NBA Offseason Topic

**BCWWF** · 06-10-2004, 09:32 PM

I know this might be a bit early, but the season is essentially done, and a lot of big names are going to be moving around this summer.

I heard a rumored trade Wally Szczerbiak and Michael Olowokandi for Allen Iverson. That would be crazy but I don't know how reliable it is.

I don't think that T-Mac will stick with the Magic, no matter what, and I think that will be better for the Magic. I could see him going to Phoenix.

I don't see Latrell Sprewell going to San Antonio, the only other team really looking at him, because he would have to take a huge paycut and he has no reason to leave.

I think Troy Hudson will come back to the Timberwolves, at least he sounds like he wants to.

Kobe Bryant is not leaving the Lakers.

Rasheed Wallace should stay with the Pistons, how crazy would they be if they signed Theo Ratliff...

Will Vlade Divacs retire?

More questions etc to be discussed, start going...

**AlphaBean** · 06-10-2004, 11:08 PM

T-Hud of course will say he wants to stay here. He won't even NEGOTIATE an extension, but he wants to stay here.

So he will sign for a lot more money to play somewhere else with no chance of a championship... Unless he signs with the Lakers, which is feasible if they lose either or BOTH of their PGs... they would want the player who rocked them last year to keep him away from Minnesota.

Iverson is what Reusse wants. I dunno. 35% from the field, injured half the time. He could be a great asset, but he could be Cassell... lead us to the playoffs and watch us get eliminated. I don't want that. Plus I mean, how many attitudes can Flip control? I think the two biggest cancers to the Wolves team are Wally and Kandi, so that would be a good thing.

you sons of bitches.

Spree will definitely stay here for his 14 million dollar contract. He'd get maybe 8 to play somewhere else, and playing with KG is definitely the place to be.

So are you saying Phil Jackson is gone from LA?

Ratliff with the Wallaces in Detroit, what the hell hahaha. That better not happen.

**CNM** · 06-10-2004, 11:51 PM

Ratliff can't sign with Detroit. First of all, he isn't a free agent. Secondly, Detroit will have to use all of their cap space to keep Sheed (or Okur if Sheed decides to move on).

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-11-2004, 12:30 AM

Yea Pistons have to try to resign Sheed...I was hearing a lot of stuff about how the NY Knicks were REALLY intrested in him...but that sorta died down after he left Portland for whatever reasons.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 06-11-2004, 01:36 AM

Spurs would give Spree good money considering how much cap space they have. I mean look how much they gave to Rasho

**DaveWadding** · 06-11-2004, 01:48 AM

Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

**The Outlaw** · 06-11-2004, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding

Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

**AlphaBean** · 06-11-2004, 02:20 AM

Don't discourage the poor unfortunate boy, Outlaw. Clap for him and give him a cookie.

Here Dave, have a medal. That joke was amazing. You rule, buddy! High five!

You are very special.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-11-2004, 02:31 AM

Those jokes are pretty terrible and people always post shit like that about Minnesota fans for some reason (Bean and BCWWF)

Pretty stupid too...Neither of you guys are posting unrealistic bullshit either. So posting stuff like that is just dumb.

**The Outlaw** · 06-11-2004, 02:35 AM

I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

**The Miz** · 06-11-2004, 02:39 AM

Dave Wadding, I try so hard to like you, but you might be the most unfunny poster ever

**AlphaBean** · 06-11-2004, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Outlaw

I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

On one hand, I agree -- I explained why in my first post.

On the other hand... imagine what would happen if he was happy here?

I mean, remember when he was happy in Philly? My brother put it to me like this:

In 6 quarters in the finals... he scored like 70 points or something. On the Lakers. He tore them apart.

Imagine AI on a team that runs the pick and roll. Imagine him and Cassell and Spree and KG running the floor. The open jumpers.

And when AI and T-Hud are in there (if we get Hud back), they both can drive the lane, draw fouls or draw defenders in the middle.

But the problem is... no big man. Still. Love Oliver Miller, all 6'9" of him, but uh, yeah. Dunno. Detroit can stop Shaq without an elite true Center, so I guess if we just lock down the other 4 positions we'll be cool.

What's funny about outlandish trade ideas for the Wolves is... with Kevin McHale's ability as a GM and Glenn Taylor's desire to spend all of his money... just about anything is possible.

He said he wants to add one more piece in the off-season. Unfortunately, we're so above the cap that we would need to either trade or use the mid-level. Mid-level will bring us what? Actually it would get us some good shit with the talent we have here, people want to come here. HOPEFULLY. And the trade... Wally and Kandi would be sweet. Wally wants to start, but he was better on the bench. Kandi... needs to get the fuck out...

So whether it's AI or someone else, I'm all for it. Too bad about the Bulls. Jerry Krause used to have THE BIGGEST HARD ON for Wally. We coulda picked up like, Crawford and Curry or something. Or a draft pick. It would have been nice.

**BCWWF** · 06-11-2004, 03:46 PM

The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore.

I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better.

Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fucking everything up

**The Dub** · 06-11-2004, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore.

I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better.

Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fucking everything up

I don't think that Szczerbiak and Olowokandi would be enough to lure Iverson away from Philly. I have heard some rumors of an Iverson-Baron Davis trade or an Iverson-Francis trade.

The Lakers are better off with Fisher starting again and Payton needs to check his ego and realize that he ain'g got it no more.

The Spurs shouldn't give Spree anything. They need to re-sign Manu and maybe a scorer to come off the bench, since that is what killed them against L.A. They played great defense, but they couldn't take advantage because Parker was shut down after Game 2. A back-up PG not named Charlie Ward could help too.

**BCWWF** · 06-11-2004, 05:35 PM

I forgot about that, I've heard those Baron Davis rumors also, and personally I think they would make more sense for the 76ers.

I think teams in the East need to recognize why the Pistons are good, and understand that no other team in the East is capable of doing what they are, because they have good big men. The East needs to draw some of the big men from the West to compete.

**The Show Off** · 06-11-2004, 06:57 PM

All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do.

If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this...

C - Keon Clark
PF - Amare Stotumire
SF - Shawn Marion
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Milosh Vulonic

If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together....

Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together...

Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.

**The Miz** · 06-11-2004, 07:00 PM

*PG - Steve Nash

**AlphaBean** · 06-11-2004, 07:19 PM

Baron Davis will give the Sixers another injury-prone leader, and the Francis trade will bring in another spoiled brat.

That makes the Francis deal highly stupid for the Sixers... and the Davis deal stupid for the Hornets. You need health. If your stars stayed healthy you'd have a very competitive squad right thurr.

Baron and Mash and Wesley

**The Icon of Elisim** · 06-12-2004, 01:33 AM

Am I the only person who could see Memphis as a candidate to land Kobe? Strong team already with Jerry West in the front office

**DaveWadding** · 06-12-2004, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Show Off

All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do.

If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this...

C - Keon Clark
PF - Amare Stotumire
SF - Shawn Marion
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Milosh Vulonic

If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together....

Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together...

Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.

Vuljanic won't be needed if we resign Stevie N., Dyess and Clark are FAs, and both are terrible anyways.

**CNM** · 06-12-2004, 02:33 AM

The Suns won't have enough $ to sign Kobe unless they convince someone to take Jahidi White off their hands.

**CNM** · 06-12-2004, 02:34 AM

TIOE: I think Jerry West came out recently and basically said the Grizz have no shot at signing Kobe.

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 06-12-2004, 03:10 AM

in 2000, there was a trade rumor of AI to MIN for KG and Wally. Believe it, it would have been the best trade for my Sixers

But to be serious for a moment..... Don't be surprised if Detriot trades for Derrick Coleman, because LARRY BROWN IS DERRICK COLEMAN'S GAY LOVER. Only reason Coleman wasnt the Sixers before their run at the crown was Pat Croce. Once Croce left and didnt have the authority over Brown.... Coleman came back.

**Sensei Of Mattitude** · 06-12-2004, 03:13 AM

By the way..........

ALLEN IVERSON IS NOT LEAVING THE PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

He is staying put. He is still the centerpiece of this team. Hopefully, the FO can put something together to get something around him.

I want Derek Fisher. He is the only Laker I personally like. We (76ers) need to get YOUNGER, FASTER and BIGGER.

**BCWWF** · 06-12-2004, 03:28 AM

Sam Dalembert played well at the end of last season, and last I heard the new 76ers coach didn't want to give up AI, so add some players and maybe...

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-12-2004, 03:46 AM

Steve Nash is going to the Suns? Really? I havent really heard too much about this at all

Surprised Cuban wouldnt have already taken care of this

**CNM** · 06-12-2004, 04:16 AM

It's a rumor. He's said he'll consider the Suns. That's about it.

**BCWWF** · 06-12-2004, 04:47 AM

The Suns need a center

**DaveWadding** · 06-12-2004, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

The Suns need a center

Welcome to every season since 1968.

**Splaya** · 06-12-2004, 04:21 PM

Kobe will elave the Lakers for one reason and one reason only: his ego. He wants to be the Michael Jordon of a team. He wants to be the hero, the go to guy. He might be that in LA right now, but not really. In LA he will always have to contest with Shaq. It's sad really. I'd rather put the ball in the hands of Kobe rahter than Shaq with say 5 seconds left and your down by 2.

**The Outlaw** · 06-12-2004, 04:45 PM

Splaya, you obviously have no basketball knowledge whatsoever and I kindly ask you to never reply in an NBA thread again.

**BCWWF** · 06-13-2004, 01:03 AM

LO mothafukin L

**DaveWadding** · 06-13-2004, 02:51 AM

Here's the lists for the expansion draft:

ATLANTA HAWKS
Protected
Jason Terry
Boris Diaw
Travis Hansen
Chris Crawford
Stephen Jackson

Unprotected
Alan Henderson
Free Agents
Jason Collier
Michael Bradley
Obinna Ekezie
Mamadou N'diaye
Wesley Person
Joel Przybilla
Zeljko Rebraca
Bob Sura
Jacque Vaughn

BOSTON CELTICS
Protected
Paul Pierce
Ricky Davis
Raef LaFrentz
Kendrick Perkins
Marcus Banks
Jiri Welsch
Walter McCarty
Chris Mihm

Unprotected
Michael Stewart
Brandon Hunter
Chucky Atkins
Jumaine Jones

Free Agents
Mark Blount
Dana Barros

CHICAGO BULLS
Protected
Eddy Curry
Jamal Crawford
Kirk Hinrich
Tyson Chandler
Linton Johnson
Jannero Pargo
Chris Jefferies
Paul Shirley

Unprotected
Antonio Davis
Jerome Williams
Eddie Robinson
Marcus Fizer
Scottie Pippen

Free Agents
Ronald Dupree
Kendall Gill

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Protected
LeBron James
Carlos Boozer
Dajuan Wagner
Jeff McInnis
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
DeSagna Diop
Tony Battie

Unprotected
Kevin Ollie
Ira Newble
Kedrick Brown
Jason Kapono

Free Agents
Eric Williams
Lee Nailon
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Protected
Dirk Nowitzki
Josh Howard
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Antoine Walker
Marquis Daniels
Jon Stefansson
Eduardo Najera

Unprotected
Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Tony Delk
Shawn Bradley
Danny Fortson

Free Agents
Steve Nash
Travis Best
Scott Williams

DENVER NUGGETS
Protected
Carmelo Anthony
Andre Miller
Earl Boykins
Francisco Elson
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Nene
Voshon Lenard
Chris Andersen

Unprotected
Jeff Trepagnier

Free Agents
Jon Barry
Marcus Camby
Michael Doleac
Mark Pope

DETROIT PISTONS (FINALS)

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Protected
Speedy Claxton
Jason Richardson
Mickael Pietrus
Mike Dunleavy
Troy Murphy
Clifford Robinson
Erick Dampier
Evan Eschmeyer

Unprotected
Nick Van Exel
Popeye Jones

Free Agents
J.R. Bremer
Brian Cardinal
Calbert Cheaney
Adonal Foyle
Avery Johnson

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Protected
Steve Francis
Yao Ming
Jim Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Maurice Taylor
Eric Piatkowski
Adrian Griffin
Bostjan Nachbar

Unprotected
Clarence Weatherspoon

Free Agents
Mark Jackson
Scott Padgett
Mike Wilks

INDIANA PACERS
Protected
Jermaine O'Neal
Ron Artest
Jonathan Bender
Jeff Foster
Al Harrington
Fred Jones
Jamaal Tinsley
Austin Croshere

Unprotected
Reggie Miller
Primoz Brezec
Anthony Johnson
James Jones
Scot Pollard

Free Agents
Kenny Anderson
Jamison Brewer

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Protected
Elton Brand
Corey Maggette
Chris Kaman
Predrag Drobnjak
Chris Wilcox
Melvin Ely
Eddie House
Quentin Richardson

Unprotected
Marco Jaric

Free Agents
Matt Barnes
Keyon Dooling
Josh Moore
Doug Overton
Bobby Simmons
LOS ANGELES LAKERS (FINALS)

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Protected
Pau Gasol
James Posey
Shane Battier
Jason Williams
Mike Miller
Stromile Swift
Lorenzen Wright
Theron Smith

Unprotected
Bonzi Wells
Earl Watson
Troy Bell
Dahntay Jones
Bo Outlaw
Jake Tsakalidis
Ryan Humphrey

MIAMI HEAT
Protected
Lamar Odom
Dwyane Wade
Caron Butler
Udonis Haslem
Malik Allen
Brian Grant
Eddie Jones
Wang Zhizhi

Unprotected
Jerome Beasley

Free Agents
Rafer Alston
Rasual Butler
Bimbo Coles
John Wallace
Samaki Walker
Loren Woods

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Protected
Michael Redd
T.J. Ford
Desmond Mason
Marcus Haislip
Daniel Santiago
Dan Gadzuric
Keith Van Horn
Joe Smith

Unprotected
Erick Strickland

Free Agents
Damon Jones
Brevin Knight
Toni Kukoc

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Protected
Kevin Garnett
Latrell Sprewell
Ervin Johnson
Mark Madsen
Sam Cassell
Michael Olowokandi
Wally Sczcerbiak

Unprotected
Ndudi Ebi

Free Agents
Trenton Hassell
Fred Hoiberg
Troy Hudson
Darrick Martin
Oliver Miller
Gary Trent

NEW JERSEY NETS
Protected
Jason Kidd
Zoran Planinic
Aaron Williams
Brian Scalabrine
Richard Jefferson
Lucious Harris
Jason Collins
Brandon Armstrong

Unprotected
Kerry Kittles
Alonzo Mourning
Rodney Rogers
Tamar Slay

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Protected
Baron Davis
David West
Jamaal Magloire
P.J. Brown
David Wesley
George Lynch
Darrell Armstrong
Courtney Alexander

Unprotected
Jamal Mashburn

Free Agents
Stacey Augmon
Shammond Williams
Robert Traylor
Steve Smith
Maurice Carter

NEW YORK KNICKS
Protected
Stephon Marbury
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Nazr Mohammed
Frank Williams
Mike Sweetney
Al Harrington
Cezary Trybanski

Unprotected
Allan Houston
Penny Hardaway
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Dikembe Mutombo

Free Agents
Vin Baker

ORLANDO MAGIC
Protected
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Juwan Howard
Drew Gooden
Pat Garrity
Andrew DeClercq
Keith Bogans
Steven Hunter

Unprotected
DeShawn Stevenson
Reece Gaines
Zaza Pachulia
Britton Johnson

Free Agents
Derrick Dial

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Protected
Allen Iverson
Eric Snow
John Salmons
Kenny Thomas
Samuel Dalembert
Marc Jackson
Kyle Korver
Willie Green

Unprotected
Derrick Coleman
Greg Buckner
Aaron McKie
Glenn Robinson
Todd MacCulloch

PHOENIX SUNS
Protected
Shawn Marion
Amare Stoudemire
Joe Johnson
Maciej Lampe
Zarko Cabarkapa
Leandrinho Barbosa
Casey Jacobsen
Jake Voskuhl

Unprotected
Howard Eisley
Jahidi White

Free Agents
Keon Clark
Donnell Harvey
Antonio McDyess

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Protected
Zach Randolph
Dale Davis
Damon Stoudemire
Derek Anderson
Darius Miles
Theo Ratliff
Ruben Patterson
Travis Outlaw

Unprotected
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Omar Cook
Dan Dickau
Eddie Gill
Qyntel Woods
Vladimir Stepania

Free Agents
Desmond Ferguson

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Protected
Peja Stojakovic
Brad Miller
Chris Webber
Darius Songaila
Mike Bibby
Doug Christie
Bobby Jackson
Gerald Wallace

Unprotected
Anthony Peeler

Free Agents
Rodney Buford
Vlade Divac
Tony Massenburg
Jabari Smith

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Protected
Radoslav Nesterovic
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Devin Brown
Robert Horry
Malik Rose
Bruce Bowen

Unprotected
Charlie Ward

Free Agents
Emanuel Ginobili
Matt Carroll
Alex Garcia
Jason Hart
Sean Marks
Hidayet Tukoglu
Kevin Willis

SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Protected
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis
Vladimir Radmanovic
Luke Ridnour
Nick Collison
Ronald Murray
Antonio Daniels
Reggie Evans

Unprotected
Richie Frahm
Jerome James
Calvin Booth
Vitaly Potapenko

Free Agents
Brent Barry
Ansu Sesay
Leon Smith

TORONTO RAPTORS
Protected
Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Jalen Rose
Alvin Williams
Jerome Moiso
Donyell Marshall
Roger Mason, Jr.
Milt Palacio

Unprotected
Lamond Murray
UTAH JAZZ
Protected
Matt Harpring
Andrei Kirilenko
Sasha Pavlovic
Raul Lopez
Mo Williams
Raja Bell
Unprotected
Curtis Borchardt

Free Agents
Carlos Arroyo
Jarron Collins
Gordan Giricek
Tom Gugliotta
Mikki Moore
Greg Ostertag
Michael Ruffin

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Protected
Gilbert Arenas
Kwame Brown
Jarvis Hayes
Jared Jefferies
Larry Hughes
Brendan Haywood
Etan Thomas
Steve Blake

Unprotected
Juan Dixon
Jerry Stackhouse
Christian Laettner

Free Agents
Lonny Baxter
Mitchell Butler
Chris Whitney

**BCWWF** · 06-13-2004, 03:15 AM

I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson

**DaveWadding** · 06-13-2004, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Protected
Ervin Johnson

Guess your assumption is wrong.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 06-13-2004, 03:22 AM

Damn lots of good players available. What exactly are the rules again? I just forget the number of players that can go and such

**AlphaBean** · 06-13-2004, 03:23 AM

Shit, I'd rather let Kandi go.

My bro thinks Kandi will have a better season next year, but I dunno. I was on his side when everyone else was against him. He proved me wrong, and I hate looking the fool.

**DaveWadding** · 06-13-2004, 03:25 AM

SUMMARY OF EXPANSION DRAFT RULES

A. Player Selection

The Charlotte Bobcats Expansion Draft will take place on June 22 (if the NBA Finals extend to seven games, it will be June 23), prior to the 2004 NBA Draft on June 24.
The Bobcats will select a minimum of 14 players who are under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season.
The Bobcats may select no more than one player from each team.
The Bobcats can only select players that are left unprotected by an NBA team.
Each of the 29 NBA teams may protect a maximum of eight players on its roster who are under contract or are restricted free agents at the conclusion of the 2003-04 season.
Each of the 29 NBA teams will designate the players on its roster who are eligible for selection by the Bobcats.
Each of the 29 NBA teams must designate at least one player on its roster to be eligible for selection by the Bobcats, even if the team does not have eight players under contract or as restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season.
Any player under contract selected by the Bobcats will immediately be placed on the Bobcats roster.
Any eligible restricted free agent selected by the Bobcats shall immediately become an unrestricted free agent.
Unrestricted free agents are not eligible to be protected nor are they eligible to be selected by the Bobcats.

B. Pre-Expansion Draft Trades

Teams will be permitted to enter into pre-Expansion Draft trades in which Charlotte agrees to select or not select certain unprotected players.

C. Salary Cap

Charlotte will be permitted to select players in the Expansion Draft without regard to the Salary Cap.
Charlotte will have a Salary Cap in its first season equal to 66% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league and a Salary Cap in its second season equal to 75% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league.
Charlotte will be permitted to sign any restricted free agent it selects in the Expansion Draft using the same �Bird,� �Early Bird� or �Non-Bird� Exception that the player�s prior team would have had.
Compensation paid to a selected player under a contract protected for lack of skill will be excluded from Charlotte�s Team Salary if the player�s contract is terminated (via the waiver procedure) prior to the start of the 2004-05 season.
A team with a Team Salary above the Salary Cap will receive a Trade Exception to replace a player (other than a restricted free agent) selected from its unprotected list.

D. Post-Expansion Draft Transactions

A team will not be permitted to reacquire a player that it loses in the Expansion Draft prior to the expiration of one year from the date of the Expansion Draft, unless the player is waived and not claimed by any other team.

PULLED FROM NBA.COM

**The Icon of Elisim** · 06-13-2004, 03:38 AM

Well IMO the 14 best unprotected players available are

Nick Van Exel
Marco Jaric
Bonzi Wells
Earl Watson
Ndudi Ebi
Kerry Kittles
Jamal Mashburn
Allan Houston
Reece Gaines
Glenn Robinson
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Gordan Giricek
Jerry Stackhouse
Jerome Williams

**BCWWF** · 06-13-2004, 03:43 AM

Are those official? I thought they were just some projections that you pulled out of your ass.

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06-10-2004, 09:32 PM	#1
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	NBA Offseason Topic I know this might be a bit early, but the season is essentially done, and a lot of big names are going to be moving around this summer. I heard a rumored trade Wally Szczerbiak and Michael Olowokandi for Allen Iverson. That would be crazy but I don't know how reliable it is. I don't think that T-Mac will stick with the Magic, no matter what, and I think that will be better for the Magic. I could see him going to Phoenix. I don't see Latrell Sprewell going to San Antonio, the only other team really looking at him, because he would have to take a huge paycut and he has no reason to leave. I think Troy Hudson will come back to the Timberwolves, at least he sounds like he wants to. Kobe Bryant is not leaving the Lakers. Rasheed Wallace should stay with the Pistons, how crazy would they be if they signed Theo Ratliff... Will Vlade Divacs retire? More questions etc to be discussed, start going... Dont Mess With Kids

06-13-2004, 03:25 AM	#38
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	SUMMARY OF EXPANSION DRAFT RULES A. Player Selection The Charlotte Bobcats Expansion Draft will take place on June 22 (if the NBA Finals extend to seven games, it will be June 23), prior to the 2004 NBA Draft on June 24. The Bobcats will select a minimum of 14 players who are under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season. The Bobcats may select no more than one player from each team. The Bobcats can only select players that are left unprotected by an NBA team. Each of the 29 NBA teams may protect a maximum of eight players on its roster who are under contract or are restricted free agents at the conclusion of the 2003-04 season. Each of the 29 NBA teams will designate the players on its roster who are eligible for selection by the Bobcats. Each of the 29 NBA teams must designate at least one player on its roster to be eligible for selection by the Bobcats, even if the team does not have eight players under contract or as restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season. Any player under contract selected by the Bobcats will immediately be placed on the Bobcats roster. Any eligible restricted free agent selected by the Bobcats shall immediately become an unrestricted free agent. Unrestricted free agents are not eligible to be protected nor are they eligible to be selected by the Bobcats. B. Pre-Expansion Draft Trades Teams will be permitted to enter into pre-Expansion Draft trades in which Charlotte agrees to select or not select certain unprotected players. C. Salary Cap Charlotte will be permitted to select players in the Expansion Draft without regard to the Salary Cap. Charlotte will have a Salary Cap in its first season equal to 66% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league and a Salary Cap in its second season equal to 75% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league. Charlotte will be permitted to sign any restricted free agent it selects in the Expansion Draft using the same �Bird,� �Early Bird� or �Non-Bird� Exception that the player�s prior team would have had. Compensation paid to a selected player under a contract protected for lack of skill will be excluded from Charlotte�s Team Salary if the player�s contract is terminated (via the waiver procedure) prior to the start of the 2004-05 season. A team with a Team Salary above the Salary Cap will receive a Trade Exception to replace a player (other than a restricted free agent) selected from its unprotected list. D. Post-Expansion Draft Transactions A team will not be permitted to reacquire a player that it loses in the Expansion Draft prior to the expiration of one year from the date of the Expansion Draft, unless the player is waived and not claimed by any other team. PULLED FROM NBA.COM

06-10-2004, 11:08 PM	#2
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	T-Hud of course will say he wants to stay here. He won't even NEGOTIATE an extension, but he wants to stay here. So he will sign for a lot more money to play somewhere else with no chance of a championship... Unless he signs with the Lakers, which is feasible if they lose either or BOTH of their PGs... they would want the player who rocked them last year to keep him away from Minnesota. Iverson is what Reusse wants. I dunno. 35% from the field, injured half the time. He could be a great asset, but he could be Cassell... lead us to the playoffs and watch us get eliminated. I don't want that. Plus I mean, how many attitudes can Flip control? I think the two biggest cancers to the Wolves team are Wally and Kandi, so that would be a good thing. you sons of bitches. Spree will definitely stay here for his 14 million dollar contract. He'd get maybe 8 to play somewhere else, and playing with KG is definitely the place to be. So are you saying Phil Jackson is gone from LA? Ratliff with the Wallaces in Detroit, what the hell hahaha. That better not happen.

06-10-2004, 11:51 PM	#3
CNM Posts: 2,540	Ratliff can't sign with Detroit. First of all, he isn't a free agent. Secondly, Detroit will have to use all of their cap space to keep Sheed (or Okur if Sheed decides to move on).

06-11-2004, 12:30 AM	#4
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yea Pistons have to try to resign Sheed...I was hearing a lot of stuff about how the NY Knicks were REALLY intrested in him...but that sorta died down after he left Portland for whatever reasons.

06-11-2004, 01:36 AM	#5
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Spurs would give Spree good money considering how much cap space they have. I mean look how much they gave to Rasho

06-11-2004, 01:48 AM	#6
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

06-11-2004, 02:20 AM	#8
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Don't discourage the poor unfortunate boy, Outlaw. Clap for him and give him a cookie. Here Dave, have a medal. That joke was amazing. You rule, buddy! High five! You are very special.

06-11-2004, 02:31 AM	#9
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Those jokes are pretty terrible and people always post shit like that about Minnesota fans for some reason (Bean and BCWWF) Pretty stupid too...Neither of you guys are posting unrealistic bullshit either. So posting stuff like that is just dumb.

06-11-2004, 02:35 AM	#10
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

06-11-2004, 02:39 AM	#11
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Dave Wadding, I try so hard to like you, but you might be the most unfunny poster ever

06-11-2004, 03:46 PM	#13
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore. I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better. Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fucking everything up

06-11-2004, 05:35 PM	#15
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I forgot about that, I've heard those Baron Davis rumors also, and personally I think they would make more sense for the 76ers. I think teams in the East need to recognize why the Pistons are good, and understand that no other team in the East is capable of doing what they are, because they have good big men. The East needs to draw some of the big men from the West to compete.

06-11-2004, 06:57 PM	#16
The Show Off Total Non-Stop Apologist Posts: 4,430	All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do. If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this... C - Keon Clark PF - Amare Stotumire SF - Shawn Marion SG - Kobe Bryant PG - Milosh Vulonic If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together.... Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together... Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.

06-11-2004, 07:00 PM	#17
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	*PG - Steve Nash

06-11-2004, 07:19 PM	#18
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Baron Davis will give the Sixers another injury-prone leader, and the Francis trade will bring in another spoiled brat. That makes the Francis deal highly stupid for the Sixers... and the Davis deal stupid for the Hornets. You need health. If your stars stayed healthy you'd have a very competitive squad right thurr. Baron and Mash and Wesley

06-12-2004, 01:33 AM	#19
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Am I the only person who could see Memphis as a candidate to land Kobe? Strong team already with Jerry West in the front office

06-12-2004, 02:33 AM	#21
CNM Posts: 2,540	The Suns won't have enough $ to sign Kobe unless they convince someone to take Jahidi White off their hands.

06-12-2004, 02:34 AM	#22
CNM Posts: 2,540	TIOE: I think Jerry West came out recently and basically said the Grizz have no shot at signing Kobe.

06-12-2004, 03:10 AM	#23
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	in 2000, there was a trade rumor of AI to MIN for KG and Wally. Believe it, it would have been the best trade for my Sixers But to be serious for a moment..... Don't be surprised if Detriot trades for Derrick Coleman, because LARRY BROWN IS DERRICK COLEMAN'S GAY LOVER. Only reason Coleman wasnt the Sixers before their run at the crown was Pat Croce. Once Croce left and didnt have the authority over Brown.... Coleman came back.

06-12-2004, 03:13 AM	#24
Sensei Of Mattitude I'd Do It For the Story Posts: 491	By the way.......... ALLEN IVERSON IS NOT LEAVING THE PHILADELPHIA 76ERS He is staying put. He is still the centerpiece of this team. Hopefully, the FO can put something together to get something around him. I want Derek Fisher. He is the only Laker I personally like. We (76ers) need to get YOUNGER, FASTER and BIGGER.

06-12-2004, 03:28 AM	#25
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Sam Dalembert played well at the end of last season, and last I heard the new 76ers coach didn't want to give up AI, so add some players and maybe...

06-12-2004, 03:46 AM	#26
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Steve Nash is going to the Suns? Really? I havent really heard too much about this at all Surprised Cuban wouldnt have already taken care of this

06-12-2004, 04:16 AM	#27
CNM Posts: 2,540	It's a rumor. He's said he'll consider the Suns. That's about it.

06-12-2004, 04:47 AM	#28
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The Suns need a center

06-12-2004, 04:21 PM	#30
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,212	Kobe will elave the Lakers for one reason and one reason only: his ego. He wants to be the Michael Jordon of a team. He wants to be the hero, the go to guy. He might be that in LA right now, but not really. In LA he will always have to contest with Shaq. It's sad really. I'd rather put the ball in the hands of Kobe rahter than Shaq with say 5 seconds left and your down by 2.

06-12-2004, 04:45 PM	#31
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Splaya, you obviously have no basketball knowledge whatsoever and I kindly ask you to never reply in an NBA thread again.

06-13-2004, 01:03 AM	#32
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	LO mothafukin L

06-13-2004, 02:51 AM	#33
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Here's the lists for the expansion draft: ATLANTA HAWKS Protected Jason Terry Boris Diaw Travis Hansen Chris Crawford Stephen Jackson Unprotected Alan Henderson Free Agents Jason Collier Michael Bradley Obinna Ekezie Mamadou N'diaye Wesley Person Joel Przybilla Zeljko Rebraca Bob Sura Jacque Vaughn BOSTON CELTICS Protected Paul Pierce Ricky Davis Raef LaFrentz Kendrick Perkins Marcus Banks Jiri Welsch Walter McCarty Chris Mihm Unprotected Michael Stewart Brandon Hunter Chucky Atkins Jumaine Jones Free Agents Mark Blount Dana Barros CHICAGO BULLS Protected Eddy Curry Jamal Crawford Kirk Hinrich Tyson Chandler Linton Johnson Jannero Pargo Chris Jefferies Paul Shirley Unprotected Antonio Davis Jerome Williams Eddie Robinson Marcus Fizer Scottie Pippen Free Agents Ronald Dupree Kendall Gill CLEVELAND CAVALIERS Protected LeBron James Carlos Boozer Dajuan Wagner Jeff McInnis Zydrunas Ilgauskas DeSagna Diop Tony Battie Unprotected Kevin Ollie Ira Newble Kedrick Brown Jason Kapono Free Agents Eric Williams Lee Nailon Ruben Boumtje Boumtje DALLAS MAVERICKS Protected Dirk Nowitzki Josh Howard Michael Finley Antawn Jamison Antoine Walker Marquis Daniels Jon Stefansson Eduardo Najera Unprotected Tariq Abdul-Wahad Tony Delk Shawn Bradley Danny Fortson Free Agents Steve Nash Travis Best Scott Williams DENVER NUGGETS Protected Carmelo Anthony Andre Miller Earl Boykins Francisco Elson Nikoloz Tskitishvili Nene Voshon Lenard Chris Andersen Unprotected Jeff Trepagnier Free Agents Jon Barry Marcus Camby Michael Doleac Mark Pope DETROIT PISTONS (FINALS) GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS Protected Speedy Claxton Jason Richardson Mickael Pietrus Mike Dunleavy Troy Murphy Clifford Robinson Erick Dampier Evan Eschmeyer Unprotected Nick Van Exel Popeye Jones Free Agents J.R. Bremer Brian Cardinal Calbert Cheaney Adonal Foyle Avery Johnson HOUSTON ROCKETS Protected Steve Francis Yao Ming Jim Jackson Cuttino Mobley Maurice Taylor Eric Piatkowski Adrian Griffin Bostjan Nachbar Unprotected Clarence Weatherspoon Free Agents Mark Jackson Scott Padgett Mike Wilks INDIANA PACERS Protected Jermaine O'Neal Ron Artest Jonathan Bender Jeff Foster Al Harrington Fred Jones Jamaal Tinsley Austin Croshere Unprotected Reggie Miller Primoz Brezec Anthony Johnson James Jones Scot Pollard Free Agents Kenny Anderson Jamison Brewer LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS Protected Elton Brand Corey Maggette Chris Kaman Predrag Drobnjak Chris Wilcox Melvin Ely Eddie House Quentin Richardson Unprotected Marco Jaric Free Agents Matt Barnes Keyon Dooling Josh Moore Doug Overton Bobby Simmons LOS ANGELES LAKERS (FINALS) MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES Protected Pau Gasol James Posey Shane Battier Jason Williams Mike Miller Stromile Swift Lorenzen Wright Theron Smith Unprotected Bonzi Wells Earl Watson Troy Bell Dahntay Jones Bo Outlaw Jake Tsakalidis Ryan Humphrey MIAMI HEAT Protected Lamar Odom Dwyane Wade Caron Butler Udonis Haslem Malik Allen Brian Grant Eddie Jones Wang Zhizhi Unprotected Jerome Beasley Free Agents Rafer Alston Rasual Butler Bimbo Coles John Wallace Samaki Walker Loren Woods MILWAUKEE BUCKS Protected Michael Redd T.J. Ford Desmond Mason Marcus Haislip Daniel Santiago Dan Gadzuric Keith Van Horn Joe Smith Unprotected Erick Strickland Free Agents Damon Jones Brevin Knight Toni Kukoc MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES Protected Kevin Garnett Latrell Sprewell Ervin Johnson Mark Madsen Sam Cassell Michael Olowokandi Wally Sczcerbiak Unprotected Ndudi Ebi Free Agents Trenton Hassell Fred Hoiberg Troy Hudson Darrick Martin Oliver Miller Gary Trent NEW JERSEY NETS Protected Jason Kidd Zoran Planinic Aaron Williams Brian Scalabrine Richard Jefferson Lucious Harris Jason Collins Brandon Armstrong Unprotected Kerry Kittles Alonzo Mourning Rodney Rogers Tamar Slay NEW ORLEANS HORNETS Protected Baron Davis David West Jamaal Magloire P.J. Brown David Wesley George Lynch Darrell Armstrong Courtney Alexander Unprotected Jamal Mashburn Free Agents Stacey Augmon Shammond Williams Robert Traylor Steve Smith Maurice Carter NEW YORK KNICKS Protected Stephon Marbury Tim Thomas Kurt Thomas Nazr Mohammed Frank Williams Mike Sweetney Al Harrington Cezary Trybanski Unprotected Allan Houston Penny Hardaway Shandon Anderson Moochie Norris Dikembe Mutombo Free Agents Vin Baker ORLANDO MAGIC Protected Tracy McGrady Grant Hill Juwan Howard Drew Gooden Pat Garrity Andrew DeClercq Keith Bogans Steven Hunter Unprotected DeShawn Stevenson Reece Gaines Zaza Pachulia Britton Johnson Free Agents Derrick Dial PHILADELPHIA 76ERS Protected Allen Iverson Eric Snow John Salmons Kenny Thomas Samuel Dalembert Marc Jackson Kyle Korver Willie Green Unprotected Derrick Coleman Greg Buckner Aaron McKie Glenn Robinson Todd MacCulloch PHOENIX SUNS Protected Shawn Marion Amare Stoudemire Joe Johnson Maciej Lampe Zarko Cabarkapa Leandrinho Barbosa Casey Jacobsen Jake Voskuhl Unprotected Howard Eisley Jahidi White Free Agents Keon Clark Donnell Harvey Antonio McDyess PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS Protected Zach Randolph Dale Davis Damon Stoudemire Derek Anderson Darius Miles Theo Ratliff Ruben Patterson Travis Outlaw Unprotected Shareef Abdur-Rahim Omar Cook Dan Dickau Eddie Gill Qyntel Woods Vladimir Stepania Free Agents Desmond Ferguson SACRAMENTO KINGS Protected Peja Stojakovic Brad Miller Chris Webber Darius Songaila Mike Bibby Doug Christie Bobby Jackson Gerald Wallace Unprotected Anthony Peeler Free Agents Rodney Buford Vlade Divac Tony Massenburg Jabari Smith SAN ANTONIO SPURS Protected Radoslav Nesterovic Tim Duncan Tony Parker Devin Brown Robert Horry Malik Rose Bruce Bowen Unprotected Charlie Ward Free Agents Emanuel Ginobili Matt Carroll Alex Garcia Jason Hart Sean Marks Hidayet Tukoglu Kevin Willis SEATTLE SUPERSONICS Protected Ray Allen Rashard Lewis Vladimir Radmanovic Luke Ridnour Nick Collison Ronald Murray Antonio Daniels Reggie Evans Unprotected Richie Frahm Jerome James Calvin Booth Vitaly Potapenko Free Agents Brent Barry Ansu Sesay Leon Smith TORONTO RAPTORS Protected Vince Carter Chris Bosh Jalen Rose Alvin Williams Jerome Moiso Donyell Marshall Roger Mason, Jr. Milt Palacio Unprotected Lamond Murray UTAH JAZZ Protected Matt Harpring Andrei Kirilenko Sasha Pavlovic Raul Lopez Mo Williams Raja Bell Unprotected Curtis Borchardt Free Agents Carlos Arroyo Jarron Collins Gordan Giricek Tom Gugliotta Mikki Moore Greg Ostertag Michael Ruffin WASHINGTON WIZARDS Protected Gilbert Arenas Kwame Brown Jarvis Hayes Jared Jefferies Larry Hughes Brendan Haywood Etan Thomas Steve Blake Unprotected Juan Dixon Jerry Stackhouse Christian Laettner Free Agents Lonny Baxter Mitchell Butler Chris Whitney

06-13-2004, 03:15 AM	#34
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson

06-13-2004, 03:22 AM	#36
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Damn lots of good players available. What exactly are the rules again? I just forget the number of players that can go and such

06-13-2004, 03:23 AM	#37
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Shit, I'd rather let Kandi go. My bro thinks Kandi will have a better season next year, but I dunno. I was on his side when everyone else was against him. He proved me wrong, and I hate looking the fool.