Summerslam Crowd Reactions

[Mr. Nerfect]

I HATED the Toronto crowd's reactions for the most part. I know people have he right to boo and cheer who they want, but trust me, Toronto's blown their chances of having the WWE back for a LONG, LONG time.

I didn't mind the booing Edge that much. He sort of played it up (digged the "I'm better than all you people ." look). I didn't like the booing Eugene part. I can tell you now, anybody who straight out boos the Eugene character has something wrong with them. I can just see someone making a "Wrestling Fans Taught to Hate Mentally Disabled!" article. Not everyone in that building hated Eugene, and they only booed him because they thoughtit was "cool". I would have laughed myself stupid if any of the commentators, really ripped into Toronto, or if all the Toronto wrestlers came out after the show and ripped into their hometown. I quite frankly wouldn't be surprised if the crowd booed their own anthem.

I'm not having a go at anyone here personally, but it was exciting at WrestleMania X8, and it was interesting during the Edge/Jericho/Batista match (for the most part, it was still cruel, though), but during the Eugene/Triple H match it disgusted me. He are two guys working their asses off, clearly playing the good guy/bad guy role, they spelt it out, and I don't think Eugene Dinsmore could have been acted out by anyone but Nick Dinsmore. I was a little upset at the end result of the match, but what really got me was that the crowd was BOOING this pure good guy type character. Noone else boos him, but Toronto has the need to. This told me that they don't hate Eugene, but they thought it would be cool to boo a mentally disabled person.

Those people paid good money to get into the arena, only to make fun of the wrestlers' hard work? I think they thought they could start some automatic turns by playing up. Hulk Hogan became cheered massively after WMX8, but I hope Eugene gets a massive face ovation too.

I think it would have been suitable to cheer the heels (save Triple H, maybe), but straight out booing the faces? I disagree with this completely. I'd say Toronto won't be hosting a major WWE PPV for a while. :-\

[Disturbed316]

Like King said, it was like they were in Bizzaroland.

[Wildcat789]

Canadian fans are retarded. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea to host Summerslam in Toronto period, because Summerslam is the usually the flagship "American" PPV. They booed Eugene, booed Edge, did the wave during JBL vs Undertaker, and chanted "you screwed bret" to Benoit during the main event. I agree with Alienoid, these fans are just downright disgusting. If the WWE does the right thing (which is unlikely), Toronto won't have a decent WWE show there for a long time.

[Disturbed316]

Canadian fans are retarded. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea to host Summerslam in Toronto period, because Summerslam is the usually the flagship "American" PPV. They booed Eugene, booed Edge, did the wave during JBL vs Undertaker, and chanted "you screwed bret" to Benoit during the main event. I agree with Alienoid, these fans are just downright disgusting. If the WWE does the right thing (which is unlikely), Toronto won't have a decent WWE show there for a long time.

They were actually chanting 'You Screwed Bret' to Earl Hebner, not Benoit.

[V]

i was there live, it was really strange seing the crowd boo eugene and edge, so i was like wtf, and yelled "stop booing you assholes"

the people beside us and a lot of people around us were from america tho

[Xero]

Ive heard on more than one occasion people booing Eugene, so it's not an isolated incedent...

The NY crowd, especially at MSG, rips into every little thing, most noteably the Lesnar/Goldberg match at Mania... When I was at SummerSlam 2002, everyone was booing Rock and cheering Lesnar, when Rock was the face going into it... It just depends on where they are and what's happening...

Quite frankly, some of the casual fans and some of the smarks are starting to hate the Eugene charcter... Not because he's retarded, but because his gimmick is getting old fast... Not alot of people could pull it off quite like Dinsmore, but the gimmick is one of those get in and get out things... It will be around for a bit longer, but sooner or later Dinsmore has to change gimmicks... How, I dont know, but it has to happen, if WWE wants it or not...

[Corkscrewed]

Why shouldn't they boo Edge? He's slowly turning heel. Booing Eugene is a lot odder, I'll agree, but he IS getting stale. He's kinda getting X-Pac heat, even tho he's a face, which is weird. Frankly, he NEEDS a heel turn... and fast. They rushed him over a little too much, and that's the price.

Granted, Canada has always been a little contrary, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear it happened at MSG or Philly either.

[Disturbed316]

Why shouldn't they boo Edge? He's slowly turning heel. Booing Eugene is a lot odder, I'll agree, but he IS getting stale. He's kinda getting X-Pac heat, even tho he's a face, which is weird. Frankly, he NEEDS a heel turn... and fast. They rushed him over a little too much, and that's the price.

Granted, Canada has always been a little contrary, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear it happened at MSG or Philly either.

I think the fact that Edge was from Toronto, made it seem odd. When ever someone wrestles in their hometown, you expect them to be cheered, not booed :-\

[Took]

Canadian fans kick ass they do what they want. They enjoy the show and have fun. That is far more respectable then guys working hard in the ring or mic, and watching yankee fans down south sitting on their asses on mute.

Doing a wave during a boring match is also more respectful then chanting "BORING" at the wrestlers too. Many arenas do that. They didn't want to say that match sucked, so they had some fun, big deal.

Shit, Austin back in the day was a pure badass, yet the fans cheered him, thus forcing him face. Was that bad?? The fans can cheer and root for who they wish to. Plain and simple.

[Ricky]

There are also stories saying that a fan ran onto JBL's limo which meant the chokeslam through the roof didn't come off as well as it should've. I know that's only one person but it's still another thing from last nights crowd that the WWE won't have liked.

[.44 Magdalene]

Canadian fans kick ass they do what they want. They enjoy the show and have fun. That is far more respectable then guys working hard in the ring or mic, and watching yankee fans down south sitting on their asses on mute.

Doing a wave during a boring match is also more respectful then chanting "BORING" at the wrestlers too. Many arenas do that. They didn't want to say that match sucked, so they had some fun, big deal.

Shit, Austin back in the day was a pure badass, yet the fans cheered him, thus forcing him face. Was that bad?? The fans can cheer and root for who they wish to. Plain and simple.

... Fool of a took. [/GANDALF]

[Rob]

The arse backwards fans in Toronto ruined the show. Any other city in Canada would not have sh</>it on the guys like they did.

[Took]

... Fool of a took. [/GANDALF]

I knew someone might say that eventually. That's good stuff. :y:

[loopydate]

The arse backwards fans in Toronto ruined the show. Any other city in Canada would not have sh</>it on the guys like they did.
You're probably right. Montreal or anywhere in Alberta probably would have done louder "You screwed Bret" chants, but I don't think they would have done everything else.

[The Answer]

I HATED the Toronto crowd's reactions for the most part. I know people have he right to boo and cheer who they want, but trust me, Toronto's blown their chances of having the WWE back for a LONG, LONG time.

I didn't mind the booing Edge that much. He sort of played it up (digged the "I'm better than all you people ." look). I didn't like the booing Eugene part. I can tell you now, anybody who straight out boos the Eugene character has something wrong with them. I can just see someone making a "Wrestling Fans Taught to Hate Mentally Disabled!" article. Not everyone in that building hated Eugene, and they only booed him because they thoughtit was "cool". I would have laughed myself stupid if any of the commentators, really ripped into Toronto, or if all the Toronto wrestlers came out after the show and ripped into their hometown. I quite frankly wouldn't be surprised if the crowd booed their own anthem.

I'm not having a go at anyone here personally, but it was exciting at WrestleMania X8, and it was interesting during the Edge/Jericho/Batista match (for the most part, it was still cruel, though), but during the Eugene/Triple H match it disgusted me. He are two guys working their asses off, clearly playing the good guy/bad guy role, they spelt it out, and I don't think Eugene Dinsmore could have been acted out by anyone but Nick Dinsmore. I was a little upset at the end result of the match, but what really got me was that the crowd was BOOING this pure good guy type character. Noone else boos him, but Toronto has the need to. This told me that they don't hate Eugene, but they thought it would be cool to boo a mentally disabled person.

Those people paid good money to get into the arena, only to make fun of the wrestlers' hard work? I think they thought they could start some automatic turns by playing up. Hulk Hogan became cheered massively after WMX8, but I hope Eugene gets a massive face ovation too.

I think it would have been suitable to cheer the heels (save Triple H, maybe), but straight out booing the faces? I disagree with this completely. I'd say Toronto won't be hosting a major WWE PPV for a while. :-\

I was their and yes people were booing Eugene but it was because their were so many Evolution marks.The Evolution T-shirts were sold out everywhere in the ACC.And since HHH is a part of Evolution you figure they will boo Eugene.

[Took]

Well Montreal is creative. I know they've been doing those 2 chants since like house shows back in the late 90's..they're a mix of french and english so it's always combustible.
The toronto crowd was great though. They didn't shit on anything. Why? Cuz they didn't act like puppets and get fed the garbage that is eugene?

[The Answer]

There are also stories saying that a fan ran onto JBL's limo which meant the chokeslam through the roof didn't come off as well as it should've. I know that's only one person but it's still another thing from last nights crowd that the WWE won't have liked.

That happens everywhere that moron got what he deserved(tackled by about 5 security guards) since it happened right after taker got DQ'ed im guessing he was an upset taker fan

[The Answer]

I think the fact that Edge was from Toronto, made it seem odd. When ever someone wrestles in their hometown, you expect them to be cheered, not booed :-\

Everyone is anticpating the heel turn and Jericho was alot more popular and most people wanted him to win it

[The CyNick]

ha ha ha

Some of you guys make me laugh.

The show was ruined by fans reactions, thats just rediculous.

I predicted Edge would get booed in Toronto, its a simple case of him not being over here. The fans weren't into him, and I bet them making a big deal of being from Toronto got more fans to boo him. Why? Because its so lame when they try to get a pop for a guy just because he's from the city you live in. So the fans turned on that. Not to mention the fact that Jericho is far more entertaining than Edge, and as such he got cheered.

Eugene is an insult to the intelligence of anyone over the age of 10. I thought we were past the crazy George Steele type gimmicks, apparently not. So the fans, who have been told for the last 7/8 years that that kind of stuff is passe turned on the charcter. Again, to me thats no big shock. And again, how does is it ruin a show just because people choose to cheer for guys they like instead of guys the WWE tells you to cheer. Was Wrestlemania X-Seven ruined when the crowd cheered for Austin beating down on Rock after it was clear he was with McMahon? No, the fans did what they did, and it was a great segment. Back to Eugene what happens in 3/4 months whenever Eugene turns heel, I guess it will be okay to boo, but if its done now, its a sign of the devil.

JBL gets heat everyone on the 'net, apparently a lot of those same fans went to the ACC and let the WWE know that JBL as champ doesn't fly with them. Ive come to accept Bradshaw as an act, but I can understand why a lot of fans see him as a joke, and as such see the WWE Championship as a joke.

Angle got cheered over Eddie, hey thats just a case of the fans loving Angle, Eddie was just in a tough spot.

Aside from that, I dont see the problem. All this heat on the net towards the fans is hilarious to me. You all sound like you are auditioning for jobs with the WWE PR staff. Maybe the WWE should try to use separate entrances and have heels come out of one side and faces the other, and demand that the fans follow their instructions and cheer for who they tell to cheer for. I remember a time when the WWE promoted freedom of speech, I guess some of you guys are no longer for that notion.

Again, its all very humourous to me.

[DaveWadding]

Personally, I thought it was a bad idea to host Summerslam in Toronto period, because Summerslam is the usually the flagship "American" PPV.

You must not remember 1992 then, chief.

[Loose Cannon]

Canadian Crowds, NY Crowds and Teddy Hart > The World.

[xey]

As a whole, I was a bit surprised by the crowd reaction, but not quite as much as I thought I would be.

As far as booing Edge goes? I can understand that. The guy is stale, and he has a sucky gimmick. Not to mention that probably 90% of the people there probably wanted Jericho to win, and that I can agree with. Y2J = Ratings.

Taker/JBL? I can see fans booing that. It didn't have much buildup at all, but I have to admit that doing the wave was rude...Two guys out there trying to put on a show, to tell a story, and everyone is doing the wave. That's so rude.

Eugene? That....I just don't get. Eugene is mega over, due to the fact that he plays up the gimmick well, and a lot of fans want to pull for the mentally challenged person, as they seem to be the Underdog. But props to Eugene/HHH for putting on a good match last night. I've always been a Triple H fan, and will continue to remain one, regardless of how he's portrayed with his creative control..but even if he does misuse his creative control, you've got to admit that lately, he's been putting over people when it counts.

By the way...Congrats to Randy Orton! I totally freaked out when he won the belt last night, and it was the good kind of freak out. Hopefully we'll see more RKO's tonight. :D

But as for the booing issue? I guess we'll just have to see tonight...It'll be interesting to gauge everyone's reactions.

[The Answer]

As a whole, I was a bit surprised by the crowd reaction, but not quite as much as I thought I would be.

As far as booing Edge goes? I can understand that. The guy is stale, and he has a sucky gimmick. Not to mention that probably 90% of the people there probably wanted Jericho to win, and that I can agree with. Y2J = Ratings.

Taker/JBL? I can see fans booing that. It didn't have much buildup at all, but I have to admit that doing the wave was rude...Two guys out there trying to put on a show, to tell a story, and everyone is doing the wave. That's so rude.

Eugene? That....I just don't get. Eugene is mega over, due to the fact that he plays up the gimmick well, and a lot of fans want to pull for the mentally challenged person, as they seem to be the Underdog. But props to Eugene/HHH for putting on a good match last night. I've always been a Triple H fan, and will continue to remain one, regardless of how he's portrayed with his creative control..but even if he does misuse his creative control, you've got to admit that lately, he's been putting over people when it counts.

By the way...Congrats to Randy Orton! I totally freaked out when he won the belt last night, and it was the good kind of freak out. Hopefully we'll see more RKO's tonight. :D

But as for the booing issue? I guess we'll just have to see tonight...It'll be interesting to gauge everyone's reactions.

Tons of Evolution marks at the ACC that is why Eugene got booed

[Loose Cannon]

Eugene IS NOT MEGA OVER. He gets booed mostly everywhere he shows up. He only gets pops when he saves the day or something like that in which most people cheer anyway.

[The Answer]

Also Matt hardy and Lita got booed as well as people were yelling things like Lita is a slut and screw Matt bring back Jeff

[xey]

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but when I went to Raw, his music hit, and the whole place lit up with cheers.

As for Matt Hardy/Kane? Meh...Kane = sucks.

Matt Hardy is decent in the ring, but I dare say a Matt Hardy/Kane feud without Lita (however that would be managed) would be better than a feud -WITH- Lita.

[Rob]

ha ha ha

Some of you guys make me laugh.

The show was ruined by fans reactions, thats just rediculous.

I predicted Edge would get booed in Toronto, its a simple case of him not being over here. The fans weren't into him, and I bet them making a big deal of being from Toronto got more fans to boo him. Why? Because its so lame when they try to get a pop for a guy just because he's from the city you live in. So the fans turned on that. Not to mention the fact that Jericho is far more entertaining than Edge, and as such he got cheered.

Eugene is an insult to the intelligence of anyone over the age of 10. I thought we were past the crazy George Steele type gimmicks, apparently not. So the fans, who have been told for the last 7/8 years that that kind of stuff is passe turned on the charcter. Again, to me thats no big shock. And again, how does is it ruin a show just because people choose to cheer for guys they like instead of guys the WWE tells you to cheer. Was Wrestlemania X-Seven ruined when the crowd cheered for Austin beating down on Rock after it was clear he was with McMahon? No, the fans did what they did, and it was a great segment. Back to Eugene what happens in 3/4 months whenever Eugene turns heel, I guess it will be okay to boo, but if its done now, its a sign of the devil.

JBL gets heat everyone on the 'net, apparently a lot of those same fans went to the ACC and let the WWE know that JBL as champ doesn't fly with them. Ive come to accept Bradshaw as an act, but I can understand why a lot of fans see him as a joke, and as such see the WWE Championship as a joke.

Angle got cheered over Eddie, hey thats just a case of the fans loving Angle, Eddie was just in a tough spot.

Aside from that, I dont see the problem. All this heat on the net towards the fans is hilarious to me. You all sound like you are auditioning for jobs with the WWE PR staff. Maybe the WWE should try to use separate entrances and have heels come out of one side and faces the other, and demand that the fans follow their instructions and cheer for who they tell to cheer for. I remember a time when the WWE promoted freedom of speech, I guess some of you guys are no longer for that notion.

Again, its all very humourous to me.

Dude seriously, fans have the right to say what they want and cheer who they like. Nothing pisses me off more than WWE censoring their own fans but you have to admit the fans at the PPV were cheering certain guys just to be different from the norm,

I'm still blaming you lot for Hogan for the record.

[The Answer]

The only people I didn't here get booed at one time or another were Cena and Rvd.

[Gone Mad]

Well,oddly enough the last time Raw came here to Miami, there were fans who booed Eugene and others who booed Edge (well, maybe just me..god,I hate him) and others cheering for HHH. So no matter where you go, you got people who like one side to another and that is not a problem. Hell, when Jericho was heel, I preferred him than any face and cheered him on. I cheered him on here when he had the Undisputed title while heel and everyone at the time couldn't stand him. And if anything, this helps the writers show what the crowds really what.

[Quick1]

Hulk Hogan became cheered massively after WMX8, but
I was there Yeah toronto was all for Hogan and against the Rock just because he was agianst him. It was great though.....um yeah :y:

[The CyNick]

Dude seriously, fans have the right to say what they want and cheer who they like. Nothing pisses me off more than WWE censoring their own fans but you have to admit the fans at the PPV were cheering certain guys just to be different from the norm,

I'm still blaming you lot for Hogan for the record.

I can defend the Hogan thing, since I was a part of it.

People on the net has this perception that fans are Toronto got together and went "ha ha lets cheer for all the heels, oh except for JBL, Booker, the Dudleys and Batista, ha, that'll show em". The only heels that really got huge support was Angle and HHH. Orton got a huge pop for winning the strap, but fans will always mark for a world title switch.

I think we just like who we like, and we cheer for them regardless of heel-face stuff. I mean back when Austin-Mania was running wild, we were like every other city, we cheered for him like crazy. So that whole Toronto fans cheer for heels for the sake of cheering heels is BS.

All Vince had to do was drop me an e-mail and I could have told him before the show who would get cheered and who would get heat. Its all about knowing your audience, but the WWE doesn't know anything, and thats why they are always suprised when stuff like this happens. Hell even DDP knows Toronto is a tough town to be a baby in.

[The CyNick]

Well,oddly enough the last time Raw came here to Miami, there were fans who booed Eugene and others who booed Edge (well, maybe just me..god,I hate him) and others cheering for HHH. So no matter where you go, you got people who like one side to another and that is not a problem. Hell, when Jericho was heel, I preferred him than any face and cheered him on. I cheered him on here when he had the Undisputed title while heel and everyone at the time couldn't stand him. And if anything, this helps the writers show what the crowds really what.

This is the thing, Eugene has been getting booed in a lot of cities. The difference in Toronto is that a larger portion of the crowd are the type of fans who would be on the 'net and follow the business closely. Not to say we dont have our share of casual fans, but the majority of those in the ACC were likely pretty hardcore fans. And thats why you dont get people going crazy for an insulting character like Eugene or a disgrace to the WWE title like JBL.

[Stickman]

I'm a Western Canadian meaning I hate Toronto. But seriously, they've always cheered differently and as somebody alluded to earlier, it's because they're not going to be puppets and be told who to cheer for. They dont' like wrestlers so they boo them. They don't like gimmicks so they boo them. It's better than some quiet crowds that we see a lot of.

[Mayo]

I was at the show, and I will admit that the wave was possibly going a bit too far. It was fun being there and actually doing it though, but that just shows how shitty the match was. If the fans started a boring chant or just said nothing at all, wouldn't that come off pretty badly on TV as well? Booing Edge and Eugene shows exactly what the fans want. They helped start the comeback of Hulkamania, and they are very vocal and passionate smarks for the most part. So much better than the Boston crowds, they usually don't cheer for anything unless its huge.

[RGWhat316]

I was fairly shocked by the crowd reactions. Whether good or bad, Canadian crowds can make or break matches.

I honestly just couldn't believe that they were doing the wave during the Undertaker/JBL match. Usually doing the Wave is done when you want to see some action. And to do that during a match that may not be the most exciting, is still disrespectful to the performers that do what they can to entertain you.

Edge getting booed really doesn't seem like a big deal except that they were in his hometown. I've seen people get booed in their hometown because they already were heel, but he is stale, and just hasn't been the same since he returned.

I was disappointed to hear the reaction to Eugene. For the most part, he is cheered all over the country. But the fact that Eugene is a different kind of superstar means he gets booed. I remember hearing boos when Zach Gowen was in that area last year. Though some of this was done to actually boo him, since I saw a few Anti-Eugene signs in the crowd.

But lastly, I'm most disappointed that alot of the reactions will be edited by the time SummerSlam comes out on DVD.

[sadio8]

Thank god Eugene got booed, ditto for Edge as well. Being from Toronto myself( didn't go to the ppv) i'm kind of surprised that the crowd wasn't as "active" as they usually are. WWE will be back in Toronto( just not for a ppv lol) cause Canada if i am not mistaken has always been a good market for the WWE. Oh well maybe the crappy wrestling ruined the ppv instead of the fans. Yep Toronto fans are definately different to say the least, but meh what can ya do. And for god sakes the fans need to get over the bret hart crap now, its just really old now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Canadian fans kick ass they do what they want. They enjoy the show and have fun. That is far more respectable then guys working hard in the ring or mic, and watching yankee fans down south sitting on their asses on mute.

Doing a wave during a boring match is also more respectful then chanting "BORING" at the wrestlers too. Many arenas do that. They didn't want to say that match sucked, so they had some fun, big deal.

Shit, Austin back in the day was a pure badass, yet the fans cheered him, thus forcing him face. Was that bad?? The fans can cheer and root for who they wish to. Plain and simple.

Yes they do what they want, but they don't really do what they think. That really ticks me off. I can tell you now, not everyone in that building hated Edge, or Eugene. They thought "I want to be liek at WMX8 and make fun of these guys." and they booed. I can respect people maybe yelling out stuff like "We Miss Nick!" or something at Eugene, but booing the character seems a little off. Maybe give him no reaction rather than booing?

The wave was disrespectful. Like 'em or not, these guys work their asses off. If they really wnated to be bizarre they could have chanted "J-B-L" or "Or-lan-do" to help the time fly.

Yes, Austin was turned face, but I don't like the way people do that without really showing their true opinions. I don't mind seeing wrestlers cheered, but I really find it disrespectful when wrestlers get booed when it is not intended.

[Mr. Nerfect]

ha ha ha

Some of you guys make me laugh.

Thank you. :)


The show was ruined by fans reactions, thats just rediculous.

Not as ridiculous as it sounds. Thinking back on Summerslam I think of three things. 1) Orton beginning his run, 2) London & Kidman getting their chance & 3) A disresectful crowd. This sort of makes me look back a little more dully on the event.


I predicted Edge would get booed in Toronto, its a simple case of him not being over here. The fans weren't into him, and I bet them making a big deal of being from Toronto got more fans to boo him. Why? Because its so lame when they try to get a pop for a guy just because he's from the city you live in. So the fans turned on that. Not to mention the fact that Jericho is far more entertaining than Edge, and as such he got cheered.

So did I. I would have thought they'd have goback to his entertaining roots and have him cut a decent promo on how great it is to be back. I was still expecting "You Think You Know Me" to play during the match, and Christian to come strolling down to a MASSIVE reaction.


Eugene is an insult to the intelligence of anyone over the age of 10. I thought we were past the crazy George Steele type gimmicks, apparently not. So the fans, who have been told for the last 7/8 years that that kind of stuff is passe turned on the charcter. Again, to me thats no big shock. And again, how does is it ruin a show just because people choose to cheer for guys they like instead of guys the WWE tells you to cheer. Was Wrestlemania X-Seven ruined when the crowd cheered for Austin beating down on Rock after it was clear he was with McMahon? No, the fans did what they did, and it was a great segment. Back to Eugene what happens in 3/4 months whenever Eugene turns heel, I guess it will be okay to boo, but if its done now, its a sign of the devil.

I disagree. A disabled character getting a chance in life? I don't call that lack of intelligence. Sure it may seem really corny when Triple H rips into him avoiding the "R" word. But I don't think anyone can deny getting behind Nick's work in the character, and giving him a big thumbs up. The people at Summerslam didn't give Nick a thumbs up, they basically said "We hate you! You're a better wrestler than 90% of the roster, but you don't deserve the respect that comes with working your ass off!". William Regal, Triple H and Eugene Dinsmore deserve respect, not getting booed because they don't want to get behind the underdog.


JBL gets heat everyone on the 'net, apparently a lot of those same fans went to the ACC and let the WWE know that JBL as champ doesn't fly with them. Ive come to accept Bradshaw as an act, but I can understand why a lot of fans see him as a joke, and as such see the WWE Championship as a joke.

JBL's recent work has been anything but a joke. The fans take him seriously, but he's the heel so he gets booed. What I didn't like was how a guy like The Undertaker gets an ovation anywhere in the world, but in Toronto, he gets a Mexican wave. :nono:


Angle got cheered over Eddie, hey thats just a case of the fans loving Angle, Eddie was just in a tough spot.

I am behind heels getting cheered. The whole point of this Summerslam match was to have the fans get into the work of the wrestlers, not their characters (hence the handshake). Both guys deserve everything they got at Summerslam.


Aside from that, I dont see the problem. All this heat on the net towards the fans is hilarious to me. You all sound like you are auditioning for jobs with the WWE PR staff. Maybe the WWE should try to use separate entrances and have heels come out of one side and faces the other, and demand that the fans follow their instructions and cheer for who they tell to cheer for. I remember a time when the WWE promoted freedom of speech, I guess some of you guys are no longer for that notion.

I don't have a problem with fans not cheering, I have a problem with them thinking they're cool for being different and ruined these guys nights by making them feel like crap. I can honestly image Adam Copeland and Nick Dinsmore being hurt by that. They work their asses off and they're booed despite being spelled out as the guys who just love to do what they do. Fans have no real reason to boo them other than not liking them, or thinking they're cool by doing it. I can tell you now, Eugene and Edge are failry popular guys. Sure there will always be one or two in the crowd booing Eugene, and yes Edge has become stale as the psychotic face type character (give the guy the mic for crying out loud!), but no arena will boo them out of thebuilding other than Toronto. The WWE allow free speech, to allow the fans to respect the guys who respect them, and to boo the guys that are built up as disrespecting S.O.B.s. They will never tell you you can't do something, but I seriously think any crowd that gang up on guys doing their jobs to the best of their ability are just plain rude.

I'm sure you'd be one of the many on the 'net complaining if Bret Hart returned and gave a fairwell speech and heard "Bret Sucks" or "HBK" chants.


Again, its all very humourous to me.

My intentions. :shifty:

[RGWhat316]

I'm sure you'd be one of the many on the 'net complaining if Bret Hart returned and gave a fairwell speech and heard "Bret Sucks" or "HBK" chants.

I completely agree with your post. And when I was watching the ppv with my buddies, and hearing "You Screwed Bret" chants during the main event, we were thinking that if Bret would come back, we would be chanting "HBK" or "Bret Sucks". But in all reality, that's probably not a good idea, so we don't end up stooping down to Canada's level.

[Thriller]

can tell you now, Eugene and Edge are failry popular guys. My intentions. [/QUOTE]
3 things

1)Edge is not as popular as he once one.He has been getting booed everywhere.Hence the reason there has been talks of a heel turn.It could also be the fact there were tones of Y2J in the crowd.He got a solid pop at his entrance

2)You make it sound like Eugene should not be booed because he "speicial".In that case shame on everyone who booed Kurt Angle when he was in a wheelchair.Oh wait that was an act.oh shit so is Eugene so GET OVER IT.You know what sure Nick is an awesome person for the role but even im getting a little tired.If the dont do something soon Nick Dinsmore will vanish quicker than Bastion Booger or get stuck in a lame ass gimmick wearing a mask.

3)As for the wave.Its done in baseball and is not shown as a sign of disrespect there so why should it be any different.When people purchase tickets for 80 dollers the earn the right to have fun.The match was dull so the fans improvised.After 10 times around the arena it stopped.

[Y2Ant]

The fans have the right to cheer for who they want, and I personally am sick of Eugene's gimmick so I didn't mind him being booed, but it is really annoying when the fans' reactions become the focal point of a show, and takes away from my enjoyment of the show.

The matches weren't great for the most part either though to be fair. :o

(Angle-Eddie, Benoit-Orton and the 6 man tag ruled)

[Loose Cannon]

OMG COME ON. Look, Batista was getting cheered over Edge, so there goes your "Y2J" claim. Sure he got a solid pop for his entrance. Who Doesn't?

No people weren't booing Eugene because he was "special." They boo him because he's annoying and because he's a gimmick from the 80's. These gimmicks worked back then when everything was all good and dandy, but the Attitude era destroyed all hopes for gimmicks like this to work. People turned on Eugene real fast when they saw how cartoonish his character was and because he was up in the main event picture wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to soon.

[Rob]

I can defend the Hogan thing, since I was a part of it.

People on the net has this perception that fans are Toronto got together and went "ha ha lets cheer for all the heels, oh except for JBL, Booker, the Dudleys and Batista, ha, that'll show em". The only heels that really got huge support was Angle and HHH. Orton got a huge pop for winning the strap, but fans will always mark for a world title switch.

I think we just like who we like, and we cheer for them regardless of heel-face stuff. I mean back when Austin-Mania was running wild, we were like every other city, we cheered for him like crazy. So that whole Toronto fans cheer for heels for the sake of cheering heels is BS.

All Vince had to do was drop me an e-mail and I could have told him before the show who would get cheered and who would get heat. Its all about knowing your audience, but the WWE doesn't know anything, and thats why they are always suprised when stuff like this happens. Hell even DDP knows Toronto is a tough town to be a baby in.

Sorry but they never booed Edge before. I'm not saying they cheer heels for the sake of it. I'm saying they go out of their way to give the opposite reactions to what WWE expects whether it's right or wrong. They booed Edge and Benoit for the sake of doing it.

And cheering Hogan spawned months of terrible matches and angles so I'm still blaming you lot.

[Lara Emily]

Benoit wasn't really booed. It was an even split from where I sat.

[LK]

I don't think people booed Eugene because of his mental disabiltiy but like everyone has said people are finding him stale and boring.

BTW for anyone who was there live did the crowd boo the diva segment. King said they were but I couldn't hear the crowd during the sgment.

[Innovator]

People boo Eugene because we're supposed to believe he is a main eventer and can hang with Benoit and HHH. He was shoved down our throats faster than you can say Brock Lesnar.

[Mr. Nerfect]

2) You make it sound like Eugene should not be booed because he "speicial".In that case shame on everyone who booed Kurt Angle when he was in a wheelchair.Oh wait that was an act.oh shit so is Eugene so GET OVER IT.You know what sure Nick is an awesome person for the role but even im getting a little tired.If the dont do something soon Nick Dinsmore will vanish quicker than Bastion Booger or get stuck in a lame ass gimmick wearing a mask.

No, I think Eugene doesn't deserve to be booed because Toronto thought they're cool if they do it. Eugene is EXTREMELY popular. How an entire arena all happen to hate him is beyond me. He gets booed by one or two people on occasion, because they quite frankly don't like the act, but others that do like Nick, and do like what Nick has accomplished in the Eugene character cheer him, and that is the majority.

How would you feel if you returned from a war, only to have your hometown fans boo you away, even though they wanted you to do what you did?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The fans have the right to cheer for who they want, and I personally am sick of Eugene's gimmick so I didn't mind him being booed, but it is really annoying when the fans' reactions become the focal point of a show, and takes away from my enjoyment of the show.

The matches weren't great for the most part either though to be fair. :o

(Angle-Eddie, Benoit-Orton and the 6 man tag ruled)

I agree wth that post almost exactly. The reason it disgusted me to see the reactions, though, was because they wanted to become a focus part of the show, and they wanted to take away from guys like Nick Dinsmore and JBL working their asses off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No people weren't booing Eugene because he was "special." They boo him because he's annoying and because he's a gimmick from the 80's. These gimmicks worked back then when everything was all good and dandy, but the Attitude era destroyed all hopes for gimmicks like this to work. People turned on Eugene real fast when they saw how cartoonish his character was and because he was up in the main event picture wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to soon.

No, they were booing him because they thought they were going be looked on by the rest of the world as "OMG, those guys are doing what they want!!!!!!!!!!11 TORONTO RULES!!!!!!!!!11".

Characters don't get booed straight away if they're stale. You slowly see some of the less easily fooled/impatient people go first. Then those that eventually have the patience to put up with the character. Now wither Toronto is filled with fans that started watching restling at the exact same time, and are equally as intelligent, or they wanted to cheer and boo who they wanted to, not because they wanted to but because they thought it would be cool.

[Took]

Shut up with this cool defense. Face it, canadians are more honest types. We enjoy the Harts of the world, the benoits..not some crap like eugene who mocks what guys like benoit have tried to accomplish over a large chunk of time. We watch you americans cheer for whatever the wwe puts out, and we sit in disgust of it. Some of you know your shit, but most dont. Am I generalizing, yes I am, but in this case, it doesnt matter.

[.44 Magdalene]

Shut up with this cool defense. Face it, canadians are more honest types. We enjoy the Harts of the world, the benoits..not some crap like eugene who mocks what guys like benoit have tried to accomplish over a large chunk of time. We watch you americans cheer for whatever the wwe puts out, and we sit in disgust of it. Some of you know your shit, but most dont. Am I generalizing, yes I am, but in this case, it doesnt matter.

When you're talking about somewhere near 300,000,000 people (slightly rounded up, taken off census.gov), generalizing is a really quick way to totally kill an argument's credibility. Not all Americans cheer for whatever WWE wants them to cheer for. Not all Canadians are thorough smarks. Considering that Eugene's not that bad of a wrestler and has hence far been a pretty decent guy on the mic (considering the role he's given to play), I'd say he was a bit off the beaten trail from "crap." Different strokes for different folks. It's not like Eugene's less talented for not having paid his dues yet. He's no Benoit when it comes to wrestling, but Benoit's no Eugene when it comes to acting. Not that that's a great explaination, but you hopefully get what I'm trying to say here.

Not everybody watches WWE specifically for the pure, thoroughbred technical wrestling. Some people like their Entertainment a little more than their Sports. It's not "disgusting." It doesn't make the viewer less of an intelligent person. I'm going to assume for the good of mankind that you're NOT the spokesperson for Canada.

That's the Critic's two cents. :y: May wacky antics ensue.

[Innovator]

Shut up with this cool defense. Face it, canadians are more honest types. We enjoy the Harts of the world, the benoits..not some crap like eugene who mocks what guys like benoit have tried to accomplish over a large chunk of time. We watch you americans cheer for whatever the wwe puts out, and we sit in disgust of it. Some of you know your shit, but most dont. Am I generalizing, yes I am, but in this case, it doesnt matter.
see New York, see Philadelphia, see Chicago

These 3 cities are the toughest cities, but also most loyal to wrestling. At WM XX, we had two guys who didn't care for the business and look what happened to them, they're asses got booed out of the WWE. Yet this same crowd was solidly behind Benoit from the beginning to the end of his match. And at Summerslam 02, people booed the Rock because he was leaving for Hollywood, simple as that.

[The CyNick]

Sorry but they never booed Edge before. I'm not saying they cheer heels for the sake of it. I'm saying they go out of their way to give the opposite reactions to what WWE expects whether it's right or wrong. They booed Edge and Benoit for the sake of doing it.

And cheering Hogan spawned months of terrible matches and angles so I'm still blaming you lot.

Bro, you have to trust me on Edge. I made a post about Edge not getting a big reaction in Toronto before Summerslam over at BTR (and I probably did here as well). I know at Mania Edge got little to no recation when he came out. He got a slight pop for the win, and that was it. Then the other sign that Edge is not loved here was the Christian heel turn on him, the crowd was almost completely behind Christian.

And as has been said, Benoit wans't really booed, it was more of just people popping for a title switch than anything else. I remember when Angle beat Rock for the title for the first time, people cheered that, But Rock didn't turn heel or anything, and that wasn't even in Toronto.

Its like Ive said before, Toronto is a tough town to be a babyface, we like who we like, and anyone who tries to play babyface in a phony way (except Hogan, again sorry) will get booed. But I also go back to Austin, he never got booed, so anyone who says they cheer for guys just to be different is just flat out wrong. If that was the case why wouldn't we go out of our way to boo the biggest face of all time in Austin?

I think the biggest difference between Toronto and just about every other city is that there are a ton of "smarks" net fans, whatever you want to call them. And they will just cheer for the guys they like, regardless of heel or face. I mean nobody passes out flyers before the show saying "Lets screw with the WWE, lets cheer all the heels and boo all the faces, that'll show em!".

[The CyNick]

No, I think Eugene doesn't deserve to be booed because Toronto thought they're cool if they do it. Eugene is EXTREMELY popular. How an entire arena all happen to hate him is beyond me. He gets booed by one or two people on occasion, because they quite frankly don't like the act, but others that do like Nick, and do like what Nick has accomplished in the Eugene character cheer him, and that is the majority.

How would you feel if you returned from a war, only to have your hometown fans boo you away, even though they wanted you to do what you did?

I dont get your point about Eugene. Are you saying because he plays a retard its wrong to boo him? I mean I know you dont actually think he is a retard, so its not like we are insulting a retard for being a retard. Like LC said, we were turning on the WWE for force feeding us a gimmick that is right out of a tape from 1986 and doesn't belong in 2004. Nobody is against Nick Dinsmore as a person or even as a worker, we just dont like being asked to check our brains at the door by believing that Nick Dinsmore is a retard.

And are you saying Eugene is equivalent to a war hero? I think if a guy does somehting noble like serve in a war they deserve respect, but if a guy jumps in a wrestling ring and mocks retarded people and roll around in small tights with a bunch of guys, they dont really deserve any respect.

With JBL-Taker, I dont think the response was against Taker it was against the WWE for turning the WWE Championship and its rich history into a living joke with JBL. As Ive said before, I like JBL as acharcter, I dont necessarily think he's done that bad with the title, but at the same time I can understand why people would be totally against the idea of him as champ.

I mean lets say it was announced another chapter in the Godfather saga was coming out. And tickets went on sale before you knew anything about the movie. Then you get to the theatre and instead of having great actors like Robert Duvall, Al Pacino, De Niro and Marlon Brando you get Duvall with Andy Dick, Howie Mandell and Carrot Top. Do you have to sit there and 'respect it just because its the Godtaher franchise'? And even if its an average movie, wouldn't you still be upset because it makes a mokery of the Godfather franchise which was beloved and respected by many many people?

I can see this as a simialr deal. People respect the WWE Title, but when you put people who are so undersving of the spot some people, no check that a lot of people might turn on it. Its the WWE that disrespected the title by putting it on someone who never was anywhere close to the main events and before anyone was ready to accept him as a main eventer.

[HHHsucks929]

I understand the whole "fans can cheer & boo what they want" argument, but come on now... The wave thing is excusable. Like someone said the match wasn't that great so they decided to do soemthing fun like the wave, no big deal. But to blatantly boo the guys that are marketed to be cheered for is stupid. It ruins the atmosphere. I'm sure I wasn't the oly one who felt weird and started scratching my head when Eugene and Edge got booed. I was thinking "did I miss something on Raw?" The fans in Toronto were great at Wrestlemania X-8, but inr eality their intense cheering for Hul;k Hogan ruined their biggest angle at that time.

[The CyNick]

I understand the whole "fans can cheer & boo what they want" argument, but come on now... The wave thing is excusable. Like someone said the match wasn't that great so they decided to do soemthing fun like the wave, no big deal. But to blatantly boo the guys that are marketed to be cheered for is stupid. It ruins the atmosphere. I'm sure I wasn't the oly one who felt weird and started scratching my head when Eugene and Edge got booed. I was thinking "did I miss something on Raw?" The fans in Toronto were great at Wrestlemania X-8, but inr eality their intense cheering for Hul;k Hogan ruined their biggest angle at that time.

Thats a joke!

The ONLY reason that match was remembered like it is was because we brought back Hulkamania. The match itself was not very good, but the fans cheering for Hogan 100% over Rock made the match. And then some other cities like Montreal kept the ball rolling by showing love for the big lug as well.

[thecc]

[QUOTE=Xero Limit 126]Ive heard on more than one occasion people booing Eugene, so it's not an isolated incedent...

The NY crowd, especially at MSG, rips into every little thing, most noteably the Lesnar/Goldberg match at Mania... When I was at SummerSlam 2002, everyone was booing Rock and cheering Lesnar, when Rock was the face going into it... It just depends on where they are and what's happening/QUOTE]i was there and i booed the rock just because of the fact i think he is a horrible wrestler. This was also when he was constantly leaving the wwe for hollywood which i think caused even more heat towards him. I also remember after the match he was about to cry which was funny.

[CosaNostra]

How would you feel if you returned from a war, only to have your hometown fans boo you away, even though they wanted you to do what you did?

Please. There is no way that a comparison can be made between the two; wrestling and war. :nono:

And those people paid for their ticket and thus can boo anyone they like. If someone doesn't lie it, too fucking bad, its their money and they can cheer for who they want.

[jindrak]

The WWE has stated that crowd reactions do dictate the course of storylines and character development.

While I agree that the crowd can cheer whomever they want to, I thought the jeering of Eugene took a lot out of the atmosphere of the match. I say this only because Eugene was being portreayed as a disavantaged wrestler seeking revenge against the person that had done him wrong. Clearly, Eugene was the face, and HHH was the heel. By booing Eugene, the crowd blurred the distinction between face and heel, and I felt this really took away from the match. It was only until Eugene emulated SCSA that he got his face reaction back.

[The Answer]

Their were tons of Evolution marks that is why Edge,Eugene and even Benoit were booed. :y:

[CosaNostra]

Their were tons of Evolution marks that is why Edge,Eugene and even Benoit were booed. :y:
Exactly. Not every place is the same; even all of the time.

What is with this politically correct bullshit anyway? People can boo or cheer who they like. Its there perogative. They don't have to justify that to anyone, especially since they are the ones paying for the ticket.

[Rob]

Bro, you have to trust me on Edge. I made a post about Edge not getting a big reaction in Toronto before Summerslam over at BTR (and I probably did here as well). I know at Mania Edge got little to no recation when he came out. He got a slight pop for the win, and that was it. Then the other sign that Edge is not loved here was the Christian heel turn on him, the crowd was almost completely behind Christian.

And as has been said, Benoit wans't really booed, it was more of just people popping for a title switch than anything else. I remember when Angle beat Rock for the title for the first time, people cheered that, But Rock didn't turn heel or anything, and that wasn't even in Toronto.

Its like Ive said before, Toronto is a tough town to be a babyface, we like who we like, and anyone who tries to play babyface in a phony way (except Hogan, again sorry) will get booed. But I also go back to Austin, he never got booed, so anyone who says they cheer for guys just to be different is just flat out wrong. If that was the case why wouldn't we go out of our way to boo the biggest face of all time in Austin?

I think the biggest difference between Toronto and just about every other city is that there are a ton of "smarks" net fans, whatever you want to call them. And they will just cheer for the guys they like, regardless of heel or face. I mean nobody passes out flyers before the show saying "Lets screw with the WWE, lets cheer all the heels and boo all the faces, that'll show em!".

Yeah I do remember Christian being more over with the Toronto crowd when he turned on Edge so you have a point. I would say they cheer the renegades more than heels over faces really.

As for Eugene, most crowds around the U.S have been booing him so you can't blame the Toronto crowd there.

Maybe I just can't get over how they made Hogan's career again. Stupid Toronto bastards! :p

[sadio8]

lol rob you'll never get over that hogan deal from WM 18 eh.

P.S. - you need to get online soon enough i mean for god sakes man i got the ultimate warriars return just waiting on my computer for you to get ;)lol.

[sadio8]

[QUOTE=Alienoid06]No, I think Eugene doesn't deserve to be booed because Toronto thought they're cool if they do it. Eugene is EXTREMELY popular. How an entire arena all happen to hate him is beyond me. QUOTE]


How would Toronto fans think they would be cool by booing him? They can boo whoever they want its there choice. Just because Eugene is extremely popular everywhere else won't necessairly make him popular in Toronto or any other city for that matter, and because he's popular everywhere else does that mean we have to cheer for him because everyone else?

[Rob]

lol rob you'll never get over that hogan deal from WM 18 eh.

P.S. - you need to get online soon enough i mean for god sakes man i got the ultimate warriars return just waiting on my computer for you to get ;)lol.

I've been downloading some cool sh</>it recently :drool:

And some good wrestling stuff too :D :shifty:

[The Mackem]

Rob and his milf porn.

[RemyRed]

I think they booed Benoit because now he's being announced as hailing from Atlanta. On Raw there was a sign that said --GO BACK TO ATLANTA-- during the main event which I'm guessing was directed at Benoit. But most likely I'm wrong.

[Lara Emily]

I don't know how it turned out on TV but Benoit was not booed. Orton was just cheered, there's a difference. The crowd liked both guys.

[Took]

I really have no idea why Orton would be cheered though. It just proves that he does not have the Bret Hart love in Canada. Benoit I mean.

[Lara Emily]

There were a bunch of Evolution Marks there. The Atlanta thing doesn't help.

[Rob]

Rob and his milf porn.

Funny enough, I was looking at that today along with a ton of other sh</>it I wouldn't normally be arsed looking for. I've been very bored today.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shut up with this cool defense. Face it, canadians are more honest types. We enjoy the Harts of the world, the benoits..not some crap like eugene who mocks what guys like benoit have tried to accomplish over a large chunk of time. We watch you americans cheer for whatever the wwe puts out, and we sit in disgust of it. Some of you know your shit, but most dont. Am I generalizing, yes I am, but in this case, it doesnt matter.

Nick Dinsmore=Close to Benoit in terms of talent. How can you "be honest" with wrestling when you have a guy with the talent of many a wrestler working his ass off? Americans are polite to who goes in there and works their ass off, they don't only cheer for the guys that came out of their country. More honest? Not at all. I'd say more biased towards those that are the stereotypical popular guys around the net.

[Lara Emily]

Nick Dinsmore=Close to Benoit in terms of talent. How can you "be honest" with wrestling when you have a guy with the talent of many a wrestler working his ass off? Americans are polite to who goes in there and works their ass off, they don't only cheer for the guys that came out of their country. More honest? Not at all. I'd say more biased towards those that are the stereotypical popular guys around the net.It's unfair and too early at this point to compare Nick to Benoit. It's not the talent it's the gimmick. LOL of course you don't just cheer for guys from your country that would be what 80% of the roster? Polite? New York, Long Island are just two cities that have the tendancy to react the way Toronto does.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dont get your point about Eugene. Are you saying because he plays a retard its wrong to boo him? I mean I know you dont actually think he is a retard, so its not like we are insulting a retard for being a retard. Like LC said, we were turning on the WWE for force feeding us a gimmick that is right out of a tape from 1986 and doesn't belong in 2004. Nobody is against Nick Dinsmore as a person or even as a worker, we just dont like being asked to check our brains at the door by believing that Nick Dinsmore is a retard.

And are you saying Eugene is equivalent to a war hero? I think if a guy does somehting noble like serve in a war they deserve respect, but if a guy jumps in a wrestling ring and mocks retarded people and roll around in small tights with a bunch of guys, they dont really deserve any respect.

With JBL-Taker, I dont think the response was against Taker it was against the WWE for turning the WWE Championship and its rich history into a living joke with JBL. As Ive said before, I like JBL as acharcter, I dont necessarily think he's done that bad with the title, but at the same time I can understand why people would be totally against the idea of him as champ.

I mean lets say it was announced another chapter in the Godfather saga was coming out. And tickets went on sale before you knew anything about the movie. Then you get to the theatre and instead of having great actors like Robert Duvall, Al Pacino, De Niro and Marlon Brando you get Duvall with Andy Dick, Howie Mandell and Carrot Top. Do you have to sit there and 'respect it just because its the Godtaher franchise'? And even if its an average movie, wouldn't you still be upset because it makes a mokery of the Godfather franchise which was beloved and respected by many many people?

I can see this as a simialr deal. People respect the WWE Title, but when you put people who are so undersving of the spot some people, no check that a lot of people might turn on it. Its the WWE that disrespected the title by putting it on someone who never was anywhere close to the main events and before anyone was ready to accept him as a main eventer.

The point about the war hero thing was basically just a scenario I came up with. If you returned from war, and your country loved what you did for them, would they boo? If they did how would you feel. Nick Dinsmore is far from a war hero, but he goes in their for the people of Toronto, puts on great matches (just what they like to see), and he gets booed for it.

I realise that "Eugene" is an act, but I still think it's a little off to boo him because he's acting like he's supposed to. These people could have lost poor Nick his job if they kept on booing him. The current slump was blamed on Dinsmore at one stage, and that ticked me off. I'm not saying that eugene deserves respect because he's a great wrestler, but I think he deserves respect just because he can do a good job with what he has. Would it be so hard to respect that and maybe just sit silent during the match instead of booing you ass off, and insulting this guy? Quite frankly, I haven't bee fooled so to speak by the gimmick, but I can ease up on it and take it as a reasonable act. It is a little insulting at first, but it ends up being less of a mockery when people get behind the character.

I agree JBL may have been viewed as undeserving, bt he's worked his ass off for the people, and he's come off as a credible and decent worker. He's gotten more heat leading into his feuds than almost anyone else on the roster (maybe minus Eugene doing his job, no matter how degrading it is). If the people really wanted to voice their opinions, why not start a chant like "JBL Sucks" or even just cheering the heel. I think there were better ways for Toronto to handle that.

[The CyNick]

The point about the war hero thing was basically just a scenario I came up with. If you returned from war, and your country loved what you did for them, would they boo? If they did how would you feel. Nick Dinsmore is far from a war hero, but he goes in their for the people of Toronto, puts on great matches (just what they like to see), and he gets booed for it.

I realise that "Eugene" is an act, but I still think it's a little off to boo him because he's acting like he's supposed to. These people could have lost poor Nick his job if they kept on booing him. The current slump was blamed on Dinsmore at one stage, and that ticked me off. I'm not saying that eugene deserves respect because he's a great wrestler, but I think he deserves respect just because he can do a good job with what he has. Would it be so hard to respect that and maybe just sit silent during the match instead of booing you ass off, and insulting this guy? Quite frankly, I haven't bee fooled so to speak by the gimmick, but I can ease up on it and take it as a reasonable act. It is a little insulting at first, but it ends up being less of a mockery when people get behind the character.

I agree JBL may have been viewed as undeserving, bt he's worked his ass off for the people, and he's come off as a credible and decent worker. He's gotten more heat leading into his feuds than almost anyone else on the roster (maybe minus Eugene doing his job, no matter how degrading it is). If the people really wanted to voice their opinions, why not start a chant like "JBL Sucks" or even just cheering the heel. I think there were better ways for Toronto to handle that.

But Eugene has never done anything good for Toronto. The fans dont like the GIMMICK so they booed. I mean I wans't there, but I would have done the exact same thing, and I spend a great deal of time convincing people HHH is the devil. But I still would have been standing yelling "TRI-PLE H" "TRI-PLE H". Why? Because I hate the Eugene character. Its no disrespect to Nick Dinsmore, its just that I feel the WWE should know this kind of gimmick has no business in a WWE ring in 2004.

I agree that JBL has worked hard, once again Ive defended him a great deal on here. But at the same time I can understand why people would shit on him as champion. And if they chanted "JBL Sucks" the Toronto fans (which like I said is heavy on the smarks) they know JBL would go to the back and go "look at all that heat I got". Really the best reaction they could give was what they did. There's no denying the fans rejected the match, there's no way to spin that to say JBL drew a lot of heat or the acoustics were bad in the arena. You cant deny fans were bored where they start a wave.

[Loose Cannon]

IS A DAM GIMMMICK. A GIMMICK. THOSE people can give two craps about Nick Dinsmore ,the person, if he's running around with a gimmick from the 80's which we are suppossed to be past now. Those gimmicks won't get over anymore. People like to cheer wrestlers who are tough and cool now and days. This is not about Nick Dinsmore, this is ALL about the character of Eugene.

People have turned on a lot of gimmicks before which they were suppossed to cheer and in which the guy playing the gimmick was a good wrestler. It happens. Eugene will turn heel if this keeps happening and who knows, he may turn out to be one hell of a heel.

[Loose Cannon]

I will say this though. I think if Eugene was brought in as a heel (don't know how they would do it, but they did it with a clown so..) that character would be getting cheered right now because fans seems to love to cheer heels, especially ones who play their gimmick over the top. Plus he's a hell of a wrestler, so the fans would of got behind him. That's why I think he'll do better as a heel.

[Lara Emily]

What the hell would Cheering JBL do or booing him do if they want to get the point across that he's drawing X-pac heat?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Eugene thing is a gimmick, but he goes in there and puts uyp with this gimmick and he works his ass off. I think it is a bit of a slap in the face to go to an event and booing both gus in the ring.

The thing is though, Eugene IS OVER. He usually gets standing ovations from every crowd, it's just Toronto that have stood out.

I think eventually the Eugene character will be dumped and Nick Dinsmore will reveal he played us all. I can see Dinsmore becomming a new member of Evolution. Maybe Conway as well, so we can see a "Lords of the Ring" tag team.