Armageddon 2004

[Nervous Ferret]

awww come on..it didn't sound that bad.

[Gerard]

awww come on..it didn't sound that bad.


You wanna try watching it, i was laying on my sofa half asleep.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe the F-5 was more of a tribute or a "Please come back.", kind of gesture then (if Lesnar is not already under contract)?

I thought the PPV was overall really good. Rene Dupree & Kenzo vs. Myserio & RVD was a fantastic match, IMO. It could have been better, but I think given another tag team to feud with, RVD-619 and Rene & Kenzo can have a great tag team feud.

I agree with Gohan3k, switching the titles on SmackDown! was meaningless, and would have made much better sense at the PPV. I can't remember the last time the WWE Tag Team Championship did actually get swapped on PPV.

Kurt Angle vs. Santa Claus could have really great, if Santa turned out to kick ass and then have the medals to some kid (maybe a sick kid or something). I don't know if Angle would be willing to give his medal away, but it would be an awesome gesture if he gave it to some kid for Christmas. Maybe Santa could have been a developemental wrestler who was called up. Him winning and giving the medal to charity would have been the ultimate rub.

The Dixie Dogfight was good, but mainly because Mizanin held his own, and came so close to winning in the fans' eyes. I don't think Puder did himself any favours by emphasising Ultimate Fighting during his after match promo.

The Bashams vs. Holly & Haas was interesting. The two faces/tweeners could be great in a tag team, and it will be interesting to see how they get along. It seems Holly is the "tutor" to Haas. I know this may not be in good taste, and I don't mean it disrespectfully, but it could have been impactful if Hardcore pointed to Charlie's wristbands with "RUSS" written on them, and asked Charlie what Russ would think of Charlie losing matches because of some women distracting him.

I will be interested to see what happens with Holly & Haas now. Hardcore has a relationship with Jackie, as he trained her (I think), and Haas has just broken her heart. I can see Holly bringing Jackie in as their valet now, just to piss Charlie off. I am looking forward to see how Dawn Marie will react to Charlie, and to see if they play a "schemeing" ex's gimmick. I hate it when they have Divas have these little feuds, some of them actually major (like Dawn "killing" Torrie's dad), then a few weeks later they are friends and having photoshoots together. I hope there is a bit more fluency with this angle. Maybe The Dudleys will come back as Dawn's avengers? Hardcore Holly & Charlie Haas vs. The Dudleys at the Royal Rumble, No Way Out or WrestleMania 21?

I don't like the way Cena squashed Jesus, as I like Aaron Aguilera, and I don't think he and Carlito have gotten a fair go in recent months (with injuries and all). It would have been better if they had the commentators focus on how Jesus had a torn groin, and how he expected to come in here for a clean and easy face to face fight, but since Cena's attacked him from behind, Jesus has been helpless. Carlito & Jesus could be good in the tag division, and I think it needs repair, so maybe that's where they'll go when they're ready to return.

Just a random thought, does anyone like the idea of each wrestler getting their own plate for the WWE United States Championship? Maybe a different coloured strap as well? It would be nice to see Kidman with a "Shooting Star" themed belt that goes with his ring jacket. Then along the sides of the belt you can have all your previous incarnations of the championship plates as sort of a reminder of the history this wrestler now carries.

Funaki as champ=ratings. Not literally, but still. I actually laughed at his little joke. "Armageddon your Cruiserweight Championship!". There's something about that little guy that's......cute. Was anyone else laughing when Funaki climbed to the top rope just before hitting his double stomp tree of woe type move on Spike? Jimmy Cordares was putting on this harsh voice telling Funaki "No!". I would have enjoyed the experience more if Funaki had almost squashed Spike. Not like your regular squash, but basically have him be too much for Spike to handle. Have all the spots that happened in the match and more, but with Funaki really pulling out some big moves and making us realise he's not a joke. I wouldn't have had that rest hold either. Keep it short and sweet with Funaki winning cleanly with The Rising Sun.

The main event was surprisingly good, and I loved the interaction between The Cabinet and JBL before the match. I would have marked out if The Cabinet came down to ringside to congradulate JBL, but then out comes Theodore R. Long and tells us that he said The Cabinet weren't to be at ringside with JBL tonight. Period. Then he strips JBL of the Championship and announces either a Triple Threat Match or a tournament on to be held (or commence) on this week's SmackDown!.

I think we'll see JBL vs. The Big Show at the Rumble, which will be extremely entertaining, IMO.

[Nervous Ferret]

Didn't Eddie Guerrero steal Kurt's medals and auction them off?
I know they weren't the real ones but...how nieve does the wwe think we are?

[Azriel]

You'd be suprised Ferret. :lol:

[Nervous Ferret]

yes I suppose.

[Gouda]

:foc: The Undertaker and his no-selling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

:foc: The Undertaker and his no-selling.

I dunno, for the first-time ever since I started watching wrestling, I felt that indestructibility that The Undertaker supposedly had in the 90's. It kinda felt special to me. It would have been more impactful if JBL had pinned Taker, though.

[The Cerebral Assassin]

How about some screen caps of Big Show hitting the F-5 on Jindrak?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did anyone else notice the way Tazz tried to cover up Michael Cole's blatnant teases of Brock Lesnar. I know they probably meant nothing, but MC was going "An F-5!?!?!!?!?!?!? What the Hell?" and then Tazz goes something like "Well, yeah. Big Show just hit it out of nowhere.".

It probably sounded fairly normal there, but the way it came off on television it seemed Tazz was trying to make it sound like the fireman's carry into a DDT was just move, while Michael Cole was making it out to be Brock Lesnar's move, if you catch my drift?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Back to cruiserweight action. I think Funaki needs new tights. I like the blue & white themed ones, but I have seen him stick to that theme for so long, I can't image him in anything else. Hopefully we see Funaki develope as WWE Cruiserweight Champion. Maybe even establish an ego.

I personally think Kurt Angle vs. Santa Claus and/or The Bashams vs. Holly & Haas could have been put on Heat in sacrifice for Chavo Guerrero & Paul London vs. Billy Kidman & Akio. Maybe add Shannon Moore to the faces and Nunzio to the heels to get a nice 6-man tag going.

[The Cerebral Assassin]

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[Funky Fly]

Smell that Latino Heat.

[SuperSlim]

meh the PPV sounded aight at the most.

[Hired Hitman]

I think J.B.L. is being built up like Hollywood Hulk Hogan, needs a gang to help him win, cheats anyway to keep his title... probably end up losing the championship at WM21 to somebody that the fans love.

[Loose Cannon]

I think J.B.L. is being built up like Hollywood Hulk Hogan, needs a gang to help him win, cheats anyway to keep his title... probably end up losing the championship at WM21 to somebody that the fans love.

that's how I think it should go down. I mean, you've kept the Title on him this long. Might as well have him lose it a Mania.

[Fignuts]

I dunno, for the first-time ever since I started watching wrestling, I felt that indestructibility that The Undertaker supposedly had in the 90's. It kinda felt special to me. It would have been more impactful if JBL had pinned Taker, though.

No-selling as part of his deadman gimmick is one thing. But come on, he no sold a shot with the belt followed by two frog splashes. Thats just ridiculous in my opinion. And it made eddie look pretty weak.

[Gouda]

No-selling as part of his deadman gimmick is one thing. But come on, he no sold a shot with the belt followed by two frog splashes. Thats just ridiculous in my opinion. And it made eddie look pretty weak.

Exactly. It all but makes a joke out of one of your top guys. Also, from what I hear Eddie (as well as everyone else) was acting constantly afraid of Undertaker, making him look more like nothing.

On a show where you have so few top guys you can't go and make jokes out of them.

[Corkscrewed]

GOOD:
- JBL finally picks up a credible win... even though it was shady, it was against three faces and he made himself look good.
- Lesnar tease.
BAD:
- JBL is still champ
- Cena looks like the Undertaker... he should challenge JBL; there's no one else on his level right now...

Anyway, whatever. I totally forgot about the PPV to be honest...

[John la Rock]

so who is going to beat JBL for the title at Wrestlemania 21? My pick is Taker

[Tornado]

If Miz held his own, i'm impressed, I fully expected Puder to murder him.