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GD
11-20-2021, 06:23 PM
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RAW Women's Champion Becky Lynch vs Smackdown Women's Champion Charlotte Flair

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WWE Champion Big E vs Universal Champion Roman Reigns

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Men's Traditional Survivor Series Match
Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens, Austin Theory, Finn Balor, & Bobby Lashley vs Drew McIntyre, Jeff Hardy, King Woods, Sheamus, & Happy Corbin.

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Women's Traditional Survivor Series Match
Bianca Belair, Queen Zelina, Liv Morgan, Carmella, & WWE Women's Tag Team Champion Rhea Ripley vs Sasha Banks, Shayna Baszler, Shotzi, Natalya, & Toni Storm

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RAW Tag Team Champions RK'Bro vs Smackdown Tag Team Champions The Usos

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United States Champion Damien Priest vs Intercontinental Champion Shinsuke Nakamura

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25-Man Battle Royal

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V
11-20-2021, 08:26 PM
Haven't watched quite some time, it's pretty bad that I only recognize 6 wrestlers in a flagship ppv (Randy Orton, Bobby Lashley, Jeff Hardy, Charlotte Flair, Shaemus and Nakamura) considering how much I used to love this.

Hope the people who still watch are enjoying it. I miss the 2000s.

Sting Fan
11-20-2021, 08:47 PM
Hope Big E wins… beyond that there’s nothing on that card for me.

xrodmuc316
11-20-2021, 09:32 PM
Haven't watched quite some time, it's pretty bad that I only recognize 6 wrestlers in a flagship ppv (Randy Orton, Bobby Lashley, Jeff Hardy, Charlotte Flair, Shaemus and Nakamura) considering how much I used to love this.

Hope the people who still watch are enjoying it. I miss the 2000s.

How do you know Charlotte but not Becky Lynch?

Supreme Olajuwon
11-20-2021, 10:11 PM
So we’re just gonna ignore what the Viking Raiders are wearing in that photo

Supreme Olajuwon
11-20-2021, 10:19 PM
Ignoring that this PPV is meaningless with no stakes, this looks like a really fun card. Not a bad match to be found. Might have to check it out.

drave
11-21-2021, 10:12 AM
Woods had a great suggestion to make it meaningful:


Have the Survivor Series matches be for Rumble spots. It'd be SOMETHING.


This looks like an average weekly show to me, with the exception of Big E v Roman. Happy to have mobile games as this will put me to sleep.

Lock Jaw
11-21-2021, 11:13 AM
Seems like a great card to me, that would be tons of fun. Not gonna watch or anything, but yeah, seems fun.

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 11:26 AM
Best survivor series match ever was team Cena vs the authority. Stakes were so high, and it was booked to perfection.

Rammsteinmad
11-21-2021, 11:29 AM
Why do they always do "brand supremacy" PPV's so soon after drafts? I still don't even know who's on which brand. Back in '02/'03/'04 etc. you always knew because everything seemed so much more stable.

Mr. Nerfect
11-21-2021, 12:01 PM
It might be a sad state of affairs as to how wrestling’s changed, but there not being any sort of forced stakes makes this show more “fun” to me. I think it was Rebellion 2001 — but I was reading this thing about underrated PPVs, and they were talking about how at the time no one really cared about the UK PPVs, but because they didn’t really “matter,” they come off like house shows and are actually a lot of fun in retrospect.

Survivor Series isn’t about what modern fans want it to be about anymore. From
2016-2018 it had this string of really memorable Brock Lesnar work. And as much as I don’t care about brand supremacy, those matches are always rated highly and considered a fun 40 minutes or whatever they are.

Becky vs. Charlotte has an intrigue factor right now. RKBro vs. Usos should be a lot of fun. Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Damian Priest is actually one of the more curious things to me, because they’re both babyfaces.

And I think the reason they do this so soon after the draft is partially so the layperson can see which wrestlers are on each show now. Like it really matters. But I think that’s the psychology there.

slik
11-21-2021, 12:34 PM
Becky vs Charlotte should main-event since it's the only match on the show with any build, even if unintentional build.

DAMN iNATOR
11-21-2021, 03:43 PM
How do you know Charlotte but not Becky Lynch?

I also wondered this.

Lock Jaw
11-21-2021, 04:08 PM
Charlotte is a bigger name than Becky.

XL
11-21-2021, 04:27 PM
4 letters bigger in fact.

GD
11-21-2021, 04:35 PM
She also has ginormous titties.

Evil Vito
11-21-2021, 07:07 PM
The battle royal which was only announced two days ago got moved to the main card and is now being promoted as “The Rock’s 25th Anniversary Battle Royal”

So yeah, I’d guess he decided he can make an appearance

V
11-21-2021, 07:08 PM
pretty lame but it's literally only because of her last name that she is memorable to me in any way.

the only other recent female wrestlers I remember off the top of my head are Ronda Rousey (due to previous fame), Asuka (won the first rumble) and Paige (for the reasons you're thinking)

but like I said, I don't know many of the recent male wrestlers either

slik
11-21-2021, 07:21 PM
saw people tweeting the crowd was chanting AEW during kickoff

GD
11-21-2021, 07:39 PM
Why is this on the pre-show? Oh well :roll:

GD
11-21-2021, 07:44 PM
Way to sell you on a PPV with a disqualification in the Kickoff bout.

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 07:45 PM
How did Priest go from cool laid back dude hanging with Bad Bunny to loses his cool and rages?

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 07:47 PM
saw people tweeting the crowd was chanting AEW during kickoff

It was like 5 people, you could hear them.

GD
11-21-2021, 07:49 PM
lmao what was that?

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 07:50 PM
Why does Vince have that golden egg lol

Gerard
11-21-2021, 07:50 PM
Vince with the usual cringe backstage segment.

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 07:51 PM
OHHHH the egg from Rock's Netflix movie. Still pretty fucking weird Vince has it lol

Gerard
11-21-2021, 07:52 PM
It's gonna hatch with a midget golden gobbeldy gooker coming out of it.

Gerard
11-21-2021, 07:59 PM
Do they really have to do this "panel" crap like they think there's people outside of hill billy areas that think this shit is real these days?

slik
11-21-2021, 08:01 PM
well the e usually can do a good ppv just not tv show

slik
11-21-2021, 08:03 PM
wish ryan reynolds was wrestling (with a cape) on this show

slik
11-21-2021, 08:04 PM
feel like Rock will be here via Red Notice

GD
11-21-2021, 08:06 PM
The main event is on first :nono:

slik
11-21-2021, 08:06 PM
Becky vs Charlotte should main-event since it's the only match on the show with any build, even if unintentional build.

lol

slik
11-21-2021, 08:09 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Peacock must love this huge Netflix commercial <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurvivorSeries?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurvivorSeries</a></p>&mdash; Sean (@s1rude) <a href="https://twitter.com/s1rude/status/1462587410450112520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Destor
11-21-2021, 08:09 PM
Woods had a great suggestion to make it meaningful:


Have the Survivor Series matches be for Rumble spots. It'd be SOMETHING.


This looks like an average weekly show to me, with the exception of Big E v Roman. Happy to have mobile games as this will put me to sleep.
having the SS matches be for rumble spots would a terrible idea. the losers wouldnt be in the rumble...so what? you book 5 guys you want to use or you take 5 guys youd like to use but now cant? its never good to book restrictions.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 08:12 PM
watching I guess...

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 08:13 PM
Becky looking straight fire :drool::drool::drool:

Gerard
11-21-2021, 08:14 PM
Can someone tell the ginger twat that halloween was a few weeks ago, the fucks that bitch wearing.:wtf:

GD
11-21-2021, 08:14 PM
Becky Lynch's interesting wardrobe choice

slik
11-21-2021, 08:14 PM
Becky looks good tonight

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 08:15 PM
Can someone tell the ginger twat that halloween was a few weeks ago, the fucks that bitch wearing.:wtf:

Yeah, lets be mad at her showing off her ass :rant:

Gerard
11-21-2021, 08:15 PM
Becky looks good tonight

If you're into pvc fetish I guess..

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 08:21 PM
El idolooooooo

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 08:33 PM
That felt really weird. Like they didn't sell at all that they were just in a match.

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 08:34 PM
That felt really weird. Like they didn't sell at all that they were just in a match.

Charlotte doesnt sell for anybody.

Gerard
11-21-2021, 08:35 PM
"Big time bex" is essentially a Conor McGregor clone at this point. Quality creative. :nono:

slik
11-21-2021, 08:35 PM
interesting finish

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 08:42 PM
Charlotte doesnt sell for anybody.

Neither did Becky. Bell rang and she went right into pacing around gloating, like she didn't just take the lions share of punishment in the match.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 08:43 PM
20 mins of entrances

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 08:43 PM
Weird fat chick's dancing to Kevin Owen's theme.

slik
11-21-2021, 08:47 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My God, no way the match lasts as long as these entrances. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurvivorSeries?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurvivorSeries</a></p>&mdash; Lance Storm (@LanceStorm) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceStorm/status/1462598206856970244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Triple A
11-21-2021, 08:48 PM
20 mins of entrances

like literally 20 mins

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 08:50 PM
Nice.

Gerard
11-21-2021, 08:51 PM
Oh so owens is a "bad guy' again? News to me.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:03 PM
Feel like they're still piping in crowd noise... sounds fake

slik
11-21-2021, 09:06 PM
weird at drew being counted out, he needed to be the sole survivor

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:10 PM
Trying to not be so negative but feels extremely hard to care about this match/show...

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:11 PM
Crowd seems so dead...

Gerard
11-21-2021, 09:13 PM
Bed time and a power wank, more entertaining than this shit.:naughty:

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 09:19 PM
Good finishing sequence.

slik
11-21-2021, 09:19 PM
guess jeff hardy is roman's next feud

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:21 PM
McAfee annoying me... sounds like he can't breathe from excitement nonstop, even when nothing interesting is happening... comes off so forced

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:22 PM
insane urge to turn this off @ Booker T commercial... wanted to "give this show a chance" but just making me feel pissed off

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:23 PM
jesus @ McMahon forcing a bunch of wrestlers to jump for joy in excitement at his presence...

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:24 PM
god

slik
11-21-2021, 09:28 PM
battle royal named after da rock

Triple A
11-21-2021, 09:33 PM
enjoying this battle royal so far...

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 09:44 PM
Damn. Should have had ricochet do something cool to win

CripplerCrossface
11-21-2021, 09:45 PM
Imagine paying money to watch this...

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 09:45 PM
What is with all the pizza? Thought this was supposed to be about the rock.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:01 PM
I'm still watching I guess....... any1 watching

The Usos the most boring team..........

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:06 PM
why is this match so long 😭

15 mins of The Usos doing rest holds on Riddle

why am I watching this... causing me pain

slik
11-21-2021, 10:08 PM
Orton with a good ending to the match

rest of the match was boring to me

GD
11-21-2021, 10:08 PM
Usos are definitely not boring. Orton with a quality RKO at the end.

GD
11-21-2021, 10:08 PM
Jimmy Smith called it a “belt” :eek:

slik
11-21-2021, 10:09 PM
I feel such a disconnect w WWE...maybe Rock showing up later will invigorate things, idk

slik
11-21-2021, 10:11 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/BeckyLynchWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BeckyLynchWWE</a> shares a conflicted set of emotions after her showdown with <a href="https://twitter.com/MsCharlotteWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MsCharlotteWWE</a> at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurvivorSeries?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurvivorSeries</a>. <a href="https://t.co/03NMS6s0hy">pic.twitter.com/03NMS6s0hy</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1462613690503647235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik
11-21-2021, 10:12 PM
find my egg...

CripplerCrossface
11-21-2021, 10:13 PM
This is egglecent storytelling... I can't wait to see what happens next

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:14 PM
Once again, WWE relegated it's best interviews to .com features.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:15 PM
how many weeks does Xia Li get before she's barely ever used or turned into a jobber

over/under 2 weeks

GD
11-21-2021, 10:15 PM
I am all aboard the Xia Li train. That was a quality promo.

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:16 PM
Oh god, what?

Xia Li's new gimmick is she had a shitty landlord?

What?

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:18 PM
Carmella cut up becky' s outfit to make her own.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:18 PM
egg storyline is the most interesting storyline I've seen in WWE in like 2 years

slik
11-21-2021, 10:19 PM
I bet this match is under 10 minutes long

slik
11-21-2021, 10:19 PM
how many weeks does Xia Li get before she's barely ever used or turned into a jobber

over/under 2 weeks

5 weeks

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:21 PM
Shotzi really hot

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:22 PM
Was about to maybe stop watching

But Toni storm...

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:23 PM
Can't imagine sitting in the crowd holding some 8x10 pre-made sign handed out by wwe

Bleak

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:25 PM
don't edit my posts slik you fucker . . . . .. .

slik
11-21-2021, 10:27 PM
feel cyber bullied by triple a r/n

slik
11-21-2021, 10:29 PM
this match is too long

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:29 PM
If they have any clue, they'll have Toni storm eliminate the whole raw team.

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:30 PM
And then challenge the smackdown team and eliminate all them

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:33 PM
crowd finally comes alive for the wave

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:33 PM
fucking green shirt guy front row center again

Does anyone know what "his deal" is... front row center at AEW shows too somehow

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:35 PM
lol how did that knock Natalya off the apron? Wasn't even near her

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:35 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He has friends in high places and only one shirt. <a href="https://t.co/rZCnydz8db">https://t.co/rZCnydz8db</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/878623107824537600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:37 PM
lol everyone taking a nap outside after taking one move

GD
11-21-2021, 10:37 PM
Did they just drown out CM Punk chants?

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:38 PM
That was fucking sick!

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:38 PM
Did they just drown out CM Punk chants?

lol yes

slik
11-21-2021, 10:38 PM
CM Punk chants

Fignuts
11-21-2021, 10:38 PM
0/10

Worst survivor series ever

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:39 PM
Really wonder why they hate Toni Storm... feel like she could be a superstar but they seem to purposefully bury her

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 10:44 PM
LOL how was that a countout? Not only did she break the count twice, she was in the ring at 9!

xrodmuc316
11-21-2021, 10:47 PM
0/10

Worst survivor series ever

Orton's RKO alone has to earn it at least a 1/10

slik
11-21-2021, 10:50 PM
LOL how was that a countout? Not only did she break the count twice, she was in the ring at 9!

I was thinking the same thing

crowd seemed only interested in bianca and sasha during that

slik
11-21-2021, 10:50 PM
love paul heyman

slik
11-21-2021, 10:53 PM
Imagine the start of a Rock/Roman feud being over a fake egg from a movie

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:54 PM
Raw with 5 wins, SmackDown with 1 so far... only SmackDown win was Nakamura winning by DQ on the kickoff show

slik
11-21-2021, 10:55 PM
feel like most of the booking tonight is to make wrestlers look strong but also simultaneously look not strong enough

a sure-fire way to get talent over

Triple A
11-21-2021, 10:55 PM
why are they airing like 10 mins of commercials and video packages... wish this PPV would have ended by 11

slik
11-21-2021, 10:57 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can't wait til tomorroe to see the reports of Fox executives being upset that the blue brand has been destroyed by Raw tonight. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurvivorSeries?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurvivorSeries</a></p>&mdash; Blake Oestriecher (@BOestriecher) <a href="https://twitter.com/BOestriecher/status/1462630027019886593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sepholio
11-21-2021, 11:00 PM
Why do I feel like they just took 15 minutes to gimmick the ring somehow...

GD
11-21-2021, 11:03 PM
The fake crowd reaction is incredibly annoying. Don't know how y'all deal with it.

slik
11-21-2021, 11:03 PM
Why have their been like 10-15 min breaks between matches

Triple A
11-21-2021, 11:04 PM
feel like the last match ended a half hour ago

Sepholio
11-21-2021, 11:04 PM
Do you ever breathe man good god

Triple A
11-21-2021, 11:06 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">107 minutes of wrestling on a show that’s been on the air for 186 minutes. So 79 minutes of videos and entrances.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1462633463391997960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD
11-21-2021, 11:07 PM
horny...

Triple A
11-21-2021, 11:08 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heyman was with Braxton. Said he didn't know who stole Cleopatra's leg.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1462629617966059528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD
11-21-2021, 11:14 PM
Do you ever breathe man good god

Not gonna lie...I've had my fill of Pat McAfee tonight and then some.

Sepholio
11-21-2021, 11:15 PM
Not gonna lie...I've had my fill of Pat McAfee tonight and then some.

I know what you mean. That line was so beautiful and perfectly encapsulated the combined sentiments of the entire universe.

Sepholio
11-21-2021, 11:18 PM
You know he may not be the tallest guy but I seriously think Big E is the most physically imposing guy in a really long time. He is just built different. He looks scary. I wouldn't ever wanna get on his bad side.

slik
11-21-2021, 11:18 PM
they haven't once said trending worldwide all night since it's not the top trend and hasn't been all night, was not in the top 10 trends for a while into the show either

GD
11-21-2021, 11:22 PM
Big E has a death wish with his version of the suicide dive.

GD
11-21-2021, 11:26 PM
This might be the longest Big E match I've ever seen.

slik
11-21-2021, 11:27 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the constant promoting of The Rock took the crowd out of this main event. It feels like they’re waiting for it to be over so they can finally see him</p>&mdash; Andrew Thompson (@ADThompson__) <a href="https://twitter.com/ADThompson__/status/1462637773240868866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik
11-21-2021, 11:27 PM
Big E is a genuinely likable person and someone you want to root for to succeed in wrestling

GD
11-21-2021, 11:28 PM
Wasn't expecting Roman to pin Big E clean. Wow!

GD
11-21-2021, 11:30 PM
OMG! It's The Rock :eek: Holy shit!

Sepholio
11-21-2021, 11:31 PM
Big E is the winner in my heart.

slik
11-21-2021, 11:31 PM
They really teased The Rock showing up all night for nothing, yikes

Sepholio
11-21-2021, 11:31 PM
IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLALALALALALALA

GD
11-21-2021, 11:31 PM
No fucking way! Only WWE would align someone like The Rock with the heel champion. What a terrible booking decision :nono:

GD
11-21-2021, 11:32 PM
Can't believe they had The Rock come back and turn heel in an instant. What the hell WWE?

slik
11-21-2021, 11:34 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rock didnt even have a recorded promo or anything LOL<br><br>WWE been twerking for him for weeks just for a quote tweet ������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurvivorSeries?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurvivorSeries</a></p>&mdash; WrestlePurists (@WrestlePurists) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlePurists/status/1462640293065416705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD
11-21-2021, 11:34 PM
Is anybody else weirded out by The Rock's facial hair? A very odd decision indeed.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 11:36 PM
honestly a horrible show

Triple A
11-21-2021, 11:37 PM
They made a Brooklyn crowd sound like [one of those towns with an insanely quiet crowd]

GD
11-21-2021, 11:37 PM
They made The Rock look like a jabroni.

Triple A
11-21-2021, 11:38 PM
7 meaningless matches needlessly stretched to 4.5 hours

Bad News Gertner
11-21-2021, 11:58 PM
Another home run for the WWE!

8/10 , which beats Full Gear which recieved a 4.5/10

If ya smell what the Rock is cooking!

slik
11-21-2021, 11:58 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yo how did this knock Natalya off the apron, I am deceased ������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SurvivorSeries?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SurvivorSeries</a> <a href="https://t.co/GxqmsrkYPl">pic.twitter.com/GxqmsrkYPl</a></p>&mdash; X (@KnowTheX) <a href="https://twitter.com/KnowTheX/status/1462626064551727105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik
11-22-2021, 12:17 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IMPACT Wrestling got the Rock to do more at Bound For Glory 2020 than WWE did for his 25th Anniversary at Survivor Series</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1462639644969947137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD
11-22-2021, 12:21 AM
Guys, this was pretty intense.

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xrodmuc316
11-22-2021, 12:29 AM
I honestly didnt think the PPV was bad itself, but it had such a lack of a any kind of build. It was just there. There was literally nothing there. It had some good matches if it was just a random exhibition show.

That said, it is not a random show. It is their second longest running show, and even though it has been the number 4 of the big 4 for 30 years.

It has become what they mostly do, just coasting. I remember distinctly remembering in the aftermath of their new TV deals, which were announced a solid 15 months before they would actually kick in, that WWE really started coasting. At the time it was almost positioned as "well they are kind of holding back until the new deals" mentality.

Hindsight though, it wasnt them holding back, once they got those deals, they really didnt care to try and get better to make more money, they were going to do JUST enough to keep chugging out content.

They give us one, maybe two new pushes per year. Everybody else is completely stagnant. That is what Survivor Series felt like today, the presentation was good, the matches were good, but nothing new was created or setup tonight, nor was anything concluded. Its just what they do now.

xrodmuc316
11-22-2021, 12:32 AM
And that is not bashing, that is basically what every episode of Dynamite is. Just randomly putting wrestler A and wrestler B together to have a "good match" with no real storyline advancement.

Damian Rey 2.0
11-22-2021, 12:43 AM
Becky with a fire babyface promo. Somebody please explain why she’s heel.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 02:58 AM
Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.

CripplerCrossface
11-22-2021, 04:22 AM
And that is not bashing, that is basically what every episode of Dynamite is. Just randomly putting wrestler A and wrestler B together to have a "good match" with no real storyline advancement.

I've heard that Tony K's creative involves putting every wrestlers name in a hat, & wrestlers randomly draw the name of their opponent. This is why AEW SUCKS and is a far inferior product to WWE :y: I'm glad you snuck this post in after not-bashing the PPV

CripplerCrossface
11-22-2021, 04:23 AM
Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.

Yeah people who spend time crafting long posts on wrestling forums (i.e. the IWC) are the worst :fu:

Sting Fan
11-22-2021, 05:21 AM
I've heard that Tony K's creative involves putting every wrestlers name in a hat, & wrestlers randomly draw the name of their opponent. This is why AEW SUCKS and is a far inferior product to WWE :y: I'm glad you snuck this post in after not-bashing the PPV

In his defence he’s right, a random episode of Dynamite is about as good as Survivor series.

Also Rock didn’t appear did he?

drave
11-22-2021, 08:34 AM
how many weeks does Xia Li get before she's barely ever used or turned into a jobber

over/under 2 weeks


I feel like this is people being "WWE'd" since this is the expectation now.


Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.




He didn't make any appearances in any way, whatsoever.

#1-norm-fan
11-22-2021, 09:05 AM
Oh shit. Is CripplerCrossface ACTUALLY CripplerCrossface???

GD
11-22-2021, 09:11 AM
Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.

This is beautiful.

drave
11-22-2021, 09:15 AM
I didn't really watch, but it was on for my mother-in-law. I played phone games the entire time.


What a disappointment to play on The Rock so much and then not deliver.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 11:31 AM
He didn't make any appearances in any way, whatsoever.

So what are people flipping out for? He wasn’t advertised for the show. It’d be insane to not promote 25 years of him being associated with the WWF/E in association with this show.

drave
11-22-2021, 11:38 AM
They HEAVILY teased at him making an appearance, at the very least. The same way they always tease stuff, with HEAVY foreshadowing, etc. To boot, VKM himself was involved in "the skits". They were making a very big deal about the entire segment throughout the night, literally for naught.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 11:41 AM
It was 25 years since The Rock debuted. They did a Battle Royal dedicated to him and probably showed a bit of footage. I don’t know what people expected. I mean, I COULD have seen a video promo, but eh. Everyone knows he’s not going to come in and risk injury when it comes to film schedule by now.

#1-norm-fan
11-22-2021, 11:42 AM
Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.

Only Noid would make up a scenario that didn’t happen and complain about it.

drave
11-22-2021, 11:43 AM
If you actually watched it, you'd understand. I get the 25 year thing, but it could have simply been on RAW, or you know, the show they named after him.....


But instead, they teased for 3.5 hours at a possibility of him even being on-screen. It is easy to see why people feel misled.


Buuuuuuuuuut, you didn't watch it and believed a post here that he showed up, so why am I even bothering.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 11:53 AM
Only Noid would make up a scenario that didn’t happen and complain about it.

I’m responding to poorly phrased posts on here acting like The Rock was coming back, apologist. Blame the poor quality of TPWW. I didn’t even watch the show and would have placed money on him not coming back. :roll:

GD
11-22-2021, 11:57 AM
This is precious. I’m just happy that Noid reads my posts and pretends that he doesn’t.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 11:58 AM
If you actually watched it, you'd understand. I get the 25 year thing, but it could have simply been on RAW, or you know, the show they named after him.....


But instead, they teased for 3.5 hours at a possibility of him even being on-screen. It is easy to see why people feel misled.


Buuuuuuuuuut, you didn't watch it and believed a post here that he showed up, so why am I even bothering.

He debuted at the Survivor Series. They’re going to make a big deal about it being 25 years of Rock since the 1996 Survivor Series. It can help generate some interest for their catalogue. Omos won a Battle Royal alluding to him to try and help him get more over. I honestly don’t see the problem with any of t.

Of course I didn’t watch it. I don’t think I’ve watched a WWE PPV in full for years. Why would I waste time and money on that? But there are reasonable criticisms and insane criticisms. Anyone expecting The Rock to come back and set up something with Roman Reigns was always kidding themselves.

It’s easier to be misled by people making Rock references at the end of a show and then complaining then it was into thinking Rock is actually going to come back. This really is ludicrous.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 12:12 PM
The Vince McMahon egg storyline is brilliant. Got so many people talking. And apparently it made them a massive payday from Netflix. As Vince McMahon strengthens his relationship with the largest streaming service in the world.

#1-norm-fan
11-22-2021, 12:14 PM
I’m responding to poorly phrased posts on here acting like The Rock was coming back, apologist. Blame the poor quality of TPWW. I didn’t even watch the show and would have placed money on him not coming back. :roll:

You would have bet money on him not coming back until you fell for some “poorly phrased” comments from some poor quality posters on a poor quality forum, believed he returned, and decided to shit on the IWC’s reaction to it.

Incredible.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 12:21 PM
You would have bet money on him not coming back until you fell for some “poorly phrased” comments from some poor quality posters on a poor quality forum, believed he returned, and decided to shit on the IWC’s reaction to it.

Incredible.

Why wouldn’t you expect that from TPWW at this point? When you’re not watching the show and see people going “IFYASMELLALALALALA” and then talking about how the WWE promoted The Rock only for it to be completely disappointing, it’s way easier to be misled into thinking he just came back and clapped for Roman like he did at the Royal Rumble in 2015.

Yes, I’d totally believe TPWW shitting all over a Rock return before I’d believe The Rock actually returned, lol. That’s how nuts this place is.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 12:24 PM
Occasionally you get some great insight from Destor and Gertner, some fun WCW Deep Cut tweets and tidbits from Gerty, and some reasonable points from xrod, but this place is devoid of anything else nutritious.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 12:29 PM
Egg on my face, I didn’t even watch the show. :lol:

Oh wait…

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 12:36 PM
Lol at Bryan Alvarez complaining about 107 minutes of wrestling on a single show. That’s almost definitely way too much. A big problem with modern products is that there is too much of the same thing and over and over again. It’s a white noise problem.

It’s like his weird complaint about rematches. Everyone works the same in most promotions. So who gives a fuck if Wrestler A is working Wrestler C or Wrestler B again?

Damian Rey 2.0
11-22-2021, 02:56 PM
Noid: lol you guys complain even when getting the rock back!

*finds out the rock didn’t show up, outing himself as an idiot who decided to make a matter of fact statement without bother to reading the results *

Also noid: haha you see i knew he wouldn’t be there but because i was responding to a poorly written post, it LOOKS like I was saying he came back but really I was saying something completely different.

Brilliant series of responses from the guy who clearly didn’t even read results before shooting off nonsense.

slik
11-22-2021, 03:06 PM
If you tease it enough the live crowd is under the impression he's appearing (WWE's not particularly subtle) and begin chanting his name during the main-event, and then the live crowd boos when the show goes off the air and he doesn't appear, I mean...

slik
11-22-2021, 03:07 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 200 level is the upper deck. There were a lot of seats facing hard cam left available, so should this be confirmed (I expect it to be), it would mean they're filling that side for TV presentation. Pretty wild coming off a PPV in No. 1 market. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a></p>&mdash; Jon Alba (@JonAlba) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonAlba/status/1462874697847255046?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD
11-22-2021, 03:13 PM
Noid: lol you guys complain even when getting the rock back!

*finds out the rock didn’t show up, outing himself as an idiot who decided to make a matter of fact statement without bother to reading the results *

Also noid: haha you see i knew he wouldn’t be there but because i was responding to a poorly written post, it LOOKS like I was saying he came back but really I was saying something completely different.

Brilliant series of responses from the guy who clearly didn’t even read results before shooting off nonsense.

Why would you entertain a person's opinion if they've not even seen a single PPV in ages?

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 03:54 PM
If you tease it enough the live crowd is under the impression he's appearing (WWE's not particularly subtle) and begin chanting his name during the main-event, and then the live crowd boos when the show goes off the air and he doesn't appear, I mean...

I’m not trying to insult modern wrestling audiences, but…

Roman Reigns is part of the family. People have been speculating about The Rock coming back at Survivor Series for the longest time. The reason it can’t happen is because The Rock hurting himself during a wrestling match is going to delay filming and cost production companies millions upon millions of dollars. I don’t know how else to explain it to people. But there are still people who are CONVINCED this whole Roman story is supposed to lead to a match with Rock down the line.

It doesn’t surprise me fans in the crowd were going for it. Nor does it surprise me that TPWW was going for it. I don’t know what you want from this company when it comes to highlighting The Rock and special events and simultaneously promoting Roman Reigns in the best light possible. Not highlighting Rock is insane. Backing away from this Roman story is insane.

People just want to bash this company. And I get that — I was there for many years (and called out for it because I didn’t get it and just wanted to ruin people’s fun apparently…my, how things change). But saying “Hey, did you know The Rock debuted with us 25 years ago, here’s a match in his honor, here are some clips” is promising people a return. It’s not like Roman Reigns called out any member of his family to dare step out of line at Survivor Series and they went out of their way to downplay Rock’s history there to imply it would be him, did they?

This is just like people finding whatever reason they can to shit over WWE for signing talent, for firing talent, for wanting to increase their profit margin as a publicly traded business. There are legitimate things to pick apart, but The Rock not being there when they never said he would be is just being silly and destructive because you want to be.

Did WWE actually imply that The Rock was going to be at Survivor Series? Especially considering they are “not subtle?”

ron the dial
11-22-2021, 04:03 PM
Nor does it surprise me that TPWW was going for it.
bitch you went for it based on tpww. how fucking dumb are you?

GD
11-22-2021, 04:08 PM
OMG! It's The Rock :eek: Holy shit!

No fucking way! Only WWE would align someone like The Rock with the heel champion. What a terrible booking decision :nono:

Can't believe they had The Rock come back and turn heel in an instant. What the hell WWE?

Is anybody else weirded out by The Rock's facial hair? A very odd decision indeed.

I'm so glad that I made these throwaway posts.

slik
11-22-2021, 04:21 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> is in the Ruthless Depression era <a href="https://twitter.com/GlennRubenstein?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GlennRubenstein</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinLaBar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JustinLaBar</a></p>&mdash; Alfred Konuwa (@ThisIsNasty) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1462843323060830209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 04:25 PM
bitch you went for it based on tpww. how fucking dumb are you?

Yeah, because I’m not wasting my time on the show. I got wrong information from the deadest forum in the IWC. Whoops, shame on me. :lol:

It’s not like this place wouldn’t complain if The Rock came back either. So I’m not feeling any sort of shame or regret for assuming that TPWW is the embarrassment here. Soz, bitch.

ron the dial
11-22-2021, 04:27 PM
I got wrong information from the deadest forum in the IWC.
doing this and then glossing over it like "nbd, boys!" is what makes you an idiot.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 04:29 PM
doing this and then glossing over it like "nbd, boys!" is what makes you an idiot.

Dude, it’s not like I was even like “zomg! the Rock is back!!!” I saw people whinging on here and thought “lol, typical.” I’m so disengaged with this shit that I didn’t even check the highlights and I doubt The Rock could make me (not that it’s his fault).

It was bemusement at this place, and yes, that does say way more about you than it does about me. ;)

GD
11-22-2021, 04:34 PM
Yeah, because I’m not wasting my time on the show. I got wrong information from the deadest forum in the IWC. Whoops, shame on me. :lol:

It’s not like this place wouldn’t complain if The Rock came back either. So I’m not feeling any sort of shame or regret for assuming that TPWW is the embarrassment here. Soz, bitch.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Gentlemen, we are dealing with someone here who... has absolutely NO LIFE.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WoW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WoW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthPark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SouthPark</a> <a href="http://t.co/UWXFSGCWDA">pic.twitter.com/UWXFSGCWDA</a></p>&mdash; South Park (@SouthPark) <a href="https://twitter.com/SouthPark/status/623979500976472064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 04:35 PM
And only on TPWW can you have people blast an entire show and then try to make you look like an idiot for not watching it because you didn’t think you’d enjoy it. :lol:

It was probably better than Full Gear, but wrestling has done so much to numb my interest that I’m going to take some accounts of events second-hand. I’m not a fucking journalist, cunts. I like talking shit about something I used to enjoy on the internet.

And those desperate enough to try and catch me in some “Gotcha!” can keep kicking that stone uphill.

GD
11-22-2021, 04:38 PM
Whoa! Got a neg rep from Mr. Nerfect

slik
11-22-2021, 04:38 PM
I’m so disengaged with this shit

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/emojipedia/132/face-with-uneven-eyes-and-wavy-mouth_1f974.png

https://i.postimg.cc/SNX9MZxP/Screenshot-2021-11-22-3-32-29-PM.png

https://i.postimg.cc/nVS7M8p7/Screenshot-2021-11-22-3-32-47-PM.png

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 04:41 PM
Actually, it’s a large part of the entire IWC. I used to hate that term, because it seemed generalizing and reductive, but it does seem to be more and more appropriate. There’s this hive mentality towards certain things. “Fed=Bad” for example.

Mr. Nerfect
11-22-2021, 04:44 PM
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/emojipedia/132/face-with-uneven-eyes-and-wavy-mouth_1f974.png

https://i.postimg.cc/SNX9MZxP/Screenshot-2021-11-22-3-32-29-PM.png

https://i.postimg.cc/nVS7M8p7/Screenshot-2021-11-22-3-32-47-PM.png

So? How much of those posts are me saying shit like “Fuck this sucks” and responding to apologists like #fan? I still make an effort to post here, but I think anyone sincere would see how my optimism for wrestling has fucking died, clearly I don’t follow the product like I used to and that for a dude who would have posted the most once upon a time (most likely), I’ve scaled way the fuck back.

Turns out everyone else has too. :lol:

GD
11-22-2021, 04:53 PM
Go read books, Slik. Let the man rant away like a miserable fuck.

Fignuts
11-22-2021, 05:47 PM
It was probably better than Full Gear

It wasn't.

Lock Jaw
11-22-2021, 05:59 PM
Feel like that's probably a subjective thing

Fignuts
11-22-2021, 06:10 PM
Nope.

Fignuts
11-22-2021, 06:12 PM
SS had potential to be better, which is why I ordered it.

But it wasn't.

GD
11-22-2021, 06:13 PM
Feel like that's probably a subjective thing

You have to actually watch them first :o

Blonde Moment
11-22-2021, 06:23 PM
The internet killed wrestling.
Want to enjoy it? Either go back in time or just don't have anything to do with wrestling online

GD
11-22-2021, 06:32 PM
Did you guys check out Becky's post match promo? That was pretty good.

#1-norm-fan
11-22-2021, 06:37 PM
Man, there’s a lot of Noid backtracking to sift through on this page...

slik
11-22-2021, 06:43 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thought about this a bit today. <a href="https://t.co/kNZBiy8hxf">pic.twitter.com/kNZBiy8hxf</a></p>&mdash; Lance Storm (@LanceStorm) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceStorm/status/1462908936844050432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#1-norm-fan
11-22-2021, 06:47 PM
I’m so disengaged with this shit


https://i.postimg.cc/nVS7M8p7/Screenshot-2021-11-22-3-32-47-PM.png

So? How much of those posts are me saying shit like “Fuck this sucks” and responding to apologists like #fan? I still make an effort to post here, but I think anyone sincere would see how my optimism for wrestling has fucking died, clearly I don’t follow the product like I used to and that for a dude who would have posted the most once upon a time (most likely), I’ve scaled way the fuck back.

Congrats on scaling back to only about 150% the posts of anyone else about a product you’re proudly disengaged with!

slik
11-22-2021, 06:48 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Egg thing and Netflix movie promotion really highlights how WWE’s business isn’t pro wrestling, it’s selling itself to other businesses. Anything that satisfies fans is secondary to business-to-business income.</p>&mdash; Will! (@itswilltime) <a href="https://twitter.com/itswilltime/status/1462928352868646913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Evil Vito
11-22-2021, 06:48 PM
Fan making an even stronger push for my KOTF vote

Sting Fan
11-22-2021, 06:53 PM
Congrats on scaling back to only about 150% the posts of anyone else about a product you’re proudly disengaged with!

In his defence an engaged Noid probably writes a dissertation about the pathway to Marko Stunt main eventing Wrestlemania after winning the IWGP title.

This ain’t even close to the darkest timeline.

CripplerCrossface
11-22-2021, 08:20 PM
Oh shit. Is CripplerCrossface ACTUALLY CripplerCrossface???

Actually. I did a rough calc... I was 15 or 16 when I first jumped on here so that would make 21 or so years of being on the forum (as a "guest" for most of those). Like everyone else, absolutely love wrestling and have hung around to see it return to its heights. As main roster WWE declines, pre-USA network NXT, pre-covid NJPW and now AEW have kept me interested. I catch the occasional WWE PPV (always watch Wrestlemania & Summerslam) but I find myself getting so frustrated at how bad it's gotten.

As for the TPWW forum, what's with these *few* guys ruining the community for everyone? How sad must your life be to spend HOURS writing long posts, that people skip over, arguing with people over semantics, defending a wrestling promotion you dislike, disparaging an emerging wrestling promotion bringing healthy competition with a focus on actual wrestling, all the while not even bothering to watch... Can we move on and enjoy wrestling again?

slik
11-22-2021, 09:58 PM
Well said CC

#1-norm-fan
11-22-2021, 10:12 PM
CripplerCrossface is a true TPWW original. Remember him from the 90s. His full-time return would be wonderful.

XL
11-23-2021, 03:28 AM
Oh Noid.

The Fraze
11-23-2021, 04:17 AM
Didn't read through the thread, just here to say that Becky vs. Charlotte was sick and the only part of the show I watched. Wish it meant something.

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 04:37 AM
Congrats on scaling back to only about 150% the posts of anyone else about a product you’re proudly disengaged with!

There’s no content here. Come up with something better.

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 04:45 AM
Actually. I did a rough calc... I was 15 or 16 when I first jumped on here so that would make 21 or so years of being on the forum (as a "guest" for most of those). Like everyone else, absolutely love wrestling and have hung around to see it return to its heights. As main roster WWE declines, pre-USA network NXT, pre-covid NJPW and now AEW have kept me interested. I catch the occasional WWE PPV (always watch Wrestlemania & Summerslam) but I find myself getting so frustrated at how bad it's gotten.

As for the TPWW forum, what's with these *few* guys ruining the community for everyone? How sad must your life be to spend HOURS writing long posts, that people skip over, arguing with people over semantics, defending a wrestling promotion you dislike, disparaging an emerging wrestling promotion bringing healthy competition with a focus on actual wrestling, all the while not even bothering to watch... Can we move on and enjoy wrestling again?

No one is enjoying wrestling because it’s not real good. There are reasons for this. I love discussing it, and I’m not going to be shamed into feeling bad about my hobbies. I’ll call out AEW for being horrible and bad arguments against WWE.

CripplerCrossface
11-23-2021, 05:00 AM
No one is enjoying wrestling because it’s not real good. There are reasons for this. I love discussing it, and I’m not going to be shamed into feeling bad about my hobbies. I’ll call out AEW for being horrible and bad arguments against WWE.

Um hi. I didn't mention you? But you must have identified with my description.

You lost me at "no one is enjoying wrestling" because I'm high as hell on some of stuff out there, as I'm sure many are. Just because you're clearly a miserable person doesn't mean that we all are?

CripplerCrossface
11-23-2021, 05:01 AM
CripplerCrossface is a true TPWW original. Remember him from the 90s. His full-time return would be wonderful.

Feeling the love! I'm at home with a newborn and I'm terrible at breastfeeding, so I have a little time on my hands.

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 05:11 AM
Um hi. I didn't mention you? But you must have identified with my description.

You lost me at "no one is enjoying wrestling" because I'm high as hell on some of stuff out there, as I'm sure many are. Just because you're clearly a miserable person doesn't mean that we all are?

I thought you may have been talking about #1-wwf-fan, but most things are aimed at me around here, so I volleyed back, because I do can identify with a lot of those things. It wasn’t exactly cryptic, although it was passive aggressive as fuck. I just don’t think there’s anything wrong with being disappointed with modern wrestling, and I’m not going to censor my (well formed) opinions.

Also, not enjoying current wrestling doesn’t mean you are miserable. Why do people on the internet always feel the need to project moods onto people. There’s lots to be joyful about in life — it doesn’t mean you have to walk around with a fake-ass smile on your face when it comes to the content being put out there in this particular genre. And just as sure as not enjoying something doesn’t make you miserable, enjoying something doesn’t mean you’re not miserable.

#1-norm-fan
11-23-2021, 12:58 PM
Congrats on scaling back to only about 150% the posts of anyone else about a product you’re proudly disengaged with!

There’s no content here. Come up with something better.

Lol You love just saying meaningless shit in a smug manner because you think the smugness hides the lack of an actual response somehow.

Imagine how much less embarrassing these last two pages could have been for you if you just nipped it in the bud early with an “Oops. I misinterpreted some posts and thought The Rock came back. My mistake.”

I mean... you’d still have been ragged on a bit because people don’t like you but it wouldn’t look nearly as bad as this hole you’ve dug while trying to backtrack and deflect blame for your mistake.

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 01:42 PM
Lol You love just saying meaningless shit in a smug manner because you think the smugness hides the lack of an actual response somehow.

Imagine how much less embarrassing these last two pages could have been for you if you just nipped it in the bud early with an “Oops. I misinterpreted some posts and thought The Rock came back. My mistake.”

I mean... you’d still have been ragged on a bit because people don’t like you but it wouldn’t look nearly as bad as this hole you’ve dug while trying to backtrack and deflect blame for your mistake.

You really like to try and hammer this smug thing in. It doesn’t really work. You’ve really slipped since I called you on that vacuous statement you made. It scrambled your while being up, it seems.

Lol, I’m not embarrassed. You haven’t even interpreted the situation right. I didn’t *think* The Rock came back. I read that he had, made a flippant statement about the internet whinging about it, then it turns out he didn’t, which made way more sense and I would have known for sure if I had given a shit about this show. I’m not embarrassed to make a snarky line about misinformation.

Most of this has been me responding to the dogpile, which is because people don’t like me, which I have no interest in remediating. And I’m convinced it comes out of jealousy and frustration that I say things that cuts through people’s bullshit.

You pointing out I post a lot? Holy fuck. Cool, man. Great observation. I love posting. So fucking what? How dare I do that on a forum, grumble, grumble. You’re honestly this close to making the ignore list, because your posts lately contain no meat, despite being so focused in on me. Get over yourself and shape up.

GD
11-23-2021, 01:54 PM
I didn’t *think* The Rock came back. I read that he had, made a flippant statement about the internet whinging about it, then it turns out he didn’t, which made way more sense and I would have known for sure if I had given a shit about this show. I’m not embarrassed to make a snarky line about misinformation.


Ladies and gentleman, this is why you don't listen to someone's opinion who hasn't watched a single event (or match) in a long time.

Damian Rey 2.0
11-23-2021, 02:33 PM
Somebody give noid the gold for mental gymnastics, good lord lol

#1-norm-fan
11-23-2021, 02:52 PM
LOL The classic “Don’t make me put you on ignore!” tactic. What a goof.

Translation: You’re this close to pretending to ignore me because it’s becoming clear that your only chance of not coming off like a total moron when I call you out on your constant bullshit and dumb comments is pretending you can’t see it. As has been pointed out, these awkward mental gymnastics definitely aren’t doing the trick. I can’t imagine you even successfully forced YOURSELF to believe this Rock excuse. :lol:

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 03:12 PM
LOL The classic “Don’t make me put you on ignore!” tactic. What a goof.

Translation: You’re this close to pretending to ignore me because it’s becoming clear that your only chance of not coming off like a total moron when I call you out on your constant bullshit and dumb comments is pretending you can’t see it. As has been pointed out, these awkward mental gymnastics definitely aren’t doing the trick.

You try and call me out, but you’ve been swinging and missing too much lately, with a Guru Dave or BigCrippyZ level of obsession. And it’s been ever since *I* called *you* out because you can’t deal with that, being the sea lion that you are.

I don’t pretend to ignore people, dude. People make the list for borderline bigotry or because they add nothing. You’re steadily approaching the second camp. There’s absolutely no meat in anything you’ve been saying lately.

Lol, mental gymnastics? Because I read some whiny posts about The Rock and responded to them? Those aren’t mental gymnastics, dude. Squint harder.

“The New Avengers movie sucked. I can’t believe Spider-Man got killed in the first ten minutes.”
“I had no clue Spider-Man was going to die because Tom Holland is signed on for way more movies, but there’s probably a reason if you think about it.”
“Spider-Man didn’t even die! Haha! If you had seen the movie you would know that!”
“Well, I hadn’t seen the movie…”
“How embarrassing for you!”
“I don’t really like the Avengers movies that much anymore. I still follow them loosely, but I haven’t been into them because they kind of suck.”
“Then why do you still talk about Avengers movies?”
“It’s a habit and I’m still obsessed with comic books and comic book movies. Not that I can find a comic book movie that is very good. And the discussion around comic books isn’t very stimulating these days.”
“Mental gymnastics!!! Lol, I can’t believe you actually thought Spider-Man died.”

:lol:

I’m not the one doing backflips here.

BigCrippyZ
11-23-2021, 03:15 PM
JFC. What kind of idiot believes that someone else would gives a shit if the idiot ignores them? How fucking pathetic do you have to be to post that as if it's some kind of threat let alone something anyone here would remotely care about?

"Oh no, you're ignoring me! What a tragedy!" What a fucking clown. :lol:

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 03:27 PM
JFC. What kind of idiot believes that someone else would gives a shit if the idiot ignores them? How fucking pathetic do you have to be to post that as if it's some kind of threat let alone something anyone here would remotely care about?

"Oh no, you're ignoring me! What a tragedy!" What a fucking clown. :lol:

I still get PMs from people trying to contact me because I’ve got them on ignore. #fan can care or not care, I don’t give a fuck either way. I’m just giving him an explanation on that front as to why I won’t be responding to him.

You’re too funny and so frivolous that it’s not even worth blocking you. I don’t think I can even respond to a post of yours without completely shutting you down. This even happens in your specialty subjects. And people notice it too. Don’t know if you’ve noticed, but one of the blanket defenses of AEW here is “We’re not unreasonable fanboys here,” (debatable), “the only guy you can say that about is BigCrippyZ.”

BigCrippyZ
11-23-2021, 03:32 PM
Oh wow! Do I get bonus points if I act like I care?

Mr. Nerfect
11-23-2021, 03:48 PM
Oh wow! Do I get bonus points if I act like I care?

Mate, I know you care about what other people think. It’s why you pretend to be a lawyer.

My favorite is when you used to call me “The King of Logic” and then broke down when I aimed that logic at AEW. Now I’m just a pathetic moron who likes sucking cocks. Seems logical.

Speaking of mental gymnastics, by the way.

GD
11-23-2021, 04:06 PM
I still get PMs from people trying to contact me because I’ve got them on ignore.

It's true. I still send PMs to Noid in hopes of reconciling our broken friendship. He acknowledges my Rocky posts but won't admit to missing me :'(


My favorite is when you used to call me “The King of Logic” and then broke down when I aimed that logic at AEW. Now I’m just a pathetic moron who likes sucking cocks. Seems logical.

Speaking of mental gymnastics, by the way.

Noid is a King of many things. Logic isn't one of them.

GD
11-23-2021, 04:11 PM
One thing I've noticed over the years is that Noid likes to remind people how popular he is in real life and in online circles. A very odd choice, probably to reassure himself.

#1-norm-fan
11-23-2021, 04:19 PM
“The New Avengers movie sucked. I can’t believe Spider-Man got killed in the first ten minutes.”
“I had no clue Spider-Man was going to die because Tom Holland is signed on for way more movies, but there’s probably a reason if you think about it.”
“Spider-Man didn’t even die! Haha! If you had seen the movie you would know that!”
“Well, I hadn’t seen the movie…”
“How embarrassing for you!”
“I don’t really like the Avengers movies that much anymore. I still follow them loosely, but I haven’t been into them because they kind of suck.”
“Then why do you still talk about Avengers movies?”
“It’s a habit and I’m still obsessed with comic books and comic book movies. Not that I can find a comic book movie that is very good. And the discussion around comic books isn’t very stimulating these days.”
“Mental gymnastics!!! Lol, I can’t believe you actually thought Spider-Man died.”

:lol:

I’m not the one doing backflips here.

Holy shit. This glimpse into how Noid’s brain views himself and this interaction is wild.

From that very polite first response to the blatant avoidance of major parts of the conversation as he becomes a poor innocent victim.

There is a serious mental issue at play here. Fucking hell.

Sting Fan
11-23-2021, 04:21 PM
Noid - “no one is enjoying wrestling”

Also Noid - “why do people on the internet always feel the need to project moods onto people”

GD
11-23-2021, 04:22 PM
Can someone find the post where Noid talks about being the life of parties where people would gather around him to listen and how he'd avoid AEW fans at said gatherings?

Sting Fan
11-23-2021, 04:28 PM
I still get PMs from people trying to contact me because I’ve got them on ignore.


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Destor
11-23-2021, 04:29 PM
my take away from this page is being negative about wrestling or a wrestling is unacceptable but being negative about a singular human being is completely ok.

#1-norm-fan
11-23-2021, 04:36 PM
I won’t speak for everyone else but for me personally Noid’s negativity isn’t even on the list of issues I have with him. I’m pro negativity in general.

GD
11-23-2021, 04:37 PM
my take away from this page is being negative about wrestling or a wrestling is unacceptable but being negative about a singular human being is completely ok.

He's negative about content he doesn't consume. He reads results and skims through highlights and types out op-eds. Posters like Lock Jaw actually sit through the programming before posting their critique. It's not that black and white.

Sting Fan
11-23-2021, 04:47 PM
my take away from this page is being negative about wrestling or a wrestling is unacceptable but being negative about a singular human being is completely ok.

Nah theres plenty of negativity from other posters.

My take away here is if your gonna be a window licker your gonna get the attention you so desperately crave but it may turn on you at some point when your schtick gets old.

Honesty the Cornette light stuff has just gotten really old at this point.

CripplerCrossface
11-23-2021, 06:30 PM
Boring

Not pointing the finger, but obviously some of the takes here are horrendous

BigCrippyZ
11-23-2021, 06:39 PM
I don’t care if he’s negative on anything in particular that he doesn’t enjoy if he actually were to watch it. That’s not what he does though. Instead he bitches about something he doesn’t watch and makes up complete bullshit about the inner workings of an industry he knows almost nothing about and uses his own bullshit to justify and defend his bitching to pretend to be some genius instead of the moronic, pathetic troll that he is.

Destor
11-23-2021, 06:54 PM
I won’t speak for everyone else but for me personally Noid’s negativity isn’t even on the list of issues I have with him. I’m pro negativity in general.this is the kind of opinion i can really get behind

Damian Rey 2.0
11-23-2021, 08:27 PM
Noid just sucks

#1-norm-fan
11-24-2021, 09:35 AM
I also love how he’s trying the “You started calling me out after I called you out!” thing. Lol

I can literally point out the exact moment where I stopped biting my tongue because Noid and I were friends and said “fuck it” and started making him defend his more ridiculous bullshit. I can also pinpoint the moment after I started doing that where he started desperately trying to call ME out to try to save face. He’s trying really hard to flip history on events that have the dates posted right there on the left.

Combine that with the absolutely insane interpretation he gave with that Spider-man analogy earlier. The guy seriously creates his own world in his mind with its own events and its own special logic and then argues based on that. It’s insane.

XL
11-25-2021, 02:34 PM
The thing with this Rock/Reigns deal is that the story writes itself; “The Head of the Table”, “The Tribal Chief”, the man that puts the food on the table for the whole family, confronted by his own cousin who’s the actual trailblazer, the biggest star on the planet. Cousin vs Cousin.

And when a story writes itself so easily and you don’t plan to deliver it you should be doing everything to go in the opposite direction - if you don’t want to disappoint your fan base that is.

At Survivor Series they clearly leaned into it. They might not have expressly advertised it but they hinted at it. They laid the table, pardon the pun. Which makes me think the plan is for it to happen at some point. Not in 2022 though.

You can’t blame the fans for anticipating on the night.

Damian Rey 2.0
11-26-2021, 12:54 AM
I have zero doubt that they are pushing really hard to have the Rock put over Reigns, as they should.

Mr. Nerfect
11-26-2021, 08:40 PM
The thing with this Rock/Reigns deal is that the story writes itself; “The Head of the Table”, “The Tribal Chief”, the man that puts the food on the table for the whole family, confronted by his own cousin who’s the actual trailblazer, the biggest star on the planet. Cousin vs Cousin.

And when a story writes itself so easily and you don’t plan to deliver it you should be doing everything to go in the opposite direction - if you don’t want to disappoint your fan base that is.

At Survivor Series they clearly leaned into it. They might not have expressly advertised it but they hinted at it. They laid the table, pardon the pun. Which makes me think the plan is for it to happen at some point. Not in 2022 though.

You can’t blame the fans for anticipating on the night.

I agree that the story writes itself, but I don’t think avoiding your public relationship with The Rock just because people want to see a match that can’t happen is the answer. And I’m not sure how many casual fans have actually expected these two to have a match, or The Rock to even come back. It may just be this pocket of hardcore fans who want to fantasy book because their interest in this goes just far enough without realizing The Rock is too big a star to work matches now.

I don’t think “Hey, 25 years ago the biggest star on the planet made his debut with us, we’re going to talk about that” necessarily sends the promotional message the IWC is claiming it does.

XL
11-27-2021, 03:07 AM
But it wasn’t just the promotional packages. The scene with Vince and Reigns that referenced The Rock didn’t really add anything other than calling out the relationship between Reigns and Rock. That planted a seed. Whether they intended it to - and whether or not that was intentional - is debatable.

XL
11-27-2021, 05:18 AM
Let’s not forget that Roman also hit the Rock Bottom during the match.

Mr. Nerfect
11-27-2021, 04:50 PM
But it wasn’t just the promotional packages. The scene with Vince and Reigns that referenced The Rock didn’t really add anything other than calling out the relationship between Reigns and Rock. That planted a seed. Whether they intended it to - and whether or not that was intentional - is debatable.

I don’t think the Rock Bottom means anything. They’re related. It’s like if a Hart uses a Sharpshooter. I can’t comment on the Vince/Reigns stuff.

By the way, if Rock is coming back in some capacity for WrestleMania — host, enforcer, etc. — it was doubtful he was going to establish that at Survivor Series anyway. That’s Raw after Royal Rumble type stuff.

XL
11-28-2021, 04:00 AM
Yeah it could be just a little “shout out” to The Rock on the 25th anniversary of his debut.

For the record, I don’t think they do Rock/Reigns at next year’s Mania, if anything they do something to set it up for WrestleMania Hollywood II in the same vein as they set up Rock vs. Cena “Once” in a lifetime.

Mr. Nerfect
11-28-2021, 12:25 PM
I can see there being some sort of interaction at some point, but I just can’t see Rock working a match at this point. Being in ring shape and finding the time to do that as opposed to doing movies and otherwise being an entrepreneur just doesn’t seem to fit. I can see him involved in WrestleMania — possibly even the next two — but I just can’t see him working that match with Reigns. The role for him seems to be something like raising the hand of the guy who beats Reigns. Maybe slapping Heyman out, motivating The Usos to stand up for themselves. That sort of thing.

slik
11-28-2021, 12:36 PM
I can see there being some sort of interaction at some point, but I just can’t see Rock working a match at this point. Being in ring shape and finding the time to do that as opposed to doing movies and otherwise being an entrepreneur just doesn’t seem to fit. I can see him involved in WrestleMania — possibly even the next two — but I just can’t see him working that match with Reigns. The role for him seems to be something like raising the hand of the guy who beats Reigns. Maybe slapping Heyman out, motivating The Usos to stand up for themselves. That sort of thing.

I agree with you

drave
11-29-2021, 10:03 AM
Rock will acknowledge Reigns and be in his corner. Heyman will get the boot from "the family" and go back to Brock's corner.


Pay me.