HHH Appreciation Thread [Archive]

Thriller

01-30-2005, 01:09 PM

I cant't take this anymore i gotta get this of my chest.Will all you HHH haters please shut the fuck up.I ve been on these forumns for almost year and almost every thread i go to i have to subject myself to constant pissing and moaning about from all 95 % of the tpww members and im sick of it.

every one says that HHH is holding people down and its because he has all this stroke hmmmmm lets think about this.where would :Batista,Orton,Benjamin,Eugene be.How over would Benoit be right now if it wasnt for HHH.How many top stars have been elevated if it wasnt for there fueds with HHH.Lets see who was Y2Js fid\rst big storyline/fued against ,what about Kurt Angles.If he was as big as an ego maniac as everyone makes him out to be why would he bother wasting his time with wrestlers who are green or people wouldnt normally give a shit about.

If you ask me HHH is the reason will will be watching the rumble tonight as apposed the a walker on a pole match in WcW when Austin ,Taker and HBK.Who carried the flag thats right it was HHH and The Rock and where is the rock now.Making movies.HHH is dedicated to the buisness all the crap he has put up with the WWE would make a lesser man quit.But he didnt.HHH deserves every thing hes gotten.He has paid his dues Aand is also one of the greatest if noit greated total package wrestler.So HHH i salute you.

Mayo

01-30-2005, 01:23 PM

Definite Rep for you!

I think that people are just sick of seeing HHH on tv all the time and they don't appreciate him enough. HHH is the Flair of the last decade, hes the guy that's always got the belt and everybody loves to hate him.

CBright7831

01-30-2005, 01:29 PM

I agree with your post.

Most of these people on here are idiots.

If you don't do what they say and fall in line, they will try to tear you apart.

The Answer

01-30-2005, 01:37 PM

HHH is "The game" he is a great technical wrestler and his psychological promo's are top notch

Eunos

01-30-2005, 01:43 PM

McLegend

01-30-2005, 01:44 PM

HHH is the man, but he's not a technial wrestler Deadmanwalkin.

HHH still remains the most fun to watch on RAW. I watch Raw because of HHH.

The Answer

01-30-2005, 01:49 PM

HHH is the man, but he's not a technial wrestler Deadmanwalkin.

HHH still remains the most fun to watch on RAW. I watch Raw because of HHH.

Well he isn't a brawler so would would you call him?

McLegend

01-30-2005, 01:54 PM

Well he isn't a brawler so would would you call him?
HHH is a brawler. All of his famous matches are streetfights.

But this thread is about praising HHH and in all his glory so who really cares right now.

Thriller

01-30-2005, 02:03 PM

I don't agree with his backstage politics and he does irritate me.

But i have to admit sometimes he can be quite entertaining.

I just think he should give others a chance to main event every now and then.
How do you know about backstage politics?Are you there backstage?Its an assumtion that since h's vince son in law that he has all this pull.But news flash Vince makes the descions not HHH.Realistcally who else as a heel would garner as much heel heat as HHH is therefore its understandable hes maint event.It vince fault not trips.Plus if HHH had so much pull WWE would lose so many guys.Imagine Y2J on TNA.That be a huge impact(no Pun intented)

VJW

01-30-2005, 02:10 PM

I like HHH but it's still fun to make jokes about him.

Thriller

01-30-2005, 02:19 PM

I like HHH but it's still fun to make jokes about him.
Its one thing to make jokes once in awhile but its a common thing.

KingofOldSchool

01-30-2005, 02:24 PM

I love Triple H.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 03:47 PM

"How over would Benoit be right now if it wasnt for HHH."

Wow, holy shit. That right there proves you don't know jack shit my man. Who are you to tell people if they know what goes on behind the scenes when you clearly have no clue on what goes on behind the scenes.

There's a few people on this website who have talked to other wrestlers and who have read CREDIBLE sheets like Meltzers. I listen to them cause them know what they are talking about. Dave Meltzer has been writing his wrestling newsletters since as far back as the WWF goes. He and his crew know what they are talking about because they have been backstage, because they have talked to other wrestlers, because they've seen the bullshit politics that goes on. I listen to credible radio shows all the that have WRESTLERS themselves as guests and they will tell you what goes on behind the scenes. Did you read that article I posted about Patterson a while back? Guess Not

Yea a lot of people on here might just bash HHH cause of others. But I listen to those guys who know first hand what goes on in Titan Towers. I mean if I here a story on some bulshit website that "Christian isn't getting a push because HHH said he wasn't over," No I'm not going to believe it. But if I here it from Meltzer or from a few guys on here who I know are credible, I'm going to believe them.

And I can give you copies of the Observer from the past year, which clearly shows the ratings declining when HHH is on top. He's done shit for the business in terms of buyrates, houseshows, and TV ratings since he's come back from his little quad injury.

Yes, HHH was great in 2000 and was making money, but what has he done since then in terms of business? And yes, Vince has Final say. So why if his business is going downhill does he think HHH is the answer? Oh don't worry, just put the Title back on HHH, business will go back up. Oh here let's make Shelton Benjamin a star and have him beat HHH. Yeah, noe he's over like huge cause he beat HHH. Fact is, HHH can't make anybody a star anymore cause his starpower has declined. The fans don't want to see HHH hogging the spotlight anymore, they want to see someone different running things.

I'm just going to leave you with this and I want you to answer it. Why is it that HHH has to be on top all the time even though he's clearly not helping business? Why is it that when someone other than HHH wins the World Title, HHH's programs are seen more important than the Champions programs? Why is it that when talent begins to get over to the point where the fans are going crazy for them, HHH has to suddenly get invloved? Why is it that when guys come in hot from other companies to a point where they look like real threats, HHH has to be the one to beat them and make them look like they were nothing? There's a lot of questions to be answered there.

But I know one answer for sure. HHH IS NOT the answer to the WWE's growth, if there even is going to be any growth. As long as he remains in the spotlight, business will go nowhere.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 03:52 PM

And whomever said HHH is a great technical wrestler just made Lou Thez roll over in his grave. Yea, great psychological promos. WTF?

01-30-2005, 04:09 PM

Normal Is Me

01-30-2005, 04:13 PM

Fucking right Loose Cannon!

Splaya

01-30-2005, 04:37 PM

Guys face it, we can love HHH all we want. I'm a HHH mark.

It's Paul Lavesque that we all hate :mad: :foc:

Innovator

01-30-2005, 04:38 PM

Amen LC

McLegend

01-30-2005, 04:39 PM

Theres no need to bring negatively in an appreciation thread. :nono:

Dagger Phillips

01-30-2005, 04:53 PM

HHH is the best in the buisness right now. That is a fact. There's no one in the WWE right now that compares. HHH is the most well rounded wrestler out there. He main events becasue quite frankly there is no one that can carry the ball right now. Add in that HHH is the wrestler that we all love to hate and it's apparent why he's in the main event almost always. He has earned his place, and he has helped get new stars over (Benoit, Orton, Benjiman and now Batista) HHH vs (insert name here) is a higher profile match than any other combination of wrestlers you can put together right now.

You could have a Orton/Benoit match for the belt at Wrestlemania and a HHH/Bastisa non title match and guess which one we'd all be talking about. Granted the Orton/Benoit would be a more technically sound match, but let's face it we want to see HHH lose. Bastistas face turn wouldn't work as well without HHH, and its things like that that cements him in the top spot in my opinion.

If HHH went over to Smackdown, it'd be a much better show. And if HHH went over to TNA.. well the WWE would have a real threat on thier hands. You can't say that about anyone else right now.

So I too salute HHH. Can't wait for him to have his ass handed to him by Bastisa, but still, I appreciate what he does.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 05:02 PM

HHH is the best in the buisness right now.

Just one question. Why do you say that? Is it because he's always in the main event? Is it because he always has the Title? Is it because he takes up the most TV time on shows? Is it because he's won the most Titles? You know, there are more then a handful of wrestlers you can place into those spots and they would be just as, if not more, over then HHH.

The #1 reason why people think HHH is the best that I hear time and time again is because he wins the Title a lot and he's always on top. Well no shit. To me that only makes you the best if you can draw in the fans and do good business. Cause believe it or not. Wrestling is a business. Simple as that.

And I don't knoe how anybody can keep a stright face and tell me that Jericho doesn't have what HHH has. There's a perfect example of the bullshit that goes on.

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 05:18 PM

Rep for LC

I will give HHH all the credit in the world for the stuff he did with DX and when he was champ around 2000 because at that time because he actually was the best but his politics are a fact.

You say he put over Angle. Do you know what the original plan for the Steph/Angle/HHH love triangle. Angle would get Steph and HHH would be face and go and have a real big feud with Angle. But guess who stopped that. Trips. Because he refused to be face.

Who cares about the outcome of a storyline? Angle became a HUGE star and went on to win the WWF title shortly after

Also HHH helped Jericho in 2000, he helped Benoit, Orton, Batista, and Benjamin in 2004.

You cannot tell me that Orton and Batista would not be as popular if it wasn't for HHH's influence

Enjay

01-30-2005, 05:19 PM

This could be a hot stable-war right here.

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 05:24 PM

HHH is an easy target because he is married to Steph.

Of course Jericho (and probably only Jericho maybe Angle or Guerrero if they were on Raw) could take HHH spot

Why doesn't Jericho step up and play the politics game? Jericho can be as big of a star as he wants to be. Maybe the main-event spot is too much pressure for him? Maybe he doesn't care about main-eventing since he's all ready rich and popular?

Dagger Phillips

01-30-2005, 05:24 PM

And I don't knoe how anybody can keep a stright face and tell me that Jericho doesn't have what HHH has. There's a perfect example of the bullshit that goes on.

Jericho is nowhere near as menacing as HHH. Jericho can't cut a promo without it being a comedy promo. As much as I laugh my ass off during HHH promos at least he comes off as a serious competitor.

LC, I know I'm not going to change your mind, and I don't want to. It's obvious what you think of HHH and it has been for quite a while. That's cool. But why you have to come into this thread and talk like your opinion is the only one that matters around here is beyond me. Can't you just agree to disagree, move on, and let the rest of us enjoy this thread. It's only wrestling, not the end of the world. Get over it.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 05:32 PM

Who cares about the outcome of a storyline? Angle became a HUGE star and went on to win the WWF title shortly after

Also HHH helped Jericho in 2000, he helped Benoit, Orton, Batista, and Benjamin in 2004.

You cannot tell me that Orton and Batista would not be as popular if it wasn't for HHH's influence

See here's the thing with all you HHH lovers. You all think that if HHH wasn't there that other guys would of never made it. That's just bullshit. I'll never understand this at all. I can't believe you're actually saying without HHH, Benoit would of been nothing. :lol: HHH helped Jericho in 2000? Hey great program when you got your Champion cleaning up dog shit. Oh I love it. Gotta see the ratings there. You now what would of helped more? To see Jericho, Benoit, Orton, Benjamin get the best of HHH and then move HHH right on out of the spotlight. HHH then comes back after a few months and gets his big win. Instead what to we get. Guy beats HHH. Win over HHH isn't made to seem al that important. HHH beats guy. Gets Title back or steals whatever steam that guy had going for him. That's the story.

Let's see how they book Batista. Let's see if HHH loses to Batista at Mania and then gets his Title back at Summerslam or a little after that. Is that how you think it should go? Cause that's how it's been going for the past 3 years.

Londoner

01-30-2005, 05:33 PM

JLR-Who cares about the outcome of a storyline?Wtf? That's what keeps us interested.

If we didn't care about the outcomes of storylines then all it would be is boring matches that mean nothing. Explain yourself abit better.

As for your other point, HHH did not help Jericho, yeah sure Jericho got to be champ for a while, but who did he lose to at wrestlemania?HHH. Who's still in the main event now?HHH. Who hardly ever gets a shot at the title now and loses to people like Hassan at house shows?Y2J.

He did not help Benoit either. Sure he tapped out to him a few times, but who's storyline was made to be more important?Triple H's. Lets see, Benoit's first title defence was against kane, that was the match BEFORE last, HHH's match with HBK headlined the PPV and surprise surprise the buyrates did shit.So how do you justify that?

As for orton , Orton has fucked up since his face turn because of who?HHH. Who won the title off of him after just one month?HHH. Then there's Benjamin, yes i was impressed with how many times hes jobbed to Shelton, but then he just ahd to beat Shelton didn't he?He couldn't take another loss could he? And now what storyline is Shelton actually in?Cos I don't know. Batista is the only guy I can see him putting over, but lets see how long it takes for them to fuck that up.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 05:37 PM

Jericho is nowhere near as menacing as HHH. Jericho can't cut a promo without it being a comedy promo. As much as I laugh my ass off during HHH promos at least he comes off as a serious competitor.

LC, I know I'm not going to change your mind, and I don't want to. It's obvious what you think of HHH and it has been for quite a while. That's cool. But why you have to come into this thread and talk like your opinion is the only one that matters around here is beyond me. Can't you just agree to disagree, move on, and let the rest of us enjoy this thread. It's only wrestling, not the end of the world. Get over it.

Jericho can't cut a serious promo? How long have you been watching wrestling or watching Jericho for that matter?

And I'm not going to agree when the starter of this thread came right out and bashed everyone who bashes HHH. And some of the reasons he gave were bullshit. If he came in and praised HHH and said he was great....Fine, I would of left it alone. I don't mind other people's opinions about wrestlers cause who am I to judge that? But when we're going to talk about HHH behind the scenes and that HHH is the reason we're all going to watch the Rumble tonight and that Benoit was/is nothing wihtout HHH, then I saying something.

Londoner

01-30-2005, 05:37 PM

the buyrates did shit* was what i meant, can't seem to edit because of a database error..

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 05:38 PM

See here's the thing with all you HHH lovers. You all think that if HHH wasn't there that other guys would of never made it. That's just bullshit. I'll never understand this at all. I can't believe you're actually saying without HHH, Benoit would of been nothing. :lol: HHH helped Jericho in 2000? Hey great program when you got your Champion cleaning up dog shit. Oh I love it. Gotta see the ratings there. You now what would of helped more? To see Jericho, Benoit, Orton, Benjamin get the best of HHH and then move HHH right on out of the spotlight. HHH then comes back after a few months and gets his big win. Instead what to we get. Guy beats HHH. Win over HHH isn't made to seem al that important. HHH beats guy. Gets Title back or steals whatever steam that guy had going for him. That's the story.

Let's see how they book Batista. Let's see if HHH loses to Batista at Mania and then gets his Title back at Summerslam or a little after that. Is that how you think it should go? Cause that's how it's been going for the past 3 years.

oh man LC you're way off here.

I'm not saying that they wouldn't make it I'm saing that he helped groove them into become main-event players in the WWE. They were good at first duh, but HHH made them that much better and more popular.

You care way too much about win/loss records

Londoner

01-30-2005, 05:40 PM

How did hhh make them better?Ill correct the typos in my post when the edit function works properly again.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 05:45 PM

oh man LC you're way off here.

I'm not saying that they wouldn't make it I'm saing that he helped groove them into become main-event players in the WWE. They were good at first duh, but HHH made them that much better and more popular.

You care way too much about win/loss records

WTF, won/loss records? No, I care about seeing different people in the main event scene for more then 3 months. How did HHH help groom Benoit? Benoit has busted his ass for god knows how long and suddenly HHH is the one that groomed Benoit into a main event player. BENOIT WAS A MAIN EVENT PLAYER WHEN HE CAME IN. Why can't people get that. Same with Jericho. Same with RVD. Same with BooKer T. Same with Steiner. Same with Taz. Same with Goldberg. You have to understand, these guys werer OVER when they came in. WHY did HHH have to be there to beat these guys? Why? I don't understand why people in Titan Towers think HHH is the only guy who can give people rubs. Cause he sure didn't give Benjamin a rub. He sure didn't give Eugene a rub. Orton was doing great until someone made the decision for him to win the Title and then let HHH beat him right back.

Now tell me, what purpose did that serve? Just answer that question. Because I still haven't figured it out.

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 05:46 PM

JLR-Who cares about the outcome of a storyline?Wtf? That's what keeps us interested.If we didn't care about the outcomesof storylines then all it would be is boring matches that mean nothing.Explain yourself abit better.
As for your other point, HHH did not help Jericho, yeah sure Jericho got to be champ for a while, but who did he lose to at wrestlemania?HHH. Who's still in the main event now?HHH. Who hardly ever gets a shot at the title now andloses to peoplelike Hassan at house shows?Y2J.

He did not help Benoit either. Sue he tappedout to him a few times, but who's storyline was made to be more important?Triple H's. Lets see, Benotis first title defence was against kane, that was the match BEFORE last, HHH's match with HBK headlined the PPV and surprise surprise the buyrate for shit.So how do you justify that?

As for orton , Orton has fucked up since his face turn because of who?HHH. Who won the titleoff of him after just one month?HHH.Then there's Benjamin, yes i was impressed with how many times hes jobbed to Shelton, but then he just ahd to beat Shelton didn't he?He couldn't take another loss could he? And now what storyline is Shelton actually in?Cos I don't know. Batista is the only guy I can see him putting over, but lets see how long it takesfor them to fuck that up.

man you're also missing the point

Angle became a star because of his program with HHH. The storyline worked and gave us an entertaining storyline and it pushed Angle to new heights. I like storylines as much as the next guy but I don't bitch about "what should have happened".

Also do you think that the casual fan gave a shit about Shelton before he wrestled HHH? I doubt it. The reason that Shelton gets big pops from the crowd and has a t-shirt for sale on wwe.com is because of the feud he had with HHH.

Thriller

01-30-2005, 05:50 PM

Jericho can't cut a serious promo? How long have you been watching wrestling or watching Jericho for that matter?

And I'm not going to agree when the starter of this thread came right out and bashed everyone who bashes HHH. And some of the reasons he gave were bullshit. If he came in and praised HHH and said he was great....Fine, I would of left it alone. I don't mind other people's opinions about wrestlers cause who am I to judge that? But when we're going to talk about HHH behind the scenes and that HHH is the reason we're all going to watch the Rumble tonight and that Benoit was/is nothing wihtout HHH, then I saying something.
First of all i did not come here and bash people,i strictly stated the fact at how annoyed i am that no matter what thread i go to there is someone making a crack at HHH.First off as as big a mark as anyones of benoit.But he didnt not have the pops he has now if not for winning the world title.People talk about buyrates all they want but that means shit nowadays.People aren't big on wrestling as much as they were back in the day.Not too many guy could get a good buy rate.Eddie is as over as any star on that roster,but yet did he have good buy rates ummmmm no.From what ive seen ive seen plenty of people who agree with my statements i dont expect everyone to see my point of views infact i welcome the debate.But dont doubt how long someone has been a fan or there knowledge of just because they dont see things your way.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 05:51 PM

Also do you think that the casual fan gave a shit about Shelton before he wrestled HHH? I doubt it. The reason that Shelton gets big pops from the crowd and has a t-shirt for sale on wwe.com is because of the feud he had with HHH.

Boom. There it is right there. Proof that what the WWE has done is convinced people that the only reason some wrestlers are good is because they worked with HHH. I mean they've done a good job of convincing people. What are you suppossed to think when it's been HHH all over the place for the last 3 years?

And that's exactly where my disagreement lies.

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 05:54 PM

WTF, won/loss records? No, I care about seeing different people in the main event scene for more then 3 months. How did HHH help groom Benoit? Benoit has busted his ass for god knows how long and suddenly HHH is the one that groomed Benoit into a main event player. BENOIT WAS A MAIN EVENT PLAYER WHEN HE CAME IN. Why can't people get that. Same with Jericho. Same with RVD. Same with BooKer T. Same with Steiner. Same with Taz. Same with Goldberg. You have to understand, these guys werer OVER when they came in. WHY did HHH have to be there to beat these guys? Why? I don't understand why people in Titan Towers think HHH is the only guy who can give people rubs. Cause he sure didn't give Benjamin a rub. He sure didn't give Eugene a rub. Orton was doing great until someone made the decision for him to win the Title and then let HHH beat him right back.

Now tell me, what purpose did that serve? Just answer that question. Because I still haven't figured it out.

cause HHH is the only BIG star that the WWE has left on Raw from the attitude era. If Austin or Rock were still wrestling full time, they would be the focal point of the show guaranteed. And they would be the one's to get new stars over.

Taker has been doing the same thing on Smackdown with JBL, Heidenreich, Cena, etc

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 05:54 PM

I cant't take this anymore i gotta get this of my chest.Will all you HHH haters please shut the fuck up..

Sounded like bashing to me. No need for the shut the fuck up part. That's really not the way to come off credible. :y:

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 06:07 PM

Also LC :

Jericho, Benoit, RVD, Booker, and whoever else you said We're not main-eventers in WWE when they came in.

Booker was a Main-Eventer in WCW sure but that was when people didn't watch and when business went under. Main-eventing WWE and WCW (at that time) are totally different

Funky Fly

01-30-2005, 06:09 PM

Good gawd, LC. :love:

And here I was getting ready to rip this topic a new asshole. I'll be brief. Pretty much everything LC has said up to this point is right.

And John la Rock's last statement about Benjamin is just wrong. Over on Smackdown there was sorta this tag team called the World's Greatest Tag Team. You know, Haas & Benjamin? Also went by Team Angle? They had innovative double team moves? Maybe you've heard of them? Benjamin had been impressive as a singles and a tag wrestler on Smackdown long before HHH "made him a star". Maybe if you noticed during that supposed star-making match, Benjamin had to tone down his mat-based style in favor of more brawling because HHH couldn't keep up.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 06:17 PM

So John La Rock. This is what I'm getting from you.

HHH is the only big star on Raw right now and is the only guy who can make people stars? Is this a fair enough statement?

And when I say "main eventers" I mean percieved as "main eventers" because when most of those came in, especially Jericho and RVD, they wre red hot and were ready to main event any show.

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 06:18 PM

Also, Backup has arrived :love:

Thriller

01-30-2005, 06:27 PM

Funky Fly

01-30-2005, 06:29 PM

Don't get me wrong, I respect HHH's ability to put on a good match (mostly through psychology, since he hasn't been the same since the injury), I just can't stand one guy being the focal point of the show, champion or not.

Funky Fly

01-30-2005, 06:38 PM

Sure he impressed people but no one gave a shit about him.did you hear that pop when he went to Raw no?niether did i.As for the match.its called wretling an is the art of telling a story.Not a spot fest
Since when has mat wrestling been a spotfest? WGTT had 2 spots and rarely used both in the same match. We're not talking RVD here. If anything, Benjamin has more spots now.

John la Rock

01-30-2005, 07:14 PM

So John La Rock. This is what I'm getting from you.

HHH is the only big star on Raw right now and is the only guy who can make people stars? Is this a fair enough statement?

No of course HHH is not the only big star on Raw. But he is the most effective wrestler at getting guys "over". not by jobbing in particular because he rarely jobs but by a hot feud.

Who would you say is the most effective wrestler at making people stars? On Raw that is

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 07:27 PM

Loose Cannon

01-30-2005, 07:29 PM

But it's the WWE's fault for not putting guys over like a HHH or Taker. And those two have a big part in that backstage.

Hired Hitman

01-30-2005, 08:17 PM

Alright let me put my two cents worth

*ahem*

I appreciate what Triple H has done, I appreciate all the injuries all the bad falls everything that he has done to entertain the fans.

He does great promos; one of my favourites was when he beat the living crap out of William Regal with the sledge hammer, laid next to him, covered in blood talking to him; then the scene of him washing the blood off his hands. That is the Triple H I want to see, because for that moment, I felt like Triple H was the best damn thing EVER.

But now he has become rather plain, I see the same promos; the same matches, the same reasons for storylines everything is the same. He is a great talent for sure, one of the best there ever was, and I agree that he is one of the biggest stars in the WWE today.

However he needs to slide down and let other people have a shot at the main event scene, it’s true that Wrestlers build themselves into Superstars but they need to be placed in the main event to get the attention growing superstars need.

Chris Benoit- Great wrestler, barely any charisma but what a great fan base this guy has people respect him for all the hard work he has done over the years, the reaction from the crowd when he had the world title and was main eventing was out of this world.

Then once Shawn Michaels and Triple H became the main event at most shows Benoit lost that main event feeling that made people like him, Benoit did not "drop the ball" he had a connection with the fans, the fans knew who he was. But what he didn't have was the main event, you need to keep your World Champion in the main event or else the title will be worth nothing.

Chris Jericho- Jericho was great back when he won the titles he was getting great reactions, he had the skills needed to be a main eventer and he also had the charisma to make any promo great. He is a perfect sports entertainer He was simply awesome at being a face but he was even better as a heel, he knew what to say, what to do, how to move to get the reaction he wanted and he still does, all he needs is to be focused on more by the people, put him in the main event scene and see how he does, I for one think he will be the next great one.

I can see somebody like Christian who looks like he has everything needed to be in the main event scene, a good look, great attitude, good charisma, a cocky smile, already has a catchphrase “My Peeps” and already has a heel chant “C.L.B.”, sure that he looks smaller than the rest but I can see Christian as the next Shawn Michaels and by that I mean a smaller guy in the main event.

I don’t think Triple H is as bad as people make him out to be, the WWE writers are taking the easy way to create a great main event by putting an already solid wrestler and have him beat somebody else, it works sure, but after awhile it hurts both the fans and the company, there needs to be new stars made so the next generation can keep things flowing and putting Triple H or Shawn Michaels in the main event all the time wont do that.

I agree that Triple H is one of the best right now, but that doesn’t mean he has to be in the picture all the time, too much of a good thing is bad.

The WWE need to learn that to make somebody a threat they need to show something that is considered a threat, Like when Shelton Benjamin beat Triple H, that was a big deal, but when Triple H beat Shelton Benjamin, Benjamin had nothing left to be considered a threat and has lost focus.

I think I will end this with a quote:

Superstars are like plants, once you plant them they look great, water them to show their greatness, but you need to keep watering them every once and awhile or they will die.

Londoner

01-31-2005, 06:23 PM

Quote from the post above:
I can see somebody like Christian who looks like he has everything needed to be in the main event scene, a good look, great attitude, good charisma, a cocky smile, already has a catchphrase “My Peeps” and already has a heel chant “C.L.B.”, sure that he looks smaller than the rest but I can see Christian as the next Shawn Michaels and by that I mean a smaller guy in the main event.

I totally agree, but i don't think the WWE does.the music helps though, it kinda reminds me of HBK's music.

Thriller

01-31-2005, 07:18 PM

I see your point there. In a way I do agree HHH is probably, along with Taker, the only two guys that can create stars. Actually, I only think Taker is the only guy right now at this moment. HHH's stock has dropped drastically past 2 years because he'll put someone "over," but then beat him right back. That's really getting nothing done. Look at Warrior/Hogan as an example. Warrior pinned Hogan cleanly at Mania 6, but Hogan didn't come back and pin Warrior 4 months later. It went to Slaughter like 9 months later. That is how it should work. HHH needs to step aside for a year and see how things go. He doesn't need to be in the main event scene.
With that point keep in mind that things were alot different.Only 4 PPVs a year ,no big cable tv shows.f you look at it that way Warrior only had 2 sucessful title defenses in 9 months,and slaughter not even having 1.Theses days the champ is defending the belt every other week.Meaning a monthe long title reign these days is just as credible if not more so credible the 10 years ago

Loose Cannon

01-31-2005, 08:12 PM

I don't think a month reign is credible at all. Orton had it for a month and when hr lost to HHH, what happened? Did he come off stronger? Nope.

Benoit had the Title for a long time, but was he the main focus of the show? Nope

Goldberg had the Title for longer than Orton and less than Benoit, but where did he go when HHH beat him? Certaintly not back into the Title picture.

To me, Title Reigns mean nothing today because eventually everything goes back to HHH. If you're fine with this because you think HHH deserves to win the Title all the time, then fine. But I just don't see it that way. I'm mean look at this:

Raw Title History from Sept 2, 2002

Hunter Hearst Helmsley September 2, 2002 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 30
Shawn Michaels November 17, 2002 New York City, New York 31
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (2) December 15, 2002 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 32
Bill Goldberg (2) September 21, 2003 Hershey, Pennsylvania
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (3) December 14, 2003 Orlando, Florida 33
Chris Benoit (2) March 14, 2004 New York City, New York 34
Randy Orton August 15, 2004 Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (4) September 12, 2004 Portland, Oregon 35
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (5)

^^MAKES ME SICK

Loose Cannon

01-31-2005, 08:17 PM

Look, I don't mind HHH. Just get the fuck away from the Title and let somebody else have a chance at the top heel spot. That's all.

Thriller

01-31-2005, 08:27 PM

The bottom line for me is that i dont see much difference between the multiple title reigns of HHH and that of Flair and Hogan.Except for the fact that Hunter is married to Steph.If he wasn't married to Steph would it be as controversial.I highly doubt that.With Orton ,th he didnt get the reaction WWE wanted for him hence giving at back to HHH(or so my opinion)HHH has proven he can carry the ball.You can say he hogs the spotlight thats your opinion.But there is no other heel who you can give that belt to on Raw that would make much sense.If Orton had beaten Trips for the title as opposed to beating Benoit it wouldve been more of a push to him.Up until recentally the plan was for him to win it back at Mania which would have given him back the momentum he lost.Now if HHH beat Benoit for the title i could uderstand a bit more but he didnt,he beat a champ that wasnt ready.

Loose Cannon

01-31-2005, 08:37 PM

alright :y:

That's your opinion and I respect it, but your in a very little monority there. This discussion is just going to go round and round. The numbers on Raw speak for themselves the last 3 years. Business has not picked up and HHH still remains in the top spot. I don'r know, if I was running things there, I would change some things up a little pertaining to who gets most of my airtime on Raw and who is in that top spot. I won't keep the same guy in there when things don't continue to improve after three years.

Oh and Orton was getting one hell of a reaction as a heel. But since HHH didn't want to go babyface, they turned Orton face instead and...Goodbye Orton. Certainly put the nail in the coffin when he lost to HHH a month after getting the Title.