RED SOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Part 3

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well, with Pitchers and Catchers reporting I decided to start up my tpww tradition

Anybody not rooting for the Red Sox this season loves the cock

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, wtf is going on?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This is the offical Red Sox topic that I will post in for the entire season. BCWWF reminded me when he made his topic.

[Loose Cannon]

wait, did they report already? So the season technically has started right?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah not yet, people who go early have reported though

[BCWWF]

HAha Stima you rascal, I have to edit my thread now...

[Loose Cannon]

Fuck it, season started.

R.I.P. LC's Boston advatar. Oct 2004-Feb 2005

[BCWWF]

I love baseball

[BCWWF]

Any Royals fans wan't an avatar bet on who wins the division?
http://www.governor.state.mn.us/kids/minnesota%20twins.gif

[John la Rock]

fuck the Sox. The Jays is where it's at :cool:


even though they won't make the playoffs :(

[BCWWF]

Trade Halladay to the Twins for Michael Restovich and Kyle Lohse

[John la Rock]

you wish ;)

[BCWWF]

I know http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/redfacenew.gif

[John la Rock]

maybe for Johan Santana and Justin Morneau

[BCWWF]

There are no two players in the league that the Twins would ever trade them for

[VonErich Lives]

LC, nice logo :P

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I like the Red Sox because they took 3 good players away from teams in the NL Central

[RoXer]

Gunna go find me an A's avatar for the rest of the season.

Er, till the Suns lose in the playoffs.

Gtg find a Suns avatar too.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

DEFENDING WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS

[John la Rock]

^ doesn't that feel so good to say

[Champion of Europa]

2nd season of Sox for me. :heart:

[weather vane]

Ortiz is gonna jack about 90

[VonErich Lives]

Ortiz scares me, didn't play winter ball for the first time due to a shoulder injury he got during the Angels series that got worse when they went to Japan.

With his size, I'm worried if he's not active, he could become a Mo Vaughn.

on a funny note, Terry Francona was doing a radio interview and near the end you hear a crash and Terry says something and then "Sorry guys, I gotta go someone just rear-ended me and they have a yankees sticker in their window".

Francona is funny. He did get rearended, but the Yanks comment at the time was funny.

Like when he was on letterman (or leno?) and he said.

"Yeah, you just get used to things, like walking into the lockeroom and their tossing a midger around, or Johnny Damon, one min he's doing naked chinups and a few mins later he's standing on 2nd base with a double"

[The Icon of Elisim]

Just picked up The Sporting News spring preview today, when did Doug get traded to the Met, and what did they get for him? I do not remember this.

[BCWWF]

BTW, shouldn't this only be Pt. 2?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No, this is the 3rd one

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just picked up The Sporting News spring preview today, when did Doug get traded to the Met, and what did they get for him? I do not remember this.
I'm pretty mad about that. Doug was the man, I wish they would have traded Millar honestly. He is so bad in the field it makes me sick maybe he'll improve - he showed a LITTLE in the playoffs but I don't know. I guess he is good for the clubhouse, so whatever.

[BCWWF]

WTF cares about the ball anyway?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Me

Red Sox improved their defense and went from being 10 games back of the Yankees to winning the Wild Card then onto the World Series

[BCWWF]

So...you've got yourself a trophy. There are millions of little things you can take from that game, who cares. All that matters is the trophy.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Yeah, I really liked Doug. But I got the feel that he never really fit in with the other players and the management. Seemed like he was just too serious all the time, plus he had some fights with the team through the media.

Personally he's a top 5 first baseman in the AL with Erstad, Morneau, Huff and Tiexera had the Red Sox kept him

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah, I really liked Doug. But I got the feel that he never really fit in with the other players and the management. Seemed like he was just too serious all the time, plus he had some fights with the team through the media.

Personally he's a top 5 first baseman in the AL with Erstad, Morneau, Huff and Tiexera had the Red Sox kept him

The only "fight through the media" was Dan Shagnasey blowing a joking comment out of proportion about the baseball, otherwise they were fine.

I think keeping Kevin was the right move, Millar has a much better bat and can play more then one position, given his fielding is horrible, but part of his offseason routine has been working on that (I know, everyone tries to improve in the offseason) but people forget around her multiple goldglover Wade Boggs was a horrible 3rd baseman and made himself into a gold glover, players like Yaz and Rice would spend hours at the LF wall having balls hit off it to learn every single bounce. So, I think it's possible for Millar to improve, plus Ortiz can play 1st if needed which allows Millar to play OF if needed (see: Trot's yearly injury).

I'd also expect the sox to make a move at some point for a defensive 1st baseman, like they did last year, someone to bring in late in a close game to cover 1st (see: Bill Buckner memories).

[The Icon of Elisim]

He complained about playing time through the media at one point or two in the season

[VonErich Lives]

He complained about playing time through the media at one point or two in the season

Actually, that was Millar. He said something like "Everyone in this lockerroom is wondering why I'm not in the lineup"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So...you've got yourself a trophy. There are millions of little things you can take from that game, who cares. All that matters is the trophy.
Oh my bad, I thought you ment who cares about the ball like people fielding the ball defensively :rofl: I personally don't care about the ball you are talking about.

[BCWWF]

Stima's Angels Represent :love:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The only "fight through the media" was Dan Shagnasey blowing a joking comment out of proportion about the baseball, otherwise they were fine.

I think keeping Kevin was the right move, Millar has a much better bat and can play more then one position, given his fielding is horrible, but part of his offseason routine has been working on that (I know, everyone tries to improve in the offseason) but people forget around her multiple goldglover Wade Boggs was a horrible 3rd baseman and made himself into a gold glover, players like Yaz and Rice would spend hours at the LF wall having balls hit off it to learn every single bounce. So, I think it's possible for Millar to improve, plus Ortiz can play 1st if needed which allows Millar to play OF if needed (see: Trot's yearly injury).

I'd also expect the sox to make a move at some point for a defensive 1st baseman, like they did last year, someone to bring in late in a close game to cover 1st (see: Bill Buckner memories).Dave McCarty is supposely a defensive 1st baseman but I'm not sold on him. Everytime I see him out he just doesn't seem comfortable or whatever. Plus I don't think the Red Sox have much faith in him either seeing how they picked up Doug M last season.

I'm alittle questionable Wells this season, I don't know, I am pretty sure he took #3 to honor Ruth. (I'm assuming he got 3, since I saw a kid wearing a Renteria jersey the other day and it was #16) And I've been here grumblings that he's upset that the Yankees didn't persue him in the off season.

[VonErich Lives]

Dave McCarty is supposely a defensive 1st baseman but I'm not sold on him. Everytime I see him out he just doesn't seem comfortable or whatever. Plus I don't think the Red Sox have much faith in him either seeing how they picked up Doug M last season.

I'm alittle questionable Wells this season, I don't know, I am pretty sure he took #3 to honor Ruth. (I'm assuming he got 3, since I saw a kid wearing a Renteria jersey the other day and it was #16) And I've been here grumblings that he's upset that the Yankees didn't persue him in the off season.

I like the Wells signing because it didn't cost much, it has a huge upside but he has to pitch well to get it and I like contracts like that. He can handle big games, has multiple reasons not to like the Yanks and he's a Lefty and an average lefty in fenway park becomes a good lefty, a good lefty becomes great.

I could be wrong, I thought McCarty retired after the season?

If Millar can't get it done defensivly at first, I think Youkills was working over there and I'm sure they'll get someone who can play great D for late innings.

That being said, I don't think the East is going to be a cake walk for either team (sox or yanks) I think both will make the playoffs, but there are a few good teams that will give them both trouble.

[YOUR Hero]

I'm not happy with the Jays and their lack of action this off season, but I suppose I'm still a fan of theirs. Thankfully the Mariners play a ton of games on my TV and I cheer for them abit. Also this Washinton team, guess my heart will follow them a little.

[Champion of Europa]

Bought some sweet ass Red Sox Hot Sauce. :cool:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm pretty sure McCarty is still around? I don't know though. Kevin Youklis (SP?) has also been working at 1st base in the off-season.

[MVP]

I'll take Youkulis over McCarty any day.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well yeah Youk is making the team (obviously) as the back up 3rd baseman. I'm assuming both of them will be on the club, but could be a situation like last year when they got Doug M and McCarty rode the pine hardcore. McCarty could spit on my grave and I would still like him though, just because he was a member of the 2004 World Series Champion Red Sox.

[The Icon of Elisim]

I'm not happy with the Jays and their lack of action this off season, but I suppose I'm still a fan of theirs. Thankfully the Mariners play a ton of games on my TV and I cheer for them abit. Also this Washinton team, guess my heart will follow them a little.
Its going to be a long season for Jays fans.

There are some bright spots though, hopefully Russ Adams can get some experience and become the future SS.

I dunno, if Adams, Rios, Hinske and Hudson can all get better and if Bush and Towers can live up to their potential then the Jays could be decent in 2006.

Ricardi was given an extra 20 million for the roster which will probably come more into effect next season after they've evaluated these younger guys though.

I'm still not totally getting why they traded Cash. He struggled offensively but they invested so much in him. And Zaun doesn't impress me much

[BCWWF]

I think people are putting too much into the Jays getting Corey Koskie. He does end the season with good numbers usually, but he isn't the kind of player to carry a team offensively, he just kind of does stuff. He is obviously a better player then Michael Cuddyer, but I think the Twins might be better off now because Cuddyer will be consistantly average instead of completely awful for a week and then pretty solid the next.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Get out of here with this Blue Jay non-sense anyways

Red Sox > Blue Jays

[VonErich Lives]

I'm pretty sure McCarty is still around? I don't know though. Kevin Youklis (SP?) has also been working at 1st base in the off-season.

He's not listed on the current roster, but that could be because he's an "invite" to spring training and not on the roster/signed yet.

His plan last year was to retire at the end of the season, with Doug M. gone, maybe he changed his mind, but where he got his ring, and was living out of a hotel locally during the season, maybe he decided he went out on top.

[VonErich Lives]

ESPN has him signed to a 1yr minor league contract, which gets him a spring training invite.

I know there was talk the sox wanted to keep/pay him because when he's done playing the sox want to be first in line to offer him a coaching job (I'd assume he'd start as a minor league hitting instructor or possible base coach).

[BCWWF]

Morneau > Red Sox first basemen :)

[Excellance of Execution]

I read this comment a couple days ago on Yahoo (about what Trot Nixon had to say about A-Rod)

Boston's outfielder praised Rodriguez's playing ability but said New York's third baseman wasn't the ``Yankee type.''

``I don't look at him as that. He might be in a lot of people's eyes,'' Nixon said. ``He's done some great things on the field. He's one of the best baseball players in the game and probably will be when it's all said and done.




``But when people ask me about the Yankees, I tell them about (Derek) Jeter and Bernie Williams and (Jorge) Posada. I don't tell them about Rodriguez. ... He can't stand up to Jeter in my book or Bernie Williams or Posada.''

So with that in mind, because he's only been a Yankee for one full year, that means he's not a Yankee? So i guess under the same guidelines that Trot uses, that means Shilling isn't a 'Red Sox' right?

I never really get why athletes (either side) run their mouth's about other player's. It just motivates the other to perform better. Fueling someone's fire is something i would avoid at all cost's. It just gives the other team or player added motivation.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah everybody has been shitting on A-Rod because of his stupid comment about his workouts. Did you see what he said? It was hilarious. "While guys are sleeping or bringing their kids to school I'm working out"

[Excellance of Execution]

Yeah everybody has been shitting on A-Rod because of his stupid comment about his workouts. Did you see what he said? It was hilarious. "While guys are sleeping or bringing their kids to school I'm working out"

Yeah it's pretty dumb. Why couldn't he just talk about his workout's? Why he compare's himself to other player's is flat out stupid. All it does is make him seem like he is 'Superior' compared to other athelete's. Sure you may work out all the time, but that doesn't mean nobody else is.

[VonErich Lives]

Trot was on the radio today, said reading what he said, didn't sound like how he meant it.

Wells is going to bitch about the Yanks.
Schill will say some things.

I think the rest of the team will keep their mouth shut, they've seen how the Pats do it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Everyone in the MLB works out, thats thier job. All you do is play baseball, you should be working out. What else are you going to do?

This A-Rod/Sox thing is just something to keep us busy during spring training. It all started with that slap back in the ALCS. A-Rod called Bronso Arroyo Brendan the other day too. He knows his name is Bronso he was just trying to be a dick. Now Millar is getting involded saying A-Rod isn't like the rest of the Yankees. Should be intresting since the Sox players really are just "attacking" A-Rod and not saying anything about the rest of the Yankee players.

[BCWWF]

A. That quote was taken completely out of context and blown up by ESPN

B. Most fans would tell you, more then any other team, the Yankees have a certain image. The Bronx Bombers, the winners. A-Rod has been there one year and hasn't won, so in a lot of peoples minds he doesn't fit that image.

C. Curt Schilling came to the Red Sox, won a World Series in a dramatic fashion with the Red Sox, and immersed himself in the Red Sox culture from the start. Its not just an issue on years, Curt Schilling is a true Red Sock now.

D. Personally, I think that A-Rod fits the Yankee image. He really is the most high profile player in the league, highest paid and everything, so I think it makes perfect sense that he plays in New York. Also his lifestyle fits New York much more then it did in Texas. If A-Rod can get over the humps and get over in New York he will go down in history as an all time Yankee great.

E. VEL likes bikes

[The Outlaw]

LOL He will be a "winner" soon enough

[The Icon of Elisim]

I can't wait till A-rod calls David Wells a fatty and then Wells can be all like "talk the hand" and hit him with his purse

[BCWWF]

LOL He will be a "winner" soon enough
I don't really understand what you are saying?

A. Are you laughing because you think my post is funny or because you think its stupid

B. He will be a "winner"...does that mean you think the Yankees are going to win real soon or is it a smack on me.

C. I :heart: VEL

[VonErich Lives]

E. VEL likes bikes

Wrong, I like unicycles!

Ok, that being said, Wells had some valid issues, he didn't like when A-rod got there he kept saying "We won championships" as wells put it "He didn't win crap, and somehow thought by putting on the pinstrips the rings were retroactive or something"

Aperantly during the ALCS A-rod had scored, and Sheffield was coming around and it wasn't a close play at all, Sheffield slid and Arod was screaming at him to take out V-Teck. This aperently pissed of Sheffield who felt it would have been dirty, and the Sox players who are protective of their captin, and this has carried over into this season.

[weather vane]

Can't wait for back to back. Gonna be too funny.

[The Outlaw]

Nahh I'm just kind of laughing at people saying ARod isn't a winner and makes teams go down the toilet.

[VonErich Lives]

Nahh I'm just kind of laughing at people saying ARod isn't a winner and makes teams go down the toilet.

Is he a winner?

Has he even been in a WS?

I'm not taking anything away from him as a player, one of the best 5tools in the league, but does that make you a good team player?

Arroyo played against him in HS, said everyone was in awe of him cause he was like 6'4 in HS and already a great player, but said he remembered a game where Arod told and ump to tell the plate ump "We usually get those calls" and Arroyo was suprised to hear a HS kid say that. That being said, Arroyo told the story, but also said he was a fan of Arods, and they dropped the 2nd part and printed that Arroyo hasn't liked Arod since high school.

Gotta love the press.

There talking RJ may start 3 times in the yanks first 8 games, so he faces the sox twice.

Also, why is the media killing Giambi but not Sheffield? Are they really buying the "I didn't know the cream I put on my knee was a roid" crap?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nahh I'm just kind of laughing at people saying ARod isn't a winner and makes teams go down the toilet.Why is that so funny? He isn't exactly Tom Brady out there.

[BCWWF]

Who leads off for the Yanks? Is it Jeter? They need a real leadoff guy, like Knoblauch :shifty:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah Jeter is the lead off man.

[BCWWF]

I know that Jeter is a great player and can do a good job in the leadoff spot, but wouldn't it make sense for them to go find one of the true leadoff type guys and let Jeter hit in the two hole where he belongs. Look at what guys like Johnny Damon, Shannon Stewart, Ichiro, Juan Pierre, do for a team.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Where exactly in the field is this true lead off guy going to play?

He gets on base though, and with the Yankees line up you just need to get on base and you will get knocked in more likely then not.

They had a "true" lead off guy with Lawfton (sp?) and they barely used him in the leadoff spot.

[BCWWF]

You're right that Jeter does a good job there, but if he batted second he would be a lot more effective. Really they have a lot of positions where they could find a good guy, first, second, catcher, center field, and DH are all average. The Yankees were completely based around their top 4 last season. Granted there aren't a lot of guys that would be worth them picking up to lead off, but its kind of stupid that they keep trying to add to their cluttered middle lineup. Chuck Knoblauch wasn't the best player, but he did a lot for the Yankees while he was there, and since he has been gone the lack of a true leadoff hitter has hurt them.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Isn't Womack going to lead off this year?

Sporting News projects that it'll be:

Womack
Jeter
Arod
Sheffield
Matsui
Posada
Giambi
Williams
Sierra

[BCWWF]

Did they sign Womack?? I knew he was off the Cards but for some reason I thought he signed with the Cubs or the Reds or something. If they have Womack I think it will completely change the makeup of their team. Even though he isn't nearly as good as Jeter, A-Rod, Sheffield, or Matsui, his presence makes their batting that much better because they can go 5 deep now. I wonder what happens at first base, if Giambi has no power I don't see why you would use him at first over Tino. I would assume after the first 5 it goes: Posada, Tino, Williams, Sierra

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You're right that Jeter does a good job there, but if he batted second he would be a lot more effective. Really they have a lot of positions where they could find a good guy, first, second, catcher, center field, and DH are all average. The Yankees were completely based around their top 4 last season. Granted there aren't a lot of guys that would be worth them picking up to lead off, but its kind of stupid that they keep trying to add to their cluttered middle lineup. Chuck Knoblauch wasn't the best player, but he did a lot for the Yankees while he was there, and since he has been gone the lack of a true leadoff hitter has hurt them.They just signed Womack, so I guess he's more a "true" lead off guy but you aren't going to get a "true lead off guy" from somebody who plays 1st (they already have 2 1st basemen) catcher (got an all star there) or DH (usually a power guy)

Maybe center field, and moving Bernie to DH full time but I dunno.

[BCWWF]

I think Womack can do exactly what they need him too though. Look at the Cardinals last season, if their batting order started with Renteria instead of Womack, then Rolen, Edmonds, and Pujols would have been moved up in the order and everything would have been very different. Having a guy who can get on base before having your best players hits makes all of your best players very effective, at least in my opinion. Does that make sense what I am saying? I get the impression that I am not explaining myself.

[The Outlaw]

I just think it's funny that people call him a loser and not a winner. I guess I just don't agree with the whole you have to have a ring to be a winner. :-\

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think a lot of people say he isn't a winner because after he was traded from the Rangers they became playoff contenders. Anybody could have been playing 3rd for the Yankees and they still would have been winning

[BCWWF]

Theres more to it then just A-Rod leaving though. They had a lot of young players bound to break out.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

But thats what people look at. The Rangers improving, then the Yankees losing after going up 3-0.

Whatever though, New season. SUNDAY NIIIITE. Gonna be intresting to see how the Red Sox play after winning the championship last year.

[BCWWF]

Personally, I am not going to make a prediction but it really wouldn't surprise me if the Red Sox don't make the playoffs this year. I think they rely too much on guys who just aren't <i>that</i> good, like Millar and Mueller. I think they would have been better off keeping Cabrera and not signing Renteria, and even though their pitching may be deeper in 3-5, 1-2 won't be as strong even if Schilling comes back full. They very well could win the World Series again, but they remind me a lot of this years Timberwolves. You do great, but then bring back all of the breakout players, some with new contracts, and they just don't live up.

That being said, unlike in the past few years, I think the Yankee's now have a complete lineup and easilly the best team in baseball. Their five starters are unmatched, and now that they have a real second baseman and real leadoff hitter their lineup is complete now, instead of #2, #4, #4, #5, #9, #7, #8, #8, #9. On paper, the Yankees are amazing, and unlike years in the past I think they have their team built right this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well Jeter led off tonight and Womack is in the 9 hole.

Fucking Matsui robbed a homer :mad: 1-1 right now

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

2-1 bases loaded for Bernie Williams :mad:

[MVP]

Wells is out now. Rough night for him, I'm surprised he stayed past the 3rd.

[BCWWF]

I think this is going to be a great year in baseball. This game is pretty good so far.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn, rough game.

[Loose Cannon]

:wave:

We'll take the championship now I guess. Do we really need the other 161 games

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL

[Loose Cannon]

Tino is in :love:

Feels like old times

[BCWWF]

Tino seems to be having more impact then I though he would

[Dragon]

That was pretty great seeing Tino come in and right off make a good play at first.

[Boondock Saint]

Oh that was rather ugly.

[Innovator]

gotta love the reception for Giambi, and the ensuing hit

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah gotta love the reception for a proven 'roid head :y:

Can't wait to hear him get chewed out on the road, he deservers it.

[The Outlaw]

LOL Sanchez suspended for roids? Are you serious?

Is anyone else thinking...umm...it's a little suspicious that...a no name player was the first guy tested positive? And the fact that he is appealing it because he said he's never taken anything?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't find it suspicious at all. People always tag steriods with power numbers - why? You still need to be a gym rat to get big on 'roids. For a speed demon like Sanchez you are taking about quicker recovery time from leg injuries and stuff like that. Of course he is going to appeal - I'm not sure if hes guilty or not but people are going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he isn't huge.

[BCWWF]

OK Gammons

[The Outlaw]

Dunno, I was just thinking MLB needed a "guinea pig" of sorts.

Like so:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2029148

[Loose Cannon]

LOL

American League
EAST W L PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST NL L10 STRK
New York 2 0 1.000 - 2-0 0-0 2-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 2-0 W2
Baltimore 1 0 1.000 0.5 1-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 1-0 0-0 1-0 W1
Toronto 1 0 1.000 0.5 0-0 1-0 1-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 1-0 W1
Tampa Bay 0 1 .000 1.5 0-1 0-0 0-1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-1 L1
Boston 0 2 .000 2.0 0-0 0-2 0-2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-2 L2

[Loose Cannon]

Tampa Bay making a run

[McDoogle]

WOOOOOOOOO Blue Jays are goin to win the series!

[Excellance of Execution]

How bout them Yanks!!! On opening day the Sox should have just handed back the rings, because their coming back to the Yanks!!

[BCWWF]

Lol @ Rivera

[Gertner]

ohoh 2-0! Jays are gonna swep the lowly Sox. Must suck being in last place

[Triple A]

Damn, fucking Rivera.

[Dragon]

Damn, Rivera looked awful today, he was throwing all over the plate. That is like 4 blown saves in a row if you count last year.

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah Rivera was all over today.

Renteria slightly redeemed himself by the end of the day.

[The Outlaw]

Figured I'd save making a new topic


NEW YORK (AP) - Tampa Bay outfielder Alex Sanchez (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/85199) won't appeal his 10-day suspension for violating baseball's steroids policy, saying he was tripped up by a change in laws that made a supplement he took illegal.
Sanchez, the first player penalized under the tougher rules put in place last month, made his decision Thursday, four days after he was suspended by commissioner Bud Selig.


"I used an over-the-counter supplement that I purchased before the laws banning certain substances changed on January 15th," Sanchez said in a statement. "If I am guilty, I am guilty of not taking the initiative to learn more about the contents of what I was taking. Once my agent informed me that I had tested positive, I then started finding out what was in my supplements. Then, and only then, did I find out about the particular ingredients of this supplement."

Sanchez's suspension began Monday, when Tampa Bay played Toronto in its season opener. Because suspensions for violating baseball's rules on performance-enhancing drugs are without pay, Sanchez will lose $32,787 of his $600,000 salary.

"He did not knowingly take any banned substance," said Michael Weiner, general counsel of the Major League Baseball Players Association. "We respect Alex's decision to forgo an appeal, and he has our full support."

Several substances that previously were available over the counter were made prescription drugs as of Jan. 15 under federal legislation and were added to baseball's banned list. Under baseball's drug rules, the sport doesn't announce the specific substance a player tested positive for. Thirty-eight players were suspended Monday for violating baseball's minor league drug policy. In addition, Pittsburgh announced Wednesday that three of its minor leaguers are being suspended under the drug rules.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nice job A-Rod

Hes a winner though

[The Outlaw]

True

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Veritek with another homer tonight. Plus the Yankees lgot hammered by The O's. Both teams are now 2-2 :cool:

[Gertner]

Take that up the ass Boomer. Zaun> Varitek.

[YOUR Hero]

Back to back to back HRs by the Jays over Wells today = Toronto win.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Today's game will probably be the highlight of the Blue Jays season. Nice work

[MVP]

LOL Stima

[Gertner]

no tommrorow's will when Lilly shuts your asses down.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He can shut the Red Sox down all the way to the basement of the AL East. I really don't care if the Sox win or not tomorrow. I'll talk you guys at the end of the season.

Gertner you had good taste in football atleast, not the case in baseball though.

[YOUR Hero]

Oh Stima, for someone who cried "please let the Red Sox win the world series at least once before I die", you sure have become cocky now. I might just have to keep an eye on you closely this baseball season, maybe make you eat some words.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No, I would have been saying this last year too and the year before that. Since the Red Sox where much better last year, and the year before that aswell.

I don't put much stock into April that's all. I remember the Red Sox going 8-2 againest the Yankees to start the season and taking a 5 game lead in the AL East or something like that then they ended up being out of 1st place by 10 games. It's early...REAL early. I wasn't going to be surprised with win from the Jays rhough. They had their #1 ace going, not to mention one of the best pitchers in MLB. I could be eating my words but I highly doubt the Blue Jays will finish ahead of the Red Sox when all is said and done.

[Champion of Europa]

Originally posted by Champion of Europa:
Fuck the Blue Jays

[The Icon of Elisim]

You guys are just jealous

JAYS RULE

[BCWWF]

I'm the one who called the Sox missing the playoffs

[Gertner]

Jays will finish higher then the Sox.

[Gertner]

I had them going 162-0 but i think i may be off by a few games

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm the one who called the Sox missing the playoffsRed Sox would still finish higher than the Jays if that did happen - thus proving my point I would not be eating my words.

Too bad The Red Sox couldn't be more like the Twins though, lose in the 1st round every year :shifty:

[YOUR Hero]

I'm not saying the Jays will be ahead of the RedSox come the end of the year, but to say the Jays suck (simply because they haven't won the World Series in.... 10-11 years), is pretty stupid. I get the feeling you think if a team isn't winning, they shouldn't have any fans.

The talk you talk is basically stating the Sox will win the WS again. If they don't then you're eating your words, you're not safe by simply finishing higher then the lowly Jays.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Current AL East standings

Toronto
Tampa Bay
Baltimore
New York
Boston

Hinske was great today

[Loose Cannon]

those standing are cute, arent they?

[YOUR Hero]

Well I wouldn't be at all surprised if those standings were flipped come September.

[The Icon of Elisim]

those standing are cute, arent they?
You guys are beating Boston, I thought that was all that mattered

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm not saying the Jays will be ahead of the RedSox come the end of the year, but to say the Jays suck (simply because they haven't won the World Series in.... 10-11 years), is pretty stupid. I get the feeling you think if a team isn't winning, they shouldn't have any fans.

The talk you talk is basically stating the Sox will win the WS again. If they don't then you're eating your words, you're not safe by simply finishing higher then the lowly Jays.
Way to take it personal. Its called talking smack, you haven't been involded in the football topics as much the last 2 years so you probably aren't used to it. Somebody says something about my team, I come back with a reply. I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape over it.

Are the Red Sox going to win the World Series? I don't know, it will be tough. Yankees are looking real good this year, and the AL East IS the strongest division in all of baseball with the Yanks and Sox probably battling for the top spot. Then you had the O's with their crazy offense. Devil Rays and Jays aren't pushovers either. Honestly today I am disappointed with the loss. I was figuring the Sox would take 2 outta 3 in this series.

I never realized Hudson was so amazing at 2nd base. Some of the plays he as made this past series where pretty hot. Another thing, what's up with the huge neon board in the outfield now? It was neon yellow and it looked like Johnny Damon disapeared in it. It was ridiculous - not to mention he cut his elbow on it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Whatever though - Ring presentation tomorrow in Fenway. I heard D.Lowe will be coming back for it. I wonder who else will be there

[The Icon of Elisim]

Ellis Burks and Curtis Lescanick will be there

And yeah Hudson is great, I really hope they can lock him up. If not they can convert Russ Adams or Aaron Hill to second base, but I love Orlando.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Maybe they can get Lescanick back and get rid of these new guys that gave up 8 runs in yesterdays game

[YOUR Hero]

Why'd you think I took it so personal? I was just posting a thought. Come on now.

[YOUR Hero]

..Orlando Hudson should have won the Gold Glove at 2B last year. The new sign was sanded down yesterday, made it's corners rounder, softer...

[Gertner]

I totally agree. Boone wopn it on reputation. 2 out of 3. not bad. get used to it Stima. Toronto starting 5 > Bo Sox

[BCWWF]

The Gold Gloves are such bullshit, last time I said it was when people started to hate me on here. I think it was in 2003, Koskie and Mientkiewicz were both amazing in the field, not just consistant but making some spectacular plays aswell, but they lost on reputation to Chavez, who I admit is a better fielder but he missed like half the season, and then John Olerud, which was rediculous.

[Gertner]

Olerud is incredible in the field though

[BCWWF]

He is consistant, but he doesn't make the kind of plays Doug can

[McDoogle]

Yup Jays to win the world series people.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Mientkiewicz is the best defensive first baseman in MLB. Hands down.

[Gertner]

he definitley is now......... next to hinske.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

World Series Champion is coming out of the AL East

[MVP]

FUCK Orlando Hudson damnit. :rant:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Fenway fans give Rivera a standing O. Hilarious shit.

Today was the greatest home opener in the history of baseball.

[The Icon of Elisim]

The Rivera standing O was great, I wish I got home in time to see that

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I also liked the A-Rod chants after Rodriquez messed up a blew another chance to end an inning but instead he got an error.

[BCWWF]

This sounds like its going to be a fun season between these teams. In a way I like that we get this action now, but the same thing with the Pats-Colts game, I wish it was later in the season and had more meaning.

[BCWWF]

BTW!!! I am going to the Royals game on Saturday against the Tigers, and they are giving away batting practice jerseys to the first 20,000 people there. The name on it is for their new catcher, I forget what it is right now. Should be KILLA.

Love ya Stima!

[Boondock Saint]

The Fenway fans give Rivera a standing O. Hilarious shit.

Today was the greatest home opener in the history of baseball.


Hilarious. So awesome. Good times had by all.

[Loose Cannon]

Get Off my Royals Jersey BCWWF.

[Gertner]

Jays 10 A's 3

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This sounds like its going to be a fun season between these teams. In a way I like that we get this action now, but the same thing with the Pats-Colts game, I wish it was later in the season and had more meaning.
I am pretty sure the Sox/Yanks play each other in a 3 game series at the very end of the year.

[BCWWF]

Get Off my Royals Jersey BCWWF.
I'll take a picture in my mesh batting practice jersey for you http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Loose Cannon]

god, like 2 weeks in and my blood pressure is already 20X higher. They got to stop with all this Boston/NY. It's just instant anger for me. Even if the Yankees are winning, I'm still angry for some reason. Especially when they play in Fenway.

They play in May again by the way.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn some fan hit Sheffield in the face and I missed it. FUCK haha

I did see the end of the game though. Fucking Foulke always has to do that, bases loaded. I thought for sure A-Rod put it over the green monster. Whatever though, Foulke gets the job done, just always scares the shit out of me.

[Gertner]

Jay 2- Rangers 1. Halladay for Cy Young.

[YOUR Hero]

Nah, he took a swing at him and missed. I dunno, hard to tell if the fan tried to hit him, looks like he wanted to pretend he wanted to and then actually came real close to doing it. Jerk move, but Sheff didn't need to react in that way... but then, at least Sheff didn't jump into the stands or throw a chair or something ridiculous.

[BCWWF]

It didn't look like either hit the other, but didn't Sheff go back into the stands after he threw it? I didn't see that part again.

[BCWWF]

BEER WAS THROWN

[BCWWF]

I dunno, Red Sox have had the World Series win go to their head. At the same time though, I get the impression that they have the mental advantage over the Yankees right now. Who wins?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL saw the highlight. Looked hilarious. Everybody is going to overact though, I know it. Nothing even happened, I don't think anybody was even touched either way.

[Innovator]

Of all the Yanks to try and take a swipe at, the fan picks the one who still juices

[BCWWF]

Sheffield is one of the Yankee's I respect the most, and also one of them that I would take a swipe at last.

[Innovator]

The best part of the whole thing is the guy on the left in the stands who falls back :lol:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I work at a packy part time, and one of the guys I was working with tonight knows the guy who threw the beer. He works with him at his full time job during the day. I guess the guy is shitting his pants though if he gets found out since he has a state job.

[SammyG]

D O D G E R S

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why do people keep coming into this topic talking about shit unrelated to the Red Sox?

BTW Manny 6 RBIs last niiiiiiiiite

[Gertner]

Chacin 3-0 . Chacin for rookie of the year

[Ruien]

White Sox > Red Sox.

Theirfore,

White Sox = Sox

Red Sox = RSox

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sox 12
Jays 6

Top of the 9th

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sox roll on..

Schilling with 10 K's today

[Boondock Saint]

SOXX

Hopefully gonna goto more than one game this summer.

[Adder]

What an ugly game yesterday. Even though the Red Sox won, and Manny had 2 HRs, the Jays out hit them and Manny's 2 errors seem to be getting overlooked.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox played like shit and still doubled the run out put by the Jays. I don't see how that is a bad thing for the Sox.

[YOUR Hero]

Jays are so much better than the Red Sox.

[BCWWF]

I love how one win by the Yankees and Red Sox made their fans cocky again, and then they went out and lost the next day. The Devil Rays just beat Randy Johnson, thats not a good sign no matter how many runs you put up the day before.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I love how its April and people are talking like its September or something.

I highly doubt the Yankees will be playing this bad for long. AL East is real tough this year though - should be intresting to see where the wildcard is coming from.

[Loose Cannon]

Oh, you think I wouldn't see the comment in here BCWWF? I see it.

Divisional Playoffs > Twins

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn Tampa Bay with the Walk off homer :(

[MVP]

Hey, how about Jay Payton? He better be seeing more playing time after that Grand Slam.

And Lance Carter is a fucking dick. :rant:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Payton plays a lot man. He has already started pretty decent amount of games since Trot Nixon cannot hit left handed pitching.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Arroyooooooooooo

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Everytime a pitcher makes his debut againest the Sox it seems like the Sox get hammered. Kinda made a comeback though, so whatever.

Smoltz today :mad:

[The Miz]

Keith Foulke is the man :shifty:

[The Outlaw]

Thank you Wilson Betemit. :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Clement baby

[MVP]

Mueller :love:

[BCWWF]

I didn't realize that the Red Sox we're just right behind Baltimore

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea Yanks are making ground too tho

[BCWWF]

One of the two, Yankees or Red Sox, will not make the playoffs this year. I just can't see it happening

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea probably not. Will be tough for the Wildcard to come out of the east - said the samething last year tho

[MoRcHeEbA]

ARROYHOOOOOOOO

[SammyG]

AAAAAALIYAHLEYLAHHLYAHAHH

[Gertner]

Jays are gonna win the division. lol! Jays pitching staff > then any piece of shit the sox throw out there

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think the Sox will recover from this slump......hopefully. Playing like shit. Jays aren't winning the divison though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Don't think I forgot about this ishhhh

Red Sox put it on the Pirates today WOOP

[BCWWF]

Lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox end the Indians 9 game winning streak

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox = 1st place in the AL East :cool:

[MVP]

8-0

SEE YA LATER BALTIMORE

[Innovator]

The Yankees are writing the book on how to lose. Our starting pitching can't get the job done anymore, even if they do the bats don't come around

[Innovator]

I MEAN 3 SAC FLIES IN ONE INNING! CMON!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I saw that. Nice job Bernie

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

HOW BOUT THEM SOX

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Clement 9-1 woop

[The Miz]

Oh yeha well Roy halladay will start the All Star game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MVP]

Sox/Phillies Game 3 is over

Manny hit his 19th Grand Slam to make it 7-0

[PureHatred]

About three weeks ago, I was shopping ManRam in my fantasy league and almost dealt him for Sexson and an arm. Thank god I didn't make that deal.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://amerika.nu/graphics/boston_red_sox_parade_manny_ramirez_600x551.jpg

[The Miz]

DUCK

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Duck boats kiddd

[BCWWF]

Lol @ Duck

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"It was a bad day of work," he said. "I've always said the hardest thing is to come in here and face my teammates (rather) than worry about Johnny from Burger King booing me."

:|

Foulke gave up a grand slam in the 9th to lose it tonight, fucking kidding me? What is the deal with the bullpen - if they could get there shit together Red Sox would be running away with the AL East.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Schilling :(

[Triple A]

<img src="http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/aim/aimcool.gif">

[BCWWF]

Psh, Triple A you should be a Mets fan

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

<img src="http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/aim/aimcool.gif">Inside the Park homerun.....

http://images.sportsline.com/u/gettyimages/photos/52267090JM005_RedSox_Yankee071520_lower.jpg
Fuckin right doggy

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox > White Sox

[Loose Cannon]

Psh, Triple A you should be a Mets fan

He is. He likes both

[YOUR Hero]

Manny is asking to be traded... again.

[VonErich Lives]

Manny is asking to be traded... again.

Yeah, I think he's missing a small detail, the Sox tried to waive him once, get nothing in return and no one took him.

He has too much money and too many years left.

3 teams could really handle his payroll.

The Sox where he wants out of.
The Yanks who wouldn't trade with the Sox and he wants out of Boston because he doesn't get enough privacy, would get less in NY.
The Mets, who don't get along with the sox front office and see above on privacy.

This is reported to be the 3rd time he's asked for this.

The "rumor" is, his wife is pregnant again and some media started asking about it, and he got pissed. Last time his wife was pregnant he got pissed when it was reported and after the birth when asked if he had a boy or girl responded something about "That's my personal business" or something like that.

That being said, he asked for a "Day off" last week, and Francona said we need you how about Wednesday. Well, now Weds is here, Trot goes on the DL, Francona asked Manny if he could play tonight, since tomorrow is an off day and Manny said he still needed the day off.

What's interesting is Francona is a "players manager" and takes the heat for everyone else. Well, Francona in the pre-game hung manny out, said he went to Manny and Manny said he still needed the day off.

Also, Rumor is Kevin Millar asked for be delt a few weeks ago (ok, the word is his agent called and asked, that way Millar could go around and say "I never asked to be delt"). Now, in the past when Manny really gets out of wack, Millar has been the guy who pulls him aside and says "Hey, stop acting like a jackass" and Manny listens to him and responds. So, it's interesting if that happens this time, or possible Schilling says something stupid to the press which will probably piss Manny off.

That all being said, the Sox have pitching problems, no closer, 1 setup guy, no long relief, questionable SP, injuries, players in slump, bad fielding and a 3B coach who needs his arms nailed to his sides.

But, they're still in 1st place, and I think around the same record as last season.

I doubt you'll see the Sox and Yanks in the playoffs, I just think the AL East is going to beat itself up so much that the Div winner goes and the other doesn't get a Wild Card.

[The Miz]

Mariners get:
Manny Ramirez

Red Sox get:
Gil Meche
Pat Borders


Should be finalized later on today

[YOUR Hero]

Pat Borders, a World Series MVP, just like Manny. Sounds like an even trade.

[RoXer]

Wha--what? What is going on in the world?

[MVP]

Where are you guys finding this information? I can't find anything that suggests Manny wants to be traded.

[MoRcHeEbA]

sports illustrated kidddddddddddddddddd

[MoRcHeEbA]

didn't the Red Sox trade him for A-rod and the PA shut them down.. lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah because A-Rod was going to make less money or something. I am glad it got shut down though. Seeing how Manny was busy winning a World Series MVP award while A-Rod was being a little bitch smacking the ball out of Arroyo's glove.

I really don't think Manny wants to be traded, he probably just got pissed about the media and said it. I really don't think he wants to go, his best friend in the majors is on the team. He looks like he is having a great time. I would have agreed 2 seasons ago, but not anymore.

[MoRcHeEbA]

SOUDS LIKE YOU'RE SCARED STIMA34

[VonErich Lives]

Does he want to be delt, sure.

To a place like KC or Tampa where he thinks he can walk down the street and no one will know him.

20-25mil a year, ain't gonna happen.

This happens every few months. He makes a bunch of stupid moves (going into the monster during an inning, not running out hits, fielding errors) and the media gets on him and he gets all defensive. Combine this with Millar not being happy and the media asking about his wife being pregnant.

He'll hit a few non-clutch home runs in the next week or two and all will be foregotten.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL yea Manny is known for non-clutch Homeruns


Still a Manny hater I see.

[MoRcHeEbA]

still on his nuts I see ;)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol nah but he is one of my favorites on the Sox. Rockin' a Manny shirt right now actaully

Everybody hates on him because he does dumb things, so what? He's fucking nasty. He was the World Series MVP.

When he does fuck up, its hilarious anyways. Cutting off Johnny Damons throw is probably one of the funniest things i've ever seen in a baseball game.

[Boondock Saint]

No way do I want Manny to go.

Millar on the other hand...the sooner the better.

[VonErich Lives]

LOL yea Manny is known for non-clutch Homeruns


Still a Manny hater I see.

No, never have been a Manny hater.

But he makes too many stupid plays. He's a liability in the field and on the bases.
Plus, this most recent "I need a day off" even though the next day the whole team was off, and the starting RF was on the DL is complete crap. He's one of the more selfish players I've ever seen.

However, he's a terror at bat.

Stima, the problem is, you see a Grandslam or a towering homerun or all the RBI's and think he's the best.

He is a great hitter, but look at his stats when the games on the line. Look at his stats with runner in scoring position.

Look at the ALCS yeah, he was 9 for 30, with a double and 0 homeruns and 0 rbi.

Yeah, he was WS MVP, but there were a few that could have had that title.
Manny - 7/17, 1HR, 4RBI, 3SO
Mueller - 6/14, 0HR, 2RBI, 0SO
Ortiz - 4/13, 1HR, 4RBI, 1SO.
Bellhorn - 3/10, 1HR, 4RBI, 2SO
Nixon - 5/14, 0HR, 3RBI, 1SO

You act like Manny carried the team and won them the WS, which wasn't the case.

Again, he's a great hitter, but that's where it ends. He's a selfish non-team player, that costs his teams wins in the field and on the basepath.

Would I trade him? Doubt it, would have to be a great deal, or a deal that free's a lot of money and there's someone out there (or two players) I'd spend the money on.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought he was leading the majors with 2 out RBIs? Plus he has a high batting average with runners in scoring position this year. Also if he can't produce with runners in scoring position why is he tops in the league with RBIs?

Manny isn't a great outfielder, but I have yet to see a game this year where he cost the team a game. Take his bat out of the lineup and the Red Sox have a lot less wins.

He isn't a media favorite obviously, so if he says something like that after a game they are going to jump all over it. While Millar uses a scumbag way of asking for a trade and people are fine with it becuase Millar is a media favorite. So he doesn't get as much bad press.

[VonErich Lives]

I thought he was leading the majors with 2 out RBIs? Plus he has a high batting average with runners in scoring position this year. Also if he can't produce with runners in scoring position why is he tops in the league with RBIs?

Manny isn't a great outfielder, but I have yet to see a game this year where he cost the team a game. Take his bat out of the lineup and the Red Sox have a lot less wins.

He isn't a media favorite obviously, so if he says something like that after a game they are going to jump all over it. While Millar uses a scumbag way of asking for a trade and people are fine with it becuase Millar is a media favorite. So he doesn't get as much bad press.

You're still missing "Clutch" See: David Ortiz.

Look at how many runs he scores when the games not close, look at the ALCS.

Manny actually is pretty popular with the media, and ANYONE pulled what he just did, sitting out when he had the next game off and Trot's out, everyone would be on his case.

Yeah, w/o his Bat that might cost a few games, but how many would we make up with a guy who makes less fielding mistakes, less base running mistakes, runs hard to first base.

If you can get the right deal, trade'em. If you can't get good value, or free up money to sign someone big, then I wouldn't move'em.

"It's just Manny being Manny"

[MoRcHeEbA]

you guys are both missing the big picture... The Jays are about to run away with the AL east this half of the year :cool:

[VonErich Lives]

you guys are both missing the big picture... The Jays are about to run away with the AL east this half of the year :cool:

So, Cheebs, you going to watch NHL Hockey when it's back?

[YOUR Hero]

BOSTON (AP) - Manny Ramirez (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/84946)'s trade request will be difficult to honor because of his contract, Boston Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588) president Larry Lucchino said Thursday.

Lucchino also said he didn't know the left fielder's motivation for refusing manager Terry Francona's request to play Wednesday afternoon's game at Tampa Bay after another outfielder, Trot Nixon (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/84952), was sidelined with a strained muscle in his side. Before the injury, Francona told Ramirez he could have the day off.

"It's hard to know if the events of the last couple of days are the result of sort of psychological and physical needs for a sustained period of rest or it's some calculation or some move to encourage us to trade him," Lucchino told WEEI radio on his regularly scheduled segment.

Lucchino and Ramirez's agent, Scott Parker, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment. Team owner John Henry and general manager Theo Epstein did not respond to e-mails, and the Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588) clubhouse was locked on their day off Thursday.

Ramirez is batting .275 with 28 homers and a major league-leading 92 RBIs for the Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588), who lead the AL East by 1 1/2 games over the New York Yankees (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71596). He is due $57 million over the remaining three years of his contract.

On Tuesday, Sports Illustrated reported on its Web site that Ramirez, for at least the third time in four seasons, had asked to be traded. The report said he told club officials he was unhappy in Boston, especially with an off-field lack of privacy.

The Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588) will explore trading him before Sunday's deadline, but that will be tough, Lucchino said.

"Because of the size of his contract, obviously, it's hard," he said. "There aren't a lot of clubs that are going to be interested, but it depends how little you're willing to take in return with respect to trades. I'm not talking about Manny specifically, although it certainly applies to him."

A club might want to make a deal if it asks the Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588) to pay 95 percent of Ramirez's salary, "but that's not a particularly intelligent thing for us to do," Lucchino said.

He also said this is the fourth straight season in which Ramirez has requested a trade "and our general response was, 'it's that time of year' and we'll explore it as we explore other trades."

Boston may resist trading Ramirez because it is short in the outfield. With Nixon on the 15-day disabled list and Ramirez not playing, Francona used first baseman Kevin Millar (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/85932) in left field and rookie Adam Stern (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/285693) in right Wednesday.

Despite leading the division, Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588) officials would like to improve their postseason chances with a trade. Last year, Epstein sent shortstop Nomar Garciaparra (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/84953) to the Chicago Cubs (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71602) at the deadline. "It is the time of year when you consider all manner of trades," Lucchino said. "Theo is certainly willing to be bold and make moves that other GMs might shy away from, so this is the time for us to think about trades and, certainly, Manny's name will come up from time to time, I'm sure, in the next 72 hours."

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3835954

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You're still missing "Clutch" See: David Ortiz.

Look at how many runs he scores when the games not close, look at the ALCS.

Manny actually is pretty popular with the media, and ANYONE pulled what he just did, sitting out when he had the next game off and Trot's out, everyone would be on his case.

Yeah, w/o his Bat that might cost a few games, but how many would we make up with a guy who makes less fielding mistakes, less base running mistakes, runs hard to first base.

If you can get the right deal, trade'em. If you can't get good value, or free up money to sign someone big, then I wouldn't move'em.

"It's just Manny being Manny"Running hard to first base is my favorite Manny diss. He did on a groundball out, nobody pointed out when Ortiz struck out in Chicago and the ball went all the way to the backstop and just stood there and let himself get tagged.

Manny didn't run hard through a rountine group ball though, what a terrible player!

I think his bat has won a lot more games than his glove has lost. He very inconsistent in the field, but he will pull a great play out of his ass here and there. Also he has a cannon of an arm, so you gotta take that into account. Nobodys perfect, Johhny Damon throws like a girl but he's a great lead off man with a ton of speed in the bases/in the field so that out weighs the fact that his throw takes 8 boucnes to make it to home plate.

[YOUR Hero]

Manny has a cannon of an arm? LOL And don't try the "look how many outfield assists he has this year" stuff either. People run on him because they don't respect his outfield ability.

[weather vane]

Manny is sick no matter what you guys say. Yeah he's not the greatest fielder but who gives a shit. He is worth every penny they spent on him and I will be sad to see him go. Too many of my favorites have left over the years. Nomar, Clemens, Greenwell, Vaughn and now Manny? The need to keep him and keep him happy at the same time.

[MVP]

I bet none of you guys would be hating on Manny if he was on your favorite team.

Fact of the matter is that he can produce runs, which help win games. Everybody makes errors in the field, but not everyone leads the league in RBI's.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Manny has a cannon of an arm? LOL And don't try the "look how many outfield assists he has this year" stuff either. People run on him because they don't respect his outfield ability.
Nah he really does have a pretty good arm though. I have seen him get a few cheap assists this year but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a good arm.

I remember againest the Jays, he almost threw out Hillenbrand after he over ran 2nd. It was a lazer right to the 2nd basemen.

[CNM]

Manny has a decent arm for a left fielder. Personally, I think all the shit Manny pulls is hilarious. That's just me though.

[The Miz]

Billy Wagner might be headed to Boston for Bronson Arroyo

[YOUR Hero]

I like Manny, BTW, always have. I'm just not blind about his inabilities.






Billy Wagner might be headed to Boston for Bronson ArroyoIf I was giving up Wagner, I'd want a lot more in return than Arroyo.

[VonErich Lives]

Manny is sick no matter what you guys say. Yeah he's not the greatest fielder but who gives a shit. He is worth every penny they spent on him and I will be sad to see him go. Too many of my favorites have left over the years. Nomar, Clemens, Greenwell, Vaughn and now Manny? The need to keep him and keep him happy at the same time.

Of course, cause Defense has nothing to do with baseball.

Stima, Manny NEVER runs hard to first.

Again, I like Manny, but he is way overpayed. The market had spiked, and Duqette freaked out when the Yanks got Mussina.

As for the others you listed.

Nomar didn't leave, he was traded and a trade that helped the sox win a WS and since he's been injured.

Clemens left, and then has had stats that blew away the last couple years he had with the Sox. Would he have been that motivated if he stayed in Boston?

Greenwell? What did he do after Boston?

Mo Vaughn, yeah, he claimed "It's not about the money" they signed for the biggest check, put on 100lbs and got injured and is now a tax/insurance write-off for the Mets.

So, the latest rumor is a 3way deal. Manny goes to the Mets, the Red Sox get Cameron and 2 prospects (Tampa Bay is the 3rd team).

If this is true, it sucks for this year, clearly Camerons bat is nothing like Manny's. However 2 prosspects and more importantly 20mil a year free that allows to re-sign Damon and go after a decent LF.

ok, I'm off to the game!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I didn't want Nomar to be traded either and that turned out really well so who knows. I don't think the Mets can pick up another contract like Manny's tho

[VonErich Lives]

I didn't want Nomar to be traded either and that turned out really well so who knows. I don't think the Mets can pick up another contract like Manny's tho

Yeah, I don't know the Mets Finances, but I would think having Pedro, Beltran and Manny on the books for 3-5 years.

For me, it depends on what we do with the money. If they just shave payroll I'd be pissed. If they spend the 20mil to resign Damon, resign Muellar and maybe pick up a LF.

Although there was talk at one point of turning Hanley Rameriez into an OF, I don't like that, he (when ready) goes to SS and Renteria goes to 2B would work better, plus Renteria has already said he's fine playing 2B whenever Hanley is ready to come up.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought Renteria was fine playing 3rd? Hopefully he said 2nd and I just heard it wrong though. That would work out a lot better