NBA Offseason Topic

[BCWWF]

I know this might be a bit early, but the season is essentially done, and a lot of big names are going to be moving around this summer.


I heard a rumored trade Wally Szczerbiak and Michael Olowokandi for Allen Iverson. That would be crazy but I don't know how reliable it is.

I don't think that T-Mac will stick with the Magic, no matter what, and I think that will be better for the Magic. I could see him going to Phoenix.

I don't see Latrell Sprewell going to San Antonio, the only other team really looking at him, because he would have to take a huge paycut and he has no reason to leave.

I think Troy Hudson will come back to the Timberwolves, at least he sounds like he wants to.

Kobe Bryant is not leaving the Lakers.

Rasheed Wallace should stay with the Pistons, how crazy would they be if they signed Theo Ratliff...

Will Vlade Divacs retire?

More questions etc to be discussed, start going...

[AlphaBean]

T-Hud of course will say he wants to stay here. He won't even NEGOTIATE an extension, but he wants to stay here.

So he will sign for a lot more money to play somewhere else with no chance of a championship... Unless he signs with the Lakers, which is feasible if they lose either or BOTH of their PGs... they would want the player who rocked them last year to keep him away from Minnesota.

Iverson is what Reusse wants. I dunno. 35% from the field, injured half the time. He could be a great asset, but he could be Cassell... lead us to the playoffs and watch us get eliminated. I don't want that. Plus I mean, how many attitudes can Flip control? I think the two biggest cancers to the Wolves team are Wally and Kandi, so that would be a good thing. :wave: you sons of bitches.

Spree will definitely stay here for his 14 million dollar contract. He'd get maybe 8 to play somewhere else, and playing with KG is definitely the place to be.

So are you saying Phil Jackson is gone from LA?

Ratliff with the Wallaces in Detroit, what the hell hahaha. That better not happen. :rant:

[CNM]

Ratliff can't sign with Detroit. First of all, he isn't a free agent. Secondly, Detroit will have to use all of their cap space to keep Sheed (or Okur if Sheed decides to move on).

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea Pistons have to try to resign Sheed...I was hearing a lot of stuff about how the NY Knicks were REALLY intrested in him...but that sorta died down after he left Portland for whatever reasons.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Spurs would give Spree good money considering how much cap space they have. I mean look how much they gave to Rasho

[DaveWadding]

Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

[The Outlaw]

Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

:|

[AlphaBean]

Don't discourage the poor unfortunate boy, Outlaw. Clap for him and give him a cookie.

Here Dave, have a medal. That joke was amazing. You rule, buddy! High five!

You are very special. :)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Those jokes are pretty terrible and people always post shit like that about Minnesota fans for some reason (Bean and BCWWF)

Pretty stupid too...Neither of you guys are posting unrealistic bullshit either. So posting stuff like that is just dumb.

[The Outlaw]

I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

[The Miz]

Dave Wadding, I try so hard to like you, but you might be the most unfunny poster ever

[AlphaBean]

I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

On one hand, I agree -- I explained why in my first post.

On the other hand... imagine what would happen if he was happy here?

I mean, remember when he was happy in Philly? My brother put it to me like this:

In 6 quarters in the finals... he scored like 70 points or something. On the Lakers. He tore them apart.

Imagine AI on a team that runs the pick and roll. Imagine him and Cassell and Spree and KG running the floor. The open jumpers. :drool:

And when AI and T-Hud are in there (if we get Hud back), they both can drive the lane, draw fouls or draw defenders in the middle.

But the problem is... no big man. Still. Love Oliver Miller, all 6'9" of him, but uh, yeah. Dunno. Detroit can stop Shaq without an elite true Center, so I guess if we just lock down the other 4 positions we'll be cool.

What's funny about outlandish trade ideas for the Wolves is... with Kevin McHale's ability as a GM and Glenn Taylor's desire to spend all of his money... just about anything is possible. :cool:

He said he wants to add one more piece in the off-season. Unfortunately, we're so above the cap that we would need to either trade or use the mid-level. Mid-level will bring us what? Actually it would get us some good shit with the talent we have here, people want to come here. HOPEFULLY. And the trade... Wally and Kandi would be sweet. Wally wants to start, but he was better on the bench. Kandi... needs to get the fuck out...

So whether it's AI or someone else, I'm all for it. Too bad about the Bulls. Jerry Krause used to have THE BIGGEST HARD ON for Wally. We coulda picked up like, Crawford and Curry or something. Or a draft pick. It would have been nice.

[BCWWF]

The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore.

I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better.

Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fu</>cking everything up :lol:

[The Dub]

The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore.

I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better.

Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fu</>cking everything up :lol:
I don't think that Szczerbiak and Olowokandi would be enough to lure Iverson away from Philly. I have heard some rumors of an Iverson-Baron Davis trade or an Iverson-Francis trade.

The Lakers are better off with Fisher starting again and Payton needs to check his ego and realize that he ain'g got it no more.

The Spurs shouldn't give Spree anything. They need to re-sign Manu and maybe a scorer to come off the bench, since that is what killed them against L.A. They played great defense, but they couldn't take advantage because Parker was shut down after Game 2. A back-up PG not named Charlie Ward could help too.

[BCWWF]

I forgot about that, I've heard those Baron Davis rumors also, and personally I think they would make more sense for the 76ers.

I think teams in the East need to recognize why the Pistons are good, and understand that no other team in the East is capable of doing what they are, because they have good big men. The East needs to draw some of the big men from the West to compete.

[The Show Off]

All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do.

If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this...

C - Keon Clark
PF - Amare Stotumire
SF - Shawn Marion
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Milosh Vulonic

If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together....

Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together...

Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.

[The Miz]

*PG - Steve Nash

[AlphaBean]

Baron Davis will give the Sixers another injury-prone leader, and the Francis trade will bring in another spoiled brat.

That makes the Francis deal highly stupid for the Sixers... and the Davis deal stupid for the Hornets. You need health. If your stars stayed healthy you'd have a very competitive squad right thurr.

Baron and Mash and Wesley :love:

[The Icon of Elisim]

Am I the only person who could see Memphis as a candidate to land Kobe? Strong team already with Jerry West in the front office

[DaveWadding]

All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do.

If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this...

C - Keon Clark
PF - Amare Stotumire
SF - Shawn Marion
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Milosh Vulonic

If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together....

Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together...

Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.
Vuljanic won't be needed if we resign Stevie N., Dyess and Clark are FAs, and both are terrible anyways.

[CNM]

The Suns won't have enough $ to sign Kobe unless they convince someone to take Jahidi White off their hands.

[CNM]

TIOE: I think Jerry West came out recently and basically said the Grizz have no shot at signing Kobe.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

in 2000, there was a trade rumor of AI to MIN for KG and Wally. Believe it, it would have been the best trade for my Sixers

But to be serious for a moment..... Don't be surprised if Detriot trades for Derrick Coleman, because LARRY BROWN IS DERRICK COLEMAN'S GAY LOVER. Only reason Coleman wasnt the Sixers before their run at the crown was Pat Croce. Once Croce left and didnt have the authority over Brown.... Coleman came back.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

By the way..........

ALLEN IVERSON IS NOT LEAVING THE PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

He is staying put. He is still the centerpiece of this team. Hopefully, the FO can put something together to get something around him.

I want Derek Fisher. He is the only Laker I personally like. We (76ers) need to get YOUNGER, FASTER and BIGGER.

[BCWWF]

Sam Dalembert played well at the end of last season, and last I heard the new 76ers coach didn't want to give up AI, so add some players and maybe...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Steve Nash is going to the Suns? Really? I havent really heard too much about this at all

Surprised Cuban wouldnt have already taken care of this

[CNM]

It's a rumor. He's said he'll consider the Suns. That's about it.

[BCWWF]

The Suns need a center

[DaveWadding]

The Suns need a center
Welcome to every season since 1968.

[Splaya]

Kobe will elave the Lakers for one reason and one reason only: his ego. He wants to be the Michael Jordon of a team. He wants to be the hero, the go to guy. He might be that in LA right now, but not really. In LA he will always have to contest with Shaq. It's sad really. I'd rather put the ball in the hands of Kobe rahter than Shaq with say 5 seconds left and your down by 2.

[The Outlaw]

Splaya, you obviously have no basketball knowledge whatsoever and I kindly ask you to never reply in an NBA thread again.

[BCWWF]

LO mothafukin L

[DaveWadding]

Here's the lists for the expansion draft:

ATLANTA HAWKS
Protected
Jason Terry
Boris Diaw
Travis Hansen
Chris Crawford
Stephen Jackson

Unprotected
Alan Henderson
Free Agents
Jason Collier
Michael Bradley
Obinna Ekezie
Mamadou N'diaye
Wesley Person
Joel Przybilla
Zeljko Rebraca
Bob Sura
Jacque Vaughn

BOSTON CELTICS
Protected
Paul Pierce
Ricky Davis
Raef LaFrentz
Kendrick Perkins
Marcus Banks
Jiri Welsch
Walter McCarty
Chris Mihm

Unprotected
Michael Stewart
Brandon Hunter
Chucky Atkins
Jumaine Jones

Free Agents
Mark Blount
Dana Barros

CHICAGO BULLS
Protected
Eddy Curry
Jamal Crawford
Kirk Hinrich
Tyson Chandler
Linton Johnson
Jannero Pargo
Chris Jefferies
Paul Shirley

Unprotected
Antonio Davis
Jerome Williams
Eddie Robinson
Marcus Fizer
Scottie Pippen

Free Agents
Ronald Dupree
Kendall Gill

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Protected
LeBron James
Carlos Boozer
Dajuan Wagner
Jeff McInnis
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
DeSagna Diop
Tony Battie

Unprotected
Kevin Ollie
Ira Newble
Kedrick Brown
Jason Kapono

Free Agents
Eric Williams
Lee Nailon
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Protected
Dirk Nowitzki
Josh Howard
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Antoine Walker
Marquis Daniels
Jon Stefansson
Eduardo Najera

Unprotected
Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Tony Delk
Shawn Bradley
Danny Fortson

Free Agents
Steve Nash
Travis Best
Scott Williams

DENVER NUGGETS
Protected
Carmelo Anthony
Andre Miller
Earl Boykins
Francisco Elson
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Nene
Voshon Lenard
Chris Andersen

Unprotected
Jeff Trepagnier

Free Agents
Jon Barry
Marcus Camby
Michael Doleac
Mark Pope

DETROIT PISTONS (FINALS)

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Protected
Speedy Claxton
Jason Richardson
Mickael Pietrus
Mike Dunleavy
Troy Murphy
Clifford Robinson
Erick Dampier
Evan Eschmeyer

Unprotected
Nick Van Exel
Popeye Jones

Free Agents
J.R. Bremer
Brian Cardinal
Calbert Cheaney
Adonal Foyle
Avery Johnson

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Protected
Steve Francis
Yao Ming
Jim Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Maurice Taylor
Eric Piatkowski
Adrian Griffin
Bostjan Nachbar

Unprotected
Clarence Weatherspoon

Free Agents
Mark Jackson
Scott Padgett
Mike Wilks

INDIANA PACERS
Protected
Jermaine O'Neal
Ron Artest
Jonathan Bender
Jeff Foster
Al Harrington
Fred Jones
Jamaal Tinsley
Austin Croshere

Unprotected
Reggie Miller
Primoz Brezec
Anthony Johnson
James Jones
Scot Pollard

Free Agents
Kenny Anderson
Jamison Brewer

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Protected
Elton Brand
Corey Maggette
Chris Kaman
Predrag Drobnjak
Chris Wilcox
Melvin Ely
Eddie House
Quentin Richardson

Unprotected
Marco Jaric

Free Agents
Matt Barnes
Keyon Dooling
Josh Moore
Doug Overton
Bobby Simmons
LOS ANGELES LAKERS (FINALS)

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Protected
Pau Gasol
James Posey
Shane Battier
Jason Williams
Mike Miller
Stromile Swift
Lorenzen Wright
Theron Smith

Unprotected
Bonzi Wells
Earl Watson
Troy Bell
Dahntay Jones
Bo Outlaw
Jake Tsakalidis
Ryan Humphrey

MIAMI HEAT
Protected
Lamar Odom
Dwyane Wade
Caron Butler
Udonis Haslem
Malik Allen
Brian Grant
Eddie Jones
Wang Zhizhi

Unprotected
Jerome Beasley

Free Agents
Rafer Alston
Rasual Butler
Bimbo Coles
John Wallace
Samaki Walker
Loren Woods

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Protected
Michael Redd
T.J. Ford
Desmond Mason
Marcus Haislip
Daniel Santiago
Dan Gadzuric
Keith Van Horn
Joe Smith

Unprotected
Erick Strickland

Free Agents
Damon Jones
Brevin Knight
Toni Kukoc

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Protected
Kevin Garnett
Latrell Sprewell
Ervin Johnson
Mark Madsen
Sam Cassell
Michael Olowokandi
Wally Sczcerbiak

Unprotected
Ndudi Ebi

Free Agents
Trenton Hassell
Fred Hoiberg
Troy Hudson
Darrick Martin
Oliver Miller
Gary Trent

NEW JERSEY NETS
Protected
Jason Kidd
Zoran Planinic
Aaron Williams
Brian Scalabrine
Richard Jefferson
Lucious Harris
Jason Collins
Brandon Armstrong

Unprotected
Kerry Kittles
Alonzo Mourning
Rodney Rogers
Tamar Slay

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Protected
Baron Davis
David West
Jamaal Magloire
P.J. Brown
David Wesley
George Lynch
Darrell Armstrong
Courtney Alexander

Unprotected
Jamal Mashburn

Free Agents
Stacey Augmon
Shammond Williams
Robert Traylor
Steve Smith
Maurice Carter

NEW YORK KNICKS
Protected
Stephon Marbury
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Nazr Mohammed
Frank Williams
Mike Sweetney
Al Harrington
Cezary Trybanski

Unprotected
Allan Houston
Penny Hardaway
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Dikembe Mutombo

Free Agents
Vin Baker

ORLANDO MAGIC
Protected
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Juwan Howard
Drew Gooden
Pat Garrity
Andrew DeClercq
Keith Bogans
Steven Hunter

Unprotected
DeShawn Stevenson
Reece Gaines
Zaza Pachulia
Britton Johnson

Free Agents
Derrick Dial

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Protected
Allen Iverson
Eric Snow
John Salmons
Kenny Thomas
Samuel Dalembert
Marc Jackson
Kyle Korver
Willie Green

Unprotected
Derrick Coleman
Greg Buckner
Aaron McKie
Glenn Robinson
Todd MacCulloch

PHOENIX SUNS
Protected
Shawn Marion
Amare Stoudemire
Joe Johnson
Maciej Lampe
Zarko Cabarkapa
Leandrinho Barbosa
Casey Jacobsen
Jake Voskuhl

Unprotected
Howard Eisley
Jahidi White

Free Agents
Keon Clark
Donnell Harvey
Antonio McDyess

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Protected
Zach Randolph
Dale Davis
Damon Stoudemire
Derek Anderson
Darius Miles
Theo Ratliff
Ruben Patterson
Travis Outlaw

Unprotected
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Omar Cook
Dan Dickau
Eddie Gill
Qyntel Woods
Vladimir Stepania

Free Agents
Desmond Ferguson

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Protected
Peja Stojakovic
Brad Miller
Chris Webber
Darius Songaila
Mike Bibby
Doug Christie
Bobby Jackson
Gerald Wallace

Unprotected
Anthony Peeler

Free Agents
Rodney Buford
Vlade Divac
Tony Massenburg
Jabari Smith

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Protected
Radoslav Nesterovic
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Devin Brown
Robert Horry
Malik Rose
Bruce Bowen

Unprotected
Charlie Ward

Free Agents
Emanuel Ginobili
Matt Carroll
Alex Garcia
Jason Hart
Sean Marks
Hidayet Tukoglu
Kevin Willis

SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Protected
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis
Vladimir Radmanovic
Luke Ridnour
Nick Collison
Ronald Murray
Antonio Daniels
Reggie Evans

Unprotected
Richie Frahm
Jerome James
Calvin Booth
Vitaly Potapenko

Free Agents
Brent Barry
Ansu Sesay
Leon Smith

TORONTO RAPTORS
Protected
Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Jalen Rose
Alvin Williams
Jerome Moiso
Donyell Marshall
Roger Mason, Jr.
Milt Palacio

Unprotected
Lamond Murray
UTAH JAZZ
Protected
Matt Harpring
Andrei Kirilenko
Sasha Pavlovic
Raul Lopez
Mo Williams
Raja Bell
Unprotected
Curtis Borchardt

Free Agents
Carlos Arroyo
Jarron Collins
Gordan Giricek
Tom Gugliotta
Mikki Moore
Greg Ostertag
Michael Ruffin

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Protected
Gilbert Arenas
Kwame Brown
Jarvis Hayes
Jared Jefferies
Larry Hughes
Brendan Haywood
Etan Thomas
Steve Blake

Unprotected
Juan Dixon
Jerry Stackhouse
Christian Laettner

Free Agents
Lonny Baxter
Mitchell Butler
Chris Whitney

[BCWWF]

I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson

[DaveWadding]

I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Protected
Ervin Johnson
Guess your assumption is wrong.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Damn lots of good players available. What exactly are the rules again? I just forget the number of players that can go and such

[AlphaBean]

Shit, I'd rather let Kandi go.

My bro thinks Kandi will have a better season next year, but I dunno. I was on his side when everyone else was against him. He proved me wrong, and I hate looking the fool. :(

[DaveWadding]

SUMMARY OF EXPANSION DRAFT RULES <!--<table width="200" align="right"><tr><td>/media/bobcats/expansion_logo.gif</td></tr></table>-->

A. Player Selection

The Charlotte Bobcats Expansion Draft will take place on June 22 (if the NBA Finals extend to seven games, it will be June 23), prior to the 2004 NBA Draft on June 24.

The Bobcats will select a minimum of 14 players who are under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season.

The Bobcats may select no more than one player from each team.

The Bobcats can only select players that are left unprotected by an NBA team.

Each of the 29 NBA teams may protect a maximum of eight players on its roster who are under contract or are restricted free agents at the conclusion of the 2003-04 season.

Each of the 29 NBA teams will designate the players on its roster who are eligible for selection by the Bobcats.

Each of the 29 NBA teams must designate at least one player on its roster to be eligible for selection by the Bobcats, even if the team does not have eight players under contract or as restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season.

Any player under contract selected by the Bobcats will immediately be placed on the Bobcats roster.

Any eligible restricted free agent selected by the Bobcats shall immediately become an unrestricted free agent.

Unrestricted free agents are not eligible to be protected nor are they eligible to be selected by the Bobcats.
B. Pre-Expansion Draft Trades


Teams will be permitted to enter into pre-Expansion Draft trades in which Charlotte agrees to select or not select certain unprotected players.
C. Salary Cap


Charlotte will be permitted to select players in the Expansion Draft without regard to the Salary Cap.

Charlotte will have a Salary Cap in its first season equal to 66% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league and a Salary Cap in its second season equal to 75% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league.

Charlotte will be permitted to sign any restricted free agent it selects in the Expansion Draft using the same “Bird,” “Early Bird” or “Non-Bird” Exception that the player’s prior team would have had.

Compensation paid to a selected player under a contract protected for lack of skill will be excluded from Charlotte’s Team Salary if the player’s contract is terminated (via the waiver procedure) prior to the start of the 2004-05 season.

A team with a Team Salary above the Salary Cap will receive a Trade Exception to replace a player (other than a restricted free agent) selected from its unprotected list.
D. Post-Expansion Draft Transactions


A team will not be permitted to reacquire a player that it loses in the Expansion Draft prior to the expiration of one year from the date of the Expansion Draft, unless the player is waived and not claimed by any other team.
PULLED FROM NBA.COM

[The Icon of Elisim]

Well IMO the 14 best unprotected players available are

Nick Van Exel
Marco Jaric
Bonzi Wells
Earl Watson
Ndudi Ebi
Kerry Kittles
Jamal Mashburn
Allan Houston
Reece Gaines
Glenn Robinson
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Gordan Giricek
Jerry Stackhouse
Jerome Williams

[BCWWF]

Are those official? I thought they were just some projections that you pulled out of your ass. :oops:

[DaveWadding]

Actually, TIOE, Giricek is a UFA, he can't be picked.

[AlphaBean]

The Bobcats should pick up Antonio Davis, Mark Jackson and Reggie Miller.

Aw yeah.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Oh in that case I'd add Antonio Davis or Lammond Murray

[BCWWF]

I don't know what that was of Dave Waddings, but according to the Minneapolis paper, Kandi and Ervin Johnson are the ones going to be left unprotected.

[The Show Off]

It's a rumor. He's said he'll consider the Suns. That's about it.

I never heard of that rumor... That'd be cool, he did start his career with the Suns and I liked him then, since then he's turned into one of the 5 best point guards in the NBA.

[BCWWF]

I just thought of something that would be crazy, but I wouldn't neccessarily throw it out...

I always thought Shaq was going to stay in LA even in both Kobe and Phil didn't, but it is looking like he might not anymore, well how crazy would it be if they traded his contract back to Orlando? Then instead of Okafor you draft Gordon or some pimp guard, damn.

[AlphaBean]

I just thought of something that would be crazy, but I wouldn't neccessarily throw it out...

I always thought Shaq was going to stay in LA even in both Kobe and Phil didn't, but it is looking like he might not anymore, well how crazy would it be if they traded his contract back to Orlando? Then instead of Okafor you draft Gordon or some pimp guard, damn.

You think the Magic have enough TALENT to give the Lakers?

Nah, I'm pretty sure #1 would go to Los Angeles for Shaq, and next year's #1 too. Maybe one more. This is Shaq, man!

And I bet the Lakers would cream themselves to get Okafor. Try emulating the team that destroyed you, starting with the short defensive dynamo at Center. Then they would try signing T-Hud (a pg who wanted to start so he left the Wolves) keep Kobe, the athletic 2-guard... keep malone, or trade players to Sacto for Webber, or get Sheed... to make up the elite PF position... but how are you going to emulate Tayshaun? He's the man, the Lakers might just try to emulate the 'Melo thing and get a forward, maybe just let Rush "fill in the gap" until next year's draft when they can get a long dude in the top 10, since the Magic will still suck with Shaq... they're not a team I see winning ever.

[The Miz]

Shaq called Orlando a dump once

[The Miz]

ESPN.com reports that Shaq & T-Mac have demanded trades, and Phil is officially out.

[BCWWF]

God damnit, I just wrote a huge thing, pressed back, came back forward and now its gone :damn:

[AlphaBean]

ESPN.com reports that Shaq & T-Mac have demanded trades, and Phil is officially out.

Spre Ervin Johnson and our 1st round pick for T-Mac...

Sam Kandi a future 1st round pick and Wally for Shaq...

:lol:

Shaq KG T-Mac T-Hud and uh, Hassell/Hoiberg :cool:

That's a team right thurrrrrrrrr.

:wavesad:

[AlphaBean]

Wait, Sam and Wally are more trade bait...

Hmm...

Well put those players together with two picks, even them out, and then give the Wolves T-Mac and Shaq. :D

DaveWadding would like them trades.

[DaveWadding]

Grizz are getting new jerseys...

http://www.mistilynn.com/temp/grizzlies-1.jpg

http://www.mistilynn.com/temp/grizzlies-2.jpg

[AlphaBean]

IT'S ABOUT TIME!

God, I hate teams that switch jerseys after being in the league for like 10 years. What the hell? :nono:

:shifty:

[The Miz]

horrible. looks like a college jersey

[DaveWadding]

IT'S ABOUT TIME!

God, I hate teams that switch jerseys after being in the league for like 10 years. What the hell? :nono:

:shifty:
This is their 2nd set of new jerseys.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Kinda remind of the Cavs from a few years ago

[AlphaBean]

Five more years till they get new ones.

Man I love sporting my throwback KG jersey. Pastel blue bubble letters, with the cute little puppy on them. :love:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Celtics have had the same jersey for 58 years lol

I love it

[BCWWF]

Yeah but the Celtics jerseys are classic.

I wish more teams used cool uniforms, not just in basketball

[Lotus]

That new Grizzlies' jersey beats the hell out of their previous ones. I personally think their first jersey (the Vancouver one), was fuckin' tight.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Shaq for T-Mac?

[Ninti the Mad]

Why the fu</>ck is Ginobili on the free agent list and Robert Horry "protected"?

THat is disturbing.

[The Miz]

Houston gets:
Tracy McGrady
Juwan Howard

Orlando gets:
Steve Francis
Cuttion Mobley
Kelvin Cato


WTF!?!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

TMac and Yao :eek:

[The Icon of Elisim]

Well Houston needs to get ride of Francis and Mobley but TMac still isn't the right player for the system

They really needed a true point guard and a quality 2 or 3 who knows how to share the ball. TMac is a great player but all that they've basically done is put the problems they had with Francis and Mobley and put it into one player.

[The Outlaw]

Also, looks like the Bobcats will get either Okafor or Howard, depending on who goes #1 in the draft.

They got the clippers #2 pick.

BTW, Houston would get Tyronn Lue as well.

[BCWWF]

Orlando needs to take Okafor.

I like to think that the Wolves could get Shaq for Spre, Kandi, and a first round pick, but thats just really, really optimistic

[The Icon of Elisim]

Orlando needs to take Okafor.

I like to think that the Wolves could get Shaq for Spre, Kandi, and a first round pick, but thats just really, really optimistic

I don't think that optimistic is the right word. I would've gone with impossible or absurd since the Wolves don't have a first round pick.

[BCWWF]

Ugh, the guys on Sportscentre keep saying "Well when your nickname is the Franchise you better be good enough to yada yada yada"

His name is Franchise because it sounds like Francis, not because he is the Franchise player of the NBA, Stuart :mad:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I am hearing its a done deal as long as the Bobcats dont pick up J. Howard in the expansion draft

[The Outlaw]

I am hearing its a done deal as long as the Bobcats dont pick up J. Howard in the expansion draft

As long as they don't pick up any of the guys in the trade besides T-Mac and Francis, as they are protected.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought Howard was the only unprotected one?

[The Outlaw]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1825839

There's the full low down

That's what they're reporting anyway

[BCWWF]

I thought Howard was the only unprotected one?

[AlphaBean]

I don't think that optimistic is the right word. I would've gone with impossible or absurd since the Wolves don't have a first round pick.


This is the last year of the "example making" period, or the "sanctions" against the "Pete Rose" of the NBA. :roll:

You can trade draft picks up to like 5 years in the future. I think I've seen some picks traded even further, when they're conditional.

Like Darko... who was it, the Grizzlies or the Raptors missed out on #2 because if it was #3 or lower? Something like that. The NBA draft pick trading situation is messed up.

Either way, if the Mavs get Shaq I'm going to not enjoy basketball. Mark Cuban is the biggest douchebag in the history of sports.

I bet he's going to work his ass off to become the commissioner of the NBA and then destroy it out of spite, because jocks used to beat the shit out of him for being an obnoxious nerd in high school.

[BCWWF]

I am actually a fan of Mark Cuban for the most part.

Honestly, if I was him I wouldn't be so intent on holding onto Dirk. They could easilly work with a Dirk for Shaq, throw in some draft picks or shitty players. I could see Dirk on the Lakers. Dirk doesn't help Dallas' inside game, he is easily expandable, but Cuban obviously is in love with him.

Shaq-Walker-Jaimison-Finley-Nash (they would have to get him back)

I think they would be better off with that than with Dirk in there.

[AlphaBean]

I am actually a fan of Mark Cuban for the most part.

Honestly, if I was him I wouldn't be so intent on holding onto Dirk. They could easilly work with a Dirk for Shaq, throw in some draft picks or shitty players. I could see Dirk on the Lakers. Dirk doesn't help Dallas' inside game, he is easily expandable, but Cuban obviously is in love with him.

Shaq-Walker-Jaimison-Finley-Nash (they would have to get him back)

I think they would be better off with that than with Dirk in there.

What about the two 2nd-year players to go with it?

But yeah, I heard Dirk might be going.

However, I'll kick your ass if you root for Dallas. :rant:

[The Miz]

Antoine Walker is horrible

[BCWWF]

However, I'll kick your ass if you root for Dallas. :rant:

I would kick my own ass if I rooted for Dallas.

I'm just saying that I always hear that Cuban will do anything to get Shaq except lose Dirk, and I'm saying you don't even need Dirk.

[BCWWF]

Antoine Walker is horrible

He was good early in the year and then everything went downhill because Dallas has like 5 three point shooting power forwards, but if you have a dominant paint presence and then let Antoine get 8 boards a game, he'd be pretty effective.

[The Outlaw]

I read the paper today, Cuban said Dirk is about the closest to untouchable that he gets.

T-Mac had a comment that went like this "Me and the Big Fella are trying to make it to Dallas together now" referring to Shaq.

Obviously Shaq and T-Mac are huge buddies and want to play together, but I don't know if I see that happening.

Cuban also commented and said he would be willing to package Jamison-Walker-Finley in some combination to get Shaq.

[Crimson]

Wow wouldn't that be something. I think either Shaq or Kobe will stay, but I don't think both are gonna leave. After one goes , the other will probably settle.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The Bobcats selections are as follows.

F Lonny Baxter* Washington
G J.R. Bremer* Golden State
C Primoz Brezec Indiana
G Maurice Carter* New Orleans
C Predrag Drobnjak L.A. Clippers
F Desmond Ferguson* Portland
F Marcus Fizer* Chicago
G Richie Frahm* Seattle
F Brandon Hunter Boston
F Jason Kapono Cleveland
F-C Zaza Pachulia Orlando
F Aleksandar Pavlovic Utah
F Jamal Sampson L.A. Lakers
G Tamar Slay* New Jersey
F Theron Smith Memphis
G Jeff Trepagnier* Denver
F Gerald Wallace Sacramento
C Jahidi White Phoenix
C Loren Woods* Miami

[The Miz]

I know they don't want to draft big contracts, but they shouldve picked at least one marquee player.

[The Miz]

Also why did they waste their time picking 19, like 5 of those guys are going to be on the team next year

[BCWWF]

Yeah, ESPN said only about 7 of those guys will be on the team next year.

Also, I think that expansion teams have a limited salary cap, less than the rest of the league, which is probably why they didn't take any guys with big contracts. Otherwise they could just wind up with a rich owner and pull in Kobe and all of the other marquee free agents

[BCWWF]

I heard on FSN that the latest rumor was Wally Szczerbiak for Tony Battie, I think two more guys, and a first round draft pick. Any thoughts?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn it they took Hunter :mad:

He was a beast on the boards for the few games he played in

Also Antoine Walker is not terrible. Aslong as he keeps his head in the game and doesn't start jacking up too many 3 pointers he is pretty effective scorer

[The Miz]

He didnt keep his head in the game and jacked up way too many 3s with dallas :o

[BCWWF]

No matter what, the Mavs need to get rid of one of their perimeter power forwards, Dirk or Antoine. Sure Antoine is the ideal one to get rid of for marketing and skill and everything, but if you can get Shaq for Dirk, you can't say no to that

[The Miz]

Antoine Walker is completely useless to the Mavs. Just what they didnt need, another scorer who cant play D

[AlphaBean]

I heard on FSN that the latest rumor was Wally Szczerbiak for Tony Battie, I think two more guys, and a first round draft pick. Any thoughts?

If the Wolves can find a way to pick up Humphries, that would be the greatest trade ever. Esp. for marketing.

All the racist idiots in MN think Wally is the shit. Imagine when we get the local white boy who is thought to be the next Malone... who matched Okafor for strongest player in the draft... :drool:

Whatever it takes, we need to get Humphries. :D

[The Dub]

Grizz are getting new jerseys...

http://www.mistilynn.com/temp/grizzlies-1.jpg

http://www.mistilynn.com/temp/grizzlies-2.jpg

It's about time! And why is James Posey wearing Pau Gasol's number?

[DaveWadding]

It's about time! And why is James Posey wearing Pau Gasol's number?
Because he's modeling the jersey?

[DaveWadding]

BTW, I'm hearing a rumor TMac to Phoenix for Matrix, another player (supposively Casey Jacobsen), and the #7 pick.

I will fuck Jerry Colangelo's brains out if he swings it.

[BCWWF]

I heard the same things as Dave, and I would rather keep Marion than take up T-Mac.

[AlphaBean]

lol, I thought T-Mac wanted to play for a contender. :nono:

[BCWWF]

Kris Humphreys, nah. It wouldn't be bad to try to get him, the hometown guy, big man, all that, but I don't think its very important. We definately have more use for Wally than we would with Humphreys. Wally is a high percentage shooter, and probably the biggest fan favorite behind KG.

Its almost rediculous that you even mention the names Kris Humphreys and Karl Malone in the same sentence. Kris Humphreys had totally inflated stats because he lead a last place Gophers team in scoring and rebounding, but what do you expect Adam Boone to do that? Their whole offense ran through him, everytime they got the ball they would go to him, and he ended with solid stats for that kind of a gameplan, except he had like 1 assist every two games. His ball control isn't very good, and he thrived on playing the poor competition.

The Timberwolves already have an undersized white power forward in Madsen, and Madsen is a lot more of a team player than Kris would be. He is all about himself, arrogant, and just a huge d-bag everyone who knew him tells me. If he is going to thrive in the NBA, its going to be in the East, because his size will be an advantage there, so Boston will be a good choice. If that is their plan, the worst part is that we would be taking him 10th overall, he is projected to go in the 20's, and he is the kind of guy who is going to try to force the maximum contract possible. The last thing we need is a guy used to dominating (he was everything in Hopkins and then again at the U) now coming off the bench and making little impact.

Humphreys isn't a fan favorite in Minnesota, he's not even white as you said, it would be a huge mistake to draft him, especially that early while losing such a good talent in Wally.

[The Miz]

Washington gets:
Antawn Jamison F

Dallas gets:
Jerry Stackhouse G
Christian Laettner F
5th overall pick in 2004 NBA Draft

I'm guessing Dallas will ship all 3 and Antoine Walker for Shaq?

[BCWWF]

I had to check to make sure thats true, and it is (not questioning you, but I just wasn't sure if it was just speculation). There was also some other deal involving Phoenix and Chicago and draft picks, but nobody cares.

Anyway, I am surprised, I thought Jaimison was a good guy to have in Dallas, and why would you ever take on Stackhouse and Laettner? Is Finley a FA, or is there a different reason they are getting Stackhouse? I guess he could play SF, but even so. They need a point guard and they need Shaq, I can't imagine they want to keep Stackhouse, but I don't see LA wanting him either, so I guess we'll see.

[The Miz]

The Phoenix-Chicago deals pretty much puts the McGrady-Marion deal off

[The Outlaw]

So Lakers will have the 5th pick then going by that? Of course with all the IF's involved.

Suns traded away their 7th pick in the draft to the Bulls, and I'm hearing this probably push them away from TMac talks.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow Stackhouse really fell off...he used to be nasty now nobody he is getting shipped around

[DaveWadding]

Suns get:
Pick #31 2004
Future 1st rounder (Top 3 protected in 05, Top 1 in 06)
$3 mill in Cash

Bulls get:
Pick #7 2004

[BCWWF]

I just heard on TV that the Nets are looking to trade Jason Kidd in order to get some extra cash to pay Kenyon Martin.

I can't be the only one who thinks this is absolutely rediculous?! Martin sucks, plain and simply, and the only reason he is even moderately successful is because of Jason Kidd.

[Kid Robb]

Yeah there's no way you'd trade Kidd to keep Martin.

Put anyone with Kidd and he'll make them good.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No way the Nets are trading away Wife Beater

[BCWWF]

I've heard the rumor on both Sportscenter and I, Max, so I'm not just pulling it out of my ass.

[AlphaBean]

Heavy rotation on ESPN.com too, Kidd is probably going. On one hand, Kidd is a top-5 player in the NBA year in and year out, but then, he's old. He's still young enough to get something in return from a team who needs PG help immediately, he got injured at year's end so he might not be as good next year... these are all valid reasons for dumping him. Especially given that K-Mart is young, and I think he's a lot better than people give him credit for -- does he deserve a max contract? No. But most players who receive them do not deserve them. I like him anyway. He's tough and gritty etc. etc.

But then, Kidd could leave. If Shaq can leave, Kidd can leave.

And I'm not talking about T-Mac in the same sentence, because a team can live without T-Mac or Kobe. A Shaq or a Kidd is the heart of the team. A T-Mac or a Kobe would just be the gun in the hand, and like an A-Rod, might actually hurt the team despite being the best player on the team.

[BCWWF]

It makes sense in the age aspect, but that is the only way. Kidd singlehandedly turned that team around, when it was essentially the same team but Marbury at point they couldn't make the playoffs, add Kidd and you're in the next two years. Without Kidd, they could potentially be a 7 or 8 seed, realisticly. Kenyon Martin was a total choke when it mattered in the playoffs. IMO if they need to trade Kidd in order to sign someone, they should put their money on someone better. I forget who all are free agents, but hell even Rasheed is a better player than Kenyon. If Kenyon leaves Kidd, he will blow, he doesn't have the body or play to go against Western PF's, KG, Duncan, Weber, Dirk, etc etc would eat him up. No Western team is going to sign him for a lot of money, and if they do it will be a really shitty team. Let him test the market, find out that he's not worth that much, then either sign with them or come crying back. If he signs with them, there no reason you can't still trade Kidd, and if the team falls apart, get some draft picks for him at the trade deadline. I am not a Kenyon Martin fan.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea if you watch the Nets, they suck without Kidd in there

They like built the entire team around him, players that fit him perfectly

It just wouldn't make sense to me if they let him go

[The Outlaw]

It's official.

Houston gets:

TMac
Howard
Lue
Reece Gaines

Magic get:

Francis
Mobley
Cato

[The Miz]

Yeah Tyronn Lue!!!!!

[BCWWF]

Reece Gaines, WOOP!

[AlphaBean]

DaveWaddling must be pissing himself with glee, Kobe might end up being a Sun. :nono:

At least I can hate them again once they got rid of Marbury.

[Kid Robb]

Nash returning to the Suns for sure, so they're out of the Bryant race.

If the story about Bryant wanting Coach K to take over the Lakers is true, and he does get the job, then it'll all change entirely. There is still the matter of Shaq for the Lakers to deal with though. Without Nash as part of the deal can the Mavs still get him without giving up Dirk?

[DaveWadding]

DaveWaddling must be pissing himself with glee, Kobe might end up being a Sun. :nono:


Eh. I was gonna get a custom jersey with my own personal nickname for Kobe on the back (i.e. Rapist)

[Loose Cannon]

WOOOOOOOO, my favorite player in the NBA is now on my team. Steve Nash is officially a Sun. But I guess no Bryant. :-\

[The Outlaw]

Eh. I was gonna get a custom jersey with my own personal nickname for Kobe on the back (i.e. Rapist)

Then you would be really cool :nono:

I'm liking Nash/Amare/Marion :eek:

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, you bet the Outlaw. That's a trio. Well I have to get a new Nash jersey now since he's not on Dallas anymore. My Dallas jersey is a throwback now :cool:

[The Outlaw]

Well I have to get a new Nash jersey now since he's not on Dallas anymore. My Dallas jersey is a throwback now :cool:

Yeah same here

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Suns should back to their old uni's when Barkley was on the team. There new ones are terrible, looks like WNBA shit

[BCWWF]

I like Nash/Amare/Marion more than Kobe/Amare/Marion personally.

The Mav's are fucked, even if they do get Shaq.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Mavs arent fucked at all. They just picked up Harris in the draft, and they got already got Daniels

[BCWWF]

Harris is unproven in the NBA, and I doubt he is going to make an impact or even be ready to start this year. Now they lost an all-star point guard and are left with a power forward who can't pull down a rebound, and the only way they can get Shaq now is to move Dirk.

[AlphaBean]

Hey man, at least the Mavs have improved depth this year! :lol:

[DaveWadding]

. Steve Nash is officially a Sun.
again**

[The Miz]

What about Leandro Barbosa :(

[MoRcHeEbA]

I heard Vince Carter asked for a trade from Toronto... I say trade the bum

[The Outlaw]

lol Vince Carter

He hasnt done anything in a while has he?

[The Miz]

Carter might be the most overrated player in the nba

[The CyNick]

It would be really risky for the Raps to lose Vince without getting another upper echelon superstar in return. Not so much to replace him skill wise, but to replace his drawing ability. Toronto has very good attendance, which is amazing considering how bad the team has been over the last couple of years. And I think the reason a lot of people still buy tix is to see Vince. If he's gone it'll be interesting to see if this is really now a "basketball town" or will the Raps go the same route the Jays went and struggle to fill a quarter of the building.

In tems of building the team, I think its good to get rid of Vince. he's injury prone, he's not all that tough, and I think its clear he's not one of the top stars in the league. So if they build around Bosh and try to add some piece s (plus whatever they get for Carter) they might in a good spot in 2 years or so.

But like I said, I worry about the ticket sales, so unless we get A-I for him, I dont see the trade working out well.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Harris is unproven in the NBA, and I doubt he is going to make an impact or even be ready to start this year. Now they lost an all-star point guard and are left with a power forward who can't pull down a rebound, and the only way they can get Shaq now is to move Dirk.
Harris will be very close in the roty race, I think he'll win baring an injury

[Kid Robb]

My McGrady jersey is a throwback now :(

[DaveWadding]

My McGrady jersey is a throwback now :(
Mine is a throwback throwback. :p

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vince is the man

When he gets outta Toronto he will be back to being a star player again, watch

I have seen a lot of interviews...he has a really good attitude about everything it seems like so once he gets himself out of that bad situation up there in Toronto he will be staright

[BCWWF]

Sports Center did a thing on the various places Kobe is being offered yesterday, and although they clearly still think he is going back to the Lakers I must say that I like the Clippers chances.

1. The Clippers are close to moving out of the Staples Center and into Orange County, much closer to the Bryant residence. The move also sets the Clippers away from the Lakers.

2. Kobe is close to some guys on the Clippers, most notable Corey Magette.

3. I think the only difference in the contracts the Clippers and Lakers could offer is that the Lakers could offer one more year, which is technically more money because its one more year, but they are pretty much the same on a 5 year scale.

4. I don't think Kobe really cares about anything anymore. It doesn't seem like he has any respect for the Laker organization or anything else, and now he is just out there to make headlines.

[The Outlaw]

Nuggets have been talking to him.

Jazz offered Boozer 6 year, 68 million

Someone also signed Blount, I didnt catch the team though.

[AlphaBean]

It was the Celtics.

Boy, they sure stole him away.

[The Miz]

76ers signed Brian Skinner!

[Gonzo]

Celtics better do good this year, we need some talent in the starting 5 to go deeper into the playoffs. If it weren't for Paul Pierce we would suck so much.

[BCWWF]

I heard Paul Pierce is on the block now...

[BCWWF]

Latest in the Shaq rumors:

Miami is offering:
Brian Grant, Lamar Odom, and either Caron Butler or First Round Draft pick.

I'm not sure if I like that. Odom is establishing himself as a Garnett type of player in the East (not as good, but same style etc) and could be key to the future of the Heat, whereas he already was medeocre on the Clippers, I wouldn't really want him back in the West. I don't like him moving from either side.

[The Miz]

Brent Barry just signed with the Spurs. God dammit.

[BCWWF]

Where does that leave Tony Parker?

[Loose Cannon]

well on ESPN News, THEY'RE REPORTING Shaq will accept a trade to the Heat and a few more things need to be worked out before finally closing the deal.

[The Outlaw]

If Shaq went to Miami, any thoughts on what his production would be?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Where does that leave Tony Parker?
Still the starting point guard

I don't really think Brent is a "natural" PG, he kinda just fit into that role up in Seattle.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go with a 3 guard lineup honestly, and maybe have Bowen come off the bench

[BCWWF]

The Spurs could pull that off if they put a guy like Erick Dampier in there instead of Rasho.

[KingofOldSchool]

The Heat are really fucking stupid for giving up Lamar Odom and Caron Butler for Shaq.

Shaq alone won't help them get far.

No offense to O'Neal, but the Heat had a good nucleus, all they needed was to get a guy like Dampier and they would've been better.

[The Outlaw]

Hey why don't you suck my dick, you fucking fuckerface

[BCWWF]

Although I like Dampier, I think he is overrated after last season and won't ever be a dominant star.

I heard something like the Heat's first round draft pick might be put in instead of Butler, which I think would have been a better decision for the Heat. I don't think any of the guys going to the Lakers will be good at all in the West.

I think the Heat are going to need one more guy to go with Wade and Shaq to be really good. It looks like the Conferences are evening out now, and that will be a good thing I think.

Does anybody else realize how bad Dallas is going to be next year?

[KingofOldSchool]

Hey why don't you suck my dick, you fucking fuckerface


Fuck you fucking fuckstick.

[Ninti the Mad]

Uh, Karl Malone to Spurs? :wtf:

[AlphaBean]

Hahaha the Mailman is such a bitch.

Officially retiring out of self-pity for missing another title... wait hey...

In the SUN-SENTINEL, Harvey Fialkov writes that "with the Diesel coming aboard, the Heat's next priority has to be at point guard and forward." The "Heat's spending money for free agents remains the same, the $1.6 million lower salary exception for one player and the $5.4 million mid-level exception." The "Heat is suddenly drawing lots of attention from plenty of interested suitors." Shaq's "former teammates who have benefited from his penchant for drawing double teams, such as Lakers free agents Derek Fisher and Karl Malone and Spurs free agent Robert Horry, have expressed an interest in a move to Miami."
:lol:

I knew it. The Lakers are officially the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest franchise in history. Fucking Shaq over, now the Heat will be the best team in the history of ever.

Malone will take the mid-level and Fisher will get the low-level, while Horry will sign for the minimum because he's an old, washed-up loser.

And the Heat will beat the Pistons in the Eastern finals, because they still have Eddie Jones and Dwayne Wade, and they don't have Kobe the bitch.

[BCWWF]

T-Hud is almost officially signed by the Wolves, btw

[Excellance of Execution]

On ESPN, they are reporting, according to the AP, the Piston's are resigning Rasheed Wallace.

[BCWWF]

Why did the Pistons sign Antonio McDysse? (How do you spell that)

[DaveWadding]

McDyess

[DaveWadding]

and why else would you sign him, besides to warm a spot on the bench?

[Excellance of Execution]

Why did the Pistons sign Antonio McDysse? (How do you spell that)
To replace Okur, who i believe is going to sign with Utah, and the Piston's aren't going to match the offer.

[BCWWF]

I read in the paper today that the Pistons could still match Utahs offer on Okur and were likely to get Rasheed back...why go and get Dyess?

[BCWWF]

Posted at the same time as EoE, maybe I read wrong and they aren't matching the offer...Damn.

[Excellance of Execution]

Posted at the same time as EoE, maybe I read wrong and they aren't matching the offer...Damn.
I don't think the pistons could afford to sign Okur and resign Rasheed too. So they signed McDyeus to replace Okur and now they are resigning Rasheed.

[The Miz]

LOL @ people saying Heat needed someone like Dampier. Anyone who follows the Warriors know Dampier is not the answer

[The Miz]

Potential 04-05 Phoenix Suns starting line-up:
PG Steve Nash
SG Quentin Richardson
SF Shawn Marion
PF Amare Staudemire
C Jake Voskuhl

:'(

[DaveWadding]

not like we need a real Center...Shaq is gone.

[loopydate]

No offense to O'Neal, but the Heat had a good nucleus, all they needed was to get a guy like Dampier and they would've been better.
Any improvement in the Heat will be pretty minimal, imo. Sure, they'll have Shaq to beat up on Eastern centers, but when he faces the inevitable double- and triple-teams, and once opponents learn to put their best defender on Wade, they'll be forced to rely on their supporting players. And their supporting players are not enough to elevate them above, maybe, the five seed in the conference.

As KoOS said, the Heat had a good, young nucleus in place. With another couple of years, and some good role players brought in, the Heat could be challenging the Pistons, Nets, and Pacers for elite status in the conference. Losing those three players and getting only Shaq (who, I'll remind you, has played twelve seasons, and a man his size won't be able to play much longer) in return isn't the answer they needed.

[BCWWF]

No, Shaq will be the answer. Its not going to be Shaq and Wade playing along with three stiffs. The other team with double team Shaq, put two undersized guys on him, then you kick the ball out to Wade or Eddie Jones. Jones is a key shooter, he had sweet percentages for a guard last year, their outside presence is nothing to throw away. Otherwise, they double team Shaq, that leaves another undersized guy to try to deal with Horry or Malone or whoever else they get to play there.

They had a good young nucleus last year, yes, but this year they got rid of Odom and got Shaq...Ill take Shaq. You lose Brian Grant...there are dozens of free agents they can pick up better than Rasta Monsta...Butler is really the only one they lost, but they can make up for him with Eddie Jones and free agency, not to mention his injury status..

If you looked into it, you would know that this deal isn't about developing a championship team in five years. The Heat can't fill their new arena, even early in the playoffs last year, and they have yellow seats, which just exploits everything. They needed a quick fix to get people to start coming to their games, and theres no better way than signing Shaq.

Shaq > Lamar Odom when it comes to ratings

[The Miz]

And their supporting players are not enough to elevate them above, maybe, the five seed in the conference.
They aren't any worse than the ones the Lakers had during their run

[Crimson]

The Lakers are just another team now. They better pray Kobe resigns, or they are in real trouble. I hope he goes to the Clips. I guess the team in the West are the Spurs again, although I really like what Utah has done, and of course the Rockets.

[AlphaBean]

T-Hud is almost officially signed by the Wolves, btw
In the Star Trib, they said that the Wolves used their exception to get Hudson, yet later IN THE SAME ARTICLE said that they can use the exception to sign another free agent.

What the fuck?

Were the pups forced to waste their exception on Hud, or did the early bird rights protect us?

[BCWWF]

I am hoping that Kobe signs with the Clippers, because I think that would be sweet. And even if he does the Lakers aren't in horrible position.

Maybe for a year or two they miss the playoffs, but you can build a solid all around team around Kareem Rush and Luke Walton. It would kill them because they would lose all the star power, but they wouldn't be left with nothing like the Bulls were.

[BCWWF]

I don't understand all of basketball contracts, mid level exception, veterans minimum, all that. Are you given a certain amount, like "two veterans minimums, three mid level exceptions..." I don't know, WTF

[DaveWadding]

mid level exception is for teams over the cap at the start of FA....I dunno how it works exactly.

[Kid Robb]

Kobe, Odom, Butler, Grant, throw in a half decent centre and that's a decent lineup.

[BCWWF]

Possibly an 8 seed

[DaveWadding]

Kobe, Odom, Butler, Grant, throw in a half decent centre and that's a decent lineup.
except none of those guys can play the point.

[The Miz]

Kobe is gonna hog the ball anyway so he'll play the point

[Kid Robb]

Odom would be the one to distribute I would have thought, even if he is 6-10.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If Lakers re-sign Fisher I bet Caron would come off the bench

PG - Fisher
SG - Kobe
SF - Odom
PF - Grant
C - ??

6th man - Butler

Other reserves
Walton
Cook
Rush

Do they still have Medva whatever his name is? And who is gonna be the back up PG?? Who is going to be the STARTING PG if Fisher signs somewhere else?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Celtics big free agent signing this season......Mark Blout :|

[The Miz]

If Lakers re-sign Fisher I bet Caron would come off the bench

PG - Fisher
SG - Kobe
SF - Odom
PF - Grant
C - ??

6th man - Butler

Other reserves
Walton
Cook
Rush

Do they still have Medva whatever his name is? And who is gonna be the back up PG?? Who is going to be the STARTING PG if Fisher signs somewhere else?
Sa-la-va Med-ved-en-ko [/Stephen A. Smith]

if they don't sign anyone theyll probably but Grant at C, Odom at PF, and Butler at SF

[The Miz]

Rumored tarde ESPN is talking about:

New York gets:
Antoine Walker

Toronto gets:
Dikembe Mutumbo
Kurt Thomas
Shandon Anderson

Dallas gets:
Vince Carter

[Heyman]

http://www.nba.com/features/oneal_mia_040714.html

While the Detroit Pistons' dismantling of the Lakers in the NBA Finals was the story of the year, it didn't come as a result of shutting down O'Neal. The big man averaged 26.6 ppg on .631 shooting over the five-game series and publicly questioned why his teammates weren't getting him the ball, a problem that won't arise in Miami precisely because of attitudes like Wade's. There will be no power struggles, no divisive tugs-of-war via the media; in South Florida, Shaq is unquestionably the man.


Quite honestly? I think this trade is EXCELLENT for the Miami Heat. I think the biggest thing that the Heat have going for them (as the article alluded to), is that Shaq will CLEARLY be the man in Miami.

Here's another thing that I firmly believe.

Kobe Bryant is a much better player than Shaq, but Shaq is a more VALUABLE player than Kobe. This is particularly noticeable under pressure (Shaq is much more consistent under pressure). Furthermore - Shaq is much more of a leader than Kobe. Kobe is a great player, but he can't 'lead' a team. Shaq however, can.

Lastly - I don't believe that Shaq' "getting old" will be a problem. I think this will be countered with new motivation on Shaq's part. Furthermore - I think Shaq will flourish now that HE knows that he is the #1 man again.



With Shaq in the fold, the Heat are likely to start Wade and Eddie Jones in the backcourt, Udonis Haslem at power forward and a player-to-be-named at small forward -- perhaps restricted free agent Rasual Butler or any of the bevy of available swingmen who will be pounding down Miami's door to play alongside the team's latest acquisition.

Wade and Haslem are both entering their second year, but Wade has already shown a Kobe Bryant-like flair for the dramatic, averaging 18.0 ppg, 5.6 apg and 4.0 rpg during the playoffs, while Haslem was a bruiser in the paint, grabbing 6.3 rpg in just 23.9 minutes last year. Jones, a former teammate of O'Neal's in L.A., may have lost a step defensively and will be 33 when the 2004-05 season opens, but he remains an effective shooter. He led Miami in scoring last year with 17.3 ppg and was third in the league with 177 3-pointers.

The Heat have a decent nuclei of talent.

Mark my words: The Heat will be a contender in the East this year. The team that beats them (if someone does) will probably win the championships.


As far as the Lakers go? I think they'll still be a talented team (who will finish above .500), but they will be inconsistent. I don't see them getting past San Antonio.......(or perhaps even Sacramento).

Speaking of Sacramento, I firmly believe that they need to trade Webber (or make Mike Bibby the CLEAR CUT #1 guy on the team.......and give the ball to Bibby more under pressure).

[Crimson]

LOL toronto would be getting shit for Vince. The Raptors should go for draft picks at least, but even this year they drafted a scrub. Dallas would be sick with Vince, although they still need a point.

[Heyman]

LOL toronto would be getting shit for Vince. The Raptors should go for draft picks at least, but even this year they drafted a scrub. Dallas would be sick with Vince, although they still need a point.

Vince Carter is one of the most overrated centers in the history of the game.


p.s. Surprisingly enough - I also feel that Garnett is somewhat overrated.

[The Miz]

good thing he plays center

[Heyman]

Why would Dallas go after Vince Carter? As far as I know, Carter isn't exactly known for his defensive ability. He's far more known for his offense.

Dallas needs defense. They have one of the weakest defenses in the NBA.


To steal a page out of Pepsi Man's book, this trade = is gay. :n:

[The Miz]

yeah but a good center like carter can take you far

[Heyman]

yeah but a good center like carter can take you far


True.

I just think that if the Mavs are going to make a big trade, they should get some defensive help.

[BCWWF]

That trade isn't going to happen because of who the Raptors would be getting. I can see Dallas going after Vince Carter, because they are really stupid and keep getting players they don't need who all play the same position.

As for the future of Toronto, getting three solid players like that would be a good move for the future of their club (even though their last two draft picks have been big men). The reason that trade is not going through is because Vince Carter is putting people's butts in those seats. Toronto will not last through a rebuilding stage without Carted because he is the only reason they have any attendance. The only kind of trade that would work would have been the Vince for AI.

Also, I saw something like Kurt Thomas for Z. Whats the latest with that?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Finally I dont have to hate the most unstopable player in the NBA anymore because he is off the Lakers.

[AlphaBean]

Finally I dont have to hate the most unstopable player in the NBA anymore because he is off the Lakers.
I've been a fan of Shaq's since the finals. When Kobe fell apart and acted like he didn't care, Shaq kept trying to keep his team going. And he was rewarded with backstabbing within the organization, and amongst the fans.

Almost every Laker fan disowned Shaq during and after the finals, because they knew they had to choose between Shaq and Kobe. Even though Kobe was worthless in the finals, and is a big rapist, all Lakers fans prefer him to Shaq. Why? Because Shaq isn't flashy. Because Shaq is "old." He's in LA. Should he date a 16 year old and get botox to make the fans like him better? But anyway, I felt safe to root for Shaq the minute some fag at Rajah's started arguing how Kobe is far more important than Shaq. It's laughable, and so I laughed... and am now officially a Shaq fan once again. :yes:







As for Heyman's "KG is overrated" comment. :foc:

I can see where his stats might be misleading. Despite having the best states consistently of anyone ever since Larry Bird and Charles Barkley, KG also makes players around him better, like Jordan, Shaq, Kidd and Duncan. He's most obviously top-5 talent in the league, and arguably #1. And overrated? The contract was not a "rating," it was a shady deal pulled by KG's agents, and I believe he fired them since that incident. They refused a reasonable offer without talking to KG about it. The Wolves were forced to give KG a record contract because of his agents, but McHale knew he was worth it. And to prove how non-overrated KG is, he took a pay cut despite deserving more, and entering the prime of his career. This is the time when you should be making the absolute maximum, but Shaq is going to be making more than KG. Shaq deserved 30 million a season 5 years ago, but to give him something like that for 6 years at his age now is a gamble. Plus you have to realize... while Shaq makes any team better... he's not very marketable. I mean, look how quickly the Lakers fans turned on him.

Anyway, KG's stats are misleading because he's the heart of a zone defense, which means he guards the post and allows deep-shooting PFs to score at will. It's not him, it's the system. If we had a better defensive team, then KG could play man coverage on his guy, and he would always shut his player down, and average 5 bpg.

[The Outlaw]

And he was rewarded with backstabbing within the organization, and amongst the fans.

Almost every Laker fan disowned Shaq during and after the finals, because they knew they had to choose between Shaq and Kobe.

:wave: :wave: :wave:

Heat WHATTTTUP

[The Miz]

Kobe announced he'll stay with the Lakers. IMO he'll become the next McGrady/Iverson/Carter, ballhogs on shitty teams who will probably win the scoring title.

[KingofOldSchool]

LOL @ people saying Heat needed someone like Dampier. Anyone who follows the Warriors know Dampier is not the answer

If Dampier plays like he did this last season the Heat could've had a nice lineup of...

C Dampier
PF: Grant
SF: Odom
SG: Jones
PG: Wade

Maybe get one or two good bench players and they'd have a good team.

Now they are relagted to...

C: O'Neal
PF: Haslem
SF: Allen
SG: R. Butler
PG: Wade

Remember back in Orlando? Shaq had Penny and nothing else? They were good for a while, but they never won a championship. Shaq is older now and he is not as healthy as he used to be. Unless Wade steps up and plays like he did in the playoffs then the Heat will be lucky to make it past the 6th seed in the Eastern conference.

[BCWWF]

Eddie Jones?

Erick Dampier was an above average center whose rebounds were inflated by playing on Golden State. He would not be a super star or probably even change much on a good team.

And its not like the Heat are set for the year, they still have the rest of the summer to develop a team. Wade and Jones are going to have all the space in the world to hit jump shots, and they will be top three in the East. Nuff said.

[The Miz]

King of Old School, I know you probably realized this after you had sex with PoisonIvy, but you are a moron.

[The Miz]

Nugs got K-Mart

[DaveWadding]

not bad, considering they only gave up 1 pick that was theirs originally.

[BCWWF]

I swear Utah is signing so many new players, or it seems that way

[The Miz]

I think people need to start paying attention to the Jazz, I mean they almost made the playoffs last year with the least talented roster in the NBA

[BCWWF]

Who else have they added besides Humphries and Boozer? I thought there was a few more

[AlphaBean]

Thought they got Memo too.

Anyway LOL@KoOS saying that Shaq was better in Orlando than he is now. :lol:

And :wave: Outlaw. The idiot fans I'm talking about reside only at Rajah for some reason. :?:

[The Outlaw]

Yeah I know what you're saying. I'm just interested in the game between the Heat and Lakers in decemer. :eek:

Also, :lol: :rofl: at KOOS

[DaveWadding]

yay, I can love the Shaq Attack again :love:

[The Miz]

Warriors signed Derek Fisher. hahaha Lakers are fuuuuuuuuuuucked

[The Outlaw]

:cool:

[BCWWF]

I bet D-Fish will be pretty cool on Golden State, they should keep Dampier now..Too bad for Speedy Claxton though :wavesad: Hofstra's Pride..no pun intended.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Anyone heard anything on Rafer "Skip to My Lou" Alston? Has he been signed to a contract with anyone?

[DaveWadding]

I think he signed with the Raps..not super sure

[BCWWF]

Yeah I believe the Raptors is correct

[HeartBreakMan2k]

At least he got a contract again.

[BCWWF]

He was pretty solid last year wasn't he? I don't think he had any trouble signing somewhere

[BCWWF]

Hey d-bag guest, why don't you make a name and post in the thread :mad:

And yes, I am talking to you, there is a "who's online" feature

[DaveWadding]

Chris "Birdman" Andersen signed with the Hornets, 2 yr./3.36 mil.

*BIRD CALL!*

[The Outlaw]

ANDERSON :cool:

[Kid Robb]

Yeah Skip signed a 6 year $36 mil contract with the Raptors last week.

Would have loved to see him stay in Miami and run the point with Shaq, EJ and Wade.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah Skip signed a 6 year $36 mil contract with the Raptors last week.

Would have loved to see him stay in Miami and run the point with Shaq, EJ and Wade.
Skip :cool:

[BCWWF]

Its funny how Portland and Denver think they have a chance at Trenton Hassell.

Mike James wants to go to Miami.

The Knicks will put anyone on the table besides Stephon Marbury to try and get Vince Carter. They have a deal on the table including Nazr Mohammad and another guy.

The Nets aren't interested in Sharif for cap reasons. They may however be interested in Stromile Swift.

Dampier is getting linked to Atlanta and Dallas to name a few.

[AlphaBean]

I would see Trenton leaving.

Why?

Because for some reason, players feel no sense of loyalty to the T'Wolves. KG takes a pay cut despite constant disappointment, carries this team on his back, and Duncan is the guy everyone flocks to play with.

:foc: Duncan.

[The Miz]

Maybe because Duncan has 2 more world championships than Garnett, and the Spurs always field a better all-around team than the Wolves :?:

[BCWWF]

Hassell has already said that he wants to stay, and we haven't started talking to him yet because of T-Hud, which is why he is talking to other teams. We can match any offer put out by other teams, and are a championship contender. Why would he leave to go play with Melo?

[BCWWF]

I'm going to come out and say it, I think Carmelo Anthony is overrated. Not as in he is not a good player, because he is a good player, but I don't think he is as talented a player as LeBron, and I think LeBron will be a lot better than he was this year where as Melo won't be drastically better in the future. I predict LeBron be the next Kobe Bryant type player (as in talentwise) and Carmelo will be more of a Gary Payton type, where he is one of the better players in the league for a long time, but never on the level such as a Kobe or MJ.

It's really not too brash of a thing to say, I just had the urge to say it at 1:18 am tonight.

[Heyman]

Kobe is gonna hog the ball anyway so he'll play the point


No truer words can be spoken. :cool:


p.s. Have fun Lakers. You moronic motherf</>uckers.

Kobe = not Jordan. Never has, never will be.

[Kid Robb]

Given the lack of basketball coverage here, i was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about a guy playing for the Nuggets summer team, Matt Neilson. He's an Aussie guy over there for a trial, heard he was doing ok. Any word on whether Denver will keep him around?

[DaveWadding]

Kobe = not Jordan. Never has, never will be.
I'd like to second this statement.

[The Miz]

Lakers got Divac :lol:

[BCWWF]

They did?! Damn, I saw he was looking there, I wanted him to come to the Wolves

[The Miz]

Why would you want him? He is old and oh so sloooooooooooooooow

[AlphaBean]

Maybe because Duncan has 2 more world championships than Garnett, and the Spurs always field a better all-around team than the Wolves :?:
Wolves have a contender, made it further than the Spurs this year despite injuries (Spurs didn't have them).

Spurs won't be winning any more titles anytime soon with Rasho at 5, yet they're still way attractive. It's a slap in the face. No respect for the Wolves.

And better team? :?:

Who was first seed? :?:

And don't talk to me about last year, unless the Lakers can make it to the Finals again.

[BCWWF]

Vlade is a key center to have though, especially when you have a dominant power forward. He had the most assists of any big men last year and flops like a pro!

[The Miz]

Yeah but Divac is so old he can only give you about 20 minutes a game. Brad Miller came off the bench and played much more than Divac.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea hes a good passer..

Kobe needs more guys to pass him the ball I guess hahaha

Might aswell start callin' Kobe the Blackhole now, once the ball goes to him it's never coming back

[The Miz]

Wolves have a contender, made it further than the Spurs this year despite injuries (Spurs didn't have them).

Spurs won't be winning any more titles anytime soon with Rasho at 5, yet they're still way attractive. It's a slap in the face. No respect for the Wolves.

And better team?

Who was first seed?

And don't talk to me about last year, unless the Lakers can make it to the Finals again.
The Spurs and the Wolves both got eliminated by the Lakers 4-2. The Spurs kicked the Lakers ass in the 2 that they won and the Lakers let the Wolves have the 2 that they won because they weren't must-win games. The only reason the Wolves made it further is because they didn't have to play the Lakers in the 2nd round. If you could stop being biased for one second and put yourself in an NBA players shoes, what team would you want to play for. The unproven Wolves who before last year had 7 straight first-round exits, or the Spurs who had 2 championships in 5 years. Poppovich, Duncan, and Parker are proven winners. Garnett has proven he can't win unless he's surrounded by great players. Duncan won a championship with Tony Parker and a bunch of nobodys. Don't wanna hear the David Robinson argument because he was washed up in 2003. And I don't even think you can deny that Pops is a better coach than Saunders.

[BCWWF]

On no, wow. The Spurs lost to the Lakers, so did the Timberwolves. The Lakers outplayed us and we were missing Sam Cassell (second leading scorer, team leader) and Troy Hudson.

The whole "Kevin Garnett can't win" argument was trendy to use before the season, but as soon as we won the Western Conference in the regular season, disposed of the Nuggets, and beat Sacramento in a game seven, it all becomes obsolete.

The whole 7-straight losses joke also became obsolete when the Wolves brought back three players from those seven teams last year.

Tony Parker sitting on the bench while his team wins an NBA title doesn't make him a proven star. Thus the NBA was weak that year, once they beat the Lakers in round 2 there was no competition.

KG can't win if he isn't surrounded by good players....OK, isn't that the whole concept of a team? There are maybe five guys in the history of the NBA that could win the NBA chapionships by themselves, and I'm not ashamed to say that Kevin Garnett isn't one of them.

It took Michael Jordan nine years to win an NBA championship, is there a reason that Kevin Garnett is supposed to be better than that when he doesn't have a Scotty Pippen?

Don't even talk shit like "The Spurs could have beat the Wolves if they made it," when it all comes down to it THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT. "The Lakers didn't try in the games they lost," so what if they did try, the outcome was that they lost. I could say that the Wolves would have beat the Pistons, but it would mean nothing because we didn't make it. Theoretically any team could have beat the Pistons, but nobody did, so its not worth talking about.

If Duncan really is all that and is can win an NBA championship all by himself, we'll see that this year.

[BCWWF]

Anyway, back to Vlade...

He may be old and not seem super effective looking at stats and what not, but he was such a huge aspect in the Kings. You let him start, pull down maybe 5 rebounds, 10 points, and five assists, nothing spectacular, but then you bring in Brad Miller the spark off the bench and he can rack up the fouls and play hard and play his game. I don't think Miller will be as effective now, although he will still be good.

As for the Lakers, I don't think he is the right guy at all. They lost their big inside presence and Odom isn't going to be the dominant power forward, they needed a big center who is going to be tough and strong down there, Divacs is not that.

Divacs is the perfect attribute to a good power forward. I mean you lose Rasho and put Divacs next to Tim Duncan and the Spurs would be a lot better than they already are, he would also work good with KG, Webber, maybe the Suns, a few other teams, but what the Lakers need right now is a guy like Dampier who is going to go in hard and get a lot of boards. Meh.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I heard something about Dampier getting traded to the Knicks

[BCWWF]

They would be really cash with Dampier-Carter-Marbury, top 4 in the East for sure IMO, but last I heard the Hawks were looking most likely to get Erick. Also he's a FA I think so it would have to be a sign and trade to the Knicks.

[The Miz]

According to the Oakland Tribune this deal is almost done

Golden State gets (sign and trade):
Nazr Mohammed
Othella Harrington

New York gets:
Erick Dampier

[BCWWF]

Yup, I see now that the Hawks are going to go for Stromile Swift instead.

The Knicks are also looking to get Crawford from the Bulls, offering Penny Hardaway and others.

[The Miz]

This deal was finalized today

Golden State gets:
Dale Davis
Dan Dickau

Portland gets:
Nick Van Exel

I think it's a good deal for GS, they need depth and experience at PF/C and a decent backup PG for Fisher, but WTF does Portland gain with Nick? They already have Damon Staudimire with Sebastien Telfair backing him up.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I was confused on this deal altogether from Van Exel and the Blazers perspective.

1. Didn't Van Exel say he was retiring unless he was playing in Texas this year?

2. Van Exel is the kind of backup pg who puts a really good team to the next level, ie Dallas. Think of him on San Antonio...

3. Damon Staudimire was pretty decent last year, he was on my fantasy team. Telfair is fucked now.

[DaveWadding]

http://www.carlosloozer.com/index.htm

Hilarious shit.

[The Miz]

Its funny how Portland and Denver think they have a chance at Trenton Hassell.
Trent agreed to the Blazer's offer sheet today :wave:

[The Dub]

This deal was finalized today

Golden State gets:
Dale Davis
Dan Dickau

Portland gets:
Nick Van Exel

I think it's a good deal for GS, they need depth and experience at PF/C and a decent backup PG for Fisher, but WTF does Portland gain with Nick? They already have Damon Staudimire with Sebastien Telfair backing him up.
GS already has Speedy Claxton to back up Fisher and Sebastian Telfair is a bust waiting to happen.

[Gertner]

God am I liking my Utah Jazz this year!

[The Miz]

Nets lost Kittles to the Clippers.