JETS AND GIANTS, WHOOOOOOOOO

[Triple A]

Mark my words. If the Jets can beat the Patriots the week after next, they are gonna start at least 8-0, because Herm Edwards made their schedule or something.

Oct 17 San Francisco 1:00pm
Oct 24 @New England 4:05pm
Nov 1 Miami 9:00pm
Nov 7 @Buffalo 1:00pm
Nov 14 Baltimore 1:00pm
Nov 21 @Cleveland 1:00pm
Nov 28 @Arizona 4:15pm
Dec 5 Houston 1:00pm
Dec 12 @Pittsburgh 4:05pm

Besides Baltimore and NE, they are gonna win all those games. They have the easiest schedule of all time. That's why I'm not sure about them yet. :mad:

The Giants though. :love: :love: :love:

[OssMan]

yesssssssssssss

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn hate the Jets

[Gertner]

Trips you silly goose you. The Jets aren't gonna beat the Patriots!



Silly!!!!!!




Gertner"Metrosexual":heart:

[Loose Cannon]

:D

[Y2Ant]

That TD catch by Shockey was pretty hot

Roy Williams didn't like it though :(

[Jerichoholic]

Cowboys :(

Roy Williams is still the man though, mostly because Darren Woodson is hurt, those had to give up his position of being 'the man'.

[Innovator]

Just like Chris Benoit, the Giants are FOR REAL

[MRAT=VEGETABLES]

I just got back rom the Jets game a few hours ago....
but i agree that were not going to know what the Jets are made of until week 15-17
Seattle
New England
@St. Louis

[VonErich Lives]

if Curtis keeps playing like he is, anything is possible.

NE, Balt, Hou, Cleveland and Pittsburg could all be tough games for the Jets.

[DaveWadding]

I don't think Cle is that tough. Everyone is underrating Houston..and Pittsburgh is just explosive when they wanna be.

[road doggy dogg]

They're gonna lose to Miami

[road doggy dogg]

Sorry that was my #1-wwf-fan retarded post of the night



Don't think they'll win the division but they have a good chance of a wildcard spottttt

[#1-norm-fan]

WTF are you talking about now?

[Gonzo]

Giants baby, looked piss poor in the first half then came out in the second half and opened it up on Big D.

I was surprised Seattle lost too, crazy.

[slextremely]

Ya Jets will get a Wild Card. Pennington is playing pretty good right now, We'll see if they can hang with New England. in a few weeks.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I got a picture of Curtis Martin hanging on my wall right now, back when he was with the Patriots

[VonErich Lives]

The giants might be for real.. but can they hold up... will the "new tiki" keep going?

I dunno, coughlin teams tend to get tired and fold near the end of the year... will be interesting to see... they don't have an easy schedule, and they play some strong defensive teams...

but should be fun to watch.

[Gonzo]

VEL GET OUT OF MY HOUSE.

But seriously, you make a valid point, seems what happened with his Jaguar teams.

We will have to see, I am excited, Tiki is playing the best football of his life.

[el fregadero]

That must be why he brought the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in their second year. The Giants team is much better than the Jags were that year, so I don't see why they shouldn't be considered a threat.

[Gonzo]

I'm not saying that the Jaguars didn't accomplish anything under Coughlin, but in the latter part of his tenure in Jacksonville his teams weren't too spectacular.

[VonErich Lives]

That must be why he brought the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in their second year. The Giants team is much better than the Jags were that year, so I don't see why they shouldn't be considered a threat.

I'd hardly call that a great team... nor would I claim the Giants are much better.

That Jags team didn't even win their own division, and it was a very weak division w/ exception of that years Steelers team who won the division.

Coughlin is know as a "tough coach" and has always run his players into the ground... maybe he's learned... but only time will tell.

He has them doing full contact pads practices late in the season and puts his players at risk.

I don't know if he still does it, but he used to have a rule that coaches couldn't wear sunglases on the sidelines, it was a sign of "weakness".

It's too early to say a team like the Giants are for real, but they have the potential. A lot of teams have potential and a lot of players are playing above their head... check back mid season... Can Tiki keep holding onto the ball? Cause if he starts dropping it again, Coughlin will bench him so fast his head will spin. can Warner stay healthy? and they don't exactly have an easy schedule...

I'm not saying they're not a good team, but I'm waiting a few more games to see how they shake out.

[VonErich Lives]

Also, as for season #2 of an expansion team. That has more to do w/ drafting then coaching.

don't forget, he got the job 18months before they played a game, he had plenty of time to scout... and even w/ that I'm not sure if he was the player personal guy...

not saying he's a bad coach, just not putting him up there like some people do.

[The Answer]

That TD catch by Shockey was pretty hot

Roy Williams didn't like it though :(

That Shockey push off didn't help.Easily offensive pass interference

[road doggy dogg]

That Shockey push off didn't help.Easily offensive pass interference

Yup :y:: Lucky break for the Giants on that one

[#1-norm-fan]

Seriously... the refereeing in the NFL gets more and more rediculous every year. It's almost like when instant replay started, the officials looked at it as an okay to start half-assing their calls more than usual. Really, a little concentration. I don't expect every little call to be dead on but stuff like the Shockey interference, the interference on Bennett early in the game tonight, and the Trent Green "sack" last week along with about a million other plays this season alone just taint alot of the games.

[BabyHugger]

Giants are outplaying everyone, they have mad heart, and that will take them far. That all stems from Coughlin being the fuckin man.

[#1-norm-fan]

Tom Coughlin looks exactly like a rabbit, by the way. It's scary.

[VonErich Lives]

Seriously... the refereeing in the NFL gets more and more rediculous every year. It's almost like when instant replay started, the officials looked at it as an okay to start half-assing their calls more than usual. Really, a little concentration. I don't expect every little call to be dead on but stuff like the Shockey interference, the interference on Bennett early in the game tonight, and the Trent Green "sack" last week along with about a million other plays this season alone just taint alot of the games.

There's an old saying "let them play".

You tend to see this near the end of games, where something has to be blatent otherwise they let things slip both ways.

I think w/ the enforcements of the 5yd bump rule (which has almost become a 0yd bump rule) they are lightening up on some of the other calls...

[el fregadero]

Alot of roughing the passer calls are iffy.

[VonErich Lives]

yeah, the NFL is really going out of their way to protect the QB, such as the no hitting below the waist rule.

Which I understand cause a few years ago like 1/2 the starting QB's got injured and watching Brady, Pennington, Culpepper and Manning is a big difference then there backups.

[Gonzo]

The reason they are so touchy is because quarterbacks were getting hurt too much.

As for the Shockey penalty, yeah it was blatant. However there are times when the opposition gets calls in their favor as well. :-\

[Loose Cannon]

5-0. :D I am in like heaven right now with NY SPORTS. JETS AND YANKS.

[Triple A]

The Jets opponents combined are like 6-22. Three one win teams, Miami, and the other three wins are from the Chargers.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots just beat the Seahawks and have already beaten the Colts

[FakeLaser]

G-MENNNNNNNNN

[DegenerationY]

The Jets almost lost a lock on Sunday to the Niners. Luckily for them, the Niners remembered that they suck, just in time.

[DegenerationY]

P.S.

:'(

[Y2Ant]

Patriots just beat the Seahawks and have already beaten the Colts
The Colts game was close though :mad:

[Loose Cannon]

There's like 20 Football threads in here, so I'm posting in the one closest to my post.

Fuck the Canadian Bills. That is All.

[Kris P Lettus]

Besides Baltimore and NE, they are gonna win all those games.

ahahahahahaha

*cough*Willis*cough*

[#1-norm-fan]

Quincy's crackhead ass will bring them back. JUST WATCH.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What happened to Pennington?

I was watching it, change the channel, change back to the game and Carter is throwing a TD pass :wtf:

Also, what ened up happening? It got cut off here becuase the Patriots game came on

[Kris P Lettus]

What happened to Pennington?


Hurt his throwing shoulder..

Bills won by 5..

[Gonzo]

Fucking Giants man. :mad:

[Crimson]

lol , Giants suck. I always said they were overrated.

[BabyHugger]

THey don't suck, shut the hell up, that is a giant ignorant statement. Their D is great, and their offense has problems, but they are a playoff team, shut the hell up.

[VonErich Lives]

THey don't suck, shut the hell up, that is a giant ignorant statement. Their D is great, and their offense has problems, but they are a playoff team, shut the hell up.

They're over-rated, but not as much as their coach.

Do they have a shot at the playoffs? Sure, they could get a wild card... won't be easy... they don't have too many gimme games the 2nd half of the season.

oh, and their D is good, it's not great...

I also wouldn't say they "Suck", but w/ that coach and a few players who played over their head the 1st half of the season that might come back down to earth fast (or are) I wouldn't be shocked to see them go 1-7 or 2-6 over the 2nd half.

But as I said, they have a shot... but so does most the NFC right now at a wild card.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hurt his throwing shoulder..

Bills won by 5..
McGahee :cool:

"WOO THAT GUYS ON MY FANTASY TEAM"

[Kris P Lettus]

McGahee :cool:

It's good to see him doing well after that national championship game a couple of years ago..

Scary shit..

On a sadder note, the Aints are fucking horrible..

:'(

Who Dat??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Too bad McGahee has to play for the Bills though. Can't stand them.

[OssMan]

yeah I have McGahee on my fantasy team, but I put Brian Westbrook in instead of him, I don't know what the fuck is going on though. Westbrook had like the worst game ever, stupid injury.

[BabyHugger]

Everyone expected the Giants to win like 4 games his yr, how could they be overrated.

[Triple A]

ahahahahahaha

*cough*Willis*cough*
"ahahahhaaha.."

[Triple A]

Yeah Pennington got "injured" on a sack. He is alright though I think. He looked fine on the sidelines. Also, the gay Bills just ran the clock out. The last 4 mins or whatever. Whatever.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hopefully the Jets come back to reality now

[Triple A]

Nah they are alright. They were doing well on offense but got nothing for some reason. They missed like a 30yd FG on their first drive, and the wind was crazy and shit. Plus, Buffalo has like the #2 D in the league. It's alright. They will go 12-4 I predict.

[#1-norm-fan]

Vinatieri kicked 4 FGs, 4 extra points, and threw a TD.

He is on my fantasy team. Despite my dislike of New England, he is now the man.

[Kris P Lettus]

"ahahahhaaha.."

Triple A, you piece of shit..

[Kris P Lettus]

Thought we were better than this..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also thought the Jets were better than that..

[Kris P Lettus]

zing

[#1-norm-fan]

Leave the fucking Jets alone. Them losing is SO early game.

Bears beat the Giants in the late game. Let's stick with the times and make fun of them.

[Kris P Lettus]

Did Eli get any PT??

[Triple A]

Kris P Lettus, you are the worst poster of all time.

[Triple A]

Nah Eli didn't.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nope.

[Kris P Lettus]

heh

And to think, less than a year ago I was in your top 20..

:wavesad:

[road doggy dogg]

LOL wow, like everyone's team lost this week :|

Jets lost
Giants lost
Lions lost
Cowboys lost
Eagles lost
Vikings might lose tomorrow night
Saints lost
Rams lost

Depressing week :wavesad: (except for Supreme, and some others :foc: )

[Triple A]

It's OK though. The Bengals are awful.

[Innovator]

If the Giants can figure out how to beat the easy teams, then we're good to go.

[VonErich Lives]

LOL wow, like everyone's team lost this week :|

Jets lost
Giants lost
Lions lost
Cowboys lost
Eagles lost
Vikings might lose tomorrow night
Saints lost
Rams lost

Depressing week :wavesad: (except for Supreme, and some others :foc: )


Pats won, all is well.

I am suprised how bad the Lions looked... I even started Jones on one of my Fantasy teams, cause he looked good last week and Wash had some injuries upfront... that didn't work out too well...

[DaveWadding]

Rams lost



Believe me, I'm not surprised (Which is why I picked the Pats this week :$)

[VonErich Lives]

Believe me, I'm not surprised (Which is why I picked the Pats this week :$)

Any chance you'll finally get a good coach when the year is over?

Martz is another great Coordinator, horrible coach.

[DaveWadding]

I dunno. I was pushing for them to fire/demote Martz last year and then promote Lovie...which never happened.

[VonErich Lives]

Hey Trips - Strahan, torn Pec... out at least 1 month, MRI today to see if he's done for the season.

[Triple A]

wtf

[Triple A]

Says who

[VonErich Lives]

Says who

Was just on ESPN radio, and someone had told me he left the game early... so could be true...

[Triple A]

Yeah he definitely injured his pec during the game, but I didn't hear that he could be done for the season. :mad:

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah he definitely injured his pec during the game, but I didn't hear that he could be done for the season. :mad:

Yeah, they said MRI today... depends on how bad the tear is...

[Y2Ant]

It doesn't matter for me this week, one of my teams will win, one will lose :o

I think i'd rather have Indy pick up the win though, as they need it more right now.

Minnesota can then beat Green Bay next week, Indy can beat Houston, and Detroit can beat Jacksonville. :cool:

[Y2Ant]

I bet all three of those games next week goes the exact opposite of what I just said :(

[el fregadero]

Jacksonville is going to finally get a blowout win instead of that last minute victory stuff.

[Innovator]

Sweet, there goes the season, Strahan out for the remainder.

[VonErich Lives]

Sweet, there goes the season, Strahan out for the remainder.

Yeah, not that the Giants were really going places... possible a wild card... but wouldn't have counted on that...

Unless coughlin has changed, he's always been known to work his players to hard, hence injuries.

Plus, I think Warner and Barber have been playing above their heads, well, especially Barber... will be interesting how they do the rest of the season, Strahan will hurt, but if the offense stays intact they should still be able to compete.

[Triple A]

VEL, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Giants really have been playing great. It is not a fluke. And the NFC is weak, so they should be able to make the playoffs easy. Their only competition for the wild card is Detroit, Green Bay, and St. Louis. All three of those teams are 4-4 right now.

[road doggy dogg]

Pats won, all is well.

I am suprised how bad the Lions looked... I even started Jones on one of my Fantasy teams, cause he looked good last week and Wash had some injuries upfront... that didn't work out too well...

You're not included in "everyone".


Also, Kevin Jones is not what Detroit needs. If I were Mariucci, I'd just say, "Hey, we have one excellent first-round pick in Williams, so fuck Jones and let's make Pinner our #1."

Pinner > Jones

[Rain Man]

Yeah, not that the Giants were really going places... possible a wild card... but wouldn't have counted on that...

Unless coughlin has changed, he's always been known to work his players to hard, hence injuries.

Plus, I think Warner and Barber have been playing above their heads, well, especially Barber... will be interesting how they do the rest of the season, Strahan will hurt, but if the offense stays intact they should still be able to compete.
What are you talking about? Look at the NFC.. How can the Giants not being going places the conference is not good at all. Has does Strahan getting an injury in the game have anything to do with Coughlin running his players too much. Odviously by Coughlin pushign his players look at the difference between this year and last year. And Warner and Barber are not playing abover their heads.. They are just playing very well.. WTF are you talking about?

[Gonzo]

Oh my god..Michael.. :'(

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's OK though. The Bengals are awful.
Why are you capitalizing ok like some sort of big dick?

[Triple A]

Why are you capitalizing ok like some sort of big dick?
Because it is either OK or okay. Not Ok or ok. I do not enjoy typing in all lowercase letters to look kewl.

[Triple A]

(hot feud btw)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How bout them Patriots

[VonErich Lives]

VEL, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Giants really have been playing great. It is not a fluke. And the NFC is weak, so they should be able to make the playoffs easy. Their only competition for the wild card is Detroit, Green Bay, and St. Louis. All three of those teams are 4-4 right now.

What are you talking about? Look at the NFC.. How can the Giants not being going places the conference is not good at all. Has does Strahan getting an injury in the game have anything to do with Coughlin running his players too much. Odviously by Coughlin pushign his players look at the difference between this year and last year. And Warner and Barber are not playing abover their heads.. They are just playing very well.. WTF are you talking about?

Yawn, yeah ok whatever... so this years excuse will be strahan... what will next years be?

Barber is playing over his head, he's not as good as he's playing, and he will at some point break down and come back to earth.

But hey, I understand, the Giants fans don't have much to hold onto.

Should just rebuild, one thing Coughlin was good at was finding talent, get rid of some high priced guys and rebuild the team.

and no, it's not coughling "pushing a team" he was known in jacksonville for doing stupid things like full pads contact practice late in the season and that's how players get tired and get injured.

Who knows, maybe strahan was an early sign of that.

[Triple A]

You are an idiot. Shut up. I guarantee you have not watched any Giants games this season. Barber really is nuts. He has been playing great every game this season. It's not just one or two games. It's consistent. If you watch him it is insane. You think he's going to be tackled, then he just teleports or some shit and gains 7 yards.

[VonErich Lives]

You are an idiot. Shut up. I guarantee you have not watched any Giants games this season. Barber really is nuts. He has been playing great every game this season. It's not just one or two games. It's consistent. If you watch him it is insane. You think he's going to be tackled, then he just teleports or some shit and gains 7 yards.

Yes, hence the term "playing over his head"...

Really Trips, I thought you were smarter then this... what is this your first year following the NFL? Do you think Barber is a rookie? or are you assuming he's just a late bloomer and all his problems are magicly gone now that Coughlins here?

That's fine, I just think we'll see the old Tiki back at some point... might not be this season, might be next... we'll have to wait and see....

[VonErich Lives]

You're not included in "everyone".


Also, Kevin Jones is not what Detroit needs. If I were Mariucci, I'd just say, "Hey, we have one excellent first-round pick in Williams, so fuck Jones and let's make Pinner our #1."

Pinner > Jones


Pinner has looked good, but they can't giveup on jones yet, especially so soon off injury.

he gets back to 100% and blows chunks the rest of the year, different story.

[Triple A]

What problems? He hasn't lost a single fumble this season. He has obviously done a lot to improve himself during the offseason too.

I don't get what the hell you're talking about.

[VonErich Lives]

What problems? He hasn't lost a single fumble this season. He has obviously done a lot to improve himself during the offseason too.

I don't get what the hell you're talking about.

again, you do realise there was an NFL before this season? You do understand this wasn't his first year?

Really Trips, this is like talking to Wadding about the Rams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=3937

There, now look at his career stats...

he's on pace to have his 2nd highest yds per rush avg, beat his total rush yards by 253yds, etc... etc... the biggest change is he hasn't put the ball on the ground.

Now, yes... sometimes when a player makes a drastic improvement mid-career it's continues, he's a late bloomer or whatever you want to call it. Personally, I see the fumbling coming back and coughling wont stand for that and Tiki will be on the bench or gone. might not be this year, this could be his "1 hit year" so to speak... and I'm not saying he's a horrible player, far from it... the fumbling has been what's always hurt his career.

again, time will tell.

[VonErich Lives]

He hasn't lost a single fumble this season.

and just a note, a fumble is a fumble... the coach doesn't say "that was ok Tiki (or whoever) since we recovered the ball".

[Triple A]

????????????????????

He has been solid the last two years. He has been a solid player and this season he has been a great player. People are talking about him being an MVP candidate. Like I said before, it is obvious that he has done a lot to improve himself this season. I don't understand your point. You are saying he could suddenly suck next year? The same goes for every single player in the NFL.

[Triple A]

and just a note, a fumble is a fumble... the coach doesn't say "that was ok Tiki (or whoever) since we recovered the ball".
He has only fumbled ONE time this entire season, and it wasn't even a full fumble. As he was being tackled, the ball came out and in less than half a second he fell right on top of it as he was coming down. His knee might have even been down already.

[VonErich Lives]

????????????????????

He has been solid the last two years. He has been a solid player and this season he has been a great player. People are talking about him being an MVP candidate. Like I said before, it is obvious that he has done a lot to improve himself this season. I don't understand your point. You are saying he could suddenly suck next year? The same goes for every single player in the NFL.

No, the last 2 years he's gotten the ball more then he had and was healthy, but he still had fumble problems last year.

I'm not disagreeing he's having a great year this year, but

1) Let's see if he finishes the season this stong.

2) Let's see if he holds onto the ball the rest of the season.

3) Let's see if he does it again next year.

There have been plenty of players to have a "break out year" only to return to old form the next year.

[BCWWF]

Apparantly players can't improve these days

[Y2Ant]

I bet Mewelde Moore is horrible when he comes back :nono:

[VonErich Lives]

Apparantly players can't improve these days

Apparantly people can't have opinions that differ from BCWWF's these days...

wait, that's nothing new.. forget the "these days".

[Triple A]

Nah you are wrong, VEL.

[BCWWF]

What are you so angry about? Me bursting your bubble telling you that Roger Clemens isn't signing with the Red Sox? Or are you mad because I am biased in supporting my hometown team, the Giants?

[BabyHugger]

Yea how could you say Tiki is going to all of a sudden be bad. That doesnt make any sense. You are just mad because Corey Dillion is mediocre.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea how could you say Tiki is going to all of a sudden be bad. That doesnt make any sense. You are just mad because Corey Dillion is mediocre.
How is Dillion mediocre? Patriots only lost 1 time and one of the big reasons they lost was because he wasn't playing

[BabyHugger]

Nah he isnt mediocre, I was just being a dick, but he is pretty avg.

[BCWWF]

No, Dillon is one of the better rb's in the game, but he is by no means an elite back, like Priest Holmes or Ladanian Tomlinson.

[#1-norm-fan]

How is Dillion mediocre? Patriots only lost 1 time and one of the big reasons they lost was because he wasn't playing

I bet Pittsburgh would have shut him down just the same.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

AIGHT DAWG

I don't think so, but you never know I GUESS. I am sure the Patriots would have had more then 5 rushing yards if he was in there. Pats had to pass everytime, and Pitt knew that and took advantage of it big time.

[VonErich Lives]

Nah you are wrong, VEL.

Talk to me at the end of next season, then you'll know who's right and who's wrong.

till then

STFU Triple A :mad:

[VonErich Lives]

What are you so angry about? Me bursting your bubble telling you that Roger Clemens isn't signing with the Red Sox? Or are you mad because I am biased in supporting my hometown team, the Giants?

neither, you just made a silly comment "players can't improve these days" they can improve, I just choose to think Tiki's is short lived, so we'll see next year.

As for Rocket, I never said he was singing w/ the Sox, please go back and re-read that thread... again... maybe this time you'll get it. :p

[Gonzo]

Tiki has always been an outstanding RB. Last year his fumble problem was especially big, so I don't think he is on a breakout year. I just think last year was a down year in his career.

Tiki can do damn near anything, hell if we didn't have a capable QB I bet he could do that too. The guy is all world when he is on top of his game.

[VonErich Lives]

Tiki has always been an outstanding RB. Last year his fumble problem was especially big, so I don't think he is on a breakout year. I just think last year was a down year in his career.

Tiki can do damn near anything, hell if we didn't have a capable QB I bet he could do that too. The guy is all world when he is on top of his game.

"Outstanding"????

Wow, I guess in your book "outstanding" = "average"

Sorry, look at the stats... he's only been average until this current season, and even this year isn't on an "outstanding" pace.

As for "last year was a dowwn year because of fumbles?" Take a look at his stats.

97, 98, 99 he was a backup/part-time so we wont count those (98 he only had 52 carries and 99 only 62).

2000 - 213 carries, 1006 yds, 4.7avg and 5 fumbles
2001 - 166 carries, 865 yds, 5.2avg and 3 fumbles
2002 - 304 carries, 1387 yds, 4.6avg and 5 fumbles
2003 - 278 carries, 1216 yds, 4.4avg and 6 fumbles

I don't see how you can say 2003 his fumble problem was especially big, I guess in % maybe, since he had less carries then 2002 but 1 more fumble. I'd say his porblem was getting better, while even though he still had 5 and 6 fumbles in 2002/2003 they were his 2 highest carries season, so his fumble per carry avg was down.

Again, I'm not saying he's a bad RB.

But, Outstanding? Great?

These are terms for LT, Lewis, Holmes, Probably Portis if he does in Wash what he did in Denver.

Tiki is on pace for a career high in carries, yds, currently has his 2nd highest avg/carry and so far only 1 fumble, so even if you avg the season out, that's only 2 at years end. He's also on pace for over 60 rec, over 800rec yds (career high), and 18td's Career high.

So again, I won't argue he is on pace for a great season, but until this year he has only been average, and to say he's going to be a great RB going foreward is a guess, a guess based off of one year. I'm making the opposite guess, that next year he comes back to earth, 1000-1200yds on the ground 300-400yds rec, 4-6 TD's and maybe even a return of 4-5 fumbles depending on how often he gets the ball. My prediction likes yours and Trips is also a guess, I'm just going on his past history that and typically in the NFL when a player has problems holding onto the ball, it's a problem that follows them there whole career. I'm also factoring in the type of coach Coughlin is, who is known to over-work/practice his players and if Tiki does start to drop the ball again wont hesitate to put him on the bench.

[VonErich Lives]

Now, back to the real subject..

J-E-T-S-S-U-C-K!!!!

Nice clock management there...

Thanks Ravens!

[Triple A]

VEL, you have no idea what you are talking about. Barber hasn't been outstanding this season? Are you retarded? He is on pace to shatter the record for lines from scrimmage in a season. He is #4 in the league in rushing coming into this week and may even go up to #1 after this week.

Coughlin won't hesitate to put him on the bench? Just stop even posting about this. You obviously barely follow the Giants, stop talking stupid shit.

[Triple A]

Now, back to the real subject..

J-E-T-S-S-U-C-K!!!!

Nice clock management there...

Thanks Ravens!
Yeah, the Jets suck. Good one. :y:

[The Miz]

the jets talk to much trash... haven't really beaten anybody... the pats would beat them, just like the steelers. well they lost to the steelers but still the pats are obviously better... i mean our 3rd string long snapper was injured... only way the steelers beat us

[Triple A]

LOL

[Y2Ant]

:love:

[Y2Ant]

p.s. the Packers are gay

[VonErich Lives]

VEL, you have no idea what you are talking about. Barber hasn't been outstanding this season? Are you retarded? He is on pace to shatter the record for lines from scrimmage in a season. He is #4 in the league in rushing coming into this week and may even go up to #1 after this week.

Coughlin won't hesitate to put him on the bench? Just stop even posting about this. You obviously barely follow the Giants, stop talking stupid shit.

Trips you have no clue what your talking about, stick to things you understand, which football clearly isn't one of them. Stick to video store clerking and sleeping through classes.

Barber has played outstanding this year, but that doesn't make him an outstanding RB. When he does it for more then 1 season you can use that term.

and please, learn how to read... if Tiki goes back to putting the ball on the ground, coughlin won't hesitate to bench him. That's the type of coach he is, if Tiki starts droping the ball every other game and especially in key situations like he did last year, he'll get benched. Don't forget, coughlins the same task master who wouldn't let coaches in Jacksonville wear sun glasses on the sidelines cause he felt it was a sign of weakness.

[VonErich Lives]

the jets talk to much trash... haven't really beaten anybody... the pats would beat them, just like the steelers. well they lost to the steelers but still the pats are obviously better... i mean our 3rd string long snapper was injured... only way the steelers beat us

hahaha, oh yeah good one... cause that's exactly what I said.

Miz, are you really as stupid as Triple gAy or just pretending?

The Jets aren't trash talkers, and I think Lewis is a good coach, but he and the team F'd-up today. Plain and simple. The jets don't suck, it's a take off of the J-E-T-S chant, see, trips would know that, but he's still new to this football things, even though it's a team from his home state that he claims to follow.

As for the Steelers, show me once where I said they weren't the better team when they played the Pats? You can't, because I didn't. They beat the Pats, no questions about it.

That being said, the Steelers do talk too much, and yeah, this time they backed it up, took them 3yrs of talking to finally get a regular season win.

As for the injuries, again, your a complete idiot, take any team and take away a top 10 (possible top 5) RB w/o a good backup and it's a different team, not to mention the 2 starting CB's and #1 backup CB being injured.

But again, none of this changes that the Steelers won... so stop trying to be cool like Triple gAy....

Anyway, don't you have better things to do? Like watch the Seahawks who some peopled picked to go to the superbowl, blow not just the division but possible the playoffs?

Oh yeah, how'd the Seahwaks and Jets do against the Pats?

Yeah, that's what I thought... so looks like you and Trips can share your crow-soup together. :p

[The Miz]

LOL. I am making fun of how you had to come up with an excuse as to why the Pats lost, yeah you said Pitt was the better team but you used the injuries excuse. Nice job taking jabs at the Seahawks when I have never once bragged about them even when everyone jumped on the Seahawks bandwagon and called them the best team in the NFC. How the Seahawks and Jets did against the Pats doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you're a shitty poster and should be shot.

You don't take kindly to impersonation do you VEL? All it took was a couple lines of impersonation and you flip out and write an essay.

[Gonzo]

Typical Giant football. :mad:

[BabyHugger]

Trips you have no clue what your talking about, stick to things you understand, which football clearly isn't one of them. Stick to video store clerking and sleeping through classes.

Barber has played outstanding this year, but that doesn't make him an outstanding RB. When he does it for more then 1 season you can use that term.

and please, learn how to read... if Tiki goes back to putting the ball on the ground, coughlin won't hesitate to bench him. That's the type of coach he is, if Tiki starts droping the ball every other game and especially in key situations like he did last year, he'll get benched. Don't forget, coughlins the same task master who wouldn't let coaches in Jacksonville wear sun glasses on the sidelines cause he felt it was a sign of weakness.
WHat are you a fuckking idiot. Coughlin shows a lot of faith in his players, he is the kind of coach who takes players and makes them play stroing as a unit, not the type who benches people. For christ sakes he should have benched Warner a game ago. Sounds like you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, I guarantee you he does not bench Tiki even if he fumbles 5 times next week.

[Gonzo]

Warner had 4 turnover's alone. He said he considered benching him but stuck with him.

He won't be that hasty, especially if Barber all of a sudden catches a case of fumbilitis, because behind him, there is no one to play.

Barber is an outstanding RB who had a down season last year with the fumbles. He has improved upon this, probably largely in part due to Coughlin being around.

Now if only Kurt could get his head out of his ass long enough to play the whole game.

[The Miz]

That being said, the Steelers do talk too much, and yeah, this time they backed it up, took them 3yrs of talking to finally get a regular season win.
LOL this is classic. Let's check the last 3 years of regular season NE-PIT matchups.

2004: PIT 30-24
2003: Didn't play
2002: NE 30-14

Looks like they both won one. By my math that makes them tied. You make it sounded like the Pats beat them 10 times before the Steelers won by saying "3 years". They played 2 games in 3 years. 3 including the 2002 playoffs, but you said regular season.

[OssMan]

Strahan + Washington out. no pass rush.

[Triple A]

Trips you have no clue what your talking about, stick to things you understand, which football clearly isn't one of them. Stick to video store clerking and sleeping through classes.

Barber has played outstanding this year, but that doesn't make him an outstanding RB. When he does it for more then 1 season you can use that term.

and please, learn how to read... if Tiki goes back to putting the ball on the ground, coughlin won't hesitate to bench him. That's the type of coach he is, if Tiki starts droping the ball every other game and especially in key situations like he did last year, he'll get benched. Don't forget, coughlins the same task master who wouldn't let coaches in Jacksonville wear sun glasses on the sidelines cause he felt it was a sign of weakness.
Wow are you serious?

You just said Barber hasn't even been outstanding this SEASON, like a retard. "...and even this year isn't on an 'outstanding' pace." Now you went ahead and completely changed what you said.

LOL @ you thinking Coughlin would bench Barber. You are a fucking MORON. Just stop. First off, the Giants have no backups anywhere near Tiki Barber. Why the fuck would he bench him you dumb cunt? Coughlin has stuck behind Kurt Warner all season despite tons of people calling for his head. Stop acting like you have any idea what you're saying.

You love George Bush and you are like 30 and you still type "your" instead of "you're". You are a giant retard.

[BabyHugger]

Hahaha yea, he talks out of his ass about football. Disgrace to the game.

[The Outlaw]

I would say Tiki is for real this year. Have any of you read about his off season conditioning plan? The guy got JACKED UP. Went from like 195 incline to 400. Said he's gotten bigger but has increased his speed as well.

DOnt remember where I read it but it was a pretty good read. Seems like it was in an ESPN Mag.

Anyway yeah, dont see how you can argue against the guy right now. Hes a STUD

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots will beat the Steelers with Dillon. You all can jump on the faggot ass Patriots hater bandwagon, good luck with that. But we'll see what happens come playoff time. It will be a whole different ball game, there wasn't even a THREAT to run, thats what people don't understand.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Tiki Barber is doing work this year, Probowl type season. I dunno why you guys are arguing over, if anybody is getting benched its Kurt Warner. That guy is a fucking bum, bring in Eli babyy

Not like it matters though Giants suck ass. Jets are pretty good though, hopefully they keep losing. Helps the Patriots out

[Innovator]

The Giants should just play the best teams in the NFL every year, that way we win the tough games and don't lose to the shitty ones.

[VonErich Lives]

I'll just answer all you Giant and Jets idiots w/ one reply.

Let's see... who won yesterday and who lost?

Ok... Giants, you lost to Arizona, and don't give me this crap how they're a real good team because of they're record. You lost to one of the worst teams in the league, plain and simple.

As for Tiki, talk to me next season, 1/2 a year doesn't mean crap. Yes, he's having a great season, yes he should make the pro-bowl if he stays on pace, but calling him an outstanding RB is different then saying he's having an outstanding year. Yes, he's having a great or even "outstanding" year, but he's not an outstanding RB, he's gotta do this for a couple of years to get that title.

As for Couglin, I didn't say 1 bad game... but ya wanna bet if Warner has 2-3 or 3-4 bad games he won't get benched for Eli? You guys have no clue what you're talking about w/ Coughlin. He's not a touchy feely coach like Vermil, he's a task master and if Tiki has a few bad games and puts the ball on the ground you'll see Cloud get the ball more. Don't forget Cloud is a BC kid and Coughlin was once a BC coach, you think it's a coincidence he signed him? (no they were not there at the same time).

As for coughlin working player to hard, example Fred Taylor, notice he's been injured less since coughlin left?

Miz, I didn't flip out, you just made up a bunch of crap and made yourself look like an idiot. If the pats had beat the Steelers and the Steelers didn't have Duce or Bettis, I would have said the same thing, that the Pats won but the Steelers would be a much different and tougher team to beat w/ their starting RB. and if the score was the exact opposite, I probably would have said "The Pats got lucky, if the Steelers had their RB's the pats would have lost today". So get a clue before you start posting.

and Trips did you take a extra dose of stupid pills? Really, smoke a little more Pot there kid... I love george bush? I'm 30? ok, I make type-o's on a message board, wow... you really got me there... I guess you're 1 for 3... So next time, if you're doing to try and make a personal attack to hide your lack of football knowledge, at least be accurate.

(awaits the miz "see look, you flipped out", no, I posted a response... but nice try, trying to read/place emotion into a post on a message board).

Anyway, Pats won put up points against one of the best defenses in the league, Jets Lost to a good team, they should have won, some bad play calls and horrible clock management, and the Giants... ya lost to the Cardinals.. Yeah, you sure do look playoff caliber... still have a shot, but so does most the nfc at this point.

[BabyHugger]

What are you talking about, you still ahvent answered why you think Coughlin would bench Tiki Barber for Mike Cloud if he did bad. Lets be serious here, Coughlin is not known for benching people it is that simple moron.

[Triple A]

LMAO you are a joke. I get what you're saying but just give it up.

My lack of football knowledge? You are here trying to sound impressive but you are saying some of the most ridiculous uninformed shit I have ever heard. You are acting like you know what you're talking about, like you are some sort of football analyst, but you have not watched a single Giants game all year I bet. You are pathetic. Just stop.

[BabyHugger]

I bet he is the dick that when Barber finally loses a fumble will be like SEE!!!!!!!!! Like he was right all along. So annoying.

[Triple A]

Also, Mike Cloud is injured. :roll:

[VonErich Lives]

you're both tools. Babyhugger it's simple, Coughlin is a discipline guy, if Tiki was to go back to his fumbling past especially like last year, where it always seemed to happen in key situations he'd eventually get benched. Coughlin would not stand around and watch Tiki put the ball on the ground and/or turnover the ball in key situations.

I've never said Tiki was a bad RB, he's always been average or good, this year he's playing great, but it takes doing it more then 9 games to be a great RB.

I also stated the Ginats aren't as good as you Giant fans seem to think they are, and well, look at their record and the games they've lost. Might they still make the playoffs? Sure, half the league is 4-5 or better so everyone has a shot, but they're not some great/dominant team.

Trips - Have I watched every giants game no, but you don't have to, to know coughlins coaching history or to see barbers history. Yeah, you may know the depth chart and who the names of their special teams players, but that doesn't count for much. I'm not claming to be a football expert but you don't need to be Boomer Esiason to see the obvious. You don't need to he a football historian to know that 8-9 great games doesn't make someone a great back... go through the nfl records trips, look at the 1 or 2 year wonders, heck, just look at the Rookies of the year... John Stephens, Lenord Ruseel, both rookie of the years I think, both had great rookie years and decent 2nd years and quickly faded... plenty of players have had great years... and as I've said, you could be right, Tiki might break all the records this year and do it again next year and the year after and then I'll tip my cap to you, but till then he has to prove himself for more then 1 season.

Anyway Trips. I know yesterday must be tough when you have two teams to root for and neither one pulls off a win.

So, which are you more, if you could only root for 1 team... a Jets fan or Giants fan.

Personally, I like the Giants more, but I think the Jets have a better team.

[VonErich Lives]

LOL this is classic. Let's check the last 3 years of regular season NE-PIT matchups.

2004: PIT 30-24
2003: Didn't play
2002: NE 30-14

Looks like they both won one. By my math that makes them tied. You make it sounded like the Pats beat them 10 times before the Steelers won by saying "3 years". They played 2 games in 3 years. 3 including the 2002 playoffs, but you said regular season.

I said to finally get a Regular Season win.

They got their butt kicked at home in the AFC championship in 2001.

They we're all talking about the superbowl and their plans and then lost at home, so they talked all offseason about how they were the better team and that was their superbowl and got their butt kicked in the home opener.

As I said, if the Steelers didn't have Bettis and Duce and lost by a close score, I'd have said the same thing about the Pats win, that it was a good win, but it the Pats probably would have lost if the Steelers had a running game.

Not to mention the other key injuries, Ty Law - AlPro Corner etc... etc... but the Running game was the most important.

Belichek gets a free pass, 2 superbowl wins in 3 years, but he should have kept Cloud, he should have kept a backup for Dillon... Faulk is a good 3rd down back, but not an every down back.

[Triple A]

Jets

[Loose Cannon]

the jets talk to much trash... haven't really beaten anybody... the pats would beat them, just like the steelers. well they lost to the steelers but still the pats are obviously better... i mean our 3rd string long snapper was injured... only way the steelers beat us

LMAO. ... ..... .... ...

[VonErich Lives]

LMAO. ... ..... .... ...

Hey LC, wanna be my guest for Red Sox home opener?

Raising the banner and who do they play?

Your Yankess! :p

[Y2Ant]

You love George Bush and you are like 30 and you still type "your" instead of "you're". You are a giant retard.
LMFAO

[Y2Ant]

Who are the Yankess?

[Gonzo]

Baseball team.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

:| :| :| :| :|

Gonzo r u serioussssssssssssssss

[Gonzo]

Completely. :|

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL shut up, you were serious

[BabyHugger]

you're both tools. Babyhugger it's simple, Coughlin is a discipline guy, if Tiki was to go back to his fumbling past especially like last year, where it always seemed to happen in key situations he'd eventually get benched. Coughlin would not stand around and watch Tiki put the ball on the ground and/or turnover the ball in key situations.

I've never said Tiki was a bad RB, he's always been average or good, this year he's playing great, but it takes doing it more then 9 games to be a great RB.

I also stated the Ginats aren't as good as you Giant fans seem to think they are, and well, look at their record and the games they've lost. Might they still make the playoffs? Sure, half the league is 4-5 or better so everyone has a shot, but they're not some great/dominant team.

Trips - Have I watched every giants game no, but you don't have to, to know coughlins coaching history or to see barbers history. Yeah, you may know the depth chart and who the names of their special teams players, but that doesn't count for much. I'm not claming to be a football expert but you don't need to be Boomer Esiason to see the obvious. You don't need to he a football historian to know that 8-9 great games doesn't make someone a great back... go through the nfl records trips, look at the 1 or 2 year wonders, heck, just look at the Rookies of the year... John Stephens, Lenord Ruseel, both rookie of the years I think, both had great rookie years and decent 2nd years and quickly faded... plenty of players have had great years... and as I've said, you could be right, Tiki might break all the records this year and do it again next year and the year after and then I'll tip my cap to you, but till then he has to prove himself for more then 1 season.

Anyway Trips. I know yesterday must be tough when you have two teams to root for and neither one pulls off a win.

So, which are you more, if you could only root for 1 team... a Jets fan or Giants fan.

Personally, I like the Giants more, but I think the Jets have a better team.

You are a giant idiot and keep saying the same thing over nad over. Coughlin is NOT known to bench people. It took him a ton of time to make the obvious choice of starting Eli Manning. Also Giants have no backup at all. Coughlin is the kind of guy who makes sure a back doesnt fumble not the kind of guy who benches a guy for fumbling. Tiki will not have a fumbling problem anymore. It is that simple. I guarantee it. Giants aren't great this year, you are right, but Tiki is a great athlete, and he will not have a fumbling problem so it makes him a great back.

[VonErich Lives]

You are a giant idiot and keep saying the same thing over nad over.

That might be because I'm responding to Giants Idiots who keep saying the same thing over and over.

YCoughlin is NOT known to bench people. It took him a ton of time to make the obvious choice of starting Eli Manning.

You really don't know Coughlin do you... that's ok, but trust me, he's a task master not a hand holder and "a ton of time"? it's mid season and Warner lit it up for most of the first half, so I don't get where you see "a ton of time".

Tiki will not have a fumbling problem anymore. It is that simple. I guarantee it.

You could be right, I could be right, we'll know next season... difference is, I'm just making an educated opinion and I do acknowledge maybe he has worked it out for good, but you "guarantee it" not possible, but sounds nice.

Giants aren't great this year, you are right, but Tiki is a great athlete, and he will not have a fumbling problem so it makes him a great back.

huh? so if your a great athlete and you don't fumble that makes you a great back? huh? what? now your just sounding like Trips.

[Triple A]

There you go again. LOL Warner has not "lit it up" at all. He has thrown like 5 TD passes all season, and like 4 INTs. And he has gotten sacked like 40 times. The bottom line is the Giants offense hasn't been playing well the past couple of weeks with him. He has not been playing bad, but he has not been playing good at all. If the Giants won against Arizona I would say keep Warner in, but they lost. Their offense was awful. They have no passing game. It was time to give Manning a chance. He won't be any worse than Warner, so he can only be better.

And I thought I told you to shut the fuck up already about Barber. Enough out of you.

[VonErich Lives]

There you go again. LOL Warner has not "lit it up" at all. He has thrown like 5 TD passes all season, and like 4 INTs. And he has gotten sacked like 40 times. The bottom line is the Giants offense hasn't been playing well the past couple of weeks with him. He has not been playing bad, but he has not been playing good at all. If the Giants won against Arizona I would say keep Warner in, but they lost. Their offense was awful. They have no passing game. It was time to give Manning a chance. He won't be any worse than Warner, so he can only be better.

And I thought I told you to shut the fuck up already about Barber. Enough out of you.

So, your saying I have to go through the old posts later where everyone told me how good Warner was doing and he wasn't playing above his head and coughlin wouldn't bench him.

As for Tiki, and any other giant subject, I'd love to stop posting about it, when idiots like The Wiz and Babyboy stop twisting and changing what I say so I don't have to re-state and clarify once again, then I can replying to posts directed at me.

[Triple A]

Nobody is twisting anything. Maybe you are just saying stupid shit and then trying to go back on it?

Nobody was arguing about Warner you retard. The entire argument was about Tiki Barber.

[BabyHugger]

Can you please bring him to negative rep Afif. Please. You are so stupid. AN educated opinion please, your opinions are those of a child. How has Warner "lit it up." Way to be dramatic you tard. Coughlin doesnt bench peopel easily asshole it is clear to see. DO you really think by repeating he is a taskmaster changes that point. You are such a retard I hope your children get AIDS.

[VonErich Lives]

Nobody is twisting anything. Maybe you are just saying stupid shit and then trying to go back on it?

Nobody was arguing about Warner you retard. The entire argument was about Tiki Barber.

Whatever Trips...
There were multiple discussions.
Tiki
Warner
Coughlin
and the Giants wins/loss and making the playoffs.

Anyway, you're right, having to repeat myself because some people have NY blinders on is getting boring, so this is my last giant post on the subject, I'll just wait till the seasons over and they miss the playoffs to bump these.

[VonErich Lives]

Can you please bring him to negative rep Afif. Please. You are so stupid. AN educated opinion please, your opinions are those of a child. How has Warner "lit it up." Way to be dramatic you tard. Coughlin doesnt bench peopel easily asshole it is clear to see. DO you really think by repeating he is a taskmaster changes that point. You are such a retard I hope your children get AIDS.

Oh yeah, that's real mature... you disagree w/ my opinion on sports so you hope my children get Aids... what are you 12? get a life kid.

[BabyHugger]

Nah, it would just be a happy ending.

[BabyHugger]

http://www.gravett.org/pc/archives/joe%20aids.jpg

[BabyHugger]

Do you really have kids, I asumed you didnt?

[VonErich Lives]

Do you really have kids, I asumed you didnt?

moot point, your crossed a line.

I don't get that from people here... especially in this case... we're having a hypothetical sports discussion and people are flipping out like it's life and death.

We're predicting the future, there is no right and wrong till after the fact and by that point I doubt anyone will even remember the original discussion!

[Gonzo]

VEL stop being an antagonist turd.

[VonErich Lives]

VEL stop being an antagonist turd.

huh? explain this one to me...

How am I being an antagonist turd?

BH wishes my kids get a deadly disease because my opinion about his favorite team differs from him, yet I'm an antagonist turd... you're going to need to give me some examples for this one...

[Triple A]

Obviously he was being serious. :y:

[VonErich Lives]

Obviously he was being serious. :y:

Doesn't matter he crossed a line, but I'm sure you'll unban him since he's a Giants fan.

again for christ sakes... it's only sports... and it's only a hypothetical prediction where no one can actually be right or wrong until after it happens...

people around here really need to chill-out.

[BabyHugger]

Booyaka, how are the kids doing?

[The Miz]

lmao "The Wiz"

BURN

[VonErich Lives]

lmao "The Wiz"

BURN

It was better then "Go Seahawks" :p

[Gonzo]

There is discussion, and arguing. The discussion led to the latter, mostly because you insisted that your opinion should be taken as the truth. Lets leave it at that.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Yeah seriously the whole AIDS thing is pretty uncreative.

Gotta go for something creative and high brow like Triple gAy

[VonErich Lives]

There is discussion, and arguing. The discussion led to the latter, mostly because you insisted that your opinion should be taken as the truth. Lets leave it at that.

ok, so the others who insisted their opinion should be taken as truth we're ok?

uh-huh...

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah seriously the whole AIDS thing is pretty uncreative.

Gotta go for something creative and high brow like Triple gAy

Big difference and you know it.

[Gonzo]

So, what type of moves do you think we (Giants) are going to have to make in order to acquire a 1st round pick?

But seriously, fucking Giants. :mad:

[Nervous Ferret]

8-3 for the Jets

yup

[Nervous Ferret]

ha I forgot the Giants didn't have a 1st round pick. Eli is going to Ryan Leaf it.

[VonErich Lives]

They have Eli on a limited playbook and doing quick drops/release so you really can't tell how he'll be. I still think he'll be a good QB.

and the Giants are still in the playoff hunt (wow, doesn't that tell you how much the NFC sucks).

[Innovator]

Its seriously hard for Eli when he gets drilled on a 3 step drop, not even Favre can do well with a line like this.

[Nervous Ferret]

Well Eli will Ryan Leaf it or be the greatest thing since his brother. The pressure of living up to his brother is too enormous for him. I see him being succesful someplace else, away from New York.

[Gonzo]

Nah, if anything he will play here. If he doesn't do good here he won't go anywhere else and perform. He is locked up here for a while. Saying he will ever be as good as Peyton is laughable but he will be good one day.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants :(

Well, technically they are still in the Wildcard hunt, but with games against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens coming in the next 3 weeks, I'm not getting my hopes up.

I'm guessing their main focus for the rest of the year will just be to get Eli to improve.</font>

[Triple A]

The offensive line really is terrible. You could tell Eli had absolutely no confidence in them. Everytime the ball was snapped you could tell he immediately felt a shit load of pressure to get rid of the ball. It is impossible to play like that. :mad:

[Nervous Ferret]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
wich is why Eli won't suceed with the Giants

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Giant Jerseys were kinda sick from what I saw

[Triple A]

Right. I guess it is impossible to get a better offensive line anytime in the next 12 years.

[Triple A]

I dunno the red jerseys were weird. Reminded me of that movie The Little Giants. :ROLL:

They looked like practice jerseys or some shit. Giants aren't the same unless they are in blue.

[Nervous Ferret]

no its possible but competing in New York you need to win right away. It expected of you. Its gunna take 2-3 years to rebiuld that team, and when a team isn't going anywhere who gets the blame. The Quarterback. Even if its not his fault. Giants fans want to start winning right away.

[el fregadero]

I liked the red Giants' jerseys.

[Innovator]

BIG BLUE doesn't work in red

[VonErich Lives]

no its possible but competing in New York you need to win right away. It expected of you. Its gunna take 2-3 years to rebiuld that team, and when a team isn't going anywhere who gets the blame. The Quarterback. Even if its not his fault. Giants fans want to start winning right away.

Not sure of the Giants cap situation but you really can rebuild the line in one off-season w/ the right picks and signings.

Speaking of NY, Curtis is having a great year, but ya think the Jets might think ahead and look for a RB in the next draft?

[Triple A]

Hopefully they will be able to re-sign LaMont Jordan.

[VonErich Lives]

Hopefully they will be able to re-sign LaMont Jordan.

Think he can be the starting back to eventually take over for Curtis?

How is the Jets cap? I know it was all screwed up when Parcells left.

[Triple A]

They are $4 million under.

Yeah LaMont Jordan is nuts. He can be just as explosive as Martin and he is much more powerful too. It seems like everytime he gets the ball he breaks out a ten yard run.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I dunno, I kinda liked the red Giants jerseys.

Pretty sure they were doing it because they used to wear similar looking jerseys back in the 50's. But for whatever reason, all the other teams forgot to wear throwbacks or something, which is a shame because I was hoping to see those sick Chargers throwbacks (ie the best jersey ever)</font>

[VonErich Lives]

They are $4 million under.

Yeah LaMont Jordan is nuts. He can be just as explosive as Martin and he is much more powerful too. It seems like everytime he gets the ball he breaks out a ten yard run.

Cool, I'm not a Jets fan, but the rivalry is more fun when both teams are good.

[Nervous Ferret]

As far as Lamont Jordan goes, I don't see the Jets resigning him. He's a great talent but there are so many teams that will pay him more money to start right away, where as the Jets wll probably put in a decent offer, but Curtis will definitely be the man next year, and still probably be getting lots of time in 2006. I see Lamont going to the fish. But as for Curtis' replacement....







Maurice Clarett :shifty:

[OssMan]

fjsdoji FINALLY GETTING TO SEE A GIANTS GAME TODAY

and against the Redskins :cool:

also I have Lamont Jordan on my fantasy team but I don't know if I should start him. I also have Bettis (don't know if I should use him either :mad: ), Brian Westbrook, and Willis Mcgahee.

[Nervous Ferret]

fjsdoji FINALLY GETTING TO SEE A GIANTS GAME TODAY

and against the Redskins :cool:

also I have Lamont Jordan on my fantasy team but I don't know if I should start him. I also have Bettis (don't know if I should use him either :mad: ), Brian Westbrook, and Willis Mcgahee.are you dumb??? start mcgahee you dipshit. Why would you start Jordan?

[OssMan]

well I have McGahee and Brian Westbrook starting now but I have an extra spot to fill. also I have Derrick Blaylock. so it is really between Bettis, Blaylock, and Jordan.

[Nervous Ferret]

well I have McGahee and Brian Westbrook starting now but I have an extra spot to fill. also I have Derrick Blaylock. so it is really between Bettis, Blaylock, and Jordan. ok then, keep it how it is.

[OssMan]

what

I don't know who to put in the extra spot. Bettis, Blaylock, or Jordan.

[The Outlaw]

Bettis will get you TD's

Blaylock will be splitting time with Johnson but he will still get his

[Nervous Ferret]

lolz at assman going to the giants game and their losin to the skins'.

jets btw. 9-3.

[BCWWF]

How pissed would you be if you had to see the Giants/Skins instead of the Eagles/Packers

[Nervous Ferret]

How pissed would you be if you had to see the Giants/Skins instead of the Eagles/Packers That would suck. lol. Giants are giving up in the middle of the year, just like last year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow I am surprised I actually get a good game this week and don't have to watch the shitty Giants game

FINALLY

[Nervous Ferret]

Wow I am surprised I actually get a good game this week and don't have to watch the shitty Giants game

FINALLYI have NFL sunday ticket for directv, so I get all the games to myself.

Muhhahhahaaaha :shifty:

[OssMan]

Nervous Ferret wtf, I never said I was going to the game. I am just happy that I finally get to see the Giants, cause this is the third game they have shown of them.

I hate the Redskins though. fsdfdsids it is like they are running a different type of play every time and using people who are not expected to do anything. also the Giants are missing three defensive linemen, one offensive lineman, and their kick returner. there are more I think.

[Nervous Ferret]

Nervous Ferret wtf, I never said I was going to the game. I am just happy that I finally get to see the Giants, cause this is the third game they have shown of them.

I hate the Redskins though. fsdfdsids it is like they are running a different type of play every time and using people who are not expected to do anything. also the Giants are missing three defensive linemen, one offensive lineman, and their kick returner. there are more I think. I misunderstood when you said " I finally see the game". I'm just east-coast biased and assume that everyone lives in nj or ny amd sees jets and giants and eagles no matter what.

[Nervous Ferret]

Nervous Ferret wtf, I never said I was going to the game. I am just happy that I finally get to see the Giants, cause this is the third game they have shown of them.

I hate the Redskins though. fsdfdsids it is like they are running a different type of play every time and using people who are not expected to do anything. also the Giants are missing three defensive linemen, one offensive lineman, and their kick returner. there are more I think. Assman, the Giants are bad, and quit about 4 games ago.

[BCWWF]

Yeah, right after beating the Vikings :mad:

[Nervous Ferret]

Bears, Cardinals, Vikings, Eagles and now prolly the Redskins. :nono:

[Triple A]

Wow the Giants really are terrible.

:love: Pennington

[Nervous Ferret]

Wow the Giants really are terrible.

:love: Pennington click on the link in my sig. :love:

[Loose Cannon]

get away from my team.

[Nervous Ferret]

get away from my team. Get away from my unmentionables.

[Nervous Ferret]

Who saw Penny point for the 1st down after he ran for it. Worst black man celebration imitation ever. I laughed.

[Triple A]

Why the hell does Eli Manning keep saying "OMAHA, OMAHA" or whatever the fuck. Makes me want to hate him.

[Triple A]

Damn, Tiki just fumbled. :ROLL:

[Innovator]

Thank you god I can't watch the game

[VonErich Lives]

Wow the Giants really are terrible.

That's almost sig worthy...
:p

Damn, Tiki just fumbled. :ROLL:

*waits for someone to claim (and be wrong) I said Tiki would be benched the first time he fumbled...*

*Waits for that same person to forget when everyone was jerking off over the Giants I calmly said the season was early and they're not that good*

[VonErich Lives]

Why the hell does Eli Manning keep saying "OMAHA, OMAHA" or whatever the fuck. Makes me want to hate him.

Maybe he's trying to work in an endorsement contract.

"Hey, Y'all I'm Eli Manning, and when I'm trying to forget about getting my butt kicked I sit down (on a bag of ice) and grill an Omaha Steak"

Heh, and he didn't want to go to SD cause they sucked...

LMFAO...

[BCWWF]

Damnit, VEL did say that the Giants were going to collapse, and I was on his ass for it :oops:

[The Miz]

LMFAO...
At least somebody laughed

[The Outlaw]

At least somebody laughed
Pipe it The Wiz

[Y2Ant]

Why the hell does Eli Manning keep saying "OMAHA, OMAHA" or whatever the fuck. Makes me want to hate him.
Peyton shouts that too, aswell as something else, I forget now :o

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

When is he saying OMAHA though? Like is it an Audible or what

I still haven't seen Eli play. Now that I actually kinda wanna see a Giants game they aren't showing them up here anymore :ROLL:

[Innovator]

Omaha probablys means outside linebackers or something like that

[Triple A]

He says Omaha like 80% of the plays. OMAHA, OMAHA, HUT HUT

[VonErich Lives]

At least somebody laughed

I'm pretty sure SD may laugh all the way to the playoffs.

Oh yeah, weren't you one of the ones having a hissy fit that I didn't know what I was talking about when I predicted a Giant collapse...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That being said, the Giants still have a shot at the 3rd wildcard slot, what will make it tough is in a tie breaker they're 4-7 in the NFC and 2-3 in their Division, they can be 3-3 if they beat the Cowboys, which I would have said should be an easy win for the Giants, but after today who knows.

I just hope a couple of NFC teams get on win streaks, I'd hate to see a 7-9 team make the playoffs.

[VonErich Lives]

He says Omaha like 80% of the plays. OMAHA, OMAHA, HUT HUT

80%, probably not an audible then, probably some checkoff or something.

I still think he really wants a steak.... probably a wooden one that he can jab through his fathers eye for not letting him go to SD!

[Triple A]

I'm pretty sure SD may laugh all the way to the playoffs.

Oh yeah, weren't you one of the ones having a hissy fit that I didn't know what I was talking about when I predicted a Giant collapse...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That being said, the Giants still have a shot at the 3rd wildcard slot
There are only two wild card teams.

[VonErich Lives]

There are only two wild card teams.

oh yeah, 4 division... *dopeslap self* ok, now I'm awake.

The Giants still have a shot at the 2nd WC slot. They key is Minnesota, who the Giants beat this year which I think gives them the tie breaker (I can't remember on the WC if it goes head to head or confrence record first).

Wait, Trips... another poster who ripped me for my Giant prediction...

Last 4 games, (not in order) Balt, Pitt, Cinc, Dallas.

Still wouldn't shock me to see them make the playoffs.

[Triple A]

Yeah I don't really care anymore. Can't stand watching them.

The Jets are lovely and that is fine with me.

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah I don't really care anymore. Can't stand watching them.

The Jets are lovely and that is fine with me.

Come'on... just say I was right, once... :p

Can't wait for the Pats v. Jets game.

Jets are hot and w/ pennington back, going to be a real tough game.
Hopefully the Jets can help the Pats out w/ a win next week.

[Triple A]

Should have beat the Pats the first time they played.

[VonErich Lives]

Should have beat the Pats the first time they played.

should = could.

could = didn't.

but as I've said all along, it's being undefeated in the playoffs that really matters.

[BCWWF]

All the analysts were giving the Jets the boot because they have a hard schedule from here on out, but deep inside I was disagreeing because of my TPWW roots. Its going to be the Ravens who miss out.

[Loose Cannon]

Jets need at least 1 out of the four wins. Usually a 10-6 team can make it. Pitt and NE are going to be hell. I think we can pull a win out of Seattle.

[Loose Cannon]

Christ, just glanced at the NFC. They are fricken terrible. What's going on? Teams are like 5-7 and have a good shot at making the playoffs.

[Triple A]

I think the Jets could win all four games. Seattle and St. Louis, they can definitely win. Pittsburgh, I think they can pull out a win. Pitt's offense isn't that great. It could be a hot defensive struggle and the Jets could come out ahead. And the Pats, the Jets could definitely beat, I think. It's at home for the Jets. They are almost unstoppable at home.

[Nervous Ferret]

Actually the key to the NFC is the Lambs...err i mean Rams.
If the lammies do what they should the should go at least 9-7 wich will be respectable for the NFC.

As for the Jets 1 out of the last 4 should get them in, but 2 definitely will. Fuck, they could lose all 4 and still make the playooffs. But then you think: Does a team that loses its last 4 games even deserve to be in the playoffs?

[Nervous Ferret]

yea, also they could win all 4. Jets are a very dangerous team when they want to be. Of course when they don't:....

[Nervous Ferret]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/frontpage/content/1755penningtoncactioniv.jpg
heres pennington pointing for the 1st down I mentioned before. I'm looking for a better picture.