MLB Season Thread

[ct2k]

Sidney Ponson pitched a complete game and didn't get knocked around for the first time in ages, thanks Sidney:|

[ct2k]

Hudson's never won it

Yeah, all three of em are 20 game winners though and Mulder will certainly be in the running for the AL Cy Young this time around

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Mets won the Kris Benson sweepstakes.</font> :cool:

[DaveWadding]

and the Victor Zambrano sweepstakes.

I :love: the Mets staff right now.

[Loose Cannon]

Hudson never did it? Dam, I could of sworn he did. Oh well. Would of been cool :-\

[Loose Cannon]

Just checked, he was 2nd in 2000. Dam Pedro :mad: And Mulder was 2nd in 2001

[The Outlaw]

Braves whatttup

[The Miz]

The Marlins completely raped the Dodgers in the LoDuca/Mota for Penny/Choi trade

[Excellance of Execution]

I just heard on FOX, the Yanks traded Contreras to the White Sox for Estaban Loaiza. Also, Steve Finley got traded to the Dodger's.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

:( @ Nomar leaving

"Defense, Defense, Defense" its all I am hearing now, the Sox are one of the top teams in runs scored, but they I dunno I think that is misleading. They don't get the runs when they really matter, I always notice lopsided scores like 8-1, 7-2, etc but then the loses are like 4-2 after the Sox don't score a run with the bases loaded :mad:

Going to miss the offense BIG TIME, I don't like this trade at all, I don't care about a Gold Glove first basemen. He has 5 HR and 25 RBI. I bet if Dave McCarty (known for his defense at 1st) played as much as Mientkiewicz has played he would be putting up those numbers too, and McCarty is already on the team.

[The Miz]

LOL good job Trot Nixon. Lose the season because you want to jump on a Yankee spot starter. Wow he showed them, what a team player. :y:

Stima, this is a good trade for the Sox. The Yankees don't have any .300 hitters and it's well-known how shit their starting 5 is. So why are they 8 games up? Jeter, Rodriguez, Lofton, Matsui, Posada are all excellent defenders. It's hard to say anything good about any Red Sox player's D other than Damon. And Mientkiewicz is just in a slump, he's not a power hitter or RBI guy but the Sox already have plenty of those. He has hit .300 with 65+ RBI's a few times in the past.

I think what both the Red Sox and Yankees don't realize is that 9 40 HR hitters isn't going to win you championships. Look at the Marlins last year, they had 1 superstar and 8 above average players. Consistent pitching, excellent defense and timely hitting. And they beat the shit out of the Yankees.

[Loose Cannon]

Are starting five is shit? I don't know how you can call them shit when we have the best record in the league. Maybe "aren't that great" But, Shit?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOAIZA.


I feel terrible about Nomar though. He was like Jeter to the Yanks. Sucks.

[The Miz]

Maybe shit is too strong a word but I mean cmon when you got guys like Tanyon Sturtze and Brad Halsey in there..

[Loose Cannon]

yeah, they suck.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Trot Nixon has been hurt all year anyways, I dunno what role the schuff played in him going to the DL.

Probably is a good trade, but I am just sad to see Nomar going. Its rough to see your favorite player leave your favorite team while he is still in the prime of his career. I will always be a Nomar fan, aslong as he doesn't land on the Yanks.

[ct2k]

I've always been a huge Nomar fan and i'm gonna miss him being on the Sox :-\

And as for the Yanks rotation, well Kevin Brown pitched a gem on his return the other night, El Duque has been very good apart from that early exit the other night, although that wasn't from being knocked around. With Loaiza added in, Vazquez having a good year and Mussina on the way back, that's 5 all-star pitchers and a 20 game winner in Jon Lieber if we need him, i'm confident

[ct2k]

Getting Nomar into the line-up can't do Maddux any harm tonight, i hope he gets the win he deserves it so much!

I think we get Cards/Giants on channel 5 tonight, and Jason Schmidt is starting so no complaints from me!

[Terra Ryzin]

GO METS!!!!

great trade, 3 of your best prospects for 2 pitchers looking at 30 in their walk year. Funny how Kazmir was so untouchable, even for Soriano, A-Rod, Zito ect, but they trade him for a pitcher who couldnt find the strike zone for the Big Show. Awesome Duquette, and Wilpont

[DaveWadding]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040801/capt.cxc11508012148.phillies_cubs_cxc115.jpg

NOMAH NOMAH NOMAH

[The Miz]

Yeah seriously Benson is incredibly overrated

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Good thing we picked up all those defensive guys...worked out well today

[Loose Cannon]

^^lol is that sarcasm, if so, what happened? I haven't watched Baseball Tonight yet.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Orlando booted a ball, legit, he kicked it

He did hit a dinger tho

[Loose Cannon]

lol.

Hey doesn't that guy in the pic up there look like Giambi? The guy with the black shirt on.

[The Miz]

Its one game stima :rant:

[The Miz]

lol.

Hey doesn't that guy in the pic up there look like Giambi? The guy with the black shirt on.
nah if it was giambi hed probably be dizzy about to fall over

[Loose Cannon]

oh shit, I thought Nomar was giving the finger to the fans for a sec. wtf

[ct2k]

God fucking dammit the Yanks need another decent middle reliever, we can't rely on Quantrill and Gordon every goddamn game, Heredia has been very hit and miss this year and Sturtze just isn't doing the job as he has proven thus far against the A's

[The Outlaw]

Chill out.

Anyone read the story about The Rocket? Got tossed from a little league game. Said he spit a sunflower seed and it hit the umpire's leg. LOL what the

[Loose Cannon]

SHEFF just Jacked one out. Bottom 9 to tie it. WOOOOOO.

[Dragon]

A-Rod hits a homer to win it.

[Loose Cannon]

A-RODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. GOOD NIGHT A'S.

[ct2k]

Well that was well worth staying up til 5am to see:D

[ct2k]

And Kevin Brown just threw 8 shutout innings against the red hot A's.

:love:

[ct2k]

And Chicago has Robby Alomar...Can't hurt their chances

[The Miz]

Rockies traded Larry Walker to the Cardinals :|

[The Miz]

1. Womack
2. Renteria
3. Pujols
4. Rolen
5. Edmonds
6. Walker
7. Matheny
8. Lankford/Mabry/Cedeno
9. pitcher

God damn, hot lineup

[The Miz]

haha anyone see the ending to the D-Rays game. Only the Mariners :(

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, we don't get any Triple A games here.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Heard the Sox last again..god damn

I didnt really see any of the game, but they better make the playoffs this year. With that Roster I really don't see how they aren't atleast a Wildcard winner :rant:

[The Miz]

Texas loss today is the start of a big losing streak, trust me. The lack of pitching depth is finally going to haunt them which is why Oakland will be taking the West and Boston the wildcard

[The Miz]

BTW the AL playoff teams are gonna be the same as last year.

[The Miz]

Nah, we don't get any Triple A games here.
A bunch of Triple A guys did pretty good last year against the Yankees in the series. :?:

[ct2k]

Jesus, that Cards line-up is ridiculous

[BCWWF]

We should walk away with it now.

Oh no! Freddy Garcia, Carl Everett, ROBERTO ALOMAR :eek: NOOOOOO

BTW, 18 innings today? WTF

[The Miz]

Hey on the bright side they played 2 games and only lost 1

[BCWWF]

Lol. We have a tough August, but at least we are playing good now so I'm confident that nobody creeps up on us now.

[The Miz]

Well it's definately not Chicago, the only team that has a chance to sneak up is Cleveland if they can get really hot and the Twins slack off a little. But I doubt it considering how much more experienced the Twins are. They'll probably have to face the Yankees in the 1st round again though :wavesad:

[BCWWF]

I think we would most likely play the A's in the first round actually. I'm not sure how it works, but our record will either be 2nd or 3rd best while the Yankee's are the best, so I am pretty sure the only way we would play them is if Boston got the Wildcard and we were third in the AL. I don't know if that makes any sense?

Cleveland will be real good in a year or two, but they don't have the pitching to catch up this year.

I think we have a better chance of upsetting them this year than last. As of todays newspaper Santana is the AL leader in ERA as well as K's, Juan Rincon has a 9-4 record with the second best ERA as a middle reliever, Joe Nathan is one of the top closers in the AL this year, and Radke is top 15 in ERA. If we could somehow get Miguel Batista through wavers I wouldn't call us a huge underdog if we played right now. Than again, a lot will probably change, they will have everyone back and we won't be as hot, so meh.

[BCWWF]

By the way, The Cardinals are my second team and are running away with the NL now, but it is a stretch to say that they are a better team than the Cubs. Come playoff time when the Cubs are healthy, good offense great pitching, that will be the series of the year.

[ct2k]

So 4 Yankee starters in a row pitched 8 strong innings getting the win...But our starting pitching sucks right?

Also, how good is El Duque since he's been back?:eek:

[BCWWF]

Your starting pitching sucks when Kevin Brown is on the DL and Mussina is underachieving. You have like six pitchers, I would assume Brown, Mussina, Vazquez, maybe El Duque start in the playoffs.

Johan and Radke are both pitching better than your 1 and 2 guys this year, but underestimating the small market is only an advantage to us.

[ct2k]

Brown, Mussina, Vazquez, Hernandez, Loaiza

I guess one of those guys is gonna be left out :-\

[The Miz]

If I was Torre I'd leave out Loaiza. If you're trying to make a playoff run I don't see how you can leave a former World Series MVP out of the rotation

[ct2k]

I'd have to agree, Hernandez and Brown both have a fair amount of post season and world series experience, Vazquez has been the one constant this year for them and Mussina has been much been one of the top AL pitchers of the last decade +

[Astley316]

I just wish the marlins could accuratly balance there pitching, if there roation does well, the offence does jack, if there offence puts good numbers, the pitching seems to struggle, i dont see us making the ground in the wildcard and the braves are on such a run i dont think we can catch them either

[ct2k]

Some fan support and pro player wouldn't hurt either

[The Miz]

A's called up Jairo Garcia :cool: This kid is the next Mariano if you were not aware

[The Miz]

Edgar announced his retirement today. Things keep getting better for the M's. I bet Ichiro is gonna die in a plane crash tomorrow or something

[Astley316]

Some fan support and pro player wouldn't hurt either


that's true i dont know why they dont fill that staidum, because there not a bad team, they have a lot of decent players, but hopefully they will get there new staidum, a better ballpark and more people will go

[ct2k]

Yeah there's something about Pro Player, the look of it that just isn't as appealing as most modern ballparks :-\

Also, it's pretty shit seeing Edgar go, always been a favourite of mine

[BCWWF]

I like Pro Player, at least it looks cool in video games.

The Miz, Ichiro is the man. I was so excited when I watched his average rise in the past two weeks. You've got yourself a clean stud in Ichiro. I'm glad he's back to form, and I like the M's too, its too bad they stink this year.

Its kind of funny how far I-Rod's average fell and how fast, did anyone else notice that?

My only connection to the baseball world in the past two weeks has been the Plattsburgh, New York newspaper's box scores, so I've been looking at all that crack.

[ct2k]

Yeah Pudge was up around 370 not too long ago and it just plummited

[BCWWF]

I thought this was funny, a few days ago Frank Thomas was quoted saying "The way the Twins are playing right now we should be able to walk away with the division"

[BCWWF]

The last play of the Twins/Mariners game, the Twins announcers were speculating "It looks like his arm" after Koskie was down rolling on the ground and getting slid into by Bloomquist. Then they showed the replay and it was pretty apparant that he got a helmet to the groin, but the announcers couldn't say it, it seemed funny.

[The Outlaw]

:rofl:

[Apprentice]

Where's all the love for the Dodgers? They've been as hot as the Cards since the all star break and haven't let up. Even with no real ace, they still continue to plod away with Beltre having an MVP year. If the Cards can get away with their rotation, I think the Dodgers rotation can take them on with Penny, Perez, Lima and Weaver with Gagne to close. Or maybe I'm just too die hard of a Dodgers fan. :p

[BCWWF]

I think they would have been better to keep Mota, but getting Finley was key and its cool that they're making the playoffs again. Also, I think Beltre should win the gold glove at third. Thats really all I think though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Never gonna get to Gagne when the set up man sucks and keeps blowing leads

[Loose Cannon]

Dodgers should come back to Brooklyn

[DaveWadding]

Also, I think Beltre should win the gold glove at third.


Scott...Rolen?

[BCWWF]

Scott Rolen isn't above and beyond way better than Beltre. I think Beltre makes more good plays and has more range.

[The Outlaw]

No.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Rolen and Beltre is close but I'd give it to Rolen I think

Some people play it off like Beltre isn't even in the same class tho which isn't the case.

[BCWWF]

Some people play it off like Beltre isn't even in the same class tho which isn't the case.
Thank you Stima. Outlaw have you ever even seen Beltre play?

[CNM]

Rolen will win the Gold Glove. Beltre is good, but he's not in Rolen's class.

[King Chrös III]

I think Rolen will win it too, because he is more consistent and obviously he is a name brand player, which helps a lot. I just think that Beltre makes more cool plays, or web gems if you would.

[ct2k]

Rolen is fantastic, some of the plays he makes are unbelievable, not that Beltre isn't brilliant, because he is, but i'd give it to Rolen aswell.

[The Outlaw]

Thank you Stima. Outlaw have you ever even seen Beltre play?
Yes.

[ct2k]

Who do you guys think will end up MVP in the respective leagues?

I'm thinking Barry again right now in the NL, he's not my favourite guy but without him the Giants would be nowhere, he's the only one keeping things going there the whole season. If one of the St Louis guys wins it i'll be pissed. As for the AL, i'm biased and gonna say Gary Sheffield is up there for me, he's done it all this year for us banged up aswell.

[BCWWF]

AL will most likely be Manny or A-Rod, but possibly David Ortiz, Ivan Rodriguez or Michael Young.

NL I don't think will be Bonds this year, I would say probably Rolen as of right now.

[ct2k]

Yeah, unfortunately people look at who has the most astonishing stats rather than the one who's actually been most valuable to the team. The Cards have Pujols, Renteria and Edmonds anyway, and Larry Walker now...I don't think Rolen has been as important to the Cards as Bonds has to the Giants.

[BCWWF]

Bonds #'s aren't as good as they have been and the Giants aren't going to make the playoffs whereas Rolen is having career numbers and leading the best team in the AL. I think he should get it.

[ct2k]

Bear in mind he's walking about half the time he's up there.

[The Miz]

<font size="2" color="#2d5980" face="trebuchet ms">Last time I checked MVP was "most valuable to your team". The Cardinals would still be in first place without Rolen, but the Giants would be down there with the D'backs without Bonds. And if Bonds saw half the pitches Rolen did, he could hit 80 home runs.

And last time I checked, the Giants were 2 games out of the wildcard. With how shit the Cubs and Padres have been playing lately, the Giants making the playoffs is a very real possibility.</font>

[BCWWF]

Ohh, shit, I forgot about that clause in the rulebook where it states

MVP was "most valuable to your team"

If thats the case then Lew Ford should be the AL MVP, unfortunately its not the case

[ct2k]

Yup. Bonds is putting up great numbers in far less at bats than anyone else, basically in history, let alone this season, he's the only Giant with 10+ home runs, the Cards have what 8? And the Giants don't have the same depth in the rotation as the Cards who have 5 quality starters. Bonds as a team leader and offensive demon is what is keeping the Giants anywhere close, that and Felipe Alou who has done a great job.

[BCWWF]

Bonds is the opposite of a team leader, actually.

There is a case for both guys, Bonds is one of the best players ever and still putting up great numbers on a decent team this year. Rolen, IMO is the best overall player this year, he can hit for power and average, has tonns of RBI's, good HR's, gold glove quality fielding, and in the first half of the season Pujols, Edmonds, and Renteria were struggling a bit and Rolen lead their team to the best record on the NL.

Its really just a difference of oppinion on our parts, so I guess now we just wait for the voting, see what the writers think.

[BCWWF]

This could be the biggest series of the year in the AL central, lets hope it goes well

[ct2k]

I reckon Rolen isn't far from being a shoe in for it tbh, barring an injury its gonna be hard to see anyone else getting it. Though i still think its Barry

[Apprentice]

AL: Vlad Guerrero
NL: Scott Rolen

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Bonds should get it. Like everyone has said, without Bonds the Giants are nothing. Not to mention Pitcher won't even pitch to Barry, they are scared of him because of how good he is. I am not a Bonds fan at all but I think he should win it again this year.

[ct2k]

Yesssssssssss! We get Yankees/Twins tonight, Mussina/Santana, should be great, first time we've seen Minnesota this year.

Also, Mark Teixera hitting for the cycle with 7 rbi's:eek:

[BCWWF]

Santana will work you, party in my room begins NOW

[The Outlaw]

Yeah Bonds is a great leader, what with him being a dick to teamates and all.

[BCWWF]

I did change my mind by the way, I do think Bonds should be the MVP now. I just wanted to let everyone know. I looked at the stats etc again and yeah, he deserves it IMO.

[ct2k]

Santana was pretty awesome last night. Mussina didn't do too badly considering it was his first start in a while, kept letting the lead of men get on base, which is what was his downfall really.

[DegenerationY]

I think even without Bonds, the Giants would be a decent team. I wouldn't say they'd be subpar.

JT Snow, as old as he is, is having an AMAZING season. Jason Schmidt is probably going to win the Cy Young. The Giants have a bunch of young players that are actually starting to come through. Wayne Franklin is going to be a badass pitcher in the near future.

Alfonso will be never be amazing, but he's a solid 3B.
Deivi Cruz is solid at short.
Ray Durham is the man, offensively, and coming around defensively.
Pedro Feliz is waiting in the wings for his breakout season
Dustan Mohr has been on fire for the last month or so, with him getting playtime.
AJ Pierzinsky is stepping it up the last couple months and has become what everybody expected him to be when the Giants first got him.

Only thing is, they have too many aging outfielders (Tucker, Grissom) who are starting to show their age.
The rest of the team IS solid. Maybe not World Series caliber, but definitely playoff caliber. They WILL win the Wild Card this season. They will also lose in the first round, but... What i'm trying to convey is that they aren't "nothing" without Bonds.

[House of Pancakes]

<font size="2" color="#2d5980" face="trebuchet ms">Last time I checked MVP was "most valuable to your team". The Cardinals would still be in first place without Rolen, but the Giants would be down there with the D'backs without Bonds. And if Bonds saw half the pitches Rolen did, he could hit 80 home runs.

And last time I checked, the Giants were 2 games out of the wildcard. With how shit the Cubs and Padres have been playing lately, the Giants making the playoffs is a very real possibility.</font>

Didn't A-Rod win it last year?

[ct2k]

I think even without Bonds, the Giants would be a decent team. I wouldn't say they'd be subpar.

JT Snow, as old as he is, is having an AMAZING season. Jason Schmidt is probably going to win the Cy Young. The Giants have a bunch of young players that are actually starting to come through. Wayne Franklin is going to be a badass pitcher in the near future.

Alfonso will be never be amazing, but he's a solid 3B.
Deivi Cruz is solid at short.
Ray Durham is the man, offensively, and coming around defensively.
Pedro Feliz is waiting in the wings for his breakout season
Dustan Mohr has been on fire for the last month or so, with him getting playtime.
AJ Pierzinsky is stepping it up the last couple months and has become what everybody expected him to be when the Giants first got him.

Only thing is, they have too many aging outfielders (Tucker, Grissom) who are starting to show their age.
The rest of the team IS solid. Maybe not World Series caliber, but definitely playoff caliber. They WILL win the Wild Card this season. They will also lose in the first round, but... What i'm trying to convey is that they aren't "nothing" without Bonds.

They wouldn't be close in the wildcard without him, and they'd certainly be a lot more than 6 games back of the Dodgers. St Louis would probably still be winning the Central without Rolen, probably not as dominating but still on top

[DegenerationY]

I actually doubt that they wouldn't be close in the wildcard race.

Sure, the pitching is a bit shakey. But as a team, the Giants have one of the highest team batting averages in the NL. Everybody's been saying that the Giants are nothing without Bonds since he arrived. No, they wouldn't be the best team obviously, but the team is a solid wild-card contending team without him, IMO of course.

We'll see in two seasons, when Bonds retires.

[DegenerationY]

Fact of the matter is, you technically have no idea what you're talking about since you don't see them on a daily basis, as I do. You see what ESPN wants you to see, which is a Barry Bonds HR or a Barry Bonds walk. That's all they ever show, barring a Jason Schmidt gem.

When you see them everyday like I do, you'd see there's much more to the team than just Barry.

[Loose Cannon]

1 player DOES NOT make a difference. The Giants have a good all around team and good pitching. They would be in the playoffs with or without Bonds.

[BCWWF]

I think you phrased yourself wrong, because one player does make a difference, but not the difference between a 500 team and a wildcard winner, thats what you meant right?

[ct2k]

You guys aren't looking at it fully. Taking Bonds away completely changes what the Giants are, they no longer have the big bat, their biggest star is now a guy who appears once every 5 or 6 days, Edgardo Alfonzo and JT Snow are their main offensive etc. Basically they lose that aura that Bonds brings, he's no longer smashing the ball all areas and getting the crowd going. Not having him is far bigger an impact than just losing the batting stats. Also, their batting average is high, it wouldn't be tops without Bonds hitting 350+ this year would it?

[Loose Cannon]

You are looking at it as if offense is the only thing that wins the game though. Take away Bonds and put someone else in there who's not as good as Bonds, but a good hitter and the Giants will still be where they are. Bonds is only a small piece to a good team.

Look at the Rangers of last year. They had A-Rod and what you just said about Bonds getting the crowd going can be said about A-ROD. Did the Rangers do good with A-ROD? Hell no. Who's the star player on the Rangers right now? Who's the star player on the Indians? Who was the star player on the Angels in 2002? Yankees in 98? Nobody. Each guy was the star on the team. There was no one guy that made a difference. 9 guys playing good baseball make a difference.

[BCWWF]

Technically the Twins have never had a superstar pitcher and were on track to win our third division championship in three years, to add to Loose Cannons point.

[ct2k]

I'd say Santana is a star pitcher, the second half he's been amazing, i had no idea how unstoppable he's been.

[BCWWF]

Hate to be a fan, but all Mulder has over Santana is like three wins and three losses..


Santana > Mulder
Strike Outs

Santana > Mulder
ERA

Etc. Etc.

[ct2k]

I'd have to agree there, not taking anything away from Mulder mind, Santana's gotta be up there in contention for the AL Cy Young, whether he'll get it or not is another matter.

El Duque looked human for the first time this year last night, but i reckon he's gonna be a shoe for the post season rotation.

[Apprentice]

Damn you Gagne and your last two outings! Come on man and get your act together dude!! :-\

[The Miz]

I don't watch much Twins game but Mark Mulder is not the AL Cy Young, his ERA is like 5 since the All Star Break and the wins are due to ridiculous run support. Tim Hudson has been the A's bets pithcer this year

[Loose Cannon]

You're kidding me right?

Let's just take a look at the stats and you decide:

Hudon

W: 8
L 4
ERA: 2.95
IP: 128.1
CG: 3
SHO: 2
SO: 66


MULDER:
W: 16
L: 4
ERA: 3.75
IP: 185.0
CG: 5
SHO: 1
SO: 119

Now, Hudon's been injured. I know. But saying he has been the A's best pitcher this year is not right.

[Loose Cannon]

And Santana has got Mulder out numbered on a lot of stats. It's going to be close.

[The Miz]

You're an idiot. Mulder has 25 starts and Hudson has 18. Look at the ERA, Hudson has been more effective. If Mulder had the run support that Hudson has gotten this season he would probably be creeping up on 10 losses. Hudson hasn't gotten shit all year and still has a very respectable record.

[ct2k]

Hudson is the A's ace imo despite Mulder's awesome year

[ct2k]

I'm really impressed with the way Jon Lieber has been pitching recently, he's been hot and cold all year but hopefully he'll carry it on, its not gonna be easy for Torre to choose 4 from the 6

[Loose Cannon]

You're an idiot. Mulder has 25 starts and Hudson has 18. Look at the ERA, Hudson has been more effective. If Mulder had the run support that Hudson has gotten this season he would probably be creeping up on 10 losses. Hudson hasn't gotten shit all year and still has a very respectable record.

Didn't take long for the name calling did it? I'm looking at the stats and who's done more for the A'S? Mulder. Your looking at it like ERA decides if you are the better pitcher or not. Look at the Innings Pitched and the CG. Mulder is way up there. Best in the American League. Every other stat is Mulder. Yeah, Hudson has been injured. I know, I said that. How do you know his ERA wouldn't be higher if he had more starts? You can't say Hudson has been the A's best pitcher. Mulder has pitched a ton of more games and has done a lot more. Doesn't matter if Hudson has not had the oppurtunity. Mulder has him on everything.

I'll give you Hudson has been the best after the AS break, but ALL SEASON, IT'S Mulder.

[The Miz]

Yeah, lets look at stats some more. Stats never lie. How many Hudson starts have you watched this year? Mulder?

[Loose Cannon]

And your run support claim is crap. I just looked at all his games. The A's had games in there where they scored 13, 16, and 11 runs, but Mulder still only gave up 3 or 4 runs over 7 innings. The games where he gave up a lot of runs, the A's have lost. It's not like he's giving up 12 runs and the A's are scoring 16.

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, lets look at stats some more. Stats never lie. How many Hudson starts have you watched this year? Mulder?

so, you're telling me the stats are bullshit? Well if they are then my whole argument is bullshit and I'll say Hudson is the better pitcher.

[The Miz]

Since you seem to like to dig up stats (which are always right), how about you search this one for me: runs per game in Hudson starts and runs per game in Mulder starts

[The Miz]

so, you're telling me the stats are bullshit? Well if they are then my whole argument is bullshit and I'll say Hudson is the better pitcher.
Stats aren't bullshit but you shouldn't look into them so much. Adam Dunn has more homeruns than Barry Bonds this year, who's the better power hitter?

[Loose Cannon]

^^Yeah, but that's one stat. Like I said before with the ERA, one stat doesn't mean you're the better pitcher. Look, I like Hudson and I think he is one hell of a pitcher. But this year, the whole year, Mulder has done more for the A's. That's all I'm saying.

And I'm looking for your run support stat.

[The Miz]

But this year, the whole year, Mulder has done more for the A's.
That part I agree with. Mulder and Durazo are the A's MVPs. All I'm saying is Hudson has pitched better this year and would probably have better numbers if he had equal oppurtunities.

[Loose Cannon]

That part I agree with. Mulder and Durazo are the A's MVPs. All I'm saying is Hudson has pitched better this year and would probably have better numbers if he had equal oppurtunities.

Dammit, what was I arguing then? :lol: This is why I hate arguing on messsage boards.

Okay, if you don't look at the fact that Hudson's missed games, then yeah I'll agree that's Hudson's pitched better. But it's hard for me to say that when Mulder had had a lot more chances to fuck up.

I couldn't find the dam run support stat. :mad: It's going to be higher for Mulder anyway cause he's pitched in more games.

But Opponent Batting Average is Higher for Hudson by like 20 points.

[BCWWF]

Lol, I tried to rep you guys but I already have in this thread apparantly :sad:

[Apprentice]

Beltre is freakin amazing! 4 homers in 2 days, including one off Smoltz. Beltre for MVP!! :love:

[Apprentice]

Who you guys got for manager of the year?

My picks
NL: Bobby Cox(Atlanta Braves)
AL: Buck Showalter(Texas Rangers)

[ct2k]

I'm very undecided about manager of the year at the moment. With the Cy Young/Gold Glove/MVP i'm getting fairly set in my picks

[The Miz]

My picks as of right now

AL MVP: Vlad Guerrero
NL MVP: Barry Bonds
AL CY: Johan Santana
NL CY: Jason Schmidt
AL ROTY: Bobby Crosby
NL ROTY: Khalil Greene
AL MOTY: Buck Showalter
NL MOTY: Jim Tracy

[ct2k]

Mine as of right now:

AL MVP: Gary Sheffield
NL MVP: Barry Bonds

AL Cy Young: Johan Santana
NL Cy Young: Jason Schmidt

AL ROTY: Bobby Crosby

undecided about the rest so far

[The Outlaw]

Beltre is freakin amazing! 4 homers in 2 days, including one off Smoltz. Beltre for MVP!! :love:Do you want me to slap you now or later? :mad:

[Apprentice]

Do you want me to slap you now or later? :mad:

Hahaha. why? you a braves fan?

[CNM]

My picks:

AL MVP: Vladimir Guerrero
NL MVP: Barry Bonds
AL CY: Johan Santana
NL CY: Jason Schmidt
AL ROTY: Bobby Crosby
NL ROTY: Matt Holliday
AL MOTY: Buck Showalter
NL MOTY: Bobby Cox

[BCWWF]

AL MVP: A-Rod
NL MVP: Bonds
AL CY: Santana
NL CY: Schmidt
AL ROTY: Crosby (You're all lucky Lew and Morneau aren't eligable and Mauer was injured :mad:
NL ROTY: No Idea?
AL MOTY: Torre
NL MOTY: Cox (underrated)

[The Outlaw]

Hahaha. why? you a braves fan?
Yes. :mad:

Yeah I think Cox should actually get MOTY this year. I'm always down on him because everyone praises him like a legend but this year he has done really well with what he has methinks. :y:

[The Miz]

If Cox is so underrated life all of you guys are saying, don't you think he should have a little more to show for than 1 championship in 13 tries.

[The Outlaw]

If Cox is so underrated life all of you guys are saying, don't you think he should have a little more to show for than 1 championship in 13 tries.
See my post. ;)

Ive never been a huge fan of him for this reason, but this year I applaud him for what he has done, whether they wins a championship/division title or not.

[Apprentice]

Yea, I just think Cox has done an amazing job this year. He lost Maddux, Lopez and Sheffield and then made some great moves with Estrada, Drew and John Thompson??? He deserves a lot of credit when all the experts out there dismissed Atlanta as a 3rd place team at best in the east.

[BCWWF]

I say he is underrated because of all the division titles, world series appearances, winning seasons etc. Maybe they only won the World Series once, but most of those times he probably wasn't coaching the better team, I don't think he is unable to manage a World Series champion. The way I look at it is that he has managed so many different teams so far when, this year especially, his team is not the most talented by far. I don't think he should have won MOY's every year, but as a whole I consider him a pretty good manager.

[The Miz]

Well the 1999 Series the Braves were ridiculously better than the Yankees. Torre outmanaged him badly.

[The Miz]

Yea, I just think Cox has done an amazing job this year. He lost Maddux, Lopez and Sheffield and then made some great moves with Estrada, Drew and John Thompson??? He deserves a lot of credit when all the experts out there dismissed Atlanta as a 3rd place team at best in the east.
He made those moves? Ever heard of a General Manager? The Braves have one of the best, too abd their manager can never do anything with the players he gets him.

[Apprentice]

He made those moves? Ever heard of a General Manager? The Braves have one of the best, too abd their manager can never do anything with the players he gets him.

Well, i understand the GM made those moves but I just feel Cox has done a great job fitting those players in this year after losing so many essential players from last year. Thats compared to lets say Williams in Houston who got Clemens and Pettite and Beltran and continued to lose. I just feel that makes Cox a legit manager of the year.

[ct2k]

The Braves are lucky guys like JD Drew and Johnny Estrada have had awesome seasons as much as they are for having Cox. He's done the same thing he's always done, which is a good job, this is hardly a crappy team he's got.

[The Outlaw]

They have a lot of solid players, but you can't say you didn't say they were going to suck this year. Everyone was saying J "DL" DRew (pure comedy right there) was going to bust and whatnot, but they've just played great together, and Chipper is FINALLY coming around. They don't really have a superstar, so I say Cox is doing a better job than he normally does (AKA what Miz referred to :mad: )

[BCWWF]

The Braves don't have the most talented team in the NL East this year, at least in my opinion they don't, but this is why I think they are winning:

My schools track team is a dynasty, we had won six straight state championships going into this year, but going into my senior year we clearly did not have the same talent on our team that we had in the years past. What happened, with good coaching and the motivation of not failing the guys before us, we pulled together and in the state meet we ended only four points behind a team much better than us (826 to 830, so four points is unbelievably close).

I think that is the same thing with the Braves this year, they are the best team over the past 15 years, but then this year they suddenly lost a lot of their talent. In the beginning they were playing like they should have, a 500 team trailing Phily and Florida. Then, when everyone else knew they weren't as good and were glad that they wouldn't be going to the playoffs for the first time in forever, they had something to prove and the players started playing harder and harder, and now because of good coaching and the tradition that goes with them, they look to prove everyone wrong and make the playoffs again.

If you have never been on a team like this, that may sound out there, but I guarantee you that their history is definately part of why they broke out. Its the same thing with teams like the Packers and the Yankees, you don't want to be the players on that team to lose, you are playing behind great tradition, and it really does help you win.

[ct2k]

Good point BCWWF. Mike Hampton and Chipper both finally coming around certainly hasn't hurt them either. I think with the Phillies it's down a good part to the disappointing pitching. As for the central, the Cubs and Astros just shouldn't be so far back with the talent they have, i don't care how good St Louis are.

[Corkscrewed]

Meanwhile, the Dodgers got back on the winning track by spanking the Expos and the Angels continue to win even when they do things the wrong way (like giving up 5 runs in five innings and stranding an army on the bases). :D

Here's to a Freeway World Series (yes, I can dream).

[Adder]

Alexis Rios in Toronto, had he been given the chance to play all year, would be the AL ROY.

Crosby is good too, but keep your eye on Rios in the future. [/Nostradamus]

[BCWWF]

Damnit, Joe Nathan has choked twice in the past week. Until then he was on track to be one of the elite closers in the game, only one blown save, under 1.00 era, over 30 saves, now within the span of a week his ERA is above 2. Damnit Joe, we need you man!

[ct2k]

Yeah Mariano did that a while back, his era was at about .89 or something then he blew two in a row and it was back to a mere excellent 2.5:p Still, 43 saves this year already:eek: Quantrill, Gordon and Rivera have been amazing this year for us:y:

[Apprentice]

Its been crazy world for closers the past week or 2. Nathan, Smoltz, Gagne, Hoffman, Kolb all struggled. Maybe Gagne's record should be considered harder than it is.

[ct2k]

I think its an incredibly impressive record. All those saves and he didn't once have disastrous inning? Everyone has them every few games or so.

[Apprentice]

Yea.. now I'm afraid with Lo Duca gone, Gagne's not gonna trust the catcher as much... :-\

[BCWWF]

Now if the Yanks could only get an SP who can win consistantly

[ct2k]

Yeah. El Duque has been fantastic since he returned though

[The Miz]

I don't think the Angels, A's, Rangers, and Red Sox plan on losing any more games this season :?:

[ct2k]

It's gonna be a fucking brilliant end to the season

[BCWWF]

This is the situation where I feel kinda bad that the A's and Rangers probably won't make the playoffs, but at the same time if they did add a play-in game the end of the season wouldn't be nearly as intense, I am torn.

[The Miz]

The A's will make the playoffs, maybe not as the AL West champion but they will make the playoffs.

[Loose Cannon]

A's, Sox, Yanks, Twins. Playoffs.

[The Miz]

Yep. And Dodgers, Cubs, Braves, and Cardinals.

[Loose Cannon]

Yanks vs Twins

A's vs Sox.

Hightlights from Post season series.

Byrnes argues with a seagull for getting in his way while the Sox score four runs to win the series.

Yanks sweep Twins.


Highlights from Sox/Yanks.

Boston goes up 3-0. Yanks come back and tie it 3-3.

John Flaherty hits a Series Winning homer in the Bottom of the 16th inning to win it for the Yankees.


**Wakes up

[BCWWF]

Loose Cannon must have missed the Twins dismantling of the Yankees last week

[BCWWF]

How does the playoff seeding work? Does it go strictly by records or does the top team play the wildcard even if the wildcard has a better record then one of the division leaders, if the top seed is from the East and so is the Wildcard, can they play in the DS?

I am asking all of this because I am pretty sure the Twins wouldn't play the Yankees in the first round anyway.

[Loose Cannon]

Whomever has the worst record out of the other 3 plays the Top Team

So...so far you're looking at Twins/Yankees :)

[ct2k]

Can you say 18-6 with 9 runs in the 9th?!

Jesus the Yankees just obliterated Toronto:eek:

How cool is it that we have Ruben Sierra and Tony Clark as part timers? Clark had 3 homers tonight:|

[The Miz]

Yeah the Yankees did a great job raising those guys in their farm system. Not to mention Giambi, Sheffield, Matsui, Mussina, Vasquez, and Rodriguez.

[ct2k]

Because the Sox, Rangers and Angels did right?

Also:

Posada, Jeter, Rivera, Williams...Yeah thats basically 4 of our most key players and some of the most key to the championship success...Not to mention Soriano and Andy Pettitte who was one of the most successful and consistent starters in the last decade.

But they don't count i guess?

[The Miz]

Those teams are pieces of shit too. Boston is the biggest piece of shit because they buy everyone and still can't win. Last time I checked Anderson, Glaus, Erstad, and Salmon (the nucleus of the Angels) over the past 5-10 years were born and bred Angels. Look at the other playoff-contending teams 5 most key players:

Anaheim
1. Guerrero - Montreal
2. Anderson - farm
3. Glaus - farm
4. Erstad - farm
5. Salmon - farm

Oakland
1. Mulder - farm
2. Hudson - farm
3. Chavez - farm
4. Zito - farm
5. Durazo - Arizona

Minnesota
1. Santana - farm
2. Hunter - farm
3. Stewart - Toronto
4. Nathan - San Francisco
5. Jones - farm

Even though alot of the Yankees nucleus were not bought, the players that were don't even compare to any other team besides Boston

[ct2k]

Agreed, but as a fan there's not much i can do about that

[ct2k]

And so you know yes i have been a fan since before 96:p

[Loose Cannon]

A's are the man in the farm system. Harden should be huge in 3 years. And Tejada came from there.

[Loose Cannon]

And so you know yes i have been a fan since before 96:p

Steve Sax, Kevin Mass, Mel Hall, Jesse Barfield, Matt Nokes, Pat Kelly, Danny Tartabull, Steve Howe, Alvaro Espinoza.

:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

MATTINGLY :D

[The Miz]

3 years? Harden could win 15 games next year. The kid is learning how to pitch faster than most flame-throwers. Also, look for these Oakland farm guys to be impact players in a few years: Adam Morrisey, Jairo Garcia, Omar Quintanilla, Huston Street.

[ct2k]

Don is the man:mad:

[The Miz]

Oh yeah, and that Crosby kid.

[ct2k]

Bobby or Bubba?:shifty:

[BCWWF]

Minnesota has one of the best front office staffs in the league, whenever we are on national tv the announcers always praise our farm staffs ability to pick the right players. If it wasn't for budget issues we would be so much better also.

Due to budget issues last year, we lost Eric Milton, LaTroy Hawkins and Eddie Guardado.

The two key guys that we have aquired from other teams have been purely genius moves, rather than simply buying them and losing key prospects like the Yankees, look at how our guys were aquired.

Shannon Stewart for Bobby Kielty. Kielty was an average young outfielder, now still being average on the A's while Stewart fit perfectly into the Twins lineup right where we needed him also.

It would have been nice to keep AJ Pierzynski this year, and we traded him in part because of salary issues, but he was going to have to go anyway because of Mauer, and we found a guy who was average on the Giants and now he is one of the best closers in the AL.

That is how you build a team. Now when some of out older guys get done, Mauer, Morneau, and Kubel will be able to step in and we won't miss a beat. What can be devieving about what the Miz posted is that out of the five he posted, two weren't farm guys, but of the whole team those are the only everyday players that haven't come up with us.

Like Peter Gammons always says, the A's and the Twins build their teams right and it would be great for baseball if one of them wins the world series. The reason I chose to analyze the Twins is because I used to live there and know their system better than any other team, whereas I don't the A's. They are both in the same position, I chose the Twins for obvious reasons, don't try to pull the usual shit.

[mitch_h]

I'm a little late but i've been busy with work. But anyway, did anybody see how Scott Kazmir pitched, he's quite the prospect and I think he pitches again tomorrow.

[CNM]

Yeah, he's gonna be the man. Be on the look out as well for Jeff Francis, a left-handed pitcher for the Rockies. He got roughed up a little bit in his major league debut, but I think he's one of the top 3 pitching prospects in baseball.

[BCWWF]

I think I read that Justin Jones has like an 8 era in his first three games in the Twins minor league system :nono:

[Apprentice]

Esteban Loaiza is the new Yankee's Jeff Weaver.

[ct2k]

Yeah, i said when the trade went through i was sad to see Contreras go as he had showed some huge promise and coulda been a great pitcher for us, the trade coulda paid off and it hasn't, but its too early to give up on Loaiza, and i doubt Torre will either, but the bullpen probably awaits him. This could be a good thing, as aside from Quantrill, Gordon and Rivera we could do with another solid reliever, especially one like Loaiza who can go some innings, Tanyon Sturtze has been good in spells but he always seems to get knocked about too much.

[BCWWF]

Loaiza had one dominant year last year and thats all he will ever have. He's not young or anything, the Yankee's fucked up on that one.


By the way, did anybody see Santana smoking the Angels? They were real hot and he kicked their ass, yahoo!

[Apprentice]

I think Santana has the AL Cy Young right in his grasps. The only knock on him is that he doesn't really do complete games.

By the way, did you guys see Bonds rock those two Russ Ortiz pitches? Damn...

[The Outlaw]

By the way, did you guys see Bonds rock those two Russ Ortiz pitches? Damn...
Hey I hate you. :'(

[DegenerationY]

462 and 467 feet were the measurements on the Bonds shots.

Right after Hank Aaron was talking about how well Bonds recognizes pitches, he murdered one of those balls.

[Apprentice]

Hey I hate you. :'(

Hey, did you see the Braves take 3 out of 4 from those rotten Giants? :yes:

[Loose Cannon]

lol, I just had a dream the Indians scored 22 runs against the Yankees. Unreal.

[Apprentice]

When I first saw the score, I thought it was a football game.

[The Outlaw]

Hey, did you see the Braves take 3 out of 4 from those rotten Giants? :yes:
:love:!!!

[BCWWF]

Lol @ the Yankees.

I hope Nathans finger isn't broken!!!!

[Apprentice]

Dude, Ichiro is freaking on fire. Just imagine if he was in the Cardinals lineup or he hit in front of Bonds. Crazy...

[BCWWF]

Ichiro-Renteria-Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds-Walker :drool:

[PorkSoda]

When is a baseball team, like for example Texas Rangers, going to interfere in another baseball game? They could run into the field when Red Sox are playing the Yankees and cost the Sox the game and the Sox could challenge the Rangers to a game the following week in a 2 out of 3 plays or something? Or they could play them in a cage match type of thing...or a lumberjack game...or tables game?

[BCWWF]

Any wrestling forum guys who post in here should be perminantly banned, starting with porksoda

[ct2k]

Yeah 22-0, that was dodgy:-|

Still, El Duque mowed em down the next night and proved he's our best starter right now, hell i'd say behind Johan Santana he's one of the top 3 starters in the AL right now.

[Apprentice]

Kevin Brown is a genius!!!

NEW YORK (AP) -- Kevin Brown's frustrating season finally reached a boiling point, and now his hot temper could cost the New York Yankees at the most important time.

Brown broke his non-pitching hand when he punched a wall in the clubhouse Friday night during a 3-1 loss to the Baltimore Orioles that cut New York's lead in the AL East to just 2 1/2 games over Boston.

``Stupidity,'' Brown said, choosing his words carefully.


``I reacted to frustration I'd swallowed all year. ... There are no excuses. I let it boil over and I did something stupid. I owe my teammates an apology for letting my emotions take over like that.''

Already short on starting pitching, the Yankees were unsure how long the 39-year-old right-hander might be out. He was to be examined by a hand specialist Saturday.

``My plan is to splint it and pitch. I just pray that my stupidity didn't hurt the team,'' Brown said.

[BCWWF]

Lol what a dumbshit.

At the same time, Johan Santana was pitching a no hitter into the sixth I think. We barely won though, whenever the Twins don't start Lew Ford there are problems. I guess we were playing the Royals though :lol: Going into the fifth it was still 0-0 and I was about to kill somebody if Johan was going to lose 1-0 or some shit, but of course he didnt.

There is no way the Yankee's make it out of the ALDS. Right now I predict Boston and Minnesota in there, with New York and Anaheim losing in the ALDS. So much for wanting to see the Cardinals and Yankees, I'm scared because whoever the Cards play now they will KILL!

[ct2k]

Minnesota are in a great position. As good as they are, and as much as everyone knows this by now, no ones expecting them to go all the way, and they so have the tools to roll over any of the AL contenders.

[Apprentice]

ooo, NL Wild Card getting close. Who woulda thought Houston would be making a run?

[ct2k]

I know it's fucking crazy. But about time considering the talent they have, fuckin texans!

[BCWWF]

I'd love it if Houston beat out the Cubs for the wildcard...How pissed would Selig be though to miss out of a St. Louis-Chicago NLCS

[Dragon]

Yankees lose again, only getting two hits off the Orioles.

The Sox are actually losing so far, which is good though.

[The Miz]

If anyone saw Benji Molina's flip to Frankie Rodriguez to nail Ronnie Belliard at the plate, that is the most ridiculous play I've ever seen

[The Miz]

LOL @ Ben Grieve starting in right field for the Cubs

[YOUR Hero]

If anyone saw Benji Molina's flip to Frankie Rodriguez to nail Ronnie Belliard at the plate, that is the most ridiculous play I've ever seen
K-Rod blocked that plate beautifully.

[Apprentice]

The Kansas City Royals scored 26 runs today. That is insane. Plus 8, count them 8, players had 2 rbis or more. :eek:

[BCWWF]

What was Shawn Greens record a few years ago? I thought it was total bases in one game, but I'd have to think that Randa, who had six hits and six runs, would have beat that. Where am I wrong?

[Apprentice]

Randa's hits were mostly singles. Shawn had 4 homers that game against the Brewers.

[BCWWF]

But he had six runs, so wouldn't that be 24 total bags? Or is that not what Greens record was?

[Apprentice]

Total Bases only account for hits. So a home run is 4 bases. If you get a single, but make it to second base on a sacrifice, thats not an extra base.

[BCWWF]

Ohh, ok

[Apprentice]

BOOYAH ST LOUIS! About time Dodgers took one from you. :love:

[BCWWF]

The Cards are slipping a little bit now, not that it matters or anything though

[ct2k]

Seriously who is going to be able to compete with them come october?

[The Miz]

I don't think St. Louis is a lock to be in the World Series or even the NLCS for that matter. They've got very young pitching with little experience and no bona-fide ace. They've already played their best baseball, they'll never be as hot as they were the past few weeks. I still expect to see them in the World Series but you never know.

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, it's not like the Cardinals are invincible. The Braves had some great teams the past , oh I don't know, 11 years and how many Series have they won?

[The Outlaw]

Do you want to die or something Loose Cannon?

[BCWWF]

But looking at the NL I don't see any team that can beat the Cards in a series unless the Cards just choke really bad. The Braves are really more of a joke than anything else, Houston or Chicago are too, the Dodgers are the only team with a shot and that even seems like a longshot IMO. The Cards pitching is terribly underrated also.

[The Outlaw]

But looking at the NL I don't see any team that can beat the Cards in a series unless the Cards just choke really bad. The Braves are really more of a joke than anything else.Joke? Explain.

[Loose Cannon]

Have we not learned anything from past post season's? HMMMM, do the Angles and Marlins ring a bell? Anybody can win in the post season. That's all there is to it.

[The Miz]

Seriously BCWWF you can say some completely retarded shit sometimes.

[ct2k]

El Duque just won his 8th straight decision, 7 innings, 5 hits, one run. The yanks are like 11-1 in his games:cool:

[Apprentice]

Orlando is definitely helping my fantasy team.

[Loose Cannon]

I'm in first in the BIG TPWW LEAGUE :cool:

[FakeLaser]

2nd in the wOw league.

C - Jason Kendall
1B - Travis Hafner
2B - Michael Young
3B - Melvin Mora
SS - Jimmy Rollins
OF - Gary Sheffield
OF - Manny Ramirez
OF - Carlos Beltran
Util - Vinny Castilla
BN - Phil Nevin
BN - Torii Hunter

SP - Kerry Wood
SP - Roy Oswalt
SP - Chris Carpenter
SP - Livan Hernandez
SP - Greg Maddux
SP - Jeff Weaver
RP - Eric Gagne
RP - Octavio Dotel
RP - Brad Lidge

Yeah my team kicks ass.

[BCWWF]

Seriously BCWWF you can say some completely retarded shit sometimes.

You are clearly underestimating how good the Cardinals are.

[Apprentice]

2nd in the wOw league.

C - Jason Kendall
1B - Travis Hafner
2B - Michael Young
3B - Melvin Mora
SS - Jimmy Rollins
OF - Gary Sheffield
OF - Manny Ramirez
OF - Carlos Beltran
Util - Vinny Castilla
BN - Phil Nevin
BN - Torii Hunter

SP - Kerry Wood
SP - Roy Oswalt
SP - Chris Carpenter
SP - Livan Hernandez
SP - Greg Maddux
SP - Jeff Weaver
RP - Eric Gagne
RP - Octavio Dotel
RP - Brad Lidge

Yeah my team kicks ass.

Very Very Nice. Except I don't like Rollins. Get Izturis instead.

[FakeLaser]

Very Very Nice. Except I don't like Rollins. Get Izturis instead.Rollins has been tearing it up lately. .287, 101 runs scored, 11 HR, 59 RBIs and 27 stolen bases is pretty awesome for a SS.

[BCWWF]

He's no Jeter, Tejada, Nomar, or Guzman :shifty:

[ct2k]

Octavio Dotel is a waste of space too imo.

Jimmy Rollins however kicks ass...But Izturis does too...And i have them both on my fantasy teams:D

[BCWWF]

I have Michael Young :D I traded Brett Boone for him, MUA HA HA HA HA

[The Miz]

You are clearly underestimating how good the Cardinals are.
No, I'm not. I'd like to hear your explanation on how the Braves are a joke.

[ct2k]

Now that Mike Hampton and Chipper have both come around you've gotta sneakily fancy the Braves again. Look at their hitting, Jones, Jones, Estrada, Drew, Johnson, Furcal. And pitching, Ortiz, Hampton, Wright, Smoltzy and Alfonseca in the bullpen.

They could definitely be dangerous

[ct2k]

Now that Mike Hampton and Chipper have both come around you've gotta sneakily fancy the Braves again. Look at their hitting, Jones, Jones, Estrada, Drew, Johnson, Furcal. And pitching, Ortiz, Hampton, Wright, Smoltzy and Alfonseca in the bullpen.

They could definitely be dangerous

[The Outlaw]

Exactly. Hampton hasn't lost in a while, and considering he started out so bad and now he's up to 11-9 I would say he's doing well. Jaret Wright is just unbelievable. Russ Ortiz (minus his last start) is doing very well. Thompson is doing well for what he's worth, and Paul Byrd is also pitching well. Chipper's hot as ever with 85 or so RBI's (and everyone knows he was doing piss all for the first half). Andruw has started to come to life. JD is the workhorse of the group having a career year. Furcal is hot as well. Giles can get it done and is very underated. Laroche is a good roleplayer, as is Charles Thomas, Eddie Perez, and Eli Marrero. Estrada is also a .320 hitter.

Throw in their bullpen with Cruz, Alfonseca, and Smoltz you have a pretty good team. Reitsma is decent as well. Not to mention the new guys they've tried out in Travis Smith, Roman Colon, and Jose Capellan who started today and had good stuff. They have a lot of good players, no superstars, just good players.

Big time joke there.

[ct2k]

Also with guys like Chipper, Andruw and Smoltz there they've got plenty of post season and World series experience

[ct2k]

Also. How good was Barry Zito and Jake Westbrook last night?

[BCWWF]

I just don't see them getting out of the NLDS or beating the Cardinals anywhere

[The Miz]

Well if not getting out of the DS is a joke then your Twins are a joke

[BCWWF]

Since we won both of our season series' with the Yankees and the Red Sox, ok

[DaveWadding]

and this has what to do with the DS, exactly?

[BCWWF]

We have winning records against our likely opponents and the best 1-2 pitching combo in the American League. <font color=black>Mulder and Hudson are gay</font>

[ct2k]

What you don't have is a Sheffield/Matsui, Ramirez/Ortiz duo

[BCWWF]

We have Mauer :rant:

[ct2k]

The batting could be what it comes down to. Both Boston and the Yankees have potentially great pitching staffs baring injury and they both have monster hitting line-ups. Minnesota have great pitching and defense, but they don't have the same kind of crushing attack that the Sox and Yanks do.

[The Miz]

Since we won both of our season series' with the Yankees and the Red Sox, ok
LOL