The official MLB offseason thread!

[VonErich Lives]

Let's start the rumors...

big unit, small brain to the yanks?

Pedro to the dodgers?

Clemens to the?

Beltran?

Lowe? (only guy to win all 3 clinching games... ALDS, ALCS, WS)

Teck?

the list goes on...

[ct2k]

Boston will get Lowe back next year i think.

Beltran...Who knows. Everyone's gonna want a piece.

[Loose Cannon]

Beltran: Yanks. That's the one I'm pretty sure about because when it comes down to it, only like 4 teams can probably afford him.

[Loose Cannon]

BUT....The Yanks need pitching, so they might just skip him and get 2 solid starters.

[The Outlaw]

Expect the Braves to turn over at least a third of their roster in the offseason, just as they do every year. Key free agents are RF J.D. Drew, RHP Jaret Wright and RHP Russ Ortiz.

[Champion of Europa]

I really want Lowe to stay with the Sox. He's a great pitcher.

Pedro, I could care less aboot.

Varitek, I hope to God stays.

[BabyHugger]

I think Yankees will spend a ton of money on Beltran and screw themselves over.

[John la Rock]

I heard rumors that Pedro might reuinte with Felipe Alou and become the Giants closer

[BCWWF]

VEL, remember when we both made the same topic and we got in a huge battle? Thats all overwith now right?

[VonErich Lives]

VEL, remember when we both made the same topic and we got in a huge battle? Thats all overwith now right?

Actually, it wasn't a huge battle, it was just you getting pissy because I posted a major story outside of your thread and yes, I did this to discuss the offseason and to poke you w/ the taunting stick :p

(actually, I couldn't remember who the poster was, but I knew they would be anal enough to bring it up!) :p

[VonErich Lives]

yeah, Pedro's a 5-7IP pitcher, but I can see him taking a home town discount if the sox want him and Pedro's 5-7 is better then most.

I think Lowe's going to get a ton of money and Borus will make sure of it, I don't see the sox going for him.

Tek they'll go after, but it depends on how much he wants or can get... I don't see the sox breaking the bank for him... I would love to see him stay, but I don't think they'll make him one of the top 10 paid players in the league.

OC I think wants to stay and so does Pokey.

I agree, Beltran is a perfect fit for NY to replace Bernie and Bernie can still hit, so could go to DH and save his knees.

Pavano is the real wild card...

There's also Clemens, does the 'Backs try and move the big dumb unit (he wanted to go to ny). I think Wells may also be a FA...

[Apprentice]

Some other big free agents are Nomar, Beltre, Delgado, Sexson, Ordonez, Odalis Perez and Armando Benitez. Peter Gammons said that the Cardinals are going after Randy Johnson, but I don't think Arizona is going to part with him, especially if they re-sign Sexson. I see Nomar not getting any deals cuz he really had bad luck getting injured and playing poorly for his standards in his contract year. So perhaps a 1 year deal in Anaheim or Chicago. Beltre is most likely going to stay with the Dodgers. Delgado is definitely gone from Toronto. New York could be a place for him, but the Yanks are already pretty loaded with lefty 1st basemen if Olerud stays around. Ordonez is the forgotten man. He's a huge hitter and can be like the Vlad Guerrero of last year as Beltran is to Sheffield. Everyone is going after Beltran but Ordonez could make even a bigger impact.

[FakeLaser]

All of them to the Yankees.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

today the Cubs said they wont resign Moises Alou

Astros won't pick up Jeff Kent's option. They want him to come back for less.

[John la Rock]

As much as I would love to see Carlos stay with the Jays he won't :(

I can see Delgado going to the Braves. They can afford his salary and he's a huge upgrade over Laroche

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm still anxiously waiting to find out who the new Mets manager for next season is gonna be. Apparently the announcement will likely be next week sometime.</font>

[The Outlaw]

As much as I would love to see Carlos stay with the Jays he won't :(

I can see Delgado going to the Braves. They can afford his salary and he's a huge upgrade over Laroche
Keep him. ;)

[VonErich Lives]

Mueller wasn't a free agent, sox had an option for 2.1mil, they picked it up.

Nomars saying he only wants a 1yr deal so he can prove he can stay healthy, smart move on his part.

[YOUR Hero]

Delgado to LA

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Here's the way I see things panning out with the Red Sox:

<b><u>Probably Returnees</u></b>

Jason Varitek: No brainer here. One of, if not the best catcher in the game.

Doug Mirabelli: He's the one that always has to catch for Wakefield and he swings a good bat coming off the bench. One of the better back-up catchers in the league.

Bill Mueller: Team option likely to be excercised. If Bellhorn isn't back, there's always a possibility that he'll end up filling in at 2B to make room for Kevin Youkilis at 3B.

Alan Embree: Team option, and Francona's preferred lefty out of the bullpen.

Mike Timlin: Team option and stalwart of Boston's middle-reliever corps. He'll likely be back.

Scott Williamson: Tremendous ability, so he'll likely be re-signed. Although, he likely won't get to play again until 2006 as he's still recovering from elbow surgery.

Orlando Cabrera: No premium shortstops on the market, and he might be willing to sign a below-market deal.


<b><u>Probable Goners</u></b>

Derek Lowe: Added millions to his price tag with his performances in the post-season. But remember, that doesn't change the fact that he played poorly during the regular season. He'll likely go to a team that really needs the starting pitching.

Ramiro Mendoza: Meh. I'm certain he'll go take his act elsewhere.

Pokey Reese: Highly replaceable, and he didn't really contribute much.

Curtis Leskanic: Health issues and ineffectiveness. Career could be over.


<b><u>Undecided</u></b>

Pedro Martinez: Extremely pricy, but still an awesome pitcher. It's a toss-up here.

Mark Bellhorn: Good hitter for position, but he has his defensive shortcomings. Also, his post-season performance will likely drive his price way up.

Gabe Kapler: Eh, he's good against lefties and can play all threee outfield positions. 50/50 chance here.

Mike Myers: Limited utility, but is skilled at his core job, which is one-batter outings against left-handed hitters.</font>

[VonErich Lives]

Dunno, the more I think about it, the more I think Tek is gone.

Tek's 32, Borus his agent is probably going to want a 5yr deal for huge bucks.

that would make him 37... don't see the sox doing that... especially w/ a great catching prospect in the minors.

If Tek's willing to take a 3yr deal, maybe a club option 4th, I could see it... but I bet someone else is willing to pay more...

Part of it will come down to Tek taking a hometown discount.

on the others.

Doug Mirabelli: Depends, his age/skill someone might offer him a start catcher position, and the pay... can't see him passing that up, also if they spend big bucks on Tek, expect them to bring up that prospect to catch behined him and learn.

Bill Mueller: Team already picked it up.

Alan Embree: Don't see him listed as a Free agent.

Mike Timlin: is not a free agent or an option, if he had one it was long ago picked up. (according to the espn list, he's not listed and they list players w/ options).

Scott Williamson: He's gone, he wants to close, he wont here.

Orlando Cabrera: Word is he likes it here, liked manny and ortiz, but he could fetch top dollar, don't see the sox breaking the bank for him, when there are a few SS prospects in his talent range... I think the sox will want him back, but there's only so much money to go around.


Derek Lowe: Such a tough call, w/ his age and all... but he also has Borus, I think he gets the deal of his life and goes for the highest bidder.

Ramiro Mendoza: Don't see him getting top dollar and pithced well down the stretch when needed... could stay around for low money.

Pokey Reese: Did you call pokey Highly replaceable? Anyway... he'll be back, unless he wants the money in NY. He's great defensively and the sox proved you need that. He had wanted to play here for years, and wouldn't be shocked to see him take a home town discount to stay. That being said, word is George wants him to backup on the Yanks and will pay him.

Curtis Leskanic: Yeah, he's probably done for a year for surgery.

Pedro Martinez: 100pitch pitcher, I can see him staying here... but I could also see him taking top dollar in a less press area like Anehiem.

Mark Bellhorn: Don't see him listed either

Gabe Kapler: See Mirabelli, if he takes backup pay, he stays, if he wants to start and someone will give him the option, he's gone.

Mike Myers: I can't see the sox going nuts for setup guys they can pickup before the trade deadline.

Few others you didn't have.

Terry adams - see setup guys
Pedro Astacio - see setup guys
Ellis Burks - Retires.
Rickey Gutierrez - not a big factor, could depends on reese and OC.
Dave McCarty - Sorry, nice having an emergency pitcher, but we don't need 4 1st baseman.

[VonErich Lives]

Already talk that Barry Larkin wants to come to Boston cheap as a backup.

not a bad guy to have on the bench, his better days are behined him, but could will in 2nd or SS and good clubhouse guy.

[ct2k]

Larkin would be a great pickup in the clubhouse sense, he's seen it all pretty much.

I really hope the Yankees go after some pitching. For me Mussina, Lieber and i guess El Duque are the only solid starters they have right now. Brown was very hit and miss after coming back, Vazquez had a fantastic first half but just seemed to lose it Mulder-style second half.

I saw Carl Pavano mentioned...He'd be an absolute gem of a pick-up if he's free.

[VonErich Lives]

Larkin would be a great pickup in the clubhouse sense, he's seen it all pretty much.

I really hope the Yankees go after some pitching. For me Mussina, Lieber and i guess El Duque are the only solid starters they have right now. Brown was very hit and miss after coming back, Vazquez had a fantastic first half but just seemed to lose it Mulder-style second half.

I saw Carl Pavano mentioned...He'd be an absolute gem of a pick-up if he's free.

He is, original thoughts is he ends up in NY or Boston.

He's from Connecicut, both teams know how valuable pitching is and have the money to spend. Last year, the yanks seemed to forget the pitching and went after the hitting... if they do that again, I could see Pavano coming here.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I dunno about Carl Pavano. No doubt he had a CY Young-quality season, but it should also be noted that this was the first good year he's had. Any team picking him up could be taking a big risk, IMO.</font>

[el fregadero]

As much as I would love to see Carlos stay with the Jays he won't :(

I can see Delgado going to the Braves. They can afford his salary and he's a huge upgrade over Laroche
LaRoche will be huge next year.

[The Miz]

I dunno about Carl Pavano. No doubt he had a CY Young-quality season, but it should also be noted that this was the first good year he's had. Any team picking him up could be taking a big risk, IMO.
Pavano has been consistent since the 2nd half of '03, including the notable dominance of the Yankees in Game 4 of the WS. I don't think he's much of a risk.

[Evil Vito]

Pavano has been consistent since the 2nd half of '03, including the notable dominance of the Yankees in Game 4 of the WS. I don't think he's much of a risk.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, but still ya never know.

Ah well, he'd still be a more than welcome addition to the Mets should they decide to not pick up Al Leiter's option.</font> :yes:

[BCWWF]

Randy Johnson is of course going to leave the Diamondbacks, as this is probably his last season and the D-Backs know it is just a disgrace to his talent to keep him. For the same reason the Yankee's couldn't get him at the deadline, they won't get him this summer. He will be going to the Cards because they are returning the heart of their lineup (losing Renteria, Womack, and Matheny most likely), keeping Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, and Walker. They are going to be a World Series contender again next year, he wants to go to a contender, and the D-Backs wan't prospects.

I could see the Cards putting a bid on Cristian Guzman, he would fit into their speedy lineup quite well. If they do, the Twins are messed up.

[VonErich Lives]

Randy Johnson is of course going to leave the Diamondbacks, as this is probably his last season and the D-Backs know it is just a disgrace to his talent to keep him. For the same reason the Yankee's couldn't get him at the deadline, they won't get him this summer. He will be going to the Cards because they are returning the heart of their lineup (losing Renteria, Womack, and Matheny most likely), keeping Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, and Walker. They are going to be a World Series contender again next year, he wants to go to a contender, and the D-Backs wan't prospects.

I could see the Cards putting a bid on Cristian Guzman, he would fit into their speedy lineup quite well. If they do, the Twins are messed up.

I doubt he goes anywhere till the trading deadline, I think he waits to see who is still in contention then, rather then risk an early move.

[DaveWadding]

Randy Johnson is of course going to leave the Diamondbacks, as this is probably his last season and the D-Backs know it is just a disgrace to his talent to keep him. For the same reason the Yankee's couldn't get him at the deadline, they won't get him this summer. He will be going to the Cards because they are returning the heart of their lineup (losing Renteria, Womack, and Matheny most likely), keeping Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, and Walker. They are going to be a World Series contender again next year, he wants to go to a contender, and the D-Backs wan't prospects.


Which, from MY understanding, the Cardinals don't really HAVE any prospects.

[BCWWF]

Well according to Peter Gammons they have the pitching in the minors to trade and the Yankee's already proved last fall that they don't have the prospects to do it. The Cards have a real good pitching prospect, but I don't know if they'd give him up. They have a lot more coming up than the Yankees.

[BJbmxXx]

Twins... all the way next year... Santana is the man!

[DaveWadding]

Chros, stick to the one name. :p

[BCWWF]

Lol, that guys the man. I only have that one other name though.

[DaveWadding]

He even advertises for efeds like you.

[BCWWF]

He knows whatsup

[DaveWadding]

yeah, if this were 1998.

[Apprentice]

La Times reports a rumor of Shawn Green for Sammy Sosa... As a Dodger fan, I don't really care, but I'd prefer to keep Green. Both are over the hill sluggers, but at least Shawn is a better fielder.

[DegenerationY]

Sammy Sosa is awful now. And he seems to get more and more egotistical as his career drags on/down.

Not sure I understand that.

[DaveWadding]

I hate the Dodgers. I'd cry if Sammy ever donned Dodger blue.

[BJbmxXx]

Sosa should hang up the corked bat. JK... Sammy has had a good run... but i think his years are numbered.

Is Randy Johnson looking for another trade this year?

[BCWWF]

1. I like your avatar

2. According to Gammons Sosa could be headed to the Mets or the Dodgers I think, in a deal involving Shawn Greene if I am not mistaken.

3. Also according to Gammons, Randy wants to be traded asap, but if he is not by the season he will play it out and resign next year. He apparantly thinks he can still go for another four or so years.

4. I believe theres an offseason topic somewhere?

[VonErich Lives]

4. I believe theres an offseason topic somewhere?

There should be, why don't you start one? :p

I don't see Johnson going anywhere but NYY.

He didn't want to come to the Sox last season, if he changes his mind, there's talk the sox could go after him if they let Pedro and Lowe walk as a short term 1yr fix till they get a younger pitcher.

I think the real question again will be,

1) Will the Backs deal w/ the Yanks

2) Do the Yanks have any prospects to deal?

[Excellance of Execution]

There should be, why don't you start one? :p

I don't see Johnson going anywhere but NYY.

He didn't want to come to the Sox last season, if he changes his mind, there's talk the sox could go after him if they let Pedro and Lowe walk as a short term 1yr fix till they get a younger pitcher.

I think the real question again will be,

1) Will the Backs deal w/ the Yanks

2) Do the Yanks have any prospects to deal?
Rumor's are the Yanks trading Posada for Randy. The Yanks have a halfway decent catcher in the minor's ( i forget his name). I think the Yanks should pull the trigger on that trade. Posada is good, don't get me wrong, but his number's are gradually starting to go down. IMO a catcher is probably one of the easiest positions to replace, and a left-handed starter is hard to come by, and Randy Johnson still has some year's left in the tank.

[BCWWF]

I still see Randy pitching in the red and white St. Louis Cardinals uniforms next season. The heart of their amazing offense is still intact and they have the prospects to deal.

[VonErich Lives]

I still see Randy pitching in the red and white St. Louis Cardinals uniforms next season. The heart of their amazing offense is still intact and they have the prospects to deal.

I dunno, watching this offseason, they remind me of the Pirates when they had Bonds, Bonilla, Van Slyke. Get to the playoffs and the bats go silent.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Already talk that Barry Larkin wants to come to Boston cheap as a backup.

not a bad guy to have on the bench, his better days are behined him, but could will in 2nd or SS and good clubhouse guy.
Are there any numbers being talked about yet? I know he made 700,000 last year and I can't see anybody signing him for that much. He'd be a nice pickup though.

[VonErich Lives]

Are there any numbers being talked about yet? I know he made 700,000 last year and I can't see anybody signing him for that much. He'd be a nice pickup though.

Haven't heard, at this point everything's a rumor...

ESPN keeps a list of free agents and possible teams, for Nomar all they have his the Cubs...

heh... poor nomie... guess Mia better go back to work!

[BCWWF]

The fact remains that the Yankee's have little to nothing that the Diamondbacks would want. Why would the D-Backs ever trade Randy Johnson for Jorje Posada? It makes no sense. The D-Backs are a young team now, they want young talent, not old washed up Yankee.

[VonErich Lives]

Was just reading theres talk of Oakland dealing one of the big 3, peferable Zito and the Sox are in the mix, plus they're talking to Pavano, may talk to Radke, but everyone thinks he'll stay in minnesota.

Also the sox offered Pedro 2 yrs 25mil/yr w/ a 3rd option (I assume the sox) for 13mil and 2mil in bonuses... so it could be 40mil over 3yrs.

I wouldn't be suprise to see Pedro take it... while the thought is he wants a 3-5year deal... I could see him wanting to be around 2 yrs (schil has 2yrs on his deal I think) and try and win another and then go spend the rest of his life under a forrest of mango trees.

[BCWWF]

The talk in the Minnesota newspapers is that Radke wants to come back and pretty much will. The other rumor for him was Tampa Bay, only because he lives there in the offseason :yawn: I don't know, Radke has been a real solid pitcher for the Twins in his career, if he finishes his season there his # will for sure get retired, but he just doesn't seem to have big games in him. I hope the Twins can sign somebody good for a #2 starter and then have Radke be the third.

[BCWWF]

I don't remember which thread it was in, but I was saying that the Yankee's didn't have the same feel that they did when they were good...now somebody speaks my language.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/041109

[Loose Cannon]

Martinez :love:

[BCWWF]

That'd be the day though. Weren't people in New York counting the days until he left?

[VonErich Lives]

Martinez :love:

I've heard a few talks that the Yanks may actually have a budget this year.

I know I heard Stienbrenner in an interview last season say, he'd go into the 220mil range.

However, because they keep going over the cap, their luxury tax next year (assuming they're over again) is 40%, that means they're spending $1.40 for every $1.00.

That and w/ Arod, Jeter, Giambi and I think Bernie, they have 4 players who will take up (or maybe next year) around 100mil.

They were saying the Yanks have no one in the farm system to trade, they would like to deal Porsada, because they will live w/o his bat and at his age/innings caught, he probably is going to hit his downside soon.

Borus was on the radio yesterday (maybe day before) said Teck has kids and wants security and wants 5yrs and a no-trade to stay w/ the Sox. The radio guys asked him "do you really expect to get a no-trade clause when the Sox don't give those" (The only one who has close is Manny, but his says his no-trade only kicks in, if someone else gets a no-trade... I think Trot may have the same deal).

Borus went on to say how Henry was an owner when Johnson got a no-trade deal (and he left out johnson went bust)... (someone correct me, that catcher in Florida, johnson doesn't sound right, let me know if I have he name wrong).

How Warner was in SD when they gave one to Gwynn and Lucchino gave one in Baltimore (I forget to who, but it was a bust).

Anyway, I don't see the sox giving a no-trade clause to anyone, and I don't see them giving 5yrs to a early 30's catcher... Don't get me wrong, I like Teck, calls a great game, good defense, silently leads the team... but that's too much... I can see a 3yr w/ a 4th option, or maybe a 4th option based on playing time and a club option 5th.... but I doubt a 5yr gaurenteed.

[VonErich Lives]

So, here's a flash back... Think the Sox would have won the WS if they had signed these guys before the season so they weren't free agents?

Teck, Pedro, Lowe, Nomar...

I think it worked out.. Lowe had a bad year and a great playoffs.

Nomar got you 2 keys to win the WS.

(the sox had offered Nomar and Lowe contracts they turned down).

Teck, I don't think it mattered much, but his value did go up, for defense and calling the pitches for this staff.

Pedro, I think it motivated him, no long DL stint and most IP's in a few years (possible career).

What other teams did the right and wrong thing on free agents?

[BCWWF]

Its hard to say the Twins did the right thing with Guardado and Hawkins (who both left simply for more money, but blamed it on timing of negotiations) but obviously the front office knew their stuff. Nathan was one of the top closers in the league, Rincon and Romero were real good setting up for most of the year, and Jesse Crain and Grant Balfour came up and got the job done. So basically, the Twins kept their payroll, still made the playoffs, and the other guys got their money.

[DaveWadding]

So, the 1st FA signed a deal today. Omar Vizquel to the Giants for 3 yr/$12.25 mil.

[YOUR Hero]

More baserunners for Bonds.

[The Miz]

More importantly, a real shortstop for the Giants

[BCWWF]

Good, I'm glad he didn't sign with the White Sox

[VonErich Lives]

So, Pavano is going w/ Theo to Curts house to "talk"...

[VonErich Lives]

a few others... (these are from radio or papers).

Their's a Reports that Pedro was picked up at the tampa airport by a NYY exec and is having lunch w/ George today.

talk that the NYY have offered Vazquez for Randy Johnson.

[DaveWadding]

it better be Vazquez and that kid Navarro.

[BCWWF]

Cristian Guzman signs with the Expos :'(

[Yashamaga]

Castilla signed in Washington :eek:

There goes his offensive production

[VonErich Lives]

radio reports "Angels top off-season priority is Red Sox catcher Jason Variteck"

[BCWWF]

Well it was pretty apparant that last year was going to be <i>the</i> year for the Red Sox, and it was. Now they have like 20 free agents and are going to have to start over. Enjoy last season, I don't want to think about next season :shudders:

[Loose Cannon]

Wow, Washington made some good pickups. They need a superstar in that city though to draw fans.

[BCWWF]

What color are they going to be? I hope they aren't teal or some pussy shit. Washington DC needs to be something badass like brown or gold.

[Loose Cannon]

Well, they can go back to the old Senators Uniforms and do Black and White. Black jersey, with a White "W"

Hey what color represents liers. Cause you have a lot of liers in Washington.

[BCWWF]

Brown, as in shit?

[Loose Cannon]

You know it's funny. The St Louis Browns were like the worst team ever, (Senators could be argued) but they had the coolest logo ever. Go figure.

[samichna]

Go Expos

[VonErich Lives]

So, Pedro met w/ George and the Sox gave a contract offer to Damian Miller, They wont say the details but sounds like the Sox offered 2yrs and Miller wants 3.

If the Sox are going to lose Teck, I'll take Miller for 2 years, great defense, decent hitter, I wonder what influence Schill might have.

[The Miz]

Damian Miller will not play 2 more years

[VonErich Lives]

Damian Miller will not play 2 more years

Well, the Sox offered him a 2yr deal and he wants a 3yr deal.

He's only (I think) 3yrs older then Tek who wants a 5yr deal.

I haven't really followed Miller, but his defensive stats are great and his offense is "ok"... Are his knees really bad that you don't think he'll last 2yrs?

What will keep Tek from coming back to the Sox is if he pushes for a no trade clause, the sox will never do it.

[The Miz]

Tigers signed Troy Percival

[BCWWF]

I think the Twins are going to have to be even luckier than last year now with all of these signing problems.

[John la Rock]

Tigers signed Troy Percival

fucked up shit. I thought for sure he'd stay in Anaheim

[House of Pancakes]

Yeah. I guess when the team publicly announces that they want Francisco Rodriguez, the best non-closer relief pitcher in the game and only 22 years old, to close, and that they probably weren't going to re-sign Percival, it really makes you think why he went somewhere else.

[BCWWF]

Percy has always been lights out against the Twins too :eek:

[Jerichoholic]

If you are going to lose Varitek, why not just start Mirabelli?

[The Miz]

Whoa

Anaheim gets:
Juan Rivera OF
minor leaguer

Washington gets:
Jose Guillen OF

DAMN. I am liking this Expos team

[Loose Cannon]

They're doing exactly what they need to do right now. They need to build a contender right away. They are competing with the Orioles within that state and drawing fans is going to be a problem if they don't win. They realized the Orioles were last in the East last year and they seem to be making good moves. Like I said before though, they need someone whom they can market to the fans. They need someone whom the fans can put a face to the organization. They Need.......SAMMY SOSA. haha, nah, but they do need a recognizable name.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If you are going to lose Varitek, why not just start Mirabelli?Hes a FA too, plus they probably don't think Mirabelli would be a capable everyday catcher. I think they would rather pick up Miller or resign Tek and then re-sign Mirabelli as a backup. Atleast thats what I saw in the paper the other day.

I don't know, I don't see Veritek leaving but you never know. He wants a no trade clause, team policy for the Sox is no no trade clauses in contracts so we'll see. It would be wierd to see him playing for a different team though. I really don't understand why he'd want to leave Boston anyways, I don't think he'd be as good as a fit anywhere else. I think he might just be shopping around other teams for the Sox to give him more money, atleast thats what I hope he is doing. I don't want to him to sign elsewhere.

[ct2k]

I hope Varitek doesn't leave Boston, just so A-Rod can cap his ass next year *ahem*

[VonErich Lives]

Hes a FA too, plus they probably don't think Mirabelli would be a capable everyday catcher. I think they would rather pick up Miller or resign Tek and then re-sign Mirabelli as a backup. Atleast thats what I saw in the paper the other day.

I don't know, I don't see Veritek leaving but you never know. He wants a no trade clause, team policy for the Sox is no no trade clauses in contracts so we'll see. It would be wierd to see him playing for a different team though. I really don't understand why he'd want to leave Boston anyways, I don't think he'd be as good as a fit anywhere else. I think he might just be shopping around other teams for the Sox to give him more money, atleast thats what I hope he is doing. I don't want to him to sign elsewhere.

Everything still seems to point to the no trade clause, Tek's statments about "what's best for my family" yeah, cause people never move and kids never change schools... :roll: He's reading statements out of the Scott Borus school of public relations and nothing else.

The word I last heard on Mirabeli is a few teams do want him as a possible stater of DH, he's good defensively (not great) can catch Wakefield which is difficult and has a good bat, possible better then Tek's, but the last talk I heard was Mirabeli would rather stay here as Tek's backup for less money then go elsewhere... but I'm sure if he's looking at 1mil vs. 3mil it makes a difference.

[The Miz]

Pittsburgh gets:
Arthur Rhodes RP
Mark Redman SP

Oakland gets:
Jason Kendall C

Great deal for the A's IMO, Kendall is an "A's type" player. Rhodes and Redman were huge dissapointments last year.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I definately like that deal for the A's aswell, and its not like Pittsburgh is getting a bad deal either

[MVP]

I'm really hoping the Yankess don't get Martinez and Randy. Beltran doesn't bother me as much cause he's not gonna make a significant impact, but Randy is a big step up even if they trade Vasquez for him, and Martinez had a .362 last year, highest in the league for 1st basemen I think.

[John la Rock]

on the TSN website it says that the Seattle Mariners are interested in Carlos Delgado as their # 3 hitter

[BCWWF]

MVP are you talking Tino Martinez? I saw his name mentioned on a Page 2 thing, is there real possibility of him returning?

[VonErich Lives]

Martinez had lunch or dinner w/ Arod last week.

Sox signed Mirabeli...

[BCWWF]

Pedro Martinez did, yes, but MVP was hinting at Tino wasn't he? He was saying something about OPS for firstbasemen?

[VonErich Lives]

Pedro Martinez did, yes, but MVP was hinting at Tino wasn't he? He was saying something about OPS for firstbasemen?

Dunno, been away a few days so was just adding the pedro news, not in refrence to the previous post.

Also, today they said Pedro met w/ the Mets GM in the dominican.

The sticking point w/ Pedro seems to be a gaurenteed 3rd year.

[BCWWF]

I dunno, for some reason I really think Pedro is just playing with the Yankees, and kind of vise versa. We know the Yankees really want Randy J, and it seems unlikely to obtain probably the two best pitchers overall in the past five or six years at the same time. I think if they were going to go for one, it would be Randy, and they are just hoping Pedro is still around.

[VonErich Lives]

I dunno, for some reason I really think Pedro is just playing with the Yankees, and kind of vise versa. We know the Yankees really want Randy J, and it seems unlikely to obtain probably the two best pitchers overall in the past five or six years at the same time. I think if they were going to go for one, it would be Randy, and they are just hoping Pedro is still around.

I don't think the Yankees forgot a few year (4-5?) when the Sox got in the Bernie biddings and caused his price to sky rocket, some people claim Bernie almost came to Boston, others claim he just used the sox to get what he wanted from the Yankees.

I do think the Mets are serious, people don't think Pedro would go to NY because of the media, but ya know what? He delt w/ the media in Boston and for 3 more years of big bucks, plus being back in the NL which is weaker hitting, that wouldn't shock me.

[VonErich Lives]

Interesting on Teck, he becomes a 10/5 player in I think 2yrs, which means regaurdless of the contract terms, in 2yrs he can't be delt w/o his ok, so the no-trade clause is kinda a moot point, the rumor is the sox offered 4yrs in high 30's and Teck wants (or Borus) wants 5yrs 55mil.

[MVP]

Pedro Martinez did, yes, but MVP was hinting at Tino wasn't he? He was saying something about OPS for firstbasemen?
Yeah I was talking about Tino.

Isn't his contract up with the Devil Rays?

[BCWWF]

I think it is MVP. I read on ESPN.com's Page 2 something about him coming back to the Yankees or something, so its a possibility.

[John la Rock]

From mlb.com:

The Mets have offered Pedro a 3 year 37.5 million dollar contract.

[VonErich Lives]

yep, been talking on the radio about that all day.

it's expected the sox will counter w/ a gaurented 3rdyr rather then an option.

Then if the Mets go to 4yrs the sox will let him go.

I also thought I heard the Yanks offered Lieter a 1yr deal?

[VonErich Lives]

So, couple Boston rumors today.

if Valentin doesn't take Arbitration the sox are interested.

The guys got power, but he strikes out a lot, not sure I like him and Bellhorn in the same lineup.

Also, the sox are talking the the diamondbacks about Randy Johnson, the "rumor" Arroyo and prospects.

Word was Randy didn't have Boston on the list of places he would go. That he didn't get along w/ Curt and other stuff...Maybe the sox are just trying to drive up the price to block him from going to the Yanks...

So, what's the local chatter where others are?

[Splaya]

I have heard Randy Johnson to the Bosox for Arroyo and prospects.


Tigers- Detroit, from where I am from. Met with Jeff Kent and possibly KEvin Millwood this week. I heard a possibility of Glaus getting in here within the next 2 weeks for a round of negotiations as well.

[BCWWF]

Nothing cool, but Joe Randa apparently said that he would love to play for the Twins, so if Koskie doesn't resign then theres a possibility. Valentin was also rumored to the Twins, without Guzman and such. Radke should sign, they are just working on the money part now. The hot prospect who was supposed to start next year, Jason Kubel, injured his knee real bad in the offseason and will miss most of next season, so Jacque Jones might not be traded afterall. I don't think the Twins are going to be very good next year :-\

[The Icon of Elisim]

Jays are interested in Corey Koskie, it'll probably be a pretty quiet season for Jays fans

[VonErich Lives]

D-baks are saying the Sox and St. Louis don't have the pitching they want, rumor is Randy to the Yanks for Vazquez and Gordon.

Sox talking to Glauss, I'd assume he plays 3rd and Miller goes to 2b if that happens.

interesting Mirabelli said he turned down starting offers to come back to boston as a backup, although his contract has a clause that doubles if he becomes the starting catcher (wonder if that's injury effected or how exactly it's written).

[Terra Ryzin]

as of today they are reporting the Yanks are out of the Randy johnson sweepstakes. D-Backs asking to much. Most likely they yanks are gonna focus back to Pedro.

real good chance Pedro is in NY next season, with one team or another.

Mets also made an offer to Sexson, wich i would love if they picked him up

San Fran sighned Benitez. As a Mets fan ill say this, awesome dominate closer, but chokes hard in big spots time and time again. He holds the record for most blown saves in the playoffs, 6 blow saves in 10 chances OUCH!

[PsychoSport]

Apparantly the Diamondbacks were asking for Javier Vazquez, Tom Gordon and Brad Halsay. Plus, they wanted NYY To pay them 18.5M to cover Vazquez's contract

That's a pretty ridiculous price for a 41 year old pitcher, even if it is Randy Johnson.

If I were a Yanks fan I'd be pretty pissed off that they need to do all that for RJ, yet the BoSox got Schilling for free (basically.)

[BCWWF]

The thing is, thats what Randy Johnson is worth, at least to the Yankees. If they had Randy Johnson in the playoffs last year, you can pretty much bet that the Red Sox fans would still be moaning. Javier Vazques is a good pitcher, but if the Yankee's lose him it won't affect them much at all. I don't really see why Tom Gordon is in there though, I think he's the reason the deal didn't go through. Gordon is huge for the Yanks, but I don't think he would have the same affect on a rebuilding Diamondbacks. If they asked for some other random guy, I am sure the Yanks would do it.

Is there any talk about Randy to the Cardinals anymore? Also, why aren't the Diamondbacks talking with the teams that actually have prospects?

[PsychoSport]

I agree. Take out Gordon and the Yankees probably take that deal.

I haven't heard anything about Randy to the Cardinals. During the season didn't Randy say that he would only consider a trade to the Yanks? Remember, he is a 10-and-5 guy.

[BCWWF]

Last season I thought it was only the Yanks or the Cards because they were the only teams that were guaranteed playoff teams. I heard that St. Louis had the prospects to deal a few weeks back, but I haven't heard much since. Peter Gammons is the one who said that though, so there must be somethign behind it.

[VonErich Lives]

Last season it was just the Yanks, now in the offseason he expanded his list.

I heard the report the yanks are out it was on espn radio "The Yankees say they're out of the RJ sweepstakes, but it's probably just a ploy to drive down his price" :)


Great news for the sox if Gordon goes cause that hurts the middle relief more.

I really don't see Pedro going to the Yanks, I think it's either the Mets or Sox. The smart move for Pedro would be the Mets, but it wouldn't shock me to see him come back to the sox.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Last season it was just the Yanks, now in the offseason he expanded his list.

I heard the report the yanks are out it was on espn radio "The Yankees say they're out of the RJ sweepstakes, but it's probably just a ploy to drive down his price" :)


Great news for the sox if Gordon goes cause that hurts the middle relief more.

I really don't see Pedro going to the Yanks, I think it's either the Mets or Sox. The smart move for Pedro would be the Mets, but it wouldn't shock me to see him come back to the sox.

:y: I expect Pedro will go to the mets. I heard the Mets are offering more money and a 3 year deal as of this moment. SO he's probably going to go the Mets. I hope Yankees get someone though. It would be great if they got Ramimez or Lowe. He's a free agent right?

[VonErich Lives]

:y: I expect Pedro will go to the mets. I heard the Mets are offering more money and a 3 year deal as of this moment. SO he's probably going to go the Mets. I hope Yankees get someone though. It would be great if they got Ramimez or Lowe. He's a free agent right?

Last I heard (rumor) the Sox are willing to gaurentee the 3rd year, but no 4th, not even a 4th option, but the Mets are willing to give a 4th option.

Who knows, he could just be doing this to get the 3rd year from the sox.

If I was him, he has his ring, and he'll be a better pitcher in the NL, it's a tough call.

Lowe is a free agent, which Ramirez do you mean? Manny isn't, he's got 5? more years left on a huge deal, the sox did try to waive him last year to free up the money but I don't see them doing that again this year.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Last I heard (rumor) the Sox are willing to gaurentee the 3rd year, but no 4th, not even a 4th option, but the Mets are willing to give a 4th option.

Who knows, he could just be doing this to get the 3rd year from the sox.

If I was him, he has his ring, and he'll be a better pitcher in the NL, it's a tough call.

Lowe is a free agent, which Ramirez do you mean? Manny isn't, he's got 5? more years left on a huge deal, the sox did try to waive him last year to free up the money but I don't see them doing that again this year.

I did mean Manny. :$ I thought he was free. Does anyone know what team Garciapalla plays for now? Cause if he's free I think the Yankees would be real good for him. But, any Boston player I'd be happy to see on the Yankees. Oh man just think how the boston fans will treat Pedro if he does go to the Mets.

[Loose Cannon]

Pedro's not going to the Mets. Nomaaaaaaa is free, but he's not going to the Yanks. Johnson will probably come to the Yanks.

[Splaya]

Johnson will go to the Yanks, Pedro will end up in beantown and Noma will end up in NY as well.

[VonErich Lives]

I did mean Manny. :$ I thought he was free. Does anyone know what team Garciapalla plays for now? Cause if he's free I think the Yankees would be real good for him. But, any Boston player I'd be happy to see on the Yankees. Oh man just think how the boston fans will treat Pedro if he does go to the Mets.

Mannys not free, Nomar's a free agent, so far no ones offered him crap, the only rumor I've heard is the white sox, Nomar wants a 1yr deal so he can prove himself, but no one wants to waste money on him for a year to have him go elsewhere in a bidding war.

Pedro wont go to the Yanks, and I'm not sold that Johnson will. I don't see the Yanks giving up Vazeuz, Gordon and I thought Halsley, or some other SP.

As for Pedro, I still think he did this to get the 3rdyr from the Sox, but it wound't shock me if he went to the Mets, Isn't the mets GM from the dominican? I thought I heard Pedro went to his house for dinner the other night.

[Loose Cannon]

They just said on ESPN, Johnson is expected to be traded to the Yankees next week.

[VonErich Lives]

They just said on ESPN, Johnson is expected to be traded to the Yankees next week.

yeah, they said that yesterday and then said the yanks had pulled out...

who knows anymore.

The Yanks makes the most sense, for RJ and the D-Backs, the question is do the Dbacks come down on what they want or the Yanks pay the farm?

[BCWWF]

I think its Gammons who is saying Randy will be traded to the Yanks next week, so its a pretty good chance.

What I seem to be hearing a lot is that the Red Sox are just figuring out the details and will have a deal matching the Mets' real soon.

[MVP]

I still think that Pedro is going to stay with the Sox for the 3rd year deal on his contract. It'd be great if they could pick up Nomar again, or even Cabrera, but I haven't heard anything about him yet.

[Loose Cannon]

Yanks traded Lofton to Phills for Felix Rodriguez.

[Loose Cannon]

and Stanton is back :love:

[PsychoSport]

Why do you keep talking about Gammons like he's a reliable source of information?

[John la Rock]

Interesting move trading Lofton. You know they're going to get Beltran no matter what

[VonErich Lives]

Why do you keep talking about Gammons like he's a reliable source of information?

Because he is.

[BCWWF]

If you can name me one writer who has more inside information on the MLB, then I will start quoting him.

[Loose Cannon]

yea really. How can you even say that?

[BCWWF]

Dunno, it doesn't seem like a big move on Yanks standards, but I think it was a reallly really good move on their part

[YOUR Hero]

Lofton was going, no matter what. He was in the dog house more than once this year.

[John la Rock]

just in on mlb.com

The Astros have offered Beltran a 5 year 70 Million dollar contract

[PsychoSport]

yea really. How can you even say that?

Because he sucks?

[VonErich Lives]

Because he sucks?

and you back that up w/?

[VonErich Lives]

espn radio reported Nomar signed w/ Chicago, I missed which one, but I assume Cubs.

[PsychoSport]

and you back that up w/?

How about that everything he says is either

A) Common Knowledge (Eric Milton will sign with the Yankees!)

or

B) Completely fabricated (Blue Jays will trade Alexis Rios for Nick Johnson. :lol: )

Anyway, I won't argue with you guys. I just have a different opinion of him is all. (I really just wanted to bump this thread)

[DaveWadding]

NOMAR IS A CUB :love:

[VonErich Lives]

NOMAR IS A CUB :love:

Good, should we start the betting now on when he hits the IR?

[ct2k]

Ok so i've completely not kept up to date with anything mlb related since the awards were announced and i can't be bothered to read anything so VEL, summarise everything for me in 50 words:rant:

[VonErich Lives]

Ok so i've completely not kept up to date with anything mlb related since the awards were announced and i can't be bothered to read anything so VEL, summarise everything for me in 50 words:rant:

Nomar, 1yr cubs for 8mil.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sweet, when I go to Wrigley in June I'll be there for Nomar's 1st game againest the old team.

[ct2k]

45 to go VEL.

So how long ya reckon Nomaaah will be on the DL this season?

[BCWWF]

I'm glad Nomar stayed with the Cubs, I just can't imagine him in the uniform of most the teams in the league, but I like him in the Cubs

[VonErich Lives]

45 to go VEL.

So how long ya reckon Nomaaah will be on the DL this season?

only 45 more words, I'd rather not waste on Nomar.

Giambi, Bonds and Sheff admitted to Roids, the league wont penalize the past but w/ pressure from the gov't they're re-doing there testing/penalties, even though the MLBPA think there current plan will "eventually work".

[The Outlaw]

NOMAAAAAAAA

[Loose Cannon]

Outlaw, Yankees are going after Wright. Don't know though. I think he'll be like a Derek Lowe. His career year was last year.

Yanks got Womack today. Always hated him for some reason.

And Stima, why you going to Wrigley? You have family there or is it like a trip? I always wanted to go there

[KingofOldSchool]

LOL Jaret Wright

[BCWWF]

Wright was good in like 1998 too wasn't he? With the Indians or something?

It is kind of funny how all the steroid guys just aren't being talked about anymore, when really it is a pretty big deal.

[John la Rock]

Wright had 15 wins last year with the Braves.

but I think he'll probably flop like Loazia in New York

[Loose Cannon]

yeah BCWWF, Wright was real good one year with the Tribe and I've said before how I thought he was going to be one of the next great pitchers, but then I think he got injured and he died off.

[Loose Cannon]

Lieber is a Phillie :(

[BCWWF]

Al Lieter is a Marlin I think

[ct2k]

I can't believe we've let Lieber go:|

Jesus fucking christ...

[BCWWF]

I can't believe we lost to Lieber in the playoffs :rant:

[Boomer]

J.D. Drew has declined arbitration

so.....

The Braves have lost him, Russ Ortiz, Jaret Wright, and Antonio Alfonseca (but he sucks)

And there are rumors of a trade of Marcus Giles for one of the A's aces. They are saying Hudson most likely because he's a Alabama native.

Johnny boy has alot to do to get the Braves to the playoffs this year. I just CAN'T see it happening again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck. Hidalgo's not coming back to the Mets. :(

At least they resigned Mike DeJean though. :cool:

Also, SHIT! @ the Phillies picking up Lieber. Sucks for the Mets</font> :'(

[MVP]

Yankees were offereing Lieber for Pedro a little while back. REAL glad that didn't go through.

[KingofOldSchool]

I can picture Georgie in his office talking with his staff...

George: "Who should we go after?"
Guy: "Carl Pavano is a good, young pitcher. He is exactly what our pitching staff needs."
Guy 2: "Pedro Martinez. You should know that he is one of the best and dominant pitchers in the game. And it would really stick it to the Red Sox if we were to get him from them."
Guy 3: "Randy Johnson is still amazing after all of these years. However, we'd have to give up a lot of our farm system for him."
George: Carl Pavano? Never heard of him. Pedro Martinez? I don't like his hair. Randy Johnson? What the hell is a farm system?! Is there any other guys we can sign? What about the pitcher for the Braves?"
Guy 1: Russ Ortiz?
George: No. The guy everyone was raving about in the Indians organization....
Guy 2: Jaret Wright? The guy has only had like two good seasons, the rest of his career have been plagued by injuries and just plain suckitude.
George: But that just means he has plenty of good seasons left, I mean he was just getting the kinks out of his game before coming here. Let's give him a fat contract.
Guy 1: What? We still gotta resign Jon Lieber...
George: Lieber is a loser, we didn't even make it to the World Series last season! He's not worth my time! You're fired! He's fired! SIGN WRIGHT!
*Guy 1 leaves*
Guy 2: Are we still going after Pavano and/or Pedro?
George: I heard that Tony Womack guy is good, we need a second baseman. Sign him too...

[BCWWF]

Then go get Joe Mauer :mad: NOBODY TOUCHES JOE MAUER :rant:

[The Outlaw]

WHAT WRIGHT?!

:mad:

[YOUR Hero]

Bye bye Carlos Delgado :'(

[BCWWF]

Where did he go? I haven't look around yet

[ct2k]

I'd love the Yanks to pick up Carl Pavano. Like seriously LOVE it.

[Loose Cannon]

Glaus went to the D Backs

Dye to the White Sox

[VonErich Lives]

I'd love the Yanks to pick up Carl Pavano. Like seriously LOVE it.

Yeah, I'm suprised I haven't heard much of the Yanks talking to Pavano, maybe they still figure they will get RJ.

Someone who played w/ Pavano said he expects him to be a Red Sox soon.

But you can put that w/ the other 50 rumors going around.

Another one is a Sox trade for Hudson, would include Arroyo and I didn't listen to what else, because I don't think it's gonna happen.

[DaveWadding]

Glaus went to the D Backs


Stupid. he gets 4 years and 45 mil and he so damn injury prone :mad:

[John la Rock]

just in

LA Dodgers sign Jeff Kent to a 2 year 17 million dollar contract

[ct2k]

Beltre, Izturis, Kent

nice

[Apprentice]

Shawn Green too... if he can get back to normal.

[BCWWF]

Fuck. Well, the good thing is that he's not on the Yankees :lol:

[John la Rock]

Beltre, Izturis, Kent

nice

Beltre still has to resign

[BCWWF]

Most sources are saying he most likely will though right?

[VonErich Lives]

Gonzo on the radio, says the D-Backs making this move, may change Randy's mind about wanting to leave.

[BCWWF]

I could definately see that, if they can made themselves a decent team the NL West could always really be anybody.

[DaveWadding]

Looks like Russ Ortiz is about to sign a 3 year 27 mil. contract with the D'Backs...and Randy's mind still hasn't changed.

[John la Rock]

Steve Finlay just signed a 2 year 15 million dollar deal with the Angels

[DaveWadding]

Ortiz is a D'Back.

our rotation looks damn good if Unit stays.

Unit - Ortiz- Webby

and apparently they're supposed to be persuing Shawn Estes

[John la Rock]

Ya hopefully Arizona can resign Johnson. He better not sell out and go to New York

[Apprentice]

Bosox get David Wells. Thats a shocker

[MrMeJW]

Now I can buy that fat slob's Sox jersey with my last name on it...

[YOUR Hero]

Well the reason RJ didn't leave the D'Backs last year at the deadline was because management asked him to give them a chance to prove they were serious about rebuilding. Since he stayed last year, I knew the D'Backs would rebuild fast around him. I see him staying. Elsewise he would have left last year.

[PsychoSport]

I can picture Georgie in his office talking with his staff...

George: "Who should we go after?"
Guy: "Carl Pavano is a good, young pitcher. He is exactly what our pitching staff needs."
Guy 2: "Pedro Martinez. You should know that he is one of the best and dominant pitchers in the game. And it would really stick it to the Red Sox if we were to get him from them."
Guy 3: "Randy Johnson is still amazing after all of these years. However, we'd have to give up a lot of our farm system for him."
George: Carl Pavano? Never heard of him. Pedro Martinez? I don't like his hair. Randy Johnson? What the hell is a farm system?! Is there any other guys we can sign? What about the pitcher for the Braves?"
Guy 1: Russ Ortiz?
George: No. The guy everyone was raving about in the Indians organization....
Guy 2: Jaret Wright? The guy has only had like two good seasons, the rest of his career have been plagued by injuries and just plain suckitude.
George: But that just means he has plenty of good seasons left, I mean he was just getting the kinks out of his game before coming here. Let's give him a fat contract.
Guy 1: What? We still gotta resign Jon Lieber...
George: Lieber is a loser, we didn't even make it to the World Series last season! He's not worth my time! You're fired! He's fired! SIGN WRIGHT!
*Guy 1 leaves*
Guy 2: Are we still going after Pavano and/or Pedro?
George: I heard that Tony Womack guy is good, we need a second baseman. Sign him too...

What "Guy 2" said about Wright is true, but it could also be said about Pavano.

[PsychoSport]

Well the reason RJ didn't leave the D'Backs last year at the deadline was because management asked him to give them a chance to prove they were serious about rebuilding. Since he stayed last year, I knew the D'Backs would rebuild fast around him. I see him staying. Elsewise he would have left last year.

Uh, he can't just "leave" whenever he wants. He is under contract. If the D'backs want him to stay, he has to stay.

[BCWWF]

If you look at it through the eyes of a stubborn kindergartner, then yes

[YOUR Hero]

Uh, he can't just "leave" whenever he wants. He is under contract. If the D'backs want him to stay, he has to stay.
If he asked for a trade, they'd trade him. Ask Seattle.

[PsychoSport]

As I recall it, it was the D'backs that wanted to trade him last year, and Randy who didn't want to go. Then, after about two weeks of coaxing, he finally decided to agree to a trade -- but only if it was to the Yankees.

That's why saying "They're trying to convince Randy to stay" makes absolutely no sense to me.

[BCWWF]

Well he did ask for a trade...but they couldn't find the right deal. Technically if he was really that pissed he could hold out or something, but that would just get him fined and stuff.

[PsychoSport]

I think it's the D'backs that want to trade RJ, not the other way around. I don't see how signing an often-injured 3B and a mediocre starter is "convincing" him to stay anyways. And then they're pursuing Estes, who is horrible...whoopee.

[BCWWF]

In reality the D-Backs would be the winners, not Randy, if they could trade him. If they trade him for the last year, then they will get something back, and something really good. If they don't trade him, they get nothing and he walks. All Randy is getting is a shot at a World Series that most likely won't work out .

[YOUR Hero]

The way I remember it, RJ was interested in moving on. Not the other way around. I'm sure of it.

[Loose Cannon]

Your Hero is right.

[VonErich Lives]

The way I remember it, RJ was interested in moving on. Not the other way around. I'm sure of it.

at first RJ didn't want to go, ie: break his no-trade.

Then he ok'd the Yanks and the D-Backs wanted to move him elsewhere.

Then the rumor was this offseason he had a short list that was more then just the Yanks.

Here's what I don't get, aren't this the same D-Backs that MLB bailed out a few years ago because they couldn't make they're payroll?

Where's all the money coming from?

[YOUR Hero]

Yeah I wonder about that too VEL. They were world champs, yet they were bankrupt. I thought ok, they made a run 'come hell or high water' yet here they are perhaps preparing to do it all over again. Time will tell.

A for RJ, it was somewhat complex. He wanted to move, they wanted him to stay.. then he warmed up to the idea of moving (under the right circumstance) then they wanted to keep him... It's all rather odd.

[VonErich Lives]

Wells... interesting, the Sox really wanted a Lefty, a Good Lefty can be great in Fenway.

8mil and w/ incentives that could be 18mil.

There also setting up for there minor league pitchers to come up the next 1-3 years.

Wells has a 2yr deal, Schill has 1yr left and a 1yr option.

Limited Sox tix went on sale today, got tix to 6 games, missed on the opening day packages. Gotta be honest, might not have gone, $12.00 bleachers are going for $700.00, so I probably would have sold them.

Other notes, Gammons was just on, said the Sox signed wells because they are confident Pedro is coming back and that they wont get Pavano because the Tigers are willing to go 5yrs and the sox aren't.

Also that the sox are close to a deal w/ Renteria and Gammons thinks when all is said and done Teck will come back also.

[John la Rock]

looks like Pavano is close to signing with them Yanks. 4 year 48 million

[BCWWF]

WTF is up with the Tigers?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>BREAKING NEWS FROM THE WINTER MEETINGS: The Boston Red Sox have signed Edgar Renteria.</font> :eek:

[VonErich Lives]

Why do you keep talking about Gammons like he's a reliable source of information?


Other notes, Gammons was just on, said the Sox signed wells because they are confident Pedro is coming back and that they wont get Pavano because the Tigers are willing to go 5yrs and the sox aren't.

Also that the sox are close to a deal w/ Renteria and Gammons thinks when all is said and done Teck will come back also.


<font color=goldenrod>BREAKING NEWS FROM THE WINTER MEETINGS: The Boston Red Sox have signed Edgar Renteria.</font> :eek:

[ct2k]

looks like Pavano is close to signing with them Yanks. 4 year 48 million

I am hoping and praying this happens

[MrMeJW]

Renteria!!! NASTY!

[ct2k]

Whats gonna happen to Cabrera now? Is he a free agent?

[KingofOldSchool]

Braves got Kolb from the Brewers.

WOOO.

[BCWWF]

I don't know about Kolb, he's like 30 and only had one good season. His stats are so weird, he struck out like a record low for closers or something. That'd be cool if he was good for the Braves tho I guess

[PsychoSport]

...

Right.

First off, the deal isn't confirmed. Second of all, so what? Even a broken clock is right twice per day. :)

I'm still waiting on that Alex Rios for Nick Johnson swap, so I can kick Ricciardi in the nuts.

Also, there's no way Renteria is worth 10mil. Ew.

And I think it was a good move by the Brewers to sell Kolb while his value was high. Got a damn good prospect IIRC.

And as for the D'backs talk from earlier, I am so fucking sure that I remember Randy not wanting to be dealt that it's not even funny. But I'm also sure he will be dealt. That's where the money is coming from.

There, that about covers everything I think.

[BCWWF]

Pavano will be signing with the Yankee's now according to ESPN.com

Is he going to be a Mike Mussina or a Javier Vasquez?

BTW, Psychosport, you are right, Randy did not want to be dealt...for a while. Then he admitted that he did and everything opened up. When you are in a position like that, you can't say that until the perfect time. So he was saying he didn't want to be traded for a while, but then he said he did.

[BCWWF]

OK, this Renteria on Boston thing, I haven't seen it anywhere. Where is it being reported? Or am I just falling for another stupid trick?

[John la Rock]

ya I havn't seen the Renteria thing either

Well Pavano has found a home in New York. The deal hasn't been finalized though

ALSO

Roger Clemens has accepted arbitration and will remain in Houston (if he doesn't retire)

[BCWWF]

Houston*

Also, Minnesota to the guy who always messes that up

[Evil Vito]

OK, this Renteria on Boston thing, I haven't seen it anywhere. Where is it being reported? Or am I just falling for another stupid trick?

<font color=goldenrod>Heard it on the radio (WFAN). They have people that are in the hotel where all of the owners/GMs/Managers are at, and they WERE saying that a deal was finalized, but now the Red Sox' official site is reporting that it's NOT 100% complete, but they are very close (the Sox have offered a 4 year deal worth $40 million).

But what WAS confirmed was that Cabrera is now a free agent. Hmm, it'd be weird if the Cards retaliated by picking him up, but it won't happen as the Cards likely don't have the cash.</font>

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/news/bos_news.jsp?ymd=20041211&content_id=920851&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp

[The Outlaw]

So Smoltzee is back in the rotation.

He has been wanting this for a long time, maybe he will deliver like the good old days. :cool:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Just heard about the Matt Lawton/Arthur Rhodes trade (even though it actually was announced about 6 hours ago).

Good job @ the Indians sacrificing Lawton for salary flexibility, but they'd better hope that Arthur Rhodes can return to his 2001/2002-esque performances now that he's going back to being a set-up man.</font>

[VonErich Lives]

ok, someone with more NL knowledge, give me some Renteria info.

I'm most concerned w/ his glove. How is it/him?

Cause Caberaera was good, and the reason talked around here was he wanted 5yrs and too much money.

But someone also said Renteria plays OF?????

If that's the case it may make more sense for the sox.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why are they signing him to a 4 year deal? I thought the Sox had a nasty guy coming up threw the farm system right now and they didn't want to sign ANY shortstop for longer then 2-3 years :wtf:

[VonErich Lives]

Why are they signing him to a 4 year deal? I thought the Sox had a nasty guy coming up threw the farm system right now and they didn't want to sign ANY shortstop for longer then 2-3 years :wtf:

I'll put 2 guesses.

1) they move Renteria to 2B.

2) It gives them a great trade prospect if needed in the season.

[The Outlaw]

He made 11 errors this past year. His career has been kind of weird. His rookie year he made 11 errors, and then he got worse for 4 or 5 years, and then he starting decreasing every year and this year he was back at 11.

[VonErich Lives]

He made 11 errors this past year. His career has been kind of weird. His rookie year he made 11 errors, and then he got worse for 4 or 5 years, and then he starting decreasing every year and this year he was back at 11.

hmm... 11 ain't horrible.

I heard something he's played OF? is that true? If that's the case, that makes sense, cause they sox have a SS in the minors and Damon is a Free Agent in 1-2 years.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Dammit, Pavano has instructed his agent to strike a deal with the Yanks.</font> :mad:

[Loose Cannon]

Pavano :D

Reports are that LA might sign T. Hudson.

:( That would break up my favorite pitching staff of all-time.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I didn't expect the Sox to sign Wells...I never thought I'd see him in a Sox uniform ever to tell you the truth. I didn't really hear much about it then all of a sudden hes now on the team.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah I had no idea about Wells. I dunno if Renteria has ever played outfield. I remember he played first base one game for a few innings I think, haha

[BCWWF]

Wait Renteria is going to play outfield? What is Doug Mientkiewicz going to play short now?

[VonErich Lives]

Sox didn't sign Renteria, they're close, but STL gave him a 4yr offer, so the Sox are supposed to meet w/ OC's agent today.

The sox are supposed to deal either Meintkiewicz or Millar at some point.

[PsychoSport]

Renteria's never played in the OF. He has one game at 1B, one game at DH, and all other games at SS.

Also, the Dodgers can't sign Hudson as he's not a free agent.

[Loose Cannon]

Edit: TRADE

BAM FIXED

:y:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The sox are supposed to deal either Meintkiewicz or Millar at some point.
Hopefully Millar. Bats can be replaced, or people can get hot. You pretty much are what you are in the field tho, and Meintkiewicz is probably the best defensive 1st baseman in the game.

[John la Rock]

TSN.ca is reporting that Corey Koskie is coming to Toronto baby. HUGE upgrade over Eric Hinske :y: Koskie is 3 years 17 million

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[BCWWF]

:rant:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>OH SHIT NO

Just heard that Royce Ring of the Mets farm system is eligible for the Rule 5 Draft (which I'm not entirely clear on but it sounds like the Mets may lose him), because everyone needs lefty pitching out of the bullpen.

My question is why wouldn't they just re-sign him to a new contract? He's an awesome lefty and has been dubbed as the closer of the future for the Mets. :rant:

Someone care to clarify what exactly the Rule 5 Draft is, anyways?</font> :o

[VonErich Lives]

On the radio, not sure what paper, is reporting the Sox offered Manny to the Mets for Floyd, and w/ the money the sox would have signed Reteria & Delgado.

The Mets turned down the offer,

WTF, stop trying to deal Manny!

[The Miz]

LOL wtf. That is the dumbest trade ever.

[Loose Cannon]

Sexson is pretty much confirmed to be going to the M's.

[BCWWF]

I kind of hope that Beltran signs with the Mets too

[The Icon of Elisim]

Hurray, Jays got Koskie.

Jays are also supposed to be a top 3 team for Matt Clemente. Could be a decent off season after all

[MoRcHeEbA]

Pedro 4yr/56 million rumored to sign with the mets today

[MVP]

Holy shit I thought Pedro's asking for 38 mil to re-sign with the Sox was a lot.

Anyway I heard that D-Lowe is gonna arbitarily sign with the Sox for 8 mil and is only gonna be a middle RP. Is there any truth to that? Cause if there is that's bullshit, D-Lowe should still be starting :nono:

[John la Rock]

Fuck Pedro better stay in Boston

[PsychoSport]

I'm glad that the Jays signed Koskie. I think it might be a year too long, though. He is 32, and 3B's don't traditionally age well.

Still, good signing. Hopefully they can dump Hinske somewhere instead of playing him at first. There was a rumour that he'd be packaged with Batista for Carlos Lee. That would have been awesome, but alas, Carlos Lee was just traded to the Brewers.

I hope to God the Jays don't win the Clement sweepstakes. He has had one good year, and he's the kind of pitcher that would suck ass in the American League.

[MoRcHeEbA]

I don't think Hinske is all that bad. Maybe I'm the only one :-\ but I wouldn't mind them moving him to first.

[VonErich Lives]

LOL wtf. That is the dumbest trade ever.

Clearly it's not a talent for talent move, it was strictly to dump payroll.

Like how they put him on Waivors last year. Then sign Delgado to replace Mannys bat and play first and deal Millar and possible Manca(however you spell it).


As for Pedro.

If you look at the Mets history of big signings/trades, this should be a sign that Pedro is done, back from Bonilla to Mo Vaughn.

Anyway, can't blame Pedro, a gaurenteed 4th year, that's lot of money.

Will be interesting, free up a lot of money for the sox to play w/ but who'se left.

Theres talk of a Hudson deal, but the sox don't want to part w/ the prospects Oakland wants, plus they would prefer to deal him to the NL (I heard a Dodgers rumor).

Right now, it's Schilling, Wells, Wake, Arrojo. Not a horrible 4man, but Arroyo had 1 good year, and Schill and Wells are both up there in age.

The sox have a real good pitching prospect, and there's talk he may get a chance to start this year. Not sure if he's ready or being pushed.

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, I think Hinske is pretty good. He's young and I think he will really improve come 2006.

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, I posted the Hudson to LA thing yesterday. Hudson and the A's are saying it's bullshit though. Kind of believe them. I would get rid of Zito before Hudson anyway.

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah, I posted the Hudson to LA thing yesterday. Hudson and the A's are saying it's bullshit though. Kind of believe them. I would get rid of Zito before Hudson anyway.

Couple of reasons to deal Hudson

1) He's the one of the 3 coming off a solid year and has the most value, where someone dealing for Zito right now would almost get a discount based on last year.

2) I could be wrong, but I think he's a FA at the end of the season.

[Loose Cannon]

Well, I kind of looking at it from the A's prospective. Hudson is top 3 best pitchers in the AL in my eyes. If I were the A's, I do everything to keep him. He's their guy. If the A's want to win, you keep Hudson and Mulder. But they need offense, like every year, so I can see why they might have to deal him.

And yeah, Zito's free next year. Mulder resigned last year right? Or was that Chavez?

[BCWWF]

Hey VEL, its spelled MIENTKIEWICZ :rant: You don't deserve Mienkie if you can't even spell his name

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Initially, I was hating the idea of Pedro coming to the Mets.

But the more I think about it, I kinda like the idea. I mean, he still has a pretty bad attitude, but he should be great.

But DAMN that's a huge contract. Hopefully Rick Peterson can get Pedro over the 100 pitch crap.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

Funny how Pedro goes to the other team I hate just as much as Boston :lol:

[Gertner]

hinske has no range so a move to first wouldn't be so bd. now if he could only get his average up i wouldn't hate him so much.