How RAW could achieve 7.0 ratings (without Batista, Triple H, and Orton)

[Truth Commission]

I've been thinking more and more about the lottery draft coming up, and I've had some realistic.....and not so realistic thoughts about what could happen. I think it's safe to say that this would fall in the latter category. :-).

Let's pretend that the following happened:

To Smackdown
-Triple H
-Dave Batista
-Randy Orton
-Trish Stratus
-Lita
-Christy Hemme

To RAW
-Kurt Angle
-Eddie Guerrero
-Rey Mysterio
-Charlie Hass
-Billy Kidman
-Paul London


So basically - Smackdown would have almost all of the women in the company (and they could have somewhat of a women's divison), why RAW would now have the Cruiserweight division (along with Kidman and London, there would be Taijiri and Hurricane).


Smackdown would basically be MARK city. John Cena, JBL, Big Show, Dave Batista, Randy Orton, Triple H, Booker T, Carlitto Carribbean Cool, Undertaker, Dudleys, and RVD would be great for marks. Most marks would love the potential rivalry between Cena/Batista or Cena/Orton, etc. Since most of the women would be on Smackdown, they could actually have a division (not just revolving around Trish and Lita).

Brock Lesnar (if he comes back) could also be a part of Smackdown. Lesnar, Orton, Cena, and Batista on the same show would make things VERY VERY interesting for marks.


RAW on the other hand, could become a great place for quality wrestling. Angle, Guerrero, HBK, Benoit, Benjamin, Jericho, Hass, Edge, Christian, Davari, Mysterio, London, etc.


In short - RAW would cater towards the smarks, while Smackdown could cater towards the marks.


Since Smackdown would have 95% of the women in the company, they could have more of the "soap opera" type stuff.

RAW on the other hand, could be the perfect place to integrate the "cruisers" with the main-eventers. Guys like London, Kidman, and Mysterio would mesh well with Edge, HBK, Christian, Jericho, Benoit, etc.


I think a set-up like this would really give both shows a more DISTINCTIVE identity (something that the roster arguably doesn't have right now).

-Smackdown would be a haven for marks
-RAW would be a haven for smarks.

Guys like Rock, Foley, etc. can appear on Smackdown when given the opportunity.


RAW's core
-Kane (RAW should have atleast one "big man")
-HBK
-Angle
-Benoit
-Jericho
-Guerrero
-Mysterio
-Benjamin
-Edge
-Christian
-Davari
-Hussan
-Hass
-London
-Kidman
-etc.

Smackdown
-Cena
-Triple H
-Batista
-Orton
-Lesnar (if he comes back)
-Undertaker
-Booker T
-Big Show
-RVD
-Carlitto Carribbean Cool
-Trish Stratus
-Torrie Wilson
-Stacy Kiebler


I dunno - This will never happen, but I think a set-up like this would totally own. The more I think about it, the more I believe that *BOTH* Raw and Smackdown would benefit GREATLY.

[The CyNick]

I would think SD's ratings would jump and RAW's would sink.

The fan who likes wrestling, as in what happens in the ring, will never be enough to get a 7 rating. The reason why WWE used to get close to those numbers was because they were able to offer enough good wrestling to keep the hardcore fans happy, but also other stuff to draw the casual fan (Hulkamania, the NWO, Austin, Rock, etc).

IF you look at Batista, he's doing really strong numbers on RAW, and he's no gem in the ring. Just for whatever reason (he was actually booked properly) the fans are taking to him.

I dont think a bunch of really great in-ring wrestling matches will ever do huge business, if it did, ECW would still be in business, heck so would WCW. Its not that simple.

[Savio]

No Cy he's telling the truth...its in his nature.

[Kane Knight]

You REALLY don't want to move the Divas and Orton to the same show.

[PullMyFinger]

You don't think a lot of other people are thinking of ways to get Raw a 7.0 rating?

Also, your idea for Raw would make the ratings sink to all time new lows! Which mark would ever want to watch a show purely on wrestling? If that were the case, SD! (although a shitty example) would grab extremely high ratings!

[Truth Commission]

You don't think a lot of other people are thinking of ways to get Raw a 7.0 rating?

Also, your idea for Raw would make the ratings sink to all time new lows! Which mark would ever want to watch a show purely on wrestling? If that were the case, SD! (although a shitty example) would grab extremely high ratings!


You are thinking like a penis eating homosexual.

First off, who says it would ONLY be about wrestling?

Jericho, Angle, and Guerrero are way the fuck over with the fans. Jericho and Guerrero, when pushed right, are arguably the two most popular superstars in the entire WWE.


Wrestling would be the main focal point on RAW, but its not like it would be devoid of intriguing characters, sports-entertainment, etc.




As far as Smackdown goes, that would REALLY take off.......with so many big names on the show.



As far as RAW goes, the cruisers on that show would be far more integrated with the rest of the roster....and would be able to get 'over' quicker.

A guy like London and Taijiri for instance, would have a much easier times working with the likes of Jericho, Christian, Eddie, etc., as opposed to what we see now on Smackdown. What we see right now, is cruisers not being really able to work with anyone else.....due to the complete contrast in styles.


My idea is perfect....in every way. Nuff said.

[Kane Knight]

I don't know why you'd equate "soap Opera" with women.

Most of the "soap opera" stuff on Raw is oriented towards guys, and drives the whole genre of wrestling. Do you really think women want to see catfights? Arguments that border on softcore porn foreplay?

Conversely, Most people on this board seem to prefer Raw, with the deciding factor being the storylines. Very soapish quite often. As others have said, why take that away when trying to bolster ratings?

Also, why put people like Lesnar, whose primary talents are their ring abilities, on the "Soap Opera" show?

[Kane Knight]

You are thinking like a penis eating homosexual.

First off, who says it would ONLY be about wrestling?

Jericho, Angle, and Guerrero are way the fuck over with the fans. Jericho and Guerrero, when pushed right, are arguably the two most popular superstars in the entire WWE.


Wrestling would be the main focal point on RAW, but its not like it would be devoid of intriguing characters, sports-entertainment, etc.




As far as Smackdown goes, that would REALLY take off.......with so many big names on the show.



As far as RAW goes, the cruisers on that show would be far more integrated with the rest of the roster....and would be able to get 'over' quicker.

A guy like London and Taijiri for instance, would have a much easier times working with the likes of Jericho, Christian, Eddie, etc., as opposed to what we see now on Smackdown. What we see right now, is cruisers not being really able to work with anyone else.....due to the complete contrast in styles.


My idea is perfect....in every way. Nuff said.
Has anyone seen Heyman lately?

[Savio]

Also, why put people like Lesnar, whose primary talents are their ring abilities, on the "Soap Opera" show?So he can job to HHH.

[Truth Commission]

I don't know why you'd equate "soap Opera" with women.

If you weren't a dipshit, then perhaps you'd understand. Unless you're watching 'Queer as Folk', all soap opera stuff have women in it. Stephanie/Angle/HHH, Lita/Matt/Kane, Jericho/Trish/Christian, Savage/Hogan/Elizabeth, are just a few examples.


Conversely, Most people on this board seem to prefer Raw, with the deciding factor being the storylines. Very soapish quite often. As others have said, why take that away when trying to bolster ratings?

Not in the past. Up until recent weeks, RAW has exceeded Smackdown in BOTH wrestling and storylines. In 2003 however, Smackdown was superior in wrestling. People liked Smackdown and RAW almost equally.

Also, why put people like Lesnar, whose primary talents are their ring abilities, on the "Soap Opera" show?

If gives the show some well-roundedness. On RAW with my set-up, you'd still have Kane as your hoss.


On Smackdown, you'd have Lesnar as one guy who can wrestle....amongst a few others.


Furthermore - Lesnar debuted around the same time as Cena, Orton, and Batista. The rivalries that could stem with each of those guys, would be priceless.

Lesnar vs. Batista would be HUGE.



There IS no lottery draft idea that would be better than my idea.

[Kane Knight]

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That's some good irony thurrrrrr

[Savio]

K heyman.

[PullMyFinger]

If you weren't a dipshit, then perhaps you'd understand. Unless you're watching 'Queer as Folk', all soap opera stuff have women in it. Stephanie/Angle/HHH, Lita/Matt/Kane, Jericho/Trish/Christian, Savage/Hogan/Elizabeth, are just a few examples.




Not in the past. Up until recent weeks, RAW has exceeded Smackdown in BOTH wrestling and storylines. In 2003 however, Smackdown was superior in wrestling. People liked Smackdown and RAW almost equally.



If gives the show some well-roundedness. On RAW with my set-up, you'd still have Kane as your hoss.


On Smackdown, you'd have Lesnar as one guy who can wrestle....amongst a few others.


Furthermore - Lesnar debuted around the same time as Cena, Orton, and Batista. The rivalries that could stem with each of those guys, would be priceless.

Lesnar vs. Batista would be HUGE.



There IS no lottery draft idea that would be better than my idea.
After I read the first paragraph in your reply, I realized you were an idiot.

Btw, your lottery idea was a piece of shit.

[Kane Knight]

After I read the first paragraph in your reply, I realized you were an idiot.
He's not an idiot, he's just trolling. He knows exactly what he's doing, whether or not he's Heyman.

[PullMyFinger]

Lesnar/HHH is another feud that hasn't been done.....and would be a hit amongst marks.


HHH/Cena
HHH/Lesnar
Batista/Lesnar
Batista/Undertaker
Batista/Big Show
Orton/Cena

are just a few of the "dream" matches that we could see on Smackdown.


Jericho/Angle
Jericho/Guerrero
Jericho/Mysterio

along with others that we've already seen

Jericho/HBK
HBK/Angle
HBK/Benoit
Benoit/Angle
Benoit/Guerrero
HBK/Guerrero
Benjamin/Benoit
Benjamin/Guerrero
Benjamin/Angle

all of these matches could be potential 5 star matches....and yes -> with the sports-entertainment aspect.
LOL I'm sure your ideas would definitely take WWE back to near 7.0 ratings. Dumbass.

[PullMyFinger]

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

I am a great spirit. You sir, have a mediocre mind.

I rest my case.
What....the....fuck....?

[PureHatred]

Right. But you're running the company the way most people run their fantasy baseball teams. I think that muhc change with that many big names all at once would alienate a lot of the viewers. Raw really hasn't been that bad recently and Smackdown needs some new starpower. But mainly both shows just need better writing.

You're idea is basically a total overhaul of the entire company. Even if its mildly entertaining, its in no way realistic.

[Truth Commission]

He's not an idiot, he's just trolling. He knows exactly what he's doing, whether or not he's Heyman.


How am I trolling? I negative repped you, since you negative repped me. I was just showing that two can play the game.


Aside from that, name one thing that I've said in this thread that was dumb?


-Ok...the "Queer as folk" comment was dumb, I'll give you that much.


Other than that, everything else I said was spot on.



RAW would be a heaven for wrestling. The sports-entertainment aspect would still be there, along with the tremendous wrestling. Furthermore, guys like London and Kidman (and other CW's) would have a much greater chance of getting over, since their wrestling styles would be far easier to integrate with the likes of Christian, Jericho, HBK, etc. Cruisers could wrestle everyone.....not just fellow cruisers.


Smackdown would see numerous dream match-ups.

[PullMyFinger]

Sorry to break it to you, but you're not some genius/"great mind" in this. You sound so confident that your idea will take WWE back to the glory days of 7.0 ratings but in reality it'll go nothing like how you imagine it.

[Truth Commission]

Right. But you're running the company the way most people run their fantasy baseball teams. I think that muhc change with that many big names all at once would alienate a lot of the viewers. Raw really hasn't been that bad recently and Smackdown needs some new starpower. But mainly both shows just need better writing.

You're idea is basically a total overhaul of the entire company. Even if its mildly entertaining, its in no way realistic.



First off....

-RAW has NOT been good the past few weeks. In my opinion (and anyone with half a brain for that matter), it's been quite pitiful. Smackdown has actually been better than RAW of late.

Secondly....

-Smackdown needs a LOT of star power. Smackdown has very limited depth, but they've done a decent job this last little while. Still they need major help.


Thirdly

-Guys like Benoit and Jericho deserve to be main-eventers. I don't care what any one of you faggots think. The very fact that Benoit and Jericho are being pissed away in the mid-cards, only proves that the WWE needs a huge overhaul. In my scenerio, Benoit and Jericho would be main-eventers.....not mid-carders.

[Truth Commission]

Sorry to break it to you, but you're not some genius/"great mind" in this. You sound so confident that your idea will take WWE back to the glory days of 7.0 ratings but in reality it'll go nothing like how you imagine it.


Tell me ONE thing.....just ONE thing.....that's wrong with my plan. You can't. Why? Because - it's perfect.


Yeah sure, it's unrealistic. That's the only criticism that can be said here.

Other than that however, my idea would greatly help BOTH shows.

-People who deserve to be main-eventers, would be main-eventers. Jericho and Benoit would no longer be receiving cum facials in the mid-cards. They would be at or near the top of RAW (along with Angle and HBK). The cruisers would (gasp!) actually get 'over' on RAW since they're wrestling styles would be far easier to integrate with the rest of the roster.


-Smackdown would have a lot of dream match-ups, while the overall quality of wrestling wouldn't be too bad.

[PullMyFinger]

:roll:

[James Steele]

I am sooooooo tempted right now...

[James Steele]

Fuck it... I have no self control

[James Steele]

Truth Commission, it has come to my attention that you have been accused of speaking pure ass. I find you guilty. Therefore I sentence you to the eternal penalty of...



SHUT UP YOU IGNORANT ASS!

[PullMyFinger]

:rofl: :rofl:

[Kane Knight]

How am I trolling? I negative repped you, since you negative repped me. I was just showing that two can play the game.
It had nothing to do with that. Stop playing clueless, it's unbecoming.

[roach21]

Basically Raw would become Smackdown and Smackdown would be Raw. Then all the Smackdown people would kill each other because of the egos and they'd have to show reruns of HHH matches in the Smackdown timeslot. Good plan.

[tucsonspeed6]

Ok, so without saying how an all smart mark based audience can draw a 7.0 rating for raw when basically the only people watching wrestling now are smart marks and the ratings rarely go over the 4.0 range, how am I supposed to believe that this plan is "perfect"?

You are thinking like a penis eating homosexual.

...

My idea is perfect....in every way. Nuff said.
This is where he started with the trolling. Now, normally I'd put some effort into cutting this guy down to size, but he really isn't worth it. His choice in words were limited to things along the line of "You're gay," and "I'm smart", which don't really do it for me when it comes to the whole trolling underworld. I give his efforts a 1.....out of 5

My idea is perfect in every way.
Once again, to reiterate his inability for creativity. A lackluster performance as a troll.

If you weren't a dipshit, then perhaps you'd understand. Unless you're watching 'Queer as Folk', all soap opera stuff have women in it. Stephanie/Angle/HHH, Lita/Matt/Kane, Jericho/Trish/Christian, Savage/Hogan/Elizabeth, are just a few examples.

Here we see an example of this fellow trying to utilize a misunderstanding of definitions to his advantage. By claiming that all love triangle storylines have women in them (DURR!) all storylines involving women must be a soap opera. Again, a lackluster performance, though I should make note of his ability to use multiple quotes in this particular post. It's clear that after only 40 posts he should not be able to achieve this kind of performance. Many trolls are lucky to find the "Topic" button on the main page. I believe that this is either an old pro who has lost his zeal for the trolling business, or a legit poster who wanted to test his hand at trolling, like the upstanding citizen who wants to experience the thrill of shoplifting just once in his life. Hmm....drama begins to add to this story. Sadly, there are no women involved. It must not be a soap.

I am a great spirit. You sir, have a mediocre mind.
Meh....I'm bored by him.

Tell me ONE thing.....just ONE thing.....that's wrong with my plan. You can't. Why? Because - it's perfect.

Ahh, here's the slim bit of entertainment in all of his posting. You see, while he was still typing his post, he asked a question and answered it. Did you guys catch that?!? Oh ho HO! You got us there TC! We wanted to answer your question, but we didn't get a chance because you answered it in the same post! WOO HOO!

Sadly, there were exactly 7 posts detailing the flaws in this "perfect plan" before this particular post.

So I guess what I'm trying to get at here is that I wish I had a catchphrase like JS does. It'd be so much easier than trying to type all of this up.

[Nowhere Man]

Remind me to push TS6 in the near future, for saying more or less exactly what I was going to say and saving me some time.

[jerichoholic169]

lol did you just mention big show v batista as a 'dream match'?!? you sir, have problems

[James Steele]

TS6, I simply am the most electrifying man in all of TPWW today. I do rely on catchphrases way too much. You are the workhorse of TPWW. You bust your ass and don't need a catchphrase. So, you and me are kind of like if Rock and Chris Benoit were a tag team.

[Kane Knight]

TS6, I simply am the most electrifying man in all of TPWW today. I do rely on catchphrases way too much. You are the workhorse of TPWW. You bust your ass and don't need a catchphrase. So, you and me are kind of like if Rock and Chris Benoit were a tag team.
Toothless agression, combined with the People's Strudle.

[James Steele]

The "Tucson Crossface" and the "Smark Bottom"

The "TSG Shooter" and the "Jackass' Elbow"

[Kane Knight]

The "Tucson Crossface" and the "Smark Bottom"

The "TSG Shooter" and the "Jackass' Elbow"
Not to mention the Diving Spambutt and the "Ignorant assbuster."

[Corkscrewed]

So, Heyman, you basically want RAW to be like SD! was a couple of years ago, and vice versa.

Funny how SD! when it was a pretty pure wrestling show only got high 3's and 4's.

Guess that throws your theory out the door.



Besides, your gimmick sucks. Regular Heyman works a lot better.