their contract expires. WWE should be tied to the contract they offered, not just able to end the agreement on a whim with no reason other than we arent using them.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEReleases?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEReleases</a> <a href="https://t.co/2CO7hnpR6h">pic.twitter.com/2CO7hnpR6h</a></p>&mdash; Arik Cannon (@arikcannon) <a href="https://twitter.com/arikcannon/status/1456407325871415301?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Destor]

just cause includes poor performance. its in the contract.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS <a href="https://t.co/80P3TrJlrE">https://t.co/80P3TrJlrE</a></p>&mdash; BIFF Busick (@_starDESTROYER) <a href="https://twitter.com/_starDESTROYER/status/1456394180498968577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

4 were reportedly released due to being unvaxxed. Or thar it played a big role in it. Nia Jax being one.

[Simple Fan]

This round was pretty much WWE admitting that they'd made some mistakes with guys like Kross and Lee. As a fan of everything but WWE, I've grown to love these mass releases.

[Sepholio]

You should've grown to love washing your feet and ass by now.

[Simple Fan]

I wash my feet unlike most of you. You guys have fallen in love with my ass though.

[DaveWadding]

4 were reportedly released due to being unvaxxed. Or thar it played a big role in it. Nia Jax being one.

Here's me guessing: Kross, Scarlett, Eva Marie

[Damian Rey 2.0]

your job isnt a charity. get over or go somewhere else

While this is true, it can’t possibly apply to a company that micro managers and scripts every single thing that happens with zero creative input or any semblance of freedom from the actual talent.

In this case, it’s better that Lee and Kross got let go. They can do well/be used far better elsewhere and still make a good living. It’s a good time to get released, tbh.

Lee especially. This is potentially a huge blessing for him. Not to mention he’s prob gonna make a killing in t shirt sales once he can.

[XL]

Yeah that’s a massive over simplification by Destor. Harry Smith? Hasn’t even been on TV. No opportunity to get over. We all know the deal with Lee, Yim, Kross, Scarlett, given shit to work with.

[XL]

I am with Vito on this one. If someone signs a 3 year contract, they should not be released without just cause. The talent cant just decide to go to another wrestling company whenever they feel like it, they have to wait until their contract expires. WWE should be tied to the contract they offered, not just able to end the agreement on a whim with no reason other than we arent using them.

And this. It’s the out of whack power dynamic that’s the issue. You’re an “independent contractor” signed to an exclusive contract, if you want to break the contract, no chance. If we want to, we will. And then we’ll dictate when you can go elsewhere.

[RaginRonic]

Well, it's nice to see that that massive Samoan circus snatch Nia Jax has now been told to fuck off.....it's what the raging cunt gets for hurting other wrestlers. Piss on her.

As for the others, meh....it is what it is. =P

[Mr. Nerfect]

These all sound like pretty sensible cuts. WWE are monsters if they hire everybody, but they are also monsters if they dare fire anyone they aren’t using or don’t want to use anymore. It’s crazy how quickly people got used to WWE never releasing anyone (even though they should have), and now act like it’s some crazy thing when what is essentially a talent search program cuts people.

I think talent should be able to get out of their deals too, for the record. But acting like WWE are villains in this is a bit much. They gave this talent chances (in their own world) and they didn’t live up to it.

Also, just because your profit margin is huge doesn’t mean you don’t have a budget. I hear Alvarez get on them for that every time this sort of things happen. If you want to cap your talent expenses at a certain amount, that is entirely your prerogative. It’s got nothing to do with your profit margin (other than you being able to afford it).

[Sepholio]

Samoan Circus Snatch. Ahahahahahahaha.

[Rammsteinmad]

Karrion Kross is just typical WWE. He's over in NXT, moves onto the main roster with no direction, then gets let go for not getting over.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cuts are a shitty thing to do IMO (except for the morons who are unvaxxed) but not completely unjustified. A lot of those people shouldn't have been signed in the first place because they were hoarded. Now they can go get over elsewhere. IMO it's a good thing for the most part. With guys like Kross and Lee, it'd have been better if the company didn't devalue them before kicking them to the curb. But whatcha gonna do.

And "bad performance" is pretty subjective in wrestling. Vince could fire anyone on any given day in this iteration of WWE given how paltry ratings are for wrestling as a whole.

[GD]

Izzy’s parent cheering on Lince Dorado’s release. Droford was right all along.

[weather vane]

It would be so fucked to get signed for a bunch of years… then released a few weeks later haha. That’s so so bizarre.

[Evil Vito]

WWE contracts can be ripped up at any time with barely any financial repercussion. It's a very one-sided relationship.

[Gerard]

lol, Eva Marie is back like 5 minutes. Surprised they released Jax considering who she's related to. Guess that'll be Dwayne telling them to eat a dick when they next want him to appear.

WWE contracts can be ripped up at any time with barely any financial repercussion. It's a very one-sided relationship.

Their contracts aren't worth the paper theyre written on, surprised supposed "independent contractors" have contracts of any type anyway.

And theyre still claiming these are "budget cuts". :rofl:

[Gerard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t worry <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEUniverse?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEUniverse</a> , I will be back very soon!<br>Aaaaand Stiiiilll the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/undisputed?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#undisputed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Undefeated?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Undefeated</a> 👑👸 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Czarina?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Czarina</a> of the Internet!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Smackdown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Smackdown</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wweraw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wweraw</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wwe?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wwe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EvaMarie?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EvaMarie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EvasCzarinas?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EvasCzarinas</a> <br> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEonFOX?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEonFOX</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/peacockTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@peacockTV</a> <a href="https://t.co/26E5kc7xje">pic.twitter.com/26E5kc7xje</a></p>&mdash; Eva Marie (@natalieevamarie) <a href="https://twitter.com/natalieevamarie/status/1455360554273542147?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That tweet aged well. :wave:

[slik]

Looking at the roster on wwe dot com and honestly they still probably need to trim another 25-30 wrestlers, roster is still 'too big'...aew also needs to trim their roster as well

[slik]

not wishing anyone out of a paycheck tho either

[hb2k]

Scarlett Lmaoooo has Vince not seen her?

Vince ixnayed her coming up with Kross, saying she was "too hokey".

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m kinda fascinated by Eva Marie getting cut. Like...Did they not know what they were getting when they brought her back? What did they suddenly decide she didn’t bring to the table? Did someone stand up in a meeting this week while cuts were being discussed and say “I’m just gonna throw this out here. Eva Marie’s skills aren’t quite up to snuff.”?

[Evil Vito]

Just had to go dig up a post from an old EWR game in March 2009 where I created a promotion entirely made of 2008/09 WWE releases and ran a Rumble on the first show.

Entry Order
1. Kenny Doane
2. Paul London
3. The Boogeyman
4. Lance Kade
5. Cliff Compton
6. Elijah Burke
7. D'Lo Brown
8. Groundskeeper Robbie
9. Val Venus
10. Bam LaRouche
11. Chuck Palumbo
12. Sinn the Clown
13. Balls Mahoney
14. Armando Castro
15. Dave Taylor
16. Gene Snisky
17. Colt Cabana
18. Trevor Murdock
19. King Nelson
20. Colin Olson
21. Ron Spears
22. James Maritato
23. Afa Jr.
24. Super Crazy
25. Thorn
26. Shannon Moore
27. Groundskeeper Rory
28. Bradley Ryan
29. Bob Howard
30. Chris Harris

I think a 2021 version of this would have way more star power, to say the least :lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d take Cliff Compton and Trevor Murdoch over all these clowns.

[drave]

I’m kinda fascinated by Eva Marie getting cut. Like...Did they not know what they were getting when they brought her back? What did they suddenly decide she didn’t bring to the table? Did someone stand up in a meeting this week while cuts were being discussed and say “I’m just gonna throw this out here. Eva Marie’s skills aren’t quite up to snuff.”?


I would also like to know the somewhat-inverse of this....




Who the hell stood up and thought she would bring ANYTHING to the table? That isn't denying that she's eye candy, but they have that already

[Bad News Gertner]

I’m kinda fascinated by Eva Marie getting cut. Like...Did they not know what they were getting when they brought her back? What did they suddenly decide she didn’t bring to the table? Did someone stand up in a meeting this week while cuts were being discussed and say “I’m just gonna throw this out here. Eva Marie’s skills aren’t quite up to snuff.”?

She could have been the top heel of the division easily.

[#1-norm-fan]

I assume that’s what they thought when they brought her back.

What the fuck changed???

[drave]

They watched her performances.

[#1-norm-fan]

Was it all just to get Doudrop over?

What the fuck is this company’s mindset???

[drave]

Can't have them know that people wrassled before they got to "E". You shall never say "Piper" and "Niven" in the same sentence.


Did they let Nia go because Piper? Just sayin...

[Destor]

lol, Eva Marie is back like 5 minutes. Surprised they released Jax considering who she's related to. Guess that'll be Dwayne telling them to eat a dick when they next want him to appear.



Their contracts aren't worth the paper theyre written on, surprised supposed "independent contractors" have contracts of any type anyway.

And theyre still claiming these are "budget cuts". :rofl:contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.

[Bad News Gertner]

I assume that’s what they thought when they brought her back.

What the fuck changed???

Instead of booking her as a giant chicken shit heel who believed her own delusional hype, we got Doudrop. Have her duck out of matches, fake injuries or hell have Doudrop as your enforcer who wins matches for her. Do the whole Diesel/HBK thing but with a twist. Eva takes all the credit, mistreating Doudrop, acting cocky. Build it to Becky vs Eva in Becky's long awaited return. Eva brings back the Diva's belt. Eva orders Doudrop to take her out. Doudrop finally refuses leaving the lamb to get slaughtered. Becky returns killing this obnoxious asshole, Doudrop becomes a face and Eva comes up with excuses. It's not that hard

[XL]

Yeah they pretty much did that angle but condensed it into 3 weeks.

[Sepholio]

That's all well and fine but I feel it completely misses something important: Eva has no talent other than standing around looking pretty. Without Doudrop carrying her in that scenario she would do nothing worthwhile in the ring. That only gets worse when Doudrop turns on her and she has no one to carry her. She isn't the worst on the mic ever, but she is still awful so I find it hard to think she would pull off making any of her promos believable. She would just be a female Sami Zayn with at best 1-2% of the talent he has to make it work.

They should have never brought her back in the first place.

[XL]

contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.

But again, they hold all the power. Until the last 2 years they were “the only game in town”. Making it in WWE was reaching the top of the mountain. Still is. So, yeah, you go in knowing the deal, doesn’t mean it’s not a completely one-sided deal.

[Sepholio]

contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.

This. You can't say it's unfair that WWE can "break" the contract and not the talent when the whole reason WWE has that ability is because the talent willingly gave them that right when they signed on the dotted line. If you have a problem with the terms of a contract then you either negotiate or you don't sign it and walk away and go somewhere else.

[Sepholio]

If I went to a job interview and they told me "we can fire you at any time but you can't ever quit and when/if we do can you you can't work anywhere else for 3 months" then I would stand up, shake the bosses hand and wish them the best in their future endeavors.

[Danny Electric]

2k22 makers in tears banging their head against the wall.

[XL]

If I went to a job interview and they told me "we can fire you at any time but you can't ever quit and when/if we do can you you can't work anywhere else for 3 months" then I would stand up, shake the bosses hand and wish them the best in their future endeavors.

I think now that there’s a viable alternative that’s exactly what more people will do. Would a Will Osprey look at the long list of mishandled guys that were stars in Japan and just think “nah”? There’s still a chance he could be used well, and there will often be a part of you that thinks “that won’t happen to me, I’m good enough to get over regardless”, or that just wants the exposure but I think this will make guys think before they go there. Then again, WWE aren’t interested in signing guys with experience so…

[XL]

Vince ixnayed her coming up with Kross, saying she was "too hokey".

He was entirely right tbf. Could they not just have asked her to tone it down though?

[ron the dial]

minus the lip syncing, i thought she was perfect with kross in nxt. liked her more than him.

[#1-norm-fan]

Instead of booking her as a giant chicken shit heel who believed her own delusional hype, we got Doudrop. Have her duck out of matches, fake injuries or hell have Doudrop as your enforcer who wins matches for her. Do the whole Diesel/HBK thing but with a twist. Eva takes all the credit, mistreating Doudrop, acting cocky. Build it to Becky vs Eva in Becky's long awaited return. Eva brings back the Diva's belt. Eva orders Doudrop to take her out. Doudrop finally refuses leaving the lamb to get slaughtered. Becky returns killing this obnoxious asshole, Doudrop becomes a face and Eva comes up with excuses. It's not that hard

Yeah they pretty much did that angle but condensed it into 3 weeks.

That’s what I was thinking. They basically rushed through that exact story as quickly as possible and then decided Eva Marie had served her purpose before the audience fucking knew what hit them.

There’s hotshotting and then there’s... THAT.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol they did everything in 2 weeks

[#1-norm-fan]

I think they seriously had Eva return, introduce Doudrop to wrestle in her place and then have Doudrop be like “Fuck this bitch...” all within 2 weeks. Lol

It may have been 1 week.

[Ruien]

It was the Miz and Alex Riley's storyline mashed into 1 month.

[erickman]

Looking at the roster on wwe dot com and honestly they still probably need to trim another 25-30 wrestlers, roster is still 'too big'...aew also needs to trim their roster as well

yeah i am betting half of the people who signed before the 1st aew show will not be resigned when there contracts come up this and next year.

[Danny Electric]

They are meant to be having Gargano and O’Reilly wrestle dark matches for Smackdown. With their contracts running out soon and what has happened to Kross and Lee today and various others before there must be little incentive on them signing a new contract with limited job security.

[Ruien]

A paycheck?

[Danny Electric]

A paycheck?

There is that yes but they would be two people you could see at AEW after their contracts run out.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Probably the best take I've seen on the WWE releases tbh <a href="https://t.co/oFzxUUhk6E">pic.twitter.com/oFzxUUhk6E</a></p>&mdash; Alex Morrison (@Alex_m197) <a href="https://twitter.com/Alex_m197/status/1456425864128778245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

That's all well and fine but I feel it completely misses something important: Eva has no talent other than standing around looking pretty. Without Doudrop carrying her in that scenario she would do nothing worthwhile in the ring. That only gets worse when Doudrop turns on her and she has no one to carry her. She isn't the worst on the mic ever, but she is still awful so I find it hard to think she would pull off making any of her promos believable. She would just be a female Sami Zayn with at best 1-2% of the talent he has to make it work.

They should have never brought her back in the first place.

Everything you said is what makes gertner's suggested angle work so well.

[Gerard]

contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.

And we all know wwe throws the term "independent contractor" about like it holds any weight, it's been a scam of theirs for years they've somehow been allowed to get away with. These days their contracts basically mean they own you yet they still claim performers are independent, the whole twitch channel thing said it all in that respect, wwe wanting a cut of something they shouldn't have been entitled to.

Sooner this gets taken to court and they lose big time the better.

[Destor]

theyre awful contracts. people shouldnt agree to them

[Gerard]

theyre awful contracts. people shouldnt agree to them

I want to see Vince geting fucked in court, badly. He would easily owe out tens if not hundreds of millions in all types of payments that employees are entitled to that wwe dodged over the decades.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Probably the best take I've seen on the WWE releases tbh <a href="https://t.co/oFzxUUhk6E">pic.twitter.com/oFzxUUhk6E</a></p>&mdash; Alex Morrison (@Alex_m197) <a href="https://twitter.com/Alex_m197/status/1456425864128778245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is not a good take, at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

theyre awful contracts. people shouldnt agree to them

Yeah, no one forces them to sign.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Izzy’s parent cheering on Lince Dorado’s release. Droford was right all along.

Fun follow up to this:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t worry fam, I see you. <a href="https://twitter.com/Cody_Starbuck?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Cody_Starbuck</a> soon. I’ll be at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/silverspursarena?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#silverspursarena</a> today at 4 after my competition. Come down and talk. We gonna talk or what? <a href="https://t.co/lal4T8xXDj">pic.twitter.com/lal4T8xXDj</a></p>&mdash; Lince Dorado (@LuchadorLD) <a href="https://twitter.com/LuchadorLD/status/1456941665520848896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDhqdlMXsAkeVBg?format=png&name=small

[GD]

Fun follow up to this:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t worry fam, I see you. <a href="https://twitter.com/Cody_Starbuck?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Cody_Starbuck</a> soon. I’ll be at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/silverspursarena?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#silverspursarena</a> today at 4 after my competition. Come down and talk. We gonna talk or what? <a href="https://t.co/lal4T8xXDj">pic.twitter.com/lal4T8xXDj</a></p>&mdash; Lince Dorado (@LuchadorLD) <a href="https://twitter.com/LuchadorLD/status/1456941665520848896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDhqdlMXsAkeVBg?format=png&name=small

We should've listened to Droford. He was right.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

theyre awful contracts. people shouldnt agree to them

I typically loathe how much Destor usually sides with employers. However, given how fucking stupid all modern wrestlers come across in interviews, I'm going to agree here. So many of these people are fucking vapid morons and when it comes down to it, why feel bad for them for taking a contract they knew was shit?

Every time I listen to any of them speak as a "shoot," I die a little bit inside. Used to love shoot interviews but maaaaan. So many wrestlers just suck and deserve their shit contracts.

[Destor]

its not employers i side with its individual accountability. these guys see a shit comtract and decide that the deal is better than their current circumstance. and perhaps thats completely true.

but when the agreement they freely chose to agree to is followed exactly to the letter they agreed to im supposed to what? pitty them? the deal was fine as long as it was favoring them.

say what you will about him but Kenny Omega was offered a contract by the wwf and he didnt like the terms so he didnt take it and forged another path. he chose to take a risk and be accountable to himself.

the workers who chose to take a more secure route do so by agreeing to terms that have their own risks. these are those risks. in either case you're beholden to your choices.

there are no good guys and bad guys in this as long as everyone honors their agreements and these terminations dont dishonor that agreement.

[Destor]

and if that contract was broken in any way they should seel legal council and get the justice theyre owed

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol I don't know if I've ever seen you side with an employee unless they've been fired over "woke" reasons.

Anyways, we can champion Kenny Omega for "forging his own path" but we don't know what advantages/privileges he was working with compared to other workers who might have no other option than to take the deal--could be a matter of putting food on the table for some folks.

I know it's a huge ask--but why not just treat people like people and not basically try to imprison them via contract because you have the power to and it helps your bottom line? I'd say it's the people who deserve our compassion and understanding, not the multi-billion-dollar, publicly-traded company owned by the Tony Soprano of pro wrestling.

That said, I think most wrestlers have the choice to do other things, and thus deserve some of the accountability. But these things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be.