JETS AND GIANTS, WHOOOOOOOOO

[Nervous Ferret]

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[Nervous Ferret]

^^^^thats going in my sig.

[VonErich Lives]

Ferret Face.

Was trying to find you a good Chad pic to use in your sig, this is the first one I found.

http://www.billszone.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10011/mURI_temp_7c9874fb.jpg
yep, thats chad watching his fumble get picked up. :D

[Nervous Ferret]

lol, I'm just going to keep the 1 big 1st down pic in my sig.

[Triple A]

That is the play he got injured on, Mr. VEL. It is pretty hard to hold onto the ball when your shoulder is smashed.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He says Omaha like 80% of the plays. OMAHA, OMAHA, HUT HUT
I dont know then, maybe its calling out the defensive front? Or it could just be his candence...like ours at my school was "Black 10...Black 10...set..go" Black 10 ment nothing at all.

[Nervous Ferret]

Trips gotta love that 1st down pic.

[VonErich Lives]

That is the play he got injured on, Mr. VEL. It is pretty hard to hold onto the ball when your shoulder is smashed.

Got guts, No Glory, it's the NFL...

Bledsoe got hit so hard he almost died and held onto the ball :)

Wait, was that really the play he got injured on? That's funny because I was trying to find a pic of him getting injured and settled for a pic of him fumbling.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bledsoe getting laid out = Best thing that has ever happened for the Patriots

[Nervous Ferret]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ay8pWSNQBHgJ:www.timesunion.com/sports/giants/graphics/giants0824chad.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.timesunion.com/sports/giants/graphics/giants0824chad.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.timesunion.com/sports/giants/&h=228&w=310&sz=17&tbnid=ay8pWSNQBHgJ:&tbnh=82&tbnw=111&start=19&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchad%2Bpennington%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff) broken wrist in preseason

[Nervous Ferret]

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img6588183.jpg pain after broken wrist.

[VonErich Lives]

Bledsoe getting laid out = Best thing that has ever happened for the Patriots

Mo Lewis = Pats MVP.

Although, if you read Patriot Reign (I just started it) Belichek was probably going to make a move by seasons end or let the compete in camp the following season.

I still like Drew, He just needs the right system, where Brady is more capable to adapt to the situation.

[Nervous Ferret]

true that stima
pennington > Brady

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

There was a Marshall game on ESPN Classic earlier, Pennington was running shit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

pennington > Brady
lol

[VonErich Lives]

Let's turn this into a Buffalo Bills thread.

Outside shot at the playoffs? Might beat Pittsburgh? Who knows... Bills v. Pats in the playoffs would be awesome.

[Nervous Ferret]

yeah I know..but talk to me after they both retire, then we shall see.

[Nervous Ferret]

Bills in the playoffs would be funny after their start. I knida like the Bills exept for the being in the AFC east part.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

yeah I know..but talk to me after they both retire, then we shall see.
LOL ok, talk to me when Pennington leads 2 scoring drives in the fourth quater to win 2 Supebowls in 3 years, aswell a game winning drive in overtime in a blizzard during the playoffs :y:

[Nervous Ferret]

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<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=afc align=middle><TD class=afc colSpan=13>AFC South </TD></TR><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>Team</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>T</TD><TD>PCT</TD><TD>PF</TD><TD>PA</TD><TD>Home</TD><TD>Road</TD><TD>AFC</TD><TD>NFC</TD><TD>DIV</TD><TD>Streak</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left width="20%">Indianapolis (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/IND)</TD><TD align=middle>9</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>.750</TD><TD align=middle>431</TD><TD align=middle>263</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>4-2</TD><TD align=middle>5-3</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>Won 5</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left width="20%">Jacksonville (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/JAC)</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>.500</TD><TD align=middle>198</TD><TD align=middle>225</TD><TD align=middle>3-3</TD><TD align=middle>3-3</TD><TD align=middle>5-5</TD><TD align=middle>1-1</TD><TD align=middle>2-3</TD><TD align=middle>Lost 3</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left width="20%">Houston (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/HOU)</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>.417</TD><TD align=middle>236</TD><TD align=middle>289</TD><TD align=middle>3-3</TD><TD align=middle>2-4</TD><TD align=middle>5-4</TD><TD align=middle>0-3</TD><TD align=middle>3-1</TD><TD align=middle>Lost 1</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left width="20%">Tennessee (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/TEN)</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>.333</TD><TD align=middle>231</TD><TD align=middle>294</TD><TD align=middle>1-4</TD><TD align=middle>3-4</TD><TD align=middle>3-6</TD><TD align=middle>1-2</TD><TD align=middle>1-5</TD><TD align=middle>Lost 2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Bills got a shot.

[VonErich Lives]

yeah I know..but talk to me after they both retire, then we shall see.

Wanna bet that Brady has more rings now then Chad will ever have as a Jet?

Also, they both were drafted the same year.

[Nervous Ferret]

LOL ok, talk to me when Pennington leads 2 scoring drives in the fourth quater to win 2 Supebowls in 3 years, aswell a game winning drive in overtime in a blizzard during the playoffs :y: We shall see Stima. We shall see.

[Nervous Ferret]

Wanna bet that Brady has more rings now then Chad will ever have as a Jet?

Also, they both were drafted the same year. meh I'll make that bet.

[The Miz]

Oh yeah, weren't you one of the ones having a hissy fit that I didn't know what I was talking about when I predicted a Giant collapse...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
What the hell are you talking about? I am not a Giants fan, I have never made any posts pertaining to you're Giants collapse predicitons. Good job making stuff up though. Is everybody else this stupid on the Jewish dating services?

[The Miz]

We shall see Stima. We shall see.
LMAO wtf. Shut the hell up you moron, you know Pennington will never be as good as Brady, why are you just setting yourself up to look stupid?

[VonErich Lives]

What the hell are you talking about? I am not a Giants fan, I have never made any posts pertaining to you're Giants collapse predicitons. Good job making stuff up though. Is everybody else this stupid on the Jewish dating services?

yawn.... Never said you were a giants fan, but you were one of the ones having a hissy fit because I had an opinion on the subject that you didn't agree with.

[Nervous Ferret]

LMAO wtf. Shut the hell up you moron, you know Pennington will never be as good as Brady, why are you just setting yourself up to look stupid? :wave:

[VonErich Lives]

So speaking of crow eaters... where's babyhugger....

[The Miz]

yawn.... Never said you were a giants fan, but you were one of the ones having a hissy fit because I had an opinion on the subject that you didn't agree with.
Can you find this post you're tlaking about please?

[Nervous Ferret]

prolly killing a baby or something.

[Triple A]

yawn.... Never said you were a giants fan, but you were one of the ones having a hissy fit because I had an opinion on the subject that you didn't agree with.
No, he wasn't.

He may have laughed at you for being an idiot, but that's it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

We shall see Stima. We shall see.
LOL Not only is Brady better, but Pennington is always getting injuried and shit. Brady will probably play longer then him if Pennington keeps getting hurt, and Brady already has more rings then Pennington will ever win. So I don't know what you really going for here. What are we waiting to see?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

And back to Giants and Jets. Predicting a Giants collapse isn't that big of a thing. Yeah they started out like 5-2 but they looked like garbage, I knew they weren't that good. They only have 1 touchdown catch by a WR all season, that is disgusting.

Jets are doing better then I thought they were going to do though, I didn't expect Curtis Martin to have anything left in the tank. I don't care though, Patriots always beat the Jets so WHATEVER.

[Triple A]

Yeah Pennington is the most fragile QB ever. Everytime he scrambles I feel like I am gonna have a heart attack.

[Gonzo]

Yeah I remember when he fractured and dislocated his wrist in the preseason, that was crazy.

I almost cried when Eli got hammered in the first game by that Eagles defender. I was like god damn thats $50 million.

[OssMan]

wow I hate Redskins fans. everyone is just saying that Eli Manning sucks and will never be good. I am going to love when he is the best quarterback in the league. the Giants need like three years for their offensive line to really get to know each other. gonna be awesome.

[Gonzo]

Yeah, I don't say anything to my friends or anything right now AssMan. In the back of my mind I know and thats good enough for me. These guys can have their time.

[BCWWF]

Brad Johnson

[VonErich Lives]

No, he wasn't.

He may have laughed at you for being an idiot, but that's it.

Yeah, he took legitimate quotes (which I was right) that I said about the Steelers and tried applying them to the Jets which didn't make any sense.

and if I was the idiot and you guys are all such geniuses how come the Giants suck?

Who knows, the season ain't over, maybe they go on a 4-0 run, make the playoffs and win the superbowl, then I'll tip my hat to you, but as it stands now, you're all the "idiots".

[VonErich Lives]

And back to Giants and Jets. Predicting a Giants collapse isn't that big of a thing.

Agreed, but when I dare to suggest the Giants weren't that good when they started off, Trips and Co. had a hissy fit. As if "You know nothing about football for predicting that, the Giants are great... etc... etc..."

[Triple A]

You were saying the stupidest shit. You were saying that Tiki Barber isn't even having an outstanding season. Do you realize how dumb that was?

[VonErich Lives]

wow I hate Redskins fans. everyone is just saying that Eli Manning sucks and will never be good. I am going to love when he is the best quarterback in the league. the Giants need like three years for their offensive line to really get to know each other. gonna be awesome.

If they keep the same line for 3yrs, Eli's in trouble.

They need some OL help, plus Eli needs a full offseason to learn the whole playbook so they can let him use his skills.

They have him on limited plays and quick releases and aren't letting him try to read defenses as much as say Warner was.

I think Eli has talent, will the Giants put the proper team around him and bring him along properly is the real question.

[VonErich Lives]

You were saying the stupidest shit. You were saying that Tiki Barber isn't even having an outstanding season. Do you realize how dumb that was?

are we going to go through that again?

I said and clarafied over and over, that he is not an outsanding RB, you have to put up these type of numbers more then once to be "outstanding".

His numbers before this year are not outstanding, they're good some years less then good.

This year he's having a great year, but to be an "outstanding RB" you have to do it more then once.

[Triple A]

If you watch Eli, it is so frustrating. As soon as the ball is snapped, he looks like he is fearing for his life. Like right away, every fucking play, the defensive line gets through and is running at him. The line has allowed fucking two punt blocks in two weeks. No quarterback would be able to perform well with the way they're playing now.

[Splaya]

You were saying the stupidest shit. You were saying that Tiki Barber isn't even having an outstanding season. Do you realize how dumb that was?
Even I realize how good of a season Tiki is having. Wish I had him on my fantasy team :(

[The Miz]

are we going to go through that again?

I said and clarafied over and over, that he is not an outsanding RB, you have to put up these type of numbers more then once to be "outstanding".

His numbers before this year are not outstanding, they're good some years less then good.

This year he's having a great year, but to be an "outstanding RB" you have to do it more then once.
You didnt read what he said. He said "Tiki is having an oustsanding season". He did not say Tiki is an outstanding RB. You said yuour self "he's having a great year", you're agreeing with him. Stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing

[VonErich Lives]

You didnt read what he said. He said "Tiki is having an oustsanding season". He did not say Tiki is an outstanding RB. You said yuour self "he's having a great year", you're agreeing with him. Stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing

Miz, if you don't know what your talking about, don't post.

He's talking about something previously posted in the thread, go back and read.

Tiki has always been an outstanding RB.

To which I responded and posted stats showing he wasn't.

I never denied he's not having a good year, just (in my opinion) based on his past history he's playing over his head. Again, we'll know for sure next year.

So, go back to changing around things I said so they make no sense, seems to be something your good at.

[VonErich Lives]

That must be why he brought the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in their second year. The Giants team is much better than the Jags were that year, so I don't see why they shouldn't be considered a threat.

Giants are outplaying everyone, they have mad heart, and that will take them far. That all stems from Coughlin being the fuckin man.

VEL, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Giants really have been playing great. It is not a fluke. And the NFC is weak, so they should be able to make the playoffs easy.

What are you talking about? Look at the NFC.. How can the Giants not being going places the conference is not good at all.


The defense rests your honor. :D

[Nervous Ferret]

I know "you don't like me" VEL, but your right.

[Triple A]

The defense rests your honor. :D
You stupid shit. "They have been playing great" is what I said, and they were at the time.

Right after that, their deep threat WR, Tim Carter, got injured for the entire season. He opened up so much shit for the Giants offense. He is so fast. After that, they had no deep threat at all and their other WRs could not carry them.

Also, like 60% of their defense is injured and like 2 or 3 of their starting offensive linemen have been injured. Shit happens.

[Triple A]

I never denied he's not having a good year
"Outstanding"????

Wow, I guess in your book "outstanding" = "average"

Sorry, look at the stats... he's only been average until this current season, and even this year isn't on an "outstanding" pace.

[VonErich Lives]

yeah, I'll have to go back and look at the date and stats then to see what pace he was on, I either had a valid reason (and it could only be stats related) or mis-typed.

and the outstanding = average was refrencing him saying Tiki has always been an outstanding back, which isn't true.

Also, good year and oustanding pace are two completely different things. There are plenty of players having good years but are far from being on an outstanding pace.

Wait, I know how I can settle his disagrement.

"Hey Trips, hope your kids get Aids" :roll:

[Y2Ant]

no one wants to admit they are wrong :'(

[The Outlaw]

Right after that, their deep threat WR, Tim Carter, got injured for the entire season. He opened up so much shit for the Giants offense. He is so fast. After that, they had no deep threat at all and their other WRs could not carry them.

Auburn representin' :mad:

[BCWWF]

no one wants to admit they are wrong :'(


I did :wave:

[Y2Ant]

:foc:

[VonErich Lives]

I did :wave:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BCWWF again.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Right after that, their deep threat WR, Tim Carter, got injured for the entire season. He opened up so much shit for the Giants offense. He is so fast. After that, they had no deep threat at all and their other WRs could not carry them.LOL He is the only Giants WR with a TD catch this season.

[Triple A]

I know, disgusting. Amani Toomer has some shit wrong with his hamstring I think, and Ike Hilliard is just a piece of shit. Has like 35 fumbles this season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Still though its not like Tim Carter is still some nasty probowl WR or something, they don't really have a lot of talent on that team. Toomer isn't even that great, neither is Hilliard. Tiki barber is like the really only good offensive player they got, Shockey is an average TE..everyone is just on his nuts because he flips out and shit.

[BCWWF]

Nah, Shockey was damn good. He used to have great catches all the time, but now he's lost it all or something.

[road doggy dogg]

LOL you don't "lose it all" after 2 years of being a pro.

[VonErich Lives]

Nah, Shockey was damn good. He used to have great catches all the time, but now he's lost it all or something.

Yeah, but he's always (since being a pro) had trouble dropping the ball.

Maybe Eli will be the answer for him.

[Nervous Ferret]

Nervous Ferret"s 1st annual "What the Jets need to do to win" post

1. Most importantly They need to make Roethlisberger throw the ball. I don't care about all the "how great he is" bullshit. He is still a rookie, and if you give him a chance,... he will fuck up.

2. The way the Jets accomplish #1. They need to "contain" the Steeler's rushing attack. By no means will the Jets ever be able to stop and shut down the steelers. But by containing Duce and The Bus could mean a Jets victory on Sunday.

3. When Ben does throw they need to get immediate pressure, and get inside his head. This will most likely be more difficult than the run-stopping due to the ijury of John Abraham.

Okay onto offense

4. Lamont Jordan. He could be the perfect change-up to Curtis Martin and to counteract the Steelers. It would be like trying to fight fire with fire but only fire would prevail. Lamont has hardly played this season so he's completely fresh and could be vital to the stretch run. Lamont 10-15 carries may equal a Jets win.

5. Eat up clock. They need to get 1st downs and keep the Steelers D on the field. Wearing them out in the beggining of the game may be crucial at the end.

6. Recievers need to make plays. Chad will put the ball where it needs to be. The recievers just need to catch it.

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note: That means don't throw it to Anthony Becht. Ever.

So thats basucally it.

Review:
- make Roethlisberger throw, and get pressure on him
- contain the steelers rushing attack
- Lamont Jordan. And lots of him.
- Get 1st downs
- NO BECHT!

[Nervous Ferret]

Nervous Ferret's 2nd annual "What the jets need to do to win post:

okay What they need to beat the Seahawks:
-stop the big play [Alexander will do well, but just hold him to the least amount of big plays as possible.
-Shut down Darrell Jackson [he's been big/now shut him down.]
-control the ball on offense
-LAMONT!!!!!!!

[VonErich Lives]

Come'on Giants don't fuck this up.

Will give the Giants some respect and give the Pats a shot at home field for the playoffs.

[Innovator]

YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sweet..Giants on top right now

[The Outlaw]

ELIIII

2 point conversion? Come on coach...retarded. Eli = tearing it up. Shockey going crazy = :love:

I like the Steelers a tad more but this is a good game to watch...

[OssMan]

Hines Ward is a piece of shit and I want to throw a brick at his stupid round face

[The Outlaw]

lol

Pretty good game.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Fucking Giants

[VonErich Lives]

Ok, some explain to me... WTF was the reason for a 2point conversion?

I didn't watch the whole game, did the Giants not have a place kicker?

The numbers made no sense to go for two at that point.

[BabyHugger]

Eli finally did well :love: the beginnings of a new era!!!!!!

Maybe

[The Outlaw]

Yeah I don't know why he went for two.

Steeler had been kicking field goals all game, so he might have been thinking two field goals wouldn't beat them? Im not exactly sure...

[weather vane]

I cannot wait until next year for the Giants. LETS GO BILLS!

[The Outlaw]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Giants miffed at officials</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER height="1" width="1" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By TOM CANAVAN, AP Sports Writer

December 18, 2004

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- The New York Giants (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyg/) joined the list of NFL teams complaining about the officiating.

Following their 33-30 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/pit/) on Saturday, the Giants griped about a roughing-the-passer call by referee Gerald Austin and a non-call on a potential pass interference play late in the fourth quarter.

``I guess we must have forgot to send someone a Christmas card over there in the black and white shirts,'' center Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5309/) said after the Giants (5-9) lost their seventh straight game.

``I have never seen so many lopsided calls and that's frustrating,'' O'Hara added. ``You are playing your heart out and you put your heart and soul on the field, and to have stupid calls like that is frustrating.''

Pittsburgh was penalized twice for 14 yards. The Giants lost 55 yards on five penalties.

In the past two weeks, Seattle coach Mike Holmgren and Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher have voiced concerns about the officiating.

Holmgren complained about a late touchdown catch by Dallas' Keyshawn Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3499/) that was clearly out of bounds in a Seahawks loss. Fisher complained about an inaccurate blow to the head penalty called by referee Tom White that cost the Titans a game against Kansas City on Monday.

The call that annoyed the Giants was a roughing-the-passer against safety Brent Alexander (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3025/) in the second quarter.

Alexander, Carlos Emmons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3805/) and Fred Robbins (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5084/) surrounded Ben Roethlisberger (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6770/) on a third-down sack. Austin blew his whistle and the other two Giants released the Steelers' quarterback.

Alexander seemed to be caught off balance when the other two let go and he and Roethlisberger fell.

Austin called it unnecessary roughing. The Steelers got 15 yards, a first down and eventually scored a then go-ahead touchdown on the drive.

``I was holding him and we just fell over,'' Alexander said. ``I didn't pick him up or try to drive him or whatever. We just fell over.''

What annoyed Alexander even more was one of the other officials who he was not able to identify told him it was ``a dumb play.''

Three plays after the penalty, Alexander said he was still so annoyed his missed an easy tackle on Verron Hayes on a third-down play.

``I was still complaining and lost my focus on a play that would have gotten us off the field,'' Alexander said.

The call came shortly after Steelers safety Troy Polamalu (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/) threw Giants running back Tiki Barber (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3937/) to the ground five yards out of bounds on the Pittsburgh side of the field. The officials never saw it, although Barber complained.

The Giants' second complaint concerned a deep pass by Eli Manning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6760/) to Amani Toomer (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3516/) with 3:31 to play and the Steelers ahead 33-30.

Toomer had a step on cornerback Willie Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2379/) on a third-and-2 from the Giants 44.

Toomer was in stride to catch the pass and Williams stepped on his feet trying to catch up. The officials felt both players were going for the ball and said the contact was incidental. Toomer insisted it was pass interference. ``I was going to catch the ball,'' Toomer said. ``I had him beaten and he pushed me in the back. It's a tough way to lose a ball game, especially since we played so hard.''


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[VonErich Lives]

I didn't see the first one.

But the 2nd one was not interferance.

The defender was looking at the ball, it wasn't even close.


Three plays after the penalty, Alexander said he was still so annoyed his missed an easy tackle on Verron Hayes on a third-down play.

As for Alexander "I was still complaining and lost my focus on a play that would have gotten us off the field"

lmfao, that's not the refs fault you can't keep your head in the game.

[Triple A]

No, actually, it sorta was.

[VonErich Lives]

No, actually, it sorta was.

Trips, take off the blue glasses.

The guy had already turned and was looking at the ball before there was any contact.

The rule is, the Defender has the same rights to the ball when making a play as a Receiver"

It's strictly when making a play on the ball which he was.

Had he not turned around, or even if his body was facing the ball, but his head looked at the defender it would have been interference.

It wasn't, simple as that. and I was rooting for the Giants yesterday and would have loved to get the call, before you start w/ the whole "You just always talk smack about the Giants" bullshit.

[The Outlaw]

He gave him a nudge if you looked close enough...Had he not been interfered with, he would have caught it in stride and probably taken it to the house. Iffy call and I'm not really surprised they didnt call it as crap as the refs have been this year.

So, a guy can basically grab a guy and yank him to the ground but as long as he is looking toward the ball it will not be called...k thanks for clearing that up :)

[Nervous Ferret]

see Herm, Look what happens when you give the ball to Lamont :D

[Nervous Ferret]

The Giants though. :love: :love: :love:

:lol:

[Triple A]

LAMONTTTTTTTTTT

If they gave him the ball some more against the Steelers, the Jets would have won. :mad:

[Triple A]

Hope they can somehow re-sign him. :'(

[The Outlaw]

What is up with ferret's sig

Disturbing

[Loose Cannon]

JETS :love: One more...or maybe not

[VonErich Lives]

He gave him a nudge if you looked close enough...Had he not been interfered with, he would have caught it in stride and probably taken it to the house. Iffy call and I'm not really surprised they didnt call it as crap as the refs have been this year.

So, a guy can basically grab a guy and yank him to the ground but as long as he is looking toward the ball it will not be called...k thanks for clearing that up :)

He's also be a very talented person w/ probably 4arms instead of two.

If the defender is playing the ball, looking at the ball he can make contact w/ the WR because he is treated as a WR.

Had he been looking at the player and not the ball and bumped into him it would have been called.

Like it or not, when the body contact was made, he was looking at the ball, the refs made the right call.

and trust me, I wanted the Giants to win... now I gotta hope for Baltimore and/or Buffalo to give the Pats a shot at home field for the playoffs.

[Gonzo]

To me, being a Giants fan it looked as if the "pass interference" wasn't one at all. Looked like they just got tripped up to me. The INT on that play pissed me off but oh well.

I only caught the end because I was working but from what I've heard Eli played magnificently. I can't really comment on much but to have an outing such as this and being 5-8 shows a little bit of heart. Better that they just didn't give up or lay down or whatever. I consider Pittsburgh to be the best team in the league and to put a scare in them and only lose by 3 is a feat in and of itself.

[Terra Ryzin]

was at the Jets game yesterday, 20 rows up from the feild on the 45, awesome game

[Nervous Ferret]

What is up with ferret's sig

Disturbing :wtf: It's Chad. 1st down.

[OssMan]

Jesus christ if I had used Lamont Jordan instead of Willis McGahee than I would have had a huge upset over KoOS in the playoffs :'(

[The Outlaw]

I meant your avatar

Also, VEL, I never said I was surprised they didn't call it. That's how it is but I don't think I like it. 4 arms? It's not hard to be looking at the ball but grab the guy and interfere with him.

[VonErich Lives]

I meant your avatar

Also, VEL, I never said I was surprised they didn't call it. That's how it is but I don't think I like it. 4 arms? It's not hard to be looking at the ball but grab the guy and interfere with him.

When he's behined you?

I'm fine w/ the call (and I wanted the Giants to win), simply because it's the same way they've made that call for a few years.

It was interesting, one of the sports shows was talking today, if the Refs didn't change the way they called interferance on DB (calling the clutching and grabbing more then they used to) do you think Manning and other QB's would be putting up such great numbers.

[Nervous Ferret]

Hope they can somehow re-sign him. :'( Well, if the Jets can resign him, that would be excellent. But there are way more teams that would pay more money and guarantee him a starting role. I would love to see Lamont be the next back for the Jets, but it's not gunna happen. No clue what there gunna do if they don't resign him. Maybe they'll trade up in the draft and get Cedric Benson. :y: :y: :y: :y:

[Loose Cannon]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK. WTF 21-10

COME ON STEELERS YOU ASSHOLES.

Fucking coming down to me depending on other teams.

[Nervous Ferret]

cotchery took it back
21-17

lol "cotchery"

[Nervous Ferret]

woooo fumble. Fumble!!!! yesssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!

[Loose Cannon]

LOL HOLY SHIT. JETS COMING BACK :love:

[BCWWF]

All of you New Yorkers here should be posting getting on the Jets ass, if they don't win they could somehow miss the playoffs right?

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, if they don't win and eathier Bills or Broncos lose, they will still make it,

BILLS ARE DOWN :D

[#1-norm-fan]

Jonathan Vilma is crazy.

[Loose Cannon]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

26-21 j.e.t.s. jets jets jets

[BCWWF]

ARE JETS GOING TO WIN??????????????

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn, here I am rooting for the Jets and I forgot that if they win, it stops the Minnesota choke. GO RAMS!

[#1-norm-fan]

AGGGGH. St. Louis just pulled ahead. Carolina scored to put them within 3. Buffalo just scored to put them. I was thinking the Jets could afford to lose this but if Buffalo wins, there's a chance they won't make the playoffs. But if the Jets DO win, Minnesota makes it, which just wouldn't be much fun. WHO DO I ROOT FOR?!? I'm so confused! I feel like Dan Aykroyd at the end of that movie Celtic Pride!

[#1-norm-fan]

<---- Totally losing my shit here!

[DaveWadding]

RAMS fuckers.

[BCWWF]

I'm not sure if I should be happy that the Vikings made it

[The Outlaw]

COTCHERYYYYY

[Kris P Lettus]

Fuck the Jets..

[Innovator]

ok 1:49 left, CMON ELI CMON TIKI

[Innovator]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! TIKI!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Eli finally wins one..3 TDs 1 INT..he played well

[Evil Vito]

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[OssMan]

YES

[SammyG]

Haha nice job jets.. Rams have momentum.. watch out seattle.. here we come

[BCWWF]

I can see the Vikings winning, Michael Smith can too, but I don't feel like explaining my reasoning right now. Be back later.

[#1-norm-fan]

This loss to the Giants better not have discouraged Parcells from coming back next year. Hell, Vinny either for that matter. Don't know why... I just have my moments where I love me some Vinny Testaverde. When Julius Jones had that last TD run, they were so into iton the sidelines. It was great. Then the defense had to go play like shit again and start freaking out and clotheslining Eli and what have you.