AEW: Collision Megathread

[erickman]

5 mins left this may be a draw

[rez]

hope the women's match doesn't go more than a couple minutes

[rez]

surprised it didn't go to a draw

[erickman]

great match

[Damian Rey 2.0]

God damn what a match. Maybe the best in company history.

[rez]

Taco Bell poop break time.

[erickman]

good womans match

[slik]

Cowboy Khan

[erickman]

tony in a cowboy hat

[rez]

This should be fun

[erickman]

let's go ricky cm punk

[rez]

Noid, xrod, Trips, etc. gonna need to go back and watch that 58 minute tag match.

[erickman]

where is trips

[rez]

Good question

Stop with the Burger King commercials. gg

[rez]

oh wow. expect a Punk heel turn now

[slik]

yesss starks won

[erickman]

right man won

[slik]

donut turn starks heel plz

[rez]

lol.... kinda lame the show the match ended at 10pm on the dot when they "had permission" to go overtime and then their own show was right after LOL.

[rez]

Hell yeah. Archer and Jake.

[slik]

Ricky was just checking to make sure the ropes were still tight for the next match, he wasn't cheating

[erickman]

pockets time piss brake

[erickman]

rip his head off lance

[rez]

lol @ OC piling the security

[erickman]

boooooo

[rez]

Archer lookin like an honorary member of salt n pepa

[rez]

LISTENNNN. YO YO

[rez]

Jonah Hill joke went over the fans' heads

[erickman]

what happened we lost half the womans match

[rez]

Con Air apparently was more important? I was gaming and had the TV muted

[rez]

Any title changes?

[erickman]

Any title changes?

not that i saw

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision looks amazing. Fucking love Kevin Kelly and Nigel on commentary.

The time limit call in the tag match was smart. They listen to Jim Cornette. Constant calls throughout the match would be weird today, but announcing the 5 minute end? Smart. It also makes fans believe in a draw. That FTR won was smart diversion. I was toying with the drama of a draw. FTR would retain, but you could always do a “we won the first fall.” With matches going so long these days and 2/3 Falls believable reaching the limit, it might be useful to implement a rule that the first fall is so important because in the event of a draw, first fall wins regardless of champion’s advantage.

Punk and Starks looked good. I like Punk going back to shorts. I didn’t really buy into Starks winning last week. Feels kind of “forced.” But I loved this finish. Punk got screwed, but in a way that it could be like “Kudos, kid. I would have done that when I was your age too. But think deeply about the path you’re on.”

The women’s match seemed fine. A lot more organic spots in these matches. Willow winning is cool. So many Calgary-appropriate spots. Not a bad thing.

I’m not big into House of Black. Kings of the Black Throne was thrown out a lot. I wonder if a trademark lapsed or something? Maybe it’s like a Submission Sorority thing they just figured out. They worked this smart. Best I’ve seen Brody King look. Watching this I realized I want them to explain HOB’s bullshit with Malakai having contractual leverage being at one point a really hot free agent. Would rather they cut out the lights and bullshit, but it could go a step towards explaining how they basically do whatever they want. Andrade coming out builds. I think/hope he costs HOB the belts next week and they move the heels in a new direction with Malakai as a big bad and slowly move away from the trios shit.

Battle of the Belts looked good too! Love the commentary team getting more time. I hate the Orange Cassidy gimmick, but this was the best I’ve seen him look too. Nothing unbelievable, except I don’t get him kicking out of that big slam. But the countout finish was smart. Lance Archer is good.

Luchasaurus isn’t my jam. Shawn Spears is alright. Fine.

Was half-expecting Punk to crash Starks’ ceremony and reveal himself to be more of a dick, but it’s legit charity so it is smart they didn’t. That can come next week. But it would have been an edgy turn of Punk being the disgruntled party.

[rez]

I didn't like the whole show but for the most part loved it. I just can't figure out every reason Collision hits it out of the park compared to Dynamite.

I like D's commentary team but prefer Collisions

I like cruiserweight wrestling (some of my fondest WCW memories) but it's nice to not see that spot where a bunch of wrestlers are bowling pins for someone jumping into them.

I like goofy backstage interviews but appreciate it's mostly not a thing on this show.

Who again are the writers for Collision? Punk, Schiavone, Kahn, FTR? Anyone else? Because it friggin works (so far).

[rez]

It's not the best night for a live show that'll interfere with other sports/ppv. It should have probably premiered in the winter in that regard.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Another great show!

Opening tag match, that wasn't going to be beat. Punk/Starr's is interesting and sets up a nice fallout for next week.

No Bret Hart :(

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was Bret Hart advertised? I read he was, but it could have been a Guru Dave.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Nah, just hoped he'd be there as it was in Calgary.

[XL]

Oh I thought I’d read Bret was going to be there.

[XL]

donut turn starks heel plz

Think you might have two hopes with this: slim and none.

[xrodmuc316]

Noid, xrod, Trips, etc. gonna need to go back and watch that 58 minute tag match.

FTR no longer has any appeal to me. They have the same "we wrestle good" gimmick that almost everybody else has, but with the added bonus of "we like Bret Hart". Bald specifically is so insufferable that the meme exists of whenever anything bad happens, people ask "but is FTR Bald ok?".

If anything, if the match is that great, it is just another reminder that the best they can do with Jay White is in a tag team that is not even the tag champs. What is the point that?

Willow is clearly Tiny's favorite new toy. Why would the entire Outcasts gimmick of we use the numbers game to win, be ignored completely for a finals match? That is literally their entire gimmick, but Toni and Saraya just skipped this one? Such illogical booking.

Why is House of Black wrestling local jobbers? AEW has like 200 wrestlers signed to their roster, they can't use anybody else?

So the fans are booing the guy coming out in Hart colors, and cheering the guy who has been one of the few characters they have that is pretty much universally liked, and they have that guy win by cheating and then have him disrespect Liger by snatching the trophy from him? Let's turn Ricky Starks heel because everybody wants Phil as a babyface, Tiny Khan logic.

Has any title ever.changed hands on a Battle of the Belts show? I really do not remember.

They bring Lance Archer back as this big monster deserving a title match even with him having been off TV for months, and have him lose by countout? WTF

So Taya could not win the TBS Title, so fuck it that earns her a World Title match... Got it! So Toni is clearly there, why would Ruby go out to help win when Toni was MIA an hour ago for her?

So TNT Champion Christian and his Monster Dinosaur hailing from The Tar Pits are fighting against Shawn Spears, who I did not even know was still around. He deserves a title match why, because he is from the same country 1200+ miles away from where they happen to be? It is clearly not because he is a smart contender since he lost by being a distracted idiot.

Honestly, what is the point? Every show is booked like an exhibition with no meaning or followup, other than booking the same match over and over again.

Where is Miro? Has he even wrestled since the first Collision? Did they really have ZERO followup for Samoa Joe? Do they really have Andrade fueding over "they took my halloween mask"? It is not even the overdone Lucha mask story, it is just a piece of his entrance attire. Would the Bucks fued over somebody stealing their tassels? That would be a multiple weeks storyline?

This is just more of the same illogical shit that they used to do exclusively on Dynamite, just with less flippy nonsense.

[rez]

lol. not a bad assessment really

[xrodmuc316]

lol. not a bad assessment really

They have so much to work with, it is just frustrating. Hell give Jeff Jarrett the book, because early TNA was really innovative at least.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, gotta disagree. You can take the logic sword to Dynamite, but Collision’s booking makes sense. It doesn’t have the same ADHD as most modern wrestling.

I get the FTR complaint, but I’d rather them shutting the fuck up and doing the work in the ring than not. Thought the ending of the match was really clever, especially as I thought we were going to a draw or heel win. Jay White seems to have his fingers in the pie as a heel (he called out Punk last week). The tag titles were just a showcase of how good he and Juice are.

Heel interference isn’t going to happen in the Owen tournament. Ruby had something to prove by making it to the finals and redeeming her loss from last year. The Outcasts shit is horrible, so it makes sense for the wrestling show to move away from it. Ruby might grow away from her stablemates and this could play into that story.

Samoa Joe is a patient motherfucker. He doesn’t need to be on TV this week. He’ll strike when the moment is right.

I liked House of Black beating the jobbers. It’s an establishing win before they drop the belts next week. As I said, I hope they interject the idea that Malakai Black has swing, hence the request against tin cans being granted.

Miro should be on television next week, but it’s not like there is wasted motion on these shows. They’ve been building to what is imminent.

I did have the thought that Lance Archer should have just beat Orange Cassidy. But going with TK’s fetish, this was the best OC has ever looked, and it’s partially because the victory over Archer seemed credible and earned. He gets more out of squeaking a countout than he does knocking someone else out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW as a whole is terrible. They’ve got some massive icebergs coming their way. But the team that puts together Collision — whether it’s Punk, Danielson, FTR, Kevin Kelly, whoever — clearly get wrestling and try to have things make sense. And I get the impression they were behind Battle of the Belts too.

Hopefully they will be behind Dynamite soon, because it’s no good having one show that makes sense if the bulk of the product is still a bunch of shit happening for no reason. Realistically, guys like Jericho, Moxley and The Elite are never going to let anyone else handle their booking — especially Punk — but you can let them handle their own shit and when it’s terrible they might get the idea.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, and I’m not sure Ricky Starks is turning heel, guys. They might indicate that way, but this just feels like drama and a credible way for Starks to move past Punk without beating him flat. Now Punk can be disappointed dad. Or even approving mentor.

Beating Punk needs to mean something, but it’s also got to come from a scrappy place. Starks has this career victory but still has things he needs to prove.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, and when Collision takes over Dynamite, can we please get Ian Riccaboni and Caprice Coleman on the call, pls.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ian Riccaboni should get to fill in Kevin Kelly when Kevin goes to do the G1. That will be a good segue into him taking a spot on Dynamite. The first move will be to have him replace Tony Schiavone, who will go to interviewing and maybe sitting in on Rampage if he still wants to be at a desk. So we’ll get a few weird weeks of Ian Riccaboni, Excalibur and Taz. But then you do an angle with Taz and hook, move him back into managing and Caprice sneaks on.

Then it’s Ian Riccaboni, Caprice Coleman and Excalibur. By then maybe Excalibur will have learned to lay out, be sick of it, have a deal expiring, be happy to go to Rampage, or whatever, and just get the fuck out of the way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW could use some better referees too. Was Bryce Remsburg the ref in the main event? He was in really bad position for that finish. It’s little details like that.

Mike Chiota is old now, I guess. Brian Hebner retired, but you could probably throw money at him. I’m sure there are trained refs out there in the indies and they can train guys themselves.

AEW’s never really needed to call for their refs to actually be good.

[XL]

Oh, and I’m not sure Ricky Starks is turning heel, guys. They might indicate that way, but this just feels like drama and a credible way for Starks to move past Punk without beating him flat. Now Punk can be disappointed dad. Or even approving mentor.

Beating Punk needs to mean something, but it’s also got to come from a scrappy place. Starks has this career victory but still has things he needs to prove.

It’s more the thing with Liger and the trophy than the way he beat Punk.

[GD]

In typical Noid fashion, I watched the main event on YouTube and was thoroughly disappointed by CM Punk's sloppy ass attempting moves that could potentially injure his opponents. His in-ring work is subpar and his ring gear is an eyesore.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s more the thing with Liger and the trophy than the way he beat Punk.

I didn’t catch that bit. No one seems enthused about a heel turn. I’d definitely go down the fake out root.

“Hey, last week you cheated. Young me would have done the same thing. But he careful about the path you walk, because there are still people whose feathers are ruffled. And they get away with lies and politics and maybe that sticks because I’ve got those enemies. You’ve got the natural talent and the drive to make a lot of enemies. I’m not going to be one of them.”

Punk vs. White is probably your main event. Would make sense. Have that spill into chaos at the end with Bullet Club Gold, Samoa Joe. You could even have House of Black and Andrade get involved after The Acclaimed take up the right cause after beating HOB earlier. Just for some new names in there. Big brawl to close the show. You either have no Starks or Starks make the final save.

Teasing the heel turn could be interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, I like that idea: Punk is getting beat down by Jay White, Juice Robinson and The Gunns. Juice tries to go into Punk’s bag, but it’s a fake reveal because Punk knew something would go down. FTR have been hurt earlier in the show. Or they’re on other assignment. The Acclaimed make the save because they’re in the house and faces. House of Black hits. Andrade tries to make the save ahead of his big singles match with Malakai, but it’s 7 on 5.

Samoa Joe comes out and starts helping the heels. The crowd is chanting for Ricky Starks. Miro or Powerhouse Hobbs makes the save instead. Hobbs works thematically for me. Moro is the bigger star.

Starks doesn’t show up. He was washing his hair.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Collision next week would be:

* Ricky Starks/CM Punk promo establishing Punk isn’t mad at Starks. Be careful of the enemies you make.

* The Acclaimed beating House of Black to win the six-man belts. Andrade challenges Malakai for the next week.

* Powerhouse Hobbs dumps QTV on Rampage and squashes one of them on Collision. QT Marshall would be fine. This explains why he’s in the building.

* You’d do something with Ruby Soho and her frustration at not winning the tournament and her buddies not being there. Maybe Ruby & Saraya vs. Willow & Skye Blue? Or throw another face in there and do the whole Outcasts. Whatever.

* Ricky Starks would logically wrestle. Makes sense to put him in the building and give him a logical reason to not get involved. If he disrespected Liger, a veteran or even someone from Japan would make sense. Christopher Daniels or something could work.

* CM Punk vs. Jay White, big brawl angle.

The show kind of takes care of itself.

[xrodmuc316]

Nah, gotta disagree. You can take the logic sword to Dynamite, but Collision’s booking makes sense. It doesn’t have the same ADHD as most modern wrestling.



Oh don't get me wrong, Dynamite is the same show, all the faults, all the nonsense, but just with different people that flip a bit more and the goofy shit that is Moxley and all that comes with it. It is still Tiny booking for shit though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision has got that attention to detail though. You can tell people who listen to Jim Cornette have got their hands on the show. Well, Tony hears Jim Cornette every week too. He just doesn’t listen.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dynamite still largely the drizzling shits. When you hear Matt Hardy or Jon Moxley or Chris Jericho talk, you just have to question how insane it is anyone would let them near creative or put them in anything resembling a leadership role.

[GD]

Wish Sho Funaki would come back and become #1 Dynamite announcer!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is Blood & Guts this week? I’d like them to do a Ricky Starks segment where Punk confronts him. Helps boost that show. Punk can challenge Samoa Joe to a Fight Without Honor at the end of it. Then you’ve got Punk/Joe and The Acclaimed & Billy Gunn vs. House of Black set up for Collision.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision on soon. They’ve got their work cut out for them following that modern classic Blood & Guts this week.

[GD]

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[erickman]

let's see if starks is a heel

[erickman]

oh he is ric flare

[erickman]

everone is goofing on jersey

[erickman]

miro time

[erickman]

uh oh billy gunn is retiring left his boots in the ring

[erickman]

yep starks is a heel a good one

[xrodmuc316]

Let's take a guy who worked hard and got over, and turn him heel to appease the idiot booker's dream of booking his favorite wrestler as a babyface.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Let's take a guy who worked hard and got over, and turn him heel to appease the idiot booker's dream of booking his favorite wrestler as a babyface.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[rez]

Skipped a bunch on DVR viewing. Was the show pretty decent?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision looked good. Punk and Starks tore up up on the mic. The inclusion of Darby was good. Christian felt…tacked on to me. He shouldn’t be that “stupid.” I dunno. I also didn’t like his gear in the main event. Not a fan of CM Trunks returning either.

Billy Gunn returning means you might as well pack it up.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m not mad at you. I can live with the L. But think about this. Can you live with the win knowing how you did it, knowing deep down that you can’t beat CM Punk without cheating?

My bag is as empty as that little red bag you carry around.

What, are you like Max? I'm the champ!

"Tore It Up" :roll:

I know you especially hate The Elite (they suck, no arguments), but can we not pretend the guy getting booed out of the building and doing cartwheels is anything but gutter trash at this point?

[Mr. Nerfect]

CM Punk is a good performer, dude. I get you hate him, but there’s a reason he has this company by the balls.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk hit all the points he should have hit. Starks did his part really well too. You can also tell they listen to Cornette because they didn’t render Schiavone useless.

[Fignuts]

"Tore It Up" :roll:

I know you especially hate The Elite (they suck, no arguments), but can we not pretend the guy getting booed out of the building and doing cartwheels is anything but gutter trash at this point?

No one is ever going to hate cm punk like you do.

[Sepholio]

No one is ever going to hate cm punk like you do.

Wrong. /Trump

[GD]

So I ended up catching some of the highlights on YouTube and in typical Noid fashion, I'll present my thoughts and sheer disgust at the quality of the show.

One thing that stands out to me as a veteran professional wrestling fan is the how distinct the show is in terms of its in-ring content. It separates itself from Dynamite which is a good thing. Relying on stars who are past their prime like Christian Cage and CM Punk, shoving them in the main event scene for the sake of TRP is not edgy or creative. Using older superstars as a crux was what made fans livid at WWE and I wish they bring the same energy here.

I mean this as sincerely as I possibly can, CM Punk is extremely sloppy and dangerous in the ring. If anything, John Cena's in-ring style was more refined and polished in comparison. There's no cohesion when it comes to his moves or his ring gear. He comes across as a jabroni mark to be completely honest. For someone who prides himself in being "straight edge", he looks and moves like a homeless meth addict. He needs to take it easy on the donuts and Pepsi. The way Christian hit his head on the guard rail after the GTS was scary.

While Darby Allen makes Rey Mysterio look like "The Big Red Machine" Kane, he's genuinely one of the best acts that the company has produced. Do I believe he deserves to be world champion some day? Absolutely, not. While AEW's world title is devoid of the "heavyweight" naming scheme, Darby Allen should never win the big one. He has to remain true to his second rate Tommy Dreamer underdog aspirations. He should never be world champion.

Towards the end of the match, when Luchasauras interferes, Starks takes less than 2 seconds to recover from the supine position to go grab Darby from the top rope!!! I mean, what the actual fuck are we doing anymore? https://youtu.be/WrGDt7EmjFw?t=331 Starks' opening promo was terrible as well. People need to chill with the Rock comparisons, not because they don't have any merits, it's because they're spending too much energy on someone who's going to be relegated to the indies in less than three years. He's not special. Wrestling marks will get behind anyone...seriously.

I didn't have the energy to sit through the trios title match because of how bored I am of the Acclaimed. They have 1/10th the charisma or star power of Enzo Amore and Big Cass when they first debuted on the main roster. They have nothing to offer besides the "scissor me daddy" gimmick. It was adorable at first, now it's just cringe.

Don't want to talk about Miro...he's fine and Taya is the drizzling shits. Skye Blue has overachieved and doesn't deserve any television time. It's not like the fans are craving for it...maybe it's a Tony thing. I don't know...I don't trust that guy. It's a travesty how they're misusing Jay White. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Overall, I'll give this show a lenient 1 star out of 5 Doug Basham vs Nick Dinsmore 2/3 falls OVW matches. Can't believe this show even exists. Should just call it Rampage+ :nono:

[xrodmuc316]

Wrong. /Trump

That is exactly who Tiny Khan talks like. Everything is the best, greatest, huge, massive success, etc.

[xrodmuc316]

No one is ever going to hate cm punk like you do.

Tell that to everybody that was booing him :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s weird. Ticket sales go up and the audience is mostly boos.

[xrodmuc316]

It’s weird. Ticket sales go up and the audience is mostly boos.

Went up from what, exactly? It is a new show, but it doesnt sell as many tickets as Dynamite. It didnt even sell as many tickets as Rampage's debut either.

Phil sold more tickets than they used to sell for Collision, before it existed, but other than that...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I mean, that’s it. Tickets were abysmally low. Punk is announced, they go up. Yet the fans are still booing him. I’d suggest it is performative.

[Lock Jaw]

Started watching the July 8th episode from Regina, SK just to "check it out".... "cool" to see the locations they did their shouty promos from at the start of the show and know exactly where they were....

Arena looked good... they made it look way bigger than it actually is.....

Turned it off midway through the first match though cause I got better things to do

[rez]

Just got home from South Bend. What the fuck! Where all you fools at?! IT'S COLLISION TIME, BAY BAY

[rez]

Eating a slice of Sbarro in Triple A's honour

[rez]

Holy shit! The Forums still are fucking slow and fucked. No wonder no one is discussing the hottest wrestling show on television.

[rez]

Come on, Andrade

[Sepholio]

Hell yeah another title belt. AEW doesn't have nearly enough of those.

[rez]

Damn! that ladder spot was cool

[rez]

Break free, Anie!

[rez]

Jesus, another banger of a match brought to you by AEW Collision on TNT! bah god!

[rez]

Rarity. Gonna forward through a Darby match...no interest in this match.

[rez]

Lol..sending him back to Hot Topic

[rez]

It's Sweet Tooth in the flesh

[rez]

lol, this Gravity jabroni again?

Kill him, Needles!

[rez]

Musk gonna be pissed at the CM Punk X belt!

[rez]

damn...thought Storm versus Shida was tonight. fuck me

[rez]

Main event should be gr8. I'm here for it

[Ben Rodrigues]

I recognise CM Punk as the AEW and Lineal World Champion.

[XL]

I thought he was (MTV’s) The Real World Champ. The Miz gonna challenge for the belt.

[xrodmuc316]

So MJF was there, but he just didn't care that Phil is calling himself the World Champion???

Tiny is such a good and logical booker! :roll:

[erickman]

lost my power yesterday missed a great show. i love the clips of ftr and max pizza booze part waiting for the hulu streaming

[XL]

So MJF was there, but he just didn't care that Phil is calling himself the World Champion???

Tiny is such a good and logical booker! :roll:

MJF was just so thrilled about having a friend for the first time. Nuanced storytelling.

[erickman]

yeah it looks like a big fake face turn for mjf i want to see where this goes with cole

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision felt weird this week. Not necessarily bad weird, but just a bit of weird. I honestly think it’s mainly the CM Punk World Champ thing. I felt a bit of whiplash how they’re all acting.

[GD]

This past week's edition of Collision was an absolute dumpster fire. Way to make your world's champion look like a fucking joke...unbelievable :nono:

[rez]

Just got home and starting

[rez]

Ricky can't pronounce consequences no gewd.

[rez]

They should have swapped the last two Collision shows somehow.

[rez]

They should have swapped the last two Collision shows somehow.

[rez]

I'm not sure what Tony is up to....

[rez]

prince iaukea vibes with the patch Punk didn't shave

[xrodmuc316]

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CM Fraud has been mindbroken for 450 days over this. He is STILL crying about this 450 days later. He has ALL these things to say when Adam Page in not in the same building, but when it happened, face to face, all he had the balls to say was "why are you so angry" and "I respect you".

Phil is such a coward.

[Sepholio]

lol I love how they supposedly sent Hangman home before this happened. "Get out of here so I can talk shit about you after you leave without getting my ass whooped for it!"

[xrodmuc316]

lol I love how they supposedly sent Hangman home before this happened. "Get out of here so I can talk shit about you after you leave without getting my ass whooped for it!"

Same with Brawl Out, that press conference doesnt happen that way if Hangman is in the building. It is clearly one thing to talk shit about the EVPs because there is that caveat that they are executives, so if it goes wrong Phil has a case against the company itself. But another independent wrestler who outweighs him by 40 pounds and is 12 years younger is another animal entirely.

Because Page made a vague reference in a promo, Phil really was scared Page was going to shoot beat his ass on PPV. Phil being the bitch he is, went and cried to his fanboy boss about it and talks shit anytime he can, as long as the guy is not in the same arena.

[xrodmuc316]

Anybody else remember how Phil vehemently denied having anything to do with Colt Cabana being removed from AEW? That doesn't really hold up when Phil is having Hangman, Ryan Nemeth, and Matt Hardy removed from Collision because he is such a bitter piece of shit, right?

[GD]

"When Punk first returned earlier this summer after his hiatus dating back to the prior year’s All Out media Q&A, Khan stood up backstage in the gorilla position with his headset on and started pumping his fist and chanting “C.M. Punk!” enthusiastically as Punk walked by."

[Sepholio]

It's going to be absolutely amazing when someone suddenly shoots on Punk in a match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Adam Page was the most unprofessional fuck ever for that ambush all that time ago. He doesn’t really deserve the Collision treatment of being made to look better than he is. Matt Hardy is a total POS and has been very vocal against Punk in the past (look up the video of a loaded Jeff Hardy talking shit and trying to take credit for Punk). Ryan Nemeth apparently made a jab at Punk on social media so Punk isn’t going to go out of his way to curate his career.

It’s funny that The Elite cry about Colt Cabana being messed with by Punk when they have the record of sabotaging guys. And Britt Baker with the girls. With the Punk/Cabana stuff it wasn’t so much whether or not Punk did it. It’d make sense for him to make it a condition of bringing him in. It’s about what actual bullshit it was and how it was fabricated to keep AEW from improving because they’re insecure about their work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A hilarious thing about all this is how Punk‘a awful UFC record hangs over this. No one wanta to be the next guys that try and fuck with Punk and take the embarrassing L of getting their ass handed to them by a guy who can’t fight professionally. So you get all this skulking around, Jericho making comments after things are over, etc.

[xrodmuc316]

CM Phil also got Christopher Daniels, the respected veteran and HEAD OF TALENT RELATIONS, kicked out of Collision also. The reasoning being that Christopher Daniels was a witness to the backstage fight, and IF Ace Steele (who threw chairs and bit people) is banned from Collision, so should Christopher Daniels.

Being present is the same as throwing chairs and biting people, according to Phil...

[xrodmuc316]

"When Punk first returned earlier this summer after his hiatus dating back to the prior year’s All Out media Q&A, Khan stood up backstage in the gorilla position with his headset on and started pumping his fist and chanting “C.M. Punk!” enthusiastically as Punk walked by."



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[Mr. JL]

If Tony Khan gave CM Punk any kind of authority to kick his roster or management out of the building than he is a bigger mark than there ever has been.

If CM Punk wants to go full fledged heel and this is his way and its been worked out then it will be subtly brilliant.

If this is just CM Punk spouting shit on the mic because he can and he's stupid and is brain damaged enough from his UFC fights and is just taking shots at Hangman and Ziggler's brother while also complaining about being "chopped" by the House of Black while kicking out Matt Hardy and Christopher Daniels then HAHA... Tony Khan is fucked... this does not end well, AGAIN! He's put himself into a whole lot of legal jeopardy on a bunch of different fronts

I'm not sure which to believe because I frankly would never have left CM Punk back into the fold unless The Elite were okay with it. If they weren't and he still did it, HOLY FUCK that man is stupid and would probably explain the "They took a vote and everyone flip flopped and were unsure of what to really do" contract negotiations.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Re: Christopher Daniels: If he actually did get “kicked out” (more reliable folks than Meltzer are saying 2 of the rumored 4 are true), it’d be useful to know what his role has been in the fight/the backstage drama, considering he is Talent Relations. If he was unprofessional and has been part of the problem, then it’s pretty understandable why Punk might call a shot and keep him away.

It’s also possible he was sent home because there weren’t plans to use him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Adam Page and Matt Hardy are the 2 I’d believe. Punk also saying something Page kind of confirms it.

[Tom Guycott]

I still think it's funny how the Cabana shit gets brought up when they were already not using the guy well before CM Punk coming to AEW was even a thought. They were dragging out a supposed drama of "will he/won't he" join the Dark Order bullshit. To say "the crowd went mild" is overselling it. It didn't even look like HE cared about the angle. Hell, until that Jericho match, I thought Colt got the Chavo Gurerro treatment.

A hilarious thing about all this is how Punk‘a awful UFC record hangs over this. No one wanta to be the next guys that try and fuck with Punk and take the embarrassing L of getting their ass handed to them by a guy who can’t fight professionally. So you get all this skulking around, Jericho making comments after things are over, etc.

This.

A thing that has always been funny to me about it is the fact that, yes, CM Punk was pretty delusional thinking he could just jump into something that people have spent most of their lives working towards... but at the same time, it isn't like he went in off the street with zero training whatsoever. He put in work. Just not the same amount of work someone who has amateur wrestling backgrounds and years of grappling and standup work ahead of him.

I personally could start going to a boxing gym and luck my way into a professional heavyweight fight. I'll prob'ly get my ass handed to me in said professional fight. I will also be able to easily take out any shithead in a bar who thinks he's tough and thinks he can outbox me after seeing me eat shit on a PPV. Both things can be true.

An 0-2 UFC record is only funny in the context of him fighting in the UFC, not throwing knuckles with some dicks in a backstage fistfight. That is an absolute false equivalence whether you "like" CM Punk or not.

But the worst part of it is exactly how all of this "news" just keeps showing up for no reason, and then any clarifications or retractions are kinda slow to show up. Starts with the instant clickbaity "CM PUNK HEAT WITH RYAN NEMETH" and then the whole "they talked it out and it wasn't as bad as we made it sound" just kinda slips under the radar. Punk gets the headline, and saying how horrible he is gets the attention. Hit job done.

[xrodmuc316]

Phil was mad that Ryan Nemeth was saying hello to people at the hotel before the show, but did not say hello to Phil.

I am not bullshitting, he didnt say hi to Phil so Phil had him sent home lol

In regard to the Ryan Nemeth situation, one AEW talent believed that him being sent home may have been precipitated by Nemeth walking around and saying hello to everyone at the hotel before the taping but not stopping and saying hello to CM Punk and others Punk was with. The talent noted that several weeks ago, Punk had held a locker room meeting about trying to keep the Collision locker room as drama free as possible and that with Nemeth having knocked Punk on Twitter around the time he returned to the ring in Chicago for the Collision premiere, that would fly in the face of that.

As we noted yesterday, Punk and Nemeth had a conversation after that Tweet several months back and the belief among a source close to Nemeth was that the two sides were fine. However, the talent who witnessed Nemeth "blow off" Punk and his group (whether purposely or accidental the talent could not say) stated that they could see how Nemeth acting that way would set off Punk, given what he's tried to set in the Collision locker room. The source commented that they weren't defending Punk, but they could understand the cause and effect there. As we reported yesterday, AEW VP Pat Buck sent Nemeth home last Saturday, telling him he would be working Wednesdays instead.

For more visit https://www.pwinsider.com/article/174340/more-on-the-cm-punkcollision-locker-room-situation.html?p=1

[Mr. Nerfect]

That reads to me like “be on your best behavior.”

*guy isn’t on his best behavior*

“Ok, go home if you’re going to have that attitude.”

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now Nemeth gets to go and see how the Wednesday crew use a guy like him after 4 years of just…not. He might get one or two spite uses. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you, folks.

The best he can hope for is being given a gimmick like his brother had for his re-debut. “Hi, I’m Dirk Ziggler.”

[xrodmuc316]

Shit keeps dropping lol

So apparently Phil shot down some spot Jungle Boy wanted to do using real glass.

Punk got in his face (because of course he would act tough to Jack Perry lol) saying that "they don't do that kind of stuff on Saturday night" and "go back to Dynamite". He also claimed that Jungle Jack had a tantrum, although I must have missed that since it didnt happen at a media scrum.

So the guy who wants no confrontations or drama has gotten into the face of 2 wrestlers, got the Head of Talent Relations kicked off the show, is cancelling people's bookings, and is still taking shots at the guys he claims he wants to apologize to and do business with.

Oh and he was mad at House of Black and scolded them because they chop too hard.

I mean, who ever could have imagined this kind of stuff happening???

[GD]

I mean...you can't blame him for wanting to protect Jack Perry from himself. He wasn't the only one who was against the idea (Tony and the medical staff). Punk has made a lot of questionable decisions but I'm not going to hold that one against him.

[Sepholio]

I mean I agree with not letting Jungle Jobber do it for safety concerns, but the way Punk supposedly handled it isn't the best. He shouldn't be handling any of these situations all things considered. TK should have been the one to tell him no, or maybe Daniels.

[Mr. Nerfect]

According to the original report (which came from SRS, so it probably has an anti-Punk taint anyway), numerous veterans, including Tony Schiavone, had an issue with the glass thing. Punk was nominated to talk to Jungle Boy. It was JB that threw the tantrum.

[xrodmuc316]

Exactly, Phil does not have the temperament to be the one trying to talk to other talent ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He’s done a great job heading up Collision so far. The biggest mistake is probably inviting the indy-minded dolts onto the Collision side. Why would you use a Matt Hardy, Adam Page or Jungle Boy there? Keep it the logical wrestling show.

[GD]

He’s done a great job heading up Collision so far. The biggest mistake is probably inviting the indy-minded dolts onto the Collision side. Why would you use a Matt Hardy, Adam Page or Jungle Boy there? Keep it the logical wrestling show.

:roll:

[erickman]

looks like a good show

[erickman]

punk kicked joes ass

[erickman]

long time since i saw a dalton match still has his boys

[rez]

just tuning in

[Verbose Minch]

Watching right now. Dalton Castle is horrendous

[Sting Fan]

Dalton Castle is a great act, are his back injuries legit? Kind of feels like if they are that might stop him being more than he is sadly. He would fit well in the TNT title hunt I reckon.

Punk vs. Joe... Meh. Segment was ok but I just dont care that much tbh.

Main event was pretty fire but anytime Darby or Christian are in the mix your probably getting something solid or better so the math checks out.

FTR vs. Bucks is gonna be mint, probably my main reason to purchase the PPV.

Was it just me or was the Hobs vs. Miro thing awkward? Hobbs facials which are normally pretty good were weird as hell.

[Verbose Minch]

Dalton Castle is a great act, are his back injuries legit? Kind of feels like if they are that might stop him being more than he is sadly. He would fit well in the TNT title hunt I reckon.

It's a great act for a jobber or something, for sure. Guy won't ever draw a dine. Him competing for the TNT title would somehow give it an even worse legacy than it already has

[Sting Fan]

Agree to disagree I guess, I think its an entertaining gimmick and his in ring work looked like that of a competent guy trying to be flamboyant.

I don't think hes the second coming of Austin or anything but as a mid card act hes eye catching, commits to the gimmick and can work. Could make a nice foil for OC as a heel as well but I'm not sure how over the top flamboyant man as a heel works in this day and age.

[weather vane]

Love Dalton Castle.

[GD]

SRS hinted that The Elite may appear on tonight's show.

[xrodmuc316]

Wonder if Christopher Daniels is allowed to be there to do his job now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Doing his job isn’t a problem. Doing his job properly is.

[GD]

What is Noid inferring?

[erickman]

brian is back

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brian Kendrick? Yay?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or Bryan Danielson? Boo.

[erickman]

Or Bryan Danielson? Boo.

that one to help with the pissed off Chiago fans

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Collision's show opens with Tony Khan revealing that he's terminated CM Punk. He came to the decision based on the recommendation of outside legal counsel and a disciplinary committee. He's sorry he had to do it, and it endangered people backstage, including people that had…</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1698124801628385558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: DAD HELP MY TOYS ARE SCARY!!!!!!

[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Collision's show opens with Tony Khan revealing that he's terminated CM Punk. He came to the decision based on the recommendation of outside legal counsel and a disciplinary committee. He's sorry he had to do it, and it endangered people backstage, including people that had…</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1698124801628385558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: DAD HELP MY TOYS ARE SCARY!!!!!!

AEW Disciplinary committe: Nicholas Massie, Tyson Page, Stevie Woltz, Matthew Massie,and Daniel Covell

[GD]

Yikes

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="pt" dir="ltr">AEW GM <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> opens <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> <a href="https://t.co/1UeMHipSsu">pic.twitter.com/1UeMHipSsu</a></p>&mdash; AEW on TV (@AEWonTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTV/status/1698125129572651516?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol imagine Vince saying that.

What a little beta bitch

[GD]

Lol imagine Vince saying that.

What a little beta bitch

https://i.imgur.com/x5Afjib.png

[Vastardikai]

Yikes

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="pt" dir="ltr">AEW GM <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> opens <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> <a href="https://t.co/1UeMHipSsu">pic.twitter.com/1UeMHipSsu</a></p>&mdash; AEW on TV (@AEWonTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTV/status/1698125129572651516?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Worst of all, CM Punk just lost his title of "Softest Man Alive."

Someone needs to get Tony Khan an emotional support animal and some therapy. He is clearly suffering from PTSD.

[xrodmuc316]

WAAAAAAHHHHH MUH DADDY RAISED HERE!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chicago booing Tony Khan tonight after the release of CM Punk ������ <a href="https://t.co/sByJdDpidm">pic.twitter.com/sByJdDpidm</a></p>&mdash; Wrestle Ops (@WrestleOps) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleOps/status/1698122469800857824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Amazing. Love this crowd energy.

[Lock Jaw]

He probably went backstage and started to cry

[GD]

Worst of all, CM Punk just lost his title of "Softest Man Alive."

Someone needs to get Tony Khan an emotional support animal and some therapy. He is clearly suffering from PTSD.

Imagine being lunged at by an unhinged employee. As much as I detest the way TK conducts business, he was the victim in this case.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You joke, but have you ever seen a regular sized man push a smaller than average sized man when they’re having an argument? That shit will make you fear for your life.

[Mr. Nerfect]

At this point, I think we can safely say that the “CM” stands for Charles Manson. Pure evil.

[GD]

I'd like to see Punk try his luck with guys like Mox, Hobbs or even Luchasauras.

[Frank Drebin]

He probably went backstage and started to cry

I just hope he feels safe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Those boos were pretty menacing. Can Tony fire the crowd?

[xrodmuc316]

Those boos were pretty menacing. Can Tony fire the crowd?

All those boos, his life was in danger! :rofl:

All that fear for his life, but he still had time to talk about how he now owns ROH lol

[Sting Fan]

Collision was good, felt like a bit of a packed show to try and fend off the lack of Punk in Chicago and looked like it worked tbh. Other than booing the Bucks which was a given, the crowd seemed into it and didn't really hijack anything.

Danielson vs. Starks is nice, I really hope Starks goes over even if its dodgy which looks likely in a no DQ with Big Bill floating around.

TKs address was fine, it is what it is. The guy could personally give every person in the IWC a million bucks and a portion would hate him because hes living out there EWR dream and the jealousy is real. I have no doubt if TK wasnt within his rights to fire/release CM Punk, Punk will sue him and we will soon hear all about it. Hell even if hes got Punk dead to rights I half expect a law suit.

Not a lot on for me tomorrow, I might order the PPV tbh. I didnt expect to but when they ran the card theres plenty on there even if I kinda wanted a World title match.

[Sting Fan]

Oh and more really good work from OC on that promo. I'm quite intrigued by the him and Mox match.

The whole "I am Orange Cassidy and I don't have a catchphrase" is all kinds of great. I would like to see OC win then go back to not saying a lot again and bring this out for the big deal stuuff.

[xrodmuc316]

Read the results, this sounded interesting so I watched it. This is the kind of stuff that makes me love wrestling, just such a good swerve

FTOIjz-OYYY

[GD]

Read the results, this sounded interesting so I watched it. This is the kind of stuff that makes me love wrestling, just such a good swerve

FTOIjz-OYYY

Can't believe they robbed us of a Steamboat match with a last minute swerve :lol: Typical Tiny Khan...AEW is doomed :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, can’t watch Collision anymore. It’s done. Let me guess: Ricky said “I said The Dragon will challenge you. I didn’t say WHICH Dragon! Here’s The American Dragon!”

[GD]

Nailed it :lol:

[xrodmuc316]

It is the simplicity in the swerve and Starks selling of it that makes it good.

[Sting Fan]

Steamboats outings a few years ago were so good that I never expected a swerve. I expected a "match" where Steamboat took some bumps and got in a shot or two before Starks beat the crap out of him.

Also I didnt know Danielson was ready to go. Very effective and you can see it got the crowd nicely on a night where a distraction was badly needed.

[xrodmuc316]

Steamboats outings a few years ago were so good that I never expected a swerve. I expected a "match" where Steamboat took some bumps and got in a shot or two before Starks beat the crap out of him.

Also I didnt know Danielson was ready to go. Very effective and you can see it got the crowd nicely on a night where a distraction was badly needed.

I also enjoyed Nigel's off hand commentary "oh he is fine to wrestle now?" after the rumor of Nigel having a last match against Bryan at All In.

[rez]

Starting Collision from the beginning. Got tired of Pat McAfee's voice during the Texas/Alabamer game.

[rez]

Ugh. Mox home state

[rez]

I'm surprised AEW keeps having popup advertisements for Fight Forever. They never have commercials for it during a broadcast.

It's not a bad game but I tried to figure out how to load Stadium Stampede for the first time the other day. I had to fucking look it up.....load it outside of the actual game. I waited for a few minutes queued because of course you can't just play against the computer. I gave up and fucked Droford's mother.

[rez]

whoa. Jade is back...maybe she just didn't like Punk

[Ben Rodrigues]

How is it? Dynamite 2.0 or have they kept the same feel?

[rez]

she's NOT REAL!

[rez]

Lana

[rez]

How is it? Dynamite 2.0 or have they kept the same feel?

Dunno..haven't really got a feel either way yet. I was doing some shit for work up until meow.

[slik]

easily lana/cj perry's best promo

collision felt very ho-hum overall...so many open challenges and wrestler vs enhancement matches...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision is done. Now Bryan is saying he’s got about a year left. Wrestlers talk out their ass, but I can see him bailing back to WWE for a HOF induction, Mania 41 and ending his career with significance.

[rez]

Lol. Dude claims 1 year on the show that he now leads and he's auto going to retire?
He will eventually retire with wwe but you're a dumbass.

[Evil Vito]

Really enjoyed the episode this week. Lots of good stuff.

[slik]

The screaming kids at ringside driving me f'n insane

20 min of screaming so far

[xrodmuc316]

The screaming kids at ringside driving me f'n insane

20 min of screaming so far

Haha they even mentioned that on commentary, those kids must have loved Ricky Starks!

[slik]

Welp

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seriously, how does this make air? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> <a href="https://t.co/y12oLxy3Aj">pic.twitter.com/y12oLxy3Aj</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1703208206820945958?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Volchok]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[slik]

a total dud of an episode

feels like Rampage now

[slik]

RVD returns to Collision next week

Texas DEATH match between Starks and Danielson next week

[slik]

they didn't do any build to grand slam at all on this show...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, take 22. They fucking suck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So glad there’s such a strong story behind Starks vs. Danielson. They go to that stip whenever something is cold. Certainly smells of death.

[xrodmuc316]

Welp

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seriously, how does this make air? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> <a href="https://t.co/y12oLxy3Aj">pic.twitter.com/y12oLxy3Aj</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1703208206820945958?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL, what difficult dialogue could they possibly need 22 takes for :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Keith Lee isn’t very good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Next week they’ve got RVD to help out. :lol:

[Volchok]

Tony got scared Rock came back and called RVD lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

RVD boosted the ratings last time. I’m not sure he’ll help now that people have seen it. And I’m not sure they stick around for the rest of the crap.

[Volchok]

its been a month or so since i legit sat down and watched a full episode of any aew show. its just.. difficult.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’re not very good. Collision looked to be doing alright, but I got the benefit of consuming it in clips.

[xrodmuc316]

HAHAHA yes F Luchasaurus!

[screech]

How's everyone's fathers doing tonight?

[rez]

:wave:

[DaveWadding]

How's everyone's fathers doing tonight?

Still dead

[DaveWadding]

Extremely watchable Collision show though.

WrestleDream shaping up to be a great show. So many great looking matches

[Mr. Nerfect]

This show still exists? Oy.

[screech]

Still dead

https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2023/08/2cd63-16928424347186-1920.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision needs a child so that Christian can mock them because their father is dead.

[Vastardikai]

Collision needs a child so that Christian can mock them because their father is dead.

-1 makes his long awaited AEW return.

[Tom Guycott]

You jest, but Baby Brodie is more over than the percentage of the guys Kenny Omega said he wouldn't have hired, and he's only "on the roster" as a do-right gesture for his family.

That is, unless Tony plans on doing what WWE doesn't do with Dirty Dom, and officially make his custody chain another one of their documented titles.

[Mr. JL]

Love Rob Van Dam but he looks blown up as fuck in the AEW ring with those young guys... to the Extreme.

Less than 10 minutes with Jungle Boy Jack Perry and he looked gassed. Still surprisingly good but he was starting to look exhaustedly awkward with his move set.

Tag Team Match with Hook n JAS guys in a less than 10 minute match and he looks completely exhausted.

That gas tank is looks gone, marijuana weed smoked out... its smoke n mirrors & picking your spots from here on out.

Kind of sad that there may never be ONE MORE great singles match for RVD.

Still would have been cool if Hook congratulated RVD for their win and just said, "Pick a hand" and just fucking leveled RVD. Leading to a match where RVD could put over Hook while playing on the past.

[Splaya]

I thought Collision was one of the best shows AEW has produced in a long time.

Danielson does have a great mind for the business and how to make shows better. Not surprising, he comes from a ROH/WWE background...or just produces logic when it comes to storylines and the like, unlike the Elite.

I love what they are doing with Julia Hart. Her character and how engrossed she is with it, her music is awesome. I really hope that they have her beat Statlander at WrestleDream. Girl deserves a title.

[Lock Jaw]

RVD sucks but gotta give mad props to him for coasting on his ECW run/rep to make a further decades long career through several companies. Don't know if there has been a coaster as successful as him.

[Evil Vito]

I had a blast at Dynamite/Rampage Grand Slam and watching back today I felt like the shows came together really well on TV.

And then Collision was really good too. Especially made me happy to see the Workhorsemen get some actual love from the crowd even though 90% of them understandably had no idea who those dudes were when the match started.

WrestleDream card seems to have numerous bangers lined up

Good time to be a fan

[Mr. Nerfect]

Chris Jericho is great at coasting.

[Lock Jaw]

Real shame what has become of him... I was still greatly enjoying him in WWE at the end, and had him up in one of my top favs of all time.

Feel like he has been tarnished a lot by his current work....

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jericho’s been pretty bad since about 2016.

[Lock Jaw]

I knew you'd say that, but I was still greatly enjoying all the list of Jericho and "drink it in, maaaaaaan" stuff

[Mr. Nerfect]

A lot of people seemed to enjoy it. That’s fair enough. I thought it was hot garbage lol.

[Evil Vito]

Danielson vs. Christian main event this week was excellent

[Lock Jaw]

Christian carrying the company on his back right now...

[Splaya]

A lot of people seemed to enjoy it. That’s fair enough. I thought it was hot garbage lol.

I bet you didn't even watch Troll

[Mr. Nerfect]

I bet you didn't even watch Troll

:wtf:

You’ve really got yourself into knots because I didn’t like the Edge debut, huh? Well, he might not be there much longer:

Dave is reporting Edge and Starks already have legit heat with each other over some unscripted insults in their promo.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They COULD be working it, because at this point angles that bury the company can’t hurt…right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is it true that they’re adding Tony Shiavone to the Collision commentary team? Kevin Kelly was one of the best parts of the show.

[xrodmuc316]

I bet you didn't even watch Troll

I have never watched this either ;)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Troll_%282022%29.jpeg

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think I’ve seen Troll.

[XL]

Every time you look in the mirror!

[XL]

GOTCHAMANIA IS RUNNIN’ WILD, BROTHER!!!

[Evil Vito]

I absolutely love Nigel on commentary. He's such a classic heel commentator, maybe the best at it since late '90s Lawler.

It's not just supporting the heels, it's that he actually buys the heels' motives and narratives and sells it with no sense of irony. Like Christian making a "sizable donation" to Nick Wayne's mom.

[xrodmuc316]

So AEW hyped up Tiny Khan announcing a "Dream Match" for Collision, and the dream match is Danielson vs Andrade??? A random throwaway match and rematch from 2018 Smackdown... Tiny is such a creative and genius booker!

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Don’t promote things as dream matches. It builds expectations too much and trivializes the concept. This is an exhibition match between two great talents being misused in a struggling vanity promotion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why is this even happening? Aren’t they both babyfaces? What is the goal of either guy? Who is actually going to get something out of this? We know that they were great wrestlers in WWE already.

And I haven’t really been paying too close attention, but it seems like Danielson is the one getting the push whilst Andrade’s had dried up without Punk around. So it doesn’t even have the added stakes of you even being unsure of who is going to win. TK could always throw Andrade’s heel group back together and take a step back for no reason, but this is major flaw in what he does.

Wouldn’t it have been better to do something like Copeland & Danielson vs. Christian’s Sons for story reasons? Christian can be on commentary, Starks & Big Bill watching. The heels can get involved after the finish, FTR could do something with a save and even tease something with Edge.

This shit writes itself better than TK writes it.

[xrodmuc316]

They sold about 2400 tickets for this Collision. Tony Khan booked a 19,000 seat arena for 2400 people to come and chant "Whoop That Trick" within the first 5 minutes.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Mce5s7dswQ/hq720.jpg

[Sepholio]

Andrade vs Danielson IS a dream match though. In a "Holy shit Andrade is getting a real match instead of wasting away in catering! Am I dreaming!?" kind of way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They sold about 2400 tickets for this Collision. Tony Khan booked a 19,000 seat arena for 2400 people to come and chant "Whoop That Trick" within the first 5 minutes.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Mce5s7dswQ/hq720.jpg

Lol are they really doing NXT chants at AEW shows?

Also, that number is embarrassing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when Dave Meltzer used to say that attendance reflected the true health of a promotion? That was when it was convenient to use it to rag on WCW in the late 90s or WWE in the 10s. Probably not fair to use that on AEW tho.

[Sepholio]

I can tell you exactly what Meltzer would say to that: BUT WEMBLEY

[xrodmuc316]

Lol are they really doing NXT chants at AEW shows?

Also, that number is embarrassing.

Yep, they did it a 2nd time a bit later as well.

[xrodmuc316]

I can tell you exactly what Meltzer would say to that: BUT WEMBLEY

The Wembley where they all lied about attendance :rofl::rofl::rofl:

https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=139774

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can tell you exactly what Meltzer would say to that: BUT WEMBLEY

Which certainly didn’t sell as many tickets as it did because it’s the first wrestling show in that building since ‘92. And fans thinking they might actually do something big for the show.

I’m sure Dave has to acknowledge that their attendance is poor. Well, I should say I know he has. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if he moves on from it very quickly and doesn’t link it to the actual health of the promotion like he would encourage people to do for absolutely every other wrestling entity ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Wembley where they all lied about attendance :rofl::rofl::rofl:

https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=139774

That very quickly became “Well when WWE does it it’s ok” when WWE has actually been called out on attendance lies forever. It actually seems to be a lot of people’s “gateway myth” that gets busted when they become a smart mark.

No one was surprised that Wembley “did well.” Wasn’t shocking to hear that Tony and scalpers bought up a lot of the tickets too. But what will be interesting is how their return business in the UK does. I can see a second show doing alright because “there’s no way the second one would also suck…right?” Third one? Nah.

But it was an interesting comparison Cornette and Last drew between AEW’s attendance and WCCW’s. This shit is dropping off FAST, but for some reason it isn’t a story nor is it going to be linked to any malpractice by Tony Khan or AEW themselves.

[Evil Vito]

It was an honor and a privilege to see Omega vs MJF live. Holy fuck what a great match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol