MLB Season Thread

[The Miz]

We have winning records against our likely opponents and the best 1-2 pitching combo in the American League. Mulder and Hudson are gay
LOL again. Santana is the best pitcher in the majors but Santana-Radke is not even close to the best 1-2 combination in the AL. I'll take any combination of Mulder-Hudson-Zito-Harden or Martinez-Schilling any day of the week.

[BCWWF]

And thats why the Mariners can win 116 games and still not make the World Series. BTW read the black text.

[Loose Cannon]

^^That's exactly my point right there. You can go undefeated in the season, but when come playoff time, you are just as vulnerable as anybody else.

[BCWWF]

The AL Playoffs are bound to be exciting nonetheless, and I predict the A's don't get out of the ALDS again

[The Miz]

If they play the Red Sox they will get destroyed because both the A's and the Red Sox know that the Red Sox own them. I can only see them beating the Twins at this point.

[ct2k]

I can't see the A's beating anyone, they're the weakest of the 4 likely to get through right now imo

[The Miz]

I like them over the Twins, the 2 are very similar teams but Oakland has much more depth at pitching.

[BCWWF]

The Twins are fucked after Santana and Radke for starters, but Lohse and Silva are both capable of having a random ace game, and Mulholland has proven to that he can do some magical things on occasion this year. I don't know who 3 and 4 will be right now. Beyond that the Twins have the leading team ERA in the AL and a very strong bullpen with Romero, Rincon, Nathan, Crain, and company. When it comes down to it I still can't see the A's pitching coming though like they have to.

[ct2k]

Yeah Zito has been rocky all season, regardless of run support. And Mulder hasn't been that great this second half despite the wins he's getting.

[The Miz]

Zito has been 2002 Zito the past few starts. 7 innings of shutout 4 hit ball his last outing. Mulder is just in a slump, and he is showing signs of breaking out of it. Redman is horrible at home but he is like 7-3 with a 3.20 ERA or something on the road. Harden has been mediocre his last few outings but he has probably been the most consistent pitcher on the staff all year. And Hudson is Hudson. You gotta take the A's rotation right now over the Twins.

As far as hitting and defense I think the teams are very similarly built. They don't have any superstars or 40+ HR hitters but they have all-star quality players (Hunter, Chavez). They pride themselves on defense with a couple likely Gold Gloves (Hunter, Kotsay, maybe Chavez). They have a great young nucleus and rely alot on guys under 25 (Ford, Morneau, Crosby, Scutaro). I'd give the edge to the Twins in offense, because Ken Macha makes shitty lineups and the A's never hit with RISP, and the edge to the A's in defense.

Twins win bullpen by a landslide but that's not to say Oakland's is bad.

[BCWWF]

Lew Ford is actually 28 I think, how messed up is that?

[Apprentice]

Uh Oh, Ichiro is starting to slow down. Hasn't been hitting as well as he has been. But I still think he'll break it.

[ct2k]

Yeah thing is when he gets hot he goes 3 or 4 hits a night.

Yankees took the lead to 4 games over the sox which is very welcome:y: Mike Mussina tossed a beauty, which is excellent news, he's gone 8 innings twice in a row and given up 1 run in that time.

[Loose Cannon]

Uh Oh, Ichiro is starting to slow down. Hasn't been hitting as well as he has been. But I still think he'll break it.

FK'n Miz jinxed him. Miz is taking the blame if he doesn't get it. :y:

[ct2k]

Only Ichiro could go 1-4 with an rbi and get called cold:p

[Apprentice]

haha. couldn't have said it better. Kinda like saying "bonds was only walked once". Just sounds too weird.

[ct2k]

I'm always shocked when i see Ichiro had an 0-for. Though he so rarely strikes out you know he has probably put it in play and tried to beat it out

[The Outlaw]

Only Ichiro could go 1-4 with an rbi and get called cold:p
I would say everyone who goes 1-4 with an RBI had a bad night hit wise.

[ct2k]

250 isn't exactly BAD...It's just average.

Going 0-4 with 4 strikeouts, 2 double play groundouts and 7 lob. Now THAT is bad.

[Yashamaga]

[QUOTE=ct2k]

Going 0-4 with 4 strikeouts, 2 double play groundoutsQUOTE]

:wtf:

[ct2k]

Shutup everyone makes mistakes:rant:

[The Miz]

Yeah like when Yashs parents didnt wear rubber

[The Outlaw]

lol

[DaveWadding]

Dear God. The D'Backs have won 2 in a row.

[ct2k]

Seattle is somehow winning a few now aswell.

[The Miz]

Ryan Franklin is gonna sneak up and win the Cy Young, watch

[BCWWF]

Magic # is at 6

[VonErich Lives]

Huge series starting tomorrow night... Sox v. Yanks.

[BCWWF]

Well the only thing Mulder still had has been surpassed, Johan now has more wins

[ct2k]

Mulder got knocked around again last night

[The Miz]

He needs to skip a start. He throws sooo many innings, he is either tired at hurt. If he rests and still sucks this much, if I were Macha I'd go with Zito-Harden-Hudson as my 3 man playoff rotation. Mulder and Redman have been automatic L's the past few weeks.

[ct2k]

Glad to see the Yankees rotation getting good again. Vazquez finally squashed his losing streak the other night. He was so awesome the first half he'd really gone off track. Mussina has thrown 2 beauties in a row. And El Duque has been second only to Johan Santana in the AL this second half. Hell even Jon Lieber has been solid for us these last few months, he's come up with some big wins, always throws strikes:y:. Now hopefully Kevin Brown can get to some sort of level where he can pitch for us in october.

[BCWWF]

Granted Vazques' end came against the Royals, but if it was a mental thing more than a delivery thing then thats a good situation.

[YOUR Hero]

dead arms.

[YOUR Hero]

Ryan Franklin is gonna sneak up and win the Cy Young, watch
ahaha, no (and I know you're kidding)

but what a great game he pitched the other night against The Angels. 2 hit complete game shut out. Both pitchers were awesome all game actually.

[ct2k]

Granted Vazques' end came against the Royals, but if it was a mental thing more than a delivery thing then thats a good situation.

Yeah it was the Royals which obviously ain't the Sox but still, gotta give him some confidence. Although he was so good the first half its not that surprising he went on a skid.

[Loose Cannon]

<marquee scrollamount = 15>RED SOX SUCK...RED SOX SUCK...RED SOX SUCK</marquee>

[ct2k]

Yessssssss:love:

Anyone who disagrees with that is automatically a fucking fag red sox fagragfucker

[DaveWadding]

both of you suck. LC even has the Czech surname for sucking. ;)

[ct2k]

And mines the German one.

Whats your point?:mad:

[Hardkore Kidd J]

<marquee scrollamount = 15>RED SOX SUCK...RED SOX SUCK...RED SOX SUCK</marquee>

Amen to that brother. :y: :y: :love:

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Yessssssss:love:

Anyone who disagrees with that is automatically a fucking fag red sox fagragfucker

:y:

[Loose Cannon]

haha. Wadding go to the front page and view the news about the Big Show.

[DaveWadding]

And mines the German one.

Whats your point?:mad:
That you both suck, and so do the Bankees.

[House of Pancakes]

He needs to skip a start. He throws sooo many innings, he is either tired at hurt. If he rests and still sucks this much, if I were Macha I'd go with Zito-Harden-Hudson as my 3 man playoff rotation. Mulder and Redman have been automatic L's the past few weeks.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Mulder is 17-5 and has been their best pitcher all season long. Why would they have him pitch all those innings and win all those games only to have him not pitch in the playoffs? It makes no sense.

Harden is unproven and young. He's had a hot second half, so I would probably stick him in middle relief.

[ct2k]

That you both suck, and so do the Bankees.

Diamondbanks anyone? :roll:

You fucking fag red sox fagragfuck-knocker:mad:

[ct2k]

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Mulder is 17-5 and has been their best pitcher all season long. Why would they have him pitch all those innings and win all those games only to have him not pitch in the playoffs? It makes no sense.

Harden is unproven and young. He's had a hot second half, so I would probably stick him in middle relief.

Mulder has been very average the second half. He's sucked recently. He's saying he might've burned him out by throwing so many innings in the first half.

Only reason his record hasn't gone caput is because he gets so much run support

[Loose Cannon]

I wouldn't take him out of the playoff rotation. Rest him now and then put him back in the playoffs.

[House of Pancakes]

Mulder has been very average the second half. He's sucked recently. He's saying he might've burned him out by throwing so many innings in the first half.

Only reason his record hasn't gone caput is because he gets so much run support

What the fuck?

He's been their ace all season long. He's wearing out a little bit, so maybe you give him a couple more days rest before he pitches the first game of the playoffs, but you don't take him OUT of the playoff rotation. It would shatter his confidence. He'd demand a trade. He's been great for a good portion of the season. He's one of the best workhorses in baseball.

[ct2k]

I never agreed with taking him out of the rotation:p That would be stupid!

[House of Pancakes]

So, let's take a look at the starting playoff rotations for AL teams:

YANKEES
Vazquez
Mussina
El Duque
4 GUY: Brown

A's:
Mulder
Zito
Hudson
4 GUY: Harden

TWINS:
Santana
Radke
Rogers
4 GUY: Lohse

RED SOX:
Schilling
Martinez
Lowe
4 GUY: Arroyo

I think all four of these teams have pretty strong rotations. The Yankees' pitching seems to be straightening out a bit, with Vazquez and Mussina pitching well recently and El Duque on the 8-0 tear that he's on. But it's still suspect. We do know, however, that the Yankees have an excellent bullpen, and the bullpen plays a big role in the playoffs.

Oakland looks good, but these guys never win in the playoffs. Mulder, as stated, is wearing out. Zito is heating up but he was terrible in the first half. Hudson is always reliable, and Harden and Redman are great insurance.

Minnesota might have the most underrated rotation in baseball, or the most overrated. Depends on how they fare in the playoffs. Santana is of course lights out. Radke has been excellent this season, and I think he'll do well in the playoffs. Kenny Rogers is 16-8 but he started out 12-2, and he's lucky he's got run support. Kyle Lohse is decent insurance. They could either be surprisingly great or get lit up every non-Santana night.

The Red Sox have Schilling and Pedro as their 1-2, which makes them REALLY hard to beat, especially in a five-game series.

So, all four AL teams are pretty evenly matched. I say the best pitching goes to Oakland and Boston. The best offense goes to Boston and the Yankees. The best bullpen goes to the Yankees and the Twins. The best defense goes to the Twins and Boston. Should be an interesting playoff.

[BCWWF]

Are you a complete dunce? Kenny Rogers has been on the Rangers all season and was making plenty of headlines as one of the first pitchers with 11 wins. How you missed that one I have no idea.

Terry Mulholland will be our third starter, left right left, and then probably Silva unless he is injured.

Bold Prediction: The ALCS won't be Yankee's vs Red Sox again. One team will for sure be there, and I don't think it will be the Yankees.

[House of Pancakes]

Ahhh, I always do that. I keep thinking Rogers is on Minnesota. Sorry about that. Yeah, so the Twins probably have the worst pitching of all the teams mentioned.

Personally, the Yankees and Red Sox look like the clear cut favorites in the AL.

[BCWWF]

Actually, the Twins have the lowest team ERA in the AL.

Johan Santana is a lock for the Cy Young.

Brad Radke has been around top 10 lowest ERA's all season, but no run support.

Rincon-Romero-Balfour-Nathan = Best bullpen in the AL

Nathan has established himself as one of the leagues elite closers this season.


Our #3 and #4 starters aren't as good, but if you are expecting ace showing from Derek Lowe and Bronson Arroyo you are a real optimist. They will pitch good, but they won't shut down anybody. The Yankee's had two pitchers pitching well, one punched a wall, and now they have one. The Twins beat Mussina last year when he was pitching great. Vazquez has been having control problems. I'm the first to admit that we have the weakest #3 and #4 playoff pitchers, but its not like thats a strong point in any AL team besides the A's this year.

[House of Pancakes]

Regular season Yankees and playoff Yankees are two different teams.

[BCWWF]

Playoff Yankees with Pettite, Clemens, Wells, and Mussina yeah.

This Yankees team isn't built the same way it was when they won the championships, hence why they haven't won it all in a while. They are an offensive team now. Defense and pitchiing wins games.

[BCWWF]

BTW, I am a biased optimist ;)

[The Miz]

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Mulder is 17-5 and has been their best pitcher all season long. Why would they have him pitch all those innings and win all those games only to have him not pitch in the playoffs? It makes no sense.

Harden is unproven and young. He's had a hot second half, so I would probably stick him in middle relief.
God you are dumb. I would not actually take Mulder out of the rotation, it was an exaggeration to say he has been shit for quite some time now. If you rank the Oakland staff in the 2nd half, Mulder is the 4th best pitcher. His 17-5 record is a joke, if you traded the runs the A's offense gave Mulder and Hudson Mulder wouldn't have 10 wins. If anybody creeping up on 20 wins has an ERA over 4 you should do some investigating.

[The Miz]

What the fuck?

He's been their ace all season long. He's wearing out a little bit, so maybe you give him a couple more days rest before he pitches the first game of the playoffs, but you don't take him OUT of the playoff rotation. It would shatter his confidence. He'd demand a trade. He's been great for a good portion of the season. He's one of the best workhorses in baseball.
If "wearing out a little bit" means having an ERA over 7 for his past 4 starts, I would hate to see what wearing out alot is.

[The Miz]

TWINS:
Santana
Radke
Rogers
4 GUY: Lohse

RED SOX:
Schilling
Martinez
Lowe
4 GUY: Arroyo
I love it when a guy who thinks Kenny Rogers is on the Twins and has never heard of Tim Wakefield questions my baseball knowledge.

[The Miz]

The best defense goes to the Twins and Boston. Should be an interesting playoff.
You do know that Boston leads the AL in errors, unearned runs, and is last in fielding percentage right? And that Oakland is 1 or 2 in all 3 of these categories and has possible 3 potential Gold Glovers?

[Loose Cannon]

Owned.

[The Miz]

Harden and Redman are great insurance.
Harden has been the most consistent pitcher for the A's for the whole season. Mulder has been shit the second half, Zito was shit the 1st half, Hudson has been injured and has had horrible outings, and Redman has pretty much sucked dick all year. I don't know why Harden would be great "insurance". I don't know why Redman would be either, considering he is uncapable of winning a game at home. If you honestly think Redman would get a start in the playoffs before Harden, you sir are mistaking.

[The Miz]

Also, never post in this thread again.

[The Icon of Elisim]

You do know that Boston leads the AL in errors, unearned runs, and is last in fielding percentage right? And that Oakland is 1 or 2 in all 3 of these categories and has possible 3 potential Gold Glovers?
Boston's infield is alot better now with a real 1B and SS

[BCWWF]

Lol

[The Miz]

Boston's infield is alot better now with a real 1B and SS
Better, not great.

[BCWWF]

Not like Mientkiewicz plays. One every four doesn't change that much.

[Dragon]

Yankees leading 8-0 over the Red Sox in the bottom of the 2nd.

The Red Sox infield defense has been awful this game. Derek Lowe had a pretty awful play throwing to third instead of getting the out at first.

[Loose Cannon]

:yes:

[The Miz]

LOL @ Derek Lowe. What a moron.

[The Outlaw]

Ridiculous

[BCWWF]

Now that the Twins secured the divison again...Does anybody know where you can get the playoff schedules yet? I am almost positive they are already made. Every year there is a big controversy because if the Twins make the ALCS they could have a game at the same time as the Gophers football. So does anybody know where to find the dates?

[BCWWF]

Santana wins #20. Breaks Twins single season strikeout record

[Apprentice]

GAGNE!!!!!!!! He scared the hell outa me! Walking the bases loaded like that... WHEW!!!

[House of Pancakes]

MVP and Cy Young takes?

I'd say for MVP in the AL, Manny and Ortiz from Boston are reasonable choices, but they'll both probably split votes and pave the way for Sheffield vs. Guerrero. If Anaheim makes the playoffs, Guerrero gets a nice case, but Sheffield has been the leader of the Yankees all year long, and the baseball writers really seem to like him now. National League: Barry Bonds.

AL Cy Young is between Santana and Schilling. It's obvious if you're going on raw stats to give Santana the Cy. He's 13-0 with a 1.18 ERA since the break, and he's led Minnesota into the playoffs. But Schilling is 39 [around that anyway], he's a gamer and a workhorse, was the first pitcher to 20 wins, and baseball might consider giving him his first Cy Young before he retires. I think Santana will win and should win, but don't count out Schilling. In the NL, it was Jason Schmidt until he pitched terribly last month and basically ruined his chances. It was Carl Pavano for a while last month, but he's dropped out of the race. Unit would win on stats, but he doesn't have the wins. Roy Oswalt has had a big second half and he's now a candidate, but Roger Clemens now looks like the favorite. He's 18-4 with a 2.90 ERA and 200+ strikeouts.

[BCWWF]

As bias as I am, there is a better chance of a snowball in hell than Schilling winning the Cy Young this year.

[Loose Cannon]

This MVP/CY YOUNG pics is getting ridiculous. Look, there's only like two guys for Cy Young right now. So why even ask? What am I going to say, Mussina will win the Cy Young?

Same thing with MVP. Sheff, Manny, Vlad. This is jus the AM.

[The Miz]

House of Pancakes is the man at reading ESPN.com :y:

[VonErich Lives]

MVP - Sheff, Manny, Ortiz and Vlad. My Pick - Sheff

Cy Young - Santana or Schilling. My Pick - still up in the air... If Schill dominates on Sunday, say 8 IP 0ER 3 or less hits, I'll go Schill cause he had a great year and has dominated in every big game. But, it's tough to argue w/ Santanas stats...

That being said, who faced the tougher batters/teams? Does that factor in?

[The Outlaw]

Sep 27 After Guillen threw his batting helmet in the direction of manager Mike Scioscia following his removal from Anaheim's 5-3 win over Oakland on Saturday, he was suspended without pay by the Angels for the remainder of the 2004 season. The outfielder's behavior has been an issue more than once this year, as he went on a profanity-laced tirade after being beaned in a game at Toronto in May, complaining that his teammates weren't retaliating for him.


LOL

[BCWWF]

Lol. I have to assume that if the Angels make the playoffs they bring him back though. In the playoffs an arm like his could make the difference in a game. Anyway, the reports are saying that he tossed his batting helmet and glove in the direction of Mike Scoscia, I have to assume that it was a little more aggressive and direct than that. For a team to pull a started out in the heart of a playoff race has got to be bad.

[Apprentice]

BELTRE!!!! :love:

[BCWWF]

Grand slam baby < /dickie v>

This NL wildcard is going right down to the line. Even Houston keeps winning.

[The Miz]

I still think it's gonna be the Giants

[BCWWF]

On ESPN the headline is something like "Johan Loses Streak!" or something implying that Johan did something bad and lost the game or something. JC Romero lost the game, it just happened to be the first time in 12 starts that the Twins have lost while Johan is pitching. Theres no need for the misleading headline :rant:

[Gertner]

God my Jays suck.

[Apprentice]

What the heck are wrong with my So Cal Teams. First Guillen, now Bradley... Please guys. Stop with the insanity. :nono:

But then again, both are in good position the last couple of games, so hopefully, for us So Cal fans, they'll pull through.

[VonErich Lives]

Nothing new w/ Bradley...

He got delt from his last team for throwing hissy fits...

That being said, he had a right to be pissed, someone threw a bottle at him... but he went way to far...

[Apprentice]

Yea I agree. I think he can be detrimental, yet also helpful cuz he gets all his teammates fired up as well. He just needs to harness his emotions and use them more productively. I heard he has to go to anger management classes so maybe that'll help him..... well just maybe.

[BCWWF]

Is there any word if either of them make it back for the playoffs?

[Apprentice]

Bradley will be back for the playoffs for sure if the Dodgers make it. Guillen, not so sure.

[VonErich Lives]

Bradley will be back for the playoffs for sure if the Dodgers make it. Guillen, not so sure.

Don't count on it... I'd expect the league to step in... wouldn't be shocked if they suspended him for the season including the playoffs..

as for Guillen, thats a team suspension not a league... wouldn't be shocked not to see him either!

[Apprentice]

From most news outlets I read, he'll only be suspended for the regular season. That's why the Dodgers didn't appeal: so that he can play in the playoffs. I never really heard of MLB "extending" a suspension after it laid one down already. And besides, this isn't a Francisco situation where someone got hurt. Bradley threw a bottle at the ground that was originally thrown at him. It was just an act of rudeness and immaturity, not violence.

[VonErich Lives]

From most news outlets I read, he'll only be suspended for the regular season. That's why the Dodgers didn't appeal: so that he can play in the playoffs. I never really heard of MLB "extending" a suspension after it laid one down already. And besides, this isn't a Francisco situation where someone got hurt. Bradley threw a bottle at the ground that was originally thrown at him. It was just an act of rudeness and immaturity, not violence.

So, if the bottle he threw hit someone in the eye and caused permanent vision loss it would be different?

No, MLB looks at the act, not the result (I'm not saying you wrong about the suspension, I have read much on it). but you have to punsih the act, not the result in these cases. What if the chair thrown didn't hit anyone?

Now, given... in the case of the bottle, it was thrown at him, so he was provoked... but you still can't do that... If he saw who did it, he needs to tell secuirity and have the guy tossed... What made it worse, besides MB having a short fuse is the umps were on his side, tried to calm him down and he flipped out on the umps for no reason and got tossed.

[Apprentice]

Yea, you make good points. I agree he shoulda just told security and be done with it, but I guess thats what makes him who he is. And I also agree on your point about Francisco to an extent. Sure, the bottle could have bounced back, but I guess you have to take into account whether he meant ill will or not. Throwing a bottle to the ground doesn't really mean ill will. Throwing a chair toward the stands on the other hand...But yea. I think the punishment fit the crime, and should stand as is.

[VonErich Lives]

Yea, you make good points. I agree he shoulda just told security and be done with it, but I guess thats what makes him who he is. And I also agree on your point about Francisco to an extent. Sure, the bottle could have bounced back, but I guess you have to take into account whether he meant ill will or not. Throwing a bottle to the ground doesn't really mean ill will. Throwing a chair toward the stands on the other hand...But yea. I think the punishment fit the crime, and should stand as is.

ok, my understanind was he threw it at a fan, not at the ground, that does change it.

[Dragon]

Nice. Walkoff homer in the 9th by Bernie Williams wins the Yankees the game and the division.

[Loose Cannon]

:yes:

[Apprentice]

Forget the Bernie Walkoff. How bout the DAVID ROSS walkoff for the Dodgers. You know its a special season when Hee Seop Choi and David Ross are the main contributors in a September game.

[Azriel]

Yankees rule. That's all that needs to be said.

[BCWWF]

Twins just got told

[Yashamaga]

Thank you Yankees

Have fun facing Santana twice :y:

[Head]

Thank you Yankees

Have fun facing Santana twice :y:
He wasn't a problem a few days ago.

[The Miz]

There is no chance of Oakland or Anaheim getting past Boston.

[BCWWF]

He wasn't a problem a few days ago.

Explain your reasoning

[VonErich Lives]

He wasn't a problem a few days ago.

Yes, and they had him on a strict pitch count w/ instructions to take it easy.

[The Miz]

Nomar is a free agent on Monday if (when) the Cubs don't make the playoffs. Why do I have a bad feeling that tis will be the Yankees infield next year?

1B Giambi
2B Garciaparra
3B Rodriguez
SS Jeter

[BCWWF]

Do you think that Garciaparra would accept being a 2B though? This is what I think will happen...

45% Stay with the Cubs
20% Go to the Dodgers
15% Go to the Angels
10% Go back to the Red Sox
10% Go to Yankees or other team

That is somewhat educated, but not really

[The Miz]

I think the chances are much slimmer than 45% of staying with the Cubs. I would not be surprised to see him in a Giant, Mariner or White Sox uniform next year, all 3 desperately need a shortstop. I don't know where you got Dodgers/Angels/Red Sox from, Eckstein, Izturis, and Cabrera are all solidifed.

[Apprentice]

Well, Nomar is from So Cal, so if he wants to go back, I'm sure the Dodgers or Angels will consider it, but I agree both infields are pretty solid already. I'd see him going to the Angels right now over the Dodgers, if that happened since eckstein and kennedy aren't "that" great.

And its not Cabrera, its Cora. :p

[The Miz]

No, it's Cabrera. He plays for the Red Sox. I already said the Dodgers shortstop, Cesar Izturis. Alex Cora plays second base.

[The Miz]

So what do you guys think the potential playoff teams starting roations will be?

Yankees
1. Mussina
2. Hernandez
4. Brown
5. Vazquez

Red Sox
1. Schilling
2. Martinez
3. Lowe
4. Wakefield

Twins
1. Santana
2. Radke
3. Lohse

A's
1. Hudson
2. Harden
3. Zito
4. Mulder

Angels
1. Escobar
2. Colon
3. Washburn

Braves
1. Wright
2. Thomson
3. Hampton
4. Ortiz

Cardinals
1. Carpenter
2. Suppan
3. Morris
4. Williams

Dodgers
1. Weaver
2. Lima
3. Ishii
4. Perez

Giants
1. Schmidt
2. Reuter
3. Lowry

Astros
1. Clemens
2. Oswalt
3. Hernandez?

[Apprentice]

No, it's Cabrera. He plays for the Red Sox. I already said the Dodgers shortstop, Cesar Izturis. Alex Cora plays second base.

O ok, i misread.

[Loose Cannon]

I heard the A's would be throwing Harden, Redman and then Hudson in that order because of the schedule.

heard it on ESPN this morning. Tim Kirkjun (SP) said it.

[Apprentice]

Yankees
1. Hernandez
2. Mussina
4. Vazquez
5. Brown

Red Sox
1. Schilling
2. Martinez
3. Lowe
4. Wakefield

Twins
1. Santana
2. Radke
3. Lohse

A's
1. Hudson
2. Mulder
3. Harden
4. Zito

Angels
1. Colon
2. Washburn
3. Escobar

Braves
1. Ortiz
2. Wright
3. Hampton
4. Thompson

Cardinals
1. Carpenter
2. Morris
3. Williams
4. Suppan

Dodgers
1. Perez
2. Weaver
3. Lima
4. Ishii

Giants
1. Schmidt
2. Tomko
3. Lowry

Astros
1. Clemens
2. Oswalt
3. Hernandez/Munro/Backe- they all suck anyway

[The Miz]

I heard the A's would be throwing Harden, Redman and then Hudson in that order because of the schedule.

heard it on ESPN this morning. Tim Kirkjun (SP) said it.
If the game where Redman starts is in Oakland, it is an automatic loss.

[The Miz]

Just found out Carpenter is out for the first round. Put Marquis in there instead.

[Loose Cannon]

Should the Twins go old school with Santana and have him go 1,3, and 5 (if played) :lol: He could be like Matthewson a la 1905.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

LETS GO ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!

[Loose Cannon]

Jesus Christ. Bonds has a .608 OBP. Unreal. I didn't even realize it was that high.

[BCWWF]

The Twins are using Silva as the #3 guy because he has been pretty hot lately. I assume Lohse is just long relief.

[VonErich Lives]

I think the chances are much slimmer than 45% of staying with the Cubs. I would not be surprised to see him in a Giant, Mariner or White Sox uniform next year, all 3 desperately need a shortstop. I don't know where you got Dodgers/Angels/Red Sox from, Eckstein, Izturis, and Cabrera are all solidifed.

Dodgers has always been a rumor because he's from CA and the new owner is/was a boston Businesman.

I think he stays in Chicago... it's a perfect fit... he's a whiney bitch on a team of whiney bitches...

come'on, this is the guy who thought the groundscrew at fenway was conspiring against him and this is a team, that got upset because there tv announcers said the other pithcer was throwing a great game.

Chicago cubs need a team shrink.

[VonErich Lives]

FYI, you're both wrong on the Red Sox rotation.

It will be.

Schilling
Martinez
Wakefield or Arroyo
Arroyo or Wakefield

At least according to the sox site and Francona, Lowe is going to the Pen for the ALDS, could change for the ALCS, but I wouldn't count on it. Personally I question even putting Lowe on the playoff roster.

Gammons said the other day the way the Astros games fall, they could pitch Clemens/Oswalt for all 5 games...

Remember a few years ago when SD went to the WS and Kevin Brown pitched like every other game?

Anyway, begining of the year I got a Clemens and Schilling jersey and called an Astros/Red Sox WS... still got some hope there!

[The Miz]

Dodgers has always been a rumor because he's from CA and the new owner is/was a boston Businesman.

I think he stays in Chicago... it's a perfect fit... he's a whiney bitch on a team of whiney bitches...

come'on, this is the guy who thought the groundscrew at fenway was conspiring against him and this is a team, that got upset because there tv announcers said the other pithcer was throwing a great game.

Chicago cubs need a team shrink.
Well you're right, he fits better on the Cubs than he does on the Boston Rednecks.

WOOO COWBOY UP BOYS GIT R DONE

[VonErich Lives]

Well you're right, he fits better on the Cubs than he does on the Boston Rednecks.

WOOO COWBOY UP BOYS GIT R DONE

umm... yeah, Boston Rednecks... that makes sense... cause Kevin Millar over used a phrase last year...

Everything I hear and read from the Cubs they just seem like a bunch of whiners. Didn't they try banning the media from the lockeroom?

[The Miz]

It;s funny how you're still bitter over Nomar leaving. Kevin Millar, who seemed to be the leader of the team last year, is a huge redneck. So are Trot "Props to Jesus for that Walk off Homer" Nixon and Tim Wakefield. A Red Sox fan calling ANYBODY a whiner might be the most ironic thing I have ever heard.

[Loose Cannon]

Yash, I hope you know the Red Sox could face the Twins if the Twins sweep the Tribe and wind up with a better record then the A's/Angles. It was on ESPN this morning.

[Yashamaga]

I know that

but the Yankees certainly helped us out

[Yashamaga]

LETS GO CLEVELAND

[VonErich Lives]

It;s funny how you're still bitter over Nomar leaving. Kevin Millar, who seemed to be the leader of the team last year, is a huge redneck. So are Trot "Props to Jesus for that Walk off Homer" Nixon and Tim Wakefield. A Red Sox fan calling ANYBODY a whiner might be the most ironic thing I have ever heard.


Miz, it would be great if you knew what you were talking about.... I was going to try and clue you in, but instead... I'll let you explain and maybe show you have an idea of what you're saying.

1) How am I bitter over Nomar leaving?

2) Did Nomar leave or was he traded?

3) Any idea where Millar grew up?

4) Any idea how the "Cowboy up" phrase started?

5) Does being very religious and having a strong belief in Jesus automaticly make you a Redneck?

6) What is your definiton of a "Huge Redneck"

7) What's ironic about a sox fan calling "ANYBODY" a whiner?

Answering these will save me some time in educating, so I know exactly where you need help.

[VonErich Lives]

Yash, I hope you know the Red Sox could face the Twins if the Twins sweep the Tribe and wind up with a better record then the A's/Angles. It was on ESPN this morning.

LMAO they suspended the game because they had a college football game.

[The Miz]

1. You manage to turn every baseball discussion into an attack on Nomar.

2. He was traded, that doesn't stop you from your "Nomar wanted out" and "Team cancer" hissyfits

3. Los Angeles, California to my knowedge. You don't think there are hicks out there? I used to live in Oakland, there are rednecks all over California.

4. No and I don't give a shit.

5. No, but Trot Nixon is one of the many people who is a Jesus Freak and a redneck.

6. I don't have one. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

7. "The Yankees buy championships :cry: " when the Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in the league. If the Red Sox lose, it's never their fault, it's always the Yankees fault.

[Apprentice]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Walk off grand slam by Finley to win the NL WEST!!!!!!!!

[The Miz]

Chokeland Athletics

[BCWWF]

Did Oakland win today? Cubs choked :lol:

[Apprentice]

Dodgers Win! Angels Win! Giants Lose! A's Lose! LONG LIVE SO CAL!

[DegenerationY]

:'(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Nomar will go to the Giants

[BCWWF]

I honestly think he will stay with the Cubs

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I really have no idea. I just think for some reason he will end up on the Giants. They could really use him plus that whole "Cali" thing I hear about all the time. I don't know though, I have never heard Nomar say he ever wanted to play in Cali, everyone just assumes it. Nomar is still one of my favorite players, I am not gonna be a bitch like a lot of other Red Sox fans and believe and the BS and hate Nomar or something.

[BCWWF]

Well the Giants don't really fit into the whole "Cali thing" because he was from the LA area if I'm not mistaken. SoCal and NoCal are pretty different. I'm not saying the Giants have no chance or aren't going for him, but I think what people refer to is the Dodgers and Angels.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea that's true. Its still closer then most places though.

Like I said before that might not even be a factor at all, everyone assumes it is but I am starting to doubt it. I just think SF will pick him up, or maybe even the White Sox, but for some reason I don't see him saying with the Cubs.

[BCWWF]

I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

[BCWWF]

Also, I can't see the Cubs losing a contract duel with their cross town rivals. I guess there are plenty of shortstops on the market this year, but they probably aren't going to get a guy better than Noma.

[DaveWadding]

If Nomar goes to the White Sux, I hope he dies. :)

[BCWWF]

Me too :wave:

[VonErich Lives]

Ahh, Miz, Miz, Miz... really... normally you know what you're talking about... but let me try and help ya out here...

1. You manage to turn every baseball discussion into an attack on Nomar.
No, the Cubs lost today, this is a baseball thread, and Nomar was part of the team that lost, if you notice I called the whole team whiners, and so has everyone else. The accused the umps of conspiring against them, They want media banned from their clubhouse and want to replace their play-by-play guys because in a game where they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, the announcers praised the other teams pitcher. I do relate this to Nomar and the crap he pulled here over his last year, Calling from his honeymoon to a local radio station to say the Sox hadn't given him a contract offer when they did (more then he's going to get), Telling the Sox he was going to want time off during the stretch run to rest himself and even stating he needed to be healthy for his free agent physical and he did accuse the grounds crew last year of "conspiring against him"

2. He was traded, that doesn't stop you from your "Nomar wanted out" and "Team cancer" hissyfits
Yes, he was traded and yes he wanted out and yes, he did bring down the team and they have played better without him... not sure how having an opinion = 'hissyfits'...

3. Los Angeles, California to my knowedge. You don't think there are hicks out there? I used to live in Oakland, there are rednecks all over California.
Well, since you can't even define what you think a redneck is, or a huge redneck as you've been saying, then this makes even less sense, cause you can't call someone something when you don't have a definition.

4. No and I don't give a shit.
Once again, a conversation you know nothing about and have no intrest, which kills any comments you had.

5. No, but Trot Nixon is one of the many people who is a Jesus Freak and a redneck.
Still, you have no deifition of Redneck, so this makes little sense...

6. I don't have one. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
See above, you're calling people "Rednecks" or "Huge Rednecks" but then saying you have no opinion on what one is. So, basiclly you're either calling them nothing, or using a word w/ no clue of the meaning.

7. "The Yankees buy championships :cry: " when the Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in the league. If the Red Sox lose, it's never their fault, it's always the Yankees fault.
Wow, I didn't think you could get any more clueless, The whole league has always said the Yanks buy championships. Red Sox fans stopped saying this once we got the new ownership who found ways to make more money and hence spend it, so No, Sox Fans don't cry that the Yanks buy championships, But the rest of the league does cry that the Yanks, Sox and I'll add Dodgers buy wins that the rest of the league even w/ the salary tax can't afford. However, (different subject) I blame some of that on the other owners who don't spend the luxury money they get on payroll. If the sox lose it's never their fault? WTF, you really are clueless... let's see... Buckner shouldn't have been in and they still had a game 7, Pedro shouldn't have been in last year... the list goes on. Only game I can really think of that wasn't 100% the Sox fault was the I think ALDS, maybe ALCS a few years back in fenway when there were 2 "phantom tags" that weren't even close to touching players in the base path and were called out. Those were bad calls.


Really Miz, I think you need to stick to things that you know about, this clearly isn't one of them. I mean, I'm sorry if nomar is your fav player and you sleep w/ his card under your pillow, or your a yankees fan who's afraid you might actually lose a playoff series to the Sox... but it's only a game, life does go on.

Nomar has talent, no question about that, when healthy he's a top 5, maybe even top 3 SS in the league. That being said, over the last few seasons he was a selfish player and the Sox did the right thing and got a good deal by trading him. The man is a whiner and paranoid, which I'm thinking the paranoid may somehow be tied to obsesive compulsive, but I don't know enough about the disorder to say that for sure. The cubs own media and fans are ripping the cubs, everyone from Baker who always gets accused of burning out his arms, Sosa who keeps shrinking and hitting less home runs, Nomar who missed key games in the stretch run... plus their whining... Jesus, go out and play and win, that's how you shut people up.

[VonErich Lives]

I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

Gammons was saying that the Cubs are talking about not even offering Nomar a contract him because of injury risk.

I don't follow the NL closely, but what's the SS situation in SD? That might be a good fit for him.

[Yashamaga]

Future Gold Glover Khalil Greene

[The Outlaw]

LOL write an essay about it

[Apprentice]

O boy. Its set in the NL.
Cardinals vs Dodgers.
Braves vs Astros.

[BCWWF]

I would have liked the Cards and Dodgers to meet in the NLCS. Both should be good series' though.

[Rain Man]

I wished the fucking Cubs would of made the Wildcard

[House of Pancakes]

Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

[DegenerationY]

:'( Giants :'(

Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop...

But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player.

I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster.

But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones.

:'( Giants :'(

[DegenerationY]

Also, I hate every single NL team in the playoffs this year, and I strongly dislike most of the AL teams in the playoffs this year.

Go Boston.

[The Miz]

I expect Beane to make a shitload of moves for Oakland in the offseasom. These guys are definately gone:

Jermaine Dye
Mark Redman
Mark McLemore
Jim Mecir
Bobby Kielty

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Angels have the homefield advantage even though the Sox have a better record lol

[Loose Cannon]

I just want Sox/Yanks again. That should be the World Series match up. It should just end there.

[Apprentice]

Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

It is like that, except when the best record and the wild card are in the same division. If thats the case, the wild card plays the 2nd best record, which in this case are the angels. This is baseball's way of setting up storybook matchups in the championship series ala Red Sox vs Yankees.

[The Outlaw]

:'( Giants :'(

Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop...

But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player.

I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster.

But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones.

:'( Giants :'(
cry about it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:kiss:

[House of Pancakes]

It is like that, except when the best record and the wild card are in the same division. If thats the case, the wild card plays the 2nd best record, which in this case are the angels. This is baseball's way of setting up storybook matchups in the championship series ala Red Sox vs Yankees.

Oh, interesting. That's kind of a dumb rule, but it kinda makes sense also.

[VonErich Lives]

Hey Hero, Remember before the season we disagreed on Vazquez, I called him a NL pitcher who wouldn't do as well in the AL, you disagreed...

here's his stats... who was right?

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2001 Expos 16 11 3.42 32 32 5 3 223.2 197 92 85 24 3 44 208
2002 Expos 10 13 3.91 34 34 2 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 4 49 179
2003 Expos 13 12 3.24 34 34 4 1 230.2 198 93 83 28 4 57 241
2004 Yankees14 10 4.91 32 32 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 11 60 150

Career Totals 78 78 4.26 224 223 16 6 0 --- 1427.1 1430 733 676 188 42 391 1226


I don't count wins, when you pitch for a hitting team like the yanks (same thing for Sox pitchers) ERA, SO, IP, Hits, ER...

[YOUR Hero]

I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.

[VonErich Lives]

I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.

I think he is a good pithcer, I think part probably was the big stage abd that he'll get over, but there's a thing about an NL pitcher coming to the AL, unless it's one of the best (pedro, schill, RJ who was an AL pitcher)..

In the NL, you normally face 8 hitters and a pitcher and a lot of NL teams are built on speed/defense and you tend to face 5-7 real "hitters".

Where the AL, not just do you face a DH, but a DH is normally a .290+ 25HR+ type guy, so not just is it another hitter, it's a big power guy.

That was what I based my prediction off of. Plus, if it's an pitcher going to the AL East, it's even worse because there going to have teams like Boston and/or NY to deal w/ a few times a year, plus other AL teams like Angels, Baltimore.